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Title: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on July 15, 2007, 11:49:03 AM
Well since we have a thread dedicated to UFC i felt we needed one for the rest of the MMA world.  I make a point of watching as much MMA stuff as i can and watched PRIDE until it's final days.  Now i make a point of watching Elite XC/StrikeForce, K-1, BoDogFight and Cage Rage who get coverage on Sky channel TWCFight! and who have got themselves a deal with Sky Sports.  Now we all know UFC is #1 but variety is the spice of life and there are some really entertaining things in these other companies.  Brock Lesnar's debut (Which was a complete mis-match), the entertaining scrap between Baroni & Shamrock and Cage Rage's penchant for getting watched up stars for us Brits to demolish.  CR has had plenty of big names, Anderson Silva was a champion there, Mark Kerr, Tank Abbott, Butterbean, Vitor Belfort have/are active stars of the group.  Last night was CR22 - Hard As Hell and it was damn fun.  Herb Dean (UFC Referee) had his last ever MMA fight and after dominating the first round lose due to losing the sight in one of his eyes.  Butterbean got stopped after nailing a vicious shot, he failed to finish the fight and lost to ground and pound.  James Thompson got knocked out cold in 10 seconds in hilarious fashion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKlHMkcQ61A), his opponent, a farmer in only his 3rd MMA fight was a last minute replacement (2 days notice...) for Cabbage.  It was a fun event, obviously the class difference in fighters is clear to be seen but this stuff is great entertainment and Dave and Andy the presenters/people who run it are so much fun....great stuff! Cage Rage 22 Highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjQpWatmbrE


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on July 15, 2007, 04:15:39 PM
Well since we have a thread dedicated to UFC i felt we needed one for the rest of the MMA world.? I make a point of watching as much MMA stuff as i can and watched PRIDE until it's final days.? Now i make a point of watching Elite XC/StrikeForce, K-1, BoDogFight and Cage Rage who get coverage on Sky channel TWCFight! and who have got themselves a deal with Sky Sports.? Now we all know UFC is #1 but variety is the spice of life and there are some really entertaining things in these other companies.? Brock Lesnar's debut (Which was a complete mis-match), the entertaining scrap between Baroni & Shamrock and Cage Rage's penchant for getting watched up stars for us Brits to demolish.? CR has had plenty of big names, Anderson Silva was a champion there, Mark Kerr, Tank Abbott, Butterbean, Vitor Belfort have/are active stars of the group.? Last night was CR22 - Hard As Hell and it was damn fun.? Herb Dean (UFC Referee) had his last ever MMA fight and after dominating the first round lose due to losing the sight in one of his eyes.? Butterbean got stopped after nailing a vicious shot, he failed to finish the fight and lost to ground and pound.? James Thompson got knocked out cold in 10 seconds in hilarious fashion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKlHMkcQ61A), his opponent, a farmer in only his 3rd MMA fight was a last minute replacement (2 days notice...) for Cabbage.? It was a fun event, obviously the class difference in fighters is clear to be seen but this stuff is great entertainment and Dave and Andy the presenters/people who run it are so much fun....great stuff! Cage Rage 22 Highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjQpWatmbrE

I can't wait for the next EliteXC card another guy from my hometown (I am starting to wonder why I didn't see more fights) is making his debut.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on July 17, 2007, 01:44:20 AM
I really like the TapOuT show

U need to Torrent some episodes.

The guys who own TapOuT go and find new fighters and take them to a fight and if they do good they sponsor them


Its a cool show.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on July 17, 2007, 12:11:14 PM
I love the Tapout show, you really get a feel for exactly what these guys go thru prior to a fight. Sure the Ultimate Fighter gives you a look at training and weight cutting, but this gives you a really good look at the behind the scenes things that go on durring a small show. It also give you a look at the non-UFC business end of things.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on September 25, 2007, 05:11:30 PM
The following is the current fight card for the December 1st-scheduled Cage Rage 24 "Feel The Pain" show scheduled to emanate from the Wembley Arena in London, England:

-Abdul Mohammed vs. Robbie Oliver
-Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos vs. Paul Cahoon
-James McSweeney vs. Robert Paczkow
-Neil Grove vs. Robert Berry
-Mark Epstein vs. Tom Watson
-Ross Pointon vs. Marios Zaromskis
-Brad Pickett vs. Ronnie Mann


There is also a rumour that "Krazy Horse" Charles Bennett may make it on the card to.  Main interest for me would be Grove vs Berry, 2 very heavy hitters, Grove is a monster, he's won his last few fights and demolished James Thompson in mere seconds (Although he's kind of joining a list of "Who hasn't?" in that respect..)


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on October 25, 2007, 10:12:10 AM
The following is the final official fight card for the October 28th-scheduled K-1 HERO's MMA show from Seoul, South Korea:

-Denis Kang vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama
-Carlos Newton vs. Shungo Oyama
-Marcelo Garcia vs. Dae Won Kim
-Zelg Galesic vs. Taiei Kin
-Yoon Dong Sik vs. Fabio Silva
-Ikuhisa Minowa vs. Min Soo Kim
-Yoshihisa Yamamoto vs. Tae Hyun Lee
-Katsuyori Shibata vs. Min Suk Heo
-Daisuke Nakamura vs. A Sol Kwon
-Bernard Ackah vs. Poai Suganuma
-Masanori Tonooka vs. RYO
-Eun Soo Lee vs. Magomed Sultanakhmadov


If anyone get's the chance K-1 Hero's is really worth checking out, great to see Carlos Newton and Denis Kang fighting for them, now PRIDE has gone they have the chance to fill the void in Japan.....


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on February 13, 2008, 11:19:10 AM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/crocop-dream-k1.jpg)

PRIDE FC 2006 Open Weight Grand Prix Champion, Mirko ?Cro Cop? Filipovic, will no longer compete inside the Octagon, signing an undisclosed contract with the newly-minted DREAM promotion, according to Nokaut.com.

He will fight on March 15 against a yet to be named opponent. Lightweights J.Z. Calvan and Shinya Aoki will also fight on the card ? it was the only other match announced for the debut show, according to WrestlingObserver.com.

The Croatian still had two fights remaining on a UFC contract that he signed with much fanfare and high expectations toward the tail end of 2006. No details were provided regarding how or the reason he was released from his contract.

However, speculation has swirled that after two losses in three fights the UFC was not willing to pay him the base $350,000 to compete on under card matches (he more than likely pocketed more than that.)

Dave Meltzer indicated in the print edition of the Wrestling Observer newsletter recently that UFC officials were trying to negotiate a new deal that would pay him less ? perhaps the ?deadline? UFC President Dana White mentioned earlier this month.

Since his Octagon debut against Eddie Sanchez, Cro Cop looked uncomfortable and listless in his new surroundings. And even though he won that fight, he went on to drop his next two bouts ? a knockout loss to Gabriel Gonzaga and a lackluster unanimous decision defeat to Cheick Kongo.

It was a far cry from the devastating striker who made a name for himself decapitating people half a world away in Japan. It was also a major disappointment for fans who expected Cro Cop to soar to the top of the heavyweight division.

Oh well.

DREAM is a new collaborative effort between FEG (K-1, HERO?S) and former Dream Stage Entertainment staff (Pride), according to the announcement. Cro Cop was a star in K-1 prior to becoming a star on Pride FC. And he?s still extremely popular in Japan.

He?ll look to regain his old form; however, unless Cro Cop returns to the UFC before he retires he might always be remembered, at least here in the states, for what he didn?t do in the Octagon rather than what he accomplished outside of it.


Shame he didn't stay round for longer to show what he was capable of, because despite what a lot of haters want to say, he was capable of much more.  The positive though is him joining DREAM which, word is, is PRIDE under a different name basically, and that's just, GREAT!


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on February 15, 2008, 09:55:52 PM
I really feel tank Abbott is gonna test Kimbo Slice tomorrow.

Kimbo has never fought any competition, He fought Sean Gannon who got smoked in the UFC and lost in one of his backyard fights.


Tank looks in shape and He is gonna test Kimbo tomorrow night. I cant wait to watch this.

Also Ricco Rodriguez is fighting.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on February 16, 2008, 05:29:49 AM
I really feel tank Abbott is gonna test Kimbo Slice tomorrow.

Kimbo has never fought any competition, He fought Sean Gannon who got smoked in the UFC and lost in one of his backyard fights.


Tank looks in shape and He is gonna test Kimbo tomorrow night. I cant wait to watch this.

Also Ricco Rodriguez is fighting.
Can't see it.  Last fight he was in he was horried, admittedly he took it on one days notice and drunk beer to the cage and even rocked the guy but he gassed so soon.  I mean even with the right training he still gasses in the first minute or two.  Kimbo isn't stupid, as long as he doesn't get over eager he should beat him with ease.  His first fight was real short but he still looked impressive and more than just a brawler.  Tank's a relic and as fun as he is in truth he's an embarrasment to the sport and should retire, I mean the dude has lose like 7 of his last 8 fights, he's simply collecting pay cheques.

Ricco Rodriguez is a hell of a talent who went off the rails after he lost his title to Tim Sylvia.  I really wanna see him get back to his old self, hopefully he will beat Big Foot Silva.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on February 16, 2008, 02:52:54 PM
Tank has taken the fight against Kimbo seriously. He weighed 263 which is really really small for tank. we are talking Ultimate Ultimate weight. And u remember what he did to Don Frye before slipping.

Kimbo has beat no one. A bunch of crackheads on the internet that u and i both would destroy.



I think Kimbo will end up subbing Tank maybe, but on the feet tank will kill him.


Ricco looked great at the weigh ins. No belly really at all.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: *Timothy* on February 16, 2008, 02:59:36 PM
Kimbo defiantly need to take this to the ground other wise it may be a very early night for him.

The Ricco Rodriguez fight is one that I am looking forward to . Should be interesting to see if we have the old Ricco .


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on February 16, 2008, 03:23:02 PM
I think Kimbo will knock Tank down and finish him via Ground N' Pound, I think his stand-up will surprise.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on February 17, 2008, 08:01:41 PM
Wow this fight was a complete work.

Did u see the Ric Flair face bump Tank took at the end? Tank was pulling his punches and threw ZERO Right hands.


This fight was totally fake.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on February 17, 2008, 10:08:04 PM
So my prediction came good, get in!


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: *Timothy* on February 18, 2008, 04:45:10 PM
hope Tank got paid well for taking the dive.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on February 18, 2008, 10:19:55 PM
So my prediction came good, get in!


Find the fight Hammy and tell me if u think this shit was a work or not.  That was my first reaction when watching this.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on February 19, 2008, 07:44:46 PM
So my prediction came good, get in!


Find the fight Hammy and tell me if u think this shit was a work or not.  That was my first reaction when watching this.

Just seen the event.  Liked the first 3 fights, some sweet finishes.  All the praise for Ricco seemed odd, he looked awful to me.

Tank didn't take a dive.  I mean really, the dude's lost 7 of his last 8 fights going in to this bout, and like I said Kimbo has trained well, I said he could beat him on the stand up, it's no surprise at all, guys with negative records who are expected to lose and have fuck all chances are hardly gonna be paid to take dives....


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on March 08, 2008, 09:01:21 PM
Before tonight, Elite XC signing Ken Shamrock pointed to many top name fights, him vs his brother Frank and vs Kimbo Slice.  After tonight though, one thing is certain, he really needs to retire.  He was up against Robert "Buzz" Berry, an alright British Fighter, who was coming in off 2 losses, is 37 himself and is never likely to be a top contender.  Shamrock should of picked him apart.  For the opening 2 minutes Buzz kept clipping him with little shots, Shamrock did nothing, no attacking, I was sure he was building to something, ready to explode.  With 3 minutes left in the round he finally moved forward throwing a combination that came nowhere near.  He then went for a takedown which was easily blocked, he got clocked and looked rattled, Buzz opened up a cut on his face and soon after knocked him down for the 1st round stoppageShamrock's value has vanished, just like guys before him such as Mark Kerr, Don Frye, Tank Abbott, he's past it and has become a joke, hasn't he lost something like 7 of his last 8 fights?  Kimbo would eat him alive and Frank would beat him with ease to, I know they signed him to a 4-Fight Deal but after tonight's performance he needs to call it a day.

In other news concerning relics coming out of retirement.  Ian Freeman announced he's coming back in May for Cage Rage 26 against Paul Cahoon, another medicore British Fighter coming off a win over Elvis Sinosic.

Masakazu "Ashikan Judan" Imanari tonight had a lovely little fight, only going 2 and a half minutes but it was action packed submission attempt after submission attempt, he finally won pulling off a lovely knee bar which led to his opponent being carried out of the cage.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on March 14, 2008, 03:04:23 PM
DREAM's debut Event this weekend, can't wait, hopefully I can find a torrent not long after.  We start with a kick ass Lightweight Grand Prix and hopefully the return of the Cro Cop of old.

DREAM 1

Mirko Filipović  vs. Tatsuya Mizuno 
Hayato Sakurai "Mach"  vs. Hidetaka Monma 
Shinya Aoki  vs. Gesias Calvancanti "JZ"
Tatsuya Kawajiri "Crusher"  vs. Kultar Gill "Black Mamba" 
Kazuyuki Miyata  vs. Luiz Firmino "Buscape" 
Joachim Hansen  vs. Kotetsu Boku 
Eddie Alvarez  vs. Andre Dida 
Mitsuhiro Ishida  vs. Bu-Kyung Jung 
Artur Oumakhanov  vs. Katsuhiko Nagata 
Minowaman  vs. Lee Gwanbom


The winner of the Grand Prix will get the GP Belt and the Lightweight Title, and looking at those belts and the company roster, owners and style, let's face fights, this is PRIDE under a different name, and it's going to be sweeet.

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/Dream.jpg)


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Skeletor on March 14, 2008, 08:13:14 PM
Hope Cro Cop can get back to business as usual... So he fucked up (in a way, I suppose) in the UFC, but he's still an entertaining fighter, and seems to be a fairly stable & down to earth personality as well. All the best to Mirko! :)


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on April 16, 2008, 04:26:40 PM
Props: BJSM.BMJ.com

Quoteworthy:

?During the 635 professional MMA matches, 300 of the 1,270 athletes sustained documented injuries with an injury rate of 23.6 per 100 fight participations. Most common reported injuries were lacerations and upper extremity injuries. Severe concussion rate was 15.4 per 1,000 athlete exposures, or 3% of all matches. No deaths or critical sports-related injuries resulted from any of the regulated matches during the study period. Age, weight, and fight experience did not statistically increase the likelihood of injuries after controlling for other covariates.?

The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine Department of Emergency Medicine recently published a report of a five year study of injuries sustained during sanctioned mixed martial arts competition that took place in Nevada. The conclusion: the overall risk of critical sports-related injury appears low. Take that, haters.


Took that from mmamania.com  Good to see, no doubt the sport is dangerous, but so are many sports, those who think it's barbaric cock fighting need to get a clue....


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on June 03, 2008, 12:48:24 PM
I just have to say that the EliteXC show on CBS this past weekend might be the worst possible thing that could have happened to MMA. The fact that many people got their introduction to the sport with that piece of shit could set the sport back years. Between total BS stopages and the fact that half of these people had no business being in a pro cage I hope it is never aired again.

I was embarassed for people wi have tried to push the sport into the mainstream and got shit on because they forced a sub standard product into Prime Time.

Few things about the show: Kimbo has no business in anything but a backyard brawl or a toughman show. He was force fed a known "Glass Jaw" and couldn't knock him out. If not for the BS Stopage he would have lost at least 2 of 3 rounds on all cards.

The NJAC ruined what could have been the only good fight of the night by not giving a fighter his 5 minutes to recover after a eye poke.

That made the fight of the night Gina's fight, which was also stopped early. They are now stoped due to a mouse under the eye???

The presentation of the fight was horrible, you are trying to come off as a mainstream "SPORT" (which they should), but present it like a cross between WWE and the XFL. The sport deserves more respect than that.

Polar Opposite of the Abortion that EliteXC ran on Saturday was the unbelieveable WEC card from Sunday... the last two fights were some of the best fights of the year. Jens v. Uriah was a 5 round war that showed what a true champ Faber is.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Thorned Rose on June 03, 2008, 01:14:15 PM
Yeah I caught this on tv, really loved the Robbie fight but it got stopped.

Kimbo is overrated.

Will it be back on?


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on June 03, 2008, 01:34:37 PM
Not sure about it being back on. I hope not. Although it got huge ratings, which means alot of people watched that debacle.

To me, Elite has a sub standard product... A shady boxing promoter got in with a major boxing media outlet (Showtime) and were then able to make a deal (based on Showtime) for a major network contract. They then try and build off of a foundation that the UFC created to make the shady boxing promoter money... Tarnishing the Sport (just like boxing) in the process.

EliteXC doesn't have a single fighter outside of maybe Nick Diaz, who would fall into the top 5 of their weight class in the UFC. It's a shame that they chased the money into Prime Time Network television while promoting a sub standard product. The reason why the UFC doesn;t have a similar deal with a network is because the network wanted creative control of the show... Dana and the Fertitas didn't want that... Gary Shaw (EliteXC) gave CBS that control and look at the horrible presentation. Maybe if they spent less time hiring stripers, buying fireworks, and figuring out how to sell the entrance music (all of which was stolen from the WWE) they could have focused on putting together a card that would have deeper engrained the sport into the mainstream.

Also they went ahead and made the decision that they wanted to make the prime time face of MMA someone who is more suited to be seen on bumfights.com than at a professional sporting event... This isn't the "Sports Entertainment" that they seem to want to fasion themselves after... It is a legit sport that needs to be treated and presented like it.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on June 03, 2008, 02:36:31 PM
Having download a torrent of it I did not have to endure what I have heard to be big commercial breaks and an opening 70 minutes with 2 minutes or so of fighting.

The first two firsts were ok for what they were, two quick, predictable tko wins, stoppages were fair, slightly quick but the guys were done. I'd liked the Women's match and considered the damage to the eye the stoppage seemed fair.

Lawler vs Smith I though was a superb fight, I really really enjoyed it, considering Smith's protests and his eye looking fine though the stoppage seemed dumb. A stoppage for a poke to the eye is ok if your eye is messed up like Couture's was against Belfort.

The Main Event was very entertaining, but considering the supposed cautious side they were playing on, not stopping it in the second round seemed plain crazy. Kimbo was being pounded on and could not intelligently defend. As for the stoppage of Thompson, considering Thompson bitch slapped the ref a second after he stopped it for doing so he was good to go, he wasn't far off finished but last time he was like that he took down Kimbo and he was going forward when it was stopped. Up til then I enjoyed it though I want a rematch of this and the Lawler bought. Although for anyone who has seen the post fight press conference, Kimbo vs Rogers SHOULD be on the cards, Rogers basically called Kimbo out and they had to break things up since he went on about how Kimbo had tapped RD2 and the result was garbage. Feuds sell this stuff and that was the perfect set up, Playing excerpts of that press conference are a great way to hype things up. Kimbo escaping on the Ground wasn't impressive btw, Thompson was just lacking, althougn he has improved, if you want to see someone with good ground skills, watch the prelim with Wilson Reis


Basically my review I posted on another site, thought I'd do a cheeky copy and paste job, beats writing essentially the same thing again.

Incidently I since listened to an audio interview with the referee.  One interesting points he brings up about the Smith stoppage is he repeatedly said "I can't see, he's going to knock me out."  He pretty much implied that Smith worded it differently in the post fight interview and simply made the point, Smith had a broken foot, what's better for him, to lose because of that or to get a no contest and the chance of a rematch?

As for the Thompson stoppage, he stands by it saying that Thompson's eyes rolled back and he was out on his feet, and while I agree that's how it looked, it looked the same 1st round but he did not stop it then and the dude survived and took Kimbo down, it's the lack of consistency that is annoying.

He also said Rogers is far too good for Kimbo right now and he would crush him but Kimbo is a rookie and needs to build up experience first and he see's potential in him, you can listen to it at mmamania.com well worth a listen.

And seriously, watch the Wilson Reis prelim, the dude is great!  Also watch the Nick Serra prelim for the sheer hilariousness of it, he just kept going to ground, refusing to stand, having points deducted and when threatened with a disqualification he still stayed seated and the ref just stopped it, the dude looked sooo bad.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on June 03, 2008, 02:46:40 PM
Do you feel that show was "MMA" putting it's best foot forward?

I just feel like the first Prime Time MMA show should have been the best available product, and Elite isn't it. Tou said it yourself, Kimbo is essentially a rookie, but they choose to make him the headliner of what could have been the most important card in the sports history.

Had the nights been reversed and the WEC card was the Prime Time option, I think the sport would have came off stronger.

I do agree that some of the fights were exciting, but the were just some question marks. Like the Gina fight for example... the doctor cleared her to continue into the 3rd round (sure she wouldn't have made it out of that round) but the doctor cleared then the commision steped in and ended it. I personally feel like a deal may have been struck with the commision to make sure that the show didn't look too 'brutal' to the prime time audience. And what is more brutal than a woman with a battered face and a closed eye.

Another thing, who let Thompson into the ring with his ear in that state... high school wreslers know how to handle and ear in that fluid stage... drain it. It was almost like they were trying to give Kimbo a target.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Mr Cowbell ? on June 03, 2008, 05:41:02 PM
Well I turned in after the Hockey game and only seen the last two matches and the Second to Last fight was good, I agree and dont understand why they wouldnt give the guy his 5 minutes, ALthought 5 mins later in the interview he seemed blurry is in his and looked like he had a lazy eye.


WHAT AN EAR. God when I first seen it I thought the guy should of cut it off. Secondly is Kimbo so stupid it took 12 minutes of fighting to see that huge thing and target it?  Well I got to admit I was a fan interested in seeing Kimbo, I dont think it was fixed persay, but The Ref knows the Elite brand needs a novelty and  they have that and a internet fan base already.   They NEED Kimbo to do well for HIM TO HAVE A JOB and they needed the fight to last beyond the first round so I think although he looked out in the second and kimbo should of been TKO'ed in the 2nd, the ref seen his chance in the 3rd to call the fight and let kimbo "survive" I hope its on CBS again, but I hope they learn from their fans and fix things. 

I think if UFC would of came to an agreement with FOX and had creative control and threw out a free fight with their big heavyweight rookie in Lesnar it would of been huge for MMA, THis was a baby step for MMA.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on June 03, 2008, 06:37:48 PM
EliteXC is a fucking embarrassment to MMA. I am so pissed off with this TUFFman looking bullshit.

Complete blackeye for he greatest sport going today.

Did anyone catch WEC 34 Sunday night? it was better than UFC84. Miguel torres vs Yosheda was the fight of the year so far and Urijah Faber vs Jens pulver was a war.

If u havent seen WEC 34, Torrent it immediately.


EliteXc should go away. its horrible.

Gina carano was a great fight and Lawler/Smith was excellent.

I just feel the way they push Kimbo is retarded and horrible for the sport because he is the worst fighter I've ever seen.

He LOST to a guy wh Paul Rogers knocked out in 30 seconds. Yes KIMBO lost that fight. the stoppabe was bullshit and Kimbo was behind on the cards.

Do u know that one judge gave kimbo round 2? that shows reaks of fix.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Mr Cowbell ? on June 03, 2008, 06:58:42 PM
EliteXC is a fucking embarrassment to MMA. I am so pissed off with this TUFFman looking bullshit.

Complete blackeye for he greatest sport going today.

Did anyone catch WEC 34 Sunday night? it was better than UFC84. Miguel torres vs Yosheda was the fight of the year so far and Urijah Faber vs Jens pulver was a war.

If u havent seen WEC 34, Torrent it immediately.


EliteXc should go away. its horrible.

Gina carano was a great fight and Lawler/Smith was excellent.

I just feel the way they push Kimbo is retarded and horrible for the sport because he is the worst fighter I've ever seen.

He LOST to a guy wh Paul Rogers knocked out in 30 seconds. Yes KIMBO lost that fight. the stoppabe was bullshit and Kimbo was behind on the cards.

Do u know that one judge gave kimbo round 2? that shows reaks of fix.

LEts just hope they hand feed Kimbo a few more people and his ass catches on... The UFC decides to offer him ALOT and I mean ALOT of money , something EliteX cant match and then throw his ass against a UFC Star and rip his ass all the way back to the miami streets he fights from. ANyone else notice on the introduction it listed his MMA FIghting style as "Brawl" I didnt know beating up bums and street folks was such a discipline battle.  As much as the show was bad to give a bad impression to new fans, I don't care who you are, you had to enjoy the 4X normal size ear busting open.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on June 03, 2008, 09:29:48 PM
EliteXC is a fucking embarrassment to MMA. I am so pissed off with this TUFFman looking bullshit.

Complete blackeye for he greatest sport going today.

Did anyone catch WEC 34 Sunday night? it was better than UFC84. Miguel torres vs Yosheda was the fight of the year so far and Urijah Faber vs Jens pulver was a war.

If u havent seen WEC 34, Torrent it immediately.


EliteXc should go away. its horrible.

Gina carano was a great fight and Lawler/Smith was excellent.

I just feel the way they push Kimbo is retarded and horrible for the sport because he is the worst fighter I've ever seen.

He LOST to a guy wh Paul Rogers knocked out in 30 seconds. Yes KIMBO lost that fight. the stoppabe was bullshit and Kimbo was behind on the cards.

Do u know that one judge gave kimbo round 2? that shows reaks of fix.

The Torres fight was amazing... the double ankle lock was one of the best things I've seen in a while. The Cerrone (Cowboy) fight was also great. In a 30 second fight he applied 3 submission attempts before sticking an arm bar. Really to me the only weak fight of the night was the McCullough fight (Varner really got in his head with that last knock out).

I really wish for the sport that people could have seen that WEC card on Prime Time.

Things like the judges score cards don't surprise me when someone like Gary Shaw is running the show. He is as shaddy as they come.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on June 04, 2008, 03:31:21 PM
?We want to fight the best and right now everything; judging by the money, the publicity and the billboards; that is Kimbo. Has Kimbo earned that spot? We are not convinced. So we are calling Kimbo out. If this is a challenge he does not feel ready to accept; that is cool. That we can understand. But it is somewhat unreasonable to ask everyone to play second fiddle ? to fight tougher opponents for less money while another fighter makes bank on the also rans. Brett has fought three very tough heavy weights with legitimate skills. The result in every one of those fights was a first round KO. No decisions, no controversy just straight up cart them off wins. Yet every interview and every place he goes he hears Kimbo this, Kimbo that. Hell, if we were not asking to fight Kimbo, Gary would be ashamed of us and would be wondering what type of wimps he had fighting for him. If Kimbo is the badest man on the planet; then lets do this thing. All due respect ? step up or step aside.?

Rogers and his camp talking sense.

Hopefully this fight will happen and he can beat the hype that is Kimbo.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Thorned Rose on June 04, 2008, 04:02:21 PM
So is the show going to come back on? I didn't mind it, it was a little sloppy.

It was interesting as I'm new to this stuff.

Kimbo was built like a tank... maybe he will learn how to fight soon?


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on June 04, 2008, 04:08:13 PM
So is the show going to come back on? I didn't mind it, it was a little sloppy.

It was interesting as I'm new to this stuff.

Kimbo was built like a tank... maybe he will learn how to fight soon?
It'll be back, the ratings were good.

Even if they weren't it would be back, just not on the same channel, this company has been going for a few years.

Learning MMA is not something you can do overnight.  I'm sure he will improve but at 34 he's got into it late.  A lot of the fighters have been doing varying martial arts since they were five or six years old, there is no substitute for experience, he'll be entertaining in his modern era Tank Abbott brawling style but he'll only get so far before someone exposes him, if he fights Rogers then that day is soon.  I'm sure they want him to fight someone like Cabbage next.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on June 04, 2008, 04:12:17 PM
Kimbo couldnt even knock out a tomato can in thompson

Elite XC is a joke,a circus atmosphere and I feel bad for the real fighters they have in that org.


UFC,WEC and Dream are where its at.

Im very excited for the Affliction card also.

I just wonder how they will sustain their events. The first one will be great, but I just dont know where they go from there as they have a limited roster at the moment.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on June 04, 2008, 04:35:46 PM
Affliction's forever growing roster is amazing.

Fedor & Aleksander Emelianenko
Tim Sylvia
Matt Lindland
Babalu
Josh Barnett
Pedro Rizzo
Ben Rothwell
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Vernon White
Paul Buentello
Vitor Belfort
.

Rumoured:

Tito Ortiz
Andrei Arlovski
.

Millionaire real estate developer, casino boss and reality television star, Donald Trump, is set to announce his foray into mixed martial arts this Thursday, June 5, at a press conference at Trump Tower in New York, N.Y., at 12 p.m. ET.

According to a press release issued today, ?The Donald? will partner with the start up Affliction MMA promotion, which is set to pull the trigger on its debut show at the at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif., on July 19.


I'm just loving the guys they have Barnett is like my 2nd fave fighter, UBER happy, and Dream is class to!!!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Afflicition.jpg)


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on June 16, 2008, 07:45:04 PM
Affliction is gonna fail big time.

They are paying 3 million to Fedor and Sylvia......... they have to sell 75,000 PPV's just to break even and I seriously doubt this thing will sell.

Fedor is not a draw and sylvia isnt either.

The other fighters on the card on people no one outside of hardcore fans care about. there has been little promotion and people arent gonna lay down that much cash for a product they havent heard of.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on June 16, 2008, 08:00:07 PM
Affliction is gonna fail big time.

They are paying 3 million to Fedor and Sylvia......... they have to sell 75,000 PPV's just to break even and I seriously doubt this thing will sell.

Fedor is not a draw and sylvia isnt either.

The other fighters on the card on people no one outside of hardcore fans care about. there has been little promotion and people arent gonna lay down that much cash for a product they havent heard of.
Probably true, still doesn't change the fact that as a hardcore fan it's going to be a great event to watch.

Seems UFC wants to take them out before they get started.  Rumour is the same night they are going to have a live event on Spike, the rumoured headlining fight being....

Brandon Vera vs Wanderlai Silva!

:headbanger:


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on June 19, 2008, 01:38:08 PM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/megadeth.jpg)

mmamania.com

Props: Affliction MMA

Quoteworthy:

?? heavy metal band Megadeth, led by frontman, guitarist, and songwriter Dave Mustaine, will be performing live at the event. The platinum selling band, Megadeth has sold more than 20 million albums worldwide and will electrify the audience with a special highlight performance. Known for their distinctive, in-your-face guitar solos, snarling vocal style and dark lyrical themes, Megadeth is sure to resonate with the ?Affliction Banned? fan base and intensify the already action-packed event.?


Sweet, a Great band added to proceedings.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on July 12, 2008, 07:39:53 PM
Cage Rage 27 was fairly entertaining tonight.  First two fights went to points but there was no doubt about the winners, total domination just failure to finish, entertaining fair though.  The match for the Vacant Heavyweight Title was odd, Al Turk is a solid fighter no doubt, and he deserved his spot, but his opponent was a non-entity and he destroyed him easily, he should of been fighting someone MUCH better like one of the guys in the next fight.  Robert Buzz Berry fresh off destroying Ken Shamrock got picked apart in spectacular fashion.  Neil Grove, one of the many men who has destroyed James Thompson picked him apart with brutal leg kicks and hit him with some real heavy hands knocking him right out, good stuff to watch.  The Main Event was all about Phil Baroni debuting at Welterweight and attempting to get back on the winning track.  He was fed a youngster with some alright wins, Baroni dominated from the start surprising the guy by going straight to ground, he controlled him and nearly got him with a kimura, the guy was wincing but gutted it out, once it got to the feet thought, a shot to the mid section followed by one right on the chin and he was out, very good to watch.  I know his opponent wasn't much but I like Baroni for all the bullshit and bravado the guy seems like a real nice, emotional dude who wears his heart on his sleeve.  Also of note, after the fight, he came over to check on his opponent cos the guy was still out, and some dick, probably a friend of the guy who lost, ran over and headbutted Baroni then legged it, impressively Baroni remained pretty calm, he just seemed so happy at getting back on the winning track.

Overall, one of the better Cage Rage events. : ok:


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on July 16, 2008, 11:37:44 PM
HAHA yeah I saw that dipshit headbutt Baroni

Im afraid MMA is eventually gonna turn into a circus like boxing. T his dude she be barred for life from ever getting into the octagon unless he is the one fighting.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on July 19, 2008, 02:58:01 PM
It?s one of the most important heavyweight matches in recent memory and without question the litmus test for Affliction?s future. The clothing company has assembled one of the greatest MMA events ever on paper, and the show?s success hinges primarily on one bout: the main event featuring world-recognized heavyweight king Fedor Emelianenko squaring off against two-time UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia.

Looking at the Las Vegas odds just days prior to the encounter, Fedor is the prohibitive favorite. Most members of the media and thousands of fans believe Sylvia stands little to no chance of pulling off the upset. But what do fighters think?

Sherdog.com polled more than 25 fighters and trainers to get their thoughts:

Urijah Faber: I think Fedor will win -- second round via armbar or GNP. But I?m rooting for Tim because he?s my buddy.

Gabe Ruediger: I?m going with Fedor. He always comes up with a great game plan and is just that dominant. Sylvia is a proper test and will put up a good fight, though.

John Hackleman: I like Sylvia to score a TKO sometime in the second, maybe even the first. I?m a huge Fedor fan because he?s like a freak of nature, but you just can?t count Sylvia out.

Nick Thompson: Fedor via armbar.

Cung Le: Fedor by decision.

Guy Mezger: I?m going with Fedor, but Tim has a good chance because of his jab. He hits hard and he may be able to keep Fedor away and wear him down. Not likely, but maybe.

Mac Danzig: On the ground Fedor wins, but stand-up is anybody?s game. People always underestimate Tim?s boxing, and Fedor has never fought anybody with a jab like Tim?s. I still think Fedor will win, but Sylvia is the toughest style matchup for a guy like Fedor, and it?s going to be a lot closer than most people think.

Dan Henderson: Fedor by ground-and-pound or armbar -- first round.

Micah Miller: I predict that Fedor wins this fight. He is more well-rounded and defeated Mark Hunt (Pictures) -- a bigger, much better striker than Sylvia.

Kevin Randleman: Fedor wins, but [he] had a long layoff. Could get drawn out, but Fedor wins.

Matt Lindland: I would like to see Tim be a spoiler. All I know is I?m excited to see it.

Jaime Fletcher: They will trade a little. Fedor will take him down. Work some ground-and-pound and then probably hit a submission. His ground is nasty, and Tim?s prone to it. It won?t be a long fight.

Nathan Marquardt: I say Sylvia by TKO round three.

Doug Marshall: I think Fedor in the first round.

Travis Wiuff: Great fight! Tim has a way of surprising people when no one thinks he can win. I?ve seen him train, and his work ethic is second to none. Fedor hasn?t fought a significant heavyweight in three years. I say Tim by decision.

Din Thomas: For years I?ve underestimated Tim Sylvia (Pictures). This time I think I?m gonna be in the minority and pick Tim and his long right hand. Come to think of it, I am a minority.

Ron Frazier: I think Fedor finally gets Tim down and submits him. But he?ll take some damage in the process. Fight goes into the third round. Fedor by armbar.

Marc Laimon: Fedor should pick Tim Sylvia (Pictures) up and slam him on his head, then pummel him for a TKO or submit him. But Tim could knock him out. Fedor is a way better athlete, and that?s who my money is on.

Marvin Eastman: Fedor by TKO in the third.

Richie Hightower: Fedor by whatever he wants.

Troy Mandaloniz: Fedor will destroy him.

David Loiseau: It will be a very interesting fight. Fedor is a beast but hasn?t fought a lot recently. Sylvia?s been fighting top-level competition. Anxious to see how it will turn out. Not sure who will win.

Eddy Millis: Fedor subs him in the first round.

Clay Guida: Fedor by sub when it goes to the ground. Any round.

Alan Belcher: Fedor will submit him in the first.

Shawn Tompkins: I am going to go on record and say Tim Sylvia (Pictures) by KO in the second round. I love Fedor, but I just have a feeling for Sylvia in this one.

Charlie Valencia: I pick Fedor only because he is more athletic and better skilled. The only chance that Tim has is by KO, and that?s highly unlikely.

Pros picking Fedor: 20
Pros picking Sylvia: 5
Pros unsure: 2


My prediction: Fedor via armbar 1st Round.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/pros-pick-fedor-vs-sylvia-13730


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on July 19, 2008, 07:24:08 PM
Ok, I had to do it

I ordered Affliction

there is no way I cant watch this tonight.

They also extended the PPV to 4 hours to show every single match. we also get Vitor on free tv.

So I threw down the 50bucks and cant wait to watch it.

Ill watch UFN afterwards.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on July 19, 2008, 07:39:06 PM
Yeah these guys are good.  Cage Rage loses Bob Sapp they get Kimo, they lose him so 24 hours before the best they can muster is Tank Abbott.

Affliction lose Fedor's Bro and on 24 hours notice get Gary Goodridge, nice, the guy is still competent and I like to watch him bang, him and Buentello is going to be firework city.  Assuming this card lives up to expectations I am so getting this on DVD.

Unfortunately the UK channel that was providing coverage on tape delay tomorrow has failed to sort terms out so we don't get it, so it's torrent city for me when I wake up. :D


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on July 19, 2008, 07:47:38 PM
Yeah I read u guys are getting it a week later or something. Sucks for Affliction. that could hurt their overall exposure.


I think its worth 50 bucks.

I mean there are some big ass fights on this card.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on July 19, 2008, 07:53:58 PM
I got:

Vitor
Little Nog
Andrei Arlovski
Barnett
Lindland
Babalu
Buentello
Fedor by 3rd round armbar although Sylvia will fight a good fight.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on July 19, 2008, 07:54:59 PM
I mean there are some big ass fights on this card.
How many other promotions out there put on cards where there are at least 4 fighters "capable" of beating the UFC Heavyweight Champion.

Fedor (2-0)
Josh Barnett (1-1)
Tim Sylvia (0-1) - He lost but he came mighty close.
Andrei Arlovski (0-0) - Might be a push but the dude has skills, not to say I think he would but he's definately capable, has the tools like.

Elite XC, there Heavyweight Title fight, Justin Eilers vs Big Foot Silva,  :hihi: what a joke.

Affliction may be working at a loss but one smart thing they have in their minds, is the Big Guys are generally the money guys, people love to see the big ones slug it out.  Be if MMA, Wrestling, Boxing, you can always bring up an exception or two but general rule is money is in the big guys.

I got:

Vitor
Little Nog
Andrei Arlovski
Barnett
Lindland
Babalu
Buentello
Fedor by 3rd round armbar although Sylvia will fight a good fight.
Woah there my picks to  :hihi: except I say Round 1.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on July 19, 2008, 08:45:01 PM
Although Fedor will win, im gonna go with Sylvia, dunno just think there may be a big upset here


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on July 19, 2008, 09:24:14 PM
Although Fedor will win, im gonna go with Sylvia, dunno just think there may be a big upset here
I could definately see it happening, it would not be a gigantic upset in my book, but it seems most think it would be.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on July 20, 2008, 05:49:08 AM
Glad I didnt listen to u Hamster haha



Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Thorazine Shuffle on July 20, 2008, 06:05:49 PM
36 seconds.  It took Randy 5 rounds to get the win over Sylvia.

Fedor is the God of MMA.  Hands down.  It looked like a bear mauled Sylvia, and Sylvia is a top notch fighter.

And how about Arvloski!  The pitbull is back.



Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on July 21, 2008, 04:26:52 PM
Glad I didnt listen to u Hamster haha
Why my picks were right?

Or is it you meant you bet on them.....

Anyway just finished seeing the event, superb waaaaay better than UFC Fight Night.

I've seen every fight they had including the tv portion and loved it all.

How about this for the next event:

Fedor Emelianko vs Josh Barnett
Andrei Arlovski vs Tim Sylvia
Matt Lindland vs Vitor Belfort
Babalu Sobral vs Tito Ortiz
Pedro Rizzo vs Paul Buentello
Alexander Emelianko vs Ben Rothwell.

 :yes:


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on July 21, 2008, 04:50:13 PM
Arlovski/Sylvia would be a pretty brutal stand-up fight as always. I'd tip Andrei for it this time


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Skeletor on July 21, 2008, 07:09:18 PM
I'd rather see Arlovski vs. Fedor, we've already seen Arlovski & Sylvia a million times. Plus I think Arlovski was more convincing than Barnett anyway.

As for Aleksander Emelianenko, we'll see when he gets to fight next... The rumors are currently flying regarding him possibly having hepatitis. Time will tell whether the rumors hold any truth or not.


EDIT: Aleksander denied the rumors: http://promma.info/?p=743 (http://promma.info/?p=743)


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on July 21, 2008, 07:31:43 PM
I'd rather see Arlovski vs. Fedor, we've already seen Arlovski & Sylvia a million times. Plus I think Arlovski was more convincing than Barnett anyway.
Barnett was convincing, heck he beat Rizzo at his own game (Although true Rizzo is past his prime), I am though thinking the same way as you, my thought was though, I like fights to get built up.  Assuming Arlovski and Fedor win the fights I set out, then you could match them up, by that point it would definately be the two top Heavyweights of Affliction squaring off, out of the big guys they got the biggest reaction of the night.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on July 24, 2008, 02:52:54 PM
I'd rather see Arlovski vs. Fedor
Ask and you shall receive....

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/fedor-arlovski.jpg)
Fresh off what many feel to be a major success with its first-ever show on July 19 dubbed, ?Banned,? Affliction MMA will go for an encore in the backyard of the promotion that ?banned? it in the first place.

Indeed, Affliction has its sights set on Las Vegas, Nevada, on October 11 for its next show, according to Yahoo!Sports.com. And anyone who?s anyone knows that ?Sin City? is UFC turf ? the organization that forbid its fighters to don the clothing company?s apparel at its events.

But who really cares about that because the same report confirms that former UFC champion Andrei Arlovski will challenge the last man to hold the Pride FC heavyweight strap, Fedor Emelianenko, likely for the Russian?s newly-won heavyweight WAMMA title in the main event of the evening.

It?s a dream match that most fans have fantasized about for years.

And perhaps the only thing that can top that news is what ace the UFC pulls from its sleeve to once again counter this latest bold move. Perhaps it once again includes UFC Middleweight Champion, Anderson Silva.

This is getting good. Real good.


Source: mmamania.com


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on July 24, 2008, 05:11:57 PM
Sweet! I'm backing Arlovski myself


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on July 24, 2008, 05:48:19 PM
Sweet! I'm backing Arlovski myself
Can't see it, I think Fedor's striking at the very least is on par, heck I rate it was being better, Arlovski's chin is questionable, early in his career he got dropped several times when faced with superior strikers, since then he's come a long way and it's far better but Fedor will give him problem, although Arlovski will have the reach advantage, on the ground, Fedor will run circles round him, no problem.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on July 24, 2008, 09:44:52 PM
Oh no doubt about it Fedor will be the favourite and his ground skills are far superior but I think if Arlovski can keep on his feet he has a good chance, hell atleast he'll give Fedor a problem unlike Sylvia.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on August 01, 2008, 09:23:07 AM
First, EliteXC goes underwhelms on July 26 for its second CBS offering of ?Saturday Night Fights.?

The California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) released the ticket sale information, showing roughly a third of all tickets were sold ? with a hefty chunk being comped and the rest going into the nearest recycling bin.

Television draws a relatively abysmal 2.5 to 3 million viewers. Gary Shaw and Doug DeLuca ?resign? to consult.

Then Dave Meltzer reports that Affliction lost millions from its first foray into mixed martial arts on July 19. In spite of a solid event, pay-per-view (PPV) numbers are alleged to be (at best ? and possibly a big stretch) 100,000 buys. Good, but a far cry from the 250-300,000 buys Affliction needed to possibly break even.

Rumor has it, in fact, Affliction honcho Tom Atencio is already asking fighters to take a 50 percent pay cut for its sophomore effort in Las Vegas later this year.

However, at least on of its most talented assets ? victorious Affliction ?Banned? fighter Josh Barnett ? has already made a public statement that his answer will be ?NO? if indeed asked.

Now Japan?s DREAM (or PRIDE II, as some fans see it) is finding itself in the same murky waters. Dismal ratings have left many officials banking on its September 23 event as make-or-break for the company.

And that hardship couldn?t have come at a more opportune time for the UFC, who not coincidentally has just signed a new pay-per-view contract with Japan?s WOWOW PPV company.

Here?s an excerpt from Kamipro.com explaining the partnership:

?We finally signed a contract with the UFC on July 11. I knew this news had been rumored before we officially announced it. We used to air the UFC. We wanted to maintain our contract, but unfortunately the negotiations were broken off and we stopped broadcasting after the UFC 70 in April, 2007. They approached us again in 2008. We were planning to show the UFC in HD starting April of 2007; although the UFC terminated the contact. I remember we were very surprised and disappointed. We are basically going to show all numbering events. Their PPV packages are 3 hours. We will condense into 2 hours by picking up 5 to 6 fights.?
It seems that while every non-Zuffa promotion is struggling to keep its head above water, Dana and company are in cruise-control with the top down on the war wagon.

Still, one thing the UFC doesn?t have is all of the world?s best fighters. Though the way things are going for other promotions, that may just be a matter of time.

Tick-Tock.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on August 27, 2008, 09:16:30 AM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/kimboslicekenshamrock.jpg)

Ken Shamrock (26-13-2)? the 44-year-old mixed martial arts pioneer who has not won a professional fight in more than four years ? is the next man to challenge Elite XC?s most coveted possession, Kimbo Slice (3-0), according to Sherdog.com.

The bout will serve as the main event of ?Saturday Night Fights? on CBS from the Bank Atlantic Center in Sunrise, Fla., on October 4.

Shamrock was a among a short list of possible opponents for the Miami native that also included Sean Gannon ? the only man to defeat the YouTube.com sensation in underground fisticuffs ? and Brett Rogers.

Out of the trio Rogers was far and away the most qualified and would have likely given Slice the stiffest competition. However, that could have been the problem ? Elite XC matchmakers still feel the need to shamelessly build its biggest star.

And what better way then to have him wallop an over-the-hill, past-his-prime UFC veteran on national television.

Shamrock ? a UFC Hall of Fame inductee ? dropped his first and most recent bout under the ProElite banner, losing to Robert ?Buzz? Berry via first knockout at Cage Rage 25: ?Bring it On? earlier this year.

That, too, was supposed to be a warm-up for the ?World?s Most Dangerous Man? to groom him for a big money match down the road against either Slice, or his younger brother, Frank.

It seems like it didn?t matter ? at least one of those fights (Slice) is going to happen. Although a win against Berry would have made this appear (to the casual fan at least) to be somewhat of a fair fight.

Shamrock has lost eight of his last 10 fights dating back to 2001 and he?s on a five-fight losing skid.

The only thing in his favor going into this fight is experience and his submission game. Shamrock has won more than 80 percent of his fights via submission, which poses somewhat of a threat provided he can get close enough to Slice to take him down.

Don?t count on it. But then again stranger things have happened ? kind of like this match up in the first place.


This is fairly smart on Elite's part.  Rogers would crush Kimbo and fact is Shamrock is still a very good draw and much more well known than Rogers, heck to the casual fan he's always going to be one of the most well known fighters, just like in wrestling you say to someone name a wrestler and they say Hulk Hogan.

After seeing Shamrock's last performance at Cage Rage here in the UK, Kimbo should have no problem knocking Shamrock out.  Shamrock was fed a can over here, a guy who was never a somebody (and has since lost his follow up fight and retired) and the guy schooled him.  Shamrock looked so down, worried, negative, the dude needs to hang it up or go back to wrestling.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on August 30, 2008, 01:01:00 AM
Shamrock must know he isn't gonna win. He's purely milking it now, I think this could be his last fight. I agree he's still a pretty decent draw but obviously no one thinks he has a chance to win.

He just needs to hang it up, he's already ruined the legacy he once had by not retiring years ago.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on August 31, 2008, 09:27:53 PM
He just needs to hang it up, he's already ruined the legacy he once had by not retiring years ago.
No doubt about it, I hate it when people fuck their legacy up carrying on way too long.

Affliction's next Card is shaping up to be another cracking event.  It's a real good mix of legends (who can still go), current stars, and up and comers.  Oh and Ozzy Osbourne's playing :headbanger:

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/affliction.jpg)

Andrei Arlovski vs Josh Barnett
Vladimir Matyushenko vs Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Jay Hieron vs Drew Fickett
Dan Lauzon vs Chris Horodecki 
Matt Lindland vs Trevor Prangley 
Paul Buentello vs Roy Nelson
Mike Pyle vs Jason High
Antonio Duarte vs Albert Rios
Jay White vs Chase Gormley

Unofficial or Rumored Bouts:
Ben Rothwell vs Pedro Rizzo
Renato Sobral vs TBA


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Mr Cowbell ? on October 05, 2008, 12:07:23 PM
Anyone else see Kimbo slice get exposed for the joker he was?


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on October 05, 2008, 01:10:15 PM
Anyone else see Kimbo slice get exposed for the joker he was?
Haha, aye.  Tuned in just to catch that fight (I'm downloading the show as we speak).

It was laughable how much (pre-fight) they were lining up the excuses, saying "He hasn't had time to prepare for him", "He doesn't know anything about him", "Seth Petruzelli is probably a better fighter than Ken Shamrock".

Dude's been exposed now and this is a disaster for Elite XC, this result could be the death knell for the company, Kimbo Slice is their cash cow.  Wouldn't surprise me if Seth gets resigned by Dana, as Dana has got to be laughing his ass off at this.

Hopefully a partnership with Affliction can keep the company afloat because between the 2 rosters they have some extremely talented fighters.

Edit: Seems the bigwig of the company wasn't happy about the result  :hihi:

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Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Mr Cowbell ? on October 05, 2008, 07:19:47 PM
That's not fair Hammy, that clips makes Elite look bad, I mean Kimbo did lead an attack for 2 maybe 2.5 seconds, and your clip only shows kimbo getting illegally attacked as Seth (per his contract) wasn't allowed to punch, kick, slap, headbutt, look at, stare, smell, or even come within 2 feet of touching THE KIMBO, per Elite's rules for him.

I have a source/friend who is close with some execs at Elite and he told me this little tidbit of informatrion:

Little known fact is Shamrock and Seth work this out months ago to pull the flop and suprize kimbo, THE KIMBO didnt have enough time to train for Seth and Seth had months to train for him.

The Kimbo also had to fight 3 Bums in parking lots just to earn bus money earlier in the day to make it to the fight so he was already worn out.

The Kimbo also had to spend an extra hour doing his hair, as the barber couldnt understand why someone would want the top of their head shaved and not the bottom.

Also for some reason when he came out, CBS cut away for a second and a fan spit chewing tobacco in his face right before the fight.

THE KIMBO also had to spend extra time backstage "chillin'" with the judges and refs and buttering them up so in a fight anywhere close they could all agree no matter what Kimbo could win, even if he spent all 3 minutes on his back they would still give him the round.

THE KIMBO also spend all Friday night fighting off an evil Chuck Norris, First they both took turns roundhouse kicking each other but neither would fall, then they both used their extra fist underneath their beads to punch each other in the face but neither would falter, Then they both counted to infinity twice and called it a draw at around 5 am Saturday morning

THE KIMBO if he didnt have to fight 3 bums, had proper time to train for a Better younger then Shamrock fighter, didnt have to spend the extra time in the barber chair, Didnt have chew spit in his face, have to spend buttering up the judges, and then spend all night dueling it out with Chuck Norris, THE KIMBO would of sliced and diced his way to a KO Victory.

Also his Elite record will reflect a 1-0-0-1*
1 win, 0 losses, 0 draws, 1 time cheated into an unfair match, So don't worry Elite will still back him and promote this great street fighter as being UNDEFEATED:

LONG LIVE ................ The Kimbo


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on October 05, 2008, 07:38:31 PM
Shame on the Media for how they are treating Kimbo. They just feel stupid cause they wouldn't listen to the casual fan and they tried to act like MMA GODS when as usual, the media don't know shit.




Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on October 06, 2008, 09:54:15 AM
I don't blame the Media, I blame Gary Shaw and his idiot kid. They are the ones attempting to package Kimbo into the unstopable fighting machine for the media.

These morons (like Hammy has pointed out) attempted to build their entire organization around an amature Bum Fighter/Strip Club Bouncer. The shitty thing is, if they new how to properly promote MMA they would have a great thing... This all just goes to show how well the Fertitas and Dana White run the UFC. They get shit for their pay scales, but in the end... if you want to fight in the US and actually be in an organization that is around longer than your fight deal it will have to be in the UFC. They have it figured out... no one else has.

Theyother orgs always have great (overpaid) lineups, then fold after a few shows.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on October 10, 2008, 11:11:31 AM
ProElite faces allegations of fixing the Slice-Petruzelli fight


http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3634858


Shortly after stopping Kimbo Slice in 14 seconds in Sunrise, Fla., on Saturday, last-minute replacement Seth Petruzelli began granting interviews. But it was the one he conducted Monday with an Orlando, Fla.-based radio station that has put ProElite under the microscope.

"The promoters kind of hinted to me and they gave me the money to stand and trade with him," Petruzelli said on "The Monsters in Orlando" show. "They didn't want me to take him down, let's just put it that way. It was worth my while to try to stand up and punch with him."

Petruzelli has since claimed his comment was "misconstrued." But the damage was too great to simply go away quietly. His words implied that ProElite attempted to influence the fight, causing the issue to mushroom.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on October 12, 2008, 07:49:30 PM
ProElite faces allegations of fixing the Slice-Petruzelli fight
Dana gives his views, quite an entertaining video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkYC8TBzmmQ

I'm speechless... that is awsome!


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on October 21, 2008, 03:21:54 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=3655102


Reports: EliteXC tells employees, fighters it's out of business

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ESPN.com news services

The parent company of the EliteXC mixed martial arts circuit is closing its doors for good, according to multiple reports.

Sherdog.com reported that according to T.J. Thompson, an executive at ProElite Inc., he was informed that the company would close for good this week and would file for bankruptcy protection. And Sports Illustrated, on its Web site, reported that ProElite told its employees and fighters on Monday that it was shutting down, effective immediately, according to multiple sources.

Sherdog also reported that according to numerous sources, an EliteXC card scheduled for Nov. 8 in Reno, Nev., has been canceled. According to the report, Joey Villasenor, who was scheduled to fight Robbie Lawler for the circuit's middleweight title on the card, was informed Monday it had been scrubbed.

ProElite did not return calls seeking comment, according to the reports.

The shutdown follows an EliteXC card televised by CBS on Oct. 4, in which the circuit's biggest star, Kimbo Slice, suffered a 14-second TKO at the hands of a relatively unknown last-minute replacement, Seth Petruzelli. That bout is under investigation by the Florida State Athletic Commission, following comments Petruzelli made after the fight suggesting that he had been promised monetary incentives to trade punches with Slice, rather than employ a more technical game plan.

Showtime Networks, which owns a 20 percent stake in ProElite, on Sept. 17 filed a notice with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission announcing its intention to enter negotiations to purchase the company outright.

But SI.com reported that according to a source inside ProElite, those negotiations failed and ProElite's funding disappeared, forcing it out of business.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on October 21, 2008, 03:37:44 PM
Thank God

Get these shitty organizations out of here so they can stop tainting what MMA is.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on October 21, 2008, 03:59:21 PM
Thank God

Get these shitty organizations out of here so they can stop tainting what MMA is.

Everyone bitches about the UFC, but they are the only organization that is run like on of the "big 4" sports. As long as these organizations come around and blow their load offering huge contracts to fighters but offer a poorly produced product, they will continue to fold afetr a few shows and get the UFC more deeply entrenched.

Granted there were some dark years, but the UFC is close to their 100th major show and does well with smaller cable cards and their reality show.

People can bad mouth them all they want for having shitty paydays, but they seem to be the only org that can run for more than 6 months... and the second they run rough shot and go out of business these fighters are going to be fighting at armories for a percentage of the tickets they personally sell.

Back on the topic of EliteXC... I would like to see the UFC pickup the women from Elite and fold them into the WEC where they are getting rid of their heavier divisions.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on October 21, 2008, 04:04:26 PM
Kimbo Slice and Elitexc put MMA back 5 years. It could've destroyed the sport.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Mr Cowbell ? on October 21, 2008, 11:49:54 PM
Kimbo Slice and Elitexc put MMA back 5 years. It could've destroyed the sport.

I don't know about that, it helped get a larger audience introduced, so I think it has its good and its bad points, CBS seen some potential and maybe they would be willing to consider runnign another promotion on saturday nights which is produced right could be a huge benefit in the long run. 

Personally I hope now that Kimbo's 15 seconds is done and he has no where to fight, UFC could offer him a 1 match deal. I know they would want to shed away from anyone who could be considered in a fixed match, but why not take on THE KIMBO and feed him to the biggest rizing star in UFC. BROCK LESNAR.  Not sure if Kimbo is stupid enough to fight a monster like Brock, but hell It would be a HUGE ppv draw and great chance for UFC to show what a real athlete can do and see BROCK destroy Kimbo and make some big money doing so.

ANyone else think this whole company fell because they were riding THE KIMBO train too hard and not building up anything else?


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on October 21, 2008, 11:56:11 PM
Dude

Seth Petruzelli fucking SUCKS. I could probably take that douche to a decision. He sucks, fucking sucks and he beat Kimbo with an off balance jab

not a hook, not a right cross, a fucking off balance jab only after he was paid off to keep the fight standing which is illegal.

EliteXC made MMA look like Professional Wrestling. It set the sport back and lost it tons of credibility with that bullshit.

Kimbo was on TV commercials and was made the face of MMA and he sucks.

The UFC are legit, Affliction and Dream are legit, Strikeforce are legit and some of the smaller leagues.

EliteXC was a fucking joke, a bunch of crooked boxing promoters trying to get rich fast on someone else's vision.

Brock Lesnar would put Kimbo in a Coma and make him drink from a feeding tube.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on December 02, 2008, 01:00:22 PM
After losing to Fedor Emelianenko last July, Tim Sylvia plans for a big return.

The former UFC heavyweight champion is prepared to fight in Japan in roughly 30 days. Sylvia?s manager, Monte Cox, is actively seeking a fight for ?The Maine-iac? on K-1 and Dream?s co-promoted ?Premium 2008 Dynamite? card on Dec. 31 or World Victory Road?s Sengoku event on Jan. 4. Cox said Sylvia has been granted a certificate of eligibility to participate in either promotion.

?I don?t think anyone ever knows until about a week before they fight,? said Sylvia of preparing for an opponent in one of the Japanese organizations.

Sylvia (24-5) hoped to return to Affliction in January, but Cox confirmed that the 6-foot-8 heavyweight will sit out the novice promotion?s second show set for Jan. 24 in Anaheim, Calif., which features an Emelianenko-Andrei Arlovski clash.

Sylvia, who also has a contract with Cox?s Adrenaline MMA promotion, has been eyeing a meeting with UFC Hall of Famer Ken Shamrock (26-13-2).

?I was supposed to fight Ken Shamrock December 20, but it?s been postponed to February now,? said Sylvia. ?He?s a free agent. I was supposed to fight him in a small show called XP3 Promotions. I believe in Texas, but it?s postponed to February now.?

Cox echoed Sylvia?s position that a bout with the 44-year-old Shamrock was in the works.

However, Melissa Ingram, director of media relations for Ken Shamrock Entertainment Inc., was hesitant to describe the fight as being in ?preliminary negotiations.?

Shamrock?s manager Ron Donohoo told Sherdog.com on Monday that the bout was not under consideration.

?Our organization was approached some time ago about the prospect of Ken fighting Sylvia, but it was rejected,? Donohoo wrote in an email.

Donohoo did not disclose the reason the fight was declined. XP3 Promotions told Sherdog.com via email that it has written confirmation from both parties that they are currently in negotiations for the bout. XP3 plans to hold the event on Feb. 7 at the Reliant Arena in Houston.

Despite the opposing sides, Sylvia expects to see much action in the coming months, including a fight with Shamrock.

?I love to fight and a fight?s a fight,? said Sylvia. ?He?s a Hall of Famer. He?s a legend. To progress your career you always have to fight somebody like that.

?I don?t know if he?s a stepping stone or anything, but he?s been on some of the same cards I?ve been on and he?s been highlighted over me, so I want to let people that I am better than this guy and there?s no reason he should have been highlighted over me.?


Are they fucking kidding?  Shamrock is no longer credible, he would get destroyed by Sylvia, and the way Sylvia talks like it's some kind of "credible" fight, who the hell is he trying to kid?

Speaking of bullshit.  Anyone see Kim Couture's most recent fight, that was a bullshit set-up if ever there was one, the entire fight (all 1 minute and 28 seconds) her opponent ran from her.  It was insulting to women's mma which is better than most think.  Her opponent ran from her straight away and covered up, scared of the punches reacting like...well...a girl...and like most critics expect women in mma to fight which is why it gets no props.  Women can be tough and this fight was on the same level as Kimbo when it comes to pissing on the sport!  Mon the Cyborg vs Carano showdown  :D


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: JMack on January 07, 2009, 12:34:41 AM
Dana said Kimbo was a circus act months ago and I did as well.  dana said he would put his greenest light weight against Kimbo and it wouldn't be fair for Kimbo.  He saw no use for Kimbo.  Sylvia lost as well as Griffin?  It's even keel in the UFC and I think Rampage is the man to beat.  The Iceman may have taken too many shots at this point but you never know?


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on January 14, 2009, 08:25:49 PM
Cool interview with Heavyweight Legend Josh Barnett:

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/barnett-interview.jpg)

Josh ?The Baby Faced Assassin? Barnett (23-5) ? currently ranked number three on the WAMMA top 10 list for heavyweights ? is set to face Dutch striker Gilbert ?The Hurricane? Yvel (35-12-1) in a number one contender eliminator match on January 24 in the co-main event at Affliction: ?Day of Reckong? at the Honda Center in Anaheim, California.

Barnett sat out all of 2007 after the Japanese promotion Pride FC was sold to the UFC and eventually closed down. In early 2008 he came back onto the Japanese MMA scene, fighting twice on Sengoku cards, defeating training partners Hidehiko Yoshida with a third round heel hook submission and Jeff Monson via unanimous decision.

Then in July he competed on the first ever Affliction MMA card, avenging an earlier loss in his career to Pedro Rizzo by knocking him out cold with a left hand in the second round.

With WAMMA champion Fedor Emelianenko out due to a hand injury, The Baby Faced Assassin was booked to fight Andrei ?The Pitbull? Arlovski in the main event of the second Affliction card in October. The winner of the match would get the first crack at Fedor in early 2009.

But for whatever reason that card fell through and now, three months later, Barnett is basically left as the odd man out. Regardless, he remains only one fight away from a shot at the title. Affliction higher ups have already guaranteed a shot at the winner of Fedor and Arlovski for Barnett if he can get past Yvel.

However, that won?t be an easy task.

Yvel is a fantastic striker with 48 professional fights to his credit and 30 of his 35 wins coming by knockout or technical knockout. Not to mention he has a bad reputation in the sport as a dirty fighter. Affliction certainly isn?t making the path to a title shot a walk in the park for Barnett, but he feels confident that?s exactly where he?ll end up.

We recently sat down with Josh and discussed his upcoming fight, his friendship with WAMMA champion Fedor Emelianenko, his future and several other topics about him and MMA in general. He?s a true professional and as confident as they come.

Check out the conversation below:


James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): How are you feeling man? Any nagging injuries or anything heading into this fight?

Josh Barnett: I?m just one big nagging injury.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): (Laughs) How has your training camp been?

Josh Barnett: It?s been going really well actually. I?ve had great sparring partners like Rampage, JP Fletcher, Ben Jones and they?ve been a real big help getting prepared for this.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Are you training at the same place?

Josh Barnett: Yep, same place I always train at ? CSW in Fullerton.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Your opponent, Gilber Yvel, is a very dangerous striker, perhaps even more so than your last opponent, Pedro Rizzo, which is scary. Do you plan on using the same approach in this fight as you did in July by trying to win the fight on your feet?

Josh Barnett: I?m going to try to take him out in any way shape or form possible. I don?t like decisions and I don?t intend to let this one go to one.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Well it?s no secret that perhaps your biggest strength, your ground game is his biggest weakness. Wouldn?t it be easier to just attack that weakness instead of trying to win at his game?

Josh Barnett: Sure, but if your gameplan is so exposed right away then it makes the balance easier for them to defend it. The thing is I?m not looking to pass up a knockout just to forward through and get a takedown. There?s no guarantees in anything, but when I have opportunities I take them.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Do you feel like you have any weaknesses in this fight or do you feel like you?re better than Yvel in most areas?

Josh Barnett: No, I don?t consider anybody in the world to be at a level that I can?t compete at or I?m not better than. I?m really not concerned with anybody. It?s all about not allowing them to establish what they want to do. If they can?t dictate the fight, if they can?t find their rhythm, then whatever it is they want to affect in the fight isn?t going to be of much use to them because it?s going to be under my control.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): There were rumors of you facing both Brett Rogers and Aleksander Emelianenko before Yvel was officially announced. Which of the three would you fight if it were your choice?

Josh Barnett:Brett Rogers was I guess a possibility, but because of all the legal aspects of the Elite XC scenario right now, it couldn?t happen. I was fine with that. Aleksander was absolutely never a consideration. That was just some sort of propaganda that he or somebody else was trying to put out there. He can?t even be licensed in the state of California so it?s an impossibility for him to be an option for anyone at this point. And Gilbert Yvel was the only solid offer I got, you know, besides Brett, and Brett, well I guess I can?t acknowledge because he could never fight.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): You mention Aleksander having some trouble getting cleared to fight in California. Yvel also had problems getting licensed in Nevada for Pride 33 a couple of years ago and some people believe he?ll have similar problems getting cleared for this fight. Do you know anything on that?

Josh Barnett: He?s absolutely cleared to apply for his license. And the only thing that would keep him from getting it, I would imagine, would be if he failed one of his medicals.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): He?s got a pretty bad reputation for his actions inside the ring. He?s been caught eye gouging, biting, kicking to the groin and even striking an official. What are your thoughts on facing a guy like that and what are you going to do if he starts in with the dirty stuff on you on January 24?

Josh Barnett: Well if he knocks the ref out there?s not much I can do about that (laughs). And if he tried to bite me, you know, I don?t really know. It?d be ugly, that?s all I can say. I don?t really have the same mercy for my opponents as maybe other people do and that just goes for within the rules.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): I?m sure Affliction has a back up plan in case Yvel doesn?t get cleared. Have you heard of any possible replacements just in case?

Josh Barnett: No, I haven?t heard any particular names at all at this point. All I know is I?m going to be ready for them ? don?t know if they?ll be ready for me.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): (Laughs) Right on. This is obviously a huge fight for you because a win secures you a match against the winner of Fedor and Arlovski for the WAMMA championship in your next fight. I imagine you?ll be keeping a close eye on that one. How do you see it going down?

Josh Barnett: I think it?s really going to come down to Fedor?s ability to put the fight on the ground. Once Arlovski?s on his back I don?t think he?s going to be able to execute very well and the fight is over I think. I think Fedor?s going to establish that control and he?s never going to let it go.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Do you have a preference as to which one you face?

Josh Barnett: I don?t care about who I fight so much, but I want Fedor to win, he?s my friend. I want to see him do well.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on January 14, 2009, 08:27:32 PM
James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Can you elaborate on that friendship a little bit for us and maybe talk about how you guys became friends and what it might be like fighting a friend?

Josh Barnett: Well, I never had any trouble fighting friends before. I fought Jeff Monson who was in some ways a person I?ve always, I?ve kind of coached him for the most part, you know. I?ve been in his corner for a lot of big fights. I?ve worked with him in the past as been training partners. We just went out there and fought. Yoshida was a training partner as well. I had no problem fighting him, either. I?ll fight anybody. I?ll fight family if I have to if that?s what it comes down to. In terms of Fedor, we just really got along after we just sat down on a night of me, him and Roman Zentsov just hanging out. It turned out that we got along very well and he?s a very caring and cool guy. We keep in touch and we want the best for each other. But at the same time we?re competitors in the same sport and none of that really overlaps as far as being an issue.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): So if your friendship isn?t holding you guys back why haven?t we seen a fight between you two yet?

Josh Barnett: Timing and the promoters is what that really comes down to.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): How do you feel you match up with either Fedor or Andrei? Are both of those fights you feel like you can win?

Josh Barnett: Yeah, I think on the feet I can knock either one of them out. I think that Fedor is actually more dangerous because of his ability to mix it up so well between striking and then initiating grapples and taking you down. He keeps people on their toes and he keeps them off balance. It?s really a cool thing to see him implement it. As far as the grappling aspect, I think that Fedor would be a much more difficult fight for me on the ground than Arolvski. Arlovski?s a very strong, capable heavyweight and when he?s doing well he gets stronger as he goes. That?s always something to keep in mind, but when things are going tough you usually test the faith.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): What are your thoughts on the rumors of poor ticket sales for this event?

Josh Barnett: They?re just that, rumors. I?ve not heard or seen anything to substantiate them. Unfortunately, a lot of things that people like to point out is the negative. I?ve read some of the negativity in terms of ? not just Affliction ? but any promotion besides the UFC that?s trying to get off the ground. Everybody?s got an opinion and they all think they can do a better job. Instead of being happy for the possibility of seeing more great fights and sometimes the match ups you?ve been wanting to see for a while, I don?t know, people are just very, very hard to please nowadays. But, you know, the economy is hurting things and the UFC has a huge lock on the market so it?ll be hard to establish your brand amongst that. But you do what you can and if you can put on the kind of fights that get people talking then that?s what?s going to keep bringing them back.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): You mention the UFC basically having the market locked down. When Affliction had its first show in July, the UFC ? on short notice ? put together the fight night card with Anderson Silva. What were your thoughts on that counter programming, I mean, is that the UFC using dirty tactics?

Josh Barnett: It is, but I mean all is fair in love and war, and apparently business. Personally, I don?t think the demise of Affliction would help them in the least. I think what it does is it makes your market, your pool, bigger from which to draw from. Therefore, they would see an increase in funds with a bigger viewing audience for the sport as a whole. And appreciate that Affliction is going to go and do things that UFC either won?t or actually couldn?t because they weren?t interested in dealing with the UFC?s particular image, you know, however the view that. But I think if the UFC is a one man show, I guess things will survive, but it?s going to be a lot rougher for not just the UFC but the fighters as well. Just maybe the people at the top will get rich, but in the end everybody?s out for their own anyhow.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Do you think the second Affliction show in Las Vegas getting canceled had anything to do with the UFC?

Josh Barnett: I?m not entirely sure. I mean it very well could have, but it was very disappointing nonetheless.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Right, you were supposed to fight Arlovski then for the number one contender slot. There are some people who believe you?re more deserving of the first shot at Fedor than Arlovski. Do you agree?

Josh Barnett: Uh, I just don?t care. I just want to fight. Eventually the fights that are going to be the most important will come my way. And no matter what, I got to win. You never know, the fight that I have with somebody that everybody wants to pass off and just casually dismiss, that might be the fight that?s the most exciting one they?ve ever seen me fight. You just never know what?s going to happen until you get into the ring. Gilbert Yvel is a veteran with well over 40 fights. I really think that there could be a really great match up out of this. I don?t strive to make my name off beating anybody in particular. I?ll make my name off my own merit, my own skills and my own accomplishments. I don?t need to be in any specific organization and I don?t need to fight any specific fighter. I just need to do the best I can do out there.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Do you think Affliction is going to survive as a mixed martial arts promotion, honestly?

Josh Barnett: Uh, well yeah. If I didn?t I wouldn?t have signed with them.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): What is your contract status with Affliction?

Josh Barnett: Uh, good (laughs). I?m able to fight for both Affliction and Sengoku if I want, and Pancrase. I?m pretty open to being able to fight most places.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): You?re also into the pro wrestling scene over in Japan. What are your thoughts on some of the WWE guys like Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley making the move to MMA?


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on January 14, 2009, 08:28:06 PM
Josh Barnett: Well, if they got the talent then I absolutely support it. I just hope that they can keep some of that persona and ability to personalize and make a character out of themselves when they come to MMA. It gives somebody out there in the fans and the audience somebody to really latch onto. Someone that sticks out ? that?s an individual and is interesting and that makes people think or hate or love or whatever the case may be to get some sort of emotion out of them. Instead of being carbon copy, tribal tattoo, goatee, shaved head, board short wearing yahoo that you see on every card.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Right, you mention that if they have the talent then you support them. Do you thin Brock Lesnar is the real deal and worthy of the UFC title or is he just a flash in the pan that veteran fighters will eventually figure out?

Josh Barnett: He?s new, I mean, he?s green to fighting, I?ll give you that. But he?s got the gold and he beat somebody that whether you think he could beat the best out there is one thing, but I?ll tell you what, any newcomer with three fights getting into the ring would be hard pressed to beat a guy like Randy Couture.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Can Frank Mir beat him again?

Josh Barnett: I put my money on Lesnar, but then again it just really depends on what kind of preparation he?s going to do. I think that if he wants to beat Mir, he needs to come out to Fullerton and train at CSW with myself and Erik Paulson. I think if he goes in again he could possibly hit him with those ham hocks and put him out on the ground. The thing is that Mir?s dangerous and explosive and he could very easily end up with another leg submission and there goes his new found title.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Do you still wrestle at all? Is there any chance we?ll see you in the WWE one day?

Josh Barnett: I don?t have any interest necessarily in wrestling in the states so much, but I continue to wrestle over in Japan for the IGF on a fairly regular basis ? at least four matches maybe five matches a year. I even have student named Eric Hammer I have working over there, too. In my mind, whether I?m over there in Japan in the IGF or in the ring in Affliction, they?re all pro wrestling to me. I?m fighting for the entertainment of the fans.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): What are some of the differences with fighting over in Japan as opposed to the states? And which do you prefer?

Josh Barnett: I in general prefer to fight in Japan. I?ve been doing it for a while. The way everything is put together with the promotion, there?s a lot less hassle. Even just some of the simpler things in terms of there?s food and blankets and pillows and mats and everything and it?s all laid out for you backstage. They just really make sure that the fighter is taken care of and that they?re as comfortable as they can be to fight the best fight that they can. But also, I love the events themselves. They seem bigger and larger than life.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): After you defeated Rizzo in July, Mirko Cro Cop is now the only man you have faced in your career that you haven?t beat. Is a fourth fight with him and a win over him something that?s important to you for your legacy?

Josh Barnett: Uh, I don?t really know. Sure I would love to beat him. I would love to have a win over him ? a very decisive, clear cut, you know, straight up finish. But it seemed to me that it was always a bad omen fighting Cro Cop. Whether it was dislocating my shoulder, to anything else that may have impeded my ability to be at my best. And that guy, when I fought him he was amazing. He fought incredible fights and he was a world champion. He?s tough. He?s tough as nails when he?s on. And a win like that would always look good on my record.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Where do you see yourself on the list of top heavyweights in the world?

Josh Barnett: I don?t give a shit about rankings. I just take a look at the list, you know, it doesn?t matter where they place, I just know I can beat them all.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Is there bad blood between you and the UFC and is there ever a chance we?ll see you back there? I mean, you never really lost your title.

Josh Barnett: Right, well I don?t see it happening anytime soon, especially with the way that I?m able to fight in different organizations as it is right now. Dana White or whoever else it is out there seems to have a real issue with me beyond business. It doesn?t matter who I like or dislike in terms of what organization. I just know that when it comes to doing business, I do business unless you are unethical or try to do something grievous to me through the rest of the contract or through business, then we can?t work together. But I don?t have to like anybody, I just have to do my job.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Do you want to make a prediction for the fight against Yvel?

Josh Barnett: Sure, I predict that Gilbert is going to be wishing he left his finger in the dike instead of coming over here and getting in the ring with me.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): (Laughs) Nice, thanks man. It was an honor getting a chance to talk with you. Is there anything else you want to talk about or anybody you?d like to thank?

Josh Barnett: Just my Web site and my MySpace page.

James Iannotti (MMAmania.com): Cool. Thanks again Josh and good luck to you in the future.

Josh Barnett: Thank you, too.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on February 09, 2009, 08:21:38 AM
Strikeforce are legit

And just got a whole lot better... 8)

The fight game can change in the blink of an eye. In ProElite?s case, 14 seconds -- the time it took Seth Petruzelli to knock out Kevin ?Kimbo Slice? Ferguson -- marked the unofficial end to the company?s top promotion, EliteXC.

In the months that followed, negotiations were fast and furious, as a number of rival promoters looked to swoop in on ProElite?s assets. News broke late last week that Strikeforce had won the lottery while also landing a deal with Showtime.

Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker discussed the intricacies of the deal during a recent installment of ?Beatdown? on the Sherdog Radio Network.

?It was a complicated deal in the sense that we needed to come out and hammer the deal out with ProElite and make sure they were happy and make sure CBS and Showtime were happy,? Coker said. ?Then CBS and Showtime had to have some type of business resolution with ProElite. So it was a triangle, not just doing business with one-on-one entities.?

Coker expects ProElite to continue conducting business with smaller promotions.

?At the end of the day for Pro Elite, they?re going to continue doing business, it sounds like, with King of the Cage,? Coker said. ?I think we only took 42 of the fighters, so they?ll have about 100 fighters that will still be able to fight for King of the Cage or Icon Sport or Cage Rage or Rumble on the Rock.?

Maintaining a strong relationship with CBS and Showtime seems vitally important to the Strikeforce CEO.

?[As for] CBS and Showtime, we?re going to do our best to provide them with the best fights we can put together and do the matchups with the assets we took from ProElite and the roster we currently have,? Coker said. ?I think we?re going to have some compelling matchups.?

The deal Strikeforce struck with CBS and Showtime includes promoting up to 16 live fight cards, with four of those airing on CBS. Strikeforce could double its output from 2008, when it only put on eight shows. The 42 fighter contracts acquired include some of the bigger names available, many of which will be on display at Strikeforce?s scheduled April 11 show.

?You can imagine the top 10 -- the Frank Shamrocks, the Robbie Lawlers, the Gina Caranos and the Kimbo Slices of the world, all the way down to some of the guys we thought were the up-and-coming stars of the future,? Coker said. ?We went down the roster with a couple of my teammates, and we said, ?What do you think about this guy? What about this guy?? Not just the top tier guys ? we took some of the fighters we thought would be helpful in continuing to grow Strikeforce.?


Showtime representatives also had input.

?Some of the fighters were people you?ve already seen on Showtime, and they wanted to have a certain continuity with their fans and the fighters that fought on Showtime,? Coker said. ?That was also a factor.?

Strikeforce already announced one matchup for the April 11 show -- a middleweight bout pairing knockout artists Scott Smith and Benji Radach. Shamrock, the former Strikeforce middleweight champion, has also been booked, although an opponent has not been named.

Coker admits the fighter contracts have the potential to become problematic. Similar to the deal in which the UFC bought Pride Fighting Championships in 2007, questions remain as to whether or not the ProElite contracts are transferable.

?I talked to -- before we did the deal -- the attorneys, and the attorneys feel we have a strong position to have the contracts transferable,? Coker said. ?To me, it?s very simple; there could be a legal remedy or there could be a business remedy. I?m all about creating a business remedy. If you guys know anyone I?ve done business with, it?s never with a hammer over the head. I want to be in business with people that want to be in business with me, and I think that we just increased our brand and ability to grow the sport with this distribution deal we obtained. That?s really my opinion.?

The increased workload for the San Jose, Calif.-based promotion will require some changes to the way it does business, but Coker does not see the need for any drastic moves.

?We?ll hire a few more key employees,? Coker said, ?but I?m not going to hire 100 people just to have this guy or that guy. There will be a certain amount of people we?ll need to strategically employ to execute this plan, but promoting eight fights a year with the team we had was very doable. We probably could?ve done one a month. We just didn?t need to do one a month last year. Going to 12 or 16, we could hire a couple of people and get it done.?

Coker has learned from the mistakes of others.

?You?ve seen what happened with some of these companies that have blown up and hired a zillion people and two years later are out of business,? he said. ?We have to be smart with what we?re doing. All these decisions will be based on sound business decisions based on how we?re doing and how we?re able to produce these events and profit-and-loss statements. Those will all be a determining factor of how fast we?ll expand.?

Will Strikeforce promote more events outside its home base in San Jose?

?That?s a good question,? Coker said. ?We?re going to be meeting with everyone in New York at the end of this month and lay out the whole year. I think that we will do fights on the West Coast, probably in the Seattle region. We?ll probably go back to the [Playboy] Mansion because the Mansion fight is a lot of fun. I understand, with the amount of shows we?re going to need to do, we?re going to have to go on the road. We?ve had offers from different casinos around the country to do fights, and I think we?re going to take up those offers at this point.?

With the acquisition of 42 fighter contracts and the television deal with CBS and Showtime, Strikeforce has set itself up as the strongest competitor to date for the UFC. Unlike some of his predecessors, Coker does not expect his relationship with UFC President Dana White to change much. The two remain cordial.

?He?s always been very nice to me,? Coker said. ?We?ve always had a good relationship. There?s never been any bad talk. I think the issue was with companies before that came out and called UFC out saying our fighters were better than your fighters or saying this is better. You?re not going to hear that from us. That?s not what we?re about.?

Coker has a deep respect for what White and Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta have done for the sport of mixed martial arts.

?They built the industry here in America,? Coker said. ?Would we be talking right now if they didn?t do that deal and UFC didn?t spend the money to build it? Probably not. I?m very respectful of that, and I know where they?re at in the marketplace today. We just want to run our business and do what we do and be a profitable company and do amazing fights and do our part. That?s really the goal.?


http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/strikeforce-ceo-talks-proelite-showtime-fighter-acquisitions-16122


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on February 10, 2009, 09:37:19 AM
It's definatly going to make UFC & Affliction up their game.

Main event for their April 11th show has been announced and it's a big one, Frank Shamrock vs Nick Diaz!!! It should be brilliant.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on March 02, 2009, 06:49:58 PM
A fight sure to peak the interests of wrestling fans as well as MMA ones:

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Former WWE superstar Bobby Lashley?s opponent for ?March Badness? ? a hybrid mixed martial arts and boxing event being put on by former boxing champion Roy Jones Jr. ? will be none other than UFC Hall-of-Famer Ken Shamrock (27-13-2), according to BloodyElbow.com.

The pay-per-view (PPV) event will take place at the Pensacola Civic Center in Pensacola, Fla., on March 21.

Lashley is an absolute monster, weighing in right around the 265-pound heavyweight limit for his fights. He destroyed Joshua Franklin in under a minute during his MMA debut last December with devastating takedowns and a ground-and-pound that opened up a nasty fight ending gash on Franklin?s head.

One of the newest members of the prestigious American Top Team, Lashley has a rare blend of size, freakish athleticism and blazing quickness. He?s going to be a handful for anybody in a fight, let alone a 45-year-old man who?s lost 8 of his last 11 contests and hasn?t beaten a decent heavyweight since submitting Bas Rutten nearly 14 years ago.

?The World?s Most Dangerous Man? managed to win his most recent fight a couple of weeks ago over Ross Clifton at WarGods: ?The Valentine?s Eve Massacre;? however Ross Clifton isn?t exactly comparable to a Goliath like Bobby Lashley.

The truth is, this is probably a more difficult match-up for Shamrock than even Kimbo Slice was when they were scheduled to lock horns last October, simply because of Lashley?s versatility as a decorated amateur wrestler and his overall explosiveness.

Shamrock pulled out of that scheduled match with Slice on fight night due to a cut sustained in warm-ups, and has since been accused by younger brother Frank of cutting himself to get out of the fight.

Regardless of whether or not that?s true, the fact is that Shamrock hasn?t seen action inside a cage or ring against a guy as big and as dangerous as Lashley in a long time. This one could get ugly.

Also expected to be in action is the man who put an end to the Kimbo Slice hype train last October with a 14-second technical knockout, Seth Petruzelli. He?ll lock horns with ex-WEC 205 pound champion Doug ?The Rhino? Marshall. Top heavyweights Roy ?Big Country? Nelson and Jeff ?The Snowman? Monson will also collide in a featured MMA fight as well.

The boxing portion of the event will be headlined by Roy Jones Jr. taking on Omar Sheika.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on March 02, 2009, 07:18:46 PM
Good fight for promotional purposes.

I predict Lashley by murder! Can't believe Shamrock would even accept this fight.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on March 02, 2009, 07:22:36 PM
WOW, This is going to be awesome!


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on March 02, 2009, 07:23:32 PM
Anybody catch WEC last night?

I promise they are rivaling UFC as my favorite promotion. I love watching these lower weights in action.

great fights last night all around.

Mike Brown is a fucking relentless beast!


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on March 06, 2009, 07:31:53 AM
?I?ve done a lot of firsts. I was the first heavyweight champ of MMA and first foreign champ in Japan. This is the first time two champions (Jones and Shamrock) in their individual sports, at this level, will be fighting on the same card ? boxing and MMA. I think it?s the way of the future and it?s happening now. Lashley got things going in wrestling and then the WWE. Now he?s in MMA. He?s very good. I think he?s 270-pounds of muscle ? quick, explosive and strong. The area he lacks, gound skills, he makes up for with his strength and ability to move on the ground. He can really move on his feet. This isn?t a fat guy laying on his back.?

UFC Hall-of-Famer Ken Shamrock (27-13-2) prepares for his upcoming bout against former WWE superstar Bobby Lashley at ?March Badness? ? a hybrid mixed martial arts and boxing event being put on by former boxing champion Roy Jones Jr. live on pay-per-view (PPV) from the Pensacola Civic Center in Pensacola, Fla., on March 21. ?The World?s Most Dangerous Man? is coming off his first win in almost five years at Wargods ?Valentine?s Eve Massacre? where he harpooned Ross Clifton early in round one. Shammy doesn?t anticipate the same level of resistance from Lashley - though it may not matter once the hulking behemoth gets his hands on the 45-year old MMA pioneer.


Says it all really, first win, against a scrub, and in nearly five years, and its not for lack of fights, name value alone and the fact that they are two former WWE stars makes this seem entertaining on paper but it looks like it should be easy for Lashley.  But, Shamrock has great leg locks, there are a lot of similiarities between this and the Mir vs Lesnar encounter.  It'll be fun anyway, no matter how short the fight ends up being.

As for WEC dude, never seen much simply because we don't get it on tv over here so I would need to download it and between all the wrestling I download and classic MMA and UFC Prelims I don't really have the time to be honest, I would like to give it a try if only for Frank Mir's much praised commentary.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on March 11, 2009, 05:36:52 PM
Just saw where TapouT founder Mask got killed in a hit and run car crash.


Damn

RIP


I loved that guy


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: C0ma on March 12, 2009, 04:26:48 PM
That is terrible news. I met him at a Show in Vegas and he couldn't have been nicer.
Those guys have done alot for the sport (and fighters in General) RIP

FYI... this is the car:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.frame&page=1


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on March 12, 2009, 07:35:35 PM
Well no cut excuse, this time it's a suspension. Ken Shamrock has tested positive for several banned steroid substances and has been banned for 1 year. He is planning an appeal but is likely to be rejected. So Lashley/Shamrock is now off but Lashley is still set to fight there and is looking for an opponant.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on March 13, 2009, 07:58:01 AM
Well no cut excuse, this time it's a suspension. Ken Shamrock has tested positive for several banned steroid substances and has been banned for 1 year. He is planning an appeal but is likely to be rejected. So Lashley/Shamrock is now off but Lashley is still set to fight there and is looking for an opponant.
To continue with the "Former WWE Star" vs "Former WWE Star" theme, get Sean O'Haire in the jobber role, less name value but just like Shamrock they'll be sure he'll lose and it'll make Lashley look good, which was clearly the plan.  If not, Bart Gunn, although he is slightly more competent than O'Haire.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on March 13, 2009, 06:28:35 PM
Well no cut excuse, this time it's a suspension. Ken Shamrock has tested positive for several banned steroid substances and has been banned for 1 year. He is planning an appeal but is likely to be rejected. So Lashley/Shamrock is now off but Lashley is still set to fight there and is looking for an opponant.
To continue with the "Former WWE Star" vs "Former WWE Star" theme, get Sean O'Haire in the jobber role, less name value but just like Shamrock they'll be sure he'll lose and it'll make Lashley look good, which was clearly the plan.  If not, Bart Gunn, although he is slightly more competent than O'Haire.

Unfortunatly the organiser for this show isn't Vince Russo so instead Shamrocks replacement is Jason Guida.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on March 13, 2009, 06:38:42 PM
Well no cut excuse, this time it's a suspension. Ken Shamrock has tested positive for several banned steroid substances and has been banned for 1 year. He is planning an appeal but is likely to be rejected. So Lashley/Shamrock is now off but Lashley is still set to fight there and is looking for an opponant.
To continue with the "Former WWE Star" vs "Former WWE Star" theme, get Sean O'Haire in the jobber role, less name value but just like Shamrock they'll be sure he'll lose and it'll make Lashley look good, which was clearly the plan.  If not, Bart Gunn, although he is slightly more competent than O'Haire.

Unfortunatly the organiser for this show isn't Vince Russo so instead Shamrocks replacement is Jason Guida.
Ah-hem, Vince Russo would have booked Pee-Wee Herman  :P

In all fairness, considering Lashley has only had one pro fight, its a fair test, he should win if he is ever going to be a force, but Guida isn't a total scrub...well not quite.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on April 21, 2009, 03:11:11 PM
Colossal heavyweights Bobby Lashley and Bob Sapp are on a collision course to meet at the Gulf Coast Coliseum, Biloxi, Miss., on June 27, according to Larry Pepe of ProMMARadio.com.

It?s a titanic match up that is expected to be among several mixed martial arts bouts slated for the pay-per-view (PPV) event, which is being coordinated and promoted by Prize Fight Promotions

Lashley ? a former WWE champion and decorated amateur wrestler ? is fresh off a unanimous decision victory over Jason Guida at ?March Badness? just last month. Most expected the American Top Team-trained fighter in just his second professional fight to steamroll the journeyman.

It didn?t happen ? Lashley looked a bit green against Guida an his inexperience was clearly evident.

Lashley has recently indicated that his ultimate goal is to be a major player in the UFC, but understands that he must first become a reputable fighter prior to a potential debut, vowing to improve and work his way to the top.

He?ll have another chance against ?The Beast? on fight night.

Sapp is no stranger to the sport, as well as the occasional freak show ? he recently bested a character from a Japanese anime show, ?Kinniku Mantaro,? at Fields Dynamite!! in Japan on New Year?s Eve 2008.

The former NFL offensive lineman is a bonafide star in ?The Land of the Rising Sun,? however, that popularity has not carried over to the United States. In fact, the 6?5? 350-pound Sapp dropped his United States debut against 6′11? 330-pound South African, Jan ?The Giant? Nortje (2-5), via embarrassing first round technical knockout under the Striekforce banner last year.

Lashley and Sapp typically rely on their size when fighting, but neither of them will have that advantage on June 27. It should be an interesting sight to say the least.


This is a HUGE fight in more ways than one, can't wait!  8)


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on April 22, 2009, 05:00:56 AM
Sapp said he hasn't signed the contract yet but he is expected to soon, Lashley has already signed.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on April 30, 2009, 12:36:59 PM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/hulk-dream9.jpg)

Only in Japan (or perhaps Alabama).

In a bid to bolster their daunting ratings, Japans Fighting & Entertainment Group (FEG) are pulling out all the stops. According to their official website, they have constructed a open weight tournament which is being billed as a ?Super Hulk Tournament? for their DREAM 9 event which takes place from the Yokohama Arena in Yokohama, Japan, on May 26.

It will feature eight fighters of varying size and ability.

First up will be fan favorite Ikuhisa Minowa, who has fought every name under the sun (albeit to inconsistent results). He will be put to the task of facing off against Bob ?The Beast? Sapp who relies on his size when fighting and not so much technical prowess.

UFC washout Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou will look to get back to his wining ways but will be considerably outsized in his attempt to do so when he clashes with 6? 11?, 330 lb. Jan ?The Giant? Nortje.

Gegard Mousasi, who vacated his DREAM Middleweight title recently because he desired a move to Light Heavyweight, will face off against dangerous kickboxer Mark Hunt.

And 7? 2? gargantuan Hong Man Choi is reportedly set to do battle with baseball star Jose Canseco.

Unreal.

I still remain a little skeptical about Canseco?s participation. It wouldn?t be unlike Japan to have someone dressed up as and ?play? his part. This is after all, the same promotion that gave birth to the mixed martial arts debut of a Japanese anime character in Kinniku Mantaro.

It looks like we?ll have to wait and see though what will actually come to fruition within this ?Super Hulk? Tournament.


DREAM 9 will also feature the promotion?s featherweight grand prix quarterfinals.

The focal point of which will boast the long awaited return of 139-pound superstar Norifumi ?Kid? Yamamoto, who was offered a first-round bye in the tournament in hopes that he will have recovered from a previous injury in time to compete. He?s coming off a long 16-month layoff but now he?s finally ready to compete and will take on wrestling standout Joe Warren.

In non-tournament action will be highly regarded lightweight standout Gesias ?JZ? Calvancante who is set to do battle with Japanese mainstay Tatsuya Kawajiri.

And grappling phenom Ronaldo ?Jacare? Souza is slated to once again do battle with the charismatic Jason ?Mayhem? Miller, in a bout that will be contested for the vacant DREAM Middleweight title.

And although the card looks to be complete, DREAM event producer Keiichi Sasahara teased that there is more to come.

Oh my.

Here is the current line-up for ?DREAM 9?:

Featherweight grand prix quarterfinals:
Norifumi Yamamoto (17-1) vs. Joe Warren (1-0)
Masakazu Imanari (16-6-1) vs. Bibiano Fernandes (4-2)
Yoshiro Maeda (24-6-2) vs. Hiroyuki Takaya (10-6-1)
Abel Cullum (14-2) vs. Hideo Tokoro (21-16-1)

?Super Hulk? Openweight quarterfinals:
Ikuhisa Minowa (41-30) vs. Bob Sapp (10-3-1)
Jan Nortje (2-5) vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (5-4)
Gegard Mousasi (24-2-1) vs. Mark Hunt (5-5)
Hong Man Choi (1-2) vs. Jose Canseco (0-0)

DREAM middleweight title:
Ronaldo Souza (10-2) vs. Jason Miller (22-6)

Non-tournament bouts:
Gesias Calvancante (14-2-1) vs. Tatsuya Kawajiri (23-5-2)


Who can resist over the top fun like this?  :D  It's just like PRIDE  8)  Gegard Mousasi for the win!


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on April 30, 2009, 06:09:09 PM
That is russorific as anything I've seen...but by God it will be funny!


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on May 15, 2009, 07:29:16 AM
Sapp said he hasn't signed the contract yet but he is expected to soon, Lashley has already signed.

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BILOXI, Miss. (May 14, 2009) ? Styles make fights and the June 27 main event match-up between contrasting MMA fighters, kick-boxer Bob ?The Beast? Sapp and wrestler Bobby Lashley, features a potential instant classic of pure entertainment on the ?Ultimate Chaos? pay-per-view event live from the Mississippi Gulf Coast Coliseum in Biloxi, Mississippi.

The imposing 6-4, 350-pound Sapp (10-3-1), who played in the NFL for four years before becoming an iconic combat fighter in Japan, wants to brawl on his feet while the chiseled 6-3, 265-pound former WWE star Lashley (2-0), 3-time NCAA champion (1996-98) and 4-time All-America wrestler at Missouri Valley College, prefers to ground and pound.

?Ultimate Chaos,? presented by Prize Fight Promotions and Fight Force International, in association with the Mississippi Gulf Coast Coliseum, Treasure Bay Casino and Budweiser, is being produced and distributed by Gotham MMA and Integrated Sports at 9:00PM ET/6:00PM PT in the United States on cable and satellite via iNDemand, TVN and DirecTV for a suggested retail price of only $29.95.

Sapp starred as an offensive lineman on the University of Washington?s football team, winning the prestigious Morris Award, and he was selected in the third round of the NFL draft in 1997 by the Chicago Bears. Bob turned to pro wrestling after football and was later recruited by PRIDE in Japan, where his incredible size, strength and bull-rush style made him an instant fan favorite. He went on to star in K-1 as well as become an actor, playing roles in movies like The Longest Yard and Elektra.

?This fight is what fight fans want to see,? Sapp said. ?It?s intriguing and will be very entertaining. Bobby is bringing ?The Beast? out in me- I want to brawl. I?m the last person to say I?m a submission artist. I want to box. I?m a brawler. I?m going to come at him with my long arms and legs, punching and kicking. He?s going to come strong at me, trying to take me off balance, but I?ll come back with a straight right knee to his jaw and follow with a left hook. He?s never been hit by anybody like me. He?s new on the MMA scene. Bobby?s more or less a grounder and pounder who wants to slam me and hold me down. He?ll throw in some elbows and maybe some new, slick MMA moves. What?s left?

?I?m a huge test for him, which says a lot about Bobby. He has no fear of getting cracked real hard. It could be a flash knockdown or an accumulation of punches, which does worse damage and is tougher to get over. Bobby?s powerful, his slams are strong and he does have some pro wrestling moves. But I?ll be faster than he imagines. If he wants to be a star in MMA, he needs a more entertaining style of fighting, one that I?ve built by career on. I?m more of an entertaining fighter than typical MMA guy.?

After graduating from Missouri Valley College, Lashley joined the U.S. Army and was a 2-time Armed Forces Champion and 2002 Military Games Championship silver medalist. Two years ago, Lashley became a WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) superstar, joining Donald Trump at Wrestlemania 23 in a bet against WWE president

Vince McMahon. Lashley won the match and helped Trump shave McMahon?s head in the ring. Bobby made his MMA debut last December 13, stopping Joshua Franklin only 0.41 into the opening round, and March 21 he won a 3-round decision versus 37-fight veteran Jason Guida in Pensacola (FL).

?This fight is going to let fans in the U.S. know that Bob?s still around,? Sapp added. ?I?ve been fighting for organizations all over the world, in a ring, not a cage. I want to go at it and make all my fights exciting. I?ll be training 20 days in a Judo center in Japan (for a DREAM show there in late May) and it?ll be the first time that I?m only training for an MMA fight ? no movies, no television, just training everyday. It?s a great opportunity for me and American fans are going to see the real Beast.?

In a co-feature that could be the main event on most cards, former UFC title challenger and feared Brazilian striker, Pedro ?The Rock? Rizzo (16-8-0), takes on controversial Dutch heavyweight Gilbert ?The Hurricane? Yvel (35-13-3).

Dangerous lightweight Din ?Dinyero? Thomas (24-8-0), star of The Ultimate Fighter 4, faces former KOTC and Gladiator Challenge champion Javier ?Showtime? Vasquez; Canadian lightweight sensation Chris ?The Polish Hammer? Horodecki (12-1-0) meets dangerous William ?The Bull? Sriyapai (12-4-0).

Also fighting on the card are welterweights Brett Cooper (8-4-0) vs. Waachiim ?Native Warrior? Spirit Wolf (5-4), Affliction vice president Tom Atencio (1-0) vs. lightweight Randy Hedderick, middleweight James Orso (3-2-0) vs. Colby McMahan (1-0-0), middleweight Danny Abbadi (3-4-0) vs. Lance Thomson (1-0-0), and welterweight Eric Bradley (2-1-0) vs. Colin McKee (3-2-0).


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: pilferk on May 18, 2009, 02:18:34 PM
Maybe taunting your opponent by wearing a luche libre mask to the cage isn't a great idea, huh?

Took Lashley about 20 seconds to finish the fight with Cook.  Jeesh....why would you want to piss your opponent off and give him MORE reason to want to knock your block off, eh?  Hope he enjoyed the laugh before getting the crap kicked out of him.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Hammy on June 03, 2009, 07:00:19 AM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/TheStonedMaids/Trilogy.jpg)

WAMMA Heavyweight Championship bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Josh Barnett
Heavyweight bout: Tim Sylvia vs. Paul Buentello
Light heavyweight Bout: Renato Sobral vs. Gegard Mousasi
Middleweight bout: Vitor Belfort vs. Jorge Santiago
Welterweight bout: Jay Hieron vs. Paul Daley
Lightweight bout: Dan Lauzon vs. Chris Horodecki


Another kick ass card so far and with many more bouts to be added.  I really hope Barnett can pull off the upset.  I'd also like to see Buentello win but thats very doubtful.  There are so potential show stealing bouts in the other 4 announced, my favourite being the Babalu vs. Mousasi one.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: slash666 on June 03, 2009, 09:24:31 AM
I also want Barnett to pull off the upset, that guy is awesome firing on all cylinders.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on June 03, 2009, 11:32:21 PM
This Strikeforce card Saturday night is fucking stacked

Lawler vs Shields will be a war
Scott Smith vs Nick Diaz will be a war
Andrei Arlovski vs Bret Rogers will be a slugfest
Phil Baroni vs Joe Riggs will be exciting


Great shit, cant wait

and then Sunday WEC Brown vs Faber II will be AWESOME!

great weekend of MMA


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: makane on June 27, 2010, 12:35:03 AM
I feel sick.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: Skeletor on June 27, 2010, 01:35:12 PM
I feel sick.

Yep. When I saw Fedor in that triangle, it almost felt like watching someone close to me IRL get pummelled :P Just such an unreal feeling to actually see Fedor at a point when he really is about to lose, and there's no way out. But I do hope he still has some fight left in him & won't retire very soon. The post-fight comments do indicate he's still going to be around for a while yet...


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: makane on June 29, 2010, 06:03:05 AM
He's got one fight in his contract with Strikeforce. Following logic Werdum should fight Overeem, but that's not really how SF works I guess.

They probably have too much invested in Fedor and get strong-handed by M1 to make the rematch with Werdum. Poor Reem, no one wants to fight him, and all this would of course make the SF belts look like a fucking joke. ffs last time Reem fought a guy who had just lost.


Title: Re: The MMA (Non-UFC) Thread
Post by: D on June 30, 2010, 12:01:02 AM
Ive never seen Fedor look that sloppy technique wise.. he basically applied the triangle to himself.

how about this weekend? Brock vs Carwin! WHO YA GOT?

cannot wait.