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VELVET REVOLVER To Perform For NISSAN LIVE SET - Apr. 19, 2007?
 
VELVET REVOLVER will play on April 27 at West Los Angeles, CA for Nissan Live Sets. The first 200 people who e-mail Invites@YahooLiveSets.com will get in the door for this exclusive taping. Plus they get to bring a friend. Please e-mail them your name, your location, and tell them how much you love VELVET REVOLVER. This will be broadcasted on Yahoo! with exclusive pictures.

source: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=70828
 
 

Looks like a pretty sweet deal, too bad I'm not in the states

I emailed them yesterday when i saw it at velvet-revolver.com, hopefully i got in.

same here

Excellet, thankz.

HBK *

i got in the event, gonna go with my cousin   ;D :peace:

Thats awesome man, how did u find out you got in? did they email you?

yeah they emailed me saying

"Congratulations!
 
Yahoo! Music and RCA Records have chosen you and a
guest to attend an exclusive taping of Velvet Revolver
for Nissan Live Sets On Yahoo! Music."

Looks like i didnt get in then, oh well, they're comming here soon anyways. have fun dude.

maybe you'll get an invite later on

YESSS I'm so stoaked!!!!! I got this emailed to me today! ;D

Congratulations!

Yahoo! Music and RCA Records have chosen you and a
guest to attend an exclusive taping of Velvet Revolver
for Nissan Live Sets On Yahoo! Music.

READ CAREFULLY
...

 Looks like I'm going after all  :peace:

Have a great time today, let us know how it was? : ok:

Hell yea. :smoking:

Congrats to you guys who got in. :beer:

Setlist

Let it Roll *NEW SONG*
Do it for the kids
Sucker train Blues

Q & A

The Last Fight *NEW SONG*
She's Mine *NEW SONG*
Fall to Pieces

Q & A

Get out the door *NEW SONG*
She Builds Quick Machines *NEW SONG*
Slither

after the show ended, the band minus Scott had to come back on stage and re shoot the solo for fall to pieces as i believe they forgot to record slash's solo
 

and tonight was the first time "The Last Fight" song was played

       I just got back form the show about a half hour ago and I'm still pumped. They only played 9 songs but it definately felt like a satasfying show and as w.axl.rose said they debuted Last Fight tonight, which was amazing by the way and had a great Slash solo. Quick Machines sounded 10x bettter than the recordings we've had from the South American gigs, after hearing it tonight I have a completely different opinion of it since it kicked way more ass, and I actually feel it will be a strong track on the album. Get out the Door was awesome, pretty much everything live sounded a shit load better than what we've heard  from the boots. Let it Roll was fucking sick and great opener and She Mine was sweet. Before the show I did a small Q&A thing with the guys filming  and by the end of the night I ened up with two of Slash's picks. Overall it was just amazing I was able to be there and I'm still pumped and star struck from the band. Right now I  truely belicve VR are the best real rock n roll band out right now.

I'll have a review up later, I'm super tired.

Great set-list!!!!  I die to hear/watch something. Why did they filmed? are they goin' to release it?

Because so many bands are now trying to get people to buy (as oppose to download) their albums, they usually include extras to help persuade the costumer. I wouldn't be surprised if this recent show was filmed in order to fulfill that intent (possibly for a DVD 5.1 version).

It would be great

Yahoo is going to broadcast it on their website, thats what they've done in the past and what they said last night.

then i hope someone will record it........

^ when yahoo puts up the video you'll be able to watch it when ever you want

ill be up on music.yahoo.com/nissanlivesets/

OK, here's my review.

So we get to FOX Studios at about 5:30.  We took a shuttle up to where the taping was going to be.  So once we get there, we wait in line to get our passes and to go into another line.  So we wait some more.  There's a camera crew there taping us.  They tell us to scream and to make noise....how natural.  They ask some fans to go on-camera and tell the world how much they love Velvet Revolver.  No one could come up with anything!  This drunk guy compared Scott Weiland with Jim Morrison.  There were a lot of old people there.

So we go and wait some more.  Finally after standing around for an hour, we are lead into the studio.  It's super small and intimate.  But it was already packed, so this guy from Yahoo asks us if we wanna go watch the show on the platform behind the stage.  We we're all up for it!  So we're right above the stage, it was so cool.  It was nice watching the inner workings of a rock n' roll band.

While we were waiting, the people from Nissan and Yahoo were telling us how to act.  ::)  How lame.  Everything had to be scripted.  It's a rock show for Chrissake, they treated it like a taping for a sitcom.

So after all that, we look over to the right and here come the boys.  Slash was wearing his tophat, and had a pack of Parliaments clutched in his hand.  I kept looking over at Duff's roadie, I really wanted to hear him say, "HOLLYWOOOOOOD!  You wanted the best, well they didn't fucking make it!"  I guess Yahoo didn't want any bad words included.  :hihi:

As for the performance, I hated how after 3 songs, they had to stop and take questions.  It was a real momentum killer.  And then they complain about GN'R having solos for guitarists.  Scott kept rambling on about how the world is changing, the war, etc etc.....and every other word was, "Uhhhhhhhh."  And the microphones kept fucking up.  Lots of audio issues.

The crowd was so anti-Axl.  Everytime his name was mentioned, the crowd booo'd.  When the mics weren't working, some guy yelled, "Do an Axl!" and Scott was like, should I just smash all the mics?  ::)  Ya know, since Axl is always smashing mics.  :o

There were some funny moments.  During the Q&A session, someone asked Slash how he manages to play so well, smoke, breathe, and be "so fucking badass" all at the same time.  Slash had a simple answer.  "Practice."  I wish Scott had kept it short and sweet too.

After the show ended, Scott Weiland shook my hand!  :rofl:  How ironic eh?  He left some glitter in my hand.  :nervous:  Slash and Duff are pretty stuck-up.  :-\

I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff.  But that's it in a nutshell.  This band is so artificial.  All they talk about and brag about are their "checkered past's."  What a super-dangerous band!

Give me the Axl Rose band anyday.  Even though they're not a real rock n' roll band, right?

P.S. Matt has a bald spot.  :o

^nice review garry :hihi: : ok:


ok, thanks :beer:

Why are you complaining you had to know it would be like that...


Eh yeah I'm sure every VR show is like that, gimme a break...


Funny how your review is like a 180 from every other review I read about last night, looks like someone has a grudge...

Why are you complaining so much about a free tapping of concert you got to attend? Try to pay more attention to the things you liked about it instead of blowing up every small and insignificant thing that pissed you off, it'll make it a bit more enjoyable.

Garry I disagree with your review almost 100%? It was an awesome show and different from your typical rock concert.? ?The promotion people may have acted a bit lame but I don't think that has anything to do with VR.? ?I figured Scott said he should smash all the mics cuz the sound was fucking up a bit?? And seeing as you didn't pay for it I don't see why you are complaining.  You must not be much of a fan of them.

Garry, you're a cockwipe.

I like to keep things short and sweet, too.  :hihi:

Name calling = not cool.

Great review Garry.........knowing you, you got bored and went downstairs for dinner ::) hehehe :-*

It's very cool.  :yes:

Garry fucking rules. Enough said. Saw 3 GN'R shows with that guy. If he said VR wasn't that great it's his opinion... (and a fact.)  :hihi:

Going to a Nissan live set and complaining about there being a QnA in-between songs is like going to a McDonalds and complaining that they only sell hamburgers. I mean, ffs, how does this bloke manage to breath?

They had to mention Axl.....

 :rofl:




/jarmo

Thank you for the review Garry.

How wouldn't they??? It's like Pink Floyd not talking about Roger Waters...

Garry - if you don't like the band, then why did you go to this? 

Nobody from the band mentioned Axl, the crowd did...

The band was too busy playing a set comprised entirely of their own material.  :beer:

Can't wait for the video of This Fight.  :drool:

Still.... It was full of VR fans who won tickets for free.




/jarmo

It's inevitable either way, I would expect Slash gets a mention by fans at any and every GNR/Axl related event as well.

Apparently not, according to Jarmo. 

I?m glad u like the show  : ok:. How did u get slash?s picks??

Booker, Booker, Booker.....

There's a difference of having a show full with contest winners that's being taped to be streamed and an arena show filled with people who paid to get in.


People yelling "Slash!" at a GN'R show is different to some guy yelling "do an Axl".....



They had to try to put down Axl at a VR show.  :hihi:

Now, if people were yelling "Slash is a liar!" at GN'R shows, then you'd have a point.....




/jarmo

As far as I can tell, both shows attract fans, so what is the difference and why is it relevant to your point?   


In your first post, you said "They had to mention Axl."  Who is "they?"


People have yelled that, incidentally - people on the stage holding a microphone.  I hate pointing it out again, but your response wasnt quite similar.  Weilands minor lyrical changes to "Its So Easy" earned your negative attention, but I cant recall seeing any similar reaction to Axls changes to "Knockin On Heavens Door," for example.

their both the same thing. People go to shows and some yell out stupid shit.

im not vietnow138, but Slash, Duff and Dave kept throwing picks to the fans during the whole show. and in the end they threw a couple more, as well for Matt he was giving away drum sticks

god who cares? this is all just pointless...  ::)

If you actually thought about it, maybe you'd get it?


Which one is more likely to have a bunch of guys out having a few beers and hearing that hit song:

A: An arena that holds 10000-20000 people, you could buy tickets to it and it was probably advertised.
B. A studio that holds a few hundred, it was a contest and the contest e-mail was mentioned on the band's site and fan sites.

Bonus question: Which one of those is more likely to include people who think they're "amusing"?



Not us. They.

The people at the show.

Either the crowd, the band or other people present at the location at the time. They.





What's Weiland's improv got to do with this?

Please explain.


Maybe you never were a GN'R fan to begin with so you can't relate. But It's So Easy is a song I grew up with. Knockin' On Heaven's Door wasn't.

If somebody changed the taste of your favorite soda that you've been drinking for 15 years (or however old you are) or if they changed the taste of something you only tried once, which one would you notice first?




Yes, Axl has said things about Slash. Axl was in a band with him. Did you already forget?

We're not talking about Duff or Slash talking about Axl here are?



I was pointing out how somebody/some people witnessing a special invitation only VR show had to mention Axl in a negative way.

I didn't hear people yelling for Slash at the acoustic GN'R gig in London last summer. It was a memorable amazing early morning.

Maybe VR fans are thinking about Axl all the time for some reason......



So you don't think the comment was out of place?

Wouldn't you feel annoyed if you were there trying to enjoy the show and some guy was yelling "Axl!"?


Your constant need to try to prove I'm biased is lame. Of course I'm biased, I'm a GN'R fan.  : ok:







/jarmo

Wow.  It's amazing to see how my review got people upset.  I'm just telling it like it is.  Not once did I say anything bad about the band itself, or the performance.  (When they were actually performing, that is)

But you must have interpreted my disdain for the NISSAN/YAHOO! people for something else. 

Lynn- It has nothing to do about liking or not liking the band.  A friend of mine wanted to enter the drawing, and she asked me if I would go with her if she won.  And once you give them your name, you can't take anyone else.  But still, we went and had a really good time, that's all that matters to me.  It was a good experience, and I went in with an open mind.  Never did I say that the new songs sucked, or that the performance was terrible.  But you guys took it upon yourselves to imply that, because maybe deep down inside, you know that Velvet Revolver is a hopeless cause.

Grouse- Slash and Duff have achieved a lot musically.  Why would I have a grudge against them?  :hihi:  I don't know them, and I don't have lunch with them once a week.  But they've always come off that way whenever I spot them.  Especially Duff.  But that's just a personal observation on what they're like.  It has NOTHING to do with Libertad. 

After the show I asked Adam Day, Slash's guitar tech., for a pick since there were a few left over form the show and he handed me 4 so i gave two to my friend and kept the other two.

? ? Well in your review you seemed to only talk and emphasize on the things you didn't like about the show rather than what you enjoyed about it, making you seem ungreatfull for getting to experiance a free tapping of a show and posting it for the sole purpose just to put down the event that everyone besides you seemed to enjoy. From what you wrote above it looks like there was a lot that you did like so your review gave a bad impression of how you felt.

? ? ?As far as the some random guy in the crowd yelling "do an axl!" you guys are making a waaay bigger deal than it needs to be. Durring the Q&A thing there were problems with the microphones so for a couple of minutes the band was just waiting on stage for crew to get their shit together. Durring this time people in the crowd were yelling out things to band (like "why do you guys so badass?!?!"), just having a good time, the one person in the crowd who said "do an axl" was in no way trying to put down axl IMO. Even if he was who cares what some random douchebag said, it was just one person not the whole audience.

I fail to see why this matters.  It appears youd like to think that VR fans (and one review posted here proves that some, in fact, werent) are obsessed with Axl while those who yell about Slash at GNR shows are different because you assume theyre not really fans.  Am I close?

Do you think its possible that each event has a majority of dedicated fans, as well as some less-dedicated fans?  Garry, who believes that VR is a hopeless cause ("Not once did I say anything bad about the band itself"), went because a friend had a free ticket.  So it turns out that it is possible for VR non-fans to attend these shows, isnt it? 



If you dont know who youre talking about, how should I?  Youve come up with an unfounded, puzzling distinction between GNR and VR fans based on your own bias - Ive addressed that.  To include VR itself in the vague "they," are you implying that they mention Axl at every show?



Just observing that you seem to feel differently about things when its VR as opposed to another band. 



So somebody who grew up with "Knockin On Heavens Door" should have the same negative reaction to Axls changes as you do to Weilands, right?


So one fan yelling something about Axl at one show is now the rule?  Or has this happened at other very small VR shows, of which theres been several?l


No, Im a VR fan - we think about Axl all of the time and yell his name at every show apparently.


I think your constant need to demonstrate this bias, particularly as of late, is just as lame.  Youre a GNR fan with a bias against the guys who wrote the songs with which you grew up.  Yet you get defensive when people point out the simple fact that you dont like VR:

You can now continue with the "Gee, what did I say?" act.

Oh Booker, give it a rest.  Again, I ask you.  Does that statement have ANYTHING to do with their performance Friday night?

Booker loves to argue and fails to answer the questions.


Garry, even though he's not worshiping the ground Weiland walks on, didn't yell for Axl at the show. He didn't go there to yell "VR sucks! Axl rocks!".




I'll tell you something else Booker, since you fail to see the obvious difference:

Screaming for Slash at a GN'R show is disrespectful towards the band. People who do that want to stir shit up.

Screaming "do an Axl" at a VR show isn't disrespectful towards VR since the guy was trying to be funny at Axl's expense.

Now dance around that like you usually do.





/jarmo

Youre not very good at semantic technicalities, so you should probably give them a rest.

Telling that you interpreted "This band is so artifical" and "Velvet Revolver is a hopeless cause" as "not worshipping the ground Weiland walks on."  Its a very understanding interpretation.

And the point is that a limited-attendance, free concert doesnt mean its full of true fans.


First it was the mere fact that "they" had mentioned Axl (inevitably signaling obsesssion); now its the impoliteness of the mention.  Youll have to excuse me if I dont follow your reasoning, it seems to evolve from post to post.


You didnt ask one question in this post - what would I dance around? 

You didnt answer my questions, either, so I guess Im not alone.

For the people who were there what did you think of Last Fight?

Still.... It was full of VR fans who won tickets for free.

/jarmo

LOL, is this for real?

I also find it "amusing" that Garry's review of the show stands, whereas my review of GN'R where I mentioned that the crowd in the upper bowl filing out on the last 3-4 songs killed the energy gets deleted in an instant (despite my complimenting the band playing well)... Honestly, why do you still have a VR section on this board?  How bitter do you think you look by keeping this section here and trashing them in every thread?  Delete the fucking section already!

You seem to really take this GnR vs VR thing very personal, don't you?

You almost seem like someone who feels a little depressed when his favorite artist gets attacked. As if your feelings are hurt when someone treats Axl unfair.? :hihi:

It's unfair, they are big and I am small.
(http://xafarica.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/calimero.jpg)

Booker, you're quoting and breaking down the post line by line, but I've yet to see you address whether or not the Axl mention at this show was necessary.

You say it happens, but you didn't say if you think it was stupid or if you actually thought it was the coolest thing.


Also, you didn't comment on whether or not it's a different thing, to go to a show and put down the band on stage by yelling for former members, than to put down a person to make the band on stage look better.





/jarmo

I don?t understand why now, since VR started touring, all VR threads end up like this... people discussing things so off-topic and pointless instead of discussing what really matters... the shows, the new songs... seems to me that some guys ain?t too happy with their favourite band and come here to start stupid discussions as this one. Cmon this ain?t quite fair cos if we do the same in the GnR boards either the posts get deleted or people get negative karma... I just don?t fucking understand why we can?t all get along instead of creating bad environment here on the boards...  ::)

You avoid every question asked yet again, yet Im dancing around.

I think it is stupid.  And unlike you, I think it is a bit disrespectful to VR.  Yelling about the singer from the members former band isnt something the band wants.  I also dont know if the comment is as disrespectful to Axl as youre making it seem; if the guy meant "doing an Axl" meant slamming down a non-working microphone, its hardly a scathing putdown.  But maybe he meant something different.

I think its more stupid to go to a new GNR show and yell for Slash...but Im not sure why youve suddenly made whether or not I believe its stupid the issue.  My issue is your negative characterization of the band and its fans based on this.  Had you simply said "That was a stupid thing to do," you wouldnt have gotten a response from me.  But youve yet again used it as an opportunity to make a muted attack on VR.


The difference is obviously inherent, but both are obnoxious and both can be made at shows comprised of faithful and casual fans - I still dont see any meaningful difference or the relevance of the inherent one.

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :P :P :P

This whole thread has gotten out of hand.......let's all fight about whether Gnr or VR is better or Scott or Axl and blah, blah, blah........who cares? 

Booker,
Jarmo now tows the line along with the rest of the GNR alumni; everybody has a price and the GNR management could easily afford Jarmo and his site. He falls in with the rest of the troops whose mantra remains for GNR  ?no bad here folks, so move along?.

In very simple terms, if anyone believes a group of talented and accomplished musicians is happy to write and record music for one album for six to seven years just to see it constantly sidelined, held back or shelved due to the legal and mental issues of its paymaster is frankly deluded. I feel Jarmo has been ordered to ensure the GNR news stays good and the niggling issue of the dilution of the new GNR imprint by the continued existence of VR is addressed by mocking their music and their fans and trivialising their achievements to date.

I admire your willingness to try to highlight HTGTH?s approach to freedom of expression and open forum discussions but I feel you are wasting your time. I am personally very disappointed in Jarmo?s juvenile beatings? about VR, they are a huge drop in standards for him and almost unrecognisable in their childish venom and complete absence of any obvious value.  Where once he hemmed in the more idiotic and extreme posters he has become one, never failing to take that cheap shot when the oppertunity presents itself.

Then again, what do we know about the pressures he may be under from his new bosses. We have our freedom to speak and express opinions, sadly for Jarmo, I think he sold his.

Intercourse.

I couldn?t have said it better.  ;)

 : ok:

that is a very good point

Unfortunately since you're hiding behind an anonymous username, I can't do anything other than to assume you know shit about what I do. I suspect that's pretty close to the truth.

Just like every other VR fan you think I'm not allowed to voice my opinion because I don't buy the VR "image".


But when Scott Weiland opens his mouth about Axl/GN'R, that's just fine and I should post it on a Guns N' Roses site!


Nothing you say makes any sense if you know the truth, but to you VR fans it's always the easiest to blame "the GN'R management".

While VR was busy fighting among themselves and trying to get ready to record Libertad, GN'R was active. Then when VR is ready to start patting their own back, I just didn't care anymore. We had GN'R.



If I wanted to badmouth VR, I could've posted about how Scott got his clothes torched by his wife in big bold letters and post about how Slash wants to be back in GN'R instead of wasting his time with VR.

That's what the headlines said, GN'R was gonna re-unite because that's what Slash wants!


In case you haven't noticed, I'm not the only one who got tired of VR.





/jarmo

Your opening salvo exemplifies to the letter why I am and now remain so disappointed in you. Rather than get into it, I?ll stick with the facts:

Unfortunately since you're hiding behind an anonymous username, I can't do anything other than to assume you know shit about what I do. I suspect that's pretty close to the truth.

Fact 1:
My username is not any attempt to hide anything, as a registered member of HTGTH you have my email address which contains my name so feel free to call me out. Your team has mailed me before so please feel free to do so. What do you think I?m hiding from anyway?

Fact 2:
You?re right; I know shit about what you do. But I do know your forum has lost tons of credibility lately because it has been perceived as having the GNR ?management filter? placed on you and the traffic you govern. Many posters have complained of having mails that contained valid criticisms of Axl and the new GNR rapidly deleted while any material derogatory or scathing of VR is kept pride of place.

Just like every other VR fan you think I'm not allowed to voice my opinion because I don't buy the VR "image".

Fact 3:
Regarding me thinking you are not allowed voice your opinion, that?s just wrong.
My point is that you?ve moved down from issuing well formed opinion and discussion to name calling and sneering which frankly doesn?t suit you. I don?t mind that you don?t buy the VR image, neither do I in many ways.
You appear to use the VR section as a dumping ground for any type of derogatory comment on the band you can muster. That was not you in the past. Many have commented on the change in tone of your output which incidentally started around the time you were supposed to have started working with Axl?s people.? People are putting two and two together...


?But when Scott Weiland opens his mouth about Axl/GN'R, that's just fine and I should post it on a Guns N' Roses site!?

Why not? Forums are supposed to be open houses for discussion. By banning people from issuing news like this you?re just adding to the speculation that you no longer control your own site.

Nothing you say makes any sense if you know the truth, but to you VR fans it's always the easiest to blame "the GN'R management".

Of course I?m making sense, you delete mails that issue valid criticisms of GNR and keep all criticism of VR on show. Many have pointed this out. This only started when you were directly aligned to GNR management. Disagree with me and the many other fans who have been here for years if you like. Plus you call us ?VR fans?,? what were we when we came here and contributed before VR even existed??

While VR was busy fighting among themselves and trying to get ready to record Libertad, GN'R was active.
Fact 4
Yeah, playing twenty year old songs that only one of them had a hand in writing. I could join a pub band and do that next Saturday.
Count how many gigs VR have done since their creation and put that against GNRs output for the last 13 years and we?ll talk again.


?Then when VR is ready to start patting their own back, I just didn't care anymore. We had GN'R.?

Good for you. You had a cover band who played FOUR songs that took them 6 years to air in public. I agree that when they played their own material you had a great band alright. Still, that was about 20 minutes of original material out of a two hour set of nostalgia covers. What ever keeps you happy I suppose.


?If I wanted to badmouth VR, I could've posted about how Scott got his clothes torched by his wife in big bold letters and post about how Slash wants to be back in GN'R instead of wasting his time with VR.?
Again, your new bitchy persona at it?s best because this has nothing to do with my argument with you. It's not even worth addressing. It?s too depressing and reminds me of Dave at his fanatical best (worst).


That's what the headlines said, GN'R was gonna re-unite because that's what Slash wants!

What headlines? Where?


In case you haven't noticed, I'm not the only one who got tired of VR.

Then get rid of this section. You probably won?t because it?s probably all that keeps people coming here. We are into May and still no CD, there?s not much to talk about is there except more nostalgia gigs under the banner of an album that has no release date, fucking bizarre.

VR while not appearing to be giving us the next AFD, are producing material, recording it, releasing it and functioning like a live organic band. All members are very honest about their in-fighting, egos and marriage troubles. All the poor bastards in GNR can say is 'everything is GREAT' when frankly it obviously isn't.

Based off the few new songs I have been rocking out too, I am now thinking that they are meeting the hype.  SBQM has turned into a bad ass song and Let It Roll reminds me of "Rocks Off or Rip this Joint"  both from the stones, both off of Exile on Main Street.  Funny huh.  I think VR's fan base will only grow with this new album!  I am so excited, can't wait to see video from this clip.

And thats essentially what youve done, as you changed the title of a thread created by somebody else to draw attention to that event and have since mentioned it in unrelated threads several times.  So is bringing it up again in this one supposed to be clever? 
 

Most of us have been noticing it since at least 2004, when you were subtler about it and apparently disingenuous enough to argue otherwise. 


Your negativity in this section is certainly nothing new, but its now underlined with more bitterness and a seeming determination to spoil otherwise positive discussions.  Ive pointed out before that I find this attitude odd coming from somebody who detests negativity in the GNR section.  Your response as I interpreted it - that this is a GNR site and the VR section is essentially a place for GNR fans to criticize Scott Weiland, Slash and Matt Sorum - is as specious as some of the other arguments youve been making in this section.  And it makes me wonder why you bother participating in it.  Yes, youre free to say what you want - thats not the issue.  The issue is why.  If you dont care about this band; and theres so many great things going on with GNR; and youve made your point countless times; and you know that your incessant negativity just leads to these discussuions that eventually get threads locked; why not just ignore it?  Youve already implied that you often ignore this section, so why bother posting in it?  Why not focus on all of the positive GNR things that are going on?

And why try to childishly divide this sites members when its "VR fans" are also fans of GNR, past and present?  Is a fan of the new GNR and VR a villianous "VR fan" by virtue of liking that band as well?

Why do I participate?

Because two-three VR fans keep bringing up "points" about the site that make no fucking sense.

I get questioned why I do things and even after I tell the truth, some of these clowns keep making up their own stories which are based on their own imagination.

Because I see a band saying one thing and then letting their record company do whatever they want.

The same fans who drool over VR being a "real rock n' roll band" are upset because Axl won't go on stage at 9PM pr because they won't replace Tommy while he's injured.

I know for a fact now that many of you posting here are not interested in GN'R at all. I don't see you taking part in any GN'R discussions unless it's about a cancellation or other negative news.


I get blamed for bringing GN'R into the discussions but the truth is, I point out something about this band that makes no sense to me and one of you will say "at least they don't add computer beeps to their songs" or "at least they release albums". Taking cheap shots at GN'R on a GN'R message board to make your favorite band seem that much better.


Booker can't handle the fact that I criticize VR. I guess because we don't allow GN'R bashing, we shouldn't allow anybody say anything bad about VR.

I don't understand why since this is a Guns N' Roses message board for Guns N' Roses fans.

Nobody has criticized VR the way some of you post about GN'R.


Believe me Booker, I could start posting a lot more in this section if I wanted to. There's a lot of things I could whine about regarding this band if I really wanted to.

But I don't bother, I just laugh at your stubborn theories about me and why I do the things I do.




/jarmo

Can you make a list of those that participate on both sides and have nice things to say about both bands Jarmo?

I will start the list with my name,

Smoking Guns

Thats why you were compelled to change a threads title to draw attention to Weilands wife burning his clothes?  Thats why youve repeatedly criticized them for their intro?  Thats your explanation for the countless negative comments youve made on here?  Because two or three people make points about the website with which you dont agree? 


So by that logic, you are interested in VR?  Or do you only take part in a discussion when theres bad news or something to criticize (which is nearly everything as far as youre concerned)?


Negativity breeds negativity.  This is your board, but you seem to be the only one who fails to recognize that, despite your idyllic vision of a section in which new GNR fans disrespect Scott Weiland, an overwhelming percentage of this sections participants are fans of VR and engage in positive discussion.  You want it to be different - as you said, you view it not as a section for VR fans, but GNR fans...who presumably arent VR fans - so you make nothing but negative posts.  I dont think taking shots at GNR or Axl to defend VR is a fair thing to do, but I do think that youve been on these boards long enough to know what will bait people into doing so. 


I cant?  Then we disagree - I think I handle it just fine. 

Would your logic then suggest that you cant handle criticism - of yourself, your site, Axl, GNR?  What do you think is the difference?


Are people allowed to say anything bad about GNR in that section? 


No?  I could cite some pretty harsh posts if youd like to see them?  There was even a thread titled "Boycott Contraband." 


Why would you do that? 


You said you "dislike" them (which I thought signified the opposite in the context of sarcasm) and saw them five times. 


If thats what you just did, we wouldnt be having this discussion.  Unfortunately, you do bother.  You bother often. 

Good post Booker  ;D

Now can we stop this childish debate ? ::) For god's sake, please please VR haters stay out of this section (like GNR haters please stop whining in gnr section)

The new songs fuckin rock so haters please don't try to waste Libertad release ::)

I was thinking the exact same thing, would be nice to see who the big boss deems worthy of that list...

Who do you like better, your father or your mother? Com'on, tell me, you got to choose, you CAN'T love both of them ... :-\

Why can't people critique GNR in the GNR section?? Not being able to do that appears to be very insecure, especially when it is fair game to flame on another band all day.? You shouldn't talk about others the way you don't want them talking about you Jarmo.? Or anyone for that mather.? I am okay with people saying they don't like something from VR, like Jim Bob.? He doesn't bother me, and he is mainly negative to VR, but atleast he will listen to the song and give an honest opinion.? Something Jarmo can't do with GNR and can only do with VR when its seems to be a negative opinion.

Good things Jarmo generally says about VR,

They had "fun" shows during their first album.

Do It For the Kids is one of their better songs.

Slither is their best song.

That sums up all the positive Jarmo will generally say about VR.

wats their to talk about guns n roses theres no news really and no new songs or album so wat can we talk about?

i never quite understood that either.....good question ;D ???

That Karma thing is the most childish, undemocratic and utterly pointless thing I have ever witnessed on a forum.
The definition of as forum is "a medium? in which the public may debate an issue or express opinions", except when you are here of course. Kind of reminds me of when Axl wanted the press to sign over articles about GNR to him for some critiquing before they were printed back in the day.

If you happen to witness people leaving a GNR gig before the end of the set and mention it here,? you're breaking the rules of this forum and your opinion disappears. If you come on and make fun of? Scott's wife's physcological problems you'll probably get a few of these? : ok: or these? :hihi:.

And just to clarify before the sheep start bleating; I went to see the new GNR in Dublin and I enjoyed them a lot, they seem like a decent bunch of guys and they played well. I was glad to see Axl in good form and he sang brilliantly. I am rooting for him, I really am.

My two gripes are:

Mocking VR and lauding GNR and visa versa;? both parties should be open to valid opinions either positive or negative.

Karma marks? = the end of free speech here. It's been ten years of hard work by Jarmo building a forum only for him to loose sight of what the true essence of a forum really is.

When is this thing going to finally be put up on the site?

According to the yahoo live sets home page VR's show is going to up July 1

Its up now!! although its not on the main page yet you can find it here: http://music.yahoo.com/ar-308718-videos--Velvet-Revolver

Credit goes to OhTheHorror from the velvet-revolver.com forum for finding the link!

enjoy!