Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Guns N' Roses live FOH engineer Ken "Pooch" Van Druten talks about preparations for GNR's upcoming tour.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twmF-TuY8-s

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8RqB0_xVHc

pretty sweet...now we need an announcement.

that solo was soooooo bad!!!! BOY, they do need to rehearse. the rest was cool, but that solo, jeez, makes robin look like frank zappa!

HA  NICE !

At 7;50 we have DJ doing swet child of mine solo ! ;D

The second video has some snippet too.

From what I could understand, Ron is in the right pan...?

Cool! 


BTW we heard only a few seconds off a rehearsal solo, doesn't sound that bad to me.  DJ's been in the band for what, a month?  Give the man a break.

Wow great find! :D

and Richard in the middle and dj on the left?

Fron what i could heard i think that s it !

interesting and awesome at the same time!   can't wait to see the band back out on the road rocking out to these tunes.  :beer:

Great news! The ball is definately rolling  :beer: :drool:

Yeah, me 2.

If my memory serves me right  Ron was usually on the left in 2006/7. a bit of change?

depends on which way you look at it.  from the bands POV, Ron was at stage right, Robin was at stage left.  From the audiences POV, its the other way around.

I think guitar 1 was Ron, guitar 2 was Richard, and guitar 3 was Ashba.  Almost certain of it.

Which is stage right.

okish

"Right now we're in rehearsals, and we are gonna be here probably for a month and a half or so getting ready to do a tour."  :)

Now this is great news! :)

like till early/mid june.  :D

At 0:17 we can see an orange sticker on the GNR black case that says "JAPAN".....maybe they will start the tour there?  ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twmF-TuY8-s

If the audio is correct, yes. And yeah, I'm talking about the crowd POV.

Or maybe that was load-in day and the cabinets still had JAPAN stickers on them from 2007.

all great things about GN'R happens only when i am working, so i have to wait until get home to see or read the whole thing  :'(

That's great... does he mentions anything about drums??

"8 Guys + Axl" To me, that means 2 drummers!

hearing that awful solo it makes me wish Robin's guitar again in GNR...

and the drums drums drums drums...

he says
8 guys plus axl(beaten by SMF  :-\)

because they finished the last tour there?  ;D If so, shouldn't the tag say (to the) US?

and there's also a white tag but is too blurry to read.

I've listened to it, finally

Well, it sounds like Brian (IMO, and i Hope so) on drums

Ouch, bad guitar solo.  :-\

Has anybody ever thought Robin put's his own touch to the song ! instead of copying note by note of slash's take.

I'm sorry, but anyone who listens to that guitar solo and thinks Robin's solos were so much better, either has a very short memory, is deaf, or retarded.

Ali

anyone who thinks every guitarplayers have the same feel, and try to play it exactly the way Slash did, is... well.. wrong.

Damn! Why couldnt Slash sound even more like Jimmy Page! Grrrrr!

Or just have different taste. Keep your ignorant opinon like that to yourself.

Nice clips offering some insight into the world of mixing a GN'R show.  :)




/jarmo

Ignorant?  Excuse me, but it is just the truth.  I like Robin a lot as a guitar player, but there was nothing about a snippet, I repeat, a snippet of a solo that MAY have been by DJ Ashba, that would warrant saying "man, I miss Robin."  Keep in mind this was from a REHEARSAL.  Not a live show, but a rehearsal.  When the tour comes around and you get to hear DJ play a solo, like the one in SCOM, then you can make a fair comparison.  To do so before then is premature and truly ignorant.

Ali

I actually agree with you, I thought you were saying that just to diss Robin's playing. Sorry for the misunderstood.

cool find, thanks 4 shedding some info on behind the scenes activities
- makes me appreciate a live show that much more knowing how much work & effort there is 'behind the curtain' so to speak.
good to hear the band rehearse & i can't wait to see it live & loud on the road!

Guns N' Roses Play Possibly In Chile In September 2009:

http://www.emol.com/noticias/todas/detalle/detallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=354668

 :smoking:

HBK *

what is the date of this video.cause i think this could be from 2007.and i also think that it is robins playing.if it's not then dj has the style down to a tee.

They had a different engineer in 2007 as far as I remember...



/jarmo

Once again, for what it's worth, this is from a blog that seems pretty reliable.  If this is true and related to the videos, they were probably shot earlier this month.

http://www.chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/

I just received word that Guns will be in rehearsals for another month, and expect to be finishing up toward the end of May.

Believe it or not, drummers Frank Ferrer and Brain Mantia are both there.

"Sweet Child o' Mine" sounds absolutely killer with DJ Ashba playing the Slash/Robin parts!

They're also rehearsing "Sorry" and "Prostitute."

I know I shouldn't because it's probably going to be a while until they get on the road, and even longer until the come anywhere near where I could see them but...

Those clips are getting me REALLY EXCITED! I can't wait to see my favorite band live!!! 2007 was my first show and it still stands as one of the better moments of my life, I am really looking forward to having another experience like that. I'm going to try and take in two shows this time around. Awesome!!!

Very cool to see how it all works.

I hope they add more then Sorry and Prostitute to the setlists.

Andy Ebert (maybe...)

Pooch seems like a really cool guy.  Appreciation for the folks in the way-way-back...he cares about us folks in the cheap seats!
I can't wait for the tour!!!  :beer:
...and are you guys sure the tid-bits played are new with Ashba? 

This just got me really excited! Hopefully we'll all be seeing GNR live in a few short months.  8)

To all those who think this is from 06/07, the Linkin Park DVD he is referring to was just released in November 08....


Things are starting to look damn good  :peace:

damn this band sounds so good. too bad he cuts DJ's solo when I began to do some air guitar  :hihi:

This video has me very excited to hear the new line up. I think DJ, Bumble and Richard could be a really massive guitar assault, and with frank on drums will be so rock! Can't wait till this tour starts or we get some pro shot footage or something.
 

that should be true cuz u can see the title SORRY on yellow color letters on the bottom of the screen right on minute 4:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8RqB0_xVHc

Note: watch it on HD

Good eye man... It's in red as well above it .....


Does that say "new" between dizzy and tommy? I wonder if thats for DJ..... Boy they like to keep us guessing  :hihi:

Indeed its say s  "new" ..


New kid on the block  A.K.A    DJ.  :hihi:

and now the videos has been removed from youtube  :no:

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by UziSuicidal LLC. "

I knew that would happen. So dumb.  ::)

Damn, I was an hour too late :(

Would have liked to have seen that.  Guess we wouldn't want to build any anticipation for anything ;)

Cheers,

Andrew

Yes but I believe Toby Francis was the main FOH engineer.

-= iZzbo =-

FUCK! I wish I would have saved it locally! Hmmm ... maybe it's still in my cache. I'll have to check.  But if anyone has it, don't be afraid to PM me :) I would owe you a huge favor.

-= iZzbO =-

I thought everyone had to sign a NDA?

F*** , Sh**, F********** !!  :rant:

Arrived too late...Couldn't see the videos. Sh** !

Was Djs solo THAT bad  :-\ ? I mean he's a pretty decent guitarist when it comes to his own material, how could it be so bad ?  ??? :(

For as long as they were online. Damn, I missed it. Any idea why these were taken off?

Who else was in the clip? Axl, Dizzy, ... ?

I wouldn't say it was bad, he just went off on a tangent that strayed from the original.

Another good news from GNR camp, I want to see them playing.

The solo part in the video is very short, but I like it, I would like hear the and the end of the song.


Totally agree

Any other places to watch those vids?? All I get is:

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by UziSuicidal LLC.

Just so people who didn't get to see the videos know, there's no actual video footage of anyone in the band.  It's just the guy talking about working the mixing board, and he plays SOME guitar, bass, and drums from SCOM.

It was such a short clip to make any assessments on DJ's playing off of that is ridiculous.

I saw it before it got pulled down. Pooch is really going to take this band to another level in a live aspect, he obviously knows how to achieve the GN'R sound, especially with the guitars. A big thing with the original line-up was that Slash didn't overpower Izzy and vice-versa , it was a giant wall of sound. Once Gilby came along that got lost in translation, and as far as the new bands it just seems the didn't ever have the right person to mesh the sounds together. It's not about getting the biggest sound for each guitarist, as he said one may sound thin on it's on but mixed together it's a big sound. I'm not sure who is playing the solo, but it didn't sound good.... I know it was like 5 seconds I'm not judging but it sounded like a horrible youtube cover. I'm sure that will get fixed before the tour. Anyways, Pooch  :beer:

I didn't understand a word he said--lol.  Like his attitude and sense of humor.  And not that I'm anyone to judge his abilities, I think we got one of the best in the business on the GNR team.

And there is a friendly and briskly atmosphere in rehearsal it seems.


I don't have such a quick ear to judge a solo from a split seconds in a demonstration of mixing.

As mentioned somewhere else, when pooch said he wanted the fans in the cheapest seats to have the same audio experience as those in the highest priced ones.......GNR has the right guy mixing them live.


 Great videos, thanks for sharing wile they were up.

Pooch is a great guy and will do a great job as stated above, I noticed a post on his blog which may shed some light on the begining of the tour, although it's really nothing new:

"Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 07:59 PM
Any updates in the world of Pooch? How are GNR rehearsals going? Did you see the July/August dates LP put up?"

As long as the guy is able to push Axl's vocals higher up in the mix, he will be fine

thought it sounded pretty killer

Yes, same ol', same ol' keep any news away from the fans.

What news would that be?

The name of the engineer?





/jarmo

i would consider the insight about how the band is being mixed for live shows as news for fans.
add that the engineer is talking to the cam....so in a way it was considered and edited together for getting out.
nevertheless stuff like this rarely is allowed to get out from the gnr camp as time has proven (robert john videos etc. etc.)

i can't believe no one has pointed out the likelyness that this might be on a live dvd as xtra material  ;)

actually i think this is mostly targeted to audio professionals and not music fans, besides the fact it was gn'r playing, it had very little to do with the band, it was more technical, and it's easy to understand that rehearsals taking place for a tour should be kept on a down low until the tour finally happens.

if the audio engineer did this without the band's permission i can see why the band would have a problem with that, but i do think this is all about "waves" products and nothing more, so i'm glad it's taken care of.


and yeah the solo was pretty lame, but we didn't see him play, he could've easily been distracted while playing that or doing something at the same time that took away his attention from the guitar, it's no big deal, rehearsals aren't meant to be perfect, nor open to fans or critics.

to demonstrate waves to gnr fans?


same old UziSuicidal LLC?  ???

I would presume the "Copy Right" withdrawal has more do with them "Uzi" making money off this, for example on a DVD as some suggested.

If it was against the bands will, then "jarmo" probably would have deleted this thread.

All this does, is make me want a DVD that much more :hihi:

I can tell when a downloader is exaggerating  :hihi:.

Exactly.


The fact that certain GN'R fans started over analyzing everything about it probably never was the intention of the clips. Like looking for clues where the tour is gonna start etc.

I get it, it's exciting to have an insight into how a band works.

But sometimes it can become a bit "dangerous" when you start getting your hopes up based on clues that probably aren't even there in the first place.


Over analyzing solos, that they don't even know for sure who plays on, but still use to attack the band members.....





/jarmo

People need to realize that the current members put their own style into the old songs. IE/ Buckethead - Nightrain

I know it's over analyzing but, this is positive, but does anyone think based off the clips that SCOM rythym will sound more like the Big Daddy version ?

well jarmo, we just love GNR, and whatever have the GNR name is interesting for us, we are hungry for any kind of news, if we find something that mention the band is enough, for me those videos are very interesting, I never saw how a mixing works, and was prety cool to see it, and I dont know how "dangerous" that can be, looking for clues about the tour???...we do it all the time, bashing band members??? we do it all the time....hope u dont delete this post

Not here.


It's quite ridiculous to start bashing band members when you don't even know who plays on it, don't you think?




/jarmo

I have seen it bfore here, but I agree it is ridiculous bashing a band member for 2 seconds of a rehearsal solo.

I hope this new guy means better sound stage. Judging by some boots (I know, I know), there were always someone left unheard in the mix. Often, Ron got mudded.

But one thing bothers me... People complaining about many musicians. Take a look at some bands like Rolling Stones, with tons of backup musicians. Nobody complained about how to take the sound of it. Of course, it's not in the same frequency as the guitars-vocals-keyboards in GNR, but still...

Take a look at all the bands who have maybe four or five guys on stage but use all kinds of pre-recorded additional sounds to make the live sound fuller.




/jarmo

those certain phenomenon people.  :P


Judging from the tour thread, only one poster is genuinely curious about it tho. Happens to be me.  :hihi:

It's funny read people complaining about the NEW band, even when the old band had a lot of more musicians in the Illusions Tour.

It's just a handful of people who complain over and over and fucking over again.  There's way more of us out here enjoying the fuck out of everything coming our way.  Can we tell these bitches to take it to the end of the line?

I also don't get those people complaining about many musicians...
To me, GNR can bring the whole orchestra and that will rock anyway!

Wrong.

Metallica, Oasis, AC/DC, Aerosmith or any other Rock bands don't use pre-recorded sounds. That's BS buddy.
Trust me, I saw Oasis once again last month, 2 guitars, Noel and Gem, and the band sounded like an atomic bomb. They were more powerfull than GN'R with twice less people onstage. They were EFFICIENT. Everybody had a large space, with is not the case with 9 or 10 people onstage. It was at the same place where GN'R played in 2006, Paris Bercy. The old band also didn't need 3 guitar players.

You know Jarmo, sometimes Axl can be wrong. Just accept that. You just can't defend him forever unless you're paid 1 million ? a year. I don't know how much he pays you to do "this job", I don't really care, you made your choice, but please don't say things that are.... wrong  :P

Ask yourself  question: why 99,99999% of the bands on earth have 1 or 2 guitar players, and not 3? Well... because it's not necessarry. Not needed. In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, Axl doesn't want 2 players because the guitar players would be too important. He prefers 3 in order not to have a Guitar Leader like Slash or a guitar duet. It's a question of leadership. There's no Star with 3 players, it's just impossible, none of them play enough to shine. None of them has enough space. It's more a backing band for Axl than a band with Axl. It's really different....

So just because you list bands that don't, I'm wrong?  :rofl:

U2 has used sequencers since the late 80s.


Do you think bands like Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails "play" every note you hear?


It's also ironic that Oasis and Aerosmith employ touring musicians. I guess having the five piece band isn't enough to reproduce the sounds live....




Good for them.

Did you ever think that it's not the same kind of music that GN'R does?


Yeah, Noel and Liam certainly need lots of space.

Isn't Oasis one of those bands who run around a lot on stage?  :P



I guess you wish Richard wasn't in the band? Who needs three guitar players right?  :rofl:



Axl actually explained (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=168) this to you, but you just refuse to take it in.





Axl knows way more about how GN'R should sound than you do. Just accept that.  ;D

You're not an expert, you're just repeating the same old shit you've been saying for years "Richard Fortus is the best, the band needs to make him a star".

He's great, but he's one of three (3) guitar players. Just learn to live with it.




/jarmo

Motley definitely use an extra guitar track and backing vocals


UYI band still had more people

U had

Axl,slash,duff,gilby,matt,dizzy,teddy,tracy,roberta and the 976 horns which were 3 chicks

11 people


axl,tommy,brain,dizzy,chris,bumble,dj,richard,frank,

thats just 8 and frank and brain won't play at the same time

Good point.

I never knew compression was used in a live setting. This guy is gonna be under some heavy stress.

Hahahahahaha, Nesquick.

:D : ok: :peace:

Jarmo, let's be adult, no need to be harsh  :P

Seriously, would it be a crime if there was a Superstar on guitar ala Slash? the new band NEEDS that. Axl is great, but he is not enough, sorry. The old band would have never been so popular without Slash. I don't see why it would be different for the new band. Another Star, especially a Guitarist, is absolutely needed.

There should be no separation between Axl and the band. In the old band, Axl was one piece of the cake, like Slash, like Duff, like Izzy and like the drummers. This is what we call a band. Equality. And recognizion for each of them. Why is it so difficult for Axl to accept he is just one piece of the cake?  :P

what about you. do you yourself believe that? especially when it's contradicting your other account in the same post big time.

It's not crime to have 3 superstar guitarists in a band.

I don't have another account, I don't know what you're talkin' about.
There's not even 1 superstar on guitar, so how can you say there are 3? Go to the streets and ask people who are the guitarists in GN'R.
They will say "I don't know".

the same is true with oasis or rolling stones or nirvana if you ask random people in the street.
"who's the guitarist of led zeppelin?" "Robert plant?"

I meant near future superstars. Or who was the superstar were you referring to?


you said only one guitarist should stand out and then said all members should be equal.

That's what the clueless people say. They don't take time to listen to and/or read what he says.

If a guitar playing/band expert like yourself did so, you'd notice that the song writing credits alone on the band's album clearly shows you how others were involved in creating the album.



Exactly.

This guy wants Richard to be the new superstar guitar hero while having a band of equals.

A bit contradicting in itself. One guy should be above the other members of the band? How is that equal?

The band has a bunch of talented musicians (including Richard). Some people just don't feel comfortable with anything that's not the usual "two guitars, bass and drums" setup.



But what do you expect from a guy who thinks Bryan Adams and GN'R would be a great tour......  ;D



/jarmo

If you want to hear AFD note for note, go ahead and throw your CD, LP or cassette on.

Seems easy enough to me.

Now a question presents itself to me....

nesquick, have you got your copy yet? 

He probably tossed it when he saw that his hero had ZERO credits and ZERO leads.