Here Today... Gone To Hell!

...by Craig Howl (or Owl)?

A DJ on KROQ said his "buddy" Craig Howl (?) created the artwork for the Chinese Democracy album. I just did a search on google and found: zip. Has anyone heard of this artist?

nop...

Craig?? :nervous: Is it darknemus? :rofl: Maybe the album cover is gonna be a riddle. :hihi:

Craig Howell.  Has done many album covers etc...  Including Godsmack, Velvet Revolver.

http://www.cheebaproductions.com/

Damn, you beat me to it.

Maybe Craig Howe? I think is a photografer

A lot of his stuff has a dark look to it...

I hope Chinese Democracy doesn't look all dark. 

Who cares what it looks like at this point. It can be flourescent pink and I'll still buy it.

I wanna see beautiful rainbows on there too.

I thought Axl has already said and showed the album cover at a concert on the first GNR go around...
Wasn't it suppose to be a bike against a wall with Guns N' Roses spray painted on it? ???

Well then, we should now know what the cover looks like now, as he has done this for gnr: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=35879.0


 : ok: : ok: : ok:

He has a pretty nice resume...

 8)

hellz to the yeah!  :yes: :yes:

this is a promising rumor :yes: he's got some nice stuff : ok:

So please y'all remember the guy with 8 posts told you!!!!!!  ;) ;) ;)

Something along those lines would make a great front cover, seems promising although it might more interesting if we knew around the time he did it. If it was 02 it's not really news, if it's this year then that's much more positive news.

That was 4 years ago (when the album should of been out) I wouldn't be at all surprised if it has changed since he previewed it at the start of 2002, infact I would be more surprised if it hadn't changed.

absolutely, this would pretty much make up for my miserable real life  :hihi:

actually you have nine posts :hihi:

and now i got 10!!! 8)

enough of this.

But I think this cover would be great (as would any ;D).

..so the b&w photo of a bike near a wall is out then. Damn!? :hihi:

Some of his stuff looks like the same style as Marilyn Manson's Antichrist Superstar album art..
(for all i know he may have made that too)  :peace:


(http://www.galeon.com/allmusic/caratulas/m/Marilyn_Manson-Antichrist_Superstar-Trasera.jpg)

Just to throw a monkey in the wrench, so to speak... :)

It's also possible the DJ was confused.  Craig did do some work for GnR (as evidenced by the other thread with the kick ass poster in it) and, perhaps, the DJ just assumed it was the album cover.

I'm just sayin.....

good point.

Well we have this guy called marilyn manson that seem to be a little confused too..

I hope this guy did artwork for CD. Man, that stuff looks great!

a.

I agree, but I'm sure if he knows Craig, he got it first hand. I assume the artists/designer would know if his work was being used for concert posters or an album cover. I'm sure there's a significant increase in $$$ if the art is used for a CD cover, rather than just a promo poster.

Again, we've had Dj's get supposed first hand information before and botch it up.  I'm not saying he's definitely wrong...but he could certainly have misunderstood what Craig was talking about and drawn his own conclusions.  I just wanted to play devils advocate and remind everyone that, by what we have to go on, there's certainly a reasonable interpretation of what we know that leaves the DJ being incorrect.

It makes sense. The poster we saw could be tied in to the album art...

Could be, but I doubt it; most of those tour posters bear no relation to the album covers by the same bands. I mean, look at the Coldplay one, or the Velvet Revolver one (if only that had been the cover to Contraband...).

SG

a huge requirement for a successful ad campaign is consistancy, that way the people will recognize what your selling, it will be very familar to them.

since we have yet to see the images in this poster anywhere else, or any theme that it would represent, than it is safe to say that this relates to the album art in some way. its the only image in the gnr campaign to be more than just the logo, so for the sake of consistancy, i think its safe to say that we are looking at a photo relative to the CD art design.

not neccesarily the cover. but i bet it will be extremely closely related to the imagery of CD.

has someone emailed this guy and asked if the rumor is true?

I just did.

I don't know. ?I think the image in the poster is certainly remenicent of the UYI covers.....it has that same sense of classical construction with a dose of modernism thrown in for juxtaposiiton (not unlike Axl, himself, I imagine). ?That "closeness" to the UYI images could be enough to maintain the consistency for advertisement for this past leg of the tour. ?It's close enough to put one in the mind of the UYI covers, but different enough to raise interest.

It could also be the back cover, or a piece from inside the lyrics book.

Or it could be just what we've seen: Art for tour promotion, etc.

looks like a bit like H.R. GIGER on afew things on there.

leave it to gnr fans to bother the shit outta people for tidbits of info :hihi:

yeah,I think we must be the most annoying fans of all :hihi:

well i wasnt saying that we were looking at a definite cover, just something related to the album art design.

i see how you could reach the UYI conclusion, but i think for to many nonfans it would be a stretch. and with anything new, movies, music, its the nonfans that you are trying to get (while trying to appease the actual fans).

For the soul of my grandfather, I swear that I will smash my head into a wall If I hear again this same old story... :rofl:

ha,

colors are a little off for his usual palette, and not sexual enough.

ofcourse im just judging the gnr poster.

I just go to his website... sorry i really don't like his style :confused:
way way? too metal and dark kind of design. GN'R is not Manowar or Cradle of Filth or MM a that kind of band. It doesn't fit with the image and the status of GN'R.? so:
1) i hope this information isn't true
2) if it is, I hope the guy designed something completely different of what's on his website.

haha...and you like nugnr because? .....

yeah I noticed ????

(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8903/cdcoverik5.jpg)

that is fucking classic :rofl: :rofl:

have to agree, his style is good but not very Gn'R. Too much photo manipulation, blur, weirdness going on in most of it.

I just asked him if there was any truth to the rumor that he was doing the artwork/cover for CD. Pretty simple really. Given he's done a poster it's not unexpected. If he replies I'll let ya all know.

Cool thanks...i was just making light of the situation...remember the Ross Halfin emails :rofl: and if he gets like 30 emails asking the same thing...just saying it could prolly get annoying :hihi: :peace:

Heard this rumor already...don't care who the artist is as long as there is something going on with it.

When the album cover is finally put online every single person on this forum is going to have it as an avatar.  :hihi:

Not GNRish style? Geez, look at the covers we got till now. If that's GNRish style, I'm lookin forward to the new era. Except the AFD-Cross, they sucked.

For those worried...don't.

IF Craig is doing the CD cover....don't worry about what you'll get by comparing it simply to what's on his site. ?I've seen some of the guys other work and he's very talented and very diverse with his style. ?He very much caters to his clients so designs stuff with their "vibe" in mind. ?It's why he's so good at what he does. ?Just look at the GnR poster....VERY different than the stuff he did for Manson, for example.

Don't put the cart before the horse and worry about what he might do...wait it out and, if it's true, comment on the final product which, I'm betting, most of you would probably like.

No, The Use Your illusion covers look great (especially the blue one - wonderfull). GN'R Lies cover looks great. Even the GH cover looks great.
The GN'R logo on a grey font kicks ass and the whole packaging was very attractive too.

Its blasphemy to even think about a cover like that, throw this guy out.

Lies is good, AFD is classic if a little plain. UYI looks good. Live Era is cool. TSI? is ok, does the job. GH is total shite!!!

did TSI need a great cover? it was hardly worth making.

I was thinking the same thing a few days ago!  :hihi: :hihi:

Hey EFISH, if you do it, you'd better get permission.  Wouldn't want to lose another karma point.

I kid, I kid! :;)

Maybe the cover will be only Axl, something like what's on the site now...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/cali_korn_chic/guns%20n%20roses%20night%201/DSC00195.jpg)

That should be the cover

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

yeah but on topic: if that poster is the cover, well something similiar to it because im sure itll be a little different.. that would be awesome! that is an extravagent piece of art right there!

I'd like to see the cover have some relevance to the title "chinese democracy".....there's no connection in that poster at all.

The Chinese dragon on the persons chest?
 :)

Nah.

I think it should be the Chinese communist with the bandana being tied around his head that says "GN'R" on it.

It's ironic, self-referential and appropriate.

Yeah, i personall hope the cover is a sterotypical chinese man walking into a voting booth

(http://images.google.com/url?q=http://everyonehasavice.com/wordpress/wp-content/axl200227rk.jpg&sig=__lhkn-LsWpy5LChQRt5HlmtTMHzQ=)

^ The most Axl-looking Axl picture from the 2002 tour.

I think that should be inside the CD pamphlet.

Why didn't he dress more like that in '02? Which concert was that?

He may look like Jack Sparrow a bit but it's cool.

(http://i11.tinypic.com/2yxht9h.jpg)


Great Cover. : ok:

awesome!

I am very impressed!  : ok: : ok:

I wish they would just dump the chinese shit already. Something unique please.

Cool pic never saw that one before.

If they dump the Chinese theme then I will lose a lot of interest in this album.

It represents something at this point.

Yeah, I'm sick of it myself. It's played itself out.

It actually represents nothing at this point. But lose interest if you wish.

back in the old days Axl always had that pirate look about him, like some scary cartoon character. I liked it, it worked ?:beer:
..as silly as it sounds, but Axl looks more like Axl when he is wearing something on his head 'bandana, cowboy hat, baseball cap, etc'

Axl without head-gear is like seeing Mickey mouse without white gloves  ;D

also, the track Chinese Democracy has become one of the (if not the) weakest track of all the new tracks. I don't think they even perform that song any more. If the track remains on CD then let's hope the studio mix has been re-worked some.

Chinese Democracy - the song - might not even be on the album. It probably won't be.

The title represents too much now for it to be tossed aside. The very tie between this album's recording progress and the idea of a Chinese democracy is important.

how can they call it CD and not have CD on there. Not unless they call it something else.

What would make you think it won't be on there?

Hope you don't mind, but this is my new background!

Yeah, you're right.

I love that song Appetite for Destruction man. Best off of AFD.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/cali_korn_chic/guns%20n%20roses%20night%201/DSC00195.jpg)

the poster does little for me. They should loose the buckethead font style.
the male looking creature with the tail has no balls and looks almost female? :peace:
also, the whole over orange/brown look does not work for me.
i'm not getting it, why the statues with tattoos?
it looks rushed, un thought though, and comes across as mish mashed?together :peace:

the song "Houses of The Holy" was not on the Led Zeppelin album of the same name, but on a later one

It's one of my favorites. Check my avatar.  : ok:

I'm sure we can put together thousands of examples.

Chinese Democracy would make a good single as a straight-ahead rocker, but I wouldn't complain if it was left off the album. IRS is better.

Ditto for Queen "Sheer Heart Attack", and AC/DC "If You Want Blood" though the AC/DC album was live.

the difference is, we all know a track called Chinese Democracy exists, and it's average compared to the other material ?;)

Gn'R should write a song called AFD. The song could chart the rise of Axl+Co. as he works his way though musician after musician on a path of *band mate destruction* while on a quest for the ultimate, while riding the back of the beast that is known only as G-n-R... .. ?. ?

somehow this pic means a lot to me (new)gnr-wise. i can`t exactely tell what it is, but i think it represents a lot (musical direction/new era-axl...)    and it looks cool like hell!!

they played chinese democracy on the last tour by the way....   i think some band members said it was their favourite song to play live : ok:  it WILL be on the album. i take bets....

Dude, get a clue.

1) I've been here for two years
2) How long someone has been on a forum does not bear any proportion to how big of a fan they are (there are plenty of GN'R fans who don't even use forums)
3) You don't even understand what I mean by "it represents something at this point" if you think I mean within the constraints of this forum

(back on topic)

here's an idea for a cover:

.a dragon, a mean looking dragon wearing a bandana. On the back of the dragon sit's all the members of Gn'R. It's a happy looking cover, like something from a fairground at night with all the light's n'stuff. That could work  : ok:

1. that's a lot of bodies on top of that poor dragon.

2. I'm not sure a "circus" atmosphere would be a wise way to go here...

Another Zeppelin song, "The Song Remains The Same" is on the album Houses of the Holy while not being on the soundtrack to the movie The Song Remains The Same.

what's wrong with a circus atmosphere.

Ah, just with all the talk of this whole thing being a joke and that the band is a circus.

So what would the chinese democracy tour stand for - ?that everything people thinks gonna happen is supressed and only whats let out is to keep the public interested. Nah!!!!

As if....

The 2002 Chinese Democracy World Tour.

are you serious?    they could use something like this as the cover for one of the following records as a joke : ok:

..bright trippy stuff can look good? :)
(http://www.sirimo.co.uk/media/fair5.jpg)

(http://212.227.92.102/img/15870/wm/pd547138.jpg)

(http://showcase.awn.com/data/555/medium/SgtPeppers.jpg)

(http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/27279/dragon1.jpg)

(http://everyonehasavice.com/wordpress/wp-content/axl200227rk.jpg)

yes, it can....   i won`t judge your idea any further since i do not know what you imagine, but from what you said, it sounded like a joke cover (which is not bad at all, but not a good idea for chinese democracy if it`s supposed to be a succes...)

..this dragon could take all the members of Gn'R with ease? 8)
(http://www.civilization.ca/mce_ccm/images/cmdra08b.jpg)

cool

yeah, the whole idea of all the band members sitting on a dragon just seems as if it would present a joke

as for the dragon with a bandana, that actually sounds pretty slick and just the simple cover like that would be kinda cool imo

that axl photo is by george chin, and should be edited out by everyone who quoted it :hihi: seriously though he doesnt want his pictures posted online

George Chin, right?

This is true. Jarmo had deleted a previous thread with this picture. Please remove them.

The poster art feels like the album cover : it matches in with the epic painting style used on the original AFD, and two UYI sets.

Epic painting style used on AFD? the rape scene? hardly epic  :peace:

If that robot was bearing down on YOU it'd look pretty damn big...

happened to me once.

just wanna ask, anyone have the image of the guy with the gas mask, i think it is a tour shirt in 2002  :peace:

Don't recall that one?

Erm look at your avatar : ok:

Am I missing George Chin in his avatar?  ??? Looks like a picture of Axl to me.

Maybe I'm George Chin? ?: ok:

Just to let you guys know:

Craig was not aware of what was said on K-ROQ, but he has been getting a lot of mail about it. If he says anything else I'll let you know. Seems like a cool guy. I'm actually hoping there's some truth to this rumor, if the cover tied in to that poster...

Osaka and one of the other two SummerSonic gigs in 2002, I believe.

161109657]
(http://images.google.com/url?q=http://everyonehasavice.com/wordpress/wp-content/axl200227rk.jpg&sig=__lhkn-LsWpy5LChQRt5HlmtTMHzQ=)

That's actually a pretty cool Axl photo from 2002.
I thought he looked bad with all the crap he was wearing back then, but he looks pretty badass there.

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l313/Cleopatra2U/GNR/Axl2002d.jpg)
def the best image of Axl since the comeback. Love the style.