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Title: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 04:13:20 PM
Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern

To: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

When the nominations for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame were first announced I had mixed emotions but, in an effort to be positive, wanting to make the most of things for the fans and with their enthusiasm, I was honored, excited and hoped that somehow this would be a good thing. Of course I realized as things stood, if Guns N' Roses were to be inducted it'd be somewhat of a complicated or awkward situation.

Since then we've listened to fans, talked with members of the board of the Hall Of Fame, communicated with and read various public comments and jabs from former members of Guns N' Roses, had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame, read various press (some legit, some contrived) and read other artists' comments weighing in publicly on Guns and the Hall with their thoughts.

Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out. Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things... no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.

For the record, I would not begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such. Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine.

That said, I won't be attending The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2012 Ceremony and I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N' Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of "Guns N' Roses".

This decision is personal. This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective. Neither is meant to offend, attack or condemn. Though unfortunately I'm sure there will be those who take offense (God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout), I certainly don't intend to disappoint anyone, especially the fans, with this decision. Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around.

In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear. Nothing's changed.

The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba.

Izzy came out with us a few times back in '06 and I invited him to join us at our LA Forum show last year. Steven was at our show at the Hard Rock, later in '06 in Las Vegas, where I invited him to our after-party and was rewarded with his subsequent interviews filled with reunion lies. Lesson learned. Duff joined us in 2010 and again in '11 along with his band, Loaded, opening in Seattle and Vancouver. For me, with the exception of Izzy or Duff joining us on stage if they were so inclined somewhere in the future for a song or two, that's enough.

There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities. Until every single one of those generating from or originating with the earlier lineups has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion.

Maybe if it were you it'd be different. Maybe you'd do it for this reason or that. Peace, whatever. I love our band now. We're there for each other when the going get's rough. We love our fans and work to give them every ounce of energy and heart we can.

So let sleeping dogs lie or lying dogs sleep or whatever. Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense.

But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on. No one's taking the ball and going home. Don't get it twisted. For more than a decade and a half we've endured the double standards, the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types. Not to imply anything in this particular circumstance, but from my perspective in regard to both the Hall and a reunion, the ball's never been in our court.

In closing, regardless of this decision and as hard to believe or as ironic as it may seem, I'd like to sincerely thank the board for their nomination and their votes for Guns' induction. More importantly I'd like to thank the fans for being there over the years, making any success we've had possible and for enjoying and supporting Guns N' Roses music.

I wish the Hall a great show, congratulations to all the other artists being inducted and to our fans we look forward to seeing you on tour!!

Sincerely,

Axl Rose

P.S. RIP Armand, Long Live ABC III


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 11, 2012, 04:25:44 PM
As I said on the other thread, go and get a steak and go partying Sir Rose  : ok: You owe nothing to noone

And thanks to Jarmo for the quick release of that.


Title: Re: Axl Rose pens letter to Rock Hall: won't attend, declines induction
Post by: rebelhipi on April 11, 2012, 04:27:49 PM
i understand him and stand by him in this one.
im certainly not one of those fans who would be feeling that he dosent care about the fans.

this whole thing seemed a trying to get a reunion rip off and thats not what gnr stands for.. well at least for me




i wonder if steven calling gnr hacks is related to axls decision.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LongGoneDay on April 11, 2012, 04:29:46 PM
Not quite following this rambling, but appreciate it nonetheless.
Just in time! I was considering buying a ticket since prices have come back to reality.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 11, 2012, 04:31:04 PM
Hmm, quite disappointed Axl won't be there... but hey that's his decision.

Kind of puts a damper on me driving to Cleveland now... hmm.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FunkyMonkey on April 11, 2012, 04:31:34 PM
Short and sweet:

Axl Rose pens letter to Rock Hall: won't attend, declines induction





Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: gunnergirl on April 11, 2012, 04:35:28 PM
Hmm, quite disappointed Axl won't be there... but hey that's his decision.

Kind of puts a damper on me driving to Cleveland now... hmm.

Seconded.... :(


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 11, 2012, 04:35:44 PM
Good for you Axl !


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: axlrosegnr on April 11, 2012, 04:36:05 PM
I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: One.In.A.Million on April 11, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
Just read this and I have to say it has made me respect Axl more than ever before...

He has been honest, kind in his words, true and respectful, and that's all we can ask of as fans. I for one totally agree, with Axls' decision and know in my heart it's the right thing to do for Guns N' Roses.

As Axl said, there is innevitibily going to be bad press related to this letter, but no one can help that.

Thank you Axl for being sincere, true and a gentleman about this issue.  :)

One.In.A.Million


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CIAT on April 11, 2012, 04:36:48 PM
So it's just going to be Spash, Duff, Matt and Steven?

lol. I wish I had a video camera in all the old washed up bandana wearing soccer dad's bedrooms right now so I could see them crying their pain away.

I already got my reunion. Brain and Finck for life!

I'll still watch for the drama. Can't wait to hear Steven's induction speech.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AC on April 11, 2012, 04:38:04 PM
Awesome. Best thing posted on this board since he answered fans questions awhile back.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: gunnergirl on April 11, 2012, 04:42:52 PM
" Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense."

That's pretty much the heart of the matter isn't it? We all knew what we were asking, however unfair. Seriously, would you wanna go on a date with someone you'd broken up with 20 yrs ago....badly? Can't help but be disappointed tho. :-\


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Little EMO Annie on April 11, 2012, 04:45:03 PM
As I said on the other thread, go and get a steak and go partying Sir Rose  : ok: You owe nothing to noone

And thanks to Jarmo for the quick release of that.
I totally agree. thankyou Jarmo. Thankyou Axl!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Hale on April 11, 2012, 04:52:13 PM
Good on Axl & the band! 

Now come back to São Paulo please.  :love:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Derby Greg on April 11, 2012, 04:52:39 PM
Wow, Axl heard my prayers.

AWESOME letter, total respect. Love it.

GREG


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Silverchair on April 11, 2012, 04:53:55 PM
Not shocked. Knew this was coming. Axl has every right to decline. The Hall of Fame is a joke really. That is life.

I'm happy with GN'R right now. I don't need a reunion.

I love how Axl is the last true Rock N Roll star and people view him like a giant dick. No matter what he does people still see him that way. He could cure cancer and still be hated. I love that he's not persuaded or bought. Money doesn't buy Mr. Rose.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 11, 2012, 04:56:34 PM
I've always felt that he was not going to show up, let alone perform with old band members, at this thing. I do think it's cool he gave this explanation and didn't just leave the whole matter up in the air until the day of.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl's Favorite Mechanical Bull on April 11, 2012, 04:57:40 PM
I'm so happy!

Axl is cool.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Stardust on April 11, 2012, 04:58:02 PM
Great letter from Axl...

Totally respect the decision and understand it too...



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: sjgotnitro on April 11, 2012, 05:03:29 PM
The last real rock star  ;D

I'm glad he wrote the letter.

Fuck the haters :crying:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Grouse on April 11, 2012, 05:05:37 PM
Well all I can say is that my ticket for the Rotterdam show is up for sale right now and that I will not be seeing them until they actually put out new material. I'm just really disappointed right now that axl can't even be bothered to show up.
I was never expecting the old guys to play or anything I just wanted them to be civil and take the credit for what they've achieved.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bodhi on April 11, 2012, 05:06:26 PM
Great letter by Axl, he spoke his mind and the fans should respect how he feels.  Awesome of him to come out and end the speculation.  The dude is a true artist, he doesn't care what anyone thinks, and doesn't compromise his beliefs.  He is the real fucking deal.  Rock on Axl!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 11, 2012, 05:08:16 PM
OK, speculation time. Who is Armand (Interview with the Vampire reference maybe) and ABC III?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 05:09:19 PM
I just wanted them to be civil and take the credit for what they've achieved.

Axl did all that.

Chances are it would be less civil if he had gone there. Considering how civil some people have been so far.




OK, speculation time. Who is Armand


He was Tommy's tech on the American tours 2011-12.





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CheapJon on April 11, 2012, 05:10:15 PM
Well all I can say is that my ticket for the Rotterdam show is up for sale right now and that I will not be seeing them until they actually put out new material. I'm just really disappointed right now that axl can't even be bothered to show up.

fucking LOL.

Axl chooses not to attend a bullshit event = Grouse announcing he's selling his tickets for a complete other show. Brilliant.

More of this comedy!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 11, 2012, 05:12:26 PM
Well all I can say is that my ticket for the Rotterdam show is up for sale right now and that I will not be seeing them until they actually put out new material. I'm just really disappointed right now that axl can't even be bothered to show up.
I was never expecting the old guys to play or anything I just wanted them to be civil and take the credit for what they've achieved.

So you bought a ticket to see the current lineup but your attendance somehow hinged on Axl's appearance at this quasi reunion deal?  ???


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: stvyrayvhn on April 11, 2012, 05:13:49 PM
His choice, I'm disappointed.  

From here on out I will not have any real desire to seek out the band or what it has to offer.  I will move on in my own way to celebrate the legacy of a band that helped bring me through some "interesting" times (good, bad, and indifferent).  I will look forward to what the band has to offer but at this point it is a mere shadow of what it once was.  It's not about the individuals, it's about what the culmination of what the individuals created, it's the BAND.  They were a band that set out to change the world and although they did not change the world, they certainly changed the landscape of the music industry at the time and it was important.   But that time was 20 years ago... Since then I've become I'm a father, a husband, a leader in my own right as one of the driving forces behind a corporation.  I have things to do and people to see.  If Axl Rose cannot spare the time to rejoice and celebrate with the individuals that helped him get there, then that is his choice but I will remain forever disappointed.  

No you do not need to be friends with those individuals, God knows I'm not friends with people I knew 20 years ago.  But when I do see those individuals, I think about the good times we had because the bad times were 20 years ago and it really doesn't matter any more.  It's about moving forward not backwards but there's no reason to not celebrate the past.  

I will always have one moment that really really affected me... and that moment is the moment that really affected me in a positive manner this past year.

Good luck Mr. Rose.  I will see you when you on the next tour...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Buddha_Master on April 11, 2012, 05:14:48 PM
You know, I was hoping Axl would go. But, this... this is just so fucking Rock N' Roll of Axl. He really is the greatest. Never sold out EVER! Never surrendered and gave in. He has always been like this and that is what made and makes GN'R the fucking greatest. This very attitude on display right here. Thank you Axl. Just please PLEEEAAASE get to work on the next album. Pretty please with a fucking cherry on top. Thank you. I'll shut up now.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ITARocker on April 11, 2012, 05:15:23 PM
Well all I can say is that my ticket for the Rotterdam show is up for sale right now and that I will not be seeing them until they actually put out new material. I'm just really disappointed right now that axl can't even be bothered to show up.

fucking LOL.

Axl chooses not to attend a bullshit event = Grouse announcing he's selling his tickets for a complete other show. Brilliant.

More of this comedy!

I think you've got to respect his decision too  ::)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: feestybaby on April 11, 2012, 05:17:40 PM
Axl is the last great frontman, full of integrity and he refuses to do what he doesn't believe in. To many legends who can be manipulated and bought (Im looking at you Slash and you Brian May) ;D


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 11, 2012, 05:17:57 PM
Gotta say. I'm very disappointed.  People will say "it's his choice".  What does that really mean? Anything we do is by choice.  People make choices for all sorts of reasons, and some of those are good and others bad.  I respect his right to make a choice.  But I don't agree with it at all.

Axl didn't have to hug Slash.  Didn't have to perform.  But to decline the invitation outright is just bizarre.  The RnR HOF is an honor.  They didn't force him to play or to reunite.  The reunion talk was driven by music fans, media, etc.  The RnR HOF just invited  and inducted GnR b/c they are one of the greatest rock bands of all time and because AFD is their seminal album.  I wouldn't be surprised if it outsells CD on a weekly basis.  We know Greatest Hits does.  And the reason it does is because of the great music on it that was written, recorded and played by Axl, Slash, Izzy, Gilby, Steven, Matt, and Duff.  

Axl didn't have to show up and bash the new lineup.  It wouldn't have disrespected the new lineup.  But to decline because he felt it somehow tarnishes what he's built with the current lineup (which is an awesome lineup), is just incorrect.  I don't understand why he feels that way.   The new lineup would not exist if it didn't have a catalog of hits from 87-92 to play.  The past has led to the present.  All this induction is doing is honoring the past - a collection of musicians who came together at the right time and right place to make some of the best rock music ever heard.  It is not dishonoring the current lineup.  None of the current lineup had anything negative to say about the induction.  Why would they?

I hope Slash, Duff, Matt, and Steven attend. I hope Izzy does as well but doubt it.  Hopefully they are civil but it's hard to believe someone won't make a negative remark.  I wonder if Dizzy will attend...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CheapJon on April 11, 2012, 05:18:10 PM
Well all I can say is that my ticket for the Rotterdam show is up for sale right now and that I will not be seeing them until they actually put out new material. I'm just really disappointed right now that axl can't even be bothered to show up.

fucking LOL.

Axl chooses not to attend a bullshit event = Grouse announcing he's selling his tickets for a complete other show. Brilliant.

More of this comedy!

I think you've got to respect his decision too  ::)

He has every right to have whatever opinion he has and I have every right to find it absolutely hilarious and ridonkulous!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 11, 2012, 05:19:45 PM
Well all I can say is that my ticket for the Rotterdam show is up for sale right now and that I will not be seeing them until they actually put out new material. I'm just really disappointed right now that axl can't even be bothered to show up.
I was never expecting the old guys to play or anything I just wanted them to be civil and take the credit for what they've achieved.

If you have read Axl's letter and have concluded from it that he cannot be bothered turning up, then that is quite disappointing,.

I know Rotterdam well, and I admire the people who live there. They are normally studious and judge everything fairly and at face value .


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 11, 2012, 05:21:23 PM
Well all I can say is that my ticket for the Rotterdam show is up for sale right now and that I will not be seeing them until they actually put out new material. I'm just really disappointed right now that axl can't even be bothered to show up.

fucking LOL.

Axl chooses not to attend a bullshit event = Grouse announcing he's selling his tickets for a complete other show. Brilliant.

More of this comedy!

im actually considering more UK shows now... Axl's gonna be on fucking fire :headbanger:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Grouse on April 11, 2012, 05:22:32 PM
I just wanted them to be civil and take the credit for what they've achieved.

Axl did all that.

Chances are it would be less civil if he had gone there. Considering how civil some people have been so far.



/jarmo

Really? because because that's not what I'm getting out of this press release.
I'll just log off for a couple of hours and i'll log on in the morning just a bit bummed out right now.

fucking LOL.

Axl chooses not to attend a bullshit event = Grouse announcing he's selling his tickets for a complete other show. Brilliant.

More of this comedy!

There was a time( a couple of years ago ) when I could actually appreciate your posts on here Cheap, oh well  on to the ignore list you go.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 05:22:48 PM
TAKE THAT ONE TO YOUR MOTHERFUCKING HEART!

What an honest, open letter from Axl.

I'm glad he took the time to share his feelings on the Induction, and to support the current lineup.

The media will always do what they want. The "old" fans will always say what they want.

But there are a lot of us out here who fucking love the current lineup and just want to focus on that, and that letter felt like a major shot of adrenaline going into the next tour run.

"The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba." - Axl Rose

 :smoking:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: samoice on April 11, 2012, 05:23:55 PM
Totally agree on his choice.
Why go to a one night get bk to gather thing just to make another guy rich when it could then ruin all that he has done for the current band.
Also would you want to meet up with a bunch of people that have sued you ,  and bad mouth'ed you in the press?

Look at it this way. Axl is the employer , couple employees walk out, they start suing him and trashing him publicly. Would you want to go near them ever again or to be associated with you?

Least he did it respectfully and not trash the other ex band members during the letter to give the press more ammunition.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl's Favorite Mechanical Bull on April 11, 2012, 05:24:08 PM
This letter shits all over the Sex Pistols' letter LOL


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bodhi on April 11, 2012, 05:26:54 PM
This letter shits all over the Sex Pistols' letter LOL

Both in substance and grammar.   :hihi:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Nightrained on April 11, 2012, 05:27:03 PM
It's a made up ceremony that means nothing at the end of the day. No different to any other award except they crowned there's with a '25 years' rule to make them seem more prestigious


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 05:28:19 PM
This letter shits all over the Sex Pistols' letter LOL

True.....  ;D





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 11, 2012, 05:28:59 PM
I'm just going to say two things... the first being 'oh fucking hell!!!', and the second being 'Guns N' Roses being inducted without any one of the Appetite line-up is meaningless', and then I'll try to leave it at that. I know it's his decision to make, but fuck...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: HBK on April 11, 2012, 05:31:02 PM
AXL IS GOD MOTHERFUCKER ||@||@@

 :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

GNR 4EVER

 :beer: :beer: :beer:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: stvyrayvhn on April 11, 2012, 05:31:30 PM
I'm just going to say two things... the first being 'oh fucking hell!!!', and the second being 'Guns N' Roses being inducted without any one of the Appetite line-up is meaningless', and then I'll try to leave it at that. I know it's his decision to make, but fuck...
agreed...  See you on the Duff boards


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 11, 2012, 05:31:39 PM
TAKE THAT ONE TO YOUR MOTHERFUCKING HEART!


"The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba." - Axl Rose

 :smoking:

This is the part that I just don't get.  Forget the reunion.  Showing up is not a reunion tour.  Accepting the honor for your fans isn't a reunion.  And it certainly doesn't distract from the current line up.  Axl obviously thinks it would've but that's just misguided or a cop out.  The new line up rocks.  It's great. It's now.  But this was the perfect chance to close the door on the original lineup. Say goodbye.  And talk about the new lineup on a huge stage with the rock world watching.  By NOT showing up, he'll be allowing the old members to say whatever they'll say with no chance to rebut.  I think by not being there it will only make people wonder more about the old line up instead of giving him the chance to forever close that chapter.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: killingvector on April 11, 2012, 05:33:39 PM
Adler made situation unbearable these past few months. There was too much risk for Axl being around volatile, unpleasant people. It was probably the right decision under the circumstances.

Get ready for Kid Rock singing Paradise City.

Adler deserves a huge amount of blame; his mouth ran over any chance, however slim it was, for these guys to stand on stage together.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Dot on April 11, 2012, 05:34:45 PM
He´s got the right to choose not to go, however, this announcement would have been better a few months ago. It is a slap to the fans, no matter what if he or anyone think it´s not. I only hope the other guys do play with someone else doing the vocals.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 11, 2012, 05:35:41 PM
I'm just going to say two things... the first being 'oh fucking hell!!!', and the second being 'Guns N' Roses being inducted without any one of the Appetite line-up is meaningless', and then I'll try to leave it at that. I know it's his decision to make, but fuck...



This is the part that I just don't get.  Forget the reunion.  Showing up is not a reunion tour.  Accepting the honor for your fans isn't a reunion.  

"Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense."


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 05:36:37 PM
TAKE THAT ONE TO YOUR MOTHERFUCKING HEART!


"The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba." - Axl Rose

 :smoking:

This is the part that I just don't get.  Forget the reunion.  Showing up is not a reunion tour.  Accepting the honor for your fans isn't a reunion.  And it certainly doesn't distract from the current line up.  Axl obviously thinks it would've but that's just misguided or a cop out.  The new line up rocks.  It's great. It's now.  But this was the perfect chance to close the door on the original lineup. Say goodbye.  And talk about the new lineup on a huge stage with the rock world watching.  By NOT showing up, he'll be allowing the old members to say whatever they'll say with no chance to rebut.  I think by not being there it will only make people wonder more about the old line up instead of giving him the chance to forever close that chapter.

If you don't see how even showing up would have added more fuel to the reunion fire, than you clearly have never followed the way Guns N' Roses and Axl get treated in the media.

I don't think Axl cares what people "wonder"

If he showed up and spoke about the new band, he would have seemed ungrateful. He was really in a no-win situation with this, and I think it's just ridiculous for anyone to attack his decision not to even attend.

The past doesn't need any chapters closed. It's been DISCUSSED TO DEATH ALREADY (see the Dead Horse section here at htgth)

The focus is on GUNS N' ROSES 2012

Did everyone hear that?

I can break it down really easy, it's two parts.

First part: GUNS N' ROSES
Second part: 2012


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: WAR41 on April 11, 2012, 05:38:25 PM


Adler deserves a huge amount of blame; his mouth ran over any chance, however slim it was, for these guys to stand on stage together.

I am going to think a little bit more about this.  I actually think that Adler does deserve a significant amount of blame for this, but maybe I need to step back and look at it again.  

If there is one person I feel bad for its Duff.  He seems to be the only one of the band who acts how a "grown up" is supposed to act.  And that's not necessarily a knock on anyone else, just that Duff is the only person who I think could quit music tomorrow and still have an identity and be happy.  

It would be priceless if no one showed up now (other than Adler of course).  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: westcoast_junkie on April 11, 2012, 05:38:57 PM
Brilliant! Definitely the right thing to do. Especially the "I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf"-part.

Just when I thought there would be no good solution for Axl reagarding this whole HOF-thing, he makes the best of it. Of course there will be a lot of bullshit in media/fan-forums, but: The man make himself clear, and there's no need for further explanation. Let the bullshitters bullshit, react with laugh or ignoring and don't be caught up in it : ok:

Also, I like his mentions about who's inducted and who's not. By withdrawing his own nomination out, I consider it a major reliance (not sure if that's the right word) and respect for his bandmates. That's where his head his, not in the past.

And anyway, HOF IS a construction based on the result of business, not music.

Someone said it, Axl's not for sale 8)

Rock on Gn'R, hoping to be able to attend a show or two down at the continent this summer : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cyllan on April 11, 2012, 05:40:12 PM
Axl, I love you so much for doing this. You followed your heart and acted with integrity and, as a fan, I couldn't have asked for anything more. I have nothing but respect for the way you've conducted yourself in this difficult situation.
 :love:

Ironically, if anyone deserved to be recognised for staying true to the spirit of GN'R it's Axl, but various people and organisations placed him in an impossible position. Yes he'll get a lot of flack for this from people who can't see beyond their own selfishness but that's nothing new. He's being dealing with this shit for years.

See you on tour next month lads.  :peace:
 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Judas Fuckin Priest on April 11, 2012, 05:40:18 PM
I feel very dissapointed.

PD: If somebody want to delete this post, let me kno to post quite the opposite.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 11, 2012, 05:41:19 PM
I'm enjoying the thread. It'd be good to see older members views,, I see Loretian, KV, Holtz etc.. are on.

Interesting to read


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: WTTJ_91 on April 11, 2012, 05:43:26 PM
Not going is one thing, asking to not be included  ::) I just think that's a bit ridiculous. I think the world gets it, Axl Rose wants to focus on Guns N' Roses as it stands right now. He made it a point to say that Duff/Izzy/Him can still be more than civil, obviously Steven pissed on any hope of Axl feeling "welcome", and he just completely omits Slash from the entire letter.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 11, 2012, 05:43:57 PM
I'm just going to say two things... the first being 'oh fucking hell!!!', and the second being 'Guns N' Roses being inducted without any one of the Appetite line-up is meaningless', and then I'll try to leave it at that. I know it's his decision to make, but fuck...



This is the part that I just don't get.  Forget the reunion.  Showing up is not a reunion tour.  Accepting the honor for your fans isn't a reunion.  

"Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense."

I know this. Got over it a long time ago. Love the band. Can't wait to see them in May, and do not want a reunion. Plenty of divorcees are able to be in the same place at special events that involve both of them, though. Especially when it's stuff honouring their children (music).


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: StoneTempleRoses on April 11, 2012, 05:44:26 PM
I think this sucks, as much as it makes Axl look more badass or w/e if it's a lose lose situation for him, i think he should have chose to let everyone else win while only he loses instead of everyone loosing including him.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 05:45:27 PM
I think this sucks, as much as it makes Axl look more badass or w/e if it's a lose lose situation for him, i think he should have chose to let everyone else win while only he loses instead of everyone loosing including him.

I feel very dissapointed.

PD: If somebody want to delete this post, let me kno to post quite the opposite.

You're disappointed because something the media created didn't actually turn out to happen the way you wanted it to?

I think Steven Adler is holding a candlelight vigil somewhere outside Cleveland tonight, perhaps those other who were disillusioned enough to believe the reunion nonsense can all attend and be together in this time.

Meanwhile, I'll be rocking out to Chinese Democracy and reading about the venues Guns N' Roses will be performing at in 2012.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: snead hearn on April 11, 2012, 05:45:50 PM
"No one's taking the ball and going home"

Ah the tried and true expression of the playground / court / field. When you don't like how the game is going, go get yourself a new ball and find a new playground. Or, if we can't play with my ball-then no game.
Totally your choice man.

I'm attending the show in Cleveland. Been looking forward to it for months, most of all for the Faces. Always figured there would not be a cohesive GNR induction and now this cements it. I saw the old GNR lineup way back. I've seen the new lineup.

I think another old tried and true expression bears repeat here: "I'm getting too old for this shit".


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LongGoneDay on April 11, 2012, 05:46:28 PM

This letter makes very little sense to me.
He doesn't think the HOF has the right to pick whom they induct?
Who does then? Who is he upset got inducted?

He doesn't feel he's actually wanted there?

He thinks it's a misguided attempt to distract from efforts with the current lineup?
Maybe it's a distraction if you let it become one, but to think the HOF actually gives a shit about distracting the current lineup sounds like paranoia to me.

Anyways, I don't blame him for not wanting to be around people he doesn't get along with.
Little late, but I do appreciate the fact that this saves me some money and a trip to Ohio.

To say he doesn't care, and it's totally rock n rol and this and that, not sure where people are getting that from.
Sounds like he cares a hell of a lot, maybe too much, reading press, public comments by other artists(what the fuck?) etc.

Oh well. Hopefully the Faces and RHCP make up for it for those attending.
I'm sure Slash and Ronnie Wood could put on a hell of a show.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 11, 2012, 05:47:14 PM


And anyway, HOF IS a construction based on the result of business, not music.

Someone said it, Axl's not for sale 8)


HOF won't make any more or less $ by Axl showing or not showing.  It's a non profit organization!  

And all the posts about Axl not selling out and not doing things for money? C'mon.  When AFD went Platinum, they/he stopped being garage based rockers who did it for the of the game.  It became a business and they profited handsomely.  Do you think they sell T-shirts at their shows for charity?  Of course he's entitled to profit from it.  But to say they aren't in it for the $ is foolhardy.  Axl may be more "rock n roll" than most rock stars but he still is in it for the $ and earns a great living from the sale of albums, t-shirts, merch, posters, downloads, and ticket sales.   This had nothing to do with $.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 11, 2012, 05:49:02 PM

This letter makes very little sense to me.
He doesn't think the HOF has the right to pick whom they induct?
Who does then? Who is he upset got inducted?


I'm pretty sure this is one of two things. He said he doesn't want to take anything away from people who are being inducted, so it's either who wasn't being included that he's pissed about, or the choice of band to do the induction speech being passed without his say-so.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bodhi on April 11, 2012, 05:50:27 PM
Axl is doing what he has always done, which is not letting what others say or think influence what he does as an artist.  This is why we are Guns N Roses fans.  If you guys are looking for someone to blow the music industry, I'm sure there are tons of Dave Grohl message boards out there..


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: WTTJ_91 on April 11, 2012, 05:51:15 PM

This letter makes very little sense to me.
He doesn't think the HOF has the right to pick whom they induct?
Who does then? Who is he upset got inducted?


I'm pretty sure this is one of two things. He said he doesn't want to take anything away from people who are being inducted, so it's either who wasn't being included that he's pissed about, or the choice of band to do the induction speech being passed without his say-so.

In either case it's all center around who? Him.  ::)

It's not like they asked any other member?

Axl is doing what he has always done, which is not letting what others say or think influence what he does as an artist.  This is why we are Guns N Roses fans.  If you guys are looking for someone to blow the music industry, I'm sure there are tons of Dave Grohl message boards out there..

Axl is doing what Axl has always done, that is not even up for dispute. He never adhered to any form of institution. Although I don't see the point of making jokes at other artists expense, that have little to do with GN'R.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 11, 2012, 05:51:36 PM


And anyway, HOF IS a construction based on the result of business, not music.

Someone said it, Axl's not for sale 8)


HOF won't make any more or less $ by Axl showing or not showing.  It's a non profit organization!  

And all the posts about Axl not selling out and not doing things for money? C'mon.  When AFD went Platinum, they/he stopped being garage based rockers who did it for the of the game.  It became a business and they profited handsomely.  Do you think they sell T-shirts at their shows for charity?  Of course he's entitled to profit from it.  But to say they aren't in it for the $ is foolhardy.  Axl may be more "rock n roll" than most rock stars but he still is in it for the $ and earns a great living from the sale of albums, t-shirts, merch, posters, downloads, and ticket sales.   This had nothing to do with $.  

selling out and making a living are two different things where i come from


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: loretian on April 11, 2012, 05:52:44 PM
I'm enjoying the thread. It'd be good to see older members views,, I see Loretian, KV, Holtz etc.. are on.

Interesting to read

Nice of you to notice.  Thanks!   :)

Not sure if anyone but you cares, Mysteron, but I think Axl posted his feelings in a pretty clear manner and I don't have any major problem.  I personally have no interest in the RRHOF, and I don't care who they induct or don't induct.  Axl is the leader of Guns N' Roses, and it doesn't make sense to for him to attend a ceremony which is essentially not supportive to (and even detrimental towards) the band Guns N' Roses, even as they claim to be honoring it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 05:53:32 PM

This letter makes very little sense to me.
He doesn't think the HOF has the right to pick whom they induct?
Who does then? Who is he upset got inducted?


I'm pretty sure this is one of two things. He said he doesn't want to take anything away from people who are being inducted, so it's either who wasn't being included that he's pissed about, or the choice of band to do the induction speech being passed without his say-so.

In either case it's all center around who? Him.  ::)

It's not like they asked any other member? I agree with him not showing, but he really goes out of his way to make it seem as if everyone will think REUNION TOUR had he shown up.

That's exactly how it would have been perceived. It was ALREADY perceived that way by MANY just on the POSSIBILITY of him showing up.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 11, 2012, 05:54:41 PM

This letter makes very little sense to me.
He doesn't think the HOF has the right to pick whom they induct?
Who does then? Who is he upset got inducted?

He doesn't feel he's actually wanted there?

He thinks it's a misguided attempt to distract from efforts with the current lineup?
Maybe it's a distraction if you let it become one, but to think the HOF actually gives a shit about distracting the current lineup sounds like paranoia to me.

To say he doesn't care, and it's totally rock n rol and this and that, not sure where people are getting that from.
Sounds like he cares a hell of a lot, maybe too much, reading press, public comments by other artists(what the fuck?) etc.



Totally agree with this post.   Of course they had a right who to induct into their own HOF, no differently than any HOF chooses who to induct.  And of course he was wanted.  That's why he was inducted.  HOF is inducting the men who made the music that GnR is known for.   I like CD and love the new band but that has nothing to do with the HOF.  

My speculation is that he was pissed at what Adler said. He felt alone b/c Duff, Slash, Matt and Steven are kind of together while he's moved on.  He didn't want to face them and deal with the obvious tension.  So he decided to decline.  Money plays no part here, despite what he implied.  

I just wonder if Dizzy now declines.  And if he does will it be b/c Axl declined? And if he goes, does it cause tension in the new band?  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 05:56:21 PM
Some are disappointed because the idea they created in their heads with the help from the "supportive" media didn't work out as planned. Too bad for you.


All the ones who keep saying "Oh, but attending wouldn't have any effect on the current band". Are you that naive?

Ever since this thing was announced the whole focus has been on the past, the old band and how they broke up etc.

Also, you seem to forget who's been blamed for basically everything that went wrong with GN'R since day one. Some of you are the ones doing it!

You blame him for breaking up your dream band, then you expect him to show up and smile just to please you? Really?



This thing is not that different from having the media make shit up for years and then expect you to give them interviews and play nice.
It's all pretty much the same.

Certain fans are the same. They'll do anything to discredit and belittle the band, until they get what they are "owed".



Axl writes a letter expressing his feelings on the subject, then thanks all the fans like us who support the band and then some are disappointed and label Axl ungrateful? Ironic....




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 11, 2012, 05:56:41 PM
I just wonder if Dizzy now declines.  And if he does will it be b/c Axl declined? And if he goes, does it cause tension in the new band?  

Dizzy's got his own issues with the hall. Namely asking him for $3,000 for his ex-wife to be there...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bodhi on April 11, 2012, 05:58:50 PM


 I don't see the point of making jokes at other artists expense, that have little to do with GN'R.

I am seeing that some people on here would love Axl to be Mr. Nice Guy and play ball with every little thing that the music industry requires, that isn't him.  So I am pointing them in the direction of someone who does all of those things.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 11, 2012, 05:59:30 PM
All the ones who keep saying "Oh, but attending wouldn't have any effect on the current band". Are you that naive?

Ever since this thing was announced the whole focus has been on the past, the old band and how they broke up etc.

/jarmo

What did you expect. It's the past they're honouring. They're not claiming the present isn't happening... they made it explicitly clear on their site that Axl is fully committed to the current incarnation of Guns N' Roses. But when you're honouring the past, that's the thing that you spend most of the time talking about. That's how it goes.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 05:59:38 PM

This letter makes very little sense to me.
He doesn't think the HOF has the right to pick whom they induct?
Who does then? Who is he upset got inducted?

He doesn't feel he's actually wanted there?

He thinks it's a misguided attempt to distract from efforts with the current lineup?
Maybe it's a distraction if you let it become one, but to think the HOF actually gives a shit about distracting the current lineup sounds like paranoia to me.

To say he doesn't care, and it's totally rock n rol and this and that, not sure where people are getting that from.
Sounds like he cares a hell of a lot, maybe too much, reading press, public comments by other artists(what the fuck?) etc.



Totally agree with this post.   Of course they had a right who to induct into their own HOF, no differently than any HOF chooses who to induct.  And of course he was wanted.  That's why he was inducted.  HOF is inducting the men who made the music that GnR is known for.   I like CD and love the new band but that has nothing to do with the HOF.  

My speculation is that he was pissed at what Adler said. He felt alone b/c Duff, Slash, Matt and Steven are kind of together while he's moved on.  He didn't want to face them and deal with the obvious tension.  So he decided to decline.  Money plays no part here, despite what he implied.  

I just wonder if Dizzy now declines.  And if he does will it be b/c Axl declined? And if he goes, does it cause tension in the new band?  

Man, you really like to speculate.

Secondly, Guns N' Roses is also known for the music on Chinese Democracy.

I'm kind of sick of the 2000 Era band being an afterthought to the "get the old guys back together" crew

Go to the shows. People sing the CD songs. There are young people who go to the shows, and they know BOTH the new and old stuff. Yes, in most cases they heard the old stuff first, but THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LOVE CHINESE DEMOCRACY AND IT IS A PART OF GUNS N' ROSES HISTORY.

This isn't about you're fantasies of Slash playing Paradise City again with Axls hand on his shoulder.... snap the fuck back into reality. I think if you turn on your TV, you might still be able to catch the end of Slash and Fergie performing together....

 :smoking:



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: WTTJ_91 on April 11, 2012, 05:59:43 PM
Some are disappointed because the idea they created in their heads with the help from the "supportive" media didn't work out as planned. Too bad for you.

All the ones who keep saying "Oh, but attending wouldn't have any effect on the current band". Are you that naive?

Ever since this thing was announced the whole focus has been on the past, the old band and how they broke up etc

Axl writes a letter expressing his feelings on the subject, then thanks all the fans like us who support the band and then some are disappointed and label Axl ungrateful? Ironic....
/jarmo

I just don't understand how you belittle an institution and then thank them for the induction, that you previously mentioned want to have nothing to do with. Everything else I can understand.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 11, 2012, 06:02:03 PM
Some are disappointed because the idea they created in their heads with the help from the "supportive" media didn't work out as planned. Too bad for you.


All the ones who keep saying "Oh, but attending wouldn't have any effect on the current band". Are you that naive?

Ever since this thing was announced the whole focus has been on the past, the old band and how they broke up etc.

Also, you seem to forget who's been blamed for basically everything that went wrong with GN'R since day one. Some of you are the ones doing it!

You blame him for breaking up your dream band, then you expect him to show up and smile just to please you? Really?



This thing is not that different from having the media make shit up for years and then expect you to give them interviews and play nice.
It's all pretty much the same.

Certain fans are the same. They'll do anything to discredit and belittle the band, until they get what they are "owed".



Axl writes a letter expressing his feelings on the subject, then thanks all the fans like us who support the band and then some are disappointed and label Axl ungrateful? Ironic....




/jarmo

Man, nothings changed since the last time I was on here.  Every post until this one was about the letter and speculation.  There was no bashing and very little nastiness.  Why do you always feel the need to attack posters/fans instead of talking about the subject.  You take things so personally.  Just because someone agrees or doesn't agree with what Axl said or did, doesn't make them any less of a fan than you.  It's okay to not always agree with everything your favorite artist does.   Whatever. 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 06:03:43 PM
Some are disappointed because the idea they created in their heads with the help from the "supportive" media didn't work out as planned. Too bad for you.


All the ones who keep saying "Oh, but attending wouldn't have any effect on the current band". Are you that naive?

Ever since this thing was announced the whole focus has been on the past, the old band and how they broke up etc.

Also, you seem to forget who's been blamed for basically everything that went wrong with GN'R since day one. Some of you are the ones doing it!

You blame him for breaking up your dream band, then you expect him to show up and smile just to please you? Really?



This thing is not that different from having the media make shit up for years and then expect you to give them interviews and play nice.
It's all pretty much the same.

Certain fans are the same. They'll do anything to discredit and belittle the band, until they get what they are "owed".



Axl writes a letter expressing his feelings on the subject, then thanks all the fans like us who support the band and then some are disappointed and label Axl ungrateful? Ironic....




/jarmo

Man, nothings changed since the last time I was on here.  Every post until this one was about the letter and speculation.  There was no bashing and very little nastiness.  Why do you always feel the need to attack posters/fans instead of talking about the subject.  You take things so personally.  Just because someone agrees or doesn't agree with what Axl said or did, doesn't make them any less of a fan than you.  It's okay to not always agree with everything your favorite artist does.   Whatever. 

How come when Jarmo challenges something someone says, you say he is "attacking them" and "taking it so personally" but when the posters SPECULATE and just  make up what they THINK is going on, that's ok?

And yes, hoping for a reunion makes you less of a fan of Guns N' Roses than me for sure, I dunno about Jarmo ;) It also makes you wildly out of touch with reality. Cuz' yeah, Guns N' Roses isn't what it was in 1987.

Evolve already!

;)



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bandita on April 11, 2012, 06:04:53 PM
You tell em, Axl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 06:06:11 PM
All the ones who keep saying "Oh, but attending wouldn't have any effect on the current band". Are you that naive?

Ever since this thing was announced the whole focus has been on the past, the old band and how they broke up etc.

/jarmo

What did you expect. It's the past they're honouring. They're not claiming the present isn't happening... they made it explicitly clear on their site that Axl is fully committed to the current incarnation of Guns N' Roses. But when you're honouring the past, that's the thing that you spend most of the time talking about. That's how it goes.

And you got a problem when somebody isn't that into that kind of thing?




Man, nothings changed since the last time I was on here.  Every post until this one was about the letter and speculation.  There was no bashing and very little nastiness.  Why do you always feel the need to attack posters/fans instead of talking about the subject.  You take things so personally.  Just because someone agrees or doesn't agree with what Axl said or did, doesn't make them any less of a fan than you.  It's okay to not always agree with everything your favorite artist does.   Whatever. 


What was your old username?  :D


Damn right, nothing's changed. It's a fucking GN'R fan site.




Why do people like you always get offended when I describe what's going on among the so called fans? Too close to home?

The ones who seem to spend years whining and then they think Axl can't say no to the mighty RNRHOF reunion, but he can, and their illusions crumble again...





/jarmo



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Sillything on April 11, 2012, 06:08:41 PM
Integrity, as always. respect! Milan soon! :beer:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 11, 2012, 06:08:50 PM


How come when Jarmo challenges something someone says, you say he is "attacking them" and "taking it so personally" but when the posters SPECULATE and just make up what they THINK is going on, that's ok?

;)

B/c there's a difference between speculating or talking about the topic at hand (Axl's letter, HOF, etc) and telling a poster he's naive.  It's fine to disagree with each other on here.  That's what boards are for.  But why attack each other.  You like that Axl declined.  Great.  I respect your opinion.  While we don't agree, there's no reason for me to name call or bash you.  We can discuss the topic without putting each other down.  That was the point of my post.  And as a fan since day 1, I like very incarnation (didn't really like Buckethead though).  I don't prefer Slash to Finck or Bumblefoot, etc.   The current lineup is great.  You don't have to only be a fan of the old or new to be a fan of all things GnR.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: WTTJ_91 on April 11, 2012, 06:09:20 PM
All the ones who keep saying "Oh, but attending wouldn't have any effect on the current band". Are you that naive?

Ever since this thing was announced the whole focus has been on the past, the old band and how they broke up etc.

/jarmo

What did you expect. It's the past they're honouring. They're not claiming the present isn't happening... they made it explicitly clear on their site that Axl is fully committed to the current incarnation of Guns N' Roses. But when you're honouring the past, that's the thing that you spend most of the time talking about. That's how it goes.

And you got a problem when somebody isn't that into that kind of thing?




Man, nothings changed since the last time I was on here.  Every post until this one was about the letter and speculation.  There was no bashing and very little nastiness.  Why do you always feel the need to attack posters/fans instead of talking about the subject.  You take things so personally.  Just because someone agrees or doesn't agree with what Axl said or did, doesn't make them any less of a fan than you.  It's okay to not always agree with everything your favorite artist does.   Whatever. 


What was your old username?  :D


Why do people like you always get offended when I describe what's going on among the so called fans? Too close to home?

The ones who seem to spend years whining and then they think Axl can't say no to the mighty RNRHOF reunion, but he can, and their illusions crumble again...

/jarmo



Because you are no authority, as is no one else, to dictate how much of a "fan" someone is. It's as if merely PREFERRING an older incarnation of this band gets you completely shunned. It's seemingly impossible to many people accept that there are fan who bought Chinese Democracy, who caught GNR on tour, who would rather listen to Use Your Illusions, and who aren't hanging themselves up for a reunion. Maybe someone prefers Appetite to Chinese? Maybe Chinese to Appetite? If it isn't GNR AS THEY STAND RIGHT NOW then you are "living in the past"....


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: WAR41 on April 11, 2012, 06:09:45 PM

I think if you turn on your TV, you might still be able to catch the end of Slash and Fergie performing together....

 :smoking:



LOL, better than seeing the Indiana PPV concert Super Bowl weekend that never was.....


The dream is over everyone!  I was hoping for it myself, but oh well, life will go on.  

This all just makes me feel 1,000 times better about selling my tickets and making over, you guessed it, $1,000 on them!  Everyone pick Steven Adler for their celebrity death pools for 2012!



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 11, 2012, 06:10:57 PM

This letter makes very little sense to me.
He doesn't think the HOF has the right to pick whom they induct?
Who does then? Who is he upset got inducted?

He doesn't feel he's actually wanted there?

He thinks it's a misguided attempt to distract from efforts with the current lineup?
Maybe it's a distraction if you let it become one, but to think the HOF actually gives a shit about distracting the current lineup sounds like paranoia to me.

To say he doesn't care, and it's totally rock n rol and this and that, not sure where people are getting that from.
Sounds like he cares a hell of a lot, maybe too much, reading press, public comments by other artists(what the fuck?) etc.



Totally agree with this post.   Of course they had a right who to induct into their own HOF, no differently than any HOF chooses who to induct.  And of course he was wanted.  That's why he was inducted.  HOF is inducting the men who made the music that GnR is known for.   I like CD and love the new band but that has nothing to do with the HOF.  

My speculation is that he was pissed at what Adler said. He felt alone b/c Duff, Slash, Matt and Steven are kind of together while he's moved on.  He didn't want to face them and deal with the obvious tension.  So he decided to decline.  Money plays no part here, despite what he implied.  

I just wonder if Dizzy now declines.  And if he does will it be b/c Axl declined? And if he goes, does it cause tension in the new band?  

Man, you really like to speculate.

Secondly, Guns N' Roses is also known for the music on Chinese Democracy.

I'm kind of sick of the 2000 Era band being an afterthought to the "get the old guys back together" crew

Go to the shows. People sing the CD songs. There are young people who go to the shows, and they know BOTH the new and old stuff. Yes, in most cases they heard the old stuff first, but THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LOVE CHINESE DEMOCRACY AND IT IS A PART OF GUNS N' ROSES HISTORY.

This isn't about you're fantasies of Slash playing Paradise City again with Axls hand on his shoulder.... snap the fuck back into reality. I think if you turn on your TV, you might still be able to catch the end of Slash and Fergie performing together....

 :smoking:



There are older fans who just prefer the older music. They are now in their 30's and 40's. I am not sure your snap language cuts the ice with that crowd,.  :hihi:

Axl is wanting the focus for Guns to be on the current line-up, and the current music. He feels he has shown enough respect to older band members, and feels that what he has done is enough.

That is cool


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 11, 2012, 06:11:24 PM

I think if you turn on your TV, you might still be able to catch the end of Slash and Fergie performing together....

 :smoking:





This all just makes me feel 1,000 times better about selling my tickets and making over, you guessed it, $1,000 on them!  Everyone pick Steven Adler for their celebrity death pools for 2012!



Now THAT was funny. 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: volcano62 on April 11, 2012, 06:20:04 PM
Fuckin' beautiful! I knew Axl wouldn't let us down!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: JustWckd on April 11, 2012, 06:22:27 PM
I get the letter, I get the point of saying there won't be a performance or reuinion.  I don't get his rejection of the Hall of Fame.  That point makes him look selfish.  He (and Jarmo) can't justify it how they want but once again he comes off as petulant.

That being said, hope to be front and center again the next time GNR comes to PHX!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 06:28:58 PM
Because you are no authority, as is no one else, to dictate how much of a "fan" someone is. It's as if merely PREFERRING an older incarnation of this band gets you completely shunned. It's seemingly impossible to many people accept that there are fan who bought Chinese Democracy, who caught GNR on tour, who would rather listen to Use Your Illusions, and who aren't hanging themselves up for a reunion. Maybe someone prefers Appetite to Chinese? Maybe Chinese to Appetite? If it isn't GNR AS THEY STAND RIGHT NOW then you are "living in the past"....


I said nothing about preferring one album to another.

I'm talking about people who like the old band, only. And call themselves fans. Yet do nothing but belittle GN'R.



Don't you find it puzzling how often people who claim to be fans from way back seem to have the least clue about how GN'R has always operated?
They'll have usernames like "Old fan", "Fan since day one", "AFDfan1987" and so on, but they never seemed to realize that GN'R has always been about doing things their way and not playing the "game".

If something didn't feel right, GN'R never did it. Never.

Growing up, that was what set GN'R apart. They weren't making the same kind of music everybody else was making. They were different.

Nowadays that's a bad thing..... Blandness is cool.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: RancidPunx on April 11, 2012, 06:36:48 PM

I think if you turn on your TV, you might still be able to catch the end of Slash and Fergie performing together....

 :smoking:



LOL, better than seeing the Indiana PPV concert Super Bowl weekend that never was.....


The dream is over everyone!  I was hoping for it myself, but oh well, life will go on.  

This all just makes me feel 1,000 times better about selling my tickets and making over, you guessed it, $1,000 on them!  Everyone pick Steven Adler for their celebrity death pools for 2012!



What  an asshole thing to say about Stevie. Even as a "joke" that isn't funny. I haven't been on here in a while but I see we still have people who think bashing Steven/Slash etc.makes them bigger GNR fans. A true GnR fan might prefer a particular lineup but would respect everyone from Tracii Guns through Dj Ashba for their contributions to GnR.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
If he wants to "Distance" himself from the old band.. how bout releasing a new album with THIS lineup?

Take out Old band songs and replace them with songs from this lineup and CD lineup.

If u are going THIS far with it.. go all the way with it.

I hate to break this news to Axl, but when people hear the old stuff they are going to remember the band who wrote/recorded it.

This isn't going to change that.

Since he "HATES" the old band so much.. how bout having THIS band re-write the music to those songs? How bout no longer playing Slash's solos? Make up new ones. see how that goes over.


I'm not gonna lie, I'm not happy about this.

He can do what he wants but I think its bullshit.

my opinion, i can feel how i want to feel... break out the flame throwers, I don't care.





Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 06:47:43 PM
What  an asshole thing to say about Stevie. Even as a "joke" that isn't funny. I haven't been on here in a while but I see we still have people who think bashing Steven/Slash etc.makes them bigger GNR fans. A true GnR fan might prefer a particular lineup but would respect everyone from Tracii Guns through Dj Ashba for their contributions to GnR.

Yes, it's not exactly cool...




D, I see you flipped again.....


Why do you think it's about denying people of the music they love?

It's about going to some industry gathering congratulating themselves on their achievements at some kind of rock n' roll museum. And going there to smile for the cameras and wave to the crowd. Hold a speech thanking your fans, the record company, management, the Hall of Fame and so on for getting you there.

And be in the company of people you don't feel comfortable with.




Some people don't go to the high school reunions.... Some don't wanna hang out with former co-workers. Some don't wanna hang out with their ex-wife....

How horrible!




Once again. How can you be surprised or "disappointed" that Axl Rose is still Axl Rose?




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 06:50:14 PM
If he wants to "Distance" himself from the old band.. how bout releasing a new album with THIS lineup?

Take out Old band songs and replace them with songs from this lineup and CD lineup.

If u are going THIS far with it.. go all the way with it.

I hate to break this news to Axl, but when people hear the old stuff they are going to remember the band who wrote/recorded it.

This isn't going to change that.

Since he "HATES" the old band so much.. how bout having THIS band re-write the music to those songs? How bout no longer playing Slash's solos? Make up new ones. see how that goes over.


I'm not gonna lie, I'm not happy about this.

He can do what he wants but I think its bullshit.

my opinion, i can feel how i want to feel... break out the flame throwers, I don't care.





Did you read a different letter?

He hates the old band? and he hates them in ALL CAPS? that much?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Liquor & Whores on April 11, 2012, 06:50:49 PM
you reunion hopes are dead & buried.

well done Axl, I've been hoping that you won't go there, you never let me down !

I'm sure though that Steven Adler will be there with his drum-sticks 2 hours before the doors open... poor old guy, he'll get the heart attack when he finds out...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 06:51:39 PM
Haven't flipped

still like the band he has now but if he REALLY is going to take this stance. Then release music with THIS band. cement them as GNR

cause doing year after year of tours featuring mostly old band songs isn't gonna make people forget or give u the respect u deserve.

I don't agree with Axl on this.

I can't be fake and pretend I do.

If he doesn't want to attend, That is fine. That isn't what I have a problem with, but Having your NAME removed?

I don't get that part.

someone explain that to me.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Jeramy on April 11, 2012, 06:52:52 PM
I don't blame him one bit... I'm happy that he stood up for himself

He's always done things his way... people either hate him or love him for it.  Either way its hard to not respect him for having the balls to pull it off


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: vicariousexistence on April 11, 2012, 06:54:09 PM
yea, we know divorces happen.  but the children spend their lives w the dream their parents will someday reunite.  life is so much more fulfilling when the dream is alive.  i've been thinking about that possibility for the r&r hof since 2000, long before the band members were thinking about it.  i have thought about it daily, multiple times each day for the last 12-13 years.  now that dream is over.  there is no hope.  there is no point.  i'll call in sick tomorrow to work and the foreseeable future.  i'll try to find a point to all this.  try to find a reason.  likely, there will be no reason to be found.  just someone who is more talented than any singer/songwriter in history.  without his eccentric personality we would never have gotten the amazing music that we got.  but, it's so much more than music.  it's the best literature ever written.  it's the soundtrack of my life since the age of 8.  but, that eccentricity also results in times like this.  times when he cannot just act like an adult for once.  as i sail off and try to come to grips with wasting 24 years of my life i have to take a look at the reality of this evil world we all live in.  if i call you out of habit, i'm outta love and i gotta have it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 06:54:35 PM
Did you read a different letter?

He hates the old band? and he hates them in ALL CAPS? that much?

D read in between the lines while listening to New Jersey backwards at half speed with the sound turned off and sitting in a lotus position facing the magnetic north in a room that was set to exactly 20.76°C.

 :hihi:



Haven't flipped

still like the band he has now but if he REALLY is going to take this stance. Then release music with THIS band. cement them as GNR

cause doing year after year of tours featuring mostly old band songs isn't gonna make people forget or give u the respect u deserve.

I don't agree with Axl on this.

I can't be fake and pretend I do.

If he doesn't want to attend, That is fine. That isn't what I have a problem with, but Having your NAME removed?

I don't get that part.

someone explain that to me.


How do you make it clear that you want nothing to do with this circus?

Like that.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 06:55:17 PM
Haven't flipped

still like the band he has now but if he REALLY is going to take this stance. Then release music with THIS band. cement them as GNR

cause doing year after year of tours featuring mostly old band songs isn't gonna make people forget or give u the respect u deserve.

I don't agree with Axl on this.

I can't be fake and pretend I do.

If he doesn't want to attend, That is fine. That isn't what I have a problem with, but Having your NAME removed?

I don't get that part.

someone explain that to me.

D, you know better than most that it's not as easy as that.

What's wrong with Axl wanting to distance himself from the event and the entire thing? Does he have to care about the RRHOF because D does?



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 06:56:43 PM
yea, we know divorces happen.  but the children spend their lives w the dream their parents will someday reunite.  life is so much more fulfilling when the dream is alive.  i've been thinking about that possibility for the r&r hof since 2000, long before the band members were thinking about it.  i have thought about it daily, multiple times each day for the last 12-13 years.  now that dream is over.  there is no hope.  there is no point.  i'll call in sick tomorrow to work and the foreseeable future.  i'll try to find a point to all this.  try to find a reason.  likely, there will be no reason to be found.  just someone who is more talented than any singer/songwriter in history.  without his eccentric personality we would never have gotten the amazing music that we got.  but, it's so much more than music.  it's the best literature ever written.  it's the soundtrack of my life since the age of 8.  but, that eccentricity also results in times like this.  times when he cannot just act like an adult for once.  as i sail off and try to come to grips with wasting 24 years of my life i have to take a look at the reality of this evil world we all live in.  if i call you out of habit, i'm outta love and i gotta have it.

You should seek psychiatric help. I'm not even joking, please seek it, for the betterment of those around you and yourself.

Also, you check out a CD called Chinese Democracy, it's pretty good. I could send you a copy if you don't have one.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 11, 2012, 06:56:50 PM
It's about going to some industry gathering congratulating themselves on their achievements
/jarmo

One thing that Duff kept on coming back to in his book was how they'd never stopped to talk to each other and just congratulate each other on their achievements. He seemed extremely disappointed that this was a moment he never got to share with them, and it looked likely to never happen. I think if anything, the Hall of Fame for him was a chance for them to rectify that, and it would have brought some sort of closure for him (even if he doesn't admit it publicly), because it's unlikely to happen in any other way.

If that's the case, then I'm really bummed for him that for whatever reason some people have deemed themselves above these events.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CIAT on April 11, 2012, 06:57:31 PM
I have one thing to say to all the reunionists. Don't do it. (http://newyorkemploymentlawattorneys.com/files/2011/11/Noose.jpg)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: slashsbaconpit on April 11, 2012, 06:57:57 PM
Holy cow!

I'm disappointed in that we won't get to see Axl at the ceremony, but if I'm reading his letter correctly, I understand his reasoning. Everything written about it has been "reunion this" and "reunion that." I know people will cry about it and whine about what a jerk he is and whatever, but really it takes a lot of guts to say "thanks, but no thanks" to a huge honor.


I'm sorry, but I saw the new Guns in December, and I'm more excited about what these guys have to offer than trying to relive the past. I mean Axl seems like he's been really gracious since the nomination, and even in the letter he was careful not to tell anyone to fuck off. He's not trying to be a jerk, he's just not hip on getting on stage with his old bandmates. Which, DUH, he's made that clear all along.

I was excited for him to be in the Hall of Fame, and he deserves to be, but I think I get where he's coming from on this.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 06:59:52 PM
Holy cow!

I'm disappointed in that we won't get to see Axl at the ceremony, but if I'm reading his letter correctly, I understand his reasoning. Everything written about it has been "reunion this" and "reunion that." I know people will cry about it and whine about what a jerk he is and whatever, but really it takes a lot of guts to say "thanks, but no thanks" to a huge honor.


I'm sorry, but I saw the new Guns in December, and I'm more excited about what these guys have to offer than trying to relive the past. I mean Axl seems like he's been really gracious since the nomination, and even in the letter he was careful not to tell anyone to fuck off. He's not trying to be a jerk, he's just not hip on getting on stage with his old bandmates. Which, DUH, he's made that clear all along.

I was excited for him to be in the Hall of Fame, and he deserves to be, but I think I get where he's coming from on this.

This is well said. I think it's important to point out just the pure fucking balls it takes being as honest as Axl was in the letter, and making a decision like that.




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: MadmanDan on April 11, 2012, 06:59:57 PM
  That has been, by far, the best written press release I have ever read. It's like a short story, complete with the twist at the end , that everyone seems to neglect: he sincelely thanks the board for the nomination, therefore shifting the main reason for the no-show to the people making a meal out of it, namely Adler and  the press.
  He fails to mention Slash with obvious intention, knowing that if he did, it would had been the only thing the press would talk about, a new episode of the fictional "Axl vs Slash" series.

  It has been said earlier, the last true Rock N' Roll star !! I won't be a hipocrite, I was really looking forward to seeing the old lineup in the same room (I wasn't delusional enough to think for a second they would actually perform), but what a big FUCK YOU to everything that has made music turn to crap over the last two decades !!!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CIAT on April 11, 2012, 07:01:25 PM
Eddie Trunk is applauding Axl for what he did. He knows his shit.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 07:01:45 PM
It's about going to some industry gathering congratulating themselves on their achievements
/jarmo

One thing that Duff kept on coming back to in his book was how they'd never stopped to talk to each other and just congratulate each other on their achievements. He seemed extremely disappointed that this was a moment he never got to share with them, and it looked likely to never happen. I think if anything, the Hall of Fame for him was a chance for them to rectify that, and it would have brought some sort of closure for him (even if he doesn't admit it publicly), because it's unlikely to happen in any other way.

If that's the case, then I'm really bummed for him that for whatever reason some people have deemed themselves above these events.


And I don't think this kind of event is the right place for that.

Look at how Duff and Axl met in 2010. It wasn't some kind of media event... It was low key, just them. No big deal.

It happened.


Instead of being a media circus about reunion this and reunion that.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 07:02:11 PM
 That has been, by far, the best press release I have ever read. It's like a short story, complete with the twist at the end , that everyone seems to neglect: he sincelely thanks the board for the nomination, therefore shifting the main reason for the no-show to the people making a meal out of it, namely Adler and  the press.
  He fails to mention Slash with obvious intention, knowing that if he did, it would had been the only thing the press would talk about, a new episode of the fictional "Axl vs Slash" series.

  It has been said earlier, the last true Rock N' Roll star !! I won't be a hipocrite, I was really looking forward to seeing the old lineup in the same room (I wasn't delusional enough to think for a second they would actually perform), but what a big FUCK YOU to everything that has made music turn to crap over the last two decades !!!

This is another point in the letter that I think is really being missed and distracted from by all the reunion crap. Axl really seems to understand where music is at today, where the music "industry" is at, and he doesn't seem inclined to be a part of it any more than he has to.

He's fighting the good fight.

I think a certain someone once used the line "FREEDOM THROUGH MUSICAL INTEGRITY"

 :smoking:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 11, 2012, 07:02:21 PM
Eddie Trunk is applauding Axl for what he did. He knows his shit.

No. He just has a vendetta against the Hall Of Fame and won't shut the fuck up about it. ;)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CIAT on April 11, 2012, 07:04:45 PM
Eddie Trunk is applauding Axl for what he did. He knows his shit.

No. He just has a vendetta against the Hall Of Fame and won't shut the fuck up about it. ;)

Yeah, but he's right. The HOF is a joke and getting inducted isn't an "honor".

Has that vicariousexistance dude commented on this yet? Hope he doesn't take it too bad.

Edit: nevermind


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: vicariousexistence on April 11, 2012, 07:05:01 PM
yea, we know divorces happen.  but the children spend their lives w the dream their parents will someday reunite.  life is so much more fulfilling when the dream is alive.  i've been thinking about that possibility for the r&r hof since 2000, long before the band members were thinking about it.  i have thought about it daily, multiple times each day for the last 12-13 years.  now that dream is over.  there is no hope.  there is no point.  i'll call in sick tomorrow to work and the foreseeable future.  i'll try to find a point to all this.  try to find a reason.  likely, there will be no reason to be found.  just someone who is more talented than any singer/songwriter in history.  without his eccentric personality we would never have gotten the amazing music that we got.  but, it's so much more than music.  it's the best literature ever written.  it's the soundtrack of my life since the age of 8.  but, that eccentricity also results in times like this.  times when he cannot just act like an adult for once.  as i sail off and try to come to grips with wasting 24 years of my life i have to take a look at the reality of this evil world we all live in.  if i call you out of habit, i'm outta love and i gotta have it.

You should seek psychiatric help. I'm not even joking, please seek it, for the betterment of those around you and yourself.

Also, you check out a CD called Chinese Democracy, it's pretty good. I could send you a copy if you don't have one.

i listen to CD all the time.  i'm especially obsessed w better, SOD, and catcher, but i really like 95% of that album.  i saw axl and his crew in 2002 and in 2011 and axl was great.  i bought 10 tickets both times and convinced people i knew to go with me.  i did feel like i was watching axl and a cover band but i love all those songs so much that i would have had fun even if it was a cover band without axl.  i even blasted oh my god in college for months after it came out until my roommates wanted to kill me.  everything axl has ever done lyrically is greater than anything anyone else has ever done.  but, i have spent that entire time dreaming of this day in 2012 when i could finally see the 5 people who shaped my life come together again for the final time.  it's a kick in the face.  the bitter end.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 11, 2012, 07:06:17 PM
It's about going to some industry gathering congratulating themselves on their achievements
/jarmo

One thing that Duff kept on coming back to in his book was how they'd never stopped to talk to each other and just congratulate each other on their achievements. He seemed extremely disappointed that this was a moment he never got to share with them, and it looked likely to never happen. I think if anything, the Hall of Fame for him was a chance for them to rectify that, and it would have brought some sort of closure for him (even if he doesn't admit it publicly), because it's unlikely to happen in any other way.

If that's the case, then I'm really bummed for him that for whatever reason some people have deemed themselves above these events.


And I don't think this kind of event is the right place for that.

Look at how Duff and Axl met in 2010. It wasn't some kind of media event... It was low key, just them. No big deal.

It happened.


Instead of being a media circus about reunion this and reunion that.




/jarmo

This is very true, obviously. And what I said may have been reading too much into things after reading his book, and of course it might just happen in the future. Though I don't see anything wrong with doing it at a pre-arranged event if it provides the opportunity.

Ah well... at this moment, I don't think the induction will even be valid, as it will omit the lead singer. I can't think of any band in the past that has ever been inducted without the lead singer. That would just be stupid. So I guess that's one less thing I have to be thinking about this weekend....

EDIT: That's not meant to imply that any personal dreams have been shattered by the way. Just that I don't consider it valid to omit a key member from an induction. ;)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 07:08:33 PM
Eddie Trunk is a first class douche.. so don't pat him on the back.

he doesn't think GNR are a first ballot worthy band which is just fucking ridiculous.

Maybe the Hall wanted the potential Publicity but that doesn't change the fact GNR are an all time great band and deserve this honor.


I think removing your name from the band being inducted is too much and disrespects fans of that particular lineup/era which no one can deny.

He doesn't have to sit with them, accept the award, perform, but completely removing yourself from that particular lineup WHILE continuing to sell tickets and make money on songs co written WITH those guys is crossing the line.

U can't have it both ways.

Am i interpreting it different than others? I don't think so. I think its the ultimate disrespect to his former bandmates who helped put him where he is today.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl8302 on April 11, 2012, 07:09:33 PM
Good! I've got zero interest in a reunion, the band we have now rocks.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Old Cowboy on April 11, 2012, 07:10:26 PM
If Axl said, 'I am not going because the whole concept of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is idiotic', I would understand that.  This letter is unclear and ridiculous.  From what I can tell, he is pissed because the HOF dictates what members can be inducted.  Does he really think Frank Ferrer should be inducted or any of the current members?   The whole reason GNR is being inducted and why Axl even has his current lineup of GNR is because of Appetite for Destruction.  That album was written and performed by Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven.  Don't get me wrong, I have seen Axl's band 3 times and love Chinese Democracy, but this honor is based on the achievment of the original five members.  Personally, I don't think Matt, Gilby or Dizzy should be inducted either.   How hard is it to walk on a stage and say 'thanks'? If he doesn't want to perform with the other guys, he doesn't have to.  He doesn't even have to talk to Slash or Steven if he doesn't feel like it.  If he is pissed because the current memebers aren't being inducted or he wants to perform with the current band, I think that is insane.  If GNR had completely ceased to exist in 1990 they would still be inducted into the HOF.  The current members have absolutely nothing to do with GNR being inducted.  But hey, Axl has always done what he wants regardless if makes sense to anybody else and that is a big reason I am such a fan.  But right now, I am a disappointed fan.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CIAT on April 11, 2012, 07:11:17 PM
Eddie Trunk is a first class douche.. so don't pat him on the back.

he doesn't think GNR are a first ballot worthy band which is just fucking ridiculous.

Maybe the Hall wanted the potential Publicity but that doesn't change the fact GNR are an all time great band and deserve this honor.

Actually he never said that. He said that it's ridiculous that GNR are being inducted on first ballot and tons of other bands aren't. He never said they weren't worthy. He just said tons of other bands are, and should be in already. And he's right.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 07:13:04 PM
Eddie Trunk is a first class douche.. so don't pat him on the back.

he doesn't think GNR are a first ballot worthy band which is just fucking ridiculous.

Maybe the Hall wanted the potential Publicity but that doesn't change the fact GNR are an all time great band and deserve this honor.

Actually he never said that. He said that it's ridiculous that GNR are being inducted on first ballot and tons of other bands aren't. He never said they weren't worthy. He just said tons of other bands are, and should be in already. And he's right.

Read that sentence.. He is saying those OTHER bands deserve to get in BEFORE GNR which is ridiculous.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 11, 2012, 07:14:02 PM
They'll induct Axl anyways. Just look at the Sex Pistols, they inducted them anyways.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 07:15:10 PM
If Axl said, 'I am not going because the whole concept of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is idiotic', I would understand that.  This letter is unclear and ridiculous.  From what I can tell, he is pissed because the HOF dictates what members can be inducted.  Does he really think Frank Ferrer should be inducted or any of the current members?   The whole reason GNR is being inducted and why Axl even has his current lineup of GNR is because of Appetite for Destruction.  That album was written and performed by Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven.  Don't get me wrong, I have seen Axl's band 3 times and love Chinese Democracy, but this honor is based on the achievment of the original five members.  Personally, I don't think Matt, Gilby or Dizzy should be inducted either.   How hard is it to walk on a stage and say 'thanks'? If he doesn't want to perform with the other guys, he doesn't have to.  He doesn't even have to talk to Slash or Steven if he doesn't feel like it.  If he is pissed because the current memebers aren't being inducted or he wants to perform with the current band, I think that is insane.  If GNR had completely ceased to exist in 1990 they would still be inducted into the HOF.  The current members have absolutely nothing to do with GNR being inducted.  But hey, Axl has always done what he wants regardless if makes sense to anybody else and that is a big reason I am such a fan.  But right now, I am a disappointed fan.

what in the letter makes you think he is pissed because the HOF dictates what members can be inducted???

i don't see anything that implies that in the slightest.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CIAT on April 11, 2012, 07:15:28 PM
Eddie Trunk is a first class douche.. so don't pat him on the back.

he doesn't think GNR are a first ballot worthy band which is just fucking ridiculous.

Maybe the Hall wanted the potential Publicity but that doesn't change the fact GNR are an all time great band and deserve this honor.

Actually he never said that. He said that it's ridiculous that GNR are being inducted on first ballot and tons of other bands aren't. He never said they weren't worthy. He just said tons of other bands are, and should be in already. And he's right.

Read that sentence.. He is saying those OTHER bands deserve to get in BEFORE GNR which is ridiculous.



No he's right. Bands that have been around since before GNR, and have been eligibale for years deserve to get in before Guns.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Freya on April 11, 2012, 07:19:28 PM
I agree.  Not going is one thing, but refusing any association with the honor is just .....wrong.  This just really just hangs like a dark cloud over the whole ceremony.  It especially reflects poorly on Axl when some of his reasoning seems to be that the "new guys" weren't included.  I mean come on, everyone knows this honor is bases on the acheivement of Appetite and no one was forcing him to do something he didn't want to do.  I worry for Axl, I think he will be haunted by the choices he's made in this life.  

I hope the rest of the guys manage to enjoy themselves and perform regardless.

That should have read I agree with Old Cowboy.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 07:21:08 PM
Eddie Trunk is a first class douche.. so don't pat him on the back.

he doesn't think GNR are a first ballot worthy band which is just fucking ridiculous.

Maybe the Hall wanted the potential Publicity but that doesn't change the fact GNR are an all time great band and deserve this honor.

Actually he never said that. He said that it's ridiculous that GNR are being inducted on first ballot and tons of other bands aren't. He never said they weren't worthy. He just said tons of other bands are, and should be in already. And he's right.

Read that sentence.. He is saying those OTHER bands deserve to get in BEFORE GNR which is ridiculous.




No he's right. Bands that have been around since before GNR, and have been eligibale for years deserve to get in before Guns.



Yeah but GNR getting in doesn't stop one of those from also getting in. GNR are like Mickey Mantle.. First ballot all the way.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 07:23:12 PM
yea, we know divorces happen.  but the children spend their lives w the dream their parents will someday reunite.  life is so much more fulfilling when the dream is alive.  i've been thinking about that possibility for the r&r hof since 2000, long before the band members were thinking about it.  i have thought about it daily, multiple times each day for the last 12-13 years.  now that dream is over.  there is no hope.  there is no point.  i'll call in sick tomorrow to work and the foreseeable future.  i'll try to find a point to all this.  try to find a reason.  likely, there will be no reason to be found.  just someone who is more talented than any singer/songwriter in history.  without his eccentric personality we would never have gotten the amazing music that we got.  but, it's so much more than music.  it's the best literature ever written.  it's the soundtrack of my life since the age of 8.  but, that eccentricity also results in times like this.  times when he cannot just act like an adult for once.  as i sail off and try to come to grips with wasting 24 years of my life i have to take a look at the reality of this evil world we all live in.  if i call you out of habit, i'm outta love and i gotta have it.

You should seek psychiatric help. I'm not even joking, please seek it, for the betterment of those around you and yourself.

Also, you check out a CD called Chinese Democracy, it's pretty good. I could send you a copy if you don't have one.

i listen to CD all the time.  i'm especially obsessed w better, SOD, and catcher, but i really like 95% of that album.  i saw axl and his crew in 2002 and in 2011 and axl was great.  i bought 10 tickets both times and convinced people i knew to go with me.  i did feel like i was watching axl and a cover band but i love all those songs so much that i would have had fun even if it was a cover band without axl.  i even blasted oh my god in college for months after it came out until my roommates wanted to kill me.  everything axl has ever done lyrically is greater than anything anyone else has ever done.  but, i have spent that entire time dreaming of this day in 2012 when i could finally see the 5 people who shaped my life come together again for the final time.  it's a kick in the face.  the bitter end.

So in your case, this is more about how it pertains to you personally and your dream.

Did you honestly think even if Axl went, they were going to perform? It kinda seems like you let yourself believe in something that everyone knew wasn't going to happen.

Take some time, relax. Don't it take it so personally, Axl didn't mean it as "a kick in the face" to you.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 07:24:14 PM
Some of you might forget that what we know, probably isn't the whole picture.

No matter what he chose to do, there would be good and bad. He made the decision that is right for him.


That decision might not be right for you, but at the end of the day, you don't have the deal with the stuff that comes with said decision.

It's easy to say "You should do this..." when you can just forget about it the next minute.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CIAT on April 11, 2012, 07:24:20 PM
Eddie Trunk is a first class douche.. so don't pat him on the back.

he doesn't think GNR are a first ballot worthy band which is just fucking ridiculous.

Maybe the Hall wanted the potential Publicity but that doesn't change the fact GNR are an all time great band and deserve this honor.

Actually he never said that. He said that it's ridiculous that GNR are being inducted on first ballot and tons of other bands aren't. He never said they weren't worthy. He just said tons of other bands are, and should be in already. And he's right.

Read that sentence.. He is saying those OTHER bands deserve to get in BEFORE GNR which is ridiculous.




No he's right. Bands that have been around since before GNR, and have been eligibale for years deserve to get in before Guns.



Yeah but GNR getting in doesn't stop one of those from also getting in. GNR are like Mickey Mantle.. First ballot all the way.

Yes but some people like Eddie and myself think that it is ridiculous that these bands that have been without a doubt, important figures in rock history and have been eligible for years and are still not inducted, yet GNR get's inducted in their first year eligable. I'm not saying GNR shouldn't be inducted on their first year. I'm just saying that there are a ton of other bands that should have been as well, and deserve to be in before GNR.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 11, 2012, 07:25:26 PM
Maybe we should let the Rock Hall induct whoever the hell they want to induct and if other people don't like their choices, let them make their own Hall Of Fame. Just a thought. ;)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cyllan on April 11, 2012, 07:26:12 PM
To all those struggling to understand why Axl doesn't wish to be inducted, it's pretty simple in my view. He doesn't agree with the way HOF conducts its business and so exercises his right not to be associated with them through the induction. To do anything else would be hypocritical - something Axl definitely isn't.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Freya on April 11, 2012, 07:26:25 PM
If Axl said, 'I am not going because the whole concept of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is idiotic', I would understand that.  This letter is unclear and ridiculous.  From what I can tell, he is pissed because the HOF dictates what members can be inducted.  Does he really think Frank Ferrer should be inducted or any of the current members?   The whole reason GNR is being inducted and why Axl even has his current lineup of GNR is because of Appetite for Destruction.  That album was written and performed by Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven.  Don't get me wrong, I have seen Axl's band 3 times and love Chinese Democracy, but this honor is based on the achievment of the original five members.  Personally, I don't think Matt, Gilby or Dizzy should be inducted either.   How hard is it to walk on a stage and say 'thanks'? If he doesn't want to perform with the other guys, he doesn't have to.  He doesn't even have to talk to Slash or Steven if he doesn't feel like it.  If he is pissed because the current memebers aren't being inducted or he wants to perform with the current band, I think that is insane.  If GNR had completely ceased to exist in 1990 they would still be inducted into the HOF.  The current members have absolutely nothing to do with GNR being inducted.  But hey, Axl has always done what he wants regardless if makes sense to anybody else and that is a big reason I am such a fan.  But right now, I am a disappointed fan.

what in the letter makes you think he is pissed because the HOF dictates what members can be inducted???

i don't see anything that implies that in the slightest.


Quote
Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out. Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things... no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.
There.  He's obviously upset with which members the "hall" has chosen to include.  Bad "Hall".  Lol


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 07:27:29 PM
Eddie is a parasitic self serving Douche....

Just watch that shit with Axl he did... Them acting like they were gonna ambush Axl and force him to talk etc.. what a load of shit.


I am trying to appreciate how difficult and awkward that would be for Axl.. I just honestly feel insulted that he would take his name off the accomplishment.

I don't agree with that.

He has the right to not go, or do whatever he wants.. but I just don't understand that. I honestly don't. has nothing to do with being an old band fan, a Slash fan or not loving the band he has right now.

I just really felt a tinge of hurt/disappointment when I read that part about not even being included.....



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 11, 2012, 07:28:00 PM
It could also mean that he didn't agree with the choice of Green Day to be the ones inducting them, and he was never consulted about it. He didn't make that clear. In fact it was all pretty vague.

I miss the days when he'd just fly off the handle and say exactly what he thought. At least then there was no room for interpretation.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Silverchair on April 11, 2012, 07:29:15 PM
I agree.  Not going is one thing, but refusing any association with the honor is just .....wrong.  This just really just hangs like a dark cloud over the whole ceremony.  It especially reflects poorly on Axl when some of his reasoning seems to be that the "new guys" weren't included.  I mean come on, everyone knows this honor is bases on the acheivement of Appetite and no one was forcing him to do something he didn't want to do.  I worry for Axl, I think he will be haunted by the choices he's made in this life.  

I hope the rest of the guys manage to enjoy themselves and perform regardless.

That should have read I agree with Old Cowboy.

Where in the letter does it say that?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 07:29:30 PM
Eddie Trunk is a first class douche.. so don't pat him on the back.

he doesn't think GNR are a first ballot worthy band which is just fucking ridiculous.

Maybe the Hall wanted the potential Publicity but that doesn't change the fact GNR are an all time great band and deserve this honor.

Actually he never said that. He said that it's ridiculous that GNR are being inducted on first ballot and tons of other bands aren't. He never said they weren't worthy. He just said tons of other bands are, and should be in already. And he's right.

Read that sentence.. He is saying those OTHER bands deserve to get in BEFORE GNR which is ridiculous.




No he's right. Bands that have been around since before GNR, and have been eligibale for years deserve to get in before Guns.



Yeah but GNR getting in doesn't stop one of those from also getting in. GNR are like Mickey Mantle.. First ballot all the way.

Yes but some people like Eddie and myself think that it is ridiculous that these bands that have been without a doubt, important figures in rock history and have been eligible for years and are still not inducted, yet GNR get's inducted in their first year eligable. I'm not saying GNR shouldn't be inducted on their first year. I'm just saying that there are a ton of other bands that should have been as well, and deserve to be in before GNR.



Yeah but who?

I am the biggest Kiss fan on this forum,I guarantee and will take the fan challenge with anyone but Kiss aren't half the BAND GNR are musically. just aren't in the same ballpark.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 07:34:45 PM
Anybody who's followed the Hall of Fame's process of selecting who to include surely must have notices how odd it all is.

Red Hot Chili Peppers' current guitar player who's been in the band for about two years is included.


How is that celebrating the past accomplishments?

Dave Navarro wasn't included because? The album didn't sell enough? They didn't play enough big shows?



It's all a bit weird...






/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 07:34:57 PM
I agree.  Not going is one thing, but refusing any association with the honor is just .....wrong.  This just really just hangs like a dark cloud over the whole ceremony.  It especially reflects poorly on Axl when some of his reasoning seems to be that the "new guys" weren't included.  I mean come on, everyone knows this honor is bases on the acheivement of Appetite and no one was forcing him to do something he didn't want to do.  I worry for Axl, I think he will be haunted by the choices he's made in this life.  

I hope the rest of the guys manage to enjoy themselves and perform regardless.

That should have read I agree with Old Cowboy.

Where in the letter does it say that?

Even if he says "the members who they chose" what reasoning do you give for saying he means "the new guys"??? He couldn't mean Gilby? He couldn't mean Matt?

Here we go with the SPECULATION.

I love how people hate on Axl for speculative reasons.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 07:41:03 PM
I think its complete bullshit new Chili Pepper guy is included.

thought it was bullshit Metallica bass dude was also

BUT those guys are considered Equal partners of those bands now whereas most are band members but aren't equal partners.

I guess that matters for some reason


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: slashsbaconpit on April 11, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
It's about going to some industry gathering congratulating themselves on their achievements
/jarmo




Instead of being a media circus about reunion this and reunion that.




/jarmo

I think this hits it on the head. From reading the letter, it seems like Axl is trying to avoid a circus. For months it's been "Oh, what'll happen when Axl and Slash get on stage together!?"
Axl seems to be the type of person that when he does something, he does it all the way. Why show up to this thing if not to perform? He's not gonna just get up on stage and kiss Slash on the lips and say "it's all okay, let's rock" because the photo op is there.

No, the letter in my view seems like he's not interested in it at all if he can't go all the way with doing in a proper fashion. He's not disrespecting it, he's just saying it's not for me.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CIAT on April 11, 2012, 07:46:59 PM
Eddie Trunk is a first class douche.. so don't pat him on the back.

he doesn't think GNR are a first ballot worthy band which is just fucking ridiculous.

Maybe the Hall wanted the potential Publicity but that doesn't change the fact GNR are an all time great band and deserve this honor.

Actually he never said that. He said that it's ridiculous that GNR are being inducted on first ballot and tons of other bands aren't. He never said they weren't worthy. He just said tons of other bands are, and should be in already. And he's right.

Read that sentence.. He is saying those OTHER bands deserve to get in BEFORE GNR which is ridiculous.




No he's right. Bands that have been around since before GNR, and have been eligibale for years deserve to get in before Guns.



Yeah but GNR getting in doesn't stop one of those from also getting in. GNR are like Mickey Mantle.. First ballot all the way.

Yes but some people like Eddie and myself think that it is ridiculous that these bands that have been without a doubt, important figures in rock history and have been eligible for years and are still not inducted, yet GNR get's inducted in their first year eligable. I'm not saying GNR shouldn't be inducted on their first year. I'm just saying that there are a ton of other bands that should have been as well, and deserve to be in before GNR.



Yeah but who?

I am the biggest Kiss fan on this forum,I guarantee and will take the fan challenge with anyone but Kiss aren't half the BAND GNR are musically. just aren't in the same ballpark.

I agree GNR are a better band musically but, KISS does deserve to be in before them. They are a pioneer of shock rock and big stage shows and their music is legendary. Deep Purple, Rush, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc. All legendary bands that have influenced rock forever. They should all be in the hall.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 07:47:54 PM
BUT those guys are considered Equal partners of those bands now whereas most are band members but aren't equal partners.


Isn't that just you speculating to prove why they were included and why nobody in GN'R would be eligible?

In other words, no evidence of that actually being the case.




He's not disrespecting it, he's just saying it's not for me.

Exactly.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Freya on April 11, 2012, 07:48:10 PM
I'm not hating on Axl, I'm just not agreeing with him.  He's made his feelings about Slash and Steven pretty clear.  From what I surmise from his letter, from how he refers to "our" induction, and how he feels his current band is GnR, it's not too big of a leap to make.  I'm quite sure he's not pissed over Gilby lol.  

I feel for Axl, but this a sad mistake.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 11, 2012, 07:52:51 PM
I think its complete bullshit new Chili Pepper guy is included.

thought it was bullshit Metallica bass dude was also

BUT those guys are considered Equal partners of those bands now whereas most are band members but aren't equal partners.

I guess that matters for some reason

It's easier to induct ONE new member, pacify the band, and ensure they'll perform. The problem with GNR is the sheer volume of guys involved from 97-now. At some point it cheapens the honor. Plus, let's face it, this HOF thing was not ever about recognizing current GNR.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 07:53:17 PM
You start a band, people join, the band becomes successful, people leave, they want the band to die, you keep going on, get new guys in who share your vision, you keep going, you're trying to get the train back up and running, you spend years on it, getting the right parts, getting everybody to work together, it's a long ride, you get to a point where you feel proud of what you accomplished after everything you've been through and somebody comes along saying "Congratulations! We will honor what you did 20-25 years ago, but we couldn't care less what you've been doing for the past 15 years! Smile!".


For some, that's good enough. For others, it's not....





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
I'm not hating on Axl, I'm just not agreeing with him.  He's made his feelings about Slash and Steven pretty clear.  From what I surmise from his letter, from how he refers to "our" induction, and how he feels his current band is GnR, it's not too big of a leap to make.  I'm quite sure he's not pissed over Gilby lol.  

I feel for Axl, but this a sad mistake.

I'm sorry for you, not sorry for Axl.....



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mike McKagan on April 11, 2012, 07:56:15 PM
I don't post much on here anymore, but I figure Axl can do what he wants.  If he'd showed up to the induction, cool.  I would've watched it in May (and I still will, actually).  If he's not gonna show up, also cool.  His choice.  I love Guns N' Roses and their music, but I guess I'd rather worry about my next paycheck or keeping my kids in shoes than spend time fretting over where Axl Rose is gonna be next week.  The only place I need him to be is in my car stereo, be it Appetite, UYI, or CD.  I think Axl's awesome, I think Slash is awesome, and I think Bumblefoot is awesome.  (Really, I think they're all awesome.)  The politics of rock bands is just not that interesting to me.  Certainly not compared to the music itself.  I suspect every member of GN'R, past and present, would agree.  (I really do.  Maybe I'm naive.)  So grab an adult beverage, chill out, and just be thankful that we've not only got lots of great GN'R albums, but the promise of more somewhere down the road.  Or freak out.  Up to you.

 :beer:

PS--I love Axl Rose, but I do wish he'd get a good editor.  If William Faulkner were alive today, he'd read Axl's letters and press releases and be like "Dude, I'm having trouble following you."    ;D


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 07:59:39 PM
BUT those guys are considered Equal partners of those bands now whereas most are band members but aren't equal partners.


Isn't that just you speculating to prove why they were included and why nobody in GN'R would be eligible?

In other words, no evidence of that actually being the case.




He's not disrespecting it, he's just saying it's not for me.

Exactly.



/jarmo

on Their "Some Kind Of Monster" Documentary.. they actually had the contract signing making him an official "Partner"

For instance, with Kiss... Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer aren't "Members" of Kiss. they put on the makeup and play the songs but Paul and Gene pay them a salary. but Kiss is 50/50 paul and gene

so with GNR, I'd imagine Axl is the sole owner/member of GNR in that regards.

I'm not saying its right or I agree.. but that is the only explanation i can think of as to how the HOF committee can do that.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: volcano62 on April 11, 2012, 08:04:58 PM
You start a band, people join, the band becomes successful, people leave, they want the band to die, you keep going on, get new guys in who share your vision, you keep going, you're trying to get the train back up and running, you spend years on it, getting the right parts, getting everybody to work together, it's a long ride, you get to a point where you feel proud of what you accomplished after everything you've been through and somebody comes along saying "Congratulations! We will honor what you did 20-25 years ago, but we couldn't care less what you've been doing for the past 15 years! Smile!".

For some reason some "fans" don't understand this


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: mrgnrdvd on April 11, 2012, 08:05:38 PM
I wish the reunion would have happen just for one night, I always have Axl's back but I believe he over does it sometime, Axl what else do you want.

I really love the new guns n roses lineup but to appeal to all the other old Guns fans, unfortunaley would have taken a reunion with Slash to bring them back.

But when has he done anything for the fans of Guns N Roses

Just expects everyone to bow to him

Ok now everyone can respond to my write up and start a rant and pretend they are Axl


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jazjme on April 11, 2012, 08:07:26 PM
I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in,  when it was announced they were getting inducted, I was happy, my fav band in HOF, cool. But I also know my favorite band has changed since 87.

I appreciate and respect Axl and his decision on this matter. ANd I think to myself, I was a fan of the band since the get go.. AFD..  Then I think to myself, apparently what many seem to think all comes down to AFD, and the argument always seems to go. Well it was those 5 original who made that album thus is the reason they are being inducted.  Hmmm.

So I think now, well if that is the case and all we have is that logic then I would not be a GNR fan today, sorry I would have become very bored. and if people who clammer for a reunion want GNR to reunite, and only want them to reproduce more AFD albums, I would not be a fan anymore. No, I have gone on the journey and personally I'm happy at this day and destination. It does take balls to say thank you but no thanks.

Axl knows hes gonna get alot of shit, he all but admitted that in his letter. But he is willing to take that upon himself cause he has that much faith in his band and the fans today. One thing for sure,  Axl has just ensured that HBO and the HOF are gonna be very happy and make lots of money, based on his decision, beit if he went or not.And I think that is a point he alludes to. But congrats Axl for staying firm and unwavering in your passions, and beliefs!





Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 08:07:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmY8-6qOIu8

starts at 7:20

Contrary to some people's beliefs, I do know a thing or two sometimes.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: mrgnrdvd on April 11, 2012, 08:15:48 PM
but seriously what has Axl done for Guns fans?



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: lennonisgod on April 11, 2012, 08:18:44 PM
From Yahoo.com:

Axl Rose declines induction into Rock Hall
Associated PressBy NEKESA MUMBI MOODY | Associated Press – 1 hr 30 mins ago

NEW YORK (AP) — There'll be no Guns N' Roses reunion at this weekend's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony. Axl Rose says he won't attend and is declining his induction into the hall.

The seminal band, which ruled the rock world for years before disbanding in acrimony in 1996, could be considered the headliner among the acts scheduled to be inducted in Cleveland on Saturday.

But in a letter to the hall released Wednesday, Rose said he won't be at the ceremony and would avoid what would have likely been a "complicated or awkward situation."

"I won't be attending The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2012 Ceremony and I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N' Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame," he said in the letter. "I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf."

Although Rose now fronts a reconstituted version of Guns N' Roses that does not include former members Slash, Izzy Stradlin, Duff McKagan or Steven Adler, there was some hope that the band might reunite at the hall, a reunion that has been dreamt about by many fans from almost the moment it split.

Even Slash seemed to give a little hope to that idea in an interview with The Associated Press last month: "I have no idea what's going to happen on that day. ... It's more like going into it with blinders on and just see what happens."

But Rose apparently was miffed by such talk.

"There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities," he wrote.

He added: "So let sleeping dogs lie or lying dogs sleep or whatever. Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense."

The hall didn't immediately return requests for comment. A rep for Slash said he would still attend Saturday but had no further comment. Green Day is scheduled to induct the group.

Rose's bitterness is a cloud over the band's induction, but in some ways fitting, given the dysfunction that marked the group as it rose to become one of the world's most popular acts in the 1980s and 1990s with hits like "Welcome to the Jungle," ''Sweet Child O' Mine" and "November Rain."

Besides Guns N' Roses, inductees include the hip-hop trio Beastie Boys; rockers the Red Hot Chili Peppers; the late singer/songwriter Laura Nyro; Donovan; and influential British rock group The Small Faces/The Faces, which included Rod Stewart and Rolling Stones guitarist Ronnie Wood.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 08:23:35 PM
I wish the reunion would have happen just for one night, I always have Axl's back but I believe he over does it sometime, Axl what else do you want.

I really love the new guns n roses lineup but to appeal to all the other old Guns fans, unfortunaley would have taken a reunion with Slash to bring them back.

But when has he done anything for the fans of Guns N Roses


Just expects everyone to bow to him

Ok now everyone can respond to my write up and start a rant and pretend they are Axl

Seriously? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
but seriously what has Axl done for Guns fans?

What? You didn't get the personalized thank you postcard?



Ridiculous question deserves no answer.

 ::)


BUT those guys are considered Equal partners of those bands now whereas most are band members but aren't equal partners.


Isn't that just you speculating to prove why they were included and why nobody in GN'R would be eligible?

In other words, no evidence of that actually being the case.




He's not disrespecting it, he's just saying it's not for me.

Exactly.



/jarmo

on Their "Some Kind Of Monster" Documentary.. they actually had the contract signing making him an official "Partner"

For instance, with Kiss... Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer aren't "Members" of Kiss. they put on the makeup and play the songs but Paul and Gene pay them a salary. but Kiss is 50/50 paul and gene

so with GNR, I'd imagine Axl is the sole owner/member of GNR in that regards.

I'm not saying its right or I agree.. but that is the only explanation i can think of as to how the HOF committee can do that.




I don't think Matt Sorum or Dizzy Reed were "equal business partners" either.

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples of this.


I also don't think that just because you're a partner in the business that is a band, automatically means you have more say than somebody who isn't.





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cyllan on April 11, 2012, 08:25:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmY8-6qOIu8

starts at 7:20

Contrary to some people's beliefs, I do know a thing or two sometimes.

D, I assume this video has something to do with the "partner" theory you put forward in your last post (sorry, did start to watch but got bored). I just think you're looking to rationalise HOF's decision too deeply. I believe they made their decision based on the hope of, if not exactly forcing a reunion, then giving it a good nudge in the right direction. It was all about getting maximum publicity for their event and, imo, very little with giving consideration to the band they were supposedly honouring.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ARX on April 11, 2012, 08:32:43 PM
Because you are no authority, as is no one else, to dictate how much of a "fan" someone is. It's as if merely PREFERRING an older incarnation of this band gets you completely shunned. It's seemingly impossible to many people accept that there are fan who bought Chinese Democracy, who caught GNR on tour, who would rather listen to Use Your Illusions, and who aren't hanging themselves up for a reunion. Maybe someone prefers Appetite to Chinese? Maybe Chinese to Appetite? If it isn't GNR AS THEY STAND RIGHT NOW then you are "living in the past"....


I said nothing about preferring one album to another.

I'm talking about people who like the old band, only. And call themselves fans. Yet do nothing but belittle GN'R.



Don't you find it puzzling how often people who claim to be fans from way back seem to have the least clue about how GN'R has always operated?
They'll have usernames like "Old fan", "Fan since day one", "AFDfan1987" and so on, but they never seemed to realize that GN'R has always been about doing things their way and not playing the "game".

If something didn't feel right, GN'R never did it. Never.

Growing up, that was what set GN'R apart. They weren't making the same kind of music everybody else was making. They were different.

Nowadays that's a bad thing..... Blandness is cool.




/jarmo

I get what you're saying and you're right. GnR/ Axl has always done things their/ his own way. I respect Axl and the other guys for that. Its like going to a GnR show and expecting Axl on stage at 9 PM, not going to happen, so why complain or go?

I can only speak for myself when describing my disappointment. I personally think going to the ceremony only would help GnR as a whole and I think a performance would have helped A LOT. Axl and the current line up do not get much favorable press and the average fan on the street doesnt know who is in the band at any time. I respect Axl's decision but do think you can celebrate the past and still embrace the future. Just my thoughts


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 08:33:01 PM
I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in,  when it was announced they were getting inducted, I was happy, my fav band in HOF, cool. But I also know my favorite band has changed since 87.

I appreciate and respect Axl and his decision on this matter. ANd I think to myself, I was a fan of the band since the get go.. AFD..  Then I think to myself, apparently what many seem to think all comes down to AFD, and the argument always seems to go. Well it was those 5 original who made that album thus is the reason they are being inducted.  Hmmm.

So I think now, well if that is the case and all we have is that logic then I would not be a GNR fan today, sorry I would have become very bored. and if people who clammer for a reunion want GNR to reunite, and only want them to reproduce more ADF albums, I would not be a fan anymore. No, I have gone on the journey and personally I'm happy at this day and destination. It does take balls to say thank you but no thanks.

Axl knows hes gonna get alot of shit, he all but admitted that in his letter. But he is willing to take that upon himself cause he has that much faith in his band and the fans today. One thing for sure,  Axl has just ensured that HBO and the HOF are gonna be very happy and make lots of money, based on his decision, beit if he went or not.And I think that is a point he alludes to. But congrats Axl for staying firm and unwavering in your passions, and beliefs!





This. The part in bold. Keep in mind it's coming from a poster whose seen the old lineup more times than most of us have gotten laid.

Doesn't anyone else think that? I think about this all the time - Axl chose the direction of the bands music, and if it came down to "Snakepit vs. Industrial Rock" or however you want to tag it, I'm sure fucking glad the old band broke up before they turned into a bunch of lame ass motherfuckers singing their songs with the latest fads in music. Oh wait, some of them (i won't name names) went on to do this anyway....




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 08:33:11 PM
No No

I'm just trying to come up with a possible theory as to why some people get in and others' don't. I'm just stating, that may be a good theory as to why.

I don't think Rob or Josh should have gotten in.

For the Record, I don't think Dizzy nor Matt deserve it either. but I don't really care who all got inducted. Couldn't argue if Tommy got in.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Freya on April 11, 2012, 08:33:20 PM
I'm not hating on Axl, I'm just not agreeing with him.  He's made his feelings about Slash and Steven pretty clear.  From what I surmise from his letter, from how he refers to "our" induction, and how he feels his current band is GnR, it's not too big of a leap to make.  I'm quite sure he's not pissed over Gilby lol.  

I feel for Axl, but this a sad mistake.

I'm sorry for you, not sorry for Axl.....

I really don't care, can't take a differing opinion?  Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean I have to think he's right all the time.  



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 08:34:50 PM
I'm not hating on Axl, I'm just not agreeing with him.  He's made his feelings about Slash and Steven pretty clear.  From what I surmise from his letter, from how he refers to "our" induction, and how he feels his current band is GnR, it's not too big of a leap to make.  I'm quite sure he's not pissed over Gilby lol.  

I feel for Axl, but this a sad mistake.

I'm sorry for you, not sorry for Axl.....

I really don't care, can't take a differing opinion?  Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean I have to think he's right all the time.  


Fans of people don't say that DOING WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT FOR THEM (which Axl did) is a SAD MISTAKE because it's not WHAT YOU WANTED.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmY8-6qOIu8

starts at 7:20

Contrary to some people's beliefs, I do know a thing or two sometimes.

D, I assume this video has something to do with the "partner" theory you put forward in your last post (sorry, did start to watch but got bored). I just think you're looking to rationalise HOF's decision too deeply. I believe they made their decision based on the hope of, if not exactly forcing a reunion, then giving it a good nudge in the right direction. It was all about getting maximum publicity for their event and, imo, very little with giving consideration to the band they were supposedly honouring.

Just fast forward to 7 minutes 20 secs.. takes bout 15 secs to see what Im saying


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 08:37:28 PM
I'm not hating on Axl, I'm just not agreeing with him.  He's made his feelings about Slash and Steven pretty clear.  From what I surmise from his letter, from how he refers to "our" induction, and how he feels his current band is GnR, it's not too big of a leap to make.  I'm quite sure he's not pissed over Gilby lol.  

I feel for Axl, but this a sad mistake.

I'm sorry for you, not sorry for Axl.....

I really don't care, can't take a differing opinion?  Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean I have to think he's right all the time.  


Fans of people don't say that DOING WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT FOR THEM (which Axl did) is a SAD MISTAKE because it's not WHAT YOU WANTED.



Well, to be fair, we are "FANS" which is short for fanatic. I don't think fans are obligated to take personal feelings of the person they are a fan of into consideration when wanting something.

I want a new GNR album....... Does that make me "NOT" a fan if Axl chooses to not do another?

I don't think so. I don't subscribe to the theory to be a fan you have to 100 percent be behind and agree with everything someone does/says.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 11, 2012, 08:40:25 PM
Was hoping to see them all in the same room, figured there would not be a performance. Nothing even close to that now. But I get the reasons behind Axl not wanting to be there. I don't get why he is declining being inducted.  



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: MR.BROWNSTONE on April 11, 2012, 08:41:04 PM
Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern


The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba.


I agree with that 110%. The current lineup kicks ass and does not need anything fucking with a well oiled machine. Time to move one and enjoy the best live show around.  :peace:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 08:46:37 PM
BUT

Axl can shut ALOT of people up by releasing an amazing kick ass album from this lineup which I am more than confident he can do.

He is gonna have to eventually.. Surely u agree with that right?



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cyllan on April 11, 2012, 08:47:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmY8-6qOIu8

starts at 7:20

Contrary to some people's beliefs, I do know a thing or two sometimes.

D, I assume this video has something to do with the "partner" theory you put forward in your last post (sorry, did start to watch but got bored). I just think you're looking to rationalise HOF's decision too deeply. I believe they made their decision based on the hope of, if not exactly forcing a reunion, then giving it a good nudge in the right direction. It was all about getting maximum publicity for their event and, imo, very little with giving consideration to the band they were supposedly honouring.

Just fast forward to 7 minutes 20 secs.. takes bout 15 secs to see what Im saying

OK I watched it, although the Hetfield's overbearing air of smugness gets right on my wick, and my comment stands.  HOF make their decisions arbitrarily to suit their agenda at the time and so trying to justify this decision on someone's contractual status within the band is futile.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cyllan on April 11, 2012, 08:51:22 PM
Was hoping to see them all in the same room, figured there would not be a performance. Nothing even close to that now. But I get the reasons behind Axl not wanting to be there. I don't get why he is declining being inducted.  


Integrity  : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 08:52:03 PM
BUT

Axl can shut ALOT of people up by releasing an amazing kick ass album from this lineup which I am more than confident he can do.

He is gonna have to eventually.. Surely u agree with that right?



I'm not sure if anything will ever shut most of the people up.

He could release 20 albums of music that makes Jesus Christ himself come back and say "damn that music is so good i came back" and people would still complain about which God he got to show up.

However, I can agree that yes, this current lineup really needs to record an album together to showcase themselves.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Evita on April 11, 2012, 08:54:15 PM
Couldn't agree more with Axl.  I think he clearly expressed it all.  I think a lot of things in that letter needed to be said.  Really happy he did and by the way he did it.  Hopefully now everybody can all go pass the "reunion" stuff and move on.  :)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ARX on April 11, 2012, 08:55:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmY8-6qOIu8

starts at 7:20

Contrary to some people's beliefs, I do know a thing or two sometimes.

He is officially a member of the band yes, but the contract is not giving him ownership of the Metallica music catalog or saying he has equal say in what the band does or doesnt do, in the end its up to Lars, Kurt and James- maybe he is receiving equal splits form touring and royalties on albums he plays on.  But Honestly trying to compare Metallica to GnR is pointless... Metallica is a very "by the book" "business as usual band" but GnR is not.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 11, 2012, 08:56:31 PM
BUT

Axl can shut ALOT of people up by releasing an amazing kick ass album from this lineup which I am more than confident he can do.

He is gonna have to eventually.. Surely u agree with that right?



I'm not sure if anything will ever shut most of the people up.

He could release 20 albums of music that makes Jesus Christ himself come back and say "damn that music is so good i came back" and people would still complain about which God he got to show up.

However, I can agree that yes, this current lineup really needs to record an album together to showcase themselves.


A big part of helping "showcase" themselves was the fucking KICK ASS tour they just delivered the US and North America.

If that didn't shut up critics and Splash fan-boys...then I don't know what will.

Don't get me wrong, I love Slash's stuff on the side - I listened to his last album and went to his shows with Myles. Did I enjoy them? Yep. Will I go see him again? Probably. But some of the comments here are just ridiculous....

Axl made his decision and that was it. Would it have been easier for some if it was made months ago? Yes, cause I wouldn't have bought a ticket. But I was able to sell mine today to get my money back and that's what counts to me.

My thoughts from the beginning: whatever happens, happens.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 08:56:56 PM
Couldn't agree more with Axl.  I think he clearly expressed it all.  I think a lot of things in that letter needed to be said.  Really happy he did and by the way he did it.  Hopefully now everybody can all go pass the "reunion" stuff and move on.  :)

I really hope people start to finally move on from it now. I know that a lot of the "reunion camp" people, they have been mentioning the RRHOF for years as a chance at it. So hopefully now that it is out of the way, the focus will actually be on what Guns N' Roses is now, and not was it was, or what some dude in Kentucky or London wants it be.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 08:59:34 PM
Here's another analogy for those of you who don't understand it:

You're on a ship, you and your merry gang make it out into the open sea, some people decide to jump and swim to the shore, but they try to sink the ship before leaving, you keep the ship afloat and others come to help you keep it going until you reach a harbor, but on the way you hit a few icebergs.

Then you're told "Good job, now come and celebrate the accomplishments of the crew who left port with the ship!".


Or like having a sports team that finally wins the championship or league. But only the team players that were in the team before the transfer window was open are acknowledged. The fact that they all left and joined other teams doesn't matter. The fact that you replaced them all with new players and managed to win despite having the odds against you don't matter.





/jarmo




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 09:01:56 PM
There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities. Until every single one of those generating from or originating with the earlier lineups has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion.

Can't figure out what he is saying here???


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 11, 2012, 09:02:32 PM

You're on a ship, you and your merry gang make it out into the open sea, some people decide to jump and swim to the shore, but they try to sink the ship before leaving, you keep the ship afloat and others come to help you keep it going until you reach a harbor, but on the way you hit a few icebergs.


Did someone just go see Titanic 3-D? :hihi:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 09:03:55 PM
Here's another analogy for those of you who don't understand it:

You're on a ship, you and your merry gang make it out into the open sea, some people decide to jump and swim to the shore, but they try to sink the ship before leaving, you keep the ship afloat and others come to help you keep it going until you reach a harbor, but on the way you hit a few icebergs.

Then you're told "Good job, now come and celebrate the accomplishments of the crew who left port with the ship!".


Or like having a sports team that finally wins the championship or league. But only the team players that were in the team before the transfer window was open are acknowledged. The fact that they all left and joined other teams doesn't matter. The fact that you replaced them all with new players and managed to win despite having the odds against you don't matter.





/jarmo




If that is a futbol reference.. its WAYYYYYYYY over my head :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: vicariousexistence on April 11, 2012, 09:04:22 PM
Here's another analogy for those of you who don't understand it:

You're on a ship, you and your merry gang make it out into the open sea, some people decide to jump and swim to the shore, but they try to sink the ship before leaving, you keep the ship afloat and others come to help you keep it going until you reach a harbor, but on the way you hit a few icebergs.

Then you're told "Good job, now come and celebrate the accomplishments of the crew who left port with the ship!".


Or like having a sports team that finally wins the championship or league. But only the team players that were in the team before the transfer window was open are acknowledged. The fact that they all left and joined other teams doesn't matter. The fact that you replaced them all with new players and managed to win despite having the odds against you don't matter.





/jarmo




this is such a bullshit analogy.  it's more like the 2004 red sox team winning the championship.  since then most have left via free agency, been traded, retired, etc.  ortiz is still on the team but that's about it.  the team has had success at times since but nothing was as historic as 2004.  and, you can bet, at the 10 year celebration of the championship that all the major players will be there to see each other again and thank the fans.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: nekomex on April 11, 2012, 09:05:22 PM
Why are some people sad about Axl not going to the ceremony? In my opinion the hall of fame its kind of unimportant. The reason they wanted Axl to be there was to see him with the other guys, because the 'honor' of being inducted its lame, and i think Axl in a very respectfull way said it on his letter.

He didnt want to offend people who see the hall of fame like a good thing, he didnt want to offend the members of the HOF or the old members of the band accepting the award, so the educated thing to do was to decline to attend and to be inducted because that its his option, he said it in the right way to not insult anyone.

the unpolite way to say it could have been

I think the hall of fame its fucking stupid, it makes no much sense, am a rockstar and i dont need an institucion giving me and 'honor', they are not doing a favor to me. Etc...

So i think it was a cool thing to do of Axl.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 09:06:38 PM
Here's another analogy for those of you who don't understand it:

You're on a ship, you and your merry gang make it out into the open sea, some people decide to jump and swim to the shore, but they try to sink the ship before leaving, you keep the ship afloat and others come to help you keep it going until you reach a harbor, but on the way you hit a few icebergs.

Then you're told "Good job, now come and celebrate the accomplishments of the crew who left port with the ship!".


Or like having a sports team that finally wins the championship or league. But only the team players that were in the team before the transfer window was open are acknowledged. The fact that they all left and joined other teams doesn't matter. The fact that you replaced them all with new players and managed to win despite having the odds against you don't matter.





/jarmo




this is such a bullshit analogy.  it's more like the 2004 red sox team winning the championship.  since then most have left via free agency, been traded, retired, etc.  ortiz is still on the team but that's about it.  the team has had success at times since but nothing was as historic as 2004.  and, you can bet, at the 10 year celebration of the championship that all the major players will be there to see each other again and thank the fans.  

You mean how Francona isn't gonna show up for the Fenway celebration? ;)

Guns N' Roses didn't win any championships. They were a rock band, they played shows and recorded albums. The Red Sox sucked for like 100 years, that's the only reason their championship was so special. GNR wasn't special because they sucked for 100 years. They made music, it's an entirely different situation.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 09:07:40 PM
Couldn't agree more with Axl.  I think he clearly expressed it all.  I think a lot of things in that letter needed to be said.  Really happy he did and by the way he did it.  Hopefully now everybody can all go pass the "reunion" stuff and move on.  :)

I really hope people start to finally move on from it now. I know that a lot of the "reunion camp" people, they have been mentioning the RRHOF for years as a chance at it. So hopefully now that it is out of the way, the focus will actually be on what Guns N' Roses is now, and not was it was, or what some dude in Kentucky or London wants it be.


Since I am from Ky, I'll say this. I never said anything about a full blown reunion tour.

Acknowledging and accepting an honor for "PAST" accomplishments that has nothing to do with the present is another. U don't wanna perform? Fine. U don't wanna take pics, talk, attend.. Fine

completely denouncing the honor and having your name taking off what you and 4 other guys accomplished is something else entirely. 

Guys you went through so many hard times with, struggled, slaved, lived like a 3rd world country to sacrifice and conquer the world with.... U don't want to be recognized with these guys?

I'm sorry.. I just don't get it and I won't get it.

He wants to move on with "Current" lineup... then do something Current. release a new album. Show people what this band can do. I think the band deserve to show that so they can get the credit they deserve.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: draguns on April 11, 2012, 09:13:50 PM
I like the current lineup and respect Axl's decision BUT it would have been cool to see him close that chapter of GNR on a high note instead of this. I think making a statement saying that he doesn't want to be included in the induction is asinine. I agree with someone else on here who stated that Duff is acting like the most mature one. These guys are either 50 or heading there and they still act immature for their age.  There comes a point where you  just got to let things go. Say what comes to your mind, let it go and move forward. This would had been the perfect opportunity for all of them to do that. In my book, Duff is definitely doing this.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: KD8LNW on April 11, 2012, 09:14:27 PM
It seems that you people are so blinded by Axl's brilliance that you all forget one very important thing, if it were not for Duff McKagan, Izzy Stradlin, Steven Adler, Slash, Matt Sorum and for that matter Gilby Clarke there would be no "Guns n Roses" as you know it today. There would be no touring, unless they would be playing 'Chinese Democracy' in it's entirety. I do not see people running out and grabbing up tickets for that.

I think Tommy Stinson and Ron Thal are great musicians and have nothing against Axl's backing band but if it were not for the Appetite lineup you would not have your version of GN'R. You can have your version but Guns n Roses was over when Duff and Slash signed their rights of the name to Axl Rose. Let's not forget, they did it for the FANS because if they did not sign Axl was not going to go on and they did not want another riot.

If Axl wants his new version of GN'R to do anything, he has to release a kick ass rock album that doesn't take 15 years to make. Will that happen? Time will tell but I doubt it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on April 11, 2012, 09:14:54 PM
More than anything, I'm dissappointed that I'm dissapointed. I keep asking myself, why does it bother me?  I get why Axl has chosen not to go, there are many reasons why I agree he shouldn't go.  I personally feel he could have left out the part about not being inducted in absentia, as he more than anyone deserves to be inducted.  As D said in this thread, Axl now needs more than ever to get new material out there so that the current line-up can firmly stand on their own.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 09:15:24 PM
It seems that you people are so blinded by Axl's brilliance that you all forget one very important thing, if it were not for Duff McKagan, Izzy Stradlin, Steven Adler, Slash, Matt Sorum and for that matter Gilby Clarke there would be no "Guns n Roses" as you know it today. There would be no touring, unless they would be playing 'Chinese Democracy' in it's entirety. I do not see people running out and grabbing up tickets for that.

I think Tommy Stinson and Ron Thal are great musicians and have nothing against Axl's backing band but if it were not for the Appetite lineup you would not have your version of GN'R. You can have your version but Guns n Roses was over when Duff and Slash signed there rights of the name to Axl Rose. Let's not forget, they did it for the FANS because if they did not sign Axl was not going to go on and they did not want another riot.



Please don't be naive enough to think that because we support what is happening now we are not aware of the past.

Also, your version of the past is probably from Slash's book or Duff's book or Mike Clink's book or maybe even Tracy and Roberta's book....


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: nekomex on April 11, 2012, 09:17:20 PM
Couldn't agree more with Axl.  I think he clearly expressed it all.  I think a lot of things in that letter needed to be said.  Really happy he did and by the way he did it.  Hopefully now everybody can all go pass the "reunion" stuff and move on.  :)

I really hope people start to finally move on from it now. I know that a lot of the "reunion camp" people, they have been mentioning the RRHOF for years as a chance at it. So hopefully now that it is out of the way, the focus will actually be on what Guns N' Roses is now, and not was it was, or what some dude in Kentucky or London wants it be.


Since I am from Ky, I'll say this. I never said anything about a full blown reunion tour.

Acknowledging and accepting an honor for "PAST" accomplishments that has nothing to do with the present is another. U don't wanna perform? Fine. U don't wanna take pics, talk, attend.. Fine

completely denouncing the honor and having your name taking off what you and 4 other guys accomplished is something else entirely. 

Guys you went through so many hard times with, struggled, slaved, lived like a 3rd world country to sacrifice and conquer the world with.... U don't want to be recognized with these guys?

I'm sorry.. I just don't get it and I won't get it.

He wants to move on with "Current" lineup... then do something Current. release a new album. Show people what this band can do. I think the band deserve to show that so they can get the credit they deserve.


Yo realize that there are ways to be polite to not do things and to not offend people right?

Axl doesnt need the fucking hall of fame honoring him for his music, he is a rockstar. He said it in a polite way to not offend the members who wanted the 'honor'

You can be honest and be polite i think thats what he was in his letter.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 09:17:31 PM

You're on a ship, you and your merry gang make it out into the open sea, some people decide to jump and swim to the shore, but they try to sink the ship before leaving, you keep the ship afloat and others come to help you keep it going until you reach a harbor, but on the way you hit a few icebergs.


Did someone just go see Titanic 3-D? :hihi:

I don't need to see the movie to know that the thing sinks!  :P


I like the current lineup and respect Axl's decision BUT it would have been cool to see him close that chapter of GNR on a high note instead of this.

The way it ended has very little to do with Axl.





this is such a bullshit analogy.  it's more like the 2004 red sox team winning the championship.  since then most have left via free agency, been traded, retired, etc.  ortiz is still on the team but that's about it.  the team has had success at times since but nothing was as historic as 2004.  and, you can bet, at the 10 year celebration of the championship that all the major players will be there to see each other again and thank the fans.


I see you didn't get it.



Ok, let me put it this way. It's like thanking your first grade teacher for you getting an university diploma and ignoring everybody who helped you since high school.



It seems that you people are so blinded by Axl's brilliance that you all forget one very important thing, if it were not for Duff McKagan, Izzy Stradlin, Steven Adler, Slash, Matt Sorum and for that matter Gilby Clarke there would be no "Guns n Roses" as you know it today. There would be no touring, unless they would be playing 'Chinese Democracy' in it's entirety. I do not see people running out and grabbing up tickets for that.


Why do you people always assume that? That's just silly.


You can also turn it around. Without Axl, maybe you wouldn't have heard about any of those guys.  :P




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: kyrie on April 11, 2012, 09:17:38 PM
Can people not just respect that it's Axl's choice, and move on?

The other guys still get inducted, they're not losing anything nor are you.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: KD8LNW on April 11, 2012, 09:20:05 PM
It seems that you people are so blinded by Axl's brilliance that you all forget one very important thing, if it were not for Duff McKagan, Izzy Stradlin, Steven Adler, Slash, Matt Sorum and for that matter Gilby Clarke there would be no "Guns n Roses" as you know it today. There would be no touring, unless they would be playing 'Chinese Democracy' in it's entirety. I do not see people running out and grabbing up tickets for that.

I think Tommy Stinson and Ron Thal are great musicians and have nothing against Axl's backing band but if it were not for the Appetite lineup you would not have your version of GN'R. You can have your version but Guns n Roses was over when Duff and Slash signed there rights of the name to Axl Rose. Let's not forget, they did it for the FANS because if they did not sign Axl was not going to go on and they did not want another riot.



Please don't be naive enough to think that because we support what is happening now we are not aware of the past.

Also, your version of the past is probably from Slash's book or Duff's book or Mike Clink's book or maybe even Tracy and Roberta's book....


Sorry, but it has nothing to do with any book. My very first rock show was Guns opening up for Aerosmith. So sorry to disappoint you.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
Can people not just respect that it's Axl's choice, and move on?

The other guys still get inducted, they're not losing anything nor are you.

Well said. People are acting like Axl has denied them some sort of golden trinket that they were promised when they bought their first copy of Appetite for Destruction.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 11, 2012, 09:21:15 PM

You're on a ship, you and your merry gang make it out into the open sea, some people decide to jump and swim to the shore, but they try to sink the ship before leaving, you keep the ship afloat and others come to help you keep it going until you reach a harbor, but on the way you hit a few icebergs.


Did someone just go see Titanic 3-D? :hihi:

I don't need to see the movie to know that the thing sinks!  :P

/jarmo

(http://rockandrollarmy.com/magazine/images/stories/2011/marzo/axl_rose-middle_finger.jpg)

This is what I picture Axl doing the whole time he is typing/writing/reading that letter. And this is what I'm doing to you right now Jarmo.


Can people not just respect that it's Axl's choice, and move on?

The other guys still get inducted, they're not losing anything nor are you.

Agreed 100%!!!! : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 09:22:48 PM
It seems that you people are so blinded by Axl's brilliance that you all forget one very important thing, if it were not for Duff McKagan, Izzy Stradlin, Steven Adler, Slash, Matt Sorum and for that matter Gilby Clarke there would be no "Guns n Roses" as you know it today. There would be no touring, unless they would be playing 'Chinese Democracy' in it's entirety. I do not see people running out and grabbing up tickets for that.

I think Tommy Stinson and Ron Thal are great musicians and have nothing against Axl's backing band but if it were not for the Appetite lineup you would not have your version of GN'R. You can have your version but Guns n Roses was over when Duff and Slash signed there rights of the name to Axl Rose. Let's not forget, they did it for the FANS because if they did not sign Axl was not going to go on and they did not want another riot.



Please don't be naive enough to think that because we support what is happening now we are not aware of the past.

Also, your version of the past is probably from Slash's book or Duff's book or Mike Clink's book or maybe even Tracy and Roberta's book....


Sorry, but it has nothing to do with any book. My very first rock show was Guns opening up for Aerosmith. So sorry to disappoint you.

Wow, so you saw the old band, and during the show, you saw Axl tell the band to sign the paper? Sorry to disappoint you, but your logic is distorted. What I meant is your so called "Axl made the band sign over the name and they did it 'for the fans'" is hearsay and not something all of us believe to be true.

i.e.

Sometimes things aren't as simple as they are made out to be in the press.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 09:23:33 PM
Acknowledging and accepting an honor for "PAST" accomplishments that has nothing to do with the present is another. U don't wanna perform? Fine. U don't wanna take pics, talk, attend.. Fine


I've tried to explain it so many different ways.

Nobody seems to be home....



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bandita on April 11, 2012, 09:30:28 PM
The fact that some people on here and on other threads I see on Facebook and whatnot are taking this so seriously and feel devastated is completely beyond me.  

He is taking the high road and not associating himself with the nonsense and drama surrounding this thing.  GNR is still GNR and still has an upcoming tour and hopefully some more albums to release.  You all need to get past this.  If your "hopes and dreams have really been shattered" then you have been delusional all this time, honestly.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: draguns on April 11, 2012, 09:30:34 PM
I like the current lineup and respect Axl's decision BUT it would have been cool to see him close that chapter of GNR on a high note instead of this.

The way it ended has very little to do with Axl.

I have to disagree with you on that Jarmo. Axl has much to blame as well as Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven for the breakup of the band.  I can't say much about Izzy because he has kept quite but Duff really is the most standup guy out of everyone regarding the Hall of Fame.

Btw, I messed up with quoting you. You quoted too many people on that one post dude, which was tough to edit out.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 09:33:00 PM
I have to disagree with you on that Jarmo. Axl has much to blame as well as Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven for the breakup of the band.  


I find it a little hard to believe that the others made Steven addicted to drugs, therefore made him impossible to work with and led to him being fired. Thus ending that line up of the band.

Sorry.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: JDA on April 11, 2012, 09:34:35 PM
I can understand his reasons and respect what he is doing, but I think by Axl doing this it only makes him look bad. I think by attending and accepting the award, it would bring more closure to the past than not showing up at all. Sit at a different table if you are worried about the situation being uncomfortable. Either way, I am still an Axl fan and will go see GN'R anytime they make it my way. Axl, please put out a new cd soon and shutup all the negative people. Keep this current lineup together, it is a special one.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 11, 2012, 09:37:41 PM
I'll give my version of the ship analogy: Axl and the boys built a ship and sailed it around the world, to great acclaim. When the ship hit rocky seas and appeared to be sinking, the rest of the crew jumped ship (I don't believe they tried to sink it). Axl was able to keep it afloat and keep going, even though many think he should have let it sink. Now Axl doesn't feel like celebrating the ship's journey with the people who jumped off when it was stormiest.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bandita on April 11, 2012, 09:41:49 PM
I would rather Axl "look" bad to some rather than act like a trained monkey who is doing it for a cash grab.  This right here proves he isn't.  I mean, any real fan of his knew this already because he could have had a reunion a long time ago and made tons but there is a reason that chapter was closed and he wants to keep it that way.  It didn't work.  It imploded.  It doesn't even matter WHO is to blame for the breakup.  Axl doesn't want to be a bitter divorcee and go on and on about it (like some do), he wants to move forward while others would like to drag him back to a place he clearly does not want to be.

If you are a fan of his, you will respect his decision.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 09:45:44 PM
Yeah. I just don't get it.

People seem surprised that Axl makes his own decisions.

That GN'R isn't playing the same game every other band is.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Gunner17 on April 11, 2012, 09:47:33 PM
I don't like his decision, but I have to respect it. It would have been cool to see the original line up play together, even if it was just, "play nice for the cameras". He doesn't owe people anything, but it would have been wild to see the people who made rock history with Appetite together one last time.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 11, 2012, 09:48:57 PM
We know Steven will be there. So it will still be entertaining to watch.  : ok:







Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRBABY on April 11, 2012, 09:58:06 PM
I usually back Axl when he does things like this. I have always "seen things his way". However, "Guns N Roses" is Axl's band and his BRAND. To not show up is fine with me - totally fine. But to flat out refuse to be inducted into the HOF as a member of Guns N' Roses when he is in fact IN Guns N' Roses and owns Guns N' Roses is absurd. It's good for the brand to be in the HOF even though it's BS. This new line-up just now started to get love and respect from the press in 2011/2012. He has just liked that momentum. Why?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: (paula) on April 11, 2012, 09:59:11 PM
Adler made situation unbearable these past few months. There was too much risk for Axl being around volatile, unpleasant people. It was probably the right decision under the circumstances.

Get ready for Kid Rock singing Paradise City.

Adler deserves a huge amount of blame; his mouth ran over any chance, however slim it was, for these guys to stand on stage together.

Yep, I think he does too. Aargh Kid Rock....


You're disappointed because something the media created didn't actually turn out to happen the way you wanted it to?

I think Steven Adler is holding a candlelight vigil somewhere outside Cleveland tonight, perhaps those other who were disillusioned enough to believe the reunion nonsense can all attend and be together in this time.

Meanwhile, I'll be rocking out to Chinese Democracy and reading about the venues Guns N' Roses will be performing at in 2012.

 :hihi:  The thought of Adler being denied another opportunity to ride Axl's coattails cheers me up a bit.  ;)

I'm an old fan. Like before-a-lot-of-you-were-born old. The nostalgic part of me that still has fond memories of the old band was looking forward to the RRHoF. I adored them (with the exception of Steven, whom I loathe if you couldn't tell  :P) and I still keep tabs on what they're up to.

I don't care much about the new GN'R lineup; in fact I wish Axl had called them something else. I have seen them live and they are excellent musicians, and Axl is still the last rock star and one of the most distinctive, powerful vocalists and charismatic frontmen around for my money. But I never thought the new line up deserved a part of this RRHoF business, and I don't get the impression from Axl's letter that he was making any demands in that respect.

It sounds like he was asking for his feelings to be respected when it came to how the ceremony went down. Since he is one of the members most responsible for the music they are being honored for, I think that is fair. If he didn't want to share the stage with Adler, who contributed so little to the band and has taken so much, he shouldn't have had to. Tbh, I'm sort of relieved I don't have to watch Axl up there pretending everything is hunky dory while Adler revels again in a spotlight he doesn't deserve.

That said, I am sorry he won't be there to receive his honor because he deserves it. But if the folks giving the award can't understand where he's coming from or respect his p.o.v. then I guess the honor isn't worth much to him in the end.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 10:03:59 PM
I usually back Axl when he does things like this. I have always "seen things his way". However, "Guns N Roses" is Axl's band and his BRAND. To not show up is fine with me - totally fine. But to flat out refuse to be inducted into the HOF as a member of Guns N' Roses when he is in fact IN Guns N' Roses and owns Guns N' Roses is absurd. It's good for the brand to be in the HOF even though it's BS. This new line-up just now started to get love and respect from the press in 2011/2012. He has just liked that momentum. Why?


But he explained it...  ???


Besides. "It's good for the brand". Does that sound like something typical GN'R?

That sounds more like the way KISS is run.... Or a band like Bon Jovi.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Freya on April 11, 2012, 10:07:25 PM
We all know Adler is like a brain dead puppy dog.  Annoying, but mostly well-meaning and harmless. 

Some of my posts seem to have vanished.  Not cool.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 10:10:29 PM
Yeah, some of your posts belong in 2002.

They weren't cool back then either by the way.







/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Trist805 on April 11, 2012, 10:10:44 PM
Man, Axl is really scared to be in a room with Adler and Slash lol   Go run-and-hide, Axl.  

This message will self-destruct in 5,4,3,2...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 10:13:31 PM
Man, Axl is really scared to be in a room with Adler and Slash lol   Go run-and-hide, Axl.  

Not wanting to doesn't equal being scared.

It's like kids daring each other. Jump off this cliff! What? Are you scared?



Silly....




/jarmo



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Freya on April 11, 2012, 10:14:17 PM
Yeah, some of your posts belong in 2002.

They weren't cool back then either by the way.







/jarmo

It's called discourse Jarmo.  It should be allowed.  Otherwise everyone is just sitting around agreeing with each other.  I'm sorry you feel that way.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 10:15:25 PM
I'm sorry you think it's ok to be disrespectful to people in the band and working for the band just because you're bitter.

And, no it won't be allowed.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRBABY on April 11, 2012, 10:17:40 PM
I usually back Axl when he does things like this. I have always "seen things his way". However, "Guns N Roses" is Axl's band and his BRAND. To not show up is fine with me - totally fine. But to flat out refuse to be inducted into the HOF as a member of Guns N' Roses when he is in fact IN Guns N' Roses and owns Guns N' Roses is absurd. It's good for the brand to be in the HOF even though it's BS. This new line-up just now started to get love and respect from the press in 2011/2012. He has just liked that momentum. Why?


But he explained it...  ???


Besides. "It's good for the brand". Does that sound like something typical GN'R?

That sounds more like the way KISS is run.... Or a band like Bon Jovi.



/jarmo



He did explain it. But who really needs an explanation? A simple: "I am not coming, thank you" would have been fine. Jarmo, not everyone understands or knows about GNR like we do. (the HTGTH community) This massive letter was not nessesary imo. I don't care about the original line-up playing together again - I'd rather they not play again. I'd rather he not show up to the HOF. But this huge letter and refusing the award is silly and damages THIS current line-ups reputation.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: //JK75 on April 11, 2012, 10:18:32 PM
 :rant: I am angry, and sad about this..
But I know I'm the minority.

I don't like Mr Rose today.
Bash me if you want.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 10:20:05 PM
Well a simple "I'm not coming" would've been followed by a 100 page thread of D trying to find the answer on Youtube...

 ;)



:rant: I am angry, and sad about this..
But I know I'm the minority.

I don't like Mr Rose today.
Bash me if you want.

:pissedoff:




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: (paula) on April 11, 2012, 10:20:39 PM
We all know Adler is like a brain dead puppy dog.  Annoying, but mostly well-meaning and harmless.

Then they should have had no problem dumping him from the ceremony.  :yes:  I disagree on the well meaning part, but that's neither here nor there, and he is harmful to himself. Nothing to be scared of, but no reason to enable him or share a stage with him, either.

I haven't always appreciated Axl's rambles but I liked this letter, and judging from all the responses it was necessary for him to at least try to explain his reasoning.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 10:21:17 PM
I usually back Axl when he does things like this. I have always "seen things his way". However, "Guns N Roses" is Axl's band and his BRAND. To not show up is fine with me - totally fine. But to flat out refuse to be inducted into the HOF as a member of Guns N' Roses when he is in fact IN Guns N' Roses and owns Guns N' Roses is absurd. It's good for the brand to be in the HOF even though it's BS. This new line-up just now started to get love and respect from the press in 2011/2012. He has just liked that momentum. Why?


But he explained it...  ???


Besides. "It's good for the brand". Does that sound like something typical GN'R?

That sounds more like the way KISS is run.... Or a band like Bon Jovi.



/jarmo


See, I was Going to shut up and u had to go and drag them into it :rant: :rofl:

Would be weird in 50 years a kid go visit RRHOF and see GNR and Axl not be on the plaque or whatever the hell they have at HOF for bands in it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: estebanf on April 11, 2012, 10:22:23 PM
I just can't express my emotions and feelings of pure happiness and joy after reading Axl's words at the LA Times. This is probably one of my happiest days as a GN'R fan, being absolutely PROUD of Axl Rose, the soul and mastermind of the band we all love.

Thank you Axl Rose, once again, for not dissapointing us. For not letting your soul to be sold to the devil. For supporting and believeing in Guns N' Roses, which it's equal to say Bumblefoot, Dj ASHBA™, Richard Fortus, Tommy Stinson, Dizzy Reed, Chris Pitman, Frank Ferrer plus, of course, you.

Your integrity as a human being and as an artist is a light in the inmense shadows that covers this world, and a truly inspiration for a lot of us. Expect neverending loyalty from me, as a GNR fan, for the decision you made today.

I love you Axl. Esteban


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 10:24:44 PM
Well a simple "I'm not coming" would've been followed by a 100 page thread of D trying to find the answer on Youtube...

 ;)



/jarmo

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Gotta give credit for that... That was funny


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 11, 2012, 10:25:33 PM
I think the hall was hoping for some drama and controversy that it would stir up with Axl and Slash in the same room.

Axl did not let that happen.

Fans choose great bands, not the Rock N Roll Hall of fame.

And they still have not let Rush into their little club.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: estebanf on April 11, 2012, 10:36:50 PM
He fucked the current line-up by doing this (writing the letter - making a huge stink). They will never play arenas again in the USA because of this. My cell phone and FB is blowing up right now - all casual fans wanting to remind me what a douche my hero is.

are you worried for the sizes of the arenas, and for the opinions of a bunch of nobodies? are these really your problems?

Let's celebrate that:
- Axl is a man of honour.
- There is NOTHING more to speculate from now on. NOTHING. All has been said.
- There will NEVER be a reunion,
- Axl wont play in the same stage with Slash,
- Axl is 100% focused in his band, Guns N' Roses.
- Izzy and Duff are still friends of Axl and the band. The 2 bloodsuckers arent (Steven and $la$h)

I cant find better reasons to celebrate. Fantastic day to be a GNR fan.  :beer:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 11, 2012, 10:37:16 PM
I think the hall was hoping for some drama and controversy that it would stir up with Axl and Slash in the same room.

Axl did not let that happen.

Quote from: Axl
there's zero possibility of me having anything to do with Slash other than by ambush, and that wouldn't be pretty.
Axl, Feb 2009




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CIAT on April 11, 2012, 10:38:23 PM
Dee Snyder just asked Slash about Axl's statement at the Golden God Awards and he said something to the extent of "I'm not going to comment on that but, I'll be there".

Steven is being interviewed now on it. https://www.facebook.com/xbox/app_206157356151293

Edit: Dee just attacked Axl and called GNR "Rose N' Roses" and Steven agreed "it is Rose N' Roses". Dee said anyone who see's Axl's band is a traitor. Steven said something like "when I say it I'm the bad guy". Shows he was never truly remorseful about what he said about the current band.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jazjme on April 11, 2012, 10:38:30 PM
was gonna post a comment on what isnt there now...lol but seriously the world hasn't imploded. This was a ballsy stance, and a courageous one on Axl's part, and end of the day seriously the real fans will be there, there never will be reunion talking anymore less people are so dumb. Axl will take a load of crap, but in the end will come out ahead with his integrity , and a band that will and does give the fans everything they have.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: sexkitten on April 11, 2012, 10:40:36 PM
I'm really disappointed!  AFD changed my life and I feel the induction should have been a celebratory occasion honoring the great achievements of my favorite band.  They not only changed rock n roll history but also changed the lives of many of their fans!  Boo :crying:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FunkyMonkey on April 11, 2012, 10:42:58 PM
So they're still inducting him?

"We are sorry Axl will not be able to accept his Induction in person," a spokesperson for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame told MTV News in a statement on Wednesday.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1682937/axl-rose-guns-n-roses-declines-rock-roll-hall-fame.jhtml



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 11, 2012, 10:46:36 PM
Dee Snyder just asked Slash about Axl's statement at the Golden God Awards and he said something to the extent of "I'm not going to comment on that but, I'll be there".

Steven is being interviewed now on it. https://www.facebook.com/xbox/app_206157356151293

Edit: Dee just attacked Axl and called GNR "Rose N' Roses" and Steven agreed "it is Rose N' Roses". Dee said anyone who see's Axl's band is a traitor. Steven said something like "when I say it I'm the bad guy". Shows he was never truly remorseful about what he said about the current band.

Or that he's just high... again.

Or should I say still?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bandita on April 11, 2012, 10:48:19 PM
So they're still inducting him?

"We are sorry Axl will not be able to accept his Induction in person," a spokesperson for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame told MTV News in a statement on Wednesday.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1682937/axl-rose-guns-n-roses-declines-rock-roll-hall-fame.jhtml



I wouldn't read that much into it.  He clearly doesn't want to be mentioned.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 11, 2012, 10:53:14 PM
He fucked the current line-up by doing this (writing the letter - making a huge stink). They will never play arenas again in the USA because of this. My cell phone and FB is blowing up right now - all casual fans wanting to remind me what a douche my hero is.

are you worried for the sizes of the arenas, and for the opinions of a bunch of nobodies? are these really your problems?

Let's celebrate that:
- Axl is a man of honour.
- There is NOTHING more to speculate from now on. NOTHING. All has been said.
- There will NEVER be a reunion,
- Axl wont play in the same stage with Slash,
- Axl is 100% focused in his band, Guns N' Roses.
- Izzy and Duff are still friends of Axl and the band. The 2 bloodsuckers arent (Steven and $la$h)

I cant find better reasons to celebrate. Fantastic day to be a GNR fan.  :beer:

See, this is the type of shit that pisses me off right here.....

Completely disrespectful and uncalled for.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 11:03:58 PM
I just can't express my emotions and feelings of pure happiness and joy after reading Axl's words at the LA Times. This is probably one of my happiest days as a GN'R fan, being absolutely PROUD of Axl Rose, the soul and mastermind of the band we all love.

Thank you Axl Rose, once again, for not dissapointing us. For not letting your soul to be sold to the devil. For supporting and believeing in Guns N' Roses, which it's equal to say Bumblefoot, Dj ASHBA™, Richard Fortus, Tommy Stinson, Dizzy Reed, Chris Pitman, Frank Ferrer plus, of course, you.

Your integrity as a human being and as an artist is a light in the inmense shadows that covers this world, and a truly inspiration for a lot of us. Expect neverending loyalty from me, as a GNR fan, for the decision you made today.

I love you Axl. Esteban

Very well spoken, Esteban.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 11, 2012, 11:05:57 PM
I'm really disappointed!  AFD changed my life and I feel the induction should have been a celebratory occasion honoring the great achievements of my favorite band.  They not only changed rock n roll history but also changed the lives of many of their fans!  Boo :crying:

How is not still a celebratory occasion honoring the great achievements of your favorite band?

Because Axl and Slash aren't going to hug?



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bobarcord on April 11, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
Some of you really need to remove the virtual lips from the virtual ass. And I ain't talking about any particular sides.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: russtcb on April 11, 2012, 11:09:56 PM
Good for Axl. Way to stand up for what you believe in. Makes me happy to see there's still some integrity in rock and roll.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: sexkitten on April 11, 2012, 11:17:56 PM
I'm really disappointed!  AFD changed my life and I feel the induction should have been a celebratory occasion honoring the great achievements of my favorite band.  They not only changed rock n roll history but also changed the lives of many of their fans!  Boo :crying:

How is not still a celebratory occasion honoring the great achievements of your favorite band?

Because Axl and Slash aren't going to hug?


Because axl wont be there! It would have been amazing to see the original line up accepting their award together. Its a diss to the fans


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: fTw777 on April 11, 2012, 11:29:26 PM
If he doesn't wanna be inducted that's his prerogative and I don't see why he should as some people put it just go and accept the honor when it's obvious it doesn't really mean anything to him. Showing up and pretending like he cares about something when he really doesn't in my opinion would be the real slap in the face to fans it would be the exact opposite of the Axl Rose I've been a fan of for all these years.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GypsySoul on April 11, 2012, 11:32:22 PM
Because axl wont be there! It would have been amazing to see the original line up accepting their award together. Its a diss to the fans

Did you even bother to READ what Axl wrote?  ::)

Quote from: Axl
This decision is personal. This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective. Neither is meant to offend, attack or condemn. Though unfortunately I'm sure there will be those who take offense (God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout), I certainly don't intend to disappoint anyone, especially the fans, with this decision. Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around.

In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear. Nothing's changed.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Gunsguy on April 11, 2012, 11:34:35 PM
Wait a sec, some of you actually thought this was going to happen the way YOU wanted it to?   :confused:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 11, 2012, 11:44:10 PM
Why are people getting so wrapped up in Axl not going?

He never said he was actually going to attend, he just said it was an honor and stuff originally.

I still have a ticket to go and haven't 100% decided yes or no, I have a friend in Ohio who actually wants to buy it from me if I decide not to attend. Does my decision change now because of what Axl said? Not necessarily. I was iffy on going in the first place, I have seen the other attendees in the past few months and met them spoke with them briefly and said hello. Small brief conversation but it was worth it for me. Told them how much Appetite, Illusions, and their contributions meant to me being that I'm a huge GNR fan.

I mean my whole thing here is this: I'm going for Guns N' Roses. Axl won't be there - and I completely respect his decision not to. He walks to his own beat and does his own thing, and always has. Did I expect to see him? No. Was I hoping he would show up? Honestly, yes. Hoped he would show up accept the award and that was it. Did I want to see them perform? Not really.

No matter what Axl did here, he was fucked regardless. If he went and just accepted the award, the press would run stories how everything is patched up and how a reunion is in the works. If Axl went and played a song with the AFD/UYI lineup, it would obviously fuel the rumors even more and reunion talk would blow out of the water.

By not going and giving the HOF a big FU - Axl takes all the heat on himself for not going and not showing up. Earlier on the Golden God Awards, Dee Snider was out of line with his comments about Axl not going to the HOF and Adler once again made an ass out of himself making stupid ridiculous fucking comments.

Bottom line is this: if I go, I am going for Guns N' Roses as a whole. Only get to see that once, see the memorabilia and stuff. If I don't go - I have a nice weekend to enjoy to myself and may end up going hiking up in Northern Jersey. : ok:

*EDIT* Although watching this unfold may be quite interesting!  :beer:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Kitty on April 11, 2012, 11:49:16 PM
Good for Axl. Way to stand up for what you believe in. Makes me happy to see there's still some integrity in rock and roll.
Me too. I got excited reading the letter. I can't imagine any sort of reunion being a good thing, and I'm more happy with what we have now.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: sexkitten on April 11, 2012, 11:54:10 PM
Because axl wont be there! It would have been amazing to see the original line up accepting their award together. Its a diss to the fans

Did you even bother to READ what Axl wrote?  ::)
NO, I DIDNT EVEN BOTHER TO READ THE ARTICLE...YOUR AN ASS
Quote from: Axl
This decision is personal. This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective. Neither is meant to offend, attack or condemn. Though unfortunately I'm sure there will be those who take offense (God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout), I certainly don't intend to disappoint anyone, especially the fans, with this decision. Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around.

In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear. Nothing's changed.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: bailyrose on April 11, 2012, 11:56:58 PM
I'm sorry but that just sucks strait up. I wish he could have been there for his fans not just the guns fans. I gotta say I'm dissapointed but at the same time respect his decision.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 12, 2012, 12:04:54 AM
MTV isn't what it used to be... but it sure picked up on this story immediately after it went to all the newspapers and websites!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Ulises on April 12, 2012, 12:05:53 AM
How couldn't you love this guy? Axl is the fuckin' man.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: madison on April 12, 2012, 12:10:01 AM
I have to say I was deeply saddened to read Axl’s letter – and to hear that he changed his mind about attending this once-in-a-lifetime event and accept this incredible honor that allows him to join the best-of-the-best in music history. 

This honor isn’t just some grammy award or rock music award – where, if you don’t show up this year, there’s always next year. Nope.  This is a once-in-a-lifetime event – you’re only inducted once - if at all. And if you don’t show up, that moment is gone forever.

Some of the biggest and greatest rockers have talked about the excitement and honor they felt when they were inducted. Alice Cooper, for instance, used to play down the HOF when he was passed over 16 times, but was euphoric when he was finally inducted and admits it was an honor like no other. As Alice described it, he felt he was suddenly in the same ranks of many of his idols and recognized by his peers. “I’m in that league now, but I don’t feel like I should be because these guys to me were like royalty -  The Stones, the Beatles, the Kinks and the Who. Those were the guys that taught us everything. Now I guess I’m that guy with people like Slipknot and bands like that – and they’re all my friends,”   Alice said. “It’s a more humbling experience than an egotistical experience.”

Alice, as many of you know, was good friends with Axl.  He said he can’t imagine Axl and Slash not showing up for this event despite their past differences. “People can be mad at each other, but when it comes to something like this – that’s sort of a life-changing thing - you can’t snub your nose at an honor like that ….. . Even if they don’t talk to each other again for the rest of their lives, for that one night, I think that they would do it.” (He made these comments before Axl’s letter).

Axl seemed genuinely excited and honored when the inductions were announced late last year, and his comments toward Slash had considerably softened, where he appeared cordial and even respectful.  … So, what – or who - poisoned his mind about the ceremony between then and now?  And why would anyone, who truly had Axl’s best interest at heart, not encourage him to attend and accept this incredible honor? 

For those who say – it’s just for the fans. I disagree.   Diehard fans, who have been following the band from day one, have Axl’s best interest at heart.  If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be buying his records, attending his concerts, buying band merch, and posting on forums for years.  And yes, many wanted to share this incredible milestone with Axl by watching him accept this well-deserved award.  Sing or not sing – that’s his choice. But at least show up on stage to accept the award in front of his peers and fans.

GNR was Axl's baby – so why wouldn’t he want to be there to accept this highly-coveted award for his talent and influence?  It makes no sense - and may be a decision he lives to regret later.

Peace.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jazjme on April 12, 2012, 12:11:10 AM
Why are people getting so wrapped up in Axl not going?

He never said he was actually going to attend, he just said it was an honor and stuff originally.

I still have a ticket to go and haven't 100% decided yes or no, I have a friend in Ohio who actually wants to buy it from me if I decide not to attend. Does my decision change now because of what Axl said? Not necessarily. I was iffy on going in the first place, I have seen the other attendees in the past few months and met them spoke with them briefly and said hello. Small brief conversation but it was worth it for me. Told them how much Appetite, Illusions, and their contributions meant to me being that I'm a huge GNR fan.

I mean my whole thing here is this: I'm going for Guns N' Roses. Axl won't be there - and I completely respect his decision not to. He walks to his own beat and does his own thing, and always has. Did I expect to see him? No. Was I hoping he would show up? Honestly, yes. Hoped he would show up accept the award and that was it. Did I want to see them perform? Not really.

No matter what Axl did here, he was fucked regardless. If he went and just accepted the award, the press would run stories how everything is patched up and how a reunion is in the works. If Axl went and played a song with the AFD/UYI lineup, it would obviously fuel the rumors even more and reunion talk would blow out of the water.

By not going and giving the HOF a big FU - Axl takes all the heat on himself for not going and not showing up. Earlier on the Golden God Awards, Dee Snider was out of line with his comments about Axl not going to the HOF and Adler once again made an ass out of himself making stupid ridiculous fucking comments.

Bottom line is this: if I go, I am going for Guns N' Roses as a whole. Only get to see that once, see the memorabilia and stuff. If I don't go - I have a nice weekend to enjoy to myself and may end up going hiking up in Northern Jersey. : ok:

*EDIT* Although watching this unfold may be quite interesting!  :beer:

OR we can hang out and see Tommy Sunday at Union Hall!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 12, 2012, 12:12:22 AM
I have to say I was deeply saddened to read Axl’s letter – and to hear that he changed his mind about attending this once-in-a-lifetime event and accept this incredible honor that allows him to join the best-of-the-best in music history. 

This honor isn’t just some grammy award or rock music award – where, if you don’t show up this year, there’s always next year. Nope.  This is a once-in-a-lifetime event – you’re only inducted once - if at all. And if you don’t show up, that moment is gone forever.

Some of the biggest and greatest rockers have talked about the excitement and honor they felt when they were inducted. Alice Cooper, for instance, used to play down the HOF when he was passed over 16 times, but was euphoric when he was finally inducted and admits it was an honor like no other. As Alice described it, he felt he was suddenly in the same ranks of many of his idols and recognized by his peers. “I’m in that league now, but I don’t feel like I should be because these guys to me were like royalty -  The Stones, the Beatles, the Kinks and the Who. Those were the guys that taught us everything. Now I guess I’m that guy with people like Slipknot and bands like that – and they’re all my friends,”   Alice said. “It’s a more humbling experience than an egotistical experience.”

Alice, as many of you know, was good friends with Axl.  He said he can’t imagine Axl and Slash not showing up for this event despite their past differences. “People can be mad at each other, but when it comes to something like this – that’s sort of a life-changing thing - you can’t snub your nose at an honor like that ….. . Even if they don’t talk to each other again for the rest of their lives, for that one night, I think that they would do it.” (He made these comments before Axl’s letter).

Axl seemed genuinely excited and honored when the inductions were announced late last year, and his comments toward Slash had considerably softened, where he appeared cordial and even respectful.  … So, what – or who - poisoned his mind about the ceremony between then and now?  And why would anyone, who truly had Axl’s best interest at heart, not encourage him to attend and accept this incredible honor? 

For those who say – it’s just for the fans. I disagree.   Diehard fans, who have been following the band from day one, have Axl’s best interest at heart.  If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be buying his records, attending his concerts, buying band merch, and posting on forums for years.  And yes, many wanted to share this incredible milestone with Axl by watching him accept this well-deserved award.  Sing or not sing – that’s his choice. But at least show up on stage to accept the award in front of his peers and fans.

GNR was Axl's baby – so why wouldn’t he want to be there to accept this highly-coveted award for his talent and influence?  It makes no sense - and may be a decision he lives to regret later.

Peace.

Thanks Madison, for your input.

As always, you know what Axl is thinking, and what he's going to think in the future.

 : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Hudson on April 12, 2012, 12:13:50 AM
BTW, what is going to happen with Dizzy? I believe he originally confirmed he would be attending. I am sure now that Axl says he is not going means Dizzy is not going either. I think it would be cool if he would go.

The only positive thing I can see is that the rest of the original line up will get up on stage and perform. I think that would make a lot of fans happy to see these guys play even if Axl is not there.

If Axl does not want to go, then thats fine, that is his loss, especially since this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. As a result, the rest of the guys can do whatever they want including getting up there and jamming out with some other guy singing.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 12, 2012, 12:17:22 AM
For those of you out there who seem to think this is some sort of "missed opportunity"....

Legends don't play the game to get elected into the hall of fame, they play the game for the love of the game.

The best are those with integrity. Honor. Those who aren't seeking tokens and medals.

Axl didn't record all the music to make the RRHOF. I doubt the thought ever crossed his fucking mind in 1991. This seems to just be a big deal to the last wave of fans who still haven't really let go and fully embraced what the band is today.

And seriously, who the fuck cares what Alice Cooper thinks?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 12, 2012, 12:17:38 AM
BTW, what is going to happen with Dizzy? I believe he originally confirmed he would be attending. I am sure now that Axl says he is not going means Dizzy is not going either. I think it would be cool if he would go.

The only positive thing I can see is that the rest of the original line up will get up on stage and perform. I think that would make a lot of fans happy to see these guys play even if Axl is not there.

If Axl does not want to go, then thats fine, that is his loss, especially since this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. As a result, the rest of the guys can do whatever they want including getting up there and jamming out with some other guy singing.



Dizzy should go if he wants to regardless of Axl's decision. He is kind of the bridge between the old and new band.

The other original members playing with another singer would be as bad as  Van Halen performing without Eddie. Maybe Paul Shaeffer will sing?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 12, 2012, 12:19:22 AM
I have to say I was deeply saddened to read Axl’s letter – and to hear that he changed his mind about attending this once-in-a-lifetime event and accept this incredible honor that allows him to join the best-of-the-best in music history. 

I hate to beat a dead horse here... but WHEN did Axl ever say he was going to go?

???


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNR4L on April 12, 2012, 12:19:26 AM
Dee Snyder just asked Slash about Axl's statement at the Golden God Awards and he said something to the extent of "I'm not going to comment on that but, I'll be there".

Steven is being interviewed now on it. https://www.facebook.com/xbox/app_206157356151293

Edit: Dee just attacked Axl and called GNR "Rose N' Roses" and Steven agreed "it is Rose N' Roses". Dee said anyone who see's Axl's band is a traitor. Steven said something like "when I say it I'm the bad guy". Shows he was never truly remorseful about what he said about the current band.

WTF does Dee Snynder know about anything ?  he has to appear on a certain NBC show, just to be relevant.  Dee wishes he could could tour and put on 3hrs show's like Axl.  #jealousy


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 12, 2012, 12:20:27 AM
Dee Snyder just asked Slash about Axl's statement at the Golden God Awards and he said something to the extent of "I'm not going to comment on that but, I'll be there".

Steven is being interviewed now on it. https://www.facebook.com/xbox/app_206157356151293

Edit: Dee just attacked Axl and called GNR "Rose N' Roses" and Steven agreed "it is Rose N' Roses". Dee said anyone who see's Axl's band is a traitor. Steven said something like "when I say it I'm the bad guy". Shows he was never truly remorseful about what he said about the current band.

WTF does Dee Snynder know about anything ?  he has to appear on a certain NBC show, just to be relevant.  Dee wishes he could could tour and put on 3hrs show's like Axl.  #jealousy

Dee just had trouble doing one song on the Golden Gods. :hihi:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 12, 2012, 12:23:54 AM
 Axl mentions communication between himself and the HOF in the letter. Sounds like this played a part with him  being a no on attending.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CoreyRotic007 on April 12, 2012, 12:32:43 AM
Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern

 God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout

 Heh, you got that right Buddy-boy!

I support all incarnations of GNR, but while the majority of posters in this topic are carrying one-another around on shoulders, popping corks, and singing "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" because Axl seems to be taking one for the current lineup team, a VERY likely scenario is being overlooked.

 He just potentially cut the current lineup off at the knees.

 Let me explain...by declining the Rock Hall's induction he may not necessarily mean "Fuck Off", but you can bet your bottom dollar that there are going to be plenty of people within the organization who will take it as "Fuck Off."
 
 Believe me when I tell you that a healthy number of people on the board, the committee and on down the line are industry-professionals (promoters, programmers, publicists, etc...) who might just "respectfully decline" when the current band attempts to book a tour, or release new product, etc. And these types are an 'old boys club' and tend to stick together and certainly don't like wiping egg off of their faces.

 Not to mention the fans - who will see this splashed all over the media and likely draw the ol' Prima Donna conclusion - who just may "respectfully decline" to buy tickets and new product.

 This has a lot of room to end up 'not great' for the current band, the old band, the new fans, the old fans, or the everything fans all at once.
 

 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 12, 2012, 12:34:20 AM
Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern

 God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout

 Heh, you got that right Buddy-boy!

I support all incarnations of GNR, but while the majority of posters in this topic are carrying one-another around on shoulders, popping corks, and singing "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" because Axl seems to be taking one for the current lineup team, a VERY likely scenario is being overlooked.

 He just potentially cut the current lineup off at the knees.

 Let me explain...by declining the Rock Hall's induction he may not necessarily mean "Fuck Off", but you can bet your bottom dollar that there are going to be plenty of people within the organization who will take it as "Fuck Off."
 
 Believe me when I tell you that a healthy number of people on the board, the committee and on down the line are industry-professionals (promoters, programmers, publicists, etc...) who might just "respectfully decline" when the current band attempts to book a tour, or release new product, etc. And these types are an 'old boys club' and tend to stick together and certainly don't like wiping egg off of their faces.

 Not to mention the fans - who will see this splashed all over the media and likely draw the ol' Prima Donna conclusion - who just may "respectfully decline" to buy tickets and new product.

 This has a lot of room to end up 'not great' for the current band, the old band, the new fans, the old fans, or the everything fans all at once.
 

 

Cool story, bro. How about YOU keep doubting Axl and the boys and THEY kick the fuck out Europe this summer?



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on April 12, 2012, 12:34:26 AM
As posted on another forum:

All the outrage over Axl's decision (and letter) is one of the funniest things I've seen on these boards in a while. All the holier than thou, hypocritical backlash is really a sight to behold. Let's see, where to begin:

Axl had four "realistic" options, with four virtually identical sets of consequences:

-Say nothing, don't show up. Consequence: "they" call Axl a bitter, childish asshole who doesn't even respect "the fans" enough to let them know he won't be attending or why; same old, same old, Axl never communicates, people would be more accepting of his actions/choices if he had the common courtesy to explain things once in a while. The same people would either completely ignore the fact that Izzy didn't show up without saying anything, or simply write it off as "Izzy being Izzy"

-Show up, don't perform. Consequence: "they" say that Axl is a bitter, childish asshole who couldn't set aside his "petty grudges" for 15 minutes to perform with the old band; only showed up because he couldn't stand to see the old band collect accolades that he believes belong to him

-Show up, perform. Consequence: "they" would not be placated. While "they" claim that all they're asking/hoping for is for Axl to set aside his "petty grudges" for 15 minutes to perform with the old band, the moment Axl did it, that wouldn't be enough. "They" haven't gotten the message that Axl has stated very clearly for many years on the times he has spoken publicly: that he doesn't want a reunion. "They" would use this one off event as evidence of how "amazing" a reunion would be. "They" would be even more vocal than "they" already are about how Axl should ditch the new band and do a full blown reunion. "They" would call Axl a bitter, childish asshole for not "giving the fans what they want" and doing a full blown reunion.

-Don't show up, explain why. Consequence: you guessed it. "They" are calling Axl a bitter, childish asshole who is ruining it for the fans. And by writing a letter, he's simply proving that he's a drama queen who needs to make it all about him, all the time; "they" are saying it would be more respectable if, like Izzy, he just didn't say anything at all and didn't show up (yes, these are the same people who constantly complain about his "lack of communication" with the fans).


Let's face it: there was nothing Axl could do to placate 95% of the people who are pissed off. "They" would be right back to bitching relentlessly about everything he did within a month or two, regardless of his decision, unless his decision was to disintegrate the new band and do a reunion. That's it. That's the only thing that would truly satisfy them and there's no way in hell that was going to happen.


Then let's get to the levels of hypocrisy displayed by 95% of the people who are irate that Axl isn't showing up. "They" like to say that Axl is childish, petty, etc. Yet "they're" reacting like a bunch of 14 year olds who just got dumped for the first time, calling Axl names, saying that "they'll" never support anything Axl does again and boycotting all future shows, selling their tickets, etc. Essentially acting like Axl personally came and took a dump on their living room floor because he won't show up at an event and hang out with people that he doesn't like or want to associate with, just so "they" can get 10 or 15 minutes of enjoyment.

"Why can't Axl just show up and play 2 or 3 songs with the original lineup"

Why can't "they" just get over it? I guess "they" don't realize the irony of spewing so much venom at someone for not doing what "they" want, and calling that person pathetic and childish, when "they" are absolutely livid and whining as though Axl has ruined their life/hopes/dreams by not showing up and putting on a forced performance for a few minutes at an awards show. Pretty laughable, actually. Needless to say it's been an entertaining day on the Guns boards.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 12, 2012, 12:35:36 AM
Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern

 God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout

 Heh, you got that right Buddy-boy!

I support all incarnations of GNR, but while the majority of posters in this topic are carrying one-another around on shoulders, popping corks, and singing "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" because Axl seems to be taking one for the current lineup team, a VERY likely scenario is being overlooked.

 He just potentially cut the current lineup off at the knees.

 Let me explain...by declining the Rock Hall's induction he may not necessarily mean "Fuck Off", but you can bet your bottom dollar that there are going to be plenty of people within the organization who will take it as "Fuck Off."
 
 Believe me when I tell you that a healthy number of people on the board, the committee and on down the line are industry-professionals (promoters, programmers, publicists, etc...) who might just "respectfully decline" when the current band attempts to book a tour, or release new product, etc. And these types are an 'old boys club' and tend to stick together and certainly don't like wiping egg off of their faces.

 Not to mention the fans - who will see this splashed all over the media and likely draw the ol' Prima Donna conclusion - who just may "respectfully decline" to buy tickets and new product.

 This has a lot of room to end up 'not great' for the current band, the old band, the new fans, the old fans, or the everything fans all at once.
 

 

So you're saying that by declining to show up to an event that he is fucking over the current lineup?

The current lineup that just sold out shows and played all across the USA and North America to large crowds - off the heels of a very successful tour?

I think that the facts are on paper, the current lineup of GNR sell EXTREMELY well as evidence by the kick-ass tour they just got done being a part of!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRBABY on April 12, 2012, 12:37:05 AM
Someone did something to piss Axl off in the last few days. I am certain of this. I never once expected him to play with Slash and co at the HOF. I never once expected him to re-unite for a tour with classic GNR. I really didn't expect him to show up at the HOF at all. My problem is the damage he just did to 10 years of hard work pushing the current GNR by publishing this silly letter and refusing the honor of being inducted. I just don't see the strategy here at all. If he would have said nothing and done nothing and let it happen without him he'd be way better off. How does this help current GNR or what is the point? Just in bad taste imo. Not sexy.

People who resent him for simply not doing a reunion tour with classic line-up are stupid and immature - fuck'em! But how could this letter he wrote excite or open anyones mind to checking out the current GNR? It doesn't.

There is more to this story for sure.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 12, 2012, 12:38:04 AM
As posted on another forum:

All the outrage over Axl's decision (and letter) is one of the funniest things I've seen on these boards in a while. All the holier than thou, hypocritical backlash is really a sight to behold. Let's see, where to begin:

Axl had four "realistic" options, with four virtually identical sets of consequences:

-Say nothing, don't show up. Consequence: "they" call Axl a bitter, childish asshole who doesn't even respect "the fans" enough to let them know he won't be attending or why; same old, same old, Axl never communicates, people would be more accepting of his actions/choices if he had the common courtesy to explain things once in a while. The same people would either completely ignore the fact that Izzy didn't show up without saying anything, or simply write it off as "Izzy being Izzy"

-Show up, don't perform. Consequence: "they" say that Axl is a bitter, childish asshole who couldn't set aside his "petty grudges" for 15 minutes to perform with the old band; only showed up because he couldn't stand to see the old band collect accolades that he believes belong to him

-Show up, perform. Consequence: "they" would not be placated. While "they" claim that all they're asking/hoping for is for Axl to set aside his "petty grudges" for 15 minutes to perform with the old band, the moment Axl did it, that wouldn't be enough. "They" haven't gotten the message that Axl has stated very clearly for many years on the times he has spoken publicly: that he doesn't want a reunion. "They" would use this one off event as evidence of how "amazing" a reunion would be. "They" would be even more vocal than "they" already are about how Axl should ditch the new band and do a full blown reunion. "They" would call Axl a bitter, childish asshole for not "giving the fans what they want" and doing a full blown reunion.

-Don't show up, explain why. Consequence: you guessed it. "They" are calling Axl a bitter, childish asshole who is ruining it for the fans. And by writing a letter, he's simply proving that he's a drama queen who needs to make it all about him, all the time; "they" are saying it would be more respectable if, like Izzy, he just didn't say anything at all and didn't show up (yes, these are the same people who constantly complain about his "lack of communication" with the fans).


Let's face it: there was nothing Axl could do to placate 95% of the people who are pissed off. "They" would be right back to bitching relentlessly about everything he did within a month or two, regardless of his decision, unless his decision was to disintegrate the new band and do a reunion. That's it. That's the only thing that would truly satisfy them and there's no way in hell that was going to happen.


Then let's get to the levels of hypocrisy displayed by 95% of the people who are irate that Axl isn't showing up. "They" like to say that Axl is childish, petty, etc. Yet "they're" reacting like a bunch of 14 year olds who just got dumped for the first time, calling Axl names, saying that "they'll" never support anything Axl does again and boycotting all future shows, selling their tickets, etc. Essentially acting like Axl personally came and took a dump on their living room floor because he won't show up at an event and hang out with people that he doesn't like or want to associate with, just so "they" can get 10 or 15 minutes of enjoyment.

"Why can't Axl just show up and play 2 or 3 songs with the original lineup"

Why can't "they" just get over it? I guess "they" don't realize the irony of spewing so much venom at someone for not doing what "they" want, and calling that person pathetic and childish, when "they" are absolutely livid and whining as though Axl has ruined their life/hopes/dreams by not showing up and putting on a forced performance for a few minutes at an awards show. Pretty laughable, actually. Needless to say it's been an entertaining day on the Guns boards.

If there was some sort of here today gone to hell hall of fame for posts that make the most sense, this would be inducted. And no one would give a fuck if you showed up, btw.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 12, 2012, 12:40:50 AM
Not wanting to be inducted makes me think the powers that be at the R+RHOF tried to call the shots on things Axl was not down with. I could be totally wrong but thats the impression I get.

And good point by the poster above. If Axl showed up, graciously accepted, smiled a lot, etc. Would mainstream rock people or casual GNR fans care?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRBABY on April 12, 2012, 12:44:33 AM
Not wanting to be inducted makes me think the powers that be at the R+RHOF tried to call the shots on things Axl was not down with. I could be totally wrong but thats the impression I get.

And good point to the poster above. If Axl showed up, graciously accepted, smiled a lot, etc. Would mainstream rock people or casual GNR fans care?

I think you're right. Someone pissed him off somehow. We'll soon know what happened, but the rest of the world won't :no:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 12, 2012, 12:49:03 AM
Not wanting to be inducted makes me think the powers that be at the R+RHOF tried to call the shots on things Axl was not down with. I could be totally wrong but thats the impression I get.

And good point to the poster above. If Axl showed up, graciously accepted, smiled a lot, etc. Would mainstream rock people or casual GNR fans care?

I think you're right. Someone pissed him off somehow. We'll soon know what happened, but the rest of the world won't :no:

Especially if the Hall goes through with inducting Axl when he declined it... it will be interesting Saturday to see what happens.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNR4L on April 12, 2012, 12:52:40 AM
Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern

 God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout

 Heh, you got that right Buddy-boy!

I support all incarnations of GNR, but while the majority of posters in this topic are carrying one-another around on shoulders, popping corks, and singing "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" because Axl seems to be taking one for the current lineup team, a VERY likely scenario is being overlooked.

 He just potentially cut the current lineup off at the knees.

 Let me explain...by declining the Rock Hall's induction he may not necessarily mean "Fuck Off", but you can bet your bottom dollar that there are going to be plenty of people within the organization who will take it as "Fuck Off."
 
 Believe me when I tell you that a healthy number of people on the board, the committee and on down the line are industry-professionals (promoters, programmers, publicists, etc...) who might just "respectfully decline" when the current band attempts to book a tour, or release new product, etc. And these types are an 'old boys club' and tend to stick together and certainly don't like wiping egg off of their faces.

 Not to mention the fans - who will see this splashed all over the media and likely draw the ol' Prima Donna conclusion - who just may "respectfully decline" to buy tickets and new product.

 This has a lot of room to end up 'not great' for the current band, the old band, the new fans, the old fans, or the everything fans all at once.
 

 

So you're saying that by declining to show up to an event that he is fucking over the current lineup?

The current lineup that just sold out shows and played all across the USA and North America to large crowds - off the heels of a very successful tour?

I think that the facts are on paper, the current lineup of GNR sell EXTREMELY well as evidence by the kick-ass tour they just got done being a part of!

Don't forget the great fan reviews left on Ticketmaster.  Say what you will about Axl, he's done something no one in music has done before.  He has rebulit a band, basically from scratch and now their reaping the benefits.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Hudson on April 12, 2012, 12:52:46 AM
I would like to know what would have been acceptable for Axl. What would he have been ok with at th HOF and what was the straw that broke the camels back.

We know he was not going to perform so it cannot be that. Was it sitting next to Slash? What could have been so bad now that caused this reaction.

He seemed like he was really into it when he was interviewed by Eddie Teunk.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRBABY on April 12, 2012, 12:57:56 AM
Don't forget the great fan reviews left on Ticketmaster.  Say what you will about Axl, he's done something no one in music has done before.  He has rebulit a band, basically from scratch and now their reaping the benefits.

Yes that is all true and he just fucked all that momentum today.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 12, 2012, 12:59:10 AM
Don't forget the great fan reviews left on Ticketmaster.  Say what you will about Axl, he's done something no one in music has done before.  He has rebulit a band, basically from scratch and now their reaping the benefits.

Yes that is all true and he just fucked all that momentum today.

I don't agree - when the band gets back together next month and hits Europe the great reviews will keep pouring in and hopefully push this all aside and keep the focus on what really matters, Guns N' Roses are still touring and blowing away audiences on a nightly, 3 hour basis around the world.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom
Post by: Bodhi on April 12, 2012, 01:00:57 AM
Don't forget the great fan reviews left on Ticketmaster.  Say what you will about Axl, he's done something no one in music has done before.  He has rebulit a band, basically from scratch and now their reaping the benefits.

Yes that is all true and he just fucked all that momentum today.

How exactly did he do that?  By standing up for his band he somehow fucked up their momentum?  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNR4L on April 12, 2012, 01:01:11 AM
Don't forget the great fan reviews left on Ticketmaster.  Say what you will about Axl, he's done something no one in music has done before.  He has rebulit a band, basically from scratch and now their reaping the benefits.

Yes that is all true and he just fucked all that momentum today.

No.... Guns N' Roses have plenty of momentum.  They have a summer tour coming up, and who know's maybe another U.S. tour in the fall ?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: lynn1961 on April 12, 2012, 01:06:41 AM
I like the way Duff looks at things:

"The one reason that I am going to Cleveland this weekend.....I have realized how important this is all to those many, many fans that supported us and believed in us, and showed up for us in droves.....I have forgiven and forgotten. I have grown up and manned up. Part of me growing has been to realize I am powerless over others.

This whole deal, I hope, goes off without a hitch. I do hope we can achieve some grace in our acceptance. And I hope this grace, is enough, in the end, for the best rock and roll fans in the world. The Guns N' (f---ing) Roses fans."



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNR4L on April 12, 2012, 01:06:58 AM
Oh and Madison.... How about you create your own message board, maybe call it "AFD 87" and get your cronies to post there, so us real Guns N' Roses fans,  can post here about our favorite band today.  Great letter Axl I stand by you 100 percent.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CoreyRotic007 on April 12, 2012, 01:07:50 AM
Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern

 God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout

 Heh, you got that right Buddy-boy!

I support all incarnations of GNR, but while the majority of posters in this topic are carrying one-another around on shoulders, popping corks, and singing "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" because Axl seems to be taking one for the current lineup team, a VERY likely scenario is being overlooked.

 He just potentially cut the current lineup off at the knees.

 Let me explain...by declining the Rock Hall's induction he may not necessarily mean "Fuck Off", but you can bet your bottom dollar that there are going to be plenty of people within the organization who will take it as "Fuck Off."
 
 Believe me when I tell you that a healthy number of people on the board, the committee and on down the line are industry-professionals (promoters, programmers, publicists, etc...) who might just "respectfully decline" when the current band attempts to book a tour, or release new product, etc. And these types are an 'old boys club' and tend to stick together and certainly don't like wiping egg off of their faces.

 Not to mention the fans - who will see this splashed all over the media and likely draw the ol' Prima Donna conclusion - who just may "respectfully decline" to buy tickets and new product.

 This has a lot of room to end up 'not great' for the current band, the old band, the new fans, the old fans, or the everything fans all at once.
 

 

Cool story, bro. How about YOU keep doubting Axl and the boys and THEY kick the fuck out Europe this summer?



 At what point in my post did I suggest I doubted the band?
I doubt 'the industry machine.'

 Perfect, albeit odd, comparison to the situation...look at the Monkees. When they were filming their series and recording the sugary tunes that the suits hand-picked for them, the people in power at the label and the network were happy as clams.
 When the band said "this is bullshit, we're gonna do it OUR way", they went to a pretty cool place artistically and maintained a sense of integrity...and the people in control were scorned and torpedoed the poor bastards. Ruined them.
 I don't wanna see that happen to GNR, and hopefully I'm wrong...but making a bunch of heavyweights in several facets of the industry think they just got the finger from "some ingrate" (as I'm sure some of them will assume Axl to be) has plenty of room to yield some potentially shitty results.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 12, 2012, 01:13:21 AM
Great post

I laugh at people who downplay something like this as "no big deal"

LOL

Im sure when people on here just graduated college they were excited and count it as one of the biggest moments of their lives.

This is an ENORMOUS honor. especially first ballot.

for fans to claim it isn't.. makes me shake my head.

HOF of anything is a HUGE deal.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 12, 2012, 01:13:49 AM
Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern

 God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout

 Heh, you got that right Buddy-boy!

I support all incarnations of GNR, but while the majority of posters in this topic are carrying one-another around on shoulders, popping corks, and singing "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" because Axl seems to be taking one for the current lineup team, a VERY likely scenario is being overlooked.

 He just potentially cut the current lineup off at the knees.

 Let me explain...by declining the Rock Hall's induction he may not necessarily mean "Fuck Off", but you can bet your bottom dollar that there are going to be plenty of people within the organization who will take it as "Fuck Off."
 
 Believe me when I tell you that a healthy number of people on the board, the committee and on down the line are industry-professionals (promoters, programmers, publicists, etc...) who might just "respectfully decline" when the current band attempts to book a tour, or release new product, etc. And these types are an 'old boys club' and tend to stick together and certainly don't like wiping egg off of their faces.

 Not to mention the fans - who will see this splashed all over the media and likely draw the ol' Prima Donna conclusion - who just may "respectfully decline" to buy tickets and new product.

 This has a lot of room to end up 'not great' for the current band, the old band, the new fans, the old fans, or the everything fans all at once.
 

 

Cool story, bro. How about YOU keep doubting Axl and the boys and THEY kick the fuck out Europe this summer?



 At what point in my post did I suggest I doubted the band?
I doubt 'the industry machine.'

 Perfect, albeit odd, comparison to the situation...look at the Monkees. When they were filming their series and recording the sugary tunes that the suits hand-picked for them, the people in power at the label and the network were happy as clams.
 When the band said "this is bullshit, we're gonna do it OUR way", they went to a pretty cool place artistically and maintained a sense of integrity...and the people in control were scorned and torpedoed the poor bastards. Ruined them.
 I don't wanna see that happen to GNR, and hopefully I'm wrong...but making a bunch of heavyweights in several facets of the industry think they just got the finger from "some ingrate" (as I'm sure some of them will assume Axl to be) has plenty of room to yield some potentially shitty results.

Axl's been giving the finger to those people for the last 15 years.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 12, 2012, 01:14:54 AM
Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern

 God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout

 Heh, you got that right Buddy-boy!

I support all incarnations of GNR, but while the majority of posters in this topic are carrying one-another around on shoulders, popping corks, and singing "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" because Axl seems to be taking one for the current lineup team, a VERY likely scenario is being overlooked.

 He just potentially cut the current lineup off at the knees.

 Let me explain...by declining the Rock Hall's induction he may not necessarily mean "Fuck Off", but you can bet your bottom dollar that there are going to be plenty of people within the organization who will take it as "Fuck Off."
 
 Believe me when I tell you that a healthy number of people on the board, the committee and on down the line are industry-professionals (promoters, programmers, publicists, etc...) who might just "respectfully decline" when the current band attempts to book a tour, or release new product, etc. And these types are an 'old boys club' and tend to stick together and certainly don't like wiping egg off of their faces.

 Not to mention the fans - who will see this splashed all over the media and likely draw the ol' Prima Donna conclusion - who just may "respectfully decline" to buy tickets and new product.

 This has a lot of room to end up 'not great' for the current band, the old band, the new fans, the old fans, or the everything fans all at once.
 

 

Cool story, bro. How about YOU keep doubting Axl and the boys and THEY kick the fuck out Europe this summer?



 At what point in my post did I suggest I doubted the band?

You did that here....



He just potentially cut the current lineup off at the knees.
 

In my book, cutting something off at the knees is doubting it can continue how it currently is and that it is going to suffer immensely.

Just saying...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom
Post by: Bodhi on April 12, 2012, 01:19:33 AM
Great post

I laugh at people who downplay something like this as "no big deal"

LOL

Im sure when people on here just graduated college they were excited and count it as one of the biggest moments of their lives.



I skipped my college graduation ceremony actually, just sayin.   :hihi:  I was probably on here reading set list updates.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bobarcord on April 12, 2012, 01:21:28 AM
Don't forget the great fan reviews left on Ticketmaster.  Say what you will about Axl, he's done something no one in music has done before.  He has rebulit a band, basically from scratch and now their reaping the benefits.

Yes that is all true and he just fucked all that momentum today.

I don't agree - when the band gets back together next month and hits Europe the great reviews will keep pouring in and hopefully push this all aside and keep the focus on what really matters, Guns N' Roses are still touring and blowing away audiences on a nightly, 3 hour basis around the world.

playing 66% of material created by the old band.



more closer to 90% with another 3-5 % being other covers.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 12, 2012, 01:21:45 AM
More I think about this letter. The happier I am cause after this, he will have to release some new music. I can't see anyway around it. basically denouncing the old lineup, championing the current lineup.. he now kinda HAS to show what this band can do and that is a great thing.

Seriously, how much longer can the CD tour continue?


So if that letter leads to new music soon in the future... I'll stop bitching.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 12, 2012, 01:24:57 AM
More I think about this letter. The happier I am cause after this, he will have to release some new music. I can't see anyway around it. basically denouncing the old lineup, championing the current lineup.. he now kinda HAS to show what this band can do and that is a great thing.

Seriously, how much longer can the CD tour continue?


So if that letter leads to new music soon in the future... I'll stop bitching.



Then, and only then you will stop?  :rofl: God damn, Axl release some new freaking music!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: lynn1961 on April 12, 2012, 01:26:39 AM
More I think about this letter. The happier I am cause after this, he will have to release some new music. I can't see anyway around it. basically denouncing the old lineup, championing the current lineup.. he now kinda HAS to show what this band can do and that is a great thing.

Seriously, how much longer can the CD tour continue?


So if that letter leads to new music soon in the future... I'll stop bitching.



Oh, come on D!  That's not going to happen anytime soon, and you know it.  

  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 12, 2012, 01:29:31 AM
More I think about this letter. The happier I am cause after this, he will have to release some new music. I can't see anyway around it. basically denouncing the old lineup, championing the current lineup.. he now kinda HAS to show what this band can do and that is a great thing.

Seriously, how much longer can the CD tour continue?


So if that letter leads to new music soon in the future... I'll stop bitching.



Oh, come on D!  That's not going to happen anytime soon, and you know it.  

  

I call that a win-win

I get new music or I get to keep bitching!  :rofl: :rofl:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CoreyRotic007 on April 12, 2012, 01:33:01 AM
Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern

 God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout

 Heh, you got that right Buddy-boy!

I support all incarnations of GNR, but while the majority of posters in this topic are carrying one-another around on shoulders, popping corks, and singing "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" because Axl seems to be taking one for the current lineup team, a VERY likely scenario is being overlooked.

 He just potentially cut the current lineup off at the knees.

 Let me explain...by declining the Rock Hall's induction he may not necessarily mean "Fuck Off", but you can bet your bottom dollar that there are going to be plenty of people within the organization who will take it as "Fuck Off."
 
 Believe me when I tell you that a healthy number of people on the board, the committee and on down the line are industry-professionals (promoters, programmers, publicists, etc...) who might just "respectfully decline" when the current band attempts to book a tour, or release new product, etc. And these types are an 'old boys club' and tend to stick together and certainly don't like wiping egg off of their faces.

 Not to mention the fans - who will see this splashed all over the media and likely draw the ol' Prima Donna conclusion - who just may "respectfully decline" to buy tickets and new product.

 This has a lot of room to end up 'not great' for the current band, the old band, the new fans, the old fans, or the everything fans all at once.
 

 

Cool story, bro. How about YOU keep doubting Axl and the boys and THEY kick the fuck out Europe this summer?



 At what point in my post did I suggest I doubted the band?

You did that here....



He just potentially cut the current lineup off at the knees.
 

In my book, cutting something off at the knees is doubting it can continue how it currently is and that it is going to suffer immensely.

Just saying...

 Nah...there's no doubt of my own there, Sprinkles.
The whole post was a hypothetical situation. Note the word 'potentially' being used.
 Did I say anything remotely like "It is my opinion that GNR is surely doomed because people who turn the gears in press/media and the like will be butthurt and aggravated?"
 
 Try again, guys - no matter how much you'd like to think I'm tearing the band down, that's not my intent at all.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jazjme on April 12, 2012, 01:33:39 AM
More I think about this letter. The happier I am cause after this, he will have to release some new music. I can't see anyway around it. basically denouncing the old lineup, championing the current lineup.. he now kinda HAS to show what this band can do and that is a great thing.

Seriously, how much longer can the CD tour continue?


So if that letter leads to new music soon in the future... I'll stop bitching.



Oh, come on D!  That's not going to happen anytime soon, and you know it.  

  

I call that a win-win

I get new music or I get to keep bitching!  :rofl: :rofl:

yes ID say that is win win for you lol


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: lynn1961 on April 12, 2012, 01:36:36 AM
Which is what it's about - grow up, man up, deal with it.  It's an honor.  Be there and accept it gracefully, and don't make it more than what it is. 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Koskenkorvasieni on April 12, 2012, 01:50:06 AM
It's now 8,43am here and I first read about this a couple of hours ago on DJ's FB page as I was drinking my morning coffee and gettig ready to go to work.

I'm not one damn bit surprised.

Sure, I would have loved to see the AFD lineup together on stage, if not playing then at least accepting the honor. But you know what? I actually respect Axl for staying true to his principles and not compromising them for anyone or anything.

GNR sounds great as it is today, Slash's current thing with Myles sounds great too. Like I've said before, I'll enjoy what I've got available, rather than  spend my whole life longin for something that will never happen. It's just a rock band you know. I actually have a life besides Guns N' Roses, for fucks sake...  :rofl:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: lynn1961 on April 12, 2012, 02:06:25 AM
"It's crap...just put this stuff aside for an event like that, for the recognition like that, to do the cool thing, and respect for what you guys have done -  I think it's totally screwed up!"   Dee Snider


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 12, 2012, 02:12:34 AM
"It's crap...just put this stuff aside for an event like that, for the recognition like that, to do the cool thing, and respect for what you guys have done -  I think it's totally screwed up!"   Dee Snider

That's definitely the best way to win an argument, quote Dee Snider.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: lynn1961 on April 12, 2012, 02:16:25 AM
I'm not trying to win any argument.  He just said it like it is. 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: lynn1961 on April 12, 2012, 02:20:11 AM
So did Duff, but nobody cares about that. 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 12, 2012, 02:20:35 AM
I'm not trying to win any argument.  He just said it like it is. 

Yup, that's what Dee Snider (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nYeN5rBGgs) is known for, telling it like it is.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: lynn1961 on April 12, 2012, 02:29:42 AM
"I do hope we can achieve some grace in our acceptance."  Duff McKagan

 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: MNGS717 on April 12, 2012, 02:29:42 AM
And seriously, who the fuck cares what Alice Cooper thinks?

Exactly, he is a die-hard re-unionist stuck in 1988, along with Gene Simmons, and now Dee Snider.  All 3 whose interest in money trumps anything that could be considered music.  Both KISS and Alice Cooper recently promoted a sleazy Payday Loan company in the name of charity, but that is another story.

Many respects to Axl for what he has wrote.  I agree with his decision.  Only sorry that he had to write what he wrote, not that he wrote it.  He has been respectful all along.  The press article comments and comments on Twitter coming out now are just plain nasty/hateful, proof to me that he has made the right decision.  Steven has also been a complete and total asshole.  I won't say he ruined it though because for me there was no special moment I dreamed of to ruin.  Axl and Slash hugging? :drool:  I don't care about the HOF either way partially because of Warren Zevon(RIP) not being there among others, anyway hope to see another USA or #UCAP tour instead. :love:


12/16/2011 You want a speech..then here ya go, Axl talks about HOF at 7:08, then kicks a dolphin...that is enough for me..seriously it's not the end of the world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJiaY0Q9Tow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJiaY0Q9Tow)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: BurningHills on April 12, 2012, 02:40:34 AM
Good on Axl for standing by his beliefs.

He's not for sale, and that's always been my favorite thing about him.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: westcoast_junkie on April 12, 2012, 02:45:23 AM
"It's crap...just put this stuff aside for an event like that, for the recognition like that, to do the cool thing, and respect for what you guys have done -  I think it's totally screwed up!"   Dee Snider

Hehe, just look what Dee's doin' theese days. Is that because of lack of recognition? Don't get me wrong, I kinda like Twisted, AND I think this commercial with Dee, for Unibet is kinda fun, but still....I kinda feel that's the opposite of what Axl's doin' with his letter and refusing being inducted : ok:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjX_MvILv38 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjX_MvILv38)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: zombux on April 12, 2012, 02:47:44 AM
the guy is like a sharp-edged cube. not giving a flying fuck about whoever wants him to do whatever, he just stays himself. very well written, and also very clear "fuck you" to Adler & all the haters. in my eyes, respect for Axl +100%. respect for Adler... well, I already had zero before :rofl:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: JMB-GNR on April 12, 2012, 02:59:48 AM
This says it all:

Quote
"Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense."

See you guys in Germany and Holland, looking forward to it!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axlspants on April 12, 2012, 03:01:43 AM
See this is going to be a very busy topic as we all throw our opinions into the hat. Mine for what its worth is this,

I never really understood what this HOF this was about, over here in the UK to me anyway, its just another awards show type thing. As a Guns N Roses fan since 1991 I didn't feel like there induction to the HOF was a important to justify my love of the band either old or new.

I've grown up with Axl and the changes in line up and right now in 2012 we need this new, current lineup touring and hopefully releasing new music. I've said it before, if its nostalgia you are after watch your Tokyo dvd's again.

My other half says that I'd defend Axl no matter what even though I have never met the guy, maybe that's true but I think he was right to shun this HOF stuff it was only ever gonna blow up in his face, it still will as the reunion lot will blame him for it not happening but at least now it will be on his terms.

Can't wait to see Guns N Roses rock the UK again next month.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: BurningHills on April 12, 2012, 03:05:05 AM
Fox News Radio just reported on it and ended with..

"The rock hall of fame will put more music onstage to presumably fill the hole left by Axl."

 If standing by your beliefs and not being for sale is wrong, then I sure as hell don't want to be right.

Lemmy said it best and I'll quote him the best that I can, but he once said something to the effect of "If you're doing what you feel is right, then stand up for it - until death."

Axl has always had my respect for that very reason, and he will always have my respect for that very reason.

"You can bid all day, but I can't be bought", as Kid Rock once said.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Christos AG on April 12, 2012, 03:06:24 AM
I gotta be honest here...

It amazes me that people still had hopes of a reunion after all these years. I never aim to "please", I always tell things as they are. You've been lied to by the "Press" hundreds of times all these years cause their job is to sell you drama. They convinced you that a reunion "could" happen.

And now many of you are mad at Axl for keep on doing what he's been doing all of his life. Being honest and courageous enough to tell things as they are. I thought this was the reason we all love him for. I thought people loved his "rants". Unfortunately people love happy endings, at any cost. If they don't get it their way, they get mad.

This "happy ending" that you were seeking though, would end up having many casualties. Something the "fans" never cared for. Axl stands by the people who stood by him through rough times. He could have gone there, accept the award, play a couple of songs and you really think that would be the end? After that you would ask for more and more and more... You know you would. Even rocks have enough brains to understand that. It won't happen.

A reunion between people who hate each other? Is that something you really want? A reunion for money? That is what Axl denied last night... That is what he's been denying for the past 10 years and the reason he's been changing managers every few years. All the money in the world.

This is the reason I RESPECT this man. This is the reason I'll never betray this man. Accept it, move on, if you don't like the new band, don't go to the shows.

There shouldn't be any negativity in your heart about Axl. He is an artist who gave us lots of happy memories and he gave us some incredible songs to sing to for the rest of our lives. Respect his decisions and don't ask for more than what you paid for.

Peace everyone.

Christos

FREEDOM THROUGH MUSICAL INTEGRITY.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: BurningHills on April 12, 2012, 03:07:51 AM
I gotta be honest here...

It amazes me that people still had hopes of a reunion after all these years. I never aim to "please", I always tell things as they are. You've been lied to by the "Press" hundreds of times all these years cause their job is to sell you drama. They convinced you that a reunion "could" happen.

And now many of you are mad at Axl for keep on doing what he's been doing all of his life. Being honest and courageous enough to tell things as they are. I thought this was the reason we all love him for. I thought people loved his "rants". Unfortunately people love happy endings, at any cost. If they don't get it their way, they get mad.

This "happy ending" that you were seeking though, would end up having many casualties. Something the "fans" never cared for. Axl stands by the people who stood by him through rough times. He could have gone there, accept the award, play a couple of songs and you really think that would be the end? After that you would ask for more and more and more... You know you would. Even rocks have enough brains to understand that. It won't happen.

A reunion between people who hate each other? Is that something you really want? A reunion for money? That is what Axl denied last night... That is what he's been denying for the past 10 years and the reason he's been changing managers every few years. All the money in the world.

This is the reason I RESPECT this man. This is the reason I'll never betray this man. Accept it, move on, if you don't like the new band, don't go to the shows.

There shouldn't be any negativity in your heart about Axl. He is an artist who gave us lots of happy memories and he gave us some incredible songs to sing to for the rest of our lives. Respect his decisions and don't ask for more than what you paid for.

Peace everyone.

Christos

FREEDOM THROUGH MUSICAL INTEGRITY.

Bravo, sir. Bra-vo.

Well said.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: nekomex on April 12, 2012, 03:12:20 AM
Great post

I laugh at people who downplay something like this as "no big deal"

LOL

Im sure when people on here just graduated college they were excited and count it as one of the biggest moments of their lives.

This is an ENORMOUS honor. especially first ballot.

for fans to claim it isn't.. makes me shake my head.

HOF of anything is a HUGE deal.

Are you kidding?

No its not a big deal, for some it might but being realistic almost no one gives a fuck if a band its in the hall of fame of rock, in a matter of fact it sound like a contradiction for some rock bands to be on a thing like this , but anyway.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ITARocker on April 12, 2012, 03:14:43 AM
Axl letter is well written and... I really didn't expect anything more from him.

I think he take hismelf so seriously that he can't understand that people can forgive/forget his bad performances and a lot of other things, like no videos, no album or long album delay, even his  "particular vision of life and things", but to me at the end this is just so sad. I think long time fans would show less tollerance to him for everything now more than ever.
With this move he has lost a lot of fans, who desidered and even deserved this cadeaux, thischance was  like "get out of the fucking bunker man, war is over". But ok, war is not over for him. If it's all about "not selling himself" he wouldn't had attended mtv awards in 2002 e in 2006. And Axl dude If you want to "bury afd" (25 years has gone, everyone could have buried it in this lifetime) and even the old lineup, play mostly new songs and we'll see if people will "get confused" about the new band.

And Axl you're doing exactly what marlon brando did.

Dizzy should be there, and we'll see what is really hilarious... But i'm sure dizzy would change magically his mind.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl's Favorite Mechanical Bull on April 12, 2012, 03:40:16 AM


I think a certain someone once used the line "FREEDOM THROUGH MUSICAL INTEGRITY"

 :smoking:

That quote seems so familiar.  Did our boy use that line?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Christos AG on April 12, 2012, 03:51:11 AM


I think a certain someone once used the line "FREEDOM THROUGH MUSICAL INTEGRITY"

 :smoking:

That quote seems so familiar.  Did our boy use that line?

It was printed 10 years ago on the tshirts sold during the UK "tour" (it was actually 2 shows...)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Koskenkorvasieni on April 12, 2012, 03:54:59 AM
A LOT of bands have gone through reunion just for the money, like Kiss and The Eagles for example. But Kiss ended up parting ways with Criss and Frehley yet again about ten years ago and Eagles ended up firing Don Felder. At least Axl won't even pretend to want to reunite with his former bandmates and chooses to focus his energy on the current band. I respect him for that.

Besides, even if the old lineup would get back together on stage again, it still wouldn't be the same as 1987. They're not the same as they were then.

The one I feel most badly for is Steven. Poor guy never really bounced back from what happened to him in 1990..


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cyllan on April 12, 2012, 04:34:52 AM
Axlspants - as a fellow Brit, the whole so-called "honour" of this award has passed me by too. If Axl had chosen to embrace the thing wholeheartedly I'd have supported him because, after all's said and done, it's his feelings that count on this matter and not mine. That said, I can't pretend I'm not pleased that he won't be a part of the circus.

Christos - Thanks for a superb post. I endorse your sentiments 100% and you put it far more eloquently than I would have done. Cheers.  : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: nick6sic6 on April 12, 2012, 04:49:51 AM
Real anti-rock star,honest and respectful letter.It came to end all speculations and shut people up. And the first to piss all over RNRHOF deservingly.

Thank you Axl for being the person we all love and support. Time to close 100+ page threads of people dreaming.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axlspants on April 12, 2012, 04:54:35 AM
I was half expecting the 'well I'm from the UK and I think its a massive deal' response. I just don't get the fuss really, its just some people saying you are good at what you do, the record sales do that.

At least the 2012 Guns n Roses fans can now get on with supporting this wonderful band and the nostalgia brigade can cry into their slash wigs!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: willow on April 12, 2012, 04:59:06 AM
Thank you Axl!! There are people, fans, that are out there and totally support you! It's sad that you don't feel welcome at the awards but I for one don't go where I don't feel welcome. There is enough shit we have to go threw in life, I would avoid a possible catastrophe like that too. I think its honorable that you stand for your current band. After all they are standing by you and you have been with most of them a lot longer then the original line up. The true fans will stand by you and understand. Don't let the haters get you down.
peace out
amyl


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 12, 2012, 05:01:48 AM
ok, so he is talking his way out in about last minute.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: rebelhipi on April 12, 2012, 05:02:09 AM
im so glad that someone has still the balls to not do everyfucking thing the press wants you to do.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Christos AG on April 12, 2012, 05:06:13 AM
ok, so he is talking his way out in about last minute.

Out of 1000 words, this is what you see?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: norway on April 12, 2012, 05:19:44 AM
Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things...


I agree w this, where the fuck is Buckethead? Seriously... :confused:

Matt get inducted, but not Bucket ::) Some seems oblivious to this reaction, Axl doesn't. Thank you!



In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear.

Yep! Some rockfans/rockers are too nostalgic and r awaiting to be revolutionised. I even think he is too kind in wordusage declining the proposed induction of GunsN'Roses. It (the induction) should have been done diferently, either AFD line-up only or from all the line-ups. Thanks again to Axl Rose, honesty without compromise! :peace:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 12, 2012, 05:20:56 AM
ok, so he is talking his way out in about last minute.

Out of 1000 words, this is what you see?

sure there's lots more in it but regardless all his talking, arguments and views - the main message remains: Axl openly says 3 days before the event that he wont attend the HOF cerenomy.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: norway on April 12, 2012, 05:25:59 AM
im so glad that someone has still the balls to not do everyfucking thing the press wants you to do.

Yeah, he shoulda just been more crude :P fuck them

Lots of gunsnroses fans are like people as me, we accept (lots of us love the singer's voice, his dance/style and lots of music often gets associated with the leadsinger, which I know many writers can struggle with) DjAsbha and the musical-style/direction he represents and the current classical/traditional rock that gunsnroses performs, but we thought _and still hope_ we were getting something that are going more against the established norms...so if they gonna start shit or generate negative press, they should at least reflect the reality of the public, not their own degenerated or as Axl put it; contrived approach.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl's Favorite Mechanical Bull on April 12, 2012, 05:46:59 AM
I wish all the people that are getting so angry and upset over this have heart attacks and die.

I also wish bad things upon their children.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: norway on April 12, 2012, 05:48:56 AM

This is entertainment guys ;D


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl's Favorite Mechanical Bull on April 12, 2012, 05:51:41 AM
That's show business!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Koskenkorvasieni on April 12, 2012, 05:57:23 AM
I wish all the people that are getting so angry and upset over this have heart attacks and die.

I also wish bad things upon their children.

Wow. Someone clearly has anger management issues.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: westcoast_junkie on April 12, 2012, 05:57:45 AM
I wish all the people that are getting so angry and upset over this have heart attacks and die.

I also wish bad things upon their children.

Agree that this is nothing to be upset about, but....F* u. Don't bring no children into this....TROLL...embarrasing :-[


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: erose on April 12, 2012, 06:02:01 AM
Good on Axl for standing by his beliefs.

He's not for sale, and that's always been my favorite thing about him.


Word up, hear hear etc. etc.

As far as I'm concerned this hall of fame thing, as I learn about it, is crap. Yes it's an honor, but the concept just doesn't work. It's clearly very flawed in most aspects.

It works better in sports I guess, especially individual sport, where you have concrete records of achievements, but for music... Not so much.

Fuck it, move on and enjoy the live shows. Thats what it's all about.

Always nice to read Axl's letters. Very well written imo as all of his work.

I think he'd do very well working for a serious news paper writing serious comments. Like Biff Malibu of Gluecifer!  ;)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl's Favorite Mechanical Bull on April 12, 2012, 06:03:04 AM
I wish all the people that are getting so angry and upset over this have heart attacks and die.

I also wish bad things upon their children.

Wow. Someone clearly has anger management issues.
I wish all the people that are getting so angry and upset over this have heart attacks and die.

I also wish bad things upon their children.

Agree that this is nothing to be upset about, but....F* u. Don't bring no children into this....TROLL...embarrasing :-[

You two, stop taking life so seriously, especially da internetz.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 12, 2012, 06:05:08 AM
Some of the comments on here really are on another level ! Wishing bad things on other fans because of their opinion, not going to another show because of Axl's letter. Emotions are pretty high at the minute but can we please start showing some respect around here !!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: StardustGirl on April 12, 2012, 06:07:17 AM
Once again I have to marvel the human nature. Ask almost anyone and just about everyone will say that they admire people who don't sell out and betray their principles and being rock n' roll is cool, but when someone for a change lives up to the standard, the response is an overwhelming amount of sh*t.

Talk about rock and a hard place, the way the general media has presented this whole hof thing is reunion, reunion, reunion, which means a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of set up for Axl. We are now seeing a twist of the not going and/or not preforming scenario. If he went and performed, the media for sure would take it as a confirmation of a reunion, no matter how hard it was pointed out as a one off thing. The sad thing is, the easiest way out of all this would be for Axl to say that let bygones be bygones, let's get out on the road, do a reunion tour and make shitloads of money because people want to relive their youth. A large number of bands from the 80s have done this kind of thing and live off replaying the old hits.

Once again I'm reminded why Guns n' Roses is the band that rocks my world. Instead of taking the easy road paved with fast cash, Axl has chosen integrity and supports the band of 2012, not something that existed decades ago.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 06:13:11 AM
The way the media have portrayed everything since 1996 is reunion, reunion, reunion. It's not going to stop just because Axl won't be at the Hall Of Fame.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: westcoast_junkie on April 12, 2012, 06:17:11 AM
Once again I'm reminded why Guns n' Roses is the band that rocks my world. Instead of taking the easy road paved with fast cash, Axl has chosen integrity and supports the band of 2012, not something that existed decades ago.


Exactly what I felt : ok:

And AFBull, of course I don't take you seriously. In fact, when u use that language and say things like that, people won't take you seriously.....cause it makes you look angry, bitter and dumb ::)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Koskenkorvasieni on April 12, 2012, 06:20:37 AM
And AFBull, of course I don't take you seriously. In fact, when u use that language and say things like that, people won't take you seriously.....cause it makes you look angry, bitter and dumb ::)

Yeah. Not everything can be written off as a harmless joke.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: superstarmc on April 12, 2012, 07:44:25 AM
When you inducted into the baseball hall of fame that's badass.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: zombux on April 12, 2012, 08:00:57 AM
When you inducted into the baseball hall of fame that's badass.
local newspaper compares Axl to Sex Pistols, saying they had declined HOF in the past, too


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: DeN on April 12, 2012, 08:01:58 AM
well, I didn't think he would choose the easy way.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 08:05:46 AM
When you inducted into the baseball hall of fame that's badass.
local newspaper compares Axl to Sex Pistols, saying they had declined HOF in the past, too

As much as I disagree with the decision, Axl did it with a lot more class and style than the Sex Pistols.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: spgunner on April 12, 2012, 08:16:47 AM
Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern

To: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

When the nominations for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame were first announced I had mixed emotions but, in an effort to be positive, wanting to make the most of things for the fans and with their enthusiasm, I was honored, excited and hoped that somehow this would be a good thing. Of course I realized as things stood, if Guns N' Roses were to be inducted it'd be somewhat of a complicated or awkward situation.

Since then we've listened to fans, talked with members of the board of the Hall Of Fame, communicated with and read various public comments and jabs from former members of Guns N' Roses, had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame, read various press (some legit, some contrived) and read other artists' comments weighing in publicly on Guns and the Hall with their thoughts.

Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out. Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things... no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.

For the record, I would not begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such. Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine.

That said, I won't be attending The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2012 Ceremony and I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N' Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of "Guns N' Roses".

This decision is personal. This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective. Neither is meant to offend, attack or condemn. Though unfortunately I'm sure there will be those who take offense (God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout), I certainly don't intend to disappoint anyone, especially the fans, with this decision. Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around.

In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear. Nothing's changed.

The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba.

Izzy came out with us a few times back in '06 and I invited him to join us at our LA Forum show last year. Steven was at our show at the Hard Rock, later in '06 in Las Vegas, where I invited him to our after-party and was rewarded with his subsequent interviews filled with reunion lies. Lesson learned. Duff joined us in 2010 and again in '11 along with his band, Loaded, opening in Seattle and Vancouver. For me, with the exception of Izzy or Duff joining us on stage if they were so inclined somewhere in the future for a song or two, that's enough.

There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities. Until every single one of those generating from or originating with the earlier lineups has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion.

Maybe if it were you it'd be different. Maybe you'd do it for this reason or that. Peace, whatever. I love our band now. We're there for each other when the going get's rough. We love our fans and work to give them every ounce of energy and heart we can.

So let sleeping dogs lie or lying dogs sleep or whatever. Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense.

But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on. No one's taking the ball and going home. Don't get it twisted. For more than a decade and a half we've endured the double standards, the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types. Not to imply anything in this particular circumstance, but from my perspective in regard to both the Hall and a reunion, the ball's never been in our court.

In closing, regardless of this decision and as hard to believe or as ironic as it may seem, I'd like to sincerely thank the board for their nomination and their votes for Guns' induction. More importantly I'd like to thank the fans for being there over the years, making any success we've had possible and for enjoying and supporting Guns N' Roses music.

I wish the Hall a great show, congratulations to all the other artists being inducted and to our fans we look forward to seeing you on tour!!

Sincerely,

Axl Rose

P.S. RIP Armand, Long Live ABC III

Axl, I know it’s a personal decision. But thank you so much anyway – one of the things that made me love Guns N’ Roses so much is the way you handle things. It’s about rock n’ roll, it’s about music, it’s about being real n’ not selling your soul.
Many bands out there would kill to be at the RNRHOF. You declined. Because you’re not like everybody else out there. That’s why Guns N’ Roses gets bigger n’ bigger as time flies, n’ that’s why more n’ more people recognizes Guns N’ Roses is much better now than ever – because it’s real.
When you do something straight from the heart, it may take a while, but people will see. And people are seeing it now !
Thanks for keeping Guns alive – looking forward for the new gigs! I have seen Guns live with many different line ups n’ this one is the best fuckin’ shit in the world !!!!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FunkyMonkey on April 12, 2012, 08:17:51 AM
So they're still inducting him?

"We are sorry Axl will not be able to accept his Induction in person," a spokesperson for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame told MTV News in a statement on Wednesday.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1682937/axl-rose-guns-n-roses-declines-rock-roll-hall-fame.jhtml


I wouldn't read that much into it.  He clearly doesn't want to be mentioned.


ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME To Go Ahead With AXL ROSE Induction - Apr. 12, 2012

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame will induct GUNS N' ROSES lead singer Axl Rose with the rest of the band's classic lineup despite the fact that he has asked to have his name withdrawn as a member of the group he co-founded and still fronts today.

In an open letter released on GN'R's official web site on Wednesday, Rose wrote that after listening to fans and reading "various public comments and jabs from former members" of the band, as well as assorted press coverage, he has decided to "respectfully decline [his] induction as a member of GUNS N' ROSES to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame." He added, "I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf."

"We are sorry Axl will not be able to accept his induction in person," Lauren Bishop, a spokeswoman for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, said in a statement.

Rose closed his letter saying, "as ironic as it may seem, I'd like to sincerely thank the board for their nomination and their votes for GUNS' induction."

According to the Rock Hall, only the SEX PISTOLS have declined induction before.

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=172512



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 08:22:39 AM
So they're still inducting him?

"We are sorry Axl will not be able to accept his Induction in person," a spokesperson for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame told MTV News in a statement on Wednesday.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1682937/axl-rose-guns-n-roses-declines-rock-roll-hall-fame.jhtml


I wouldn't read that much into it.  He clearly doesn't want to be mentioned.


ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME To Go Ahead With AXL ROSE Induction - Apr. 12, 2012

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame will induct GUNS N' ROSES lead singer Axl Rose with the rest of the band's classic lineup despite the fact that he has asked to have his name withdrawn as a member of the group he co-founded and still fronts today.

In an open letter released on GN'R's official web site on Wednesday, Rose wrote that after listening to fans and reading "various public comments and jabs from former members" of the band, as well as assorted press coverage, he has decided to "respectfully decline [his] induction as a member of GUNS N' ROSES to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame." He added, "I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf."

"We are sorry Axl will not be able to accept his induction in person," Lauren Bishop, a spokeswoman for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, said in a statement.

Rose closed his letter saying, "as ironic as it may seem, I'd like to sincerely thank the board for their nomination and their votes for GUNS' induction."

According to the Rock Hall, only the SEX PISTOLS have declined induction before.

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=172512



Good. I can't fathom how someone who has spent the last 15 years insisting he has the right to the Guns N' Roses name (a claim I happen to agree with) can even think it would be a good idea to refuse to be associated with Guns N' Roses in any way during an induction ceremony. The Hall are making the right move, because Guns N' Roses being inducted without any one of those guys wouldn't really be Guns N' Roses being inducted at all. Just guys from Guns N' Roses.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ARX on April 12, 2012, 08:29:31 AM
Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things...


I agree w this, where the fuck is Buckethead? Seriously... :confused:

Matt get inducted, but not Bucket ::) Some seems oblivious to this reaction, Axl doesn't. Thank you!

I took this more as he didnt like Green Day inducting them and Kid Rock preforming for GnR performance. And that he wasnt really included in the selection process. I highly doubt Axl feels Bucket should b included. Say what you want about Matt but he did perform on UYI albums and SI

In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear.

Yep! Some rockfans/rockers are too nostalgic and r awaiting to be revolutionised. I even think he is too kind in wordusage declining the proposed induction of GunsN'Roses. It (the induction) should have been done diferently, either AFD line-up only or from all the line-ups. Thanks again to Axl Rose, honesty without compromise! :peace:



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Hudson on April 12, 2012, 08:38:15 AM
This is the HOF saying fuck you right back to Axl. I am glad because this was completely uncalled for. He has really made it a bigger issue than it really is, and I think he is really doing a disservice to the new band as they will be hit with some repercussions because of Axls letter.

Now all he needs is Steven accepting the award on his behalf because Axl could not be there. How crazy would that be.  If he would have shown up he would have been in charge accepted the award and gone home. Now it is going to get interesting.

If Axl wants to so distance himself from the former members and the past he should stand up for what he believes as he is doing, but he should not play any songs from Appetite, lies, and the illusion records. Instead stand by the new members and only play CD and any new music he puts out. Let's see how that goes even under the GnR name.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ITARocker on April 12, 2012, 08:50:53 AM

If Axl wants to so distance himself from the former members and the past he should stand up for what he believes as he is doing, but he should not play any songs from Appetite, lies, and the illusion records. Instead stand by the new members and only play CD and any new music he puts out. Let's see how that goes even under the GnR name.

This is what I said some post ago. So  I totally agree. But you know, you've got to have more balls to accept less attendance at your shows than write a letter.

Beside this, I hope dizzy would be there   :yes:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 08:51:12 AM
What a bunch of bullshit.

If Axl doesn't wanna go and smile for the cameras at the RNRHOF so some of you get your photo of the "reunion", he shouldn't play any old songs?

WTF.

How about all the guys who QUIT the band stop playing the GN'R songs? Isn't that fair to ask? They wanted nothing to do with GN'R and left. Why are they playing the songs? Oh wait, that's not a problem!




I still think it's ironic that the so called fans from the old days seem to be the most clueless on how Axl and GN'R conduct themselves.

I guess somewhere along the line, GN'R started doing everything the establishment asked them to do? Axl would allow himself to be ambushed into playing ball so the RNRHOF gets the publicity of the magical reunion?


If you believe all this, you're unfortunately been living under a rock for quite some time, or just live in your own fantasy world.

I guess these same people now expect Izzy to show up and sing. Until they're told "I'm not sure he will show up..."






/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 08:53:45 AM
The only people who were talking about a reunion were the same people who have been talking about a reunion for 15 years, and will still be talking about a reunion in 15 years time. They weren't being forced into anything just because the same people who've always been talking about it are still talking about it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 08:56:32 AM
The only people who were talking about a reunion were the same people who have been talking about a reunion for 15 years, and will still be talking about a reunion in 15 years time. They weren't being forced into anything just because the same people who've always been talking about it are still talking about it.

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here's zero possibility of me having anything to do with Slash other than by ambush, and that wouldn't be pretty.
Feb, 2009


Fast forward three years: Come! There's this award ceremony. All your old friends are here! Come! Come!





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 12, 2012, 08:59:15 AM
When you inducted into the baseball hall of fame that's badass.

Yes

The R&RHOF is not at the level of the Baseball HOF. 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 12, 2012, 09:02:06 AM
but giving the "final no" just 3 days before the actual cerenomy? if his Slash-hatred really is that strong like written in 02/2009 then he could have easily said it on the tv interview 11/2011. there are fans having paid big bucks to see at least him attending! that must be part of his soooo praised integrity here i guess...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: freddiebrph on April 12, 2012, 09:03:47 AM
What a bunch of bullshit.

If Axl doesn't wanna go and smile for the cameras at the RNRHOF so some of you get your photo of the "reunion", he shouldn't play any old songs?

WTF.

How about all the guys who QUIT the band stop playing the GN'R songs? Isn't that fair to ask? They wanted nothing to do with GN'R and left. Why are they playing the songs? Oh wait, that's not a problem!




I still think it's ironic that the so called fans from the old days seem to be the most clueless on how Axl and GN'R conduct themselves.

I guess somewhere along the line, GN'R started doing everything the establishment asked them to do? Axl would allow himself to be ambushed into playing ball so the RNRHOF gets the publicity of the magical reunion?


If you believe all this, you're unfortunately been living under a rock for quite some time, or just live in your own fantasy world.

I guess these same people now expect Izzy to show up and sing. Until they're told "I'm not sure he will show up..."






/jarmo

Lets get real here.  This is total BS and everyone knows it.  Be a fnk man, and go accept the award.  Yes, 99% of fans wanted you to play a few old songs with the guys responsible for you being who and where you are.  That is a dream and will ALWAYS be a dream of most fans.  But at least go and accept the award for the fans. It really makes him look like a child, esp if the others show up.  The nugnr has nothing to do with this award, and most of them have already said they would like to see the originals together that night for the award.  I still thins he shows up.  America is FINALLLY accepting the new guys and turn out of the shows has been great.  He looks and sounds great.  Why have half the fans hate you again by stirring up all this old BS?  He is 50 years old now, time to act it.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Chuzeville on April 12, 2012, 09:13:21 AM
I wish I could make sense of Axl's statements. On one hand, I think it's great he writes them himself, on the other hand his prose is so abstruse & convoluted that one can never be sure of what he means. What's the issue here? Being in the same room with Slash? That's a good reason for not attending, but it seems to me there's more to it. He may not "begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such" but it sure looks like it. The quotation marks he uses in there, which kinda belies that statement.
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"our" induction
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"Guns N' Roses"


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: freddiebrph on April 12, 2012, 09:13:50 AM
but giving the "final no" just 3 days before the actual cerenomy? if his Slash-hatred really is that strong like written in 02/2009 then he could have easily said it on the tv interview 11/2011. there are fans having paid big bucks to see at least him attending! that must be part of his soooo praised integrity here i guess...

Another great point.  Its not Axl saying FU to the HOF, its him saying FU to his fans.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Chuzeville on April 12, 2012, 09:16:27 AM
but giving the "final no" just 3 days before the actual cerenomy? if his Slash-hatred really is that strong like written in 02/2009 then he could have easily said it on the tv interview 11/2011. there are fans having paid big bucks to see at least him attending! that must be part of his soooo praised integrity here i guess...

In his letter, Axl actually stresses out the fact that he politely tried to make this happen in a way that could be satisfactory to him and his camp. One has to wonder what he would have found satisfactory. My guess? Being inducted on his own as Guns n'Roses. Yes, he owns the moniker, but cannot do away with the artistic side.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: fTw777 on April 12, 2012, 09:22:33 AM
but giving the "final no" just 3 days before the actual cerenomy? if his Slash-hatred really is that strong like written in 02/2009 then he could have easily said it on the tv interview 11/2011. there are fans having paid big bucks to see at least him attending! that must be part of his soooo praised integrity here i guess...
If people spent the money to go to the ceremony just to see Axl even though he never to my knowledge confirmed he was attending that's their own fault for assuming things that were never actually promised.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 12, 2012, 09:25:04 AM
agree on "Chuzeville" post:
yeah, those "trying to work smth. out-issues" would be nice to know. i mean even Dizzy and Ashba said that there was ZERO TALK about the HOF issue.

@fTw777:
but still....just 3 days before the cerenomy? not getting away with the "late as usual"-excuse here.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 09:30:22 AM
agree on "Chuzeville" post:
yeah, those "trying to work smth. out-issues" would be nice to know. i mean even Dizzy and Ashba said that there was ZERO TALK about the HOF issue.

Notice that on the list of people they'd been discussing things with at the start of the letter, there's one glaring omission. "Each other".

Communication... pretty much the crux of every problem since '85. (Not any one members' in particular... they've all consistently failed to communicate with each other).


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ClintroN on April 12, 2012, 09:33:12 AM
What a bunch of bullshit.

If Axl doesn't wanna go and smile for the cameras at the RNRHOF so some of you get your photo of the "reunion", he shouldn't play any old songs?

WTF.

How about all the guys who QUIT the band stop playing the GN'R songs? Isn't that fair to ask? They wanted nothing to do with GN'R and left. Why are they playing the songs? Oh wait, that's not a problem!




I still think it's ironic that the so called fans from the old days seem to be the most clueless on how Axl and GN'R conduct themselves.

I guess somewhere along the line, GN'R started doing everything the establishment asked them to do? Axl would allow himself to be ambushed into playing ball so the RNRHOF gets the publicity of the magical reunion?


If you believe all this, you're unfortunately been living under a rock for quite some time, or just live in your own fantasy world.

I guess these same people now expect Izzy to show up and sing. Until they're told "I'm not sure he will show up..."






/jarmo

Lets get real here.  This is total BS and everyone knows it.  Be a fnk man, and go accept the award.  Yes, 99% of fans wanted you to play a few old songs with the guys responsible for you being who and where you are.  That is a dream and will ALWAYS be a dream of most fans.  But at least go and accept the award for the fans. It really makes him look like a child, esp if the others show up.  The nugnr has nothing to do with this award, and most of them have already said they would like to see the originals together that night for the award.  I still thins he shows up.  America is FINALLLY accepting the new guys and turn out of the shows has been great.  He looks and sounds great.  Why have half the fans hate you again by stirring up all this old BS?  He is 50 years old now, time to act it.  

you'r right FREDDIE.....

I would have thought Axl would have been the bigger man about it n' just went. I mean...it's a quick celebration of what they accomplished, end of story.  Alot of u people are looking waaaaaay to far into this.  Its ridicules.
It's not as if they fuked n' killed each others wives....get the fuk over it. Do  it for the fans...

n' now that he isnt goin', im very interested to see how this goes down, Steven Adler is goin' to make a joke out of Axl...seriously, if HALL OF FAME didnt mention Axl's name, Steven will.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: westcoast_junkie on April 12, 2012, 09:33:20 AM
but giving the "final no" just 3 days before the actual cerenomy? if his Slash-hatred really is that strong like written in 02/2009 then he could have easily said it on the tv interview 11/2011. there are fans having paid big bucks to see at least him attending! that must be part of his soooo praised integrity here i guess...

Another great point.  Its not Axl saying FU to the HOF, its him saying FU to his fans.

That's just baloney. You should be grateful he made this (well articulated) statement before the happening. He have given us (the fans) some pretty good reasons for not accepting this. And therefore we (still the fans) should understand his reasons. I think he wrote this letter for the fans. Wouldn't it be worse if he gave a shit and didn't say anything?

No, I think he took a decision we should respect. But some of you wouldn't respected any of the scenarios:

Show up, not performing: Whine, whine whine (HE should play for ME, the fan...and why didn't he hug Slash, so I could shed a tear?)
Not showing up, though write a letter: Whine whine whine (He should do this for me, his FAN)
Not showing up, whitout saying: WHine whine whine, even harder (he kinda promised me to be here, cause he said it was a honor to be nominated)
Show up, and play: First: ("wow, they looked like enjoying, now they will reform"), then after a short period: whine, whine, whine! "So, they shared stage, but they made me, The FAN, believe they were back together, I'll never forget!! It's Axl's fault"  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: fTw777 on April 12, 2012, 09:36:28 AM
I never expected him to attend and have never cared about the hall of fame regardless of if somebody I like is being inducted so it really didn't matter to me what happened. Regardless of anybody's opinion of the whole situation it is what it is and all the arguing and complaining in the world isn't gonna change anything.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: troccoli on April 12, 2012, 09:37:43 AM
but giving the "final no" just 3 days before the actual cerenomy? if his Slash-hatred really is that strong like written in 02/2009 then he could have easily said it on the tv interview 11/2011. there are fans having paid big bucks to see at least him attending! that must be part of his soooo praised integrity here i guess...

Another great point.  Its not Axl saying FU to the HOF, its him saying FU to his fans.

That's just baloney. You should be grateful he made this (well articulated) statement before the happening. He have given us (the fans) some pretty good reasons for not accepting this. And therefore we (still the fans) should understand his reasons. I think he wrote this letter for the fans. Wouldn't it be worse if he gave a shit and didn't say anything?

No, I think he took a decision we should respect. But some of you wouldn't respected any of the scenarios:

Show up, not performing: Whine, whine whine (HE should play for ME, the fan...and why didn't he hug Slash, so I could shed a tear?)
Not showing up, though write a letter: Whine whine whine (He should do this for me, his FAN)
Not showing up, whitout saying: WHine whine whine, even harder (he kinda promised me to be here, cause he said it was a honor to be nominated)
Show up, and play: First: ("wow, they looked like enjoying, now they will reform"), then after a short period: whine, whine, whine! "So, they shared stage, but they made me, The FAN, believe they were back together, I'll never forget!! It's Axl's fault"  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Fair point, but many fans are always going to clamor for a full reunion no matter what happens at the RRHOF induction.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LongGoneDay on April 12, 2012, 09:38:34 AM
but giving the "final no" just 3 days before the actual cerenomy? if his Slash-hatred really is that strong like written in 02/2009 then he could have easily said it on the tv interview 11/2011. there are fans having paid big bucks to see at least him attending! that must be part of his soooo praised integrity here i guess...

Another great point.  Its not Axl saying FU to the HOF, its him saying FU to his fans.

That's just baloney. You should be grateful he made this (well articulated) statement before the happening. He have given us (the fans) some pretty good reasons for not accepting this. And therefore we (still the fans) should understand his reasons. I think he wrote this letter for the fans. Wouldn't it be worse if he gave a shit and didn't say anything?

No, I think he took a decision we should respect. But some of you wouldn't respected any of the scenarios:

Show up, not performing: Whine, whine whine (HE should play for ME, the fan...and why didn't he hug Slash, so I could shed a tear?)
Not showing up, though write a letter: Whine whine whine (He should do this for me, his FAN)
Not showing up, whitout saying: WHine whine whine, even harder (he kinda promised me to be here, cause he said it was a honor to be nominated)
Show up, and play: First: ("wow, they looked like enjoying, now they will reform"), then after a short period: whine, whine, whine! "So, they shared stage, but they made me, The FAN, believe they were back together, I'll never forget!! It's Axl's fault"  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


I understand that many people here agree with Axl's point of view, but one thing this letter absolutely is not, is "well articulated". It's a mess.

He also didn't come across to clear on the Eddie Trunk show, but I myself thought it sounded like he was planning on attending. I never thought he was gonna perform, but I don't think people are crazy for thinking there was a chance he'd be there. Not exactly shocked either way though.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: troccoli on April 12, 2012, 09:41:30 AM
but giving the "final no" just 3 days before the actual cerenomy? if his Slash-hatred really is that strong like written in 02/2009 then he could have easily said it on the tv interview 11/2011. there are fans having paid big bucks to see at least him attending! that must be part of his soooo praised integrity here i guess...

Another great point.  Its not Axl saying FU to the HOF, its him saying FU to his fans.

That's just baloney. You should be grateful he made this (well articulated) statement before the happening. He have given us (the fans) some pretty good reasons for not accepting this. And therefore we (still the fans) should understand his reasons. I think he wrote this letter for the fans. Wouldn't it be worse if he gave a shit and didn't say anything?

No, I think he took a decision we should respect. But some of you wouldn't respected any of the scenarios:

Show up, not performing: Whine, whine whine (HE should play for ME, the fan...and why didn't he hug Slash, so I could shed a tear?)
Not showing up, though write a letter: Whine whine whine (He should do this for me, his FAN)
Not showing up, whitout saying: WHine whine whine, even harder (he kinda promised me to be here, cause he said it was a honor to be nominated)
Show up, and play: First: ("wow, they looked like enjoying, now they will reform"), then after a short period: whine, whine, whine! "So, they shared stage, but they made me, The FAN, believe they were back together, I'll never forget!! It's Axl's fault"  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


I understand that many people here agree with Axl's point of view, but one thing this letter absolutely is not, is "well articulated". It's a mess.

Agreed, but at the same time there is something I really like about the way Axl writes.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: troccoli on April 12, 2012, 09:48:29 AM
Here's one thing I don't get about all this.  How would Axl (or any of the members for that reason) be selling out by attending this ceremony?  They are not being paid to attend and in fact, may have to shell out money for their friends or families to attend.  You could argue HBO would possibly stand to make more money if the AFD5 lineup played, but again I don't think they would sharing those profits with the band members.  Now it is possible that album sales will increase after the induction - it usually does with most bands.  But again, this is going to happen regardless of what band members show up.  So use another term if you must, but don't call it selling out/not selling out.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: liquidvirus on April 12, 2012, 09:49:11 AM
Can't say I am overly impressed by this. While i understand his reasons for not wanting to be there, he clearly has animosity against Slash and Steven which is bordering on childish now.

Anyone thinking that the GNR2012 lineup should have performed, needs to understand that the reason these guys are getting an induction is the earlier albums and not Chinese.

Hopefully, the old lineup can have some fun and get some singers to pitch in, NOT Cypress Hill!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ClintroN on April 12, 2012, 09:50:39 AM
Lame.

Just lost a lot of respect for W.A.R.

Real people don't communicate through press releases, and this just sounded like something Lebron James would do before moving to a new team.

Classless.

So, how would he communicate with you? Call you? Private or at work?  :hihi:


How can he communciate with me, AND the people buying their records and going to their shows? How about in a non-Kim Kardashian 'look at me, waaaa waaaa' kinda way?

I love how some people here pretend that they're glad Axl isn'showing up. If he was showing, these yes-men would be saying 'great move Axl, classy'


FK'N A OASIS 1!!!
thats the absolute truth!!

i dont know why ANY fan here wouldnt want Axl to be there for kicks....if your denying it, your an ass kisser!!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Chuzeville on April 12, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
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jabs from former members of Guns N' Roses

Surely he means the one jab by Steven.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
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jabs from former members of Guns N' Roses

Surely he means the one jab by Steven.

Two jabs from Steven, as well as one from Slash ("two other guys are coming"), and Matt using it as an excuse to gain more Twitter followers by promising to "spill the goods" which he obviously didn't have...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Chuzeville on April 12, 2012, 10:03:14 AM
Oh OK. Who were the "two other guys"? I don't get it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRMTL on April 12, 2012, 10:04:02 AM
Over and done with thank god...................Good for you AXL.......Let the summer tour begin...................."Now we all know better"


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Zêphyr on April 12, 2012, 10:08:36 AM
My deepest respect for this decision, Axl, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba I'm proud of you guy's!! See you all on tour soon  :peace:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 10:09:03 AM
Oh OK. Who were the "two other guys"? I don't get it.

In a radio interview, Slash said that "It should just be the five of us, but two other guys are coming along". A complete dismissal of both Matt and Dizzy.
I mean, I can understand why he would think it should only be the Appetite 5, but to use such a harsh term in public is incredibly insulting, and I think the beginning of the end for Axl's involvement. You'll notice Axl doesn't discredit anyone.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Chuzeville on April 12, 2012, 10:11:43 AM
Thing is, he seemed to go along with it at first. If his feeling is, "I ain't dead yet, Guns n'Roses is alive and well, I don't live in the past and this induction makes no sense to me," which I could totally understand, why not just say so, preferably right away?


You'll notice Axl doesn't discredit anyone.

Not really what I get from the letter somehow.

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Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make)...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 12, 2012, 10:17:51 AM
Matt using it as an excuse to gain more Twitter followers by promising to "spill the goods" which he obviously didn't have...

Didn't hear about this. What was that story?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 10:18:50 AM
but giving the "final no" just 3 days before the actual cerenomy? if his Slash-hatred really is that strong like written in 02/2009 then he could have easily said it on the tv interview 11/2011. there are fans having paid big bucks to see at least him attending! that must be part of his soooo praised integrity here i guess...

He never said he was going to be there. That's your assumption!

Izzy might not show up either. He didn't give his "final no" yet.

In fact, Izzy hasn't said a word about the whole "honor" since it was made public.

Now tell us, how angry/disappointed does that make you feel? I mean, he owes you that doesn't he? A thank you? An acknowledgement for you making him so rich and so on?


Isn't this what it's all about? How some fans always feel they are owed.

"Without us, you would be nothing. You owe us!".

Which came first, the art(ist) or the fan?


Even when Axl actually THANKS and acknowledges the fans who support him, he gets shit from some of you for not being grateful. Silly.
Who's being ungrateful?



Another great point.  Its not Axl saying FU to the HOF, its him saying FU to his fans.


Only if you can't read and have made up your mind before reading the letter.





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: XxWickeds10xX on April 12, 2012, 10:21:22 AM
Im disappointed that Axl declined, but i fully understand his reasoning. Some "divorces" are just beyond repair, and this is one of them

I wasnt looking for a reunion (as awesome as that would be). I was just hoping to see my favorite band get inducted, nothing more. Maybe a handshake between members and thats it. Oh well.

I shoulda been a Motley Crue fan :p


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 10:22:55 AM
Matt using it as an excuse to gain more Twitter followers by promising to "spill the goods" which he obviously didn't have...

Didn't hear about this. What was that story?

https://twitter.com/#!/mattsorum/status/185606852581670912


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 12, 2012, 10:24:21 AM
agree on "Chuzeville" post:
yeah, those "trying to work smth. out-issues" would be nice to know. i mean even Dizzy and Ashba said that there was ZERO TALK about the HOF issue.

Notice that on the list of people they'd been discussing things with at the start of the letter, there's one glaring omission. "Each other".

Communication... pretty much the crux of every problem since '85. (Not any one members' in particular... they've all consistently failed to communicate with each other).

nope, with the "each other" when it comes to new camp/old camp. proof here:

Dizzy mid feb 2012:
"I know that all the original band is going to be there," he said. "I don't know exactly what's going to go down. It's one of those things I'm sure will all come together and be really cool. I'm just going to go in with a good attitude and a clear head and a grateful heart."

While Reed seems fairly confident in his prediction, he did say he hadn't actually spoken with Axl Rose about the induction ceremony.

"Honestly, we haven't spoken about it," Reed told Billboard. "I don't know when or why or how to bring it up. It's not an every day sort of thing. So we haven't really talked about it -- but I'm sure we'll have to at some point."
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^^they didnt even seem to have communicated inside the recent line-up until mid feb 2012, even with Dizzy whom himself is inducted.
so Dizzy...staying to your words and go?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 10:25:30 AM
You're pretty desperate in trying to prove that Axl promised to be there for your enjoyment.


As with most things relating to GN'R, your opinion is clear. You don't like the band.

Including the text below your avatar. Says it all.  : ok:



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 10:26:42 AM
You'll notice Axl doesn't discredit anyone.

Not really what I get from the letter somehow.

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Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make)...

You didn't see the shitstorm on here when it was announced that Green Day were delivering the induction speech? It was getting late in the day by the time that announcement was made. Usually bands get to decide their own inductor, but they may have gotten desperate and went over their heads to get anyone who was willing to do it. You don't think that comment may have been referring to that? Or about the people that they're not inducting maybe?
Straight after that he made it clear that he didn't mean what some people have taken it to mean, and that he didn't want to take anything away from the other guys...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 10:27:34 AM
agree on "Chuzeville" post:
yeah, those "trying to work smth. out-issues" would be nice to know. i mean even Dizzy and Ashba said that there was ZERO TALK about the HOF issue.

Notice that on the list of people they'd been discussing things with at the start of the letter, there's one glaring omission. "Each other".

Communication... pretty much the crux of every problem since '85. (Not any one members' in particular... they've all consistently failed to communicate with each other).

nope, with the "each other" when it comes to new camp/old camp. proof here:

Dizzy mid feb 2012:
"I know that all the original band is going to be there," he said. "I don't know exactly what's going to go down. It's one of those things I'm sure will all come together and be really cool. I'm just going to go in with a good attitude and a clear head and a grateful heart."

While Reed seems fairly confident in his prediction, he did say he hadn't actually spoken with Axl Rose about the induction ceremony.

"Honestly, we haven't spoken about it," Reed told Billboard. "I don't know when or why or how to bring it up. It's not an every day sort of thing. So we haven't really talked about it -- but I'm sure we'll have to at some point."
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^^they didnt even seem to have communicated inside the recent line-up until mid feb 2012, even with Dizzy whom himself is inducted.
so Dizzy...staying to your words and go?

Exactly...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Gaymo, the Hobbit on April 12, 2012, 10:28:52 AM
Matt using it as an excuse to gain more Twitter followers by promising to "spill the goods" which he obviously didn't have...

Didn't hear about this. What was that story?

https://twitter.com/#!/mattsorum/status/185606852581670912

Following Steven Adler, Matt is the biggest idiot there is


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Chuzeville on April 12, 2012, 10:31:59 AM
You don't think that comment may have been referring to that? Or about the people that they're not inducting maybe?

Sure, why not. As always, one can only wish Axl would be more forthright with what he has to say. It's like he spent to much time with lawyers!

I guess I didn't think of Green Day doing the honors as an issue, since we got a tweet from the GnR account that seems pretty favourable.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 12, 2012, 10:32:43 AM
Including the text below your avatar. Says it all.  : ok:

take a look on the text above the avatar (which is a quote by the way), thats what Dizzy said!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 12, 2012, 10:34:25 AM
Matt using it as an excuse to gain more Twitter followers by promising to "spill the goods" which he obviously didn't have...

Didn't hear about this. What was that story?

https://twitter.com/#!/mattsorum/status/185606852581670912

That's just desperate.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 10:36:20 AM
Including the text below your avatar. Says it all.  : ok:

take a look on the text above the avatar (which is a quote by the way), thats what Dizzy said!


What did he say that upsets you?

"Honestly, we haven't spoken about it,"

That makes everything he said invalid. If you use common sense.


I can say "Yes, I'm sure Limules will attend the Pink Panther Convention in Berlin next weekend!".

And then say "I didn't speak to him about it".



Wouldn't it make you think "maybe he doesn't know..."?



Dizzy said something, but he wasn't speaking on behalf of anybody else. He's not Axl's spokesperson.

You should know that. You're supposed to be a GN'R fan.



AXL NEVER PROMISED TO ATTEND.



And get back to me on how Izzy's silence makes you feel..... : ok:




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 12, 2012, 10:36:56 AM
Axl promised nobody anything.

And I agree with him. IF GNR were to be inducted AND perform : it should contain every member of the current lineup.

Lets look at the length of time people have been in GNR
Axl - 27 years
Dizzy - 21 years
Tommy - 14 years
Pitman - 12 years
Fortus - 10 years
Bumble - 7 years
Frank - 6 years
DJ - 3 years

And how long have the ex-members been in the band?
Duff - 12 years
Slash - 10 years
Robin - 9 years
Izzy - 5 years
Josh - 5 years
Brain - 5 years
Matt - 5 years
Adler - 5 years
Buckethead - 4 years
Gilby - 3 years


Fairly disrespectful to the current band, and their work, to invite the former members and not them. It's "Damned If You Do / Damned If You Don't". All those whining pussies upset that Axl won't be their bitch and sing the old songs with guys who haven't been in the band for over 20 years? Get over it. It'll never be 1991 again.

Yes, the current lineup is a better band.

Axl may use too many words, and talk like someone who has spent a little too long in therapy sometimes, but this is a decision that commands respect for the courage to stand up to others expectations and the integrity that it brings.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GW2 on April 12, 2012, 10:45:42 AM
I'm not upset about Axl's decision. But I will say that I think it's pretty awful for anyone to carry around that much resentment. Awful for him, not anyone else. For his sake I hope he can find forgiveness someday. It would be an incredible weight off his shoulders.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jacdaniel on April 12, 2012, 10:49:33 AM
Long letter, could have just tweeted "I wont be attending, but thanks to all GNR fans".

Now he just comes across as a bitter old man.  Can see the original members having a good pop at him at the show.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 12, 2012, 10:52:32 AM
resentment? He's showing loyalty to GNR 2012, not GNR 1987.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 10:53:16 AM
Since when is staying true to your beliefs, having integrity and having the balls to say "no" when the whole world expects a "yes", a bad thing?

Isn't that what GN'R was always about?


I feel bad for those of you who actually got your illusions crushed because you believed in all the "He must show up" bullshit. Maybe you should've thought a bit and paid attention before making that kind of assumptions.

Axl never confirmed his attendance to any of you and his opinion on sharing a stage with the old band is pretty well known. If you have paid any attention in the last few years.
Keep that in mind.



Long letter, could have just tweeted "I wont be attending, but thanks to all GNR fans".

Now he just comes across as a bitter old man.  Can see the original members having a good pop at him at the show.


And you could've said "He sounds bitter, why not explain himself".

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.


But what do you expect from Slash fans...




/jarmo



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jacdaniel on April 12, 2012, 10:59:57 AM
Since when is staying true to your beliefs, having integrity and having the balls to say "no" when the whole world expects a "yes", a bad thing?

Isn't that what GN'R was always about?


I feel bad for those of you who actually got your illusions crushed because you believed in all the "He must show up" bullshit. Maybe you should've thought a bit and paid attention before making that kind of assumptions.

Axl never confirmed his attendance to any of you and his opinion on sharing a stage with the old band is pretty well known. If you have paid any attention in the last few years.
Keep that in mind.



Long letter, could have just tweeted "I wont be attending, but thanks to all GNR fans".

Now he just comes across as a bitter old man.  Can see the original members having a good pop at him at the show.


And you could've said "He sounds bitter, why not explain himself".

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.


But what do you expect from Slash fans...




/jarmo




I am a Slash fan but even Slash bothers me at times.  No doubt him or Steven will now take a pop at Axl and its just childish IMO.

I think this induction is going to turn into a bit of a train wreck now.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 12, 2012, 11:01:55 AM
On a side note this does show how close knit and loyal the current lineup is. This is the silver lining and more important that GNR has a future than a band that just looks back to their commercial peak.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 11:05:30 AM
I think this induction is going to turn into a bit of a train wreck now.

It turned into that a long time ago.

All the media speculation, all the former members saying this and that, all the hype, all the false expectations, the secret RNRHOF process etc...


There was no way this could be a "friendly" event.

In my opinion, there was never any kind of friendly "family" vibe about it. It's a music industry thing.

Who are the RNRHOF? The same people who've been telling GN'R fans GN'R is dead.


And suddenly they are on "our side"?





/jarmo



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cyllan on April 12, 2012, 11:06:40 AM


No, no pretence necessary here, I'm delighted he isn't attending.

And I don't know why any GN'R fan would imagine their desire to see the band on stage should be more important than Axl's own wishes in this matter.  Whether or not his decision is in accordance with your own feelings, you should be able to respect his decision and accept that it's his to make, and not yours!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on April 12, 2012, 11:09:32 AM
After having some time to get over the my personal disappointment of not getting to see Axl accept the award, and re-reading his letter, I really feel that Axl has made the right decision for the right reasons in terms of not attending.  

However, obviously you cannot induct GN'R without inducting Axl, so that will occur whether he likes it or not, and quite frankly, it should.  If Guns got inducted without Axl, it would make the entire R&RHOF a sham.  Well, maybe it is a sham, but there are lots of great artists that have been inducted before Guns, that have taken part in various ceremonies, and to have Guns in but not Axl could be construed as disrespectful to those that came before him.  How so?  If by demeaning the award for Guns, you're demeaning it for everyone.  No disrespect to Axl, but let this pass, accept his personal acceptance, and move on..


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 12, 2012, 11:12:19 AM
i've never said Axl himself promised to attend. it looked like there could be a chance for it though in his tv-interview and from words coming from Dizzy. but pulling the "no-attending-card" only 3 days before the cerenomy? eh...when he is still soooo full of hate and bitterness towards ONE man he hadnt seen or spoken in 15 years, then simply say "no, sorry" right after the induction last year and not talking out of it about last minute. though i can see another strategy here aswell: not giving the others the chance to still set-up smth. cool without him.
i did expect his "waiting how the others react" and internet hunting/copy/paste and thought out written words somehow though, he did similar things before like with Merck's letters end of 2006.

Dizzy said something, but he wasn't speaking on behalf of anybody else. He's not Axl's spokesperson.

You should know that. You're supposed to be a GN'R fan.

actually Dizzy should know that, as far as i know he is in the band not me  ;)

And get back to me on how Izzy's silence makes you feel..... : ok:

sure thing, unlike all other inducted (ex-)members Izzy doesnt seem to like the spotlight for many many years, he isnt out in the open or into touring and never looked like he would care any bigger media event, so its not that unexpected. a word of him couldnt have hurt the HOF-issue though. as we still dont know for sure yet...in the end we'll finally see on saturday. there could be a good chance that he talked to Axl about it though, do the maths  ;)

the lenght of time people have been in is now up again? count what has been released when they've been in! they easily could add 2 more years without any new release.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl8302 on April 12, 2012, 11:16:04 AM
What's all the fuss about? Who gives a fuck about the rock n roll hall of fame? It's an over-hyped corporate elitist picnic, with $3000 per person seats. It's actually EXACTLY the type of place you'd expect to find Slash and Matt Sorum, so good luck to them - enjoy your evening!

There's nothing rock n' roll about it. The sex pistols has the right idea, as does Axl.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 11:20:19 AM
i've never said Axl himself promised to attend. it looked like there could be a chance for it though in his tv-interview and from words coming from Dizzy. but pulling the "no-attending-card" only 3 days before the cerenomy?

Was there some magical deadline I'm not aware of?



eh...when he is still soooo full of hate and bitterness towards ONE man he hadnt seen or spoken in 15 years, then simply say "no, sorry" right after the induction last year and not talking out of it about last minute. though i can see another strategy here aswell: not giving the others the chance to still set-up smth. cool without him.


Sounds like you didn't understand the letter.






actually Dizzy should know that, as far as i know he is in the band not me  ;)

Are you or are you not aware that Axl speaks on his own behalf?



sure thing, unlike all other inducted (ex-)members Izzy doesnt seem to like the spotlight for many many years, he isnt out in the open or into touring and never looked like he would care any bigger media event, so its not that unexpected. a word of him couldnt have hurt the HOF-issue though. as we still dont know for sure yet...in the end we'll finally see on saturday. there could be a good chance that he talked to Axl about it though, do the maths  ;)


Isn't that a double standard?

He doesn't tour, he doesn't give interviews, doesn't update his fans. And that's ok?



Oh wait, you EXPECT him to do nothing so it's ok. But when you EXPECT Axl to attend and he doesn't, it's not ok.

Got it.





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl8302 on April 12, 2012, 11:23:56 AM
Damn Jarmo, you're owning this kid.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Jardy on April 12, 2012, 11:25:53 AM
Jarmo, are you shagging Axl?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 12, 2012, 11:28:52 AM
Jarmo, are you shagging Axl?

NO, BUT NOW i AM GOING TO SHAG YOU! dawg!


HERE NO KOOKOOLAND PAL, HERE GNRLAND, NOW GET YOUR FUCKIN BANNING AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Explicit lyrics and content DOES NOT MEAN by ANY BAND, be a fuckin dickhead!

Fuckin Barking dogs, go and listen to Eminem yo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 12, 2012, 11:31:30 AM
oh & btw, there are some dogs around the net who has been running after my Gunner Ass!

STFU you know what C stands in another album dont ya? Why you dont go over there and I explain to you freely all explicit & lyrical content 'bout Chinese Democracy Prostitute VS Estranged BARKING DOG?


BTW, thanks for the civil war video clip, you got any buck out it? LOL!!!

You are not an idiot, you are CRAZY!!

 :rofl:

Freedom through music intergrity??? Who could possibly have intergrity with music?  :-*


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 11:33:24 AM
Jarmo, are you shagging Axl?

Do you think about that often?

I didn't know so many manly GN'R fans were thinking about two straight men having sex....


What does that say about you?



/jarmo



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: manicstreet on April 12, 2012, 11:33:31 AM
Axl promised nobody anything.

And I agree with him. IF GNR were to be inducted AND perform : it should contain every member of the current lineup.

Lets look at the length of time people have been in GNR
Axl - 27 years
Dizzy - 21 years
Tommy - 14 years
Pitman - 12 years
Fortus - 10 years
Bumble - 7 years
Frank - 6 years
DJ - 3 years

And how long have the ex-members been in the band?
Duff - 12 years
Slash - 10 years
Robin - 9 years
Izzy - 5 years
Josh - 5 years
Brain - 5 years
Matt - 5 years
Adler - 5 years
Buckethead - 4 years
Gilby - 3 years


Fairly disrespectful to the current band, and their work, to invite the former members and not them. It's "Damned If You Do / Damned If You Don't". All those whining pussies upset that Axl won't be their bitch and sing the old songs with guys who haven't been in the band for over 20 years? Get over it. It'll never be 1991 again.

Yes, the current lineup is a better band.

Axl may use too many words, and talk like someone who has spent a little too long in therapy sometimes, but this is a decision that commands respect for the courage to stand up to others expectations and the integrity that it brings.

I dont think how many years you have been in the band should play a roll. In all seriousness do you think anyone in the current band would even accept the honor? I wouldnt think so from the few comments some members have made. I think they know that it isnt their contribution that got them inducted. I personally think the new guitarist in Chili Peppers cheapins the whole hall of fame anyway. He has no business being inducted & if he had any integrity would be the one writing the letter asking not to be recognized.

Anyways I could care less that Axl doesnt want to be apart of this. I love the guys in the band currently & really only wanted to see the "reunion" so I could finally see Izzy live.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 12, 2012, 11:34:11 AM



And I don't know why any GN'R fan would imagine their desire to see the band on stage should be more important than Axl's own wishes in this matter. 


Sorry - I don't know Axl. Don't know Slash. Don't know Buckethead. Don't know Bumblefoot. Don't know DJ Ashba, etc etc etc.  They may be good people, bad people... who knows and frankly, I don't care.  Just like I don't know Michael Jordan or Mike Tyson or Floyd Mayweather or Jon Bones Jones.  As a consumer of entertainment, I like to watch them perform.  I enjoy their work.   Absolutely my desires to see Axl at the RRHOF is more important than Axl's wishes, to me.  And that's how the majority of ppl feel if you read Yahoo comments, read Rolling Stone comments, etc.  There is obviously a group of fans on here that will always defend Axl's actions to the death, no matter what he says or does.  I never understood this, with him or any entertainer.  We don't know these ppl.  We love and appreciate their work and creativity.  If Axl was a lousy singer/songwriter, this board wouldn't exist and no one would know him.  We know these guys for their talents and the music they've created.  So yes, it is absolutely more important to me, as someone who wants to hear Axl sing/ perform  that he attends the RRHOF.  Call it selfish.  It's reality.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: MJ23 on April 12, 2012, 11:34:28 AM
My two cents:

Nobody should be forced into enjoying something he/she isn't into.
You don't feel the way it should be done is the right way? Then don't go.
You think it would send wrong signals to some of the public? Then don't go.
You want to give people the chance to understand the motivation behind the decision not to go? Write a letter.

That's what Axl did.

Would I have enjoyed him on stage? Hell, yeah.
Would it have been cool to see the guys together on stage? Of course.
But that would fuel the fire as far as reunion wishes are concerned, and the band we have is tight as hell and a great lineup!
Time moved on. It's like a relationship when someone decides to better split and pursue different goals.
Axl keeps his baby rocking with new fellas and it's cool. It's still GnR!!!
I do understand those who think the AFD-lineup is the best, to me AFD is the best GNR record, but I can listen to GnR without comparing the different eras and different styles. Enjoy the music for what it is: plain and simple - great fucking music!!!

Nobody owes us shit.

BTW: looking forward to enjoying the Mönchengladbach show!!!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 11:35:13 AM
What. The. Fuck. Is happening? :-\ (I am referring of course to 3strang3d's posts)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 12, 2012, 11:39:35 AM
Jarmo, are you shagging Axl?

Do you think about that often? I didn't know so many manly GN'R fans were thinking about two straight men having sex....

What does that say about you?

/jarmo





Mmmm yummy troll soup in diss GnR board! Aw which are the CHILDREN who got lost in da GARDEN OF EDEN?
Yep, keep chasing that white ball on the video clip , fixxer, no problemo boy! Its a critical solution this rap gansta game yo, and the East Coast got the Blues, its a mass of HORSEFUCKINCRAP confusion and the lies they sold to ya!   Axl pls dont sue me for plagiarism!


 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: 


Rez,

nothing is happening. Is just Star Trek VS Star Wars from another board. Dont want to upset you or anything. Is just daily troll soup on the net, cmon.




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: msaxl43 on April 12, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
When I attended the Seattle show this past December, Axl brought the subject up.  As he thanked all of us fans for our part in this, I was well aware at this point he would not be attending, and I honestly did not expect him to attend in the first place.  I have grown up with Guns in my life starting with the obvious "original lineup" and have grown to love and respect the current lineup.  I appreciate everything Axl has done for himself and for us the fans in order to keep his dream alive and keep us fans hearing his most beautiful music.  I completely understand his decision and support it fully, I also appreciate his choice to decline this invitation to the R&RHOF, stay true to yourself, your current members and your fans, you owe no one else a thing Axl.  I LOVE YOU MR AXL ROSE!!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 12, 2012, 11:43:26 AM
My two cents:

Nobody should be forced into enjoying something he/she isn't into.
You don't feel the way it should be done is the right way? Then don't go.
You think it would send wrong signals to some of the public? Then don't go.
You want to give people the chance to understand the motivation behind the decision not to go? Write a letter.

That's what Axl did.

Would I have enjoyed him on stage? Hell, yeah.
Would it have been cool to see the guys together on stage? Of course.
But that would fuel the fire as far as reunion wishes are concerned, and the band we have is tight as hell and a great lineup!
Time moved on. It's like a relationship when someone decides to better split and pursue different goals.
Axl keeps his baby rocking with new fellas and it's cool. It's still GnR!!!
I do understand those who think the AFD-lineup is the best, to me AFD is the best GNR record, but I can listen to GnR without comparing the different eras and different styles. Enjoy the music for what it is: plain and simple - great fucking music!!!

Nobody owes us shit.

BTW: looking forward to enjoying the Mönchengladbach show!!!

This is a good, fair post.  I see where you're coming from.  I def prefer AFD and also can listen to GnR without comparing eras.  Enjoy the music, as you say.  That said, I just don't see how showing up to accept an award would affect the new lineup except in Axl's mind and to the folks on here who somehow think it would destroy the new lineup or take away from what they've done.  There will always be ppl who want to see the original lineup - same with Pink Floyd, Van Halen, and tons of other bands.  So what.  Saying thanks to the fans, accepting an honor for one of the greatest albums ever recorded, is that really going to take away from the current lineup?  The other original members have their own projects.  Will going here detract from Slash's solo stuff or the neverending quest for a VR singer or Duff's Loaded?  No.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CheapJon on April 12, 2012, 11:44:24 AM
there's been some ace posts in this thread. destry rides and christos maybe the best ones. don't have the energy to read the whole thread :(


there's also a buncha retards, but they probably can't help it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 12, 2012, 11:45:46 AM
Jarmo, are you shagging Axl?

Do you think about that often? I didn't know so many manly GN'R fans were thinking about two straight men having sex....

What does that say about you?

/jarmo





Mmmm yummy troll soup in diss GnR board! Aw which are the CHILDREN who got lost in da GARDEN OF EDEN?
Yep, keep chasing that white ball on the video clip , fixxer, no problemo boy! Its a critical solution this rap gansta game yo, and the East Coast got the Blues, its a mass of HORSEFUCKINCRAP confusion and the lies they sold to ya!   Axl pls dont sue me for plagiarism!


 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: 


Rez,

nothing is happening. Is just Star Trek VS Star Wars from another board. Dont want to upset you or anything. Is just daily troll soup on the net, cmon.




Is this even English?  Someone smoked a fattie this AM, huh?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bobarcord on April 12, 2012, 11:46:03 AM
What. The. Fuck. Is happening? :-\ (I am referring of course to 3strang3d's posts)

A Little Orphan Annies Decoder Pin helps!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 12, 2012, 11:47:31 AM
eh, Jarmo turned on his twisting mode again.

anyway, to people still actually goin to the cerenomy i hope you'll get smth. cool out of it for ya  :beer:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: msaxl43 on April 12, 2012, 11:51:00 AM
3Strang3D your words are weak at best!!  Do yourself a favor and push your own "eject" button :o :o :o!!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: MJ23 on April 12, 2012, 11:53:41 AM

This is a good, fair post.  I see where you're coming from.  I def prefer AFD and also can listen to GnR without comparing eras.  Enjoy the music, as you say.  That said, I just don't see how showing up to accept an award would affect the new lineup except in Axl's mind and to the folks on here who somehow think it would destroy the new lineup or take away from what they've done.  There will always be ppl who want to see the original lineup - same with Pink Floyd, Van Halen, and tons of other bands.  So what.  Saying thanks to the fans, accepting an honor for one of the greatest albums ever recorded, is that really going to take away from the current lineup?  The other original members have their own projects.  Will going here detract from Slash's solo stuff or the neverending quest for a VR singer or Duff's Loaded?  No.  

I still think that the GnR name is bigger than any other ex-members project. At least to me.
Maybe I'm wrong as far as VR or Loaded fans are concerned. Can't talk on their behalf.

I think or better said, assume, that Axl may have taken it into consideration to go up there and accept the award.
But I think that someone like Steven would have used that chance for sure of talking directly about a reunion and that they were the best and bla bla bla.
Axl always lived his life and got bashed for it a couple of times. Even to me it was sometimes weird and not understandable.
Others say that about my behavior too :p
Do what you like and whenever you like it.

The point that I think is the most important one about lineups and stuff is the chemistry on stage.
From my point of view it's the best we ever had right now.
It would for sure jeopardize some of it if Steven or anyone else came up with reunion wishes right at a ceremony where an old but very successful lineup is honored while the GnR band is still touring and doing it well.
And since the camp ain't so much of press-focused the media gathers attention by pulling stories out of their asses just to get more clicks or sales numbers no matter how true they might be.

Stay out of the spotlights is by far the best Axl can do.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Lourenco on April 12, 2012, 11:53:54 AM
That's called Rock N' Roll and that's what GN'R was about before being successful. ROCK N' FUCKIN' ROLL and Axl has never stopped being the true Rock N' Roll legend.
And he doesn't need any fuckin award that some money hungry (for a reunion too?) music execs decided he should take.

Axl is Rock N' Roll and a lot more Rock N' Roll than the Hall of Fame.

Didn't Black Sabbath also reject their induction? (asking)

Since when is staying true to your beliefs, having integrity and having the balls to say "no" when the whole world expects a "yes", a bad thing?

/jarmo




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 11:54:01 AM
It's amusing when some assume that just because you understand and support Axl's decision, you automatically hate the old band.

I've been a fan for a few weeks by now, and to me this whole situation never seemed anything but awkward.

I pointed that out earlier somewhere int this thread....

I never assumed Axl would show up. It just didn't seem like the kind of event he would attend. That's my opinion.



If it doesn't feel like it's for you. Why do it?

To please others? To make others happy for a day? Well, you could. But if you think the price is too high? Who are you to say what somebody else should do for you?


Is your personal happiness that dependent on two men talking and hugging in front of the cameras?





there's also a buncha retards, but they probably can't help it.


Don't be so tough on yourself, you didn't pick to be a Swede! Cheer up! ;)



eh, Jarmo turned on his twisting mode again.


I just don't get it.

If you ignore doing interviews and touring for years and then don't say a word about some award that obviously means a lot to many fans, it's ok.
If you take a break from doing interviews, it's not ok. If you give interviews and also explain your decision, it's not ok because your answer wasn't what people thought you would say.


You make no sense to me.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 11:58:27 AM
For the record, I'm pissed by Izzy's complete silence on the matter. At least Axl has acknowledged it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Lourenco on April 12, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
Izzy doesn't have to say shit! He's te other Rock N' Roller

Velvet Revolver is being inducted but Dave Kushner said he couldn't be there, so they asked Steven Adler to come along! :beer:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 12:05:01 PM
For the record, I'm pissed by Izzy's complete silence on the matter. At least Axl has acknowledged it.


Puts things in perspective.


Personally I don't really care.  :)




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CheapJon on April 12, 2012, 12:06:29 PM

there's also a buncha retards, but they probably can't help it.


Don't be so tough on yourself, you didn't pick to be a Swede! Cheer up! ;)

surely it must be tough to live in a country that you "bash" whenever you get the oppurtunity. you are free to leave Sweden whenever you want  ;)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Little EMO Annie on April 12, 2012, 12:09:37 PM
Swedish people are some of the most beautiful people on the planet!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on April 12, 2012, 12:13:34 PM
Wow  :rofl: just ... Wow   That's funny as hell. Axl, Damn man you are one of a kind truely but I'm confused. I read the letter but, what it breaks down to, is he mad at the fact that they, the RNRHOF, choose who gets inducted into the hall as GNR?

If so who all would he induct with himself?

The appetite lineup? Or being the fact he and slash still have a thing, would he snub him all together and traci guns be in instead of slash as the original guitarist?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CheapJon on April 12, 2012, 12:16:32 PM
What would make the letter even more awesome would be some kind of statement that new music would be released in the near future.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bobarcord on April 12, 2012, 12:17:47 PM
What would make the letter even more awesome would be some kind of statement that new music would be released in the near future.

Now who is dreaming?!?! :hihi:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 12:19:09 PM

there's also a buncha retards, but they probably can't help it.


Don't be so tough on yourself, you didn't pick to be a Swede! Cheer up! ;)

surely it must be tough to live in a country that you "bash" whenever you get the oppurtunity. you are free to leave Sweden whenever you want  ;)

I see it as an experiment. ;)


Wow  :rofl: just ... Wow   That's funny as hell. Axl, Damn man you are one of a kind truely but I'm confused. I read the letter but, what it breaks down to, is he mad at the fact that they, the RNRHOF, choose who gets inducted into the hall as GNR?

If so who all would he induct with himself?

The appetite lineup? Or being the fact he and slash still have a thing, would he snub him all together and traci guns be in instead of slash as the original guitarist?


This has been explained multiple times.

Look at the situation, and you'll see that it makes very little sense. The selection.

Some bands get their current members inducted. For some reason, the RNRHOF totally disregarded that GN'R didn't end in 1991.

Nobody is really saying they shouldn't induct this guy and induct that guy, because it's a difficult call to make. But it sure is weird....





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CheapJon on April 12, 2012, 12:19:54 PM
What would make the letter even more awesome would be some kind of statement that new music would be released in the near future.

Now who is dreaming?!?! :hihi:

haha yeah. it went through my mind while reading the letter last night.

I am however not dissappointed nor did i expect such a thing.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GeorgeSteele on April 12, 2012, 12:21:05 PM
I agree with Axl's decision completely.  To me, it's very similar to the issues he was having with Azoff --- the industry dictating to him who and what Guns n' Roses is and who/what defines their legacy.  Good for him for standing up to that, once again.  They'll be more times I'm sure.

I'm reminded of some lyrics from another great band, whose exclusion from the RNRHOF is the best evidence that the institution is not all it's made out to be.

One likes to believe in the freedom of music,
But glittering prizes and endless compromises
Shatter the illusion of integrity.






Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on April 12, 2012, 12:34:23 PM

Wow  :rofl: just ... Wow   That's funny as hell. Axl, Damn man you are one of a kind truely but I'm confused. I read the letter but, what it breaks down to, is he mad at the fact that they, the RNRHOF, choose who gets inducted into the hall as GNR?

If so who all would he induct with himself?

The appetite lineup? Or being the fact he and slash still have a thing, would he snub him all together and traci guns be in instead of slash as the original guitarist?


This has been explained multiple times.

Look at the situation, and you'll see that it makes very little sense. The selection.

Some bands get their current members inducted. For some reason, the RNRHOF totally disregarded that GN'R didn't end in 1991.

Nobody is really saying they shouldn't induct this guy and induct that guy, because it's a difficult call to make. But it sure is weird....





/jarmo
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Well would you really expect them to induct every and all 20- some members that have ever been?






Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 12:38:49 PM
Well would you really expect them to induct every and all 20- some members that have ever been?

Did I say that?

Quote
Nobody is really saying they shouldn't induct this guy and induct that guy, because it's a difficult call to make. But it sure is weird....




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: spookeend on April 12, 2012, 12:43:58 PM
perhaps they should enlist the album instead of the group. Specially in this case, where the band name is only left to a hollow name. And, no matter what, as i read it, RNRHOF and this weirdish letter of Axl (no offence) it is about the album AFD and all the persons who made it. All those people have changed, things have happened. I try to stay out of it as much as possible, because when i dig in to much, get to much information, i tend to start disliking the music, it distracts me.

So let it be about the great music, one of the best selling albums ever, and enjoy it for the time to come, no matter who is doing what or calling it whatever.

Rock N' Roll is music first, and Attitude later!@!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 12, 2012, 12:44:41 PM




Well would you really expect them to induct every and all 20- some members that have ever been?






Exactly.  If you put aside your feelings toward the old, the new, Slash, and the HOF - they did invite the most logical people.  It's like having a wedding a saying if I invite him, then I have to invite him, etc, etc.  They drew the line and invited the members who created the music that the band is most known for.  Until the new lineup records even 1 album, how could they even be realistically considered?  Buckethead and Tobias and Brain - those guys fall into Gary Cherone category.  They were with a HOF band briefly but no one would really consider them integral parts of the band's history or key factors in why the band is HOF-worthy.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: journey on April 12, 2012, 12:45:38 PM
I don't blame him for not wanting to go with all the back and forth that's been going on. I was dreading how it would play out if he did show up. People have to realize what an awkward and uncomfortable situation that is for him. An event like that should be a celebration and not something you dread.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: peter7411226 on April 12, 2012, 12:59:21 PM

This is a good, fair post.  I see where you're coming from.  I def prefer AFD and also can listen to GnR without comparing eras.  Enjoy the music, as you say.  That said, I just don't see how showing up to accept an award would affect the new lineup except in Axl's mind and to the folks on here who somehow think it would destroy the new lineup or take away from what they've done.  There will always be ppl who want to see the original lineup - same with Pink Floyd, Van Halen, and tons of other bands.  So what.  Saying thanks to the fans, accepting an honor for one of the greatest albums ever recorded, is that really going to take away from the current lineup?  The other original members have their own projects.  Will going here detract from Slash's solo stuff or the neverending quest for a VR singer or Duff's Loaded?  No.  

I still think that the GnR name is bigger than any other ex-members project. At least to me.
Maybe I'm wrong as far as VR or Loaded fans are concerned. Can't talk on their behalf.

I think or better said, assume, that Axl may have taken it into consideration to go up there and accept the award.
But I think that someone like Steven would have used that chance for sure of talking directly about a reunion and that they were the best and bla bla bla.
Axl always lived his life and got bashed for it a couple of times. Even to me it was sometimes weird and not understandable.
Others say that about my behavior too :p
Do what you like and whenever you like it.

The point that I think is the most important one about lineups and stuff is the chemistry on stage.
From my point of view it's the best we ever had right now.
It would for sure jeopardize some of it if Steven or anyone else came up with reunion wishes right at a ceremony where an old but very successful lineup is honored while the GnR band is still touring and doing it well.
And since the camp ain't so much of press-focused the media gathers attention by pulling stories out of their asses just to get more clicks or sales numbers no matter how true they might be.

Stay out of the spotlights is by far the best Axl can do.

I think the stage chemistry is only one part of it. The chemistry you have when you record is the biggie. I dont think an album like Chinese Democracy allowed for that to happen. Too many people playing too many parts. I would love to see what the current lineup could come up with chemistry wise in the studio. Not having different people playing on different songs.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 12, 2012, 01:01:02 PM
Axl promised nobody anything.

And I agree with him. IF GNR were to be inducted AND perform : it should contain every member of the current lineup.

Lets look at the length of time people have been in GNR
Axl - 27 years
Dizzy - 21 years
Tommy - 14 years
Pitman - 12 years
Fortus - 10 years
Bumble - 7 years
Frank - 6 years
DJ - 3 years

And how long have the ex-members been in the band?
Duff - 12 years
Slash - 10 years
Robin - 9 years
Izzy - 5 years
Josh - 5 years
Brain - 5 years
Matt - 5 years
Adler - 5 years
Buckethead - 4 years
Gilby - 3 years


Fairly disrespectful to the current band, and their work, to invite the former members and not them. It's "Damned If You Do / Damned If You Don't". All those whining pussies upset that Axl won't be their bitch and sing the old songs with guys who haven't been in the band for over 20 years? Get over it. It'll never be 1991 again.

Yes, the current lineup is a better band.

Axl may use too many words, and talk like someone who has spent a little too long in therapy sometimes, but this is a decision that commands respect for the courage to stand up to others expectations and the integrity that it brings.

I dont think how many years you have been in the band should play a roll. In all seriousness do you think anyone in the current band would even accept the honor? I wouldnt think so from the few comments some members have made. I think they know that it isnt their contribution that got them inducted. I personally think the new guitarist in Chili Peppers cheapins the whole hall of fame anyway. He has no business being inducted & if he had any integrity would be the one writing the letter asking not to be recognized.

Anyways I could care less that Axl doesnt want to be apart of this. I love the guys in the band currently & really only wanted to see the "reunion" so I could finally see Izzy live.

Without the current band there would be no GNR. No tour. No records. Nothing. The current lineup have kept the GNR vision and flame burning. Axl has shown integrity and strength by refusing to do what is expected of him, and by standing by his band which is loyal and strong. They may not have been there at the start - show me one band that has had the same lineup in 30 years apart from U2 - but this band is here now and keeping the GNR name and legacy alive and doing a damn good job of it. To only induct the 1987-93 lineup would be an insult to those who have kept GNR alive since then.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cyllan on April 12, 2012, 01:04:26 PM



And I don't know why any GN'R fan would imagine their desire to see the band on stage should be more important than Axl's own wishes in this matter. 


Sorry - I don't know Axl. Don't know Slash. Don't know Buckethead. Don't know Bumblefoot. Don't know DJ Ashba, etc etc etc.  They may be good people, bad people... who knows and frankly, I don't care.  Just like I don't know Michael Jordan or Mike Tyson or Floyd Mayweather or Jon Bones Jones.  As a consumer of entertainment, I like to watch them perform.  I enjoy their work.   Absolutely my desires to see Axl at the RRHOF is more important than Axl's wishes, to me.  And that's how the majority of ppl feel if you read Yahoo comments, read Rolling Stone comments, etc.  There is obviously a group of fans on here that will always defend Axl's actions to the death, no matter what he says or does.  I never understood this, with him or any entertainer.  We don't know these ppl.  We love and appreciate their work and creativity.  If Axl was a lousy singer/songwriter, this board wouldn't exist and no one would know him.  We know these guys for their talents and the music they've created.  So yes, it is absolutely more important to me, as someone who wants to hear Axl sing/ perform  that he attends the RRHOF.  Call it selfish.  It's reality.  

You say you love and appreciate Axl's work and creativity, well just how much of this do you think you'd get to experience if he wasted his energy trying to please the selfish whims of fans? I doubt there's one of us on here who truly understands how much of his soul he's had to pour into rebuilding GN'R into the musical monster it is today. Some of us appreciate everything he's done to enable us to still be able to go to a Guns show in the 21st century and, yes, you know what, it includes respecting decisions he makes for himself and on behalf of GN'R, even when they may not accord with what we'd personally like to see or hear.

I don't often read the comments on the websites you mention because I get sick of reading the views of people who think the world revolves around them and half the time are too lazy to even bother to string a coherent sentence together. As you say yourself, your attitude is selfish and, to be honest, if I were in Axl's shoes, the more so-called fans demanded their needs be met, the less inclined I'd be to please them.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: schnoogans37 on April 12, 2012, 01:33:58 PM
I've been thinking about this a lot over the last day. I don't fault Axl at all for his decision to reject the induction into the Hall of Fame and not attend. However, I do wish he would have communicated more with his own fans about his feelings on this, whatever they were, much earlier than three days before the event.

I actually don't believe any GNR fans really care much about the Hall of Fame. The induction itself doesn't really MEAN anything that any rational human being can wrap his head around. Duff discussed this as well in his letter. Music is an art - there are no statistics, or championships, or anything like that. I do believe that this entire thing held very little power until Axl gave it power by talking about being honored and not wanting to ruin the fun for anyone, etc. Really, if Axl had said in an interview back when they were inducted that the entire thing was going to just be too uncomfortable for him to deal with and he didn't really care about the HOF anyway - I really think there would have been very limited backlash - at least from his fans that know where he has stood on the old band historically. That would have been expected from him and completely understandable for anyone that has followed him through the years. GNR fans would have, for the most part, forgotten about the whole HOF thing as anything but a side note in the history of this band. All of the drama of "will they or won't they" that built up over the months and reached a peak this week resulted from that one interview with Axl talking about not wanting to ruin anyones fun and how bad it is when people don't properly accept their awards - and the silence that came from him for all of the months afterwards.

During that time fans of Axl were left with no communication and had to make guesses on their own. Some booked trips from as far as Australia based on him talking about not wanting to ruin anyone's fun, being honored, and wanting to properly accept this honor. These are people, like myself, who support Axl, looked at this, and thought - "well I don't really give a shit about the HOF, but if Axl is honored and going there to accept - I will go and support him." I don't think anyone had any right to expect a reunion performance or anything, but the best information Axl had given any of his fans was that he was planning on attending to accept and that if we went - we would be able to be there to support him in what he considered to be an honor.

At the same time, I realize that one of the reasons we love Axl is for his unique Axl ways of dealing with the world. Axl comes with a lack of communication, last minute cancellations, and a VERY strong will. Anyone buying a ticket to anything related to Axl knows that anything can happen. I do think that, for his own sake, he could communicate a touch better with HIS fans (the people who support him through everything he has done - not just the classic GNR lineup) so that situations like a Chinese Democracy fan in Australia flying to Cleveland to show his support to Axl specifically - just do not happen. He doesn't owe us anything as fans, but he could look out for those of us who want to support him in the things he chooses to do and not do a bit better.

The backlash I have seen from casual fans and friends on this last minute decision has been strong (which Axl himself seemed to realize was going to be the case). This is particularly the case from casual fans I know that bought a ticket for this - not expecting a reunion - but hoping to see Axl in person, support him, and hear from him. I plan on having a blast this weekend. There is so much to look forward to with all of this, but I definitely enter the weekend with mixed feelings on how Axl handled this situation for his own fans and supporters. Surprised? Not at all. Disappointed in how this was handled? Yes.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 12, 2012, 01:38:01 PM
Well would you really expect them to induct every and all 20- some members that have ever been?

Did I say that?

Quote
Nobody is really saying they shouldn't induct this guy and induct that guy, because it's a difficult call to make. But it sure is weird....




/jarmo


Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things... no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.


But when Axl says that in the letter, it's tough to draw any other conclusion than that he has some issue with who is being inducted and possibly who is not.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Gunner80 on April 12, 2012, 01:40:13 PM
how sad.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 12, 2012, 01:41:08 PM
It's amusing when some assume that just because you understand and support Axl's decision, you automatically hate the old band.

If it doesn't feel like it's for you. Why do it? To please others? To make others happy for a day? Well, you could.
But if you think the price is too high? Who are you to say what somebody else should do for you?

eh, Jarmo turned on his twisting mode again.

I just don't get it. If you ignore doing interviews and touring for years and then don't say a word about some award that obviously means a lot to many fans, it's ok.
If you take a break from doing interviews, it's not ok. If you give interviews and also explain your decision, it's not ok because your answer wasn't what people thought you would say.

You make no sense to me.

/jarmo

Me neither, it makes no sense really. & Now, I am so unfortunate, I just have to just stay home and listen to my Will Smith cd. 
Some people are so afraid that they need to please others and not get rejected. Others are not this way.
Maybe some people really need to get used to it. Like this decade. 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 01:51:18 PM
But when Axl says that in the letter, it's tough to draw any other conclusion than that he has some issue with who is being inducted and possibly who is not.


He's in the band. It's his right to feel that way.


Like some of us tried to explain, why is it weird if that bothers Axl?

He's spent the last 15+ years building things up from nothing, but he gets no respect for that. None.

Personally I think it's sad to see.



Just like so many "old fans" get upset because they claim the old band is disrespected whenever Axl says something.

They get upset and claim the old band is disrespected any time you support GN'R in 2012, yet many of them have no respect for what Axl and the band has done since the former members decided to quit.

And then they get angry when Axl doesn't please their needs at this show...  ???





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: StardustGirl on April 12, 2012, 01:55:21 PM

I do believe that this entire thing held very little power until Axl gave it power by talking about being honored and not wanting to ruin the fun for anyone, etc. Really, if Axl had said in an interview back when they were inducted that the entire thing was going to just be too uncomfortable for him to deal with and he didn't really care about the HOF anyway - I really think there would have been very limited backlash - at least from his fans that know where he has stood on the old band historically.

him talking about not wanting to ruin anyone's fun, being honored, and wanting to properly accept this honor.

Just a few thoughts... Perhaps Axl really wanted to find a solution that he could live with and tried for the longest time to make an arrangement so that he could attend but in the end found that there was no way to make it work and decided it was best he did not attend after all.

As for accepting the honor properly, I feel it indicates that he did not want the ceremony spoiled by anyone's behavior and perhaps not attending is one way of ensuring there is less chance for incidents.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ARX on April 12, 2012, 01:56:36 PM
What a bunch of bullshit.

If Axl doesn't wanna go and smile for the cameras at the RNRHOF so some of you get your photo of the "reunion", he shouldn't play any old songs?

WTF.

How about all the guys who QUIT the band stop playing the GN'R songs? Isn't that fair to ask? They wanted nothing to do with GN'R and left. Why are they playing the songs? Oh wait, that's not a problem!




I still think it's ironic that the so called fans from the old days seem to be the most clueless on how Axl and GN'R conduct themselves.

I guess somewhere along the line, GN'R started doing everything the establishment asked them to do? Axl would allow himself to be ambushed into playing ball so the RNRHOF gets the publicity of the magical reunion?


If you believe all this, you're unfortunately been living under a rock for quite some time, or just live in your own fantasy world.

I guess these same people now expect Izzy to show up and sing. Until they're told "I'm not sure he will show up..."






/jarmo

It would be ridiculous for any ex-member to be told not to preform songs they helped write. I will agree with Axl he was screwed in the scenario no matter what... But I wonder did he choose a road that will provide more criticism? In business perception is reality no matter what the actual truths are or arent. Axl is going to be criticized because people's perception is the band they fell in love with is "no longer" because of Axl, not saying that is true just most people's perception. Not showing  up to accept an award based on achievements made by said band only makes things worse in those people/ fan's eyes. If Axl is the only member that doesnt show it will make things even worse for him. Again not saying either way is right or wrong. He gave his side I respect it but dont expect the masses to


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 12, 2012, 01:59:01 PM
But when Axl says that in the letter, it's tough to draw any other conclusion than that he has some issue with who is being inducted and possibly who is not.


He's in the band. It's his right to feel that way.



/jarmo


It's absolutely his right to feel that way. And I respect what he has accomplished with the new band. But did he expect that the HOF would allow him to personally pick and choose who went in and who didn't? That's just not reasonable.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FunkyMonkey on April 12, 2012, 01:59:22 PM
They're not going to read his letter at the ceremony are they -- it isn't going to go down like that?

Hall of Fame to induct Axl Rose - whether he likes it or not

Official statement extends apology but says ceremony will still go ahead


http://www.gigwise.com/news/72168/Hall-of-Fame-to-induct-Axl-Rose---whether-he-likes-it-or-not

Jann Wenner inducts Sex Pistols Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdnQEQhDzUc




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 02:03:07 PM
It would be ridiculous for any ex-member to be told not to preform songs they helped write.


Of course it's ridiculous.

But why is it not ridiculous to post shit like "If he doesn't wanna go accept the induction, he shouldn't play the old songs!"?




I will agree with Axl he was screwed in the scenario no matter what... But I wonder did he choose a road that will provide more criticism? In business perception is reality no matter what the actual truths are or arent. Axl is going to be criticized because people's perception is the band they fell in love with is "no longer" because of Axl, not saying that is true just most people's perception. Not showing  up to accept an award based on achievements made by said band only makes things worse in those people/ fan's eyes. If Axl is the only member that doesnt show it will make things even worse for him. Again not saying either way is right or wrong. He gave his side I respect it but dont expect the masses to


Whatever Axl does, it will be criticized.

Can't please everybody. Why bother trying?

The thing Axl did, and always has, is that he made his decision and kept his integrity.

"All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one." - Scarface




But did he expect that the HOF would allow him to personally pick and choose who went in and who didn't? That's just not reasonable.


Is it more reasonable that they pick and decide? Considering the fact that the band still exists.


These same people have in the past thought other people were worthy. People who had joined successful bands but weren't members when the bands first got popular.


Nobody's saying all the band members who worked in GN'R since 1996 need to be inducted. That's just people being silly and trying to ridicule the idea of having some kind of dialogue.





/jarmo



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 12, 2012, 02:04:47 PM
They're not going to read his letter at the ceremony are they -- it isn't going to go down like that?

Hall of Fame to induct Axl Rose - whether he likes it or not

Official statement extends apology but says ceremony will still go ahead


http://www.gigwise.com/news/72168/Hall-of-Fame-to-induct-Axl-Rose---whether-he-likes-it-or-not

Jann Wenner inducts Sex Pistols Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdnQEQhDzUc




I think they read the Sex Pistols letter because it defined their anti-everything stance on society and was funny and somewhat endearing, in a weird way. They won't do the same with Axl's letter since it can be taken much more seriously.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl8302 on April 12, 2012, 02:05:09 PM
The comments section on the official facebook page is disgusting.

These guys aren't fans at all, they want it their way, and if they don't get it, they act like little babies. Hopefully Axl's decision will "spring clean" these assholes from the GN'R fan base, they're obviously not happy, so piss off, you're not wanted either.

There isn't going to be a reunion, you've had ample warning of this, it shouldn't be a surprise to any of you.

GN'R is Axl, Bumble, Dj, Chris, Dizzy, Fortus, Tommy and Frank... if you don't like that, GTFO, get a fucking life, and stop hating. It's not like the classic lineup have retired, they're all out there doing their own thing, go and listen to that! This isn't "The X Factor", your "dream" of seeing the original lineup play together for one last time, doesn't mean shit.  You're not owed anything. "The fans" didn't put Axl where he is today, his talent did, you went to the shows and bought the records for YOURSELF, because YOU enjoyed them.  Axl isn't the selfish one here, it's his fair weather fan base, he deserves better.

And for the record the Rock N' Roll all of fame is a piece of shit, there isn't anything "rock n' roll" about it.

Here's to the European tour!  :beer:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: schnoogans37 on April 12, 2012, 02:05:21 PM
Quote
Just a few thoughts... Perhaps Axl really wanted to find a solution that he could live with and tried for the longest time to make an arrangement so that he could attend but in the end found that there was no way to make it work and decided it was best he did not attend after all.

But then I have to ask - what arrangement could have been made that would have allowed him to go, that he was denied.  He said in the letter that not only did he not make any demands of the HOF - he didn't even make any requests.  If he had an arrangement in mind that would have allowed him to attend, and they were not interested in that - I would be interested in knowing that.  However, the HOF can't read minds any better than I can.  If he says he didn't make any requests of them, I have to take him at his word.  If that is the case I don't know how they could have done anything to make things work for him.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Chuzeville on April 12, 2012, 02:07:42 PM
This letter is inconsistant to say the least. Methinks Axl doth protest too much, as often.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl8302 on April 12, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
This letter is inconsistant to say the least. Methinks Axl doth protest too much, as often.

What's "inconsistant" about it?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 12, 2012, 02:10:07 PM
The comments section on the official facebook page is disgusting.

These guys aren't fans at all, they want it their way, and if they don't get it, they act like little babies. Hopefully Axl's decision will "spring clean" these assholes from the GN'R fan base, they're obviously not happy, so piss off, you're not wanted either.

There isn't going to be a reunion, you've had ample warning of this, it shouldn't be a surprise to any of you.

GN'R is Axl, Bumble, Dj, Chris, Dizzy, Fortus, Tommy and Frank... if you don't like that, GTFO, get a fucking life, and stop hating. It's not like the classic lineup have retired, they're all out there doing their own thing, go and listen to that! This isn't "The X Factor", your "dream" of seeing the original lineup play together for one last time, doesn't mean shit.  You're not owed anything. "The fans" didn't put Axl where he is today, his talent did, you went to the shows and bought the records for YOURSELF, because YOU enjoyed them.  Axl isn't the selfish one here, it's his fair weather fan base, he deserves better.

And for the record the Rock N' Roll all of fame is a piece of shit, there isn't anything "rock n' roll" about it.

Here's to the European tour!  :beer:

This post is so well said, especially the part in bold.

These people running there mouths on GNR's official facebook aren't the people who were attending the shows over the last 10 years, they are the people who've been living on blabbermouths lies and other websites propaganda for years...

I don't care if you fucking get drunk every night and listen to AFD... that's cool man, just get the fuck out of the way of Chinese Democracy. You can stay in the past and sit quietly while Guns N' Roses lives in the NOW.




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: JSMastro on April 12, 2012, 02:11:33 PM
I literally applaud him for having the courage to take a stand for what he believes in.  Would it have been kinda cool?  Maybe.  But I LOVE the current lineup, and always that it would be ridiculously awkward if he were to get up there with the old lineup.  This removes the awkwardness.  Proud of Axl.  

On a related note, this was a hot topic at home last night.  My wife & kids are vegetarians, and I am not.  So, let's say that The Obamas invite us to a State Dinner at The White House (free of charge), and are serving chicken or steak.  I myself may be thrilled to go, but know that the rest of my clan cannot/will not eat meat and feel uncomfortable about the invitation knowing what is being offered.  But The White house says "No, we're inviting you, it's a free dinner, and you will eat what we are cooking whether you like it or not!"  Why should anyone in this world have to compromise their values or integrity for someone else?  It's absurd...

"Some things would be better if we'd all just let them be..."  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: SirTed on April 12, 2012, 02:13:55 PM
Just my opinion, but I think Axl handled this deftly.

That's not to say that I'm happy about it. To me, it's sad. I didn't really have hopes and aspirations of a full on reunion tour but I thought it might be cool if the fellas put all their shit aside for one day.

Without question there is WAAAAY more to this than any fan could understand and so I respect his decision. I'm sure he has his reasons.

But I just want to say that I think Axl has become a lot better of a communicator with his open letters and general communication through the media.

I haven't check any boards anywhere, and haven't heard one thing or another but I have a hard time imagining that anyone (who isn't an internet troll) criticizing his decision based on the way he explained it. Good job, Axl.

 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ARX on April 12, 2012, 02:19:35 PM
It would be ridiculous for any ex-member to be told not to preform songs they helped write.


Of course it's ridiculous.

But why is it not ridiculous to post shit like "If he doesn't wanna go accept the induction, he shouldn't play the old songs!"?




I will agree with Axl he was screwed in the scenario no matter what... But I wonder did he choose a road that will provide more criticism? In business perception is reality no matter what the actual truths are or arent. Axl is going to be criticized because people's perception is the band they fell in love with is "no longer" because of Axl, not saying that is true just most people's perception. Not showing  up to accept an award based on achievements made by said band only makes things worse in those people/ fan's eyes. If Axl is the only member that doesnt show it will make things even worse for him. Again not saying either way is right or wrong. He gave his side I respect it but dont expect the masses to


Whatever Axl does, it will be criticized.

Can't please everybody. Why bother trying?

The thing Axl did, and always has, is that he made his decision and kept his integrity.

"All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one." - Scarface




But did he expect that the HOF would allow him to personally pick and choose who went in and who didn't? That's just not reasonable.


Is it more reasonable that they pick and decide? Considering the fact that the band still exists.


These same people have in the past thought other people were worthy. People who had joined successful bands but weren't members when the bands first got popular.


Nobody's saying all the band members who worked in GN'R since 1996 need to be inducted. That's just people being silly and trying to ridicule the idea of having some kind of dialogue.





/jarmo



I agree 100% its ridiculous for anyone to say Axl shouldn't perform old songs regardless of his decision with the HOF. You're right Axl has always done things his way.He did not air dirty laundry in the press. Some will say that is respectful and admirable others might say its stubbornness. I dont know Axl or know what the guy goes through so it is not up to me or anyone to judge him. We can not like his decision and choose not buy his music or attend his shows but we cannot control the way he runs his business.  I wish him only the best as all current and ex members and hope he continues to perform and make music. Ive seen GnR 3 time since Oct and took my 9 YO to a show. Memories I will always cherish. And next month I will see Slash and hope to one day see Loaded


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: destry rides again on April 12, 2012, 02:21:28 PM
This is for all you motherfucking reunion wanting, past living, axl bashing bastards

http://youtu.be/5FTjgRr_jdE

Take a minute to listen to the lyrics. Especially the chorus. Perhaps it will make you feel better.

 :smoking:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bodhi on April 12, 2012, 02:23:20 PM
I'll tell you one thing, those who are still hanging around  for a reunion, THIS should really be it for you.  I know the Hall of Fame thing was in the back of everyone's mind for the last 15 years or so as the night where it was still possible, but if it isn't happening this weekend, its pretty safe to say it never will.

Good news though, in case you haven't noticed, and judging by some of the posts I've read, you havent, GNR are still  a very active band that still puts out music and tours and everything.....



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Aero on April 12, 2012, 02:24:52 PM
I'm with Axl on this one... he shouldn't reunite with Slash and co. just to satisfy his fans. They have a personal background and he has to do what he feels authentic for himself. I wouldn't like to see him in an awkward situation and having a bad time because of fan's stupid demands.

Plus Axl doesn't need a ceremony... He already has millions of fans loving and respecting Guns N' Roses.

AFD is a perfect and unique rock jewel, made by 5 people. Even Axl congratulates his old bandmates. But they are human beings and they got their problems... past doesn't change

And thanks god, this is a very Axl Rose attitude to face this situation  :hihi: :peace: THANK YOUUUUU


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl8302 on April 12, 2012, 02:25:04 PM
This is for all you motherfucking reunion wanting, past living, axl bashing bastards

http://youtu.be/5FTjgRr_jdE

Take a minute to listen to the lyrics. Especially the chorus. Perhaps it will make you feel better.

 :smoking:

Nice, very apt!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: new gnr fan on April 12, 2012, 02:27:59 PM
I think, the HOF expected something else from Axl, maybe that he see the induction as a chance, to heal the wounds. But what they did not expect is that he has strong principles, which he would never betray.
The HOF have nothing from these properties. They are just commerce, not more.
I bet, they would say "Wow, Buckethead, what a guitar hero, he needs to be inducted", if he would have the same success as Slash. And that is WRONG!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Aero on April 12, 2012, 02:35:33 PM
I think, the HOF expected something else from Axl, maybe that he see the induction as a chance, to heal the wounds.

The HOF expected the reunion as a chance to earn tons of money...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: StardustGirl on April 12, 2012, 02:36:50 PM
Quote
Just a few thoughts... Perhaps Axl really wanted to find a solution that he could live with and tried for the longest time to make an arrangement so that he could attend but in the end found that there was no way to make it work and decided it was best he did not attend after all.

But then I have to ask - what arrangement could have been made that would have allowed him to go, that he was denied.  He said in the letter that not only did he not make any demands of the HOF - he didn't even make any requests.  If he had an arrangement in mind that would have allowed him to attend, and they were not interested in that - I would be interested in knowing that.  However, the HOF can't read minds any better than I can.  If he says he didn't make any requests of them, I have to take him at his word.  If that is the case I don't know how they could have done anything to make things work for him.


To quote the man himself: "Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out" and "Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around" imply that there was an intent to attend, but no good solution was found.

"The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba" would seem to suggest there have been demands of a reunion, but Axl chooses the current band over something that existed in the past.

"There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities" in my opinion refer to people trying to make cash with the reunion, something that obviously ain't pleasing Axl (and thank God for that).

"Maybe if it were you it'd be different. Maybe you'd do it for this reason or that. Peace, whatever. I love our band now. We're there for each other when the going get's rough. We love our fans and work to give them every ounce of energy and heart we can" pretty much says it all in my opinion.

And last but not least: "But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on."  

Too bad people don't seem to comprehend a thing they read, plain and clear.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: new gnr fan on April 12, 2012, 02:39:17 PM
I think, the HOF expected something else from Axl, maybe that he see the induction as a chance, to heal the wounds.

The HOF expected the reunion as a chance to earn tons of money...

Yeah, and that  :hihi: Man, i hate those awards...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 02:41:30 PM
For those waiting for the reunion, what have you done that makes Axl owe you to reunite with the former members?

You've been a fan for a long time so it's your right to decide who works with who and who should spend their time with who?

You've spent a lot of money on the band so the only way to show gratitude for you parting with your hard earned money is for the old band to get back together?


What is it? Why?


The only way Axl can prove that he appreciates the fans is by showing up at an industry event and please the delusional dreams of those who don't even care about what Axl has been doing since the old band ceased to exist? The only thing he needs to do is to please the ones who have been ridiculing the band and spreading bullshit year after year?


Too bad people don't seem to comprehend a thing they read, plain and clear.


Same people have been told for a long time that Axl has no interest to share stage with Slash. That never stopped them fro thinking it would happen this weekend.

It's pretty obvious they don't care to read, listen or pay attention to anything that would make what they are "owed" unlikely to happen.





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Hudson on April 12, 2012, 02:44:26 PM
What was the amicable solution he was trying to attain?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: schnoogans37 on April 12, 2012, 02:48:16 PM
Quote
Just a few thoughts... Perhaps Axl really wanted to find a solution that he could live with and tried for the longest time to make an arrangement so that he could attend but in the end found that there was no way to make it work and decided it was best he did not attend after all.

But then I have to ask - what arrangement could have been made that would have allowed him to go, that he was denied.  He said in the letter that not only did he not make any demands of the HOF - he didn't even make any requests.  If he had an arrangement in mind that would have allowed him to attend, and they were not interested in that - I would be interested in knowing that.  However, the HOF can't read minds any better than I can.  If he says he didn't make any requests of them, I have to take him at his word.  If that is the case I don't know how they could have done anything to make things work for him.


To quote the man himself: "Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out" and "Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around" imply that there was an intent to attend, but no good solution was found.

Right, he was open to an amicable solution, but made no requests.  I'm not sure what an amicable solution based on no requests would have been.  I suppose this is part of the problem.  There is no communication for many months, and when there is communication - it is plenty lengthy, but doesn't really say much that is concrete.  We are forced to read between the lines and assume things and then are told on Facebook we shouldn't try to read between the lines and assume anything.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Axl owes anyone a thing.  I just think some better communication (not longer communication) with fans would help save both him and his biggest fans from frustration in misinterpretations and mistruths.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: StardustGirl on April 12, 2012, 02:48:58 PM
What was the amicable solution he was trying to attain?

The crux of this matter seems to be the demands for a reunion so my guess is attending without obligation to perform may have been an issue.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: WAR41 on April 12, 2012, 02:51:45 PM
I think, the HOF expected something else from Axl, maybe that he see the induction as a chance, to heal the wounds. But what they did not expect is that he has strong principles, which he would never betray.
The HOF have nothing from these properties. They are just commerce, not more.
I bet, they would say "Wow, Buckethead, what a guitar hero, he needs to be inducted", if he would have the same success as Slash. And that is WRONG!

Yes, the non-profit organization is all about turning a profit  ::)

Isn't it time for you to change your avatar?  This is the NEW Gnr we are talking about here, NOT any of the older members!!   :rant:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 02:53:13 PM
The one thing Axl would have gotten from me if he'd shown up would have been utmost respect. I knew there was no chance for him to sit with or even play with Slash, Duff, Izzy n' Steven, but I thought he might have at least have attended the ceremony and acknowledged the accolade.

But instead he refuses to recognise the era that made him what he is today. Disappointment is the only word I can use to describe it at the moment.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: StardustGirl on April 12, 2012, 02:54:10 PM
Quote
Just a few thoughts... Perhaps Axl really wanted to find a solution that he could live with and tried for the longest time to make an arrangement so that he could attend but in the end found that there was no way to make it work and decided it was best he did not attend after all.

But then I have to ask - what arrangement could have been made that would have allowed him to go, that he was denied.  He said in the letter that not only did he not make any demands of the HOF - he didn't even make any requests.  If he had an arrangement in mind that would have allowed him to attend, and they were not interested in that - I would be interested in knowing that.  However, the HOF can't read minds any better than I can.  If he says he didn't make any requests of them, I have to take him at his word.  If that is the case I don't know how they could have done anything to make things work for him.


To quote the man himself: "Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out" and "Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around" imply that there was an intent to attend, but no good solution was found.

Right, he was open to an amicable solution, but made no requests.  I'm not sure what an amicable solution based on no requests would have been.  I suppose this is part of the problem.  There is no communication for many months, and when there is communication - it is plenty lengthy, but doesn't really say much that is concrete.  We are forced to read between the lines and assume things and then are told on Facebook we shouldn't try to read between the lines and assume anything.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Axl owes anyone a thing.  I just think some better communication (not longer communication) with fans would help save both him and his biggest fans from frustration in misinterpretations and mistruths.


The way I read it, the letter clearly says there has been communication between hof and Axl. It also says Axl did not demand or request but omits to mention if hof had demands. Judging by the outcome I'd say they had. Just saying.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: schnoogans37 on April 12, 2012, 02:54:35 PM
What was the amicable solution he was trying to attain?

The crux of this matter seems to be the demands for a reunion so my guess is attending without obligation to perform may have been an issue.

I have to disagree.  The Hall of Fame has said all along that they had no idea if there was going to be a performance, but that all 5 original members agreed to go (even Dizzy repeated this to the press).  They seemed fine with this.  No inductees are ever forced to perform.  Madonna went and didn't perform.  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 02:57:26 PM
But instead he refuses to recognise the era that made him what he is today. Disappointment is the only word I can use to describe it at the moment.

Why is this the usual response from those who are disappointed?

The refusal by many GN'R fans to recognize the shit Axl has had to go through to get where he is today is never an issue.

Neither is it an issue that the RNRHOF also refused to acknowledge that the band is active and didn't end when Izzy left.


It's ok to disrespect the present and the past 15 years, but not what happened 25 years ago. If you do that, you're just being selfish...  ::)



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: schnoogans37 on April 12, 2012, 02:57:54 PM
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Just a few thoughts... Perhaps Axl really wanted to find a solution that he could live with and tried for the longest time to make an arrangement so that he could attend but in the end found that there was no way to make it work and decided it was best he did not attend after all.

But then I have to ask - what arrangement could have been made that would have allowed him to go, that he was denied.  He said in the letter that not only did he not make any demands of the HOF - he didn't even make any requests.  If he had an arrangement in mind that would have allowed him to attend, and they were not interested in that - I would be interested in knowing that.  However, the HOF can't read minds any better than I can.  If he says he didn't make any requests of them, I have to take him at his word.  If that is the case I don't know how they could have done anything to make things work for him.


To quote the man himself: "Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out" and "Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around" imply that there was an intent to attend, but no good solution was found.

Right, he was open to an amicable solution, but made no requests.  I'm not sure what an amicable solution based on no requests would have been.  I suppose this is part of the problem.  There is no communication for many months, and when there is communication - it is plenty lengthy, but doesn't really say much that is concrete.  We are forced to read between the lines and assume things and then are told on Facebook we shouldn't try to read between the lines and assume anything.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Axl owes anyone a thing.  I just think some better communication (not longer communication) with fans would help save both him and his biggest fans from frustration in misinterpretations and mistruths.


The way I read it, the letter clearly says there has been communication between hof and Axl. It also says Axl did not demand or request but omits to mention if hof had demands. Judging by the outcome I'd say they had. Just saying.

and what could they have possibly demanded?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 12, 2012, 02:58:45 PM
Just my opinion, but I think Axl handled this deftly.
 

You are absolutely correct. The way Axl has written the letter has made it difficult for people to criticise him and he must be praised for doing what he thinks is right for him and his band at this moment in time.

Someone at the Rock N'Roll Hall of Fame told me that they based their judgements on the influential elements of any given inductees, and they regard AFD and the AFD era as influential, whereas the other albums are classics in their own right, but not influential in their given eras. Just thought that might be interesting for anyone reading.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: new gnr fan on April 12, 2012, 02:59:50 PM
I think, the HOF expected something else from Axl, maybe that he see the induction as a chance, to heal the wounds. But what they did not expect is that he has strong principles, which he would never betray.
The HOF have nothing from these properties. They are just commerce, not more.
I bet, they would say "Wow, Buckethead, what a guitar hero, he needs to be inducted", if he would have the same success as Slash. And that is WRONG!

Yes, the non-profit organization is all about turning a profit  ::)

Isn't it time for you to change your avatar?  This is the NEW Gnr we are talking about here, NOT any of the older members!!   :rant:

Relaxe, dude, i LOVE the new line up^^ The choice of avatar have nothing to do with the "new" line up


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: manicstreet on April 12, 2012, 03:01:24 PM
Axl promised nobody anything.

And I agree with him. IF GNR were to be inducted AND perform : it should contain every member of the current lineup.

Lets look at the length of time people have been in GNR
Axl - 27 years
Dizzy - 21 years
Tommy - 14 years
Pitman - 12 years
Fortus - 10 years
Bumble - 7 years
Frank - 6 years
DJ - 3 years

And how long have the ex-members been in the band?
Duff - 12 years
Slash - 10 years
Robin - 9 years
Izzy - 5 years
Josh - 5 years
Brain - 5 years
Matt - 5 years
Adler - 5 years
Buckethead - 4 years
Gilby - 3 years


Fairly disrespectful to the current band, and their work, to invite the former members and not them. It's "Damned If You Do / Damned If You Don't". All those whining pussies upset that Axl won't be their bitch and sing the old songs with guys who haven't been in the band for over 20 years? Get over it. It'll never be 1991 again.

Yes, the current lineup is a better band.

Axl may use too many words, and talk like someone who has spent a little too long in therapy sometimes, but this is a decision that commands respect for the courage to stand up to others expectations and the integrity that it brings.

I dont think how many years you have been in the band should play a roll. In all seriousness do you think anyone in the current band would even accept the honor? I wouldnt think so from the few comments some members have made. I think they know that it isnt their contribution that got them inducted. I personally think the new guitarist in Chili Peppers cheapins the whole hall of fame anyway. He has no business being inducted & if he had any integrity would be the one writing the letter asking not to be recognized.

Anyways I could care less that Axl doesnt want to be apart of this. I love the guys in the band currently & really only wanted to see the "reunion" so I could finally see Izzy live.

Without the current band there would be no GNR. No tour. No records. Nothing. The current lineup have kept the GNR vision and flame burning. Axl has shown integrity and strength by refusing to do what is expected of him, and by standing by his band which is loyal and strong. They may not have been there at the start - show me one band that has had the same lineup in 30 years apart from U2 - but this band is here now and keeping the GNR name and legacy alive and doing a damn good job of it. To only induct the 1987-93 lineup would be an insult to those who have kept GNR alive since then.

In my opinion the band could have ended in 1993 & they still would have been inducted into the R&RHOF. Yes, they are keeping the legacy alive for new fans to enjoy the wonderful music that was created 20+ years ago. That is my point. the correct members are being inducted. To be truthfully honest I feel Matt Sorum & Dizzy are more important to Guns than Adler. If Guns would have flamed out after Appetite their would be no hall of fame. It is the genius of the illusions that pushed guns into the stratusphere.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Kenny Jones (replaced Keith Moon in the Who) was inducted into the hall of fame. He recorded 2 albums and toured with them for 10 years & was considered a full member. In my opinion he should not be in becasue when people think of the Who they sure as hell do not think about the album "It's Hard" or the song "You better You bet". However unfortunate that is that is how the general public feels about Guns N' Roses.

Fun Fact: At the Detroit show in February, I was talking to some guy & his wife. He was telling me how excited he was to see Slash. I was like, Huh!? I told him that Slash hasnt been in the band for 16 years. Sadly there are alot of "fans" like him out there.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: snead hearn on April 12, 2012, 03:02:26 PM
What was the amicable solution he was trying to attain?
Viable question. That's for Axl to know and the rest of us to find out. Wait, scratch that. And for the rest of us to never know.
I say fine. For two reasons. One-the man is entitled to his opinion. Two-if you're gonna have to deal with someone who feels they need to get THAT meticulous in an explanation, then why would you question anything, let alone have the strength, patience or brain cells to deal with such after hearing such an explanation.

"appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around". Fine. Whatever.

I bet the piercing of your own sword when you're falling on it hurts THAT much more then all of the other swords that of course EVERYONE had out. Ok. Fine. Sure.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: WAR41 on April 12, 2012, 03:04:53 PM
But instead he refuses to recognise the era that made him what he is today. Disappointment is the only word I can use to describe it at the moment.

Why is this the usual response from those who are disappointed?

The refusal by many GN'R fans to recognize the shit Axl has had to go through to get where he is today is never an issue.

Neither is it an issue that the RNRHOF also refused to acknowledge that the band is active and didn't end when Izzy left.




/jarmo

Haha who said anyone is refusing to recognize what Axl went through???  Its possible Jarmo that people recognize what Axl went through to bring the band to where it is today AND believe that his refusal to attend the ceremony is shunning the era of the band that allowed him the success he had today.  

I am not sure why this is such a difficult concept to understand.  You think that everyone who here critiques Axl or says something favorably about older members is automatically anti-Axl/New GNR.  I have seen the non-classic era GNR 9 times and as recently as February of 2012.  I think it shows that I still support the band even though I don't agree with Axl 100% of the time.  

I swear I would love to see the guidelines given to GNR employees.  Can you post it one day?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Aero on April 12, 2012, 03:04:59 PM
What was the amicable solution he was trying to attain?

I can't find the article but I remember something about axl talking about the HOF lineup... where he said he wouldn't play with Izzy and Steven because the actual members put more effort in the band than them... am I right?

So I believe that the amicable solution was a short performance with an hybrid lineup, or maybe just share the stage for getting the prize!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: banachkevin on April 12, 2012, 03:07:25 PM
Now that took balls good for you axl
" why should I choose to prostitute myself to live with fortune and shame"
What a load off that was thanks axl hope to see guns in Canada (Saskatoon) wink wink


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Hudson on April 12, 2012, 03:07:54 PM
I love how Axl can never do any wrong in some people's eyes. For the most part everyone on this board knows that there is no reunion, and we are not saying Axl owes anyone anything including an explanation for his actions. Nevertheless, he chose to not go and chose to explain why he was not going. In doing so as fans we will accept it because we have no say and no choice as it is his decision to do what he wants. Nevertheless, as fans we can disagree or agree with his decision. A segment of GnRs fan base like it or not would have liked and enjoyed seeing their favorite band GnR be recognized for their accomplishments in the industry. With that said, Axl is the only one that we know who has expressed and complained about the HoF and their inability to comply with his requests of which we are unaware of. Using the white house dinner example, I would think if the president would invite you to dinner and you do not like the food you simply go to dinner have a dinner roll and politely thank him for his invitation, not insult him because he was polite enough to invite you to dinner and because you did not like the food. This is the perfect example of how a bratty kid acts in this situation and is similar to Axls conduct in these circumstances.

I have no doubt GnR will continue to tour and draw crowds at their shows with this line up and even future line ups. This will pass but it will leave a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths when really it could have changed people's perspective about Axl. I think if he would have at least gone accepted the award people who thought Axl was difficult, that it was cool he showed up and not such a bad guy after all. This act only further confirms that he is a primodana. I think he missed a great opportunity to show he is a classy guy by showing the former members and some of his fans respect as well as taking the opportunity to tell the world that there is a new version of GnR that is going to keep rocking for another 25 years.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: StardustGirl on April 12, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
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Just a few thoughts... Perhaps Axl really wanted to find a solution that he could live with and tried for the longest time to make an arrangement so that he could attend but in the end found that there was no way to make it work and decided it was best he did not attend after all.

But then I have to ask - what arrangement could have been made that would have allowed him to go, that he was denied.  He said in the letter that not only did he not make any demands of the HOF - he didn't even make any requests.  If he had an arrangement in mind that would have allowed him to attend, and they were not interested in that - I would be interested in knowing that.  However, the HOF can't read minds any better than I can.  If he says he didn't make any requests of them, I have to take him at his word.  If that is the case I don't know how they could have done anything to make things work for him.


To quote the man himself: "Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out" and "Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around" imply that there was an intent to attend, but no good solution was found.

Right, he was open to an amicable solution, but made no requests.  I'm not sure what an amicable solution based on no requests would have been.  I suppose this is part of the problem.  There is no communication for many months, and when there is communication - it is plenty lengthy, but doesn't really say much that is concrete.  We are forced to read between the lines and assume things and then are told on Facebook we shouldn't try to read between the lines and assume anything.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Axl owes anyone a thing.  I just think some better communication (not longer communication) with fans would help save both him and his biggest fans from frustration in misinterpretations and mistruths.


The way I read it, the letter clearly says there has been communication between hof and Axl. It also says Axl did not demand or request but omits to mention if hof had demands. Judging by the outcome I'd say they had. Just saying.

and what could they have possibly demanded?

I'm sure that with a bit of brain storming you can come up with some possibilities. Could be for instance something to do with performing, dealing with the other inductees, treating the current members, to mention a few possibilities (and yes, this is pure speculation since there is no inside info available as far as i know, but as you see, there are possibilities).


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: WAR41 on April 12, 2012, 03:10:07 PM
By the way, I still say that Axl playing My World would have solved all problems.  He would have 'reunited' for a 'classic' song at the induction ceremony. 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 12, 2012, 03:12:44 PM
What was the amicable solution he was trying to attain?

I can't find the article but I remember something about axl talking about the HOF lineup... where he said he wouldn't play with Izzy and Steven because the actual members put more effort in the band than them... am I right?

So I believe that the amicable solution was a short performance with an hybrid lineup, or maybe just share the stage for getting the prize!

I think you may be referencing a very old article. He says in the letter he invited Izzy to play back in December.

By the way, I still say that Axl playing My World would have solved all problems.  He would have 'reunited' for a 'classic' song at the induction ceremony. 

I don't think he was interested in doing something jerky like that. He mentioned Marlon Brando sending a Native American to accept his Oscar and wanting to avoid something like that.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 03:14:23 PM
Haha who said anyone is refusing to recognize what Axl went through???  Its possible Jarmo that people recognize what Axl went through to bring the band to where it is today AND believe that his refusal to attend the ceremony is shunning the era of the band that allowed him the success he had today.  

When you decide to acknowledge line ups that existed 20 years ago, but say nothing about what has happened since, you are refusing it.





I am not sure why this is such a difficult concept to understand.  You think that everyone who here critiques Axl or says something favorably about older members is automatically anti-Axl/New GNR.  

No, I don't.

But I know when I see misguided people make assumptions that they aren't interested in anything other than what they made up in their minds.

There's something ironic about so called hardcore fans being surprised by all this and acting all upset. Who told them that anything had changed? The media? The RNRHOF?



It's just business as usual. If it wasn't this letter, they'd be upset about something else. Because they aren't getting what they want.



I swear I would love to see the guidelines given to GNR employees.  Can you post it one day?

I guess this is yet another one of those things that only exist in fantasy land.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 03:16:20 PM
But instead he refuses to recognise the era that made him what he is today. Disappointment is the only word I can use to describe it at the moment.

Why is this the usual response from those who are disappointed?

The refusal by many GN'R fans to recognize the shit Axl has had to go through to get where he is today is never an issue.

Neither is it an issue that the RNRHOF also refused to acknowledge that the band is active and didn't end when Izzy left.


It's ok to disrespect the present and the past 15 years, but not what happened 25 years ago. If you do that, you're just being selfish...  ::)



/jarmo

Ah Jarmo, knew you'd be yapping at my heels soon enough. Agree with me or not, I couldn't give a hoot.

I'm not refusing to accept the shit that Axl's been through. All of the band members, both past and present have been through the mill with GN'R. But to not even accept or want to be included in something that honours the very foundations of everything that he has now... everything that he still fronts and stands for... well you know my thoughts.

And I'm not disrespecting the present or the past 15 years. If I was, I wouldn't have spent hundreds on going to see the current band perform.


Haha who said anyone is refusing to recognize what Axl went through???  Its possible Jarmo that people recognize what Axl went through to bring the band to where it is today AND believe that his refusal to attend the ceremony is shunning the era of the band that allowed him the success he had today.  

I am not sure why this is such a difficult concept to understand.  You think that everyone who here critiques Axl or says something favorably about older members is automatically anti-Axl/New GNR.  I have seen the non-classic era GNR 9 times and as recently as February of 2012.  I think it shows that I still support the band even though I don't agree with Axl 100% of the time.  

I swear I would love to see the guidelines given to GNR employees.  Can you post it one day?

Amen! :rofl: :rofl:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: schnoogans37 on April 12, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
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and what could they have possibly demanded?
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I'm sure that with a bit of brain storming you can come up with some possibilities. Could be for instance something to do with performing, dealing with the other inductees, treating the current members, to mention a few possibilities (and yes, this is pure speculation since there is no inside info available as far as i know, but as you see, there are possibilities).

I find it hard to believe that the HOF would have done anything but bend over backwards to get him to come.  Do we really believe they told him he couldn't come unless he performed?  Unless he was nice to the other inductees?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 03:21:01 PM
I'm not refusing to accept the shit that Axl's been through. All of the band members, both past and present have been through the mill with GN'R. But to not even accept or want to be included in something that honours the very foundations of everything that he has now... everything that he still fronts and stands for... well you know my thoughts.


And your thoughts are worth as much as the next guy's...  :)


And I'm not disrespecting the present or the past 15 years. If I was, I wouldn't have spent hundreds on going to see the current band perform.


Didn't say you were. I'm saying it seems like it's ok to.

We honor this part of your history, but not that part.


It would be a totally different thing if the band has ceased to exist in 1993. But they didn't...

Can you at least admit that you can see why somebody might object to that way of thinking if it was their band being honored?



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cyllan on April 12, 2012, 03:22:20 PM

During that time fans of Axl were left with no communication and had to make guesses on their own. Some booked trips from as far as Australia based on him talking about not wanting to ruin anyone's fun, being honored, and wanting to properly accept this honor. These are people, like myself, who support Axl, looked at this, and thought - "well I don't really give a shit about the HOF, but if Axl is honored and going there to accept - I will go and support him." I don't think anyone had any right to expect a reunion performance or anything, but the best information Axl had given any of his fans was that he was planning on attending to accept and that if we went - we would be able to be there to support him in what he considered to be an honor.

At the same time, I realize that one of the reasons we love Axl is for his unique Axl ways of dealing with the world. Axl comes with a lack of communication, last minute cancellations, and a VERY strong will. Anyone buying a ticket to anything related to Axl knows that anything can happen. I do think that, for his own sake, he could communicate a touch better with HIS fans (the people who support him through everything he has done - not just the classic GNR lineup) so that situations like a Chinese Democracy fan in Australia flying to Cleveland to show his support to Axl specifically - just do not happen. He doesn't owe us anything as fans, but he could look out for those of us who want to support him in the things he chooses to do and not do a bit better.

The backlash I have seen from casual fans and friends on this last minute decision has been strong (which Axl himself seemed to realize was going to be the case). This is particularly the case from casual fans I know that bought a ticket for this - not expecting a reunion - but hoping to see Axl in person, support him, and hear from him. I plan on having a blast this weekend. There is so much to look forward to with all of this, but I definitely enter the weekend with mixed feelings on how Axl handled this situation for his own fans and supporters. Surprised? Not at all. Disappointed in how this was handled? Yes.

Whilst I do feel some sympathy for anyone who has spent a lot of money booking flights to Cleveland in the hope of seeing Axl, I have to say that the evidence that he would attend was always flimsy at best. (To be honest, they'd have been better off buying a ticket to the UCAP shows.) With a situation such as this, anyone buying a ticket must have realised that there were no guarantees and so accepted responsibility for the decision they took in booking; regardless of whether or not direct communication from the band members was forthcoming.

I think that we've probably had a greater amount of communication with the present band than we ever did with previous line-ups - obviously current technology has definitely played its part in this. Axl has presented us with an explanation as to why he's made the decision he has and, in doing so, has made himself vulnerable to sections of the media who'll use it as another stick to beat him. Yet he did it, I believe, because he cares about the fans who've stuck with him and supported the new line-up and he is genuinely appreciative of our loyalty. I haven't seen any evidence that he's deliberately tried to mislead anyone over this situation and if fans are claiming this then I think they've been blinded by their own desires. Plans change and sometimes you just have to accept this and make the best of a situation and not look for someone to pin the blame on.

Case in point was in 92 when Axl was due to stand trial over the St Louis incident. Bear in mind that this was pre-internet and news was scarce and bloody difficult to come by. Here in the UK, Kerrang was almost the only source of rock news. (Now that's a scary thought!)  The media over here had hyped up the case to the point that they'd practically got him banged up for life before the trial had even started. Here I am your rabid GN'R fan thousands of miles away from the scene of the action, imagining all sorts of nightmare scenarios of Axl in prison or worse. I decide that I can't rely on biaised K journalism for fair reporting of the events so take it upon myself to book a trip to St Louis for the trial. Thinking all the while that it could be the last time I see him. Well, to cut a long story slightly shorter, I get there and the trial is postponed. There's no way I could afford to return later - this was a one-time option for me in those days. Obviously I was disappointed but when I found out the reasons why, I understood and tried to make the best of my time there. The point I'm trying to make, albeit in a long-winded way, is that I took responsibility for my actions and didn't start searching around for someone to blame. Which is, I feel, the opposite of how some of the fans you mention appear to be dealing with this and, at the risk of sounding like a grumpy old git, is an attitude that I feel is far too prevalent in today's society.

Handing soapbox over the anyone else who wants it now....  ;D


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bodhi on April 12, 2012, 03:25:56 PM
From MTV:


An Open Letter To Axl Rose And Guns N' Roses Fans Everywhere
Our columnist comes out in support of the last remaining rock star after Axl's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame kiss-off.


By James Montgomery

 
To: W. Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

Greetings from New York City, which is approximately 490 miles from Cleveland, site of this weekend's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony and roughly 50 bazillion miles from whatever Bedouin caravan Mr. Rose is currently encamped with — though, to be honest, it feels much farther removed from both. Especially given the reaction most GN'R fans have had to Rose's open letter to the Hall of Fame, which he published Wednesday and which has subsequently turned him into the most hated man on the Internet.

Here's the thing (and, really, the reason I'm writing this letter): Despite the thousands of comments his letter has generated — which largely run the gamut from "YOU SUCK" to "Axl Rose is a freaking whiny-ass bitch" — I'm happy to be in the minority of people who seemingly have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, I think it's pretty awesome.

Because I support Axl Rose. And yes, I am aware that, in the past, I have called him "the creepy old guy with the Raiders jersey who lives on top of the hill" and compared him to Lil Wayne. And sure, I realize his recent, uh, output might not be on par with Guns' previous efforts (anyone can have a bad 20 years). But after reading his letter, none of those things matter. Or, if anything, they actually made it better for me. Because Axl Rose is a rock star. Maybe the last one standing. He is an anachronism and an enigma. There will never be another like him, and really, his missive to the Rock Hall is just further proof of all those points.

To wit: There are a lot of words in Rose's letter (more than 1,000 of them), none of which are "apology." This is because Axl never apologizes. Because he doesn't have to, and he doesn't care if that offends you. He also never allows himself to be backed into a corner — and everything from his unrelenting blood feud with Slash to the 15-year wait for Chinese Democracy is basically proof of this — and he intimates at several points in his letter that everyone from the HOF committee to his former bandmates was basically attempting to do just that. So rather than be intimidated, Rose just decided to walk away from the whole thing. As he writes, "No one's taking the ball and going home. ... From my perspective ... the ball's never been in our court."

It's easy to call Rose a jerk for doing this, but, really, he is a jerk. It's what makes him who he is and why he's still able to sell out arenas around the world. We've come to expect nothing less, and yet we're willing to vilify him for acting the way he always has.


In some bizarre way, by skipping the induction (and asking his name not be mentioned in absentia), Rose displays a supreme level of actual integrity. Unlike, say, Ozzy Osbourne, who previously asked that his band Black Sabbath no longer be considered for the Hall only to show up at the 2006 induction and call it an "achievement," Axl won't come crawling back. And unlike fellow 2006 inductees Blondie, he spared anyone the ugly onstage feud that surely would've erupted by simply saying, "No thanks." He does what he wants and only what he wants. And the same goes for that much-discussed GN'R reunion, which he shuts down in the letter because, really, it's "time to move on."

And that last quote should be taken to heart by all the Guns fans out there raging against Rose today. Because, really, it is time to move on. Move on from your misguided beliefs that Rose is ever going to change or suddenly have a moment of clarity. It's been, like, 20 years now, and he's never wavered from his original point: No reunion, not ever. Guns N' Roses are still a band and they still tour, and if you don't like it, then don't come out to the shows. Even though you probably still will.

So, sure, be angry with Axl today. Make claims of never listening to his music again (which would suppose he's ever going to make music again) and accuse him of putting himself before his fans. But don't take him to task for being the same person he's been for 25 years now, because, really, you wouldn't want him to change. Not for a reunion tour, not for an induction ceremony, not for anything. He will continue to blaze his own path whether you follow him or not. And I applaud him for doing so. He is Axl Rose, after all. He is rock and roll in an era where that phrase has increasingly less clout. We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall. It's about the only way we can sleep at night, knowing somewhere, Axl is watching over us all. And writing open letters to let us know he still cares.

Sincerely,
James Montgomery


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 12, 2012, 03:30:29 PM
From MTV:


An Open Letter To Axl Rose And Guns N' Roses Fans Everywhere
Our columnist comes out in support of the last remaining rock star after Axl's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame kiss-off.


By James Montgomery

 
To: W. Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

Greetings from New York City, which is approximately 490 miles from Cleveland, site of this weekend's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony and roughly 50 bazillion miles from whatever Bedouin caravan Mr. Rose is currently encamped with — though, to be honest, it feels much farther removed from both. Especially given the reaction most GN'R fans have had to Rose's open letter to the Hall of Fame, which he published Wednesday and which has subsequently turned him into the most hated man on the Internet.

Here's the thing (and, really, the reason I'm writing this letter): Despite the thousands of comments his letter has generated — which largely run the gamut from "YOU SUCK" to "Axl Rose is a freaking whiny-ass bitch" — I'm happy to be in the minority of people who seemingly have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, I think it's pretty awesome.

Because I support Axl Rose. And yes, I am aware that, in the past, I have called him "the creepy old guy with the Raiders jersey who lives on top of the hill" and compared him to Lil Wayne. And sure, I realize his recent, uh, output might not be on par with Guns' previous efforts (anyone can have a bad 20 years). But after reading his letter, none of those things matter. Or, if anything, they actually made it better for me. Because Axl Rose is a rock star. Maybe the last one standing. He is an anachronism and an enigma. There will never be another like him, and really, his missive to the Rock Hall is just further proof of all those points.

To wit: There are a lot of words in Rose's letter (more than 1,000 of them), none of which are "apology." This is because Axl never apologizes. Because he doesn't have to, and he doesn't care if that offends you. He also never allows himself to be backed into a corner — and everything from his unrelenting blood feud with Slash to the 15-year wait for Chinese Democracy is basically proof of this — and he intimates at several points in his letter that everyone from the HOF committee to his former bandmates was basically attempting to do just that. So rather than be intimidated, Rose just decided to walk away from the whole thing. As he writes, "No one's taking the ball and going home. ... From my perspective ... the ball's never been in our court."

It's easy to call Rose a jerk for doing this, but, really, he is a jerk. It's what makes him who he is and why he's still able to sell out arenas around the world. We've come to expect nothing less, and yet we're willing to vilify him for acting the way he always has.


In some bizarre way, by skipping the induction (and asking his name not be mentioned in absentia), Rose displays a supreme level of actual integrity. Unlike, say, Ozzy Osbourne, who previously asked that his band Black Sabbath no longer be considered for the Hall only to show up at the 2006 induction and call it an "achievement," Axl won't come crawling back. And unlike fellow 2006 inductees Blondie, he spared anyone the ugly onstage feud that surely would've erupted by simply saying, "No thanks." He does what he wants and only what he wants. And the same goes for that much-discussed GN'R reunion, which he shuts down in the letter because, really, it's "time to move on."

And that last quote should be taken to heart by all the Guns fans out there raging against Rose today. Because, really, it is time to move on. Move on from your misguided beliefs that Rose is ever going to change or suddenly have a moment of clarity. It's been, like, 20 years now, and he's never wavered from his original point: No reunion, not ever. Guns N' Roses are still a band and they still tour, and if you don't like it, then don't come out to the shows. Even though you probably still will.

So, sure, be angry with Axl today. Make claims of never listening to his music again (which would suppose he's ever going to make music again) and accuse him of putting himself before his fans. But don't take him to task for being the same person he's been for 25 years now, because, really, you wouldn't want him to change. Not for a reunion tour, not for an induction ceremony, not for anything. He will continue to blaze his own path whether you follow him or not. And I applaud him for doing so. He is Axl Rose, after all. He is rock and roll in an era where that phrase has increasingly less clout. We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall. It's about the only way we can sleep at night, knowing somewhere, Axl is watching over us all. And writing open letters to let us know he still cares.

Sincerely,
James Montgomery

Hence the genius of Axl letter.

I hope someone points Axl in the direction of this letter. I think he'll enjoy this one


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: schnoogans37 on April 12, 2012, 03:30:39 PM

During that time fans of Axl were left with no communication and had to make guesses on their own. Some booked trips from as far as Australia based on him talking about not wanting to ruin anyone's fun, being honored, and wanting to properly accept this honor. These are people, like myself, who support Axl, looked at this, and thought - "well I don't really give a shit about the HOF, but if Axl is honored and going there to accept - I will go and support him." I don't think anyone had any right to expect a reunion performance or anything, but the best information Axl had given any of his fans was that he was planning on attending to accept and that if we went - we would be able to be there to support him in what he considered to be an honor.

At the same time, I realize that one of the reasons we love Axl is for his unique Axl ways of dealing with the world. Axl comes with a lack of communication, last minute cancellations, and a VERY strong will. Anyone buying a ticket to anything related to Axl knows that anything can happen. I do think that, for his own sake, he could communicate a touch better with HIS fans (the people who support him through everything he has done - not just the classic GNR lineup) so that situations like a Chinese Democracy fan in Australia flying to Cleveland to show his support to Axl specifically - just do not happen. He doesn't owe us anything as fans, but he could look out for those of us who want to support him in the things he chooses to do and not do a bit better.

The backlash I have seen from casual fans and friends on this last minute decision has been strong (which Axl himself seemed to realize was going to be the case). This is particularly the case from casual fans I know that bought a ticket for this - not expecting a reunion - but hoping to see Axl in person, support him, and hear from him. I plan on having a blast this weekend. There is so much to look forward to with all of this, but I definitely enter the weekend with mixed feelings on how Axl handled this situation for his own fans and supporters. Surprised? Not at all. Disappointed in how this was handled? Yes.

Whilst I do feel some sympathy for anyone who has spent a lot of money booking flights to Cleveland in the hope of seeing Axl, I have to say that the evidence that he would attend was always flimsy at best. (To be honest, they'd have been better off buying a ticket to the UCAP shows.) With a situation such as this, anyone buying a ticket must have realised that there were no guarantees and so accepted responsibility for the decision they took in booking; regardless of whether or not direct communication from the band members was forthcoming.

I think that we've probably had a greater amount of communication with the present band than we ever did with previous line-ups - obviously current technology has definitely played its part in this. Axl has presented us with an explanation as to why he's made the decision he has and, in doing so, has made himself vulnerable to sections of the media who'll use it as another stick to beat him. Yet he did it, I believe, because he cares about the fans who've stuck with him and supported the new line-up and he is genuinely appreciative of our loyalty. I haven't seen any evidence that he's deliberately tried to mislead anyone over this situation and if fans are claiming this then I think they've been blinded by their own desires. Plans change and sometimes you just have to accept this and make the best of a situation and not look for someone to pin the blame on.

Case in point was in 92 when Axl was due to stand trial over the St Louis incident. Bear in mind that this was pre-internet and news was scarce and bloody difficult to come by. Here in the UK, Kerrang was almost the only source of rock news. (Now that's a scary thought!)  The media over here had hyped up the case to the point that they'd practically got him banged up for life before the trial had even started. Here I am your rabid GN'R fan thousands of miles away from the scene of the action, imagining all sorts of nightmare scenarios of Axl in prison or worse. I decide that I can't rely on biaised K journalism for fair reporting of the events so take it upon myself to book a trip to St Louis for the trial. Thinking all the while that it could be the last time I see him. Well, to cut a long story slightly shorter, I get there and the trial is postponed. There's no way I could afford to return later - this was a one-time option for me in those days. Obviously I was disappointed but when I found out the reasons why, I understood and tried to make the best of my time there. The point I'm trying to make, albeit in a long-winded way, is that I took responsibility for my actions and didn't start searching around for someone to blame. Which is, I feel, the opposite of how some of the fans you mention appear to be dealing with this and, at the risk of sounding like a grumpy old git, is an attitude that I feel is far too prevalent in today's society.

Handing soapbox over the anyone else who wants it now....  ;D


This is a thoughtful post.  Thanks.  I agree that there were no guarantees of him showing up, and that anyone making long distance plans to attend based on him being there was taking a bit of a gamble.  That said, given his reasons for not attending - I don't see any scenario where this would have worked.  Given that - he could have communicated to fans long ago that his attendance was up in the air - but when asked about attending he stated that he didn't want to be the one to ruin the fun and criticized others for making embarrassing situations out of receiving awards.  Axl never really says much of anything directly.  His letter yesterday offers far more questions than answers.  That was as close as we were gonna get to Axl saying "yes I'm going, no I'm not comfortable performing".  This was followed by the HOF saying he had told them he would come as well as Dizzy Reed saying that Axl was going to attend.  Axl could have sent out a quick "I haven't decided yet" tweet at any given time and potentially saved many of his own fans from wasting in some cases thousands of dollars to come and see him.

Again, Axl does not owe anyone anything - but there are things he could have done with minimal effort to minimize the potential negative impact on his fans who only wanted to go if he was going to be there to support him.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 12, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
But instead he refuses to recognise the era that made him what he is today. Disappointment is the only word I can use to describe it at the moment.


Neither is it an issue that the RNRHOF also refused to acknowledge that the band is active and didn't end when Izzy left.


It's ok to disrespect the present and the past 15 years, but not what happened 25 years ago.



/jarmo

I keep hearing this over and over. Why? How is inducting the original members somehow disrespecting the present?  Did I miss the press release where the HOF said that GnR ended in 1996? Did I miss the memo where the HOF said the new lineup sucks?  And where does the HOF "refuse to acknowledge that the band is active?"  Do they refuse to say the band is active right here on their site where they say the band is active and touring?  http://rockhall.com/inductees/guns-n-roses/bio/

Axl keeps implying that this whole HOF thing somehow takes away from what he's created with the awesome new lineup.  I just don't see it. He clearly believes that and it's his right to believe it but it's illogical.   If he simply said that he didn't want to share a stage with Slash again, it would've come across as a more realistic reason, in my opinion.  I feel bad for Duff who was really looking fwd to this and has managed to be very professional and civil to all former and current members throughout.  



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 03:34:36 PM
I'm not refusing to accept the shit that Axl's been through. All of the band members, both past and present have been through the mill with GN'R. But to not even accept or want to be included in something that honours the very foundations of everything that he has now... everything that he still fronts and stands for... well you know my thoughts.


And your thoughts are worth as much as the next guy's...  :)


As are yours. ;)



And I'm not disrespecting the present or the past 15 years. If I was, I wouldn't have spent hundreds on going to see the current band perform.


Didn't say you were. I'm saying it seems like it's ok to.

We honor this part of your history, but not that part.


It would be a totally different thing if the band has ceased to exist in 1993. But they didn't...

Can you at least admit that you can see why somebody might object to that way of thinking if it was their band being honored?



/jarmo

Oooh hang on... seems to me like it's ok for you to disrespect the past.  :o


And nobody's trying to say that GN'R haven't altered since 1993.... the HOF are simply trying to honour and place in history the legacy that started it all, that made the name, the sound, the voice so famous, that put GN'R on top spot and carried them through for so many years. Everyone knows that GN'R isn't Slash, Duff, Axl, etc anymore. But that's how the band started and no matter what, no matter how successful or unsuccessful the current line up may be, nothing will ever change the way it all began.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: schnoogans37 on April 12, 2012, 03:35:23 PM
That MTV letter is the best thing I have seen written on this.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 03:40:57 PM
I keep hearing this over and over. Why? How is inducting the original members somehow disrespecting the present?  Did I miss the press release where the HOF said that GnR ended in 1996? Did I miss the memo where the HOF said the new lineup sucks?  And where does the HOF "refuse to acknowledge that the band is active?"  Do they refuse to say the band is active right here on their site where they say the band is active and touring?  http://rockhall.com/inductees/guns-n-roses/bio/

Axl keeps implying that this whole HOF thing somehow takes away from what he's created with the awesome new lineup.  I just don't see it. He clearly believes that and it's his right to believe it but it's illogical.   If he simply said that he didn't want to share a stage with Slash again, it would've come across as a more realistic reason, in my opinion.  I feel bad for Duff who was really looking fwd to this and has managed to be very professional and civil to all former and current members throughout.  


All the talk about reuniting, all the talk about the old band makes it seem a bit like there's nothing else going on with the band at the moment. Like what's going on now isn't important. It can be disregarded and swept aside for the "important reunion".



You built something from the ground up, but all people wanna talk about what was in its place 20 years ago.

Now why would anybody be slightly insulted by that?




Oooh hang on... seems to me like it's ok for you to disrespect the past.  :o

Where did I do that?

Did I say the old band or any of the former members don't deserve the honor?

Show me the quote or shut up. :)



And nobody's trying to say that GN'R haven't altered since 1993.... the HOF are simply trying to honour and place in history the legacy that started it all, that made the name, the sound, the voice so famous, that put GN'R on top spot and carried them through for so many years. Everyone knows that GN'R isn't Slash, Duff, Axl, etc anymore. But that's how the band started and no matter what, no matter how successful or unsuccessful the current line up may be, nothing will ever change the way it all began.


So for GN'R they need to focus on the past and only a very specific moment in history, but for many other bands it's ok to also honor the current?

Can you explain why?




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 12, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
That MTV letter is the best thing I have seen written on this.

It is

Axl has turned the whole situation into something positive for the current line-up of GN'R. The timing and wording of his letter is probably the best piece of communication in recent GN'R history.

It has put fans of old GN'R on the backfoot.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 12, 2012, 03:46:52 PM
The way Axl has written the letter has made it difficult for people to criticise him

Look around... evidently not that difficult.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 03:48:57 PM
The way Axl has written the letter has made it difficult for people to criticise him

Look around... evidently not that difficult.


Oh come on.

You know damn well these people will never be happy.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 03:51:06 PM

Oooh hang on... seems to me like it's ok for you to disrespect the past.  :o

Where did I do that?

Did I say the old band or any of the former members don't deserve the honor?

Show me the quote or shut up. :)

Ok :)

We honor this part of your history, but not that part.

So go on, what's that part that you wont honor?



And nobody's trying to say that GN'R haven't altered since 1993.... the HOF are simply trying to honour and place in history the legacy that started it all, that made the name, the sound, the voice so famous, that put GN'R on top spot and carried them through for so many years. Everyone knows that GN'R isn't Slash, Duff, Axl, etc anymore. But that's how the band started and no matter what, no matter how successful or unsuccessful the current line up may be, nothing will ever change the way it all began.


So for GN'R they need to focus on the past and only a very specific moment in history, but for many other bands it's ok to also honor the current?

Can you explain why?


Err because the AFD & Illusions line-ups accomplished everything that this band is known and recognised for. What have the current band accomplished that resembles that? Seriously now? Maybe in 10 years they will be at that level.

GN'R are focusing plenty on their current goings on... they've been touring now for over 2 years and I do believe they released an album in 2008...? Correct me if I'm wrong. :-\


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 12, 2012, 03:53:59 PM
The way Axl has written the letter has made it difficult for people to criticise him

Look around... evidently not that difficult.


Oh come on.

You know damn well these people will never be happy.




/jarmo

I agree. There are some people here that beat the same drum daily, and we know who they are and what their opinions are.

But for MTV to write that letter, that is amazing. Ask any previous Guns manager about MTV, they never usually say anything positive about current GN'R.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 12, 2012, 03:54:56 PM

I am not sure why this is such a difficult concept to understand.  You think that everyone who here critiques Axl or says something favorably about older members is automatically anti-Axl/New GNR.  

No, I don't. But I know when I see misguided people make assumptions that they aren't interested in anything other than what they made up in their minds.
There's something ironic about so called hardcore fans being surprised by all this and acting all upset. Who told them that anything had changed? The media? The RNRHOF?
It's just business as usual. If it wasn't this letter, they'd be upset about something else. Because they aren't getting what they want.


I swear I would love to see the guidelines given to GNR employees.  Can you post it one day?

I guess this is yet another one of those things that only exist in fantasy land.

/jarmo
[/quote]


Why dont some people go and ask someone called C as Jarmo said? He is not with Gnr but he works in that Fantasy Land and he also has a contractual obligation to explain what is that , didnt get. Fantastical employees whom they will attend to the RNR hall of flame which concept you might understand one day, THIS DECADE & THE NEXT RELEASE cause the previous tours & releases didnt clearly work!

Fantasy or trick, what is it gonna be?  :D

DID YOU READ THE STATEMENT? Which concept of the statement you cannot get?  :D You want a disclaimer by an admin on a forum to analyze this to you that he is NOT representative? People who are employees in Fantasia land who want to plot and plan publicity stunts just to benefit whatever the hell that is they want to benefit from! I am NOT reffering to Axl's statement neither I twist his words, or GnR now! They are ALREADY KNOWN because they are ALREADY expressed. Maybe I can speak in BABYLONIAN so you can get the concept...or maybe I wont. EVER.  :D


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: volcano62 on April 12, 2012, 03:55:24 PM
Guns N' Roses are still a band and they still tour, and if you don't like it, then don't come out to the shows. Even though you probably still will.


Sincerely,
James Montgomery

Hahahaha this is sooo true.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 12, 2012, 03:59:06 PM

http://rockhall.com/inductees/guns-n-roses/bio/

While the revamped Guns n’ Roses hasn’t exhibited the earth-shaking impact of the prototype, a fascination with Rose continues to fill arenas on the band’s occasional tours.

Occasional tours  WTF!!  Bit more than frikin occasional, they make it sound like they play a few shows 3 times a yr   :rofl:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Ali on April 12, 2012, 03:59:40 PM
From MTV:


An Open Letter To Axl Rose And Guns N' Roses Fans Everywhere
Our columnist comes out in support of the last remaining rock star after Axl's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame kiss-off.


By James Montgomery

 
To: W. Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

Greetings from New York City, which is approximately 490 miles from Cleveland, site of this weekend's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony and roughly 50 bazillion miles from whatever Bedouin caravan Mr. Rose is currently encamped with — though, to be honest, it feels much farther removed from both. Especially given the reaction most GN'R fans have had to Rose's open letter to the Hall of Fame, which he published Wednesday and which has subsequently turned him into the most hated man on the Internet.

Here's the thing (and, really, the reason I'm writing this letter): Despite the thousands of comments his letter has generated — which largely run the gamut from "YOU SUCK" to "Axl Rose is a freaking whiny-ass bitch" — I'm happy to be in the minority of people who seemingly have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, I think it's pretty awesome.

Because I support Axl Rose. And yes, I am aware that, in the past, I have called him "the creepy old guy with the Raiders jersey who lives on top of the hill" and compared him to Lil Wayne. And sure, I realize his recent, uh, output might not be on par with Guns' previous efforts (anyone can have a bad 20 years). But after reading his letter, none of those things matter. Or, if anything, they actually made it better for me. Because Axl Rose is a rock star. Maybe the last one standing. He is an anachronism and an enigma. There will never be another like him, and really, his missive to the Rock Hall is just further proof of all those points.

To wit: There are a lot of words in Rose's letter (more than 1,000 of them), none of which are "apology." This is because Axl never apologizes. Because he doesn't have to, and he doesn't care if that offends you. He also never allows himself to be backed into a corner — and everything from his unrelenting blood feud with Slash to the 15-year wait for Chinese Democracy is basically proof of this — and he intimates at several points in his letter that everyone from the HOF committee to his former bandmates was basically attempting to do just that. So rather than be intimidated, Rose just decided to walk away from the whole thing. As he writes, "No one's taking the ball and going home. ... From my perspective ... the ball's never been in our court."

It's easy to call Rose a jerk for doing this, but, really, he is a jerk. It's what makes him who he is and why he's still able to sell out arenas around the world. We've come to expect nothing less, and yet we're willing to vilify him for acting the way he always has.


In some bizarre way, by skipping the induction (and asking his name not be mentioned in absentia), Rose displays a supreme level of actual integrity. Unlike, say, Ozzy Osbourne, who previously asked that his band Black Sabbath no longer be considered for the Hall only to show up at the 2006 induction and call it an "achievement," Axl won't come crawling back. And unlike fellow 2006 inductees Blondie, he spared anyone the ugly onstage feud that surely would've erupted by simply saying, "No thanks." He does what he wants and only what he wants. And the same goes for that much-discussed GN'R reunion, which he shuts down in the letter because, really, it's "time to move on."

And that last quote should be taken to heart by all the Guns fans out there raging against Rose today. Because, really, it is time to move on. Move on from your misguided beliefs that Rose is ever going to change or suddenly have a moment of clarity. It's been, like, 20 years now, and he's never wavered from his original point: No reunion, not ever. Guns N' Roses are still a band and they still tour, and if you don't like it, then don't come out to the shows. Even though you probably still will.

So, sure, be angry with Axl today. Make claims of never listening to his music again (which would suppose he's ever going to make music again) and accuse him of putting himself before his fans. But don't take him to task for being the same person he's been for 25 years now, because, really, you wouldn't want him to change. Not for a reunion tour, not for an induction ceremony, not for anything. He will continue to blaze his own path whether you follow him or not. And I applaud him for doing so. He is Axl Rose, after all. He is rock and roll in an era where that phrase has increasingly less clout. We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall. It's about the only way we can sleep at night, knowing somewhere, Axl is watching over us all. And writing open letters to let us know he still cares.

Sincerely,
James Montgomery

I'm very proud to say that I went to middle school and high school and college with James and grew up about 10 minutes from him.  Well written article!

Ali


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: volcano62 on April 12, 2012, 04:00:41 PM

http://rockhall.com/inductees/guns-n-roses/bio/

While the revamped Guns n’ Roses hasn’t exhibited the earth-shaking impact of the prototype, a fascination with Rose continues to fill arenas on the band’s occasional tours.

Occasional tours  WTF!!  Bit more than frikin occasional, they make it sound like they play a few shows 3 times a yr   :rofl:

Those cocksuckers are butthurt :hihi:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 04:02:17 PM
So go on, what's that part that you wont honor?

I'm suspecting you're trying to be funny.

It's not about me, it's about certain people and the answer is: Obviously anything that happened after 1991.






Err because the AFD & Illusions line-ups accomplished everything that this band is known and recognised for. What have the current band accomplished that resembles that? Seriously now? Maybe in 10 years they will be at that level.

GN'R are focusing plenty on their current goings on... they've been touring now for over 2 years and I do believe they released an album in 2008...? Correct me if I'm wrong. :-\


And are you saying the current guitar player in Red Hot Chili Peppers has achieved a lot?

And Robert Trujillo got inducted with Metallica in 2009. He had been in the band for about six years. Not exactly during the Black album era. Did St. Anger have such an impact on the music industry that it warrants his inclusion?

I'm sure he deserves it.



I just don't get the decision making process.





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Little EMO Annie on April 12, 2012, 04:03:11 PM
That MTV letter is the best thing I have seen written on this.

It is

Axl has turned the whole situation into something positive for the current line-up of GN'R. The timing and wording of his letter is probably the best piece of communication in recent GN'R history.

It has put fans of old GN'R on the backfoot.

I totally agree. Winston Churchill put it best:

You have enemies? Good. That means you have stood up for something, sometime in your life.

Way to go Axl!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 12, 2012, 04:06:08 PM
From MTV:


An Open Letter To Axl Rose And Guns N' Roses Fans Everywhere
Our columnist comes out in support of the last remaining rock star after Axl's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame kiss-off.


By James Montgomery

 
To: W. Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

Greetings from New York City, which is approximately 490 miles from Cleveland, site of this weekend's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony and roughly 50 bazillion miles from whatever Bedouin caravan Mr. Rose is currently encamped with — though, to be honest, it feels much farther removed from both. Especially given the reaction most GN'R fans have had to Rose's open letter to the Hall of Fame, which he published Wednesday and which has subsequently turned him into the most hated man on the Internet.

Here's the thing (and, really, the reason I'm writing this letter): Despite the thousands of comments his letter has generated — which largely run the gamut from "YOU SUCK" to "Axl Rose is a freaking whiny-ass bitch" — I'm happy to be in the minority of people who seemingly have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, I think it's pretty awesome.

Because I support Axl Rose. And yes, I am aware that, in the past, I have called him "the creepy old guy with the Raiders jersey who lives on top of the hill" and compared him to Lil Wayne. And sure, I realize his recent, uh, output might not be on par with Guns' previous efforts (anyone can have a bad 20 years). But after reading his letter, none of those things matter. Or, if anything, they actually made it better for me. Because Axl Rose is a rock star. Maybe the last one standing. He is an anachronism and an enigma. There will never be another like him, and really, his missive to the Rock Hall is just further proof of all those points.

To wit: There are a lot of words in Rose's letter (more than 1,000 of them), none of which are "apology." This is because Axl never apologizes. Because he doesn't have to, and he doesn't care if that offends you. He also never allows himself to be backed into a corner — and everything from his unrelenting blood feud with Slash to the 15-year wait for Chinese Democracy is basically proof of this — and he intimates at several points in his letter that everyone from the HOF committee to his former bandmates was basically attempting to do just that. So rather than be intimidated, Rose just decided to walk away from the whole thing. As he writes, "No one's taking the ball and going home. ... From my perspective ... the ball's never been in our court."

It's easy to call Rose a jerk for doing this, but, really, he is a jerk. It's what makes him who he is and why he's still able to sell out arenas around the world. We've come to expect nothing less, and yet we're willing to vilify him for acting the way he always has.


In some bizarre way, by skipping the induction (and asking his name not be mentioned in absentia), Rose displays a supreme level of actual integrity. Unlike, say, Ozzy Osbourne, who previously asked that his band Black Sabbath no longer be considered for the Hall only to show up at the 2006 induction and call it an "achievement," Axl won't come crawling back. And unlike fellow 2006 inductees Blondie, he spared anyone the ugly onstage feud that surely would've erupted by simply saying, "No thanks." He does what he wants and only what he wants. And the same goes for that much-discussed GN'R reunion, which he shuts down in the letter because, really, it's "time to move on."

And that last quote should be taken to heart by all the Guns fans out there raging against Rose today. Because, really, it is time to move on. Move on from your misguided beliefs that Rose is ever going to change or suddenly have a moment of clarity. It's been, like, 20 years now, and he's never wavered from his original point: No reunion, not ever. Guns N' Roses are still a band and they still tour, and if you don't like it, then don't come out to the shows. Even though you probably still will.

So, sure, be angry with Axl today. Make claims of never listening to his music again (which would suppose he's ever going to make music again) and accuse him of putting himself before his fans. But don't take him to task for being the same person he's been for 25 years now, because, really, you wouldn't want him to change. Not for a reunion tour, not for an induction ceremony, not for anything. He will continue to blaze his own path whether you follow him or not. And I applaud him for doing so. He is Axl Rose, after all. He is rock and roll in an era where that phrase has increasingly less clout. We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall. It's about the only way we can sleep at night, knowing somewhere, Axl is watching over us all. And writing open letters to let us know he still cares.

Sincerely,
James Montgomery

I'm very proud to say that I went to middle school and high school and college with James and grew up about 10 minutes from him.  Well written article!

Ali

The world is watching and analysing.

It is a perfect reaction, to what has become a perfect storm  :peace:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 04:07:43 PM
So go on, what's that part that you wont honor?

I'm suspecting you're trying to be funny.

It's not about me, it's about certain people and the answer is: Obviously anything that happened after 1991.


If I was trying to be funny I'd have told a joke. You said we.... that signifies that you include yourself in that.





Err because the AFD & Illusions line-ups accomplished everything that this band is known and recognised for. What have the current band accomplished that resembles that? Seriously now? Maybe in 10 years they will be at that level.

GN'R are focusing plenty on their current goings on... they've been touring now for over 2 years and I do believe they released an album in 2008...? Correct me if I'm wrong. :-\


And are you saying the current guitar player in Red Hot Chili Peppers has achieved a lot?

And Robert Trujillo got inducted with Metallica in 2009. He had been in the band for about six years. Not exactly during the Black album era.


Not talking about other bands, nor am I intersted in who they have or have not inducted. I'm talking about GN'R. ;)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ARX on April 12, 2012, 04:09:16 PM
From MTV:


An Open Letter To Axl Rose And Guns N' Roses Fans Everywhere
Our columnist comes out in support of the last remaining rock star after Axl's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame kiss-off.


By James Montgomery

 
To: W. Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

Greetings from New York City, which is approximately 490 miles from Cleveland, site of this weekend's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony and roughly 50 bazillion miles from whatever Bedouin caravan Mr. Rose is currently encamped with — though, to be honest, it feels much farther removed from both. Especially given the reaction most GN'R fans have had to Rose's open letter to the Hall of Fame, which he published Wednesday and which has subsequently turned him into the most hated man on the Internet.

Here's the thing (and, really, the reason I'm writing this letter): Despite the thousands of comments his letter has generated — which largely run the gamut from "YOU SUCK" to "Axl Rose is a freaking whiny-ass bitch" — I'm happy to be in the minority of people who seemingly have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, I think it's pretty awesome.

Because I support Axl Rose. And yes, I am aware that, in the past, I have called him "the creepy old guy with the Raiders jersey who lives on top of the hill" and compared him to Lil Wayne. And sure, I realize his recent, uh, output might not be on par with Guns' previous efforts (anyone can have a bad 20 years). But after reading his letter, none of those things matter. Or, if anything, they actually made it better for me. Because Axl Rose is a rock star. Maybe the last one standing. He is an anachronism and an enigma. There will never be another like him, and really, his missive to the Rock Hall is just further proof of all those points.

To wit: There are a lot of words in Rose's letter (more than 1,000 of them), none of which are "apology." This is because Axl never apologizes. Because he doesn't have to, and he doesn't care if that offends you. He also never allows himself to be backed into a corner — and everything from his unrelenting blood feud with Slash to the 15-year wait for Chinese Democracy is basically proof of this — and he intimates at several points in his letter that everyone from the HOF committee to his former bandmates was basically attempting to do just that. So rather than be intimidated, Rose just decided to walk away from the whole thing. As he writes, "No one's taking the ball and going home. ... From my perspective ... the ball's never been in our court."

It's easy to call Rose a jerk for doing this, but, really, he is a jerk. It's what makes him who he is and why he's still able to sell out arenas around the world. We've come to expect nothing less, and yet we're willing to vilify him for acting the way he always has.


In some bizarre way, by skipping the induction (and asking his name not be mentioned in absentia), Rose displays a supreme level of actual integrity. Unlike, say, Ozzy Osbourne, who previously asked that his band Black Sabbath no longer be considered for the Hall only to show up at the 2006 induction and call it an "achievement," Axl won't come crawling back. And unlike fellow 2006 inductees Blondie, he spared anyone the ugly onstage feud that surely would've erupted by simply saying, "No thanks." He does what he wants and only what he wants. And the same goes for that much-discussed GN'R reunion, which he shuts down in the letter because, really, it's "time to move on."

And that last quote should be taken to heart by all the Guns fans out there raging against Rose today. Because, really, it is time to move on. Move on from your misguided beliefs that Rose is ever going to change or suddenly have a moment of clarity. It's been, like, 20 years now, and he's never wavered from his original point: No reunion, not ever. Guns N' Roses are still a band and they still tour, and if you don't like it, then don't come out to the shows. Even though you probably still will.

So, sure, be angry with Axl today. Make claims of never listening to his music again (which would suppose he's ever going to make music again) and accuse him of putting himself before his fans. But don't take him to task for being the same person he's been for 25 years now, because, really, you wouldn't want him to change. Not for a reunion tour, not for an induction ceremony, not for anything. He will continue to blaze his own path whether you follow him or not. And I applaud him for doing so. He is Axl Rose, after all. He is rock and roll in an era where that phrase has increasingly less clout. We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall. It's about the only way we can sleep at night, knowing somewhere, Axl is watching over us all. And writing open letters to let us know he still cares.

Sincerely,
James Montgomery

what is said here is quite true. what so much of us love Axl for can very well be the same reason he is hated. Axl is Axl and right or wrong that will not change. He does what he wants and on his terms. I respect that, dont always like it but respect it


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: RancidPunx on April 12, 2012, 04:10:35 PM
This Montgomery fella would have been ripped apart on here previously for some of the things he said about Axl but now he is loved all of a sudden ???


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 12, 2012, 04:14:49 PM
This Montgomery fella would have been ripped apart on here previously for some of the things he said about Axl but now he is loved all of a sudden ???


Not sure he is loved quite yet, but his letter is an amazing turnabout by MTV.

Never thought I'd see that in a million years


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 04:17:05 PM
You said we.... that signifies that you include yourself in that.

Ok, sorry for not being clearer.

I'm talking about people who decided who gets inducted and who doesn't.

I'm talking about those who are upset that Axl doesn't attend.

So the way they are thinking would be "We honor this line up and this point in time, but not that one". And that seems to be ok.




Not talking about other bands, nor am I intersted in who they have or have not inducted. I'm talking about GN'R. ;)


And I'm talking about GN'R as well, but offering you examples on why some think it's weird that in some cases the present isn't ignored by inducting the latest member to join to band. Who wasn't in the band during the band's most popular era.

So, please, read it again, and get back to me instead of just ignoring it because it's easier for you.  : ok:





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Ali on April 12, 2012, 04:17:49 PM
From MTV:


An Open Letter To Axl Rose And Guns N' Roses Fans Everywhere
Our columnist comes out in support of the last remaining rock star after Axl's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame kiss-off.


By James Montgomery

 
To: W. Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

Greetings from New York City, which is approximately 490 miles from Cleveland, site of this weekend's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony and roughly 50 bazillion miles from whatever Bedouin caravan Mr. Rose is currently encamped with — though, to be honest, it feels much farther removed from both. Especially given the reaction most GN'R fans have had to Rose's open letter to the Hall of Fame, which he published Wednesday and which has subsequently turned him into the most hated man on the Internet.

Here's the thing (and, really, the reason I'm writing this letter): Despite the thousands of comments his letter has generated — which largely run the gamut from "YOU SUCK" to "Axl Rose is a freaking whiny-ass bitch" — I'm happy to be in the minority of people who seemingly have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, I think it's pretty awesome.

Because I support Axl Rose. And yes, I am aware that, in the past, I have called him "the creepy old guy with the Raiders jersey who lives on top of the hill" and compared him to Lil Wayne. And sure, I realize his recent, uh, output might not be on par with Guns' previous efforts (anyone can have a bad 20 years). But after reading his letter, none of those things matter. Or, if anything, they actually made it better for me. Because Axl Rose is a rock star. Maybe the last one standing. He is an anachronism and an enigma. There will never be another like him, and really, his missive to the Rock Hall is just further proof of all those points.

To wit: There are a lot of words in Rose's letter (more than 1,000 of them), none of which are "apology." This is because Axl never apologizes. Because he doesn't have to, and he doesn't care if that offends you. He also never allows himself to be backed into a corner — and everything from his unrelenting blood feud with Slash to the 15-year wait for Chinese Democracy is basically proof of this — and he intimates at several points in his letter that everyone from the HOF committee to his former bandmates was basically attempting to do just that. So rather than be intimidated, Rose just decided to walk away from the whole thing. As he writes, "No one's taking the ball and going home. ... From my perspective ... the ball's never been in our court."

It's easy to call Rose a jerk for doing this, but, really, he is a jerk. It's what makes him who he is and why he's still able to sell out arenas around the world. We've come to expect nothing less, and yet we're willing to vilify him for acting the way he always has.


In some bizarre way, by skipping the induction (and asking his name not be mentioned in absentia), Rose displays a supreme level of actual integrity. Unlike, say, Ozzy Osbourne, who previously asked that his band Black Sabbath no longer be considered for the Hall only to show up at the 2006 induction and call it an "achievement," Axl won't come crawling back. And unlike fellow 2006 inductees Blondie, he spared anyone the ugly onstage feud that surely would've erupted by simply saying, "No thanks." He does what he wants and only what he wants. And the same goes for that much-discussed GN'R reunion, which he shuts down in the letter because, really, it's "time to move on."

And that last quote should be taken to heart by all the Guns fans out there raging against Rose today. Because, really, it is time to move on. Move on from your misguided beliefs that Rose is ever going to change or suddenly have a moment of clarity. It's been, like, 20 years now, and he's never wavered from his original point: No reunion, not ever. Guns N' Roses are still a band and they still tour, and if you don't like it, then don't come out to the shows. Even though you probably still will.

So, sure, be angry with Axl today. Make claims of never listening to his music again (which would suppose he's ever going to make music again) and accuse him of putting himself before his fans. But don't take him to task for being the same person he's been for 25 years now, because, really, you wouldn't want him to change. Not for a reunion tour, not for an induction ceremony, not for anything. He will continue to blaze his own path whether you follow him or not. And I applaud him for doing so. He is Axl Rose, after all. He is rock and roll in an era where that phrase has increasingly less clout. We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall. It's about the only way we can sleep at night, knowing somewhere, Axl is watching over us all. And writing open letters to let us know he still cares.

Sincerely,
James Montgomery

I'm very proud to say that I went to middle school and high school and college with James and grew up about 10 minutes from him.  Well written article!

Ali

The world is watching and analysing.

It is a perfect reaction, to what has become a perfect storm  :peace:

I agree.  I'm proud of my old friend, and surprised, too.

Ali


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 12, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
Unless Axl is the only TARGET cause - who hasnt got anything better to do but keep paying attention to Axl?
or what Axl eats!
where did Axl go?
what Axl said?
where axl went? Did you see Axl?
why axl didnt do something or did something else? What did he do? Did you understand?
what axl is going to do next?
why you didnt get what you wanted from Axl?
When axl is going to get back?
why axl has not given you what you wanted?
Hey, I got a better idea! Lets ambush axl and see what axl will do/say/act/sing/blink blink!!
let take what Axl said and twist it!
lets take what axl said and twist it! sell it, copy it & pass it to a friend!

Woaaaaah! This must mean W.A.R.!!! Rebecca, get the tanks out!!  :D
( Who is Rebecca? You dont know!! Maybe its Axl fault!!!!)

Maybe some ppl can understand that Axl is a human too. Maybe they wont!  
Maybe he is got somethign better to do!
Maybe he hasnt!
Maybe he wanted time out!
Maybe he didnt!
Let him HAVE HIS OWN GODDAMN OPINION!!  :D


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Aero on April 12, 2012, 04:26:22 PM
You built something from the ground up, but all people wanna talk about what was in its place 20 years ago.

Now why would anybody be slightly insulted by that?

I do not share, but I believe it's because the band is still playing the songs that the 20 years ago lineup has created.

Current lineup opens with jungle next to easy next to brownstone... closes with paradise city... the "highlight" of the last tour was civil war and estranged after 17 years...

Maybe it's time to play new songs and play less AFD songs... I'd love to see Ashba playing his solos and riffs, not slash's ones...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 12, 2012, 04:28:02 PM
From MTV:


An Open Letter To Axl Rose And Guns N' Roses Fans Everywhere
Our columnist comes out in support of the last remaining rock star after Axl's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame kiss-off.


By James Montgomery

 
To: W. Axl Rose, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

Greetings from New York City, which is approximately 490 miles from Cleveland, site of this weekend's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony and roughly 50 bazillion miles from whatever Bedouin caravan Mr. Rose is currently encamped with — though, to be honest, it feels much farther removed from both. Especially given the reaction most GN'R fans have had to Rose's open letter to the Hall of Fame, which he published Wednesday and which has subsequently turned him into the most hated man on the Internet.

Here's the thing (and, really, the reason I'm writing this letter): Despite the thousands of comments his letter has generated — which largely run the gamut from "YOU SUCK" to "Axl Rose is a freaking whiny-ass bitch" — I'm happy to be in the minority of people who seemingly have no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, I think it's pretty awesome.

Because I support Axl Rose. And yes, I am aware that, in the past, I have called him "the creepy old guy with the Raiders jersey who lives on top of the hill" and compared him to Lil Wayne. And sure, I realize his recent, uh, output might not be on par with Guns' previous efforts (anyone can have a bad 20 years). But after reading his letter, none of those things matter. Or, if anything, they actually made it better for me. Because Axl Rose is a rock star. Maybe the last one standing. He is an anachronism and an enigma. There will never be another like him, and really, his missive to the Rock Hall is just further proof of all those points.

To wit: There are a lot of words in Rose's letter (more than 1,000 of them), none of which are "apology." This is because Axl never apologizes. Because he doesn't have to, and he doesn't care if that offends you. He also never allows himself to be backed into a corner — and everything from his unrelenting blood feud with Slash to the 15-year wait for Chinese Democracy is basically proof of this — and he intimates at several points in his letter that everyone from the HOF committee to his former bandmates was basically attempting to do just that. So rather than be intimidated, Rose just decided to walk away from the whole thing. As he writes, "No one's taking the ball and going home. ... From my perspective ... the ball's never been in our court."

It's easy to call Rose a jerk for doing this, but, really, he is a jerk. It's what makes him who he is and why he's still able to sell out arenas around the world. We've come to expect nothing less, and yet we're willing to vilify him for acting the way he always has.


In some bizarre way, by skipping the induction (and asking his name not be mentioned in absentia), Rose displays a supreme level of actual integrity. Unlike, say, Ozzy Osbourne, who previously asked that his band Black Sabbath no longer be considered for the Hall only to show up at the 2006 induction and call it an "achievement," Axl won't come crawling back. And unlike fellow 2006 inductees Blondie, he spared anyone the ugly onstage feud that surely would've erupted by simply saying, "No thanks." He does what he wants and only what he wants. And the same goes for that much-discussed GN'R reunion, which he shuts down in the letter because, really, it's "time to move on."

And that last quote should be taken to heart by all the Guns fans out there raging against Rose today. Because, really, it is time to move on. Move on from your misguided beliefs that Rose is ever going to change or suddenly have a moment of clarity. It's been, like, 20 years now, and he's never wavered from his original point: No reunion, not ever. Guns N' Roses are still a band and they still tour, and if you don't like it, then don't come out to the shows. Even though you probably still will.

So, sure, be angry with Axl today. Make claims of never listening to his music again (which would suppose he's ever going to make music again) and accuse him of putting himself before his fans. But don't take him to task for being the same person he's been for 25 years now, because, really, you wouldn't want him to change. Not for a reunion tour, not for an induction ceremony, not for anything. He will continue to blaze his own path whether you follow him or not. And I applaud him for doing so. He is Axl Rose, after all. He is rock and roll in an era where that phrase has increasingly less clout. We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall. It's about the only way we can sleep at night, knowing somewhere, Axl is watching over us all. And writing open letters to let us know he still cares.

Sincerely,
James Montgomery

I'm very proud to say that I went to middle school and high school and college with James and grew up about 10 minutes from him.  Well written article!

Ali

The world is watching and analysing.

It is a perfect reaction, to what has become a perfect storm  :peace:

I agree.  I'm proud of my old friend, and surprised, too.

Ali

It is the greatest response, so far, to the best communication by Axl Rose.

It is a magical moment in GN'R's history.

I know it is not to everyone's palette, but Axl has never been clearer about his current thoughts on GN'R, both past and present.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 04:29:40 PM

And I'm talking about GN'R as well, but offering you examples on why some think it's weird that in some cases the present isn't ignored by inducting the latest member to join to band. Who wasn't in the band during the band's most popular era.

So, please, read it again, and get back to me instead of just ignoring it because it's easier for you.  : ok:


I'm not ignoring what you said. As much as I like RHCP and Metallica, I really don't care who they have, or indeed have not inducted. If you have beef with why they had current members inducted, maybe you should take it up with the HOF.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 12, 2012, 04:30:02 PM
Unless Axl is the only TARGET cause - who hasnt got anything better to do but keep paying attention to Axl?
or what Axl eats!
where did Axl go?
what Axl said?
where axl went? Did you see Axl?
why axl didnt do something or did something else? What did he do? Did you understand?
what axl is going to do next?
why you didnt get what you wanted from Axl?
When axl is going to get back?
why axl has not given you what you wanted?
Hey, I got a better idea! Lets ambush axl and see what axl will do/say/act/sing/blink blink!!
let take what Axl said and twist it!
lets take what axl said and twist it! sell it, copy it & pass it to a friend!

Woaaaaah! This must mean W.A.R.!!! Rebecca, get the tanks out!!  :D
( Who is Rebecca? You dont know!! Maybe its Axl fault!!!!)

Maybe some ppl can understand that Axl is a human too. Maybe they wont!  
Maybe he is got somethign better to do!
Maybe he hasnt!
Maybe he wanted time out!
Maybe he didnt!
Let him HAVE HIS OWN GODDAMN OPINION!!  :D

You remind me of horsey. Not in a good way.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: liesl9 on April 12, 2012, 04:30:43 PM
This topic has convinced me to emerge from lurkerdom...I don't always blindly support what Axl, or any other musician, does. I do support him here.

I'm wondering if the decision was made NOW because Axl and his camp had been trying to puzzle out a way to make it work. When the announcement first came out it seemed as though it was possible that he would attend the ceremony, but since then there's been so much media speculation and sniping. It could be that it took this long to really figure out that there wasn't going to be a way to do it.

What has been said above is true: Axl was damned if he did show up and damned if he didn't. What would have happened if he had been there? A meltdown from Adler onstage, as he pleaded with Axl to sing? Axl sitting there with Duff and Dizzy, watching uncomfortably as Adler played to the 'Appetite' CD?  The press making snide comments if Axl stood onstage with Slash and didn't play or speak to him; or the press making snide comments if Axl refused to stand with Slash? All the original members awkwardly making comments that ignored the other members? What? It was not going to be pretty, and the only ones who would win would be the RRHoF and the media outlets who live for conflict.

There will always be those who stump for a reunion, but it would have ramped up if Axl had chosen to stand or play with the other Appetite members. Adler's been desperate for a reunion for years, and despite what he says, it IS about the money with him...unlike Slash, Duff, Izzy or Matt, he hasn't been able to carve out any sort of lucrative career for himself. His resume since 1990 is basically a) taking drugs; b) appearing on a reality show about drugs and making a fool of himself; c) working with a band which essentially does covers of Guns N' Roses songs with a few originals thrown in. Of course he wants a reunion. There's nothing else he's going to to do.

Anyway, if Axl had been there, you know what the next line would have been: "look, they're OK standing onstage together. They could play a concert. Just one...oh look, they did one concert. They could do two more. Oh look, why not do a tour and get the AfD Guns N' Roses back together permanently?"

Sometimes the best way to avoid conflict is to get out of the conflict zone. Whatever Axl did here, he was going to lose, so he took the way that worked best for him and his band. I can respect that. He's a human being. He has a right to look out for himself and his current interests first.

What does he owe the fans here? Nothing, actually. He's letting them know he won't be there; that's a nice courtesy. The only thing a musician EVER owes the fans is putting on a good show when they do concerts, and Axl hasn't slacked there. The man is 50 and he still does 3 hour concerts, for God's sake.

As for the RRHoF, they've already garnered more money, publicity and press from this than they have in years. They aren't the losers. They profit from this; Guns N' Roses (in ANY incarnation) does not. People aren't going to pick up AfD, the Illusions or ChineseD based on the fact that GnR is a Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame band. They will pick up the CDs because they like the music.

People have turned down awards and honors before, from Oscar nominations to Olympic medals. It's their prerogative. If someone feels so strongly that they don't want to accept an honor, it's their choice. It doesn't harm anyone else.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Shoco on April 12, 2012, 04:33:52 PM
cant say im surprised, could have made this decision weeks ago instead of a couple of days before it

go to the show, collect the award, say thanks, pose for a picture, job done

have very little respect left for this man


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 04:36:16 PM
I'm not ignoring what you said. As much as I like RHCP and Metallica, I really don't care who they have, or indeed have not inducted. If you have beef with why they had current members inducted, maybe you should take it up with the HOF.


You don't care how others bands were treated, but you feel disappointed that Axl won't show up at an event that he feels doesn't welcome him.

You claim Axl doesn't acknowledge the era that made him what he is today.
You don't stop growing as a person one day. Are you saying nothing has happened to Axl since the old band?



So in other words, you just wanna feel disappointed and have no interest in trying to understand why Axl made his decision and how situations have been handled in the past by the RNRHOF?




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 04:41:23 PM
I'm not ignoring what you said. As much as I like RHCP and Metallica, I really don't care who they have, or indeed have not inducted. If you have beef with why they had current members inducted, maybe you should take it up with the HOF.


You don't care how others bands were treated, but you feel disappointed that Axl won't show up at an event that he feels doesn't welcome him.

So in other words, you just wanna feel disappointed and have no interest in trying to understand why Axl made his decision and how situations have been handled in the past by the RNRHOF?




/jarmo

How can I put it more simple.... No I don't give a shit about other bands.

And yes I feel disappointed that Axl hasn't the stones to show up and face the other members. But hey that's just my opinion and to be quite honest I wasn't expecting the HOF to go without incident.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 04:47:57 PM
How can I put it more simple.... No I don't give a shit about other bands.

Of course you don't. It would require some thinking. It's easy to disregard everything and just go on with the same shit.




According to your original post "he refuses to recognise the era that made him what he is today."

Are you saying he's done nothing since? Is the same true for you too? Whatever you did 25 years ago, if you were born then, is what made you what you are today. Nothing else matters?



Maybe it's not your accomplishments what make you what you are, maybe it's the way you do them or maybe it's the things you do that nobody else knows about that makes you what you are?

Maybe a person isn't defined by the success he/she had, but by how they handled the truly tough times in between.



But according to you, all Axl is, was thanks to what happened between 1987 and 1991.

Somewhat disrespectful in my opinion.



Yes, many of us wouldn't be fans if it wasn't for that particular era, but it still doesn't mean you have to ignore what happened after.


/jarmo



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Shoco on April 12, 2012, 04:52:02 PM
How can I put it more simple.... No I don't give a shit about other bands.

Of course you don't. It would require some thinking. It's easy to disregard everything and just go on with the same shit.




According to your original post "he refuses to recognise the era that made him what he is today."

Are you saying he's done nothing since? Is the same true for you too? Whatever you did 25 years ago, if you were born then, is what made you what you are today. Nothing else matters?



Maybe it's not your accomplishments what make you what you are, maybe it's the way you do them or maybe it's the things you do that nobody else knows about that makes you what you are?

Maybe a person isn't defined by the success he/she had, but by how they handled the truly tough times in between.



But according to you, all Axl is, was thanks to what happened between 1987 and 1991.

Somewhat disrespectful in my opinion.



/jarmo



hes been inducted for who and what he was 25 years ago, not for who and he is now


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Yesterday on April 12, 2012, 04:55:52 PM
Axl may do as he wants, just like the rest of us.  He thought about and then voiced his opinion.  We have to live our own lives.  We are fans of Guns, old and new.  I am happy Guns is being inducted but other than that, my opinion of Guns n' Roses and Axl will not change because he isn't attending.  The last true rock star in my opinion.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 12, 2012, 04:56:39 PM
How can I put it more simple.... No I don't give a shit about other bands.

Of course you don't. It would require some thinking. It's easy to disregard everything and just go on with the same shit.




According to your original post "he refuses to recognise the era that made him what he is today."

Are you saying he's done nothing since? Is the same true for you too? Whatever you did 25 years ago, if you were born then, is what made you what you are today. Nothing else matters?



Maybe it's not your accomplishments what make you what you are, maybe it's the way you do them or maybe it's the things you do that nobody else knows about that makes you what you are?

Maybe a person isn't defined by the success he/she had, but by how they handled the truly tough times in between.



But according to you, all Axl is, was thanks to what happened between 1987 and 1991.

Somewhat disrespectful in my opinion.



/jarmo



hes been inducted for who and what he was 25 years ago, not for who and he is now

Axl Rose - Nominee for RHOF 2013 Lifetime acheivement award  : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 04:57:05 PM
hes been inducted for who and what he was 25 years ago, not for who and he is now

But he's still the same.

It's pretty obvious for anybody who can read.


We keep going round in circles because so many seem to have selective reading capabilities.


The RNRHOF has decided it's up to them to decide what people associated with the band are important and who's not.

Now, everybody is entitled to have their opinion on that, but don't get all angry and upset if people who kept the band going disagree with you.





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 05:04:37 PM
How can I put it more simple.... No I don't give a shit about other bands.

Of course you don't. It would require some thinking. It's easy to disregard everything and just go on with the same shit.


No not that at all... just not interested.... if they were to have inducted all of current the current band, I'd give the same opinion on other bands too.



According to your original post "he refuses to recognise the era that made him what he is today."

Are you saying he's done nothing since? Is the same true for you too? Whatever you did 25 years ago, if you were born then, is what made you what you are today. Nothing else matters?


No I'm not saying he hasn't done anything since, because we all know that he has. I'm saying he is refusing to acknowledge the period in time in which he made a name for himself. And yes I was born 25 years ago.




But according to you, all Axl is, was thanks to what happened between 1987 and 1991.

Somewhat disrespectful in my opinion.


The period of 1985 - 1993 made Axl what he is today. Post '93 he went into hiatus.... his reappearance since the early millennium hasn't really reached the heights that he did back then.

The minute anybody questions something about Axl or his band, you feel the need to jump in and criticize it. Somewhat disrespectful in my opinion.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Aero on April 12, 2012, 05:07:47 PM
Interesting facts about life
  • Your divorced parents won't marry again. They still love you.
  • Your died pet won't resurrect. Believe me, he loved you!!!
  • Christina Aguilera won't be thin again... Anyways I love her!!!
  • Axl Rose Has a history with old gnr and doesn't want to face them. Anyways Axl still loving you!!!

Respect the man... I am preety sure that some of you wants to see them hugged and crying together after paradise city... But that won't happen.

Axl didn't forget your wishes, and wrote a public open honest letter to all of you. All he want is to play rock and roll with the people he likes to be with.

I fully support him  :love:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 12, 2012, 05:09:45 PM
Hypothetical Question to all those who love Axl's letter and decision not to appear and who were anti-reunion:

What if Axl had instead written that he was showing up and would play 2 songs with the original members?

My guess is that every one of you would be praising his decision, saying how classy it was, and saying how excited you were to see the performance.  It's all hindsight now anyway.  Just asking the question.




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 12, 2012, 05:10:19 PM
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I really dont know where that ball will fall  :rofl:




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: bolton on April 12, 2012, 05:10:28 PM
Well Axl is the man who lives in reality,and some of you guys still live in pasz.Band who is nominated in RHOF died in 1993.I like old band,but this band dief,but lot of people live in past.Now,we have new band,new great guys with Axl on the top.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: norway on April 12, 2012, 05:10:51 PM

Aaand thanks Rockn'Roll hall of fame for putting rockmusic back 20 years. :wave: *sarcasm*

For those who say – it’s just for the fans. I disagree.   Diehard fans, who have been following the band from day one, have Axl’s best interest at heart.  If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be buying his records, attending his concerts, buying band merch, and posting on forums for years.  And yes, many wanted to share this incredible milestone with Axl by watching him accept this well-deserved award.  Sing or not sing – that’s his choice. But at least show up on stage to accept the award in front of his peers and fans.

GNR was Axl's baby – so why wouldn’t he want to be there to accept this highly-coveted award for his talent and influence?  It makes no sense - and may be a decision he lives to regret later.

Peace.

Where is Buckethead? ???

Are you aware of what certain songs and musicians represents in the rockhistory?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 12, 2012, 05:11:31 PM

Axl may use too many words, and talk like someone who has spent a little too long in therapy sometimes, but this is a decision that commands respect for the courage to stand up to others expectations and the integrity that it brings.



Without the current band there would be no GNR. No tour. No records. Nothing. The current lineup have kept the GNR vision and flame burning. Axl has shown integrity and strength by refusing to do what is expected of him, and by standing by his band which is loyal and strong. They may not have been there at the start - show me one band that has had the same lineup in 30 years apart from U2 - but this band is here now and keeping the GNR name and legacy alive and doing a damn good job of it. To only induct the 1987-93 lineup would be an insult to those who have kept GNR alive since then.

In my opinion the band could have ended in 1993 & they still would have been inducted into the R&RHOF. Yes, they are keeping the legacy alive for new fans to enjoy the wonderful music that was created 20+ years ago. That is my point. the correct members are being inducted. To be truthfully honest I feel Matt Sorum & Dizzy are more important to Guns than Adler. If Guns would have flamed out after Appetite their would be no hall of fame. It is the genius of the illusions that pushed guns into the stratusphere.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Kenny Jones (replaced Keith Moon in the Who) was inducted into the hall of fame. He recorded 2 albums and toured with them for 10 years & was considered a full member. In my opinion he should not be in becasue when people think of the Who they sure as hell do not think about the album "It's Hard" or the song "You better You bet". However unfortunate that is that is how the general public feels about Guns N' Roses.

Fun Fact: At the Detroit show in February, I was talking to some guy & his wife. He was telling me how excited he was to see Slash. I was like, Huh!? I told him that Slash hasnt been in the band for 16 years. Sadly there are alot of "fans" like him out there.

I think in Axl's eyes, a GNR induction would, to be valid, have to include the current lineup. And I agree completely. Fine, if you think the old lineup are the "correct" members. But to say that, and to not include the current lineup, is to make clear that the contribution made by Tommy, Chris, Brain, Frank, Bucket, Robin, Richard, Ron,  and DJ is meaningless and worthless in your eyes.

And that is NOT the case. Nor is is the case in Axl's eyes. The new lineup of the band is worthy of the name and of recognition. His decision shows a loyalty to Guns N Roses, both then and now, that is lacking in many of the comments here.

Axl can't win. Either he reforms the old lineup, at which point he's a tired old hag, cashing in on nostalgia, or he doesn't, at which point he's dissing the old band and taking the money and using the old band's name for personal gain. It doesn't matter what the reality of this situation is. You spin to make Axl look bad because he doesn't do what YOU want. Why can't he do what HE wants? It's his life, his choices, his destiny to fulfill. And, I trust his judgement. He's made excellent choices creatively over the years.

This is not an easy stance to take, but it clearly demonstrates an integrity that is sorely lacking in the rock world.

And if you buy a ticket to GNR, and haven't bothered to find out that Slash left the group last millennia, you deserve the disappointment you get because you are wilfully ignorant of the world around you.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 05:13:43 PM
I'm saying he is refusing to acknowledge the period in time in which he made a name for himself.

So because he refuses to attend this event, that automatically means he refuses to acknowledge the era?

Would you say bands who don't get inducted, and therefore can't attend, are also refusing to acknowledge their past?  :P

What makes this event the only way to determine said issue?



The period of 1985 - 1993 made Axl what he is today. Post '93 he went into hiatus.... his reappearance since the early millennium hasn't really reached the heights that he did back then.

And maybe he doesn't agree so he doesn't feel like showing up....

Also, you chose to ignore the other bands who have been inducted. So it's no use of explaining to you how other bands got members inducted who weren't there when the rest of the band "was made what they are today"....




The minute anybody questions something about Axl or his band, you feel the need to jump in and criticize it. Somewhat disrespectful in my opinion.


Too bad for you. I happen to disagree with your assumptions.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on April 12, 2012, 05:14:55 PM
Jarmo - these last couple of months have been like opening the floodgates you closed long ago.  Hope things settle back down after this weekend, do a little post HOF analysis, and then close those gates again so we can focus on the new.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 12, 2012, 05:15:09 PM
How can I put it more simple.... No I don't give a shit about other bands.

Of course you don't. It would require some thinking. It's easy to disregard everything and just go on with the same shit.


No not that at all... just not interested.... if they were to have inducted all of current the current band, I'd give the same opinion on other bands too.



According to your original post "he refuses to recognise the era that made him what he is today."

Are you saying he's done nothing since? Is the same true for you too? Whatever you did 25 years ago, if you were born then, is what made you what you are today. Nothing else matters?


No I'm not saying he hasn't done anything since, because we all know that he has. I'm saying he is refusing to acknowledge the period in time in which he made a name for himself. And yes I was born 25 years ago.




But according to you, all Axl is, was thanks to what happened between 1987 and 1991.

Somewhat disrespectful in my opinion.


The period of 1985 - 1993 made Axl what he is today. Post '93 he went into hiatus.... his reappearance since the early millennium hasn't really reached the heights that he did back then.

The minute anybody questions something about Axl or his band, you feel the need to jump in and criticize it. Somewhat disrespectful in my opinion.

Guns N' Roses are been inducted for the period 87' -91'.....so why should Axl only get recognition for 4yrs and not 25+


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 05:17:53 PM
Guns N' Roses are been inducted for the period 87' -91'.....so why should Axl only get recognition for 4yrs and not 25+

And why are they? Because the RNRHOF has the right to decide?

Yes, it's their award, but it's not their band to decide upon.

If the band had ended, it's one thing. You celebrate something that was. Fine.

The band is still active, but you don't acknowledge it.



But in other cases, they have acknowledged past and present.

That doesn't seem odd to you?

Yes yes, we all know AFD was an important album. No need to repeat it.


/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: norway on April 12, 2012, 05:21:12 PM
More I think about this letter. The happier I am cause after this, he will have to release some new music. I can't see anyway around it. basically denouncing the old lineup, championing the current lineup..

What old line-up!? And who denounce who? But yeah, hungry for more music here too :peace:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CoreyRotic007 on April 12, 2012, 05:21:25 PM
I think this induction is going to turn into a bit of a train wreck now.
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Who are the RNRHOF? The same people who've been telling GN'R fans GN'R is dead.





/jarmo



 Wow...alrighty 'sir'. Show me where anyone from the RNRHOF made a statement to GNR fans saying that GNR is dead.

And I'm not talking about the picking apart of opinions and questions, and general sidestepping that you're quite accustomed to doing.
 I challenge you, the MIGHTY JARMO, to answer to this straight on without pulling the "I'm the admin, that's who the fuck I am" schtick.

 Pssh, who am I kidding...this post will be removed before I even have a chance to blink.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: axlrosegnr on April 12, 2012, 05:21:37 PM
Hypothetical Question to all those who love Axl's letter and decision not to appear and who were anti-reunion:

What if Axl had instead written that he was showing up and would play 2 songs with the original members?

My guess is that every one of you would be praising his decision, saying how classy it was, and saying how excited you were to see the performance.  It's all hindsight now anyway.  Just asking the question.




You seem new here, but I believe I posted when the nominations were announced that I wouldn't WANT him there and in fact hoped he would not go. Luckily for me, Axl did exactly as I hoped many months ago. :)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 12, 2012, 05:26:31 PM
Guns N' Roses are been inducted for the period 87' -91'.....so why should Axl only get recognition for 4yrs and not 25+

And why are they? Because the RNRHOF has the right to decide?

Yes, it's their award, but it's not their band to decide upon.

If the band had ended, it's one thing. You celebrate something that was. Fine.

The band is still active, but you don't acknowledge it.



But in other cases, they have acknowledged past and present.

That doesn't seem odd to you?

Yes yes, we all know AFD was an important album. No need to repeat it.


/jarmo

so true...its their award but not their band, but yes the band is still very active  : ok:

and yes it seems very odd and rather an insult that they dont recognise the present


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 05:27:46 PM
I'm saying he is refusing to acknowledge the period in time in which he made a name for himself.

Would you say bands who don't get inducted, and therefore can't attend, are also refusing to acknowledge their past?  :P


Clearly if bands don't get inducted they can't attend and honor those periods. I'm not saying they can't do it in other ways. I'm not saying Axl doesn't necessarily recognise his era in other ways either (because he still sings the songs...). I'm saying that Axl has made a choice to snub the honor, therefore publicly casting a shdow over that period.


The minute anybody questions something about Axl or his band, you feel the need to jump in and criticize it. Somewhat disrespectful in my opinion.


Too bad for you. I happen to disagree with your assumptions.


As do I with yours. :-*


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRBABY on April 12, 2012, 05:28:29 PM
I don't understand why people are so shocked he isn't showing up. When I first heard GNR was going into HOF I thought it'd be Duff and Slash accepting the award. I never dreamed in a million years Axl would be there. How could anyone who has a clue about Axl expect he'd show up and play with all these guys? If it happened - GREAT - WOW - But my hopes where not up at all. I am proud of them and very pleased to see them being inducted(Slash,Duff,Izzy,Steven, Axl). Axl should not have written that silly letter and let everyone get to him like this. To say he owes it to the fans or the old band or whatever isn't very fair to him or anyone. I wouldn't want to be treated that way. He is giving plenty to the fans playing kick ass shows all over the world - and delivering a truly great concert worth the $. Nobody picks on Floyd or Zeppelin like this. But he wrote the long letter, and to those casual fans who buy concert tix and maybe even Chinese Democracy this is a turn off, because they only get the headlines and snips. It hurts the brand and it can hurt our fan experience too. Industry dickheads will close doors just to be dick's. They always pick on Axl. I'm proud of the "New" GNR and they are better than most give credit for and I want them to achieve the most. I also want a demand for another record. I want Axl to have revenge on America  ;D


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: norway on April 12, 2012, 05:29:34 PM

I think the most appropiate decision was indeed to decline the induction on the proposed premises.

Mark my words;

- while Axl Rose is very influencal and inspirational anf without taking anything away from Slash, there will be a big wave of musicians/rockbands coming soon that grew up to watching buckethead on youtube...and the artist represent a shift in dogmatic rocktrends which Axl Rose/GunsN'Roses has been fortunate to both spark and become a part of.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 05:31:06 PM
Wow...alrighty 'sir'.

Ok, "Miss".


Show me where anyone from the RNRHOF made a statement to GNR fans saying that GNR is dead.

When their nomination leads to a lot of talk about a reunion, when they pick who gets inducted and who doesn't, and the only people inducted were in the band 1985-1991, they are in a way disregarding everything that happened since.

It's like nothing has existed since or what happened since is not important.



GN'R is still existing, but they chose to not acknowledge it. If in your mind, the only GN'R that matters to you existed in the past, then it's no wonder why you're upset and don't understand why Axl isn't showing up.



As I have pointed out SEVERAL times, the RHCP current guitar player got inducted. He was not part of the band when they started, he was not part of the line up that recorded their most well known albums.

Yet, the RNRHOF thought he should be inducted while in GN'R's case they chose to focus on a part of GN'R history,


So there it is for all you to ignore and keep going on about how important AFD was.





/jarmo



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 12, 2012, 05:31:14 PM
Axl is implying, you either properly respect my 25 years in music or you don't. If you want  to just respect a single moment in my career, then that is fine, go ahead but I do not not want to show favour over anyone who has worked with me over this time.

It does sound reasonable from his perspective. And to be fair, the AFD line-up were not even the original line-up anyway.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: russtcb on April 12, 2012, 05:33:20 PM
I've said this in more than a few public places today but:

With "fans" like a lot of the people claiming to be of Axl Rose and GN'R who needs enemies!?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 05:35:01 PM
Axl is implying, you either properly respect my 25 years in music or you don't. If you want  to just respect a single moment in my career, then that is fine, go ahead but I do not not want to show favour over anyone who has worked with me over this time.

We've been trying to get that through for a while now but it doesn't seem to register.

"AFD was the most important album".





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 12, 2012, 05:35:23 PM


Clearly if bands don't get inducted they can't attend and honor those periods. I'm not saying they can't do it in other ways. I'm not saying Axl doesn't necessarily recognise his era in other ways either (because he still sings the songs...). I'm saying that Axl has made a choice to snub the honor, therefore publicly casting a shdow over that period.


Axl made a choice but why has he publicly cast a shadow over that period
Axl's done nothing wrong, he's simply making a stand for what he believes.....probably for reasons beyond his control


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: holtzmn73 on April 12, 2012, 05:39:52 PM
For the record, I'm pissed by Izzy's complete silence on the matter. At least Axl has acknowledged it.

Slash said last week that Izzy wasn't going. Either Slash or Duff had talked to Izzy and that's what he told them.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRBABY on April 12, 2012, 05:40:46 PM
Wow...alrighty 'sir'.

Ok, "Miss".


Show me where anyone from the RNRHOF made a statement to GNR fans saying that GNR is dead.

When their nomination leads to a lot of talk about a reunion, when they pick who gets inducted and who doesn't, and the only people inducted were in the band 1985-1991, they are in a way disregarding everything that happened since.

It's like nothing has existed since or what happened since is not important.



GN'R is still existing, but they chose to not acknowledge it. If in your mind, the only GN'R that matters to you existed in the past, then it's no wonder why you're upset and don't understand why Axl isn't showing up.



As I have pointed out SEVERAL times, the RHCP current guitar player got inducted. He was not part of the band when they started, he was not part of the line up that recorded their most well known albums.

Yet, the RNRHOF thought he should be inducted while in GN'R's case they chose to focus on a part of GN'R history,


So there it is for all you to ignore and keep going on about how important AFD was.





/jarmo



Jarmo - both Slovak (original) and John Frusciante who joined in like '87 or '88 (he recorded Blood Sugar, Mother's Milk, California and others) are being inducted. I'm not sure if Dave Navarro or The newest guy are included as they aren't mentioned on anything I've seen. I have no idea if John Frusciante will be there. Slovak is dead.

If the question is should they induct all members of GNR - like don't forget Robin and Buckethead - I think that is a bit over the top. On the same token I can see where this might seem like a dis to Axl. I wonder if this is the reason... I have always told my friends that if Axl plays HOF it will be with current band and some guest spots from Slash and Duff or something if at all.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 05:41:46 PM
Clearly if bands don't get inducted they can't attend and honor those periods. I'm not saying they can't do it in other ways.

Of course not. But if that's the way to measure how much value you put on your past, then poor bands!



I'm not saying Axl doesn't necessarily recognise his era in other ways either (because he still sings the songs...). I'm saying that Axl has made a choice to snub the honor, therefore publicly casting a shdow over that period.

So you're changing what you said.  : ok:


How is he casting a shadow over that period by not taking part in some award ceremony?

Only in your mind.
Once again.This event isn't the only way to measure how much value somebody puts on art or a specific era.




The minute anybody questions something about Axl or his band, you feel the need to jump in and criticize it. Somewhat disrespectful in my opinion.


Too bad for you. I happen to disagree with your assumptions.


As do I with yours. :-*

So you're being disrespectful in your own opinion. Ok.... Good to know I guess.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bodhi on April 12, 2012, 05:43:42 PM

 I'm not sure if Dave Navarro or The newest guy are included as they aren't mentioned on anything I've seen. I have no idea if John Frusciante will be there. Slovak is dead.



Slovak, Fruciante and Josh are in, Navarro isn't.  Once again showing there is no rhyme or reason to what the Hall does.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 05:45:22 PM

 I'm not sure if Dave Navarro or The newest guy are included as they aren't mentioned on anything I've seen. I have no idea if John Frusciante will be there. Slovak is dead.



Slovak, Fruciante and Josh are in, Navarro isn't.  Once again showing there is no rhyme or reason to what the Hall does.




Exactly.


None of the upset fans can seem to understand this.

But AFD was the most important album God damn it!



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Ali on April 12, 2012, 05:47:01 PM

 I'm not sure if Dave Navarro or The newest guy are included as they aren't mentioned on anything I've seen. I have no idea if John Frusciante will be there. Slovak is dead.



Slovak, Fruciante and Josh are in, Navarro isn't.  Once again showing there is no rhyme or reason to what the Hall does.



Exactly.  How do you induct Klinghoffer but not Dio with Sabbath?  And if you induct Klinghoffer, I think there leaves some room to argue that Tommy Stinson could be in.  Both played on one album that was not terribly commercially successful, both have toured extensively with their bands.  Josh plays with two original band members, Tommy plays with one original member and one long time member.

Ali


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 05:47:24 PM

So you're being disrespectful in your own opinion. Ok.... Good to know I guess.


No, I just don't agree with most of the shit that you chat.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CoreyRotic007 on April 12, 2012, 05:48:25 PM
Wow...alrighty 'sir'.

Ok, "Miss".


Show me where anyone from the RNRHOF made a statement to GNR fans saying that GNR is dead.

When their nomination leads to a lot of talk about a reunion, when they pick who gets inducted and who doesn't, and the only people inducted were in the band 1985-1991, they are in a way disregarding everything that happened since.

It's like nothing has existed since or what happened since is not important.



GN'R is still existing, but they chose to not acknowledge it. If in your mind, the only GN'R that matters to you existed in the past, then it's no wonder why you're upset and don't understand why Axl isn't showing up.



As I have pointed out SEVERAL times, the RHCP current guitar player got inducted. He was not part of the band when they started, he was not part of the line up that recorded their most well known albums.

Yet, the RNRHOF thought he should be inducted while in GN'R's case they chose to focus on a part of GN'R history,


So there it is for all you to ignore and keep going on about how important AFD was.





/jarmo



 I still don't see anything posted that has the RNRHOF attempting to convince GNR fans that the band is dead.
And no matter how many times you will try to spin the facts, or rewrite the entire GNR experience...AFD *IS* IMPORTANT!
 In fact it is THE most important album of their entire career...and that fact can be proven irrefutably by not only the public's appreciation for the disc, but most certainly by the sales figures.

 Fact.

Oh, and way to bring a gender slam into the mix...you'd have cried all sorts of foul had someone insulted you, Mr. Administrator.


 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 12, 2012, 05:48:59 PM
Axl is implying, you either properly respect my 25 years in music or you don't. If you want  to just respect a single moment in my career, then that is fine, go ahead but I do not not want to show favour over anyone who has worked with me over this time.

We've been trying to get that through for a while now but it doesn't seem to register.

"AFD was the most important album".

/jarmo

People are passionate over AFD. I had a schoolmate called Glen who tried to commit suicide by drowning himself, but he says the music on AFD turned him around. Yet he has never liked a GN'R since

Maybe there are some people from that era that just connected emotionally with AFD, which is why they fight for it now.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 12, 2012, 05:52:04 PM
So the point is that no matter what he would decide to do, he would have fierce critisism and scrutiny because thats how the rap game goes?  :D

Maybe they could send personally YOU as a representative to see if you could top Axl?  :D Would you be that important or less important Mr. Not-Administrator?  :D



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CoreyRotic007 on April 12, 2012, 05:58:16 PM
Oh, and before the sales figures are deemed unreliable due to 'illegal downloading'...you can't download a tee shirt. And, for some reason, I only see Original-era swag for sale at retail these days.

 Of course, I can only judge by the American and Irish retail markets.

 It's all about Europe, right!? That's where you'll find all the current era merch.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 06:02:57 PM
It's all about Europe, right!? That's where you'll find all the current era merch.

Can't say I've ever seen any current merch on sale here in UK shops.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 06:03:47 PM

So you're being disrespectful in your own opinion. Ok.... Good to know I guess.


No, I just don't agree with most of the shit that you chat.

You call me disrespectful for not agreeing with you, you don't agree with me, which makes you disrespectful. Don't have such double standards about your own shit.  

It stinks.



I still don't see anything posted that has the RNRHOF attempting to convince GNR fans that the band is dead.

Of course you don't get it.

Others do though. In case you didn't notice.

I didn't say they said it word for word. It's the feeling.


AFD *IS* IMPORTANT!

I love it. Thank you.



In fact it is THE most important album of their entire career...and that fact can be proven irrefutably by not only the public's appreciation for the disc, but most certainly by the sales figures.

 Fact.


Seriously?





Oh, and way to bring a gender slam into the mix...you'd have cried all sorts of foul had someone insulted you, Mr. Administrator.

Trust me, I've been insulted more times on here than you have posts.

I don't give a fuck. Ask Schwarsenegger above. : ok:





/jarmo



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 12, 2012, 06:05:55 PM


People are passionate over AFD. I had a schoolmate called Glen who tried to commit suicide by drowning himself, but he says the music on AFD turned him around. Yet he has never liked a GN'R since

Maybe there are some people from that era that just connected emotionally with AFD, which is why they fight for it now.

AFD turned my life around, about 14 when it hit the shelves, parents breaking up, got in with the wrong crowd and stuff and along came appetite to cheer things up... i still occasionally crank it up and look back on my mispent youth with a tear in my eye lol, so yeah im very much connected with appetite but i dont fight for it... i respect it very much for personal reasons. but now pushing 40 i also connect with CD just as much as appetite  : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 06:07:35 PM

So you're being disrespectful in your own opinion. Ok.... Good to know I guess.


No, I just don't agree with most of the shit that you chat.

You call me disrespectful for not agreeing with you, you don't agree with me, which makes you disrespectful. Don't have such double standards about your own shit.  

It stinks.


No, I think it's disrespectful that you attack other people and shoot them down when their opinions do not fall within your own. That stinks.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 12, 2012, 06:10:02 PM
Oh, and before the sales figures are deemed unreliable due to 'illegal downloading'...you can't download a tee shirt. And, for some reason, I only see Original-era swag for sale at retail these days.

 Of course, I can only judge by the American and Irish retail markets.

 It's all about Europe, right!? That's where you'll find all the current era merch.

It was good of you to travel up and down the US, then fly to the Republic of Ireland for your informed response on Merch.

I presume, of course, you contacted major outlets in EU countries to compare your findings.

It would obviously be daft to post otherwise


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 06:12:51 PM
I said as a joke that the only way the upset and sad fans could justify the RNRHOF's decision on who to induct is by saying "AFD is important"

And look what happened.


Others have pointed out the weird selection process, pointed out that just celebrating part of a band's career is weird. But that is ignored and met with "AFD is important".



No, I think it's disrespectful that you attack other people and shoot them down when their opinions do not fall within your own. That stinks.

Why am I not allowed to say that I disagree with you when even you change your tone once you were asked about your comments?


You say something, I challenge it, you try to make silly remarks about me, I point out that what you say makes no sense, and then you feel disrespected?

Seems to me like you say stuff and you don't even know what you're saying.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 12, 2012, 06:13:50 PM

So you're being disrespectful in your own opinion. Ok.... Good to know I guess.


No, I just don't agree with most of the shit that you chat.

You call me disrespectful for not agreeing with you, you don't agree with me, which makes you disrespectful. Don't have such double standards about your own shit.  

It stinks.


No, I think it's disrespectful that you attack other people and shoot them down when their opinions do not fall within your own. That stinks.


I have not been posting here for ages but what you have to take into consideration is that boards are not a luxury neither common land. Someone has to take care of it, otherwise it ends up a jungle. Are you Human or Animal? & since you are that good in defense why you dont become a lawyer?  :D  Maybe Jarmo is really tired of all slumming Gnr has had the last 300 years which is HUMAN.  :D  


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 06:16:30 PM
Why am I not allowed to say that I disagree with you when even you change your tone once you were asked about your comments?


You say something, I challenge it, you try to make silly remarks about me, I point out that what you say makes no sense, and then you feel disrespected?

Seems to me like you say stuff and you don't even know what you're saying.

Uh, no...

I say what I say and explain my reasons for doing so.

But if it isn't pro-Axl, it seems like it's you're job to knock everyone down. #justsayin


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 06:21:23 PM
But if it isn't pro-Axl, it seems like it's you're job to knock everyone down. #justsayin

And the fact that I tell you that I don't agree with you bothers you because?



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 06:23:26 PM
But if it isn't pro-Axl, it seems like it's you're job to knock everyone down. #justsayin

And the fact that I tell you that I don't agree with you bothers you because?


Jarmo I couldn't care less whether you agreed with me or not. It's your poor attitude towards the people that you don't agree with that I find appalling.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 06:26:33 PM
But if it isn't pro-Axl, it seems like it's you're job to knock everyone down. #justsayin

And the fact that I tell you that I don't agree with you bothers you because?


Jarmo I couldn't care less whether you agreed with me or not. It's your poor attitude towards the people that you don't agree with that I find appalling.


What poor attitude?




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 06:27:53 PM
But if it isn't pro-Axl, it seems like it's you're job to knock everyone down. #justsayin

And the fact that I tell you that I don't agree with you bothers you because?


Jarmo I couldn't care less whether you agreed with me or not. It's your poor attitude towards the people that you don't agree with that I find appalling.


What poor attitude?


The one where you pull apart every negative comment towards Axl or the band. We've had this conversation before.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 12, 2012, 06:31:14 PM
We've had this conversation before.

and your still wide open   :hihi:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 06:33:03 PM
But if it isn't pro-Axl, it seems like it's you're job to knock everyone down. #justsayin

And the fact that I tell you that I don't agree with you bothers you because?


Jarmo I couldn't care less whether you agreed with me or not. It's your poor attitude towards the people that you don't agree with that I find appalling.


What poor attitude?


The one where you pull apart every negative comment towards Axl or the band. We've had this conversation before.

So, let me get this straight. My poor attitude is due to me not agreeing with what some people say and responding to that?

Once again. Why is that a problem?

I understand, it's easier when you can say things and nobody asks you what the hell you're saying or why you would say such a thing. But surely that can't be your reason.

If you are able to put your thoughts into words and make them public, you must be able to stand for what you say. Wouldn't you agree?
Otherwise people could say all kinds of shit just for the sake of saying it. And that's not really interesting.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Terminator on April 12, 2012, 06:34:36 PM
But if it isn't pro-Axl, it seems like it's you're job to knock everyone down. #justsayin

And the fact that I tell you that I don't agree with you bothers you because?


Jarmo I couldn't care less whether you agreed with me or not. It's your poor attitude towards the people that you don't agree with that I find appalling.


What poor attitude?


The one where you pull apart every negative comment towards Axl or the band. We've had this conversation before.

So, let me get this straight. My poor attitude is due to me not agreeing with what some people say and responding to that?

Once again. Why is that a problem?


It's the way in which you do it, you belittle people.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 06:38:52 PM
It's the way in which you do it, you belittle people.

Sometimes I make jokes, sometimes I use sarcasm, sometimes I make fun of people (ask D or CheapJon).

People who are respectful, get respect back.

Simple as that.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Perfect Criminal on April 12, 2012, 06:49:26 PM
Talking about respect on an online forum is fruitless.  Everyone's opinion matters in my mind.

I respect Axl more for his letter than I did before (which is saying alot).  He is doing the right thing here guys.  He is showing respect for the entire GNR family by declining the induction.  He simply did the honorable thing here and now a bunch or you are criticizing him.  It's not fair, but its your opinion so I respect it.

My opinion is that he is an honorable man and just proved it with his letter. 

Thanks Axl....again and again.

PC


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 07:03:14 PM
Quote
Probably because Jarmo censors it so that axl keeps making him feel like he's a rock star too.

As I said about respect earlier. This is in the FIRST line of the post this one post wonder makes.

They insult the band, the board and/or try to insult me, then wonder why I remove posts and ban people.





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Perfect Criminal on April 12, 2012, 07:05:21 PM
Quote
Probably because Jarmo censors it so that axl keeps making him feel like he's a rock star too.

As I said about respect earlier. This is in the FIRST line of the post this one post wonder makes.

They insult the band, the board and/or try to insult me, then wonder why I remove posts and ban people.





/jarmo

Don't let them get to you mate.  You do an excellent job of keeping the flamers in their place.  This is a GNR forum that promotes that current line up as it should.  Just don't let the haters get you down.

PC


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LRose on April 12, 2012, 07:07:13 PM
"I don't know ANYONE who is never at fault for anything.  Yet axl portrays himself this way."



See ladies and gentlemen this is the postings of a plum FOOL,  no not just someone is understandably disappointed,but a fool; he/she/it could have made their point without tyring to be an idiot nor did they have to go te usual "let's see if my  diss/hiss will get/stay posted" here like some think that they'r being all rebel like or something by posting here. lol whatever. I see it on other sites as well, when did he ever say or imply that he was NEVER wrong like russtcub sad when you have"fans" like that (poor jarmo, you'll realy be dealing with a lot of fools in te following weeks, I guess you're doing a good job of it now lol :rofl:)

edit: glad you removed "IT'S" post, it was stupid and the very last part was what they're accusing Axl of..... PURE IGNORANCE


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 12, 2012, 07:09:31 PM
Don't let them get to you mate.  You do an excellent job of keeping the flamers in their place.  This is a GNR forum that promotes that current line up as it should.  Just don't let the haters get you down.

PC

Don't worry, been doing this for long enough.

It's like watching the National Geographic channel. As soon as the vultures sense there's something going on that fits their agenda, out they come.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: axlrosegnr on April 12, 2012, 07:14:02 PM
Why am I not allowed to say that I disagree with you when even you change your tone once you were asked about your comments?


You say something, I challenge it, you try to make silly remarks about me, I point out that what you say makes no sense, and then you feel disrespected?

Seems to me like you say stuff and you don't even know what you're saying.

Uh, no...

I say what I say and explain my reasons for doing so.

But if it isn't pro-Axl, it seems like it's you're job to knock everyone down. #justsayin

#This isn't twitter.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: norway on April 12, 2012, 07:18:06 PM


There was no way this could be a "friendly" event.


I don't know, they coulda excluded Dizzy and Matt or included Buckethead and more. Media is stuck up imo.

That would be the most appropiate and respectfull approach to this for all I believe.


 While some people go 'omagad, afd-reunion!!!' others go 'omagad, gnr is on the same album as the prodigy' and love how Oh My God is almost like an attack (this style would have been a great, socially acceptable album cause Bucket and Axl adds so much beauty and prettyfeeling to hard rock) on the established norms of rock-music. <3 how some folks emorage over that stuff :hihi:



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: CIAT on April 12, 2012, 07:34:35 PM
Don't let them get to you mate.  You do an excellent job of keeping the flamers in their place.  This is a GNR forum that promotes that current line up as it should.  Just don't let the haters get you down.

PC

Don't worry, been doing this for long enough.

It's like watching the National Geographic channel. As soon as the vultures sense there's something going on that fits their agenda, out they come.



/jarmo

ugh


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom
Post by: Sergott on April 12, 2012, 08:24:17 PM
I dont feel disrespected as a fan.  I had no interest in watching.  I think Steven is a joke, and I no longer support Slash since he hosed DLR in 2007, at the same event.

After all the lawsuits and commentary through the years from two former members, Axl in my mind would be a hack or sell out for getting on stage with them.

Does Paul McCartney disrespect his fans?  What of Roger Waters?  Its not like Axl is going into uncharted territory. 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom
Post by: Sergott on April 12, 2012, 08:28:39 PM
Speaking of DLR his letter was better.

And how does Izzy get a free pass on this?

Love him, but you sure arent giving him the same rope you are giving Axl.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 12, 2012, 10:17:26 PM
Axl promised nobody anything.

And I agree with him. IF GNR were to be inducted AND perform : it should contain every member of the current lineup.

Lets look at the length of time people have been in GNR
Axl - 27 years
Dizzy - 21 years
Tommy - 14 years
Pitman - 12 years
Fortus - 10 years
Bumble - 7 years
Frank - 6 years
DJ - 3 years

And how long have the ex-members been in the band?
Duff - 12 years
Slash - 10 years
Robin - 9 years
Izzy - 5 years
Josh - 5 years
Brain - 5 years
Matt - 5 years
Adler - 5 years
Buckethead - 4 years
Gilby - 3 years


Fairly disrespectful to the current band, and their work, to invite the former members and not them. It's "Damned If You Do / Damned If You Don't". All those whining pussies upset that Axl won't be their bitch and sing the old songs with guys who haven't been in the band for over 20 years? Get over it. It'll never be 1991 again.

Yes, the current lineup is a better band.

Axl may use too many words, and talk like someone who has spent a little too long in therapy sometimes, but this is a decision that commands respect for the courage to stand up to others expectations and the integrity that it brings.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous post I've seen on this subject.

Who cares how long you have been in a band? REALLY?

So if u want to play this rationale out:

in 5 years.. 4 of the greatest albums of all time were released..

Thats all that matters.

This isn't a longevity award.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: D on April 12, 2012, 11:23:57 PM

 I'm not sure if Dave Navarro or The newest guy are included as they aren't mentioned on anything I've seen. I have no idea if John Frusciante will be there. Slovak is dead.



Slovak, Fruciante and Josh are in, Navarro isn't.  Once again showing there is no rhyme or reason to what the Hall does.



Jesus let me educate u on the Chili Peppers

Hillel was founding member.. helped shape their sound/unique style.

Frusicante is a GOD.. no explanation needed.. the fact u would even put him in this sentence is asinine.

Josh.. head scratcher... Shouldn't be there.. navarro shouldn't go in as a Chili either.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Jay Tea on April 13, 2012, 12:51:25 AM
Good for you Axl!
 STICK TO YOUR GUNS (every pun intended)!
 Onward and upward.







Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Dave Jenno on April 13, 2012, 03:04:57 AM
Axl has done the right thing as far as I'm concerned, on a number of levels. The whole thing had 'car crash' written all over it. Could've been a really embarrassing night for GN'R. Very respectful and explained his rationale. Disaster avoided. European Tour he we come  ;D


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: StardustGirl on April 13, 2012, 03:28:42 AM
On a bit of a side note, I wonder if all the bickering and fighting is partially due to GNR having evolved so much musically over the years . That is to say, AFD, The Illusions and CD all take the music to new territory and attract different kind of audience. Sure, some fans have evolved with the band, but you seemingly still have those who only pine for AFD2 (and 3, and etc). It's like we are talking about fans of different bands (only from a musical point of view, although there have been line up changes associated with stylistic change). Small wonder then that almost nobody can agree on anything.

I'm amazed that people did not comprehend already in 1991 that there would not be another AFD. As much as I love the debut, I would have never become a huge fan if it wasn't for the Illusions albums and would have been disappointed if the band only tried to copy AFD. You just can't top perfection. Trying to copy one's success just gets pathetic. Time to move on and widen your horizon, just like GNR has been doing (and hopefully will continue to do).


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 13, 2012, 04:05:23 AM
Axl promised nobody anything.

And I agree with him. IF GNR were to be inducted AND perform : it should contain every member of the current lineup.

Lets look at the length of time people have been in GNR
Axl - 27 years
Dizzy - 21 years
Tommy - 14 years
Pitman - 12 years
Fortus - 10 years
Bumble - 7 years
Frank - 6 years
DJ - 3 years

And how long have the ex-members been in the band?
Duff - 12 years
Slash - 10 years
Robin - 9 years
Izzy - 5 years
Josh - 5 years
Brain - 5 years
Matt - 5 years
Adler - 5 years
Buckethead - 4 years
Gilby - 3 years


Fairly disrespectful to the current band, and their work, to invite the former members and not them. It's "Damned If You Do / Damned If You Don't". All those whining pussies upset that Axl won't be their bitch and sing the old songs with guys who haven't been in the band for over 20 years? Get over it. It'll never be 1991 again.

Yes, the current lineup is a better band.

Axl may use too many words, and talk like someone who has spent a little too long in therapy sometimes, but this is a decision that commands respect for the courage to stand up to others expectations and the integrity that it brings.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous post I've seen on this subject.

Who cares how long you have been in a band? REALLY?

So if u want to play this rationale out:

in 5 years.. 4 of the greatest albums of all time were released..

Thats all that matters.

This isn't a longevity award.



The point, which you completely failed to get, is that either GNR is inducted for ALL the work they have done with ALL the members - or not at all. The selective picking of who is and isn't "important" in the eyes of the RRHOF is fundamentally unfair and biased. Maybe that is Axl's point. To only induct a certain lineup is to clearly send a message that whatever happened post 1993 is meaningless : and THAT is wrong.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Chuzeville on April 13, 2012, 04:14:04 AM
Maybe that is Axl's point.

I sure woud like to know for sure what his point is. It would carry more weight if he'd made it clearer.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Six Strings on April 13, 2012, 04:33:53 AM
Haha. Another 120 pages on the way for the very same reason now! Some will be disapointed others will be happy. Just get over it. Go to a show, drink some beers, smoke cigarettes and enjoy the good music. Not going to the RNRHF is Axl's decision. Period!

PS. I really loved what Axl has said and I hoped that he would turn the induction down just because of the legacy and just because noone was there when he needed someone!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: robd788 on April 13, 2012, 05:43:51 AM
The Rock and Roll HOF is a farce.

There are plenty of bands that havent got in because someone on a panel of record execs etc doesnt like them, no matter what they have achieved in there careers (Bon Jovi etc).  Its not been voted for by the people that matter, the fans.

The only thing that matters in the wirld of GnR at the moment is a mega sold out European tour, heres to liverpool and London!!!!!



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 13, 2012, 05:53:45 AM
To only induct a certain lineup is to clearly send a message that whatever happened post 1993 is meaningless : and THAT is wrong.

but just take a look of what really happened post 1993:
the band broke up and it took up 15 more years and many hired musicians for a new album release under the GN'R b(r)and name (with zero new releases in sight still!), including years and years of silence, rarely any communication or Axl talking, some cancelled shows/tours, some important CD members not in the band anymore...all not really worthy to be honoured and thats why the HOF decided to concentrate on the heyday of GN'R, the AFD/(early) UYI line-ups, rightfully being inducted.
using the "but the new band..."-excuse for disrespecting the glory past, which build up the GN'R monster and for what they're getting inducted, is out of line. you still can see the Slash-psychosis all-over and also in Axl's letter.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: crash_diet on April 13, 2012, 06:44:08 AM
To only induct a certain lineup is to clearly send a message that whatever happened post 1993 is meaningless : and THAT is wrong.

but just take a look of what really happened post 1993:
the band broke up and it took up 15 more years and many hired musicians for a new album release under the GN'R b(r)and name (with zero new releases in sight still!), including years and years of silence, rarely any communication or Axl talking, some cancelled shows/tours, some important CD members not in the band anymore...all not really worthy to be honoured and thats why the HOF decided to concentrate on the heyday of GN'R, the AFD/(early) UYI line-ups, rightfully being inducted.
using the "but the new band..."-excuse for disrespecting the glory past, which build up the GN'R monster and for what they're getting inducted, is out of line. you still can see the Slash-psychosis all-over and also in Axl's letter.


Hmm...how can you be sure that this is the reason why HOF decided that? Probably you re guessing... Another guess, is that HOF really tries to focus on the old band, cause the industry knows that with a reunion can make a lot of million of dollars... And as i see it, those dollars are ok for Slash maybe, but not for Axl. Uncle axl 's proved over these years that he really cares only for the music and the GnR name and NOT for the dollars... and dont say that HOF is not part of the industry...
The way i see it, is this: i have 3 kids from my first marriage and 1 kid from my current relationshiop/marriage... someone decides for me, that those 3 kids are excellent students, made it to MIT and i should be awarded for that as a parent, but says nothing about my newer kid - although i m the same father, doing the same things with my kids all these years! And this "someone", invites me to reward me as a parent, and it s his decision who i m gonna take the credit for. To me, that s an insult. Going there is like saying "ok, i did great with my elder kids, but i screw up with the new one - and thank God noone is saying anything about it"! If those 3 kids were nice people, they would be isnulted too, with the situation...! In my mind, they could at least ask me about it, cause i m the father!
People took Axl in a postition that no matter what he d do, he d loose!
And i m just guessing all that, cause i m not in Axl 's mind, and i dont know him personally. The worst thing that fans do with their music idols, is that because they follow the carreer of a rock singer from the start to this day, they think they know the person! Which is completely wrong. All i know, is the public image of Axl, not Axl himself! And the public image, is the icon that media would want me to see. And i pray that i m lucky enough, to manage to "read between the lines" and "judge a book NOT by its cover"... But still, i can only guess, i sure dont know! And that being said, i cant be dissapointed - or pleased -  in a personal level, from a guy that i dont know in person! all i can do is be pleased - or dissapointed - by his music, his live perfomances etc... And, boy, i ve seen him with his former friend, and i ve seen him with his current friends, and always he blews my mind away! And at the end of the day, that is what really matters!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Drew on April 13, 2012, 06:54:55 AM
Without the current band there would be no GNR. No tour. No records.

Would you elaborate on this more. Your 'records' comment. As to my knowledge, Chinese Democracy is the only album the current band has released. The only studio album released since 1993. Almost 20 years.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 13, 2012, 07:03:53 AM
... Uncle axl 's proved over these years that he really cares only for the music and the GnR name and NOT for the dollars...

for the music? uhm, if you think so...
name and $$: not for the re-union dollars, yeah but off course he is in for the money, thats a big part for keeping the GN'R name (Axl 12/2008: "dropping the name became suicide").


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: crash_diet on April 13, 2012, 07:13:01 AM
... Uncle axl 's proved over these years that he really cares only for the music and the GnR name and NOT for the dollars...

for the music? uhm, if you think so...
name and $$: not for the re-union dollars, yeah but off course he is in for the money, thats a big part for keeping the GN'R name (Axl 12/2008: "dropping the name became suicide").
of couse, he is in for thw money... till 2008, he hasnt got any money at all, so he took the opportunity for the money..

This thing is getting insane: as i said, i m only guessing. you seem to be sure that - it s a fact! - "he is in for the money" ...

It s never seezes to amaze me: people are SURE what s going on, think they know what there is in someone else s head, someone they dont even know! people are sure that what this someone else is doing is wrong, very wrong, and still ,they say it to a forum that is built up to support this someone else! To me , is surreal... If Axl is wrong, if he is in "for the money", if he s disrespectfull to the fans, but at the same time he was the best man till 1993, then it s fine with me, but what r u doing here? There are tons of material in youtube, with the 87-93 era, and there are many places that support the same thing you do, so....


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 13, 2012, 07:13:11 AM
... Uncle axl 's proved over these years that he really cares only for the music and the GnR name and NOT for the dollars...

for the music? uhm, if you think so...
name and $$: not for the re-union dollars, yeah but off course he is in for the money, thats a big part for keeping the GN'R name (Axl 12/2008: "dropping the name became suicide").

Well if he was in it for the money, there could be plenty of other things other than a reunion he could do to get this, starting with not taking paying for Chinese Democracy into his own hands when Geffen stopped paying for it. Not many artists are willing to take that risk upon themselves.
And then there's selling his music to whoever asks for it. He doesn't let people use his music in a way he feels uncomfortable with, and when he does feel comfortable with it he's been known to give it free of charge (The Wrestler).
People are willing to pay to interview him, and his answer to this is usually no. He hasn't gone down the Kiss route of "if something exists, just brand it with the GN'R logo and sell it for double the price). Basically, the only thing he has done that is even slightly for money is keep the name. And you know what? That could have been more of a security measure to make sure he still at least makes a living than a cash-grab.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 13, 2012, 07:42:28 AM
dont twist my words, i said that money plays a big part for keeping the GN'R name, he himself talked about that in 12/2008.
keeping the name still allows to live his lifestyle in a ok way for him....a route that he wouldnt have that easily when dropping the name.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 13, 2012, 07:46:13 AM
dont twist my words, i said that money plays a big part for keeping the GN'R name, he himself talked about that in 12/2008.
keeping the name still allows to live his lifestyle in a ok way for him....a route that he wouldnt have that easily when dropping the name.

I'm not twisting your words. You said he's in it for the money. I gave a short and incomplete list of things he would be doing if he was in it for the money.

Wanting to earn a living and being in it for the money are two different things.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: zombux on April 13, 2012, 08:01:39 AM

This thing is getting insane: as i said, i m only guessing. you seem to be sure that - it s a fact! - "he is in for the money" ...

It s never seezes to amaze me: people are SURE what s going on, think they know what there is in someone else s head, someone they dont even know! people are sure that what this someone else is doing is wrong, very wrong, and still ,they say it to a forum that is built up to support this someone else! To me , is surreal... If Axl is wrong, if he is in "for the money", if he s disrespectfull to the fans, but at the same time he was the best man till 1993, then it s fine with me, but what r u doing here? There are tons of material in youtube, with the 87-93 era, and there are many places that support the same thing you do, so....
+ there are many places to constantly bash and spread negativity towards him and the band. which, ironically, even more justifies my opinion about all this, which is clearly a huge respect for Axl.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 13, 2012, 08:02:53 AM
i said and meant it in combination with money/name. and Axl even said so himself.
he doesnt have to do all the other money things....because of goin on with the name. it would be totally different without it!

still hoping for some HOF worthy night tomorrow  :beer:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 13, 2012, 08:03:01 AM

Wanting to earn a living and being in it for the money are two different things.

i said that about 10 pages ago  : ok:
some other fans just dont get it though, which is really puzzling, fruatrating, funny and a little bit sad  :confused:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: zombux on April 13, 2012, 08:06:53 AM
still hoping for some HOF worthy night tomorrow  :beer:
I'm sure Adler's "speech" will be unforgetable :hihi:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Limulus on April 13, 2012, 08:12:33 AM
entertaining hopefully  ;D

so Dizzy also not coming, right? how unexpected!!!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: msaxl43 on April 13, 2012, 08:31:47 AM
Will this event be televised?




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Chuzeville on April 13, 2012, 08:37:43 AM
Yes. Unlike revolution apparently.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: peter7411226 on April 13, 2012, 09:37:41 AM
My personal feelings is that it's tragic that they all can't come together just to recognize what they created. They dont have to be friends, they dont have to perform. But they should respect the legacy they ALL created. A band is the sum of all parts. THEY created something special. We wouldnt even be talking about this if it wasnt for ALL of them. Its just a shame they cant come together to honor it. That being said I respect what Axl is doing.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 13, 2012, 09:44:25 AM
Will this event be televised?




HBO May 5th


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Hammer1 on April 13, 2012, 09:53:16 AM
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1682996/axl-rose-rock-n-roll-hall-of-fame-open-letter.jhtml

Great article!  : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Hudson on April 13, 2012, 10:03:16 AM
I think the feud between Axl and Slash may be at a different level, which believe it or not no one has mentioned. Obviously Axl is cool with Duff and Izzy and I believe even Matt. He even hung out with Steven, but obviously is upset about his big mouth and deservedly so. Slash is still the one relationship yet to heal. To be fair, I can see how Axl may have been disappointed and upset about their fallout and some things Slash has said over the years. Although I mistakenly believed the Hof was an opportunity for them to get together and hash things out on a personal level (not for business or reunion purposes) that is not going to happen either.

My personal belief is that Axl may still be upset at Slash for the former, and may have been inclined to squash their beef, but on some other level he may feel as he is giving in to the so called industry and may think that by befriending slash again he did what the industry wanted him to do. Therefore, his pride and will to not show what he may believe is a weakness or surrender to the industries wishes and demands he will sacrifice and continue being estranged with slash.

I had no ill conceived notions of a reunion but would have liked these guys to be cool with each other because they were practically brothers and do not believe that their issues at least what we have knowledge and have been privy to are worth a lifetime of hatred and animosity toward each other.

Axl was right that divorces happen, and people move on, but even divorced couples can remain civil with each other and even interact with each other even if it is solely for the kids sake. It would be cool if they could have gotten together to accept an award for something they accomplished together at least for the fans sake.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LongGoneDay on April 13, 2012, 10:41:57 AM
I think the feud between Axl and Slash may be at a different level, which believe it or not no one has mentioned. Obviously Axl is cool with Duff and Izzy and I believe even Matt. He even hung out with Steven, but obviously is upset about his big mouth and deservedly so. Slash is still the one relationship yet to heal. To be fair, I can see how Axl may have been disappointed and upset about their fallout and some things Slash has said over the years. Although I mistakenly believed the Hof was an opportunity for them to get together and hash things out on a personal level (not for business or reunion purposes) that is not going to happen either.

My personal belief is that Axl may still be upset at Slash for the former, and may have been inclined to squash their beef, but on some other level he may feel as he is giving in to the so called industry and may think that by befriending slash again he did what the industry wanted him to do. Therefore, his pride and will to not show what he may believe is a weakness or surrender to the industries wishes and demands he will sacrifice and continue being estranged with slash.

I had no ill conceived notions of a reunion but would have liked these guys to be cool with each other because they were practically brothers and do not believe that their issues at least what we have knowledge and have been privy to are worth a lifetime of hatred and animosity toward each other.

Axl was right that divorces happen, and people move on, but even divorced couples can remain civil with each other and even interact with each other even if it is solely for the kids sake. It would be cool if they could have gotten together to accept an award for something they accomplished together at least for the fans sake.

Yeah, I didn't think they'd perform, but thought maybe it could have been an excuse and venue for Axl and Slash to get over whatever it is between them.
 I don't really care for a reunion. I would have loved to see them play live at the awards, and then go their separate ways.
They have all gone in different musical directions, and not much has changed since the split. Axl did go with a more straight ahead rock guitarist in Ashba, but I don't think Slash would be down for the ballad and pro tool heavy Chinese Democracy style, nor Axl for the more meat and potatoes rock n roll that Slash is into.
They decided they couldn't come to a compromise way back, and both seem intent on their paths, and that is cool with me.

If they aren't inspired by one another anymore there is no point. I don't want them to reunite, hire Rick Rubin, and put out their version of Death Magnetic, or Use Your Illusion III (though I would like to think UYI III is in the vaults somewhere ready to be released).

They seem pretty content w/o each other, but it would have been cool to see one more performance, and maybe guest appearances down the road like has been done w/Izzy and Duff. That would hinge on them getting over their differences, and that's clearly not in the cards at this point,  maybe ever. That's fine.

Was hoping at the very least Axl would show up and perform something with somebody, like he did w/Elton, the Boss, Petty etc.
Could have been a cool night, and worth the trip.

I'd like to see Slash and Wood go back and fourth on the Stay with Me outtro.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: gnrpatience on April 13, 2012, 11:08:05 AM
This letter is one of the many reasons i support and will always support Axl.  I really never expect a letter from him but always thought he would not show up. He was very honest and open mind.


Move On! The show still goes on!!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 13, 2012, 11:12:25 AM
To only induct a certain lineup is to clearly send a message that whatever happened post 1993 is meaningless : and THAT is wrong.

but just take a look of what really happened post 1993:
the band broke up and it took up 15 more years and many hired musicians for a new album release under the GN'R b(r)and name (with zero new releases in sight still!), including years and years of silence, rarely any communication or Axl talking, some cancelled shows/tours, some important CD members not in the band anymore...all not really worthy to be honoured and thats why the HOF decided to concentrate on the heyday of GN'R, the AFD/(early) UYI line-ups, rightfully being inducted.
using the "but the new band..."-excuse for disrespecting the glory past, which build up the GN'R monster and for what they're getting inducted, is out of line. you still can see the Slash-psychosis all-over and also in Axl's letter.


100% agree with this. 

And to all those (Jarmo, for example) that keep saying the HOF is somehow disrespecting the new lineup by not inviting them, why not ask the new lineup instead of assuming what they think...

[In an interview prior to the show, latter-day GN'R bassist Tommy Stinson insisted that he couldn't care less about the Rock Hall or about excluding current members from the induction.

"Axl probably really appreciates it," Stinson said.

"I don't really give a [expletive]. . . . If they all want to go play a song and get their award, I would have no problem with it. Do I think I'm part of that? Hell no! It's all about the original band, and that's fine. It's all about 'Appetite,' really." ]



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 13, 2012, 11:30:46 AM

And to all those (Jarmo, for example) that keep saying the HOF is somehow disrespecting the new lineup by not inviting them, why not ask the new lineup instead of assuming what they think...

[In an interview prior to the show, latter-day GN'R bassist Tommy Stinson insisted that he couldn't care less about the Rock Hall or about excluding current members from the induction.

"Axl probably really appreciates it," Stinson said.

"I don't really give a [expletive]. . . . If they all want to go play a song and get their award, I would have no problem with it. Do I think I'm part of that? Hell no! It's all about the original band, and that's fine. It's all about 'Appetite,' really." ]



I have to commend guys like Tommy, Bumble, and DJ for their amicable attitude towards the old band the guys in it. They don't let Axl's disdain for certain guys rub off. Seems like they have a fairly realistic viewpoint on the whole thing, much more so than some people on this board actually.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: russkwtx on April 13, 2012, 11:42:02 AM
I can respect Axl not wanting to attend for the reasons that he indicated, but I think it is a mistake to decline induction altogether because it does disappoint fans, it does suggest disrespect, and it does give haters (more) ammunition to criticize. I personally think the wiser course would have been to say "thank you for the honor but I will not be able to attend." Leave it at that. To decline the induction is also awkward because without Axl the original band never would have gotten to HOF status. So, this move really kind of de-legitimizes the induction for the rest of the members.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Kittyrock on April 13, 2012, 11:58:22 AM
Axl was so honored to induct and speak for Elton John at the 1994 Hall Of Fame. He thought it meant something then. A lot of people on here were saying positive things about the HOF until Axl decided it was not worth his time for whatever reason and then the posts started becoming negative about the Hall. I have been a fan since the beginning and really feel let down as I'm sure a lot of you do, but just pretend like it is the rocking cool rebel thing to do....yeah whatever. I'm sure no one will agree with me but oh well.   :-X


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LongGoneDay on April 13, 2012, 12:00:17 PM
I can respect Axl not wanting to attend for the reasons that he indicated, but I think it is a mistake to decline induction altogether because it does disappoint fans, it does suggest disrespect, and it does give haters (more) ammunition to criticize. I personally think the wiser course would have been to say "thank you for the honor but I will not be able to attend." Leave it at that. To decline the induction is also awkward because without Axl the original band never would have gotten to HOF status. So, this move really kind of de-legitimizes the induction for the rest of the members.

In the end, the reward is only worth as much as each individual recipient deems it.
Doesn't seem that it means a whole lot to any of them personally, save for maybe Steven.
They've all said it's more about the fans.

Axl not showing does nothing to take away from what GN'R accomplished back then.
Axl obviously is not nominated if not for the work he helped create w Slash, Duff and company, and vice versa.

That era of GN'R to many is one of the greatest rock bands of all time. They didn't need to be inducted into a HOF to know that.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FanSince87 on April 13, 2012, 12:02:16 PM
Axl was so honored to induct and speak for Elton John at the 1994 Hall Of Fame. He thought it meant something then. A lot of people on here were saying positive things about the HOF until Axl decided it was not worth his time for whatever reason and then the posts started becoming negative about the Hall. I have been a fan since the beginning and really feel let down as I'm sure a lot of you do, but just pretend like it is the rocking cool rebel thing to do....yeah whatever. I'm sure no one will agree with me but oh well.   :-X

I've said the same.  The ppl who say it is so cool that he said "no" would also likely be on here saying how cool it was if he had said "yes".


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: volcano62 on April 13, 2012, 12:11:23 PM

And to all those (Jarmo, for example) that keep saying the HOF is somehow disrespecting the new lineup by not inviting them, why not ask the new lineup instead of assuming what they think...

[In an interview prior to the show, latter-day GN'R bassist Tommy Stinson insisted that he couldn't care less about the Rock Hall or about excluding current members from the induction.

"Axl probably really appreciates it," Stinson said.

"I don't really give a [expletive]. . . . If they all want to go play a song and get their award, I would have no problem with it. Do I think I'm part of that? Hell no! It's all about the original band, and that's fine. It's all about 'Appetite,' really." ]



I have to commend guys like Tommy, Bumble, and DJ for their amicable attitude towards the old band the guys in it. They don't let Axl's disdain for certain guys rub off. Seems like they have a fairly realistic viewpoint on the whole thing, much more so than some people on this board actually.

Just because they said nice words about the past and that makes you feel all fuzzy inside doesn't mean anything. For all you know they just want to stay out of it. They are 100% on Axl's side.

Axl was so honored to induct and speak for Elton John at the 1994 Hall Of Fame. He thought it meant something then. A lot of people on here were saying positive things about the HOF until Axl decided it was not worth his time for whatever reason and then the posts started becoming negative about the Hall. I have been a fan since the beginning and really feel let down as I'm sure a lot of you do, but just pretend like it is the rocking cool rebel thing to do....yeah whatever. I'm sure no one will agree with me but oh well.   :-X

I've said the same.  The ppl who say it is so cool that he said "no" would also likely be on here saying how cool it was if he had said "yes".

No. Stop trolling now.

Axl was so honored to induct and speak for Elton John at the 1994 Hall Of Fame. He thought it meant something then. A lot of people on here were saying positive things about the HOF until Axl decided it was not worth his time for whatever reason and then the posts started becoming negative about the Hall. I have been a fan since the beginning and really feel let down as I'm sure a lot of you do, but just pretend like it is the rocking cool rebel thing to do....yeah whatever. I'm sure no one will agree with me but oh well.   :-X

RRHOF has gone way downhill since 1994 anyway. It's become a joke and I already knew this before this whole circus started with GNR.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 13, 2012, 12:15:06 PM
And to all those (Jarmo, for example) that keep saying the HOF is somehow disrespecting the new lineup by not inviting them, why not ask the new lineup instead of assuming what they think...

[In an interview prior to the show, latter-day GN'R bassist Tommy Stinson insisted that he couldn't care less about the Rock Hall or about excluding current members from the induction.

"Axl probably really appreciates it," Stinson said.

"I don't really give a [expletive]. . . . If they all want to go play a song and get their award, I would have no problem with it. Do I think I'm part of that? Hell no! It's all about the original band, and that's fine. It's all about 'Appetite,' really." ]


That's one way of seeing it.

It's not unlikely that Tommy doesn't give a fuck about this award.

On the other hand, sounds like this interview was done after the RNRHOF had announced who they thought was worthy of being inducted.

What is he supposed to say? "Yes, I'm sad, I wanted to be in there too!"? Really?



Just because the current band members understand the achievements of the old band, doesn't mean they would be totally indifferent to an accolade for their own achievements.





but just take a look of what really happened post 1993:
the band broke up and it took up 15 more years and many hired musicians for a new album release under the GN'R b(r)and name (with zero new releases in sight still!), including years and years of silence, rarely any communication or Axl talking, some cancelled shows/tours, some important CD members not in the band anymore...all not really worthy to be honoured and thats why the HOF decided to concentrate on the heyday of GN'R, the AFD/(early) UYI line-ups, rightfully being inducted.
using the "but the new band..."-excuse for disrespecting the glory past, which build up the GN'R monster and for what they're getting inducted, is out of line. you still can see the Slash-psychosis all-over and also in Axl's letter.


Let's refresh your memory a bit.

Very few bands have stable line ups. Some line ups of bands are more recognized because they were together at the right moment.

The AFD line up lasted for less than five years. They were working with different drummers in 1990. At least three different ones. Hired musicians playing with GN'R because Adler wasn't capable.

Just like Josh Freese, Martin Chambers didn't play a single show with GN'R. But he was there at some point. For example! Does that make Steven Adler less worthy? No....

Did you ever check your album liner notes? Check Use Your Illusion for example. Lots of "hired musicians" on those albums. What? Paul Tobias co-wrote one of those songs? No way! That's only something that happened after your heroes left!

The UYI line up lasted for for about a year. Izzy left in 1991, remember?

The albums features a drummer who wasn't in the band when the albums were released.

The band that were on the majority of the tour supporting the albums' release, didn't record the albums.

Does this sound familiar?


When you talk about line up changes, you conveniently forget that the old band changed members too. Within the time frame that you are celebrating. They cancelled shows, there were riots, there was controversy, there were "silent periods" when Axl didn't talk to the press etc.

You're trying to rewrite history.



Another thing that hasn't changed: Axl.


Thank God for that.




/jarmo






Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: volcano62 on April 13, 2012, 12:23:22 PM
Another thing that hasn't changed: Axl.


Thank God for that.




/jarmo






Indeed. This is why I respect the man so much. His integrity and ability to stick to his beliefs are unmatched by any other human being.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: WAR41 on April 13, 2012, 12:55:40 PM
You know, I am some one who initially was not happy about the letter.  It even bothered me... but now that its been a few days I realize that it really is just Axl being Axl.  I think the MTV article sums it up pretty well.  Love him or hate him, he isn't going to change.  I think that's why we always liked him and all incarnations of GNR.  Its our version of a soap opera. 

Like Duff said, you only have power over yourself.  Would I still have liked to see Axl on that stage?  Sure.  But he is doing what he believes is best for him, just like Slash, Duff, Matt and Steven believe that going to the ceremony is best for them.  You can feel disappointed, but you cannot be mad at him or any of the other guys.  No one is forcing any of these guys to do anything against their will. 

So to everyone in Cleveland this weekend have fun.  And congratulations to all GNR members being inducted this weekend (whether they want it or not  : ok:)!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: lostdream on April 13, 2012, 01:01:40 PM
Another thing that hasn't changed: Axl.


Thank God for that.




/jarmo






Indeed. This is why I respect the man so much. His integrity and ability to stick to his beliefs are unmatched by any other human being.

I think the whole life is about changes. Not to change doesn´t sound good to me.....sticking to one´s beliefs CAN be a good thing - but it can also mean being stubborn. Everybody has his or her own truth - which never means this IS the truth.....


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Ali on April 13, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
I can respect Axl not wanting to attend for the reasons that he indicated, but I think it is a mistake to decline induction altogether because it does disappoint fans, it does suggest disrespect, and it does give haters (more) ammunition to criticize. I personally think the wiser course would have been to say "thank you for the honor but I will not be able to attend." Leave it at that. To decline the induction is also awkward because without Axl the original band never would have gotten to HOF status. So, this move really kind of de-legitimizes the induction for the rest of the members.

In the end, the reward is only worth as much as each individual recipient deems it.
Doesn't seem that it means a whole lot to any of them personally, save for maybe Steven.
They've all said it's more about the fans.

Axl not showing does nothing to take away from what GN'R accomplished back then.
Axl obviously is not nominated if not for the work he helped create w Slash, Duff and company, and vice versa.

That era of GN'R to many is one of the greatest rock bands of all time. They didn't need to be inducted into a HOF to know that.
Agreed. 

A HOF for art seems weird to begin with.  You add the fact that the inductions or the artists/bands and individual members are inconsistent as hell, and it's hard to put much stock in this institution.

This isn't baseball or basketball or football or hockey where there are quantifiable statistics abound that you can objectively judge someone's performance by, this is music.  It's completely subjective!

Ali


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ITARocker on April 13, 2012, 01:43:31 PM

What is he supposed to say? "Yes, I'm sad, I wanted to be in there too!"? Really?


/jarmo



Is Tommy a liar?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 13, 2012, 01:44:31 PM
Another thing that hasn't changed: Axl.


Thank God for that.




/jarmo






Indeed. This is why I respect the man so much. His integrity and ability to stick to his beliefs are unmatched by any other human being.

In the history of the universe!?! Wow!  :o ::)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: manicstreet on April 13, 2012, 01:46:39 PM
Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 13, 2012, 01:58:59 PM
Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Never said that. Just pointed out how it was ok for GN'R to do things their way back in the day, and when similar things happen later without the old members in the band, it's suddenly a bigger deal for some fans.




Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Tough call. He plays on Ten, which is their most known album and also on some of their most known songs. But, as you pointed out, he wasn't in the band for long.

So which is more important? Playing on the "hit" album, or longevity?

If the RNRHOF uses the formula used for GN'R, he will be included.


The problem is that I don't understand their criteria. Other than "let's go for the one that gets us the most publicity".




Is Tommy a liar?

No.

Are you?



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 13, 2012, 02:06:10 PM



The problem is that I don't understand their criteria. Other than "let's go for the one that gets us the most publicity".




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame#Hall_of_Fame

Ha! There is no criteria. Read the "Controversies" section of the RnRHOF Wiki page, especially Fleetwood Mac. Some interesting choices they've made in the past.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LongGoneDay on April 13, 2012, 02:07:54 PM
Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Just to add my two cents, Krusen would get my (imaginary)vote.
I guess I'm biased, I think Ten was their strongest effort, but it certainly propelled them to stardom.

Matt Cameron is probably my favorite active drummer today, but he wouldn't get my vote to be inducted w/PJ, as they were already established long before his arrival.

He should be getting in w/Soundgarden if the HOF has any sense anyways. Who knows, though. They are all over the place.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 13, 2012, 02:09:11 PM
Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Just to add my two cents, Krusen would get my (imaginary)vote.
I guess I'm biased, I think Ten was their strongest effort, but it certainly propelled them to stardom.

Matt Cameron is probably my favorite active drummer today, but he wouldn't get my vote to be inducted w/PJ, as they were already established long before his arrival.

He should be getting in w/Soundgarden if the HOF has any sense anyways. Who knows, though. They are all over the place.

I really think you'll see Matt Cameron get in with both bands.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Verasa on April 13, 2012, 02:12:26 PM
Really happy for Axl.

Congrats for doing what you do. He knew the backlash was going to come and stood in the face of everyone and said Fu*k You!!! 

Axl is the last great Rock N Roll Frontman.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: volcano62 on April 13, 2012, 02:13:45 PM
Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Just to add my two cents, Krusen would get my (imaginary)vote.
I guess I'm biased, I think Ten was their strongest effort, but it certainly propelled them to stardom.

Matt Cameron is probably my favorite active drummer today, but he wouldn't get my vote to be inducted w/PJ, as they were already established long before his arrival.

He should be getting in w/Soundgarden if the HOF has any sense anyways. Who knows, though. They are all over the place.

I really think you'll see Matt Cameron get in with both bands.

Knowing the HOF he won't. Pearl Jam and Soundgarden may not get in for a looooooong time. Too many better bands waiting in line.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LongGoneDay on April 13, 2012, 02:13:57 PM
Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Just to add my two cents, Krusen would get my (imaginary)vote.
I guess I'm biased, I think Ten was their strongest effort, but it certainly propelled them to stardom.

Matt Cameron is probably my favorite active drummer today, but he wouldn't get my vote to be inducted w/PJ, as they were already established long before his arrival.

He should be getting in w/Soundgarden if the HOF has any sense anyways. Who knows, though. They are all over the place.

I really think you'll see Matt Cameron get in with both bands.

Yeah , wouldn't surprise me.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ITARocker on April 13, 2012, 03:18:48 PM


No.

/jarmo


So don't say/assume he's pretending he's happy for the induction of the afd line up or whatever. Stinson would be glad if Axl shows up  :yes: ::)


Anyway, who cares... I just hope it will be a good show. Slash, duff, steven, matt dizzy hopefully izzy and... Axl rising from the shadows :hihi:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 13, 2012, 03:31:06 PM
What the fuck are you talking about?

I never said he's pretending to be happy for the old band.

Don't pull stuff out of your ass just because you're still living in a fantasy world.





/jarmo



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Mysteron on April 13, 2012, 03:51:23 PM
Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Just to add my two cents, Krusen would get my (imaginary)vote.
I guess I'm biased, I think Ten was their strongest effort, but it certainly propelled them to stardom.

Matt Cameron is probably my favorite active drummer today, but he wouldn't get my vote to be inducted w/PJ, as they were already established long before his arrival.

He should be getting in w/Soundgarden if the HOF has any sense anyways. Who knows, though. They are all over the place.

I really think you'll see Matt Cameron get in with both bands.

Knowing the HOF he won't. Pearl Jam and Soundgarden may not get in for a looooooong time. Too many better bands waiting in line.

Pearl Jam 'Ten' is an influential release. They will be HOF'ed in 2016.

Soundgarden have not been mentioned


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: peter7411226 on April 13, 2012, 04:17:52 PM
Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Never said that. Just pointed out how it was ok for GN'R to do things their way back in the day, and when similar things happen later without the old members in the band, it's suddenly a bigger deal for some fans.




Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Tough call. He plays on Ten, which is their most known album and also on some of their most known songs. But, as you pointed out, he wasn't in the band for long.

So which is more important? Playing on the "hit" album, or longevity?

If the RNRHOF uses the formula used for GN'R, he will be included.


The problem is that I don't understand their criteria. Other than "let's go for the one that gets us the most publicity".




Is Tommy a liar?

No.

Are you?



/jarmo

Personally I feel that the people who should go in are the people who contributed the most to the legacy of the band. That should be the criteria. Dave Krusen played on 10 which made the band huge so he should be in. In terms of GNR, the original 5.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Perfect Criminal on April 13, 2012, 04:30:09 PM
If they want to induct GNR based on AFD, why not have a category within the HOF to induct just whole albums.  That way the album gets inducted (and not people) and there is no controversy.  I think this makes more sense than inducting band members.

PC


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: (paula) on April 13, 2012, 04:34:38 PM
Axl was so honored to induct and speak for Elton John at the 1994 Hall Of Fame. He thought it meant something then. A lot of people on here were saying positive things about the HOF until Axl decided it was not worth his time for whatever reason and then the posts started becoming negative about the Hall. I have been a fan since the beginning and really feel let down as I'm sure a lot of you do, but just pretend like it is the rocking cool rebel thing to do....yeah whatever. I'm sure no one will agree with me but oh well.   :-X

I've said the same.  The ppl who say it is so cool that he said "no" would also likely be on here saying how cool it was if he had said "yes".

Well Axl is the one who has to deal with the situation firsthand so I don't see anything wrong with supporting his choice either way. Of course we don't know what his specific issues were, but the Hall hasn't always shown respect to the bands they're honoring (and has neglected some deserving bands altogether), and it has diminished the meaning of the honor over the years.  Personally I think they should limit it to those who were most responsible for producing the bulk of the music.  In this case it would be Axl, Izzy, Slash, and Duff. They were there from the beginning, for more than one album, and wrote + performed the most songs. But if they're going to arbitrarily include Steven (one album, didn't write anything), Matt and Dizzy (not original members, didn't write anything), etc., I guess it wouldn't be a stretch to include the new band, too.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 13, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
If they want to induct GNR based on AFD, why not have a category within the HOF to induct just whole albums.  That way the album gets inducted (and not people) and there is no controversy.  I think this makes more sense than inducting band members.

PC

Yeah, but you would have the same bands getting inducted over and over for albums. For example, Led Zeppelin. Their first 4 albums at least could be in. That would get a tad repetitive.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bodhi on April 13, 2012, 04:59:04 PM
If they want to induct GNR based on AFD, why not have a category within the HOF to induct just whole albums.  That way the album gets inducted (and not people) and there is no controversy.  I think this makes more sense than inducting band members.

PC

Yeah, but you would have the same bands getting inducted over and over for albums. For example, Led Zeppelin. Their first 4 albums at least could be in. That would get a tad repetitive.

but nobody said they are getting inducted just for AFD, they should just leave the the HOF the way it is.  It is to honor the band.  The GNR situation is not exactly a common one, and probably not one that is going to happen again for a long time.  Sure there are always going to be artists who dont show up and have drama and all that, but the whole "which members deserve it" thing is not generally a problem as most bands dont have a complete turnover in the band members.

My opinion is do what Metallica did, they said if you played on a record you should get in.  I do think that policy fucked Dave Mustaine over in a way, as he played on their demo that got them signed, and also developed the bands sound with James, not to mention wrote a ton of material on the debut and follow up records.  But in most cases the "if you played on a record" policy should work.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Silverchair on April 13, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
I don't get why people just can't let it go.

Speculate all you want. Waste your time and energy on this.

NO REUNION. It's over. Let it go. Whatever the reason, whoever is responsible. Who cares?

It what it is.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 13, 2012, 05:35:18 PM

NO REUNION.

 :confused: did i miss someting  :hihi:

only joking  : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: wadey on April 13, 2012, 05:46:59 PM
So who will replace Axl if the rest of the guys need a singer

http://popdust.com/2012/04/12/guns-n-roses-axl-rose-rock-hall-performance-scott-weiland-lana-del-ray/

Scott Weiland - even money
Kid Rock 5/1
Josh Todd 15/1
Fred Durst 25/1
Lana Del Ray 50/1
Axl Rose 75/1

just thought i'd share  :hihi:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: sjgotnitro on April 13, 2012, 06:01:32 PM
So who will replace Axl if the rest of the guys need a singer

http://popdust.com/2012/04/12/guns-n-roses-axl-rose-rock-hall-performance-scott-weiland-lana-del-ray/

Scott Weiland - even money
Kid Rock 5/1
Josh Todd 15/1
Fred Durst 25/1
Lana Del Ray 50/1
Axl Rose 75/1

just thought i'd share  :hihi:

Sol lol he can't be replaced.  Many have attempted, but all have failed.  :peace: there is only one Axl rose  :smoking:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FunkyMonkey on April 13, 2012, 06:06:18 PM
According to the article in Forbes Magazine...Axl decided early on he wouldn't attend.

Axl Rose Exclusive: "Hates" Slash, Won't Do Rock Hall Induction

4/11/2012

Axl Rose, the leader and founder of Guns n Roses, told me in January that he wouldn’t go to the Rock and Roll  Hall of Fame induction. I didn’t believe  him. He told me he hated Slash, the famed guitarist who co founded the band with him, and refused to attend. He told me, everyone who would listen, including Steven Tyler. We were at a pre-Golden Globe party. I’d never met Axl before. He was accessible and fun. But he was obsessed with Slash, claimed that he’d interfered with Axl’s creativity and taken control of the band. Now Axl tours with Guns n Roses but without Slash, who went onto the group Velvet Revolver, and who guest stars on other peoples’ records. Gun n Roses always had a rocky history. Early on they forced out drummer Steven Adler. Their catalog is thin. Their best song, “November Rain,” came out in 1986. I’m sure I’ll get emails of protest. But the infighting has made them a cult group. They could have had a Stones or Zeppelin type legacy. But they are left in tatters. As for Axl Rose, he wasn’t kidding–he told me that night he wouldn’t play on stage with Slash. And he stuck to his Guns. And Roses.

Here’s Axl’s letter to the Rock Hall:......

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/04/11/axl-rose-exclusive-hates-slash-wont-do-rock-hall-induction/


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Ali on April 13, 2012, 06:13:45 PM
According to the article in Forbes Magazine...Axl decided early on he wouldn't attend.

Axl Rose Exclusive: "Hates" Slash, Won't Do Rock Hall Induction

4/11/2012

Axl Rose, the leader and founder of Guns n Roses, told me in January that he wouldn’t go to the Rock and Roll  Hall of Fame induction. I didn’t believe  him. He told me he hated Slash, the famed guitarist who co founded the band with him, and refused to attend. He told me, everyone who would listen, including Steven Tyler. We were at a pre-Golden Globe party. I’d never met Axl before. He was accessible and fun. But he was obsessed with Slash, claimed that he’d interfered with Axl’s creativity and taken control of the band. Now Axl tours with Guns n Roses but without Slash, who went onto the group Velvet Revolver, and who guest stars on other peoples’ records. Gun n Roses always had a rocky history. Early on they forced out drummer Steven Adler. Their catalog is thin. Their best song, “November Rain,” came out in 1986. I’m sure I’ll get emails of protest. But the infighting has made them a cult group. They could have had a Stones or Zeppelin type legacy. But they are left in tatters. As for Axl Rose, he wasn’t kidding–he told me that night he wouldn’t play on stage with Slash. And he stuck to his Guns. And Roses.

Here’s Axl’s letter to the Rock Hall:......

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/04/11/axl-rose-exclusive-hates-slash-wont-do-rock-hall-induction/


Did you notice that this very same article said NR came out in '86?  :hihi:

Ali


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FunkyMonkey on April 13, 2012, 06:16:09 PM

Did you notice that this very same article said NR came out in '86?  :hihi:

Ali

That doesn't mean he didn't have the conversation.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRBABY on April 13, 2012, 06:28:41 PM
Jarmo has a tough job on this thread! What he is saying about the HOF only inducting the 1986 - 1994 (we'll call it) lineup, is that for all other bands they inducted the entire body of their work. This is an insult to all GNR lineups. I don't know why they would do this. Why they live in a fantasy world. The reality is that GNR still tour and release albums today in 2012, as does the RHCP for example. How could they induct Metallica or Pearl Jam and not induct the people who replaced the original lineup when they made contributions? This is insulting. Plain and simple. Now I know why Axl said NO!  : ok:

... I still don't think he should have written that silly letter though.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Hudson on April 13, 2012, 06:40:51 PM
I think it would have been cool if the original members would have been inducted now, and then maybe 25 years after the release of CD and hopefully other music from these members, the HOF could re-induct the members responsible for CD and any new music from that point forward. It would be unprecedented and would have been even more bad ass to attain the level of success if this version of GNR could make a similar stamp on the music industry as the line ups for AFD and UYI albums. two inductions for the same band. 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ATREAL1_1 on April 13, 2012, 06:50:54 PM
I'm a huge fan and supporter of Axl, Chinese Democracy, the new band, and I’ll be first in line for the new album. Also, I don’t care to see a Reunion with the original line-up. With all the being said, this letter is a complete joke.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 13, 2012, 06:56:32 PM
Jarmo has a tough job on this thread! What he is saying about the HOF only inducting the 1986 - 1994 (we'll call it) lineup, is that for all other bands they inducted the entire body of their work. This is an insult to all GNR lineups.

Not all other bands. Only Ozzy, Tony, Geezer and Bill were inducted as Black Sabbath.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 13, 2012, 07:02:01 PM
Without the current band there would be no GNR. No tour. No records.

Would you elaborate on this more. Your 'records' comment. As to my knowledge, Chinese Democracy is the only album the current band has released. The only studio album released since 1993. Almost 20 years.

"Oh My God."

You really think that CD is the ONLY music the band have completed since 1993?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Drew on April 13, 2012, 07:15:56 PM
"Oh My God."

You really think that CD is the ONLY music the band have completed since 1993?

You said records. Have you forgotten already?

"Oh My God" is a song.

Can you elaborate more?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Will on April 13, 2012, 07:25:41 PM
I think it's interesting Axl had to write a letter to explain all this. It was very obvious to me, and I think to anyone who has been following the band these past 20 years.

Of course he wouldn't show up and/ or play with Slash and all on stage...What's interesting for me is that some people actually thought it would happen...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 13, 2012, 07:38:43 PM
What's interesting for me is that some people actually thought it would happen...

And many of them are "old GN'R fans".

People who should know. People who make fun of real GN'R fans for living in fantasy land.

Priceless.





/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: volcano62 on April 13, 2012, 07:46:54 PM
Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Just to add my two cents, Krusen would get my (imaginary)vote.
I guess I'm biased, I think Ten was their strongest effort, but it certainly propelled them to stardom.

Matt Cameron is probably my favorite active drummer today, but he wouldn't get my vote to be inducted w/PJ, as they were already established long before his arrival.

He should be getting in w/Soundgarden if the HOF has any sense anyways. Who knows, though. They are all over the place.

I really think you'll see Matt Cameron get in with both bands.

Knowing the HOF he won't. Pearl Jam and Soundgarden may not get in for a looooooong time. Too many better bands waiting in line.

Pearl Jam 'Ten' is an influential release. They will be HOF'ed in 2016.

Soundgarden have not been mentioned

You have a point. Pearl Jam is much more ground breaking than Soundgarden.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Butch Français on April 13, 2012, 08:15:38 PM
Without the current band there would be no GNR. No tour. No records.

Would you elaborate on this more. Your 'records' comment. As to my knowledge, Chinese Democracy is the only album the current band has released. The only studio album released since 1993. Almost 20 years.

"Oh My God."

You really think that CD is the ONLY music the band have completed since 1993?

in this shitfaced world, you can only go by evidence...so i say, yes!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Ali on April 13, 2012, 08:25:49 PM

Did you notice that this very same article said NR came out in '86?  :hihi:

Ali

That doesn't mean he didn't have the conversation.


No, it doesn't. I wasn't trying to imply that. I just think it is funny that there was such an obvious mistake. Mistakes like that don't help vouch for the veracity of his claims. Not to mention this guy's horseshit defense for downloading Wolverine.

Ali


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: icpillusions on April 13, 2012, 08:37:12 PM
I have mixed feelings. This is an honor for Axl and GnR. I don't know the whole story so I can't talk on his behalf. I can say that it would've been nice to see my favorite frontman accepting an award that he deserves. Slash must've done way more than we know about to cause this much hate in a man.  On the other hand, I like to see Axl doing his Rockstar thing and not want to be inducted. That is awesome. Like I said, mixed feelings.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Jay Tea on April 13, 2012, 08:38:03 PM
Sorry if this point already made. No time to read full thread.


Chinese Democracy is an EXTREMELY famous Rock N' Roll album.

@HOF If you have a top hat in that GNR display case you should have an upside down KFC bucket right next to it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bridge on April 13, 2012, 08:44:29 PM
But if they're going to arbitrarily include Steven (one album, didn't write anything),

Arbitrarily?  Steven was the original drummer who played on the first TWO albums (Appetite and GNR Lies) and toured with the band from 1985-1990.  And you're wrong, Steven was a cowriter on all the involved songs -- and is credited as such.  And don't give me any of that "but he didn't REALLY write" shit.  It's old.  The band split their writing credits five ways because of what they all brought to the table when assembling the songs.  That includes Axl too.... he got writing credits for songs that he didn't initially conceive (e.g. "Think About You" and "It's So Easy").


Did you notice that this very same article said NR came out in '86?  :hihi:

Ali

That doesn't mean he didn't have the conversation.

No, it means that it's a poorly written article, and even if he DID have the conversation (which is dubious), Axl probably didn't know he was being "interviewed" for a magazine, and also, it means that a lot is probably misquoted and out of context.  I noticed that Axl wasn't quoted once in the article, we just have the jabroni who wrote it telling us what Axl allegedly said.

No, it doesn't. I wasn't trying to imply that. I just think it is funny that there was such an obvious mistake. Mistakes like that don't help vouch for the veracity of his claims. Not to mention this guy's horseshit defense for downloading Wolverine.

Another thing that weakens this yahoo's credibility is the potshots that he takes at Guns N Roses.  The latter half of the article does nothing but offer badly written criticisms of the band.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Jay Tea on April 13, 2012, 08:55:02 PM
And i hate hate hate to even bring up the word "reunion" on this section of HTGTH but i'd like to share my response from an argument I had with a fellow GNR fanatic on my facebook page when I re-posted Axl's letter. Read it if you like.

---

J.T. :
I completely empathize with Axl. I came up with the following comparison while Tommy Rockstar and I were talking after the amazing Guns 'N' Roses Webster Hall gig at 5am. There are one or two people in my life whom I am positive I should never be in the same room with again. It's a proven fact that no good can come of it. These people were my friends these, people were extremely important to my life. They have helped me become who I am. in some ways they have helped advance my career. But they have proven to be not worthy of my trust or friendship and I simply had to make a decision to remove them from my life.  I'm proud to say I've stuck with that decision. No one besides myself knows the extent of how I felt wronged or lied to. most of the people who know the situations have taken my side or just plain don't care. Thankfully I'm not in the position that Axl is in where millions upon millions of people are calling him names for making a hard choice about his own life.

I think we as fans are lucky enough that for an unmatched 3 hours and 15 minutes a show this multi-millionaire responds to our demands of DANCE FOR ME MONKEY. I don't think we need to make further demands of when and with whom the monkey dances.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Ali on April 13, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
But if they're going to arbitrarily include Steven (one album, didn't write anything),

Arbitrarily?  Steven was the original drummer who played on the first TWO albums (Appetite and GNR Lies) and toured with the band from 1985-1990.  And you're wrong, Steven was a cowriter on all the involved songs -- and is credited as such.  And don't give me any of that "but he didn't REALLY write" shit.  It's old.  The band split their writing credits five ways because of what they all brought to the table when assembling the songs.  That includes Axl too.... he got writing credits for songs that he didn't initially conceive (e.g. "Think About You" and "It's So Easy").


Did you notice that this very same article said NR came out in '86?  :hihi:

Ali

That doesn't mean he didn't have the conversation.

No, it means that it's a poorly written article, and even if he DID have the conversation (which is dubious), Axl probably didn't know he was being "interviewed" for a magazine, and also, it means that a lot is probably misquoted and out of context.  I noticed that Axl wasn't quoted once in the article, we just have the jabroni who wrote it telling us what Axl allegedly said.

No, it doesn't. I wasn't trying to imply that. I just think it is funny that there was such an obvious mistake. Mistakes like that don't help vouch for the veracity of his claims. Not to mention this guy's horseshit defense for downloading Wolverine.

Another thing that weakens this yahoo's credibility is the potshots that he takes at Guns N Roses.  The latter half of the article does nothing but offer badly written criticisms of the band.
You think that's bad, read his explanation on why he did not download Wolverine:

I did not download anything. I found Wolverine on the internet by accident on Wednesday night. I was looking for something else—info on another movie, which had a link to this site. I simply pressed "play" and when I realized it really was Wolverine, I skipped watching Lost and watched this instead. Afterwards I discovered that the Times had written about it earlier that evening. I guess what I did was called streaming. But there was no downloading. I am fervently anti-piracy, have written extensively about this, and spent too much money at amazon's mp3 site. Please let's clear up this misconception.

Ali


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 13, 2012, 10:06:08 PM
"Oh My God."

You really think that CD is the ONLY music the band have completed since 1993?

You said records. Have you forgotten already?

"Oh My God" is a song.

Can you elaborate more?

Sure. You're trying to be pedantic on a point of no consequence. Give up.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: bigdog2003 on April 14, 2012, 12:02:03 PM
I'm surprised at how supportive everyone is of Axl's letter. It would have been big of him to put issues aside and perform 2 or 3 songs to put closure to the legacy of what made Guns N Roses great and move on.  Yes, you're right that he has the right do whatever he wants for whatever his reasons are but he wants to be good to fans under his conditions and doesn't care about what fans want.  And it's fans who grew up with GNR in 1988 - 1993 that made him who he is today, rather than the few fans who purchased Chinese Democracy.  He clearly has a resentment toward "old gnr" and "old gnr" fans.  Don't let the words in that letter fool you, half of it was written by a lawyer (how Rock N Roll), re-read it and say with a straight face these are Axl's words. (below is just one example)

I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of “Guns N’ Roses”.

I will continue to support his versions of GNR and I'm beyond, like most of you that the old band would ever do anything more than event like this (Like Pink Floyd). Whether most of you want to admit it or not we all know Axl can be a d*ck and much of what was written in that letter proves it again.  If he insisted on not going he could have provided a letter like Izzy's.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 14, 2012, 12:11:29 PM
It's always easy to say "put things aside and perform" when you haven't had to live the experience.

I mean, we don't know everything that happened, we weren't there. And for some of you to just say "put it aside" is a bit too simplistic.


It probably becomes even worse when certain people are just piling more and more shit on top of all the past shit during the months leading up to the event....




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: freddiebrph on April 14, 2012, 12:18:21 PM
I'm surprised at how supportive everyone is of Axl's letter. It would have been big of him to put issues aside and perform 2 or 3 songs to put closure to the legacy of what made Guns N Roses great and move on.  Yes, you're right that he has the right do whatever he wants for whatever his reasons are but he wants to be good to fans under his conditions and doesn't care about what fans want.  And it's fans who grew up with GNR in 1988 - 1993 that made him who he is today, rather than the few fans who purchased Chinese Democracy.  He clearly has a resentment toward "old gnr" and "old gnr" fans.  Don't let the words in that letter fool you, half of it was written by a lawyer (how Rock N Roll), re-read it and say with a straight face these are Axl's words. (below is just one example)

I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of “Guns N’ Roses”.

I will continue to support his versions of GNR and I'm beyond, like most of you that the old band would ever do anything more than event like this (Like Pink Floyd). Whether most of you want to admit it or not we all know Axl can be a d*ck and much of what was written in that letter proves it again.  If he insisted on not going he could have provided a letter like Izzy's.
He sure can be, and unless he has a big surprise up his sleeve, he is poroving it again.  Its sad, i live toward Cleveland and the event is getting such coverage.  The news keep saying how great it is to have all the rock royalty in town foir this event AND THEIR FANS,  Its sad that he really doesnt give a shit about fans.  You can debate all you want about why the real band broke up, but if they show and he doesnt for the award, HE will be the one that ruined this moment.  He has done everything he can to keep the name and insist that he is gnr, well gnr is getting a big award, where are you mr gnr?  The saddest part is, i still believe he will show. 


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 14, 2012, 12:33:03 PM
Once again, the old "he doesn't care for the fans" bullshit.

Don't talk on my behalf.

I think he cares a lot about the fans. It's pretty obvious. Count the number of times the word fans appeared in his letter.



Just because he doesn't reunite the old band doesn't mean he doesn't care about the fans.
Those two things are not the same thing.


Also, show me where Axl said he thinks he is GN'R.

I wanna see that quote since so many of you keep saying it as it's a fact.

How come none of you ever say: "Slash thought GN'R was him, he took his songs and left thinking GN'R would end with him leaving"?



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 14, 2012, 01:02:16 PM
It's always easy to say "put things aside and perform" when you haven't had to live the experience.

I mean, we don't know everything that happened, we weren't there. And for some of you to just say "put it aside" is a bit too simplistic.


It probably becomes even worse when certain people are just piling more and more shit on top of all the past shit during the months leading up to the event....

/jarmo


Exactly. I've been through painful, expensive, and emotionally damaging seperations (both professionally and personally), and no amount of money in the world or reflected glory, could EVER entice me to meet the people involved again. What makes any of us think that Axl is in any way different? Nothing.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: westii.de.bestii on April 14, 2012, 03:58:19 PM

I think he cares a lot about the fans. It's pretty obvious. Count the number of times the word fans appeared in his letter.


So what you're saying? That he cares about fans just because he used the 'fans' word? Interesting theory. Don't you think he could care a little bit more by not delaying shows, not cancelling shows, not stopping shows, but probably most of all, by not insulting fans who also support Slash? Those who like them both may feel insulted when hearing their idol who 'cares' about them say all the nasty crap.

And hey, look how many times I used the letter A. Looks like I care about it.


How come none of you ever say: "Slash thought GN'R was him, he took his songs and left thinking GN'R would end with him leaving"?


Because that would not be true. The reason Slash left was because he couldn't have worked with Axl anymore. He stayed as long as he could and did as much as he could to keep the band alive. Don't forget that the other guys left as well.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Drew on April 14, 2012, 04:02:29 PM
"Oh My God."

You really think that CD is the ONLY music the band have completed since 1993?

You said records. Have you forgotten already?

"Oh My God" is a song.

Can you elaborate more?

Sure. You're trying to be pedantic on a point of no consequence. Give up.

I didn't think you could. You made a false statement and tried to back it up with a song. Just clarifying the obvious of your statement. The current GN'R lineup has released one album, not records as you stated.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: JSMastro on April 14, 2012, 04:10:20 PM
Jarmo you speak the thoughts & feelings of many of us who admire & respect Axl and also the current lineup.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FunkyMonkey on April 14, 2012, 04:11:07 PM

Did you notice that this very same article said NR came out in '86?  :hihi:

Ali

That doesn't mean he didn't have the conversation.

No, it doesn't. I wasn't trying to imply that. I just think it is funny that there was such an obvious mistake. Mistakes like that don't help vouch for the veracity of his claims.


So he got the date wrong, I'm guessing he's not a fan -- it's Forbes Magazine.  Still, doesn't mean he didn't have the conversation.



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 14, 2012, 04:18:03 PM
So what you're saying? That he cares about fans just because he used the 'fans' word? Interesting theory. Don't you think he could care a little bit more by not delaying shows, not cancelling shows, not stopping shows, but probably most of all, by not insulting fans who also support Slash? Those who like them both may feel insulted when hearing their idol who 'cares' about them say all the nasty crap.


Twisting my words. If he writes a letter TO THE FANS, he obviously cares since he's addressing a letter to us.

If he didn't care, there would be no letter. Pretty simple logic.  :)




Fans are insulted because Axl has issues with Slash?

If that's the case, it goes both ways. Slash lying about Axl must be disrespectful to GN'R fans. Right?


Show me a band who hasn't canceled shows. Doesn't mean they don't care about their fans.

Starting late? Been explained multiple times. Yes, GN'R usually starts their shows after 10PM. Nothing new.




Because that would not be true. The reason Slash left was because he couldn't have worked with Axl anymore. He stayed as long as he could and did as much as he could to keep the band alive. Don't forget that the other guys left as well.


And all the guys who left have been in multiple bands since then. Can't they get along with people?

I guess Slash's Snakepit, Velvet Revolver, Adler's Appetite and so on changing members, breaking up is also "Axl's fault"?

 ::)


You sound like somebody who read Slash's book and believed every word.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ecwfan on April 14, 2012, 04:23:23 PM
        I think we all knew that Axl would never share a stage again with Slash. It wasn't gonna happen. Also from whats been detailed , I think Rose likely saw a show he'd have no control over. Green Day from what I read will induct the band (No  Rolling Stones ? No Elton John ? No Buckcherry or the Killers ?) . I think it would have been better had Jann Wenner came to Rose in person and laid it out what he wanted to make the appearance happen. Instead it seems like the Hall of Fame did all these plans and wouldn't give the band going in a chance.

          I do expect a shitty cover of Welcome to the Jungle by "Green Day" ahead. But I stand by Axl Rose's stance here. Why show up for something if your not in control of it ? Why be set up to piss fans off if you don't perform ? So I give him props for saying , fuck it. Take my name off and induct everyone else.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: overmatik on April 14, 2012, 05:14:24 PM
Actually the only problem with Axl's letter was the timing, releasing it just a few days prior to the Ceremony left lots of people hoping for a reunion, something that anyone claiming to be a real GNR fan should know it will NEVER happen.

Other than that, the Hall of Shame is a scam and Sex Pistols denounced them years ago. So fuck the Hall of Shame!  :rant:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: westii.de.bestii on April 14, 2012, 05:17:50 PM

Fans are insulted because Axl has issues with Slash?

If that's the case, it goes both ways. Slash lying about Axl must be disrespectful to GN'R fans. Right?

In this case, the lies go usually one way. Slash never insults Axl, and Axl likes to say a word or two about Slash whenever he's got a chance. Also I don't think Slash lies about Axl. Can't think of anything Slash said that would not be true. And he never said that Axl's supporters can go you know where and do you know what.



Show me a band who hasn't canceled shows. Doesn't mean they don't care about their fans.

Starting late? Been explained multiple times. Yes, GN'R usually starts their shows after 10PM. Nothing new.

But you have to honestly say that GN'R cancelled a hell more of the shows than the regular rock band out there, and for reasons beyond understanding. Especially a band this big. And being late has been explained? Sorry, but I don't buy that. Maybe you should be late to work every other day and try to 'explain' to your boss why you come in 1 or 2 hours late. Because you want to give your best? Please...



And all the guys who left have been in multiple bands since then. Can't they get along with people?

Can't Axl? Can't he just shake hands? Whatever happened, happened more than 15 jears ago. Wouldn't it be good time to do that? Not for reunion because nobody wants it. Just because, just to prove that he really left that behind him.



You sound like somebody who read Slash's book and believed every word.

I sound like someone who read more books, interviews, watched clips, videos, etc. all the way from the AFD glory days to Rn'R HoF induction. All you have to do is just sum up the facts.

You know, it's like me saying 'you sound like someone who believes absolutely every word Axl says'. How's that sound?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Loaded NightraiN on April 14, 2012, 05:25:30 PM
Slash never insults Axl, and Axl likes to say a word or two about Slash whenever he's got a chance. Also I don't think Slash lies about Axl. Can't think of anything Slash said that would not be true.

Like the time Slash denied he ever went to Axls house, only to admit later that he did?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 14, 2012, 05:54:15 PM
In this case, the lies go usually one way. Slash never insults Axl, and Axl likes to say a word or two about Slash whenever he's got a chance. Also I don't think Slash lies about Axl. Can't think of anything Slash said that would not be true. And he never said that Axl's supporters can go you know where and do you know what.


Of course you can't.

You have two posts on here and both are about this.  ::)






But you have to honestly say that GN'R cancelled a hell more of the shows than the regular rock band out there, and for reasons beyond understanding. Especially a band this big.


Eddie Vedder just postponed a whole tour. He doesn't care about his fans?


Velvet Revolver canceled a tour because people were in rehab and they lied about it.

These things happen.


And being late has been explained? Sorry, but I don't buy that. Maybe you should be late to work every other day and try to 'explain' to your boss why you come in 1 or 2 hours late. Because you want to give your best? Please...

You don't buy it. Good to know.

Bad analogy.



By the way, since you're new here, stop wasting everybody's time with this shit.

Most true GN'R fans know the deal.




Can't Axl? Can't he just shake hands? Whatever happened, happened more than 15 jears ago. Wouldn't it be good time to do that? Not for reunion because nobody wants it. Just because, just to prove that he really left that behind him.


How about the people who spent years talking shit shut up and take responsibility for their actions?






I sound like someone who read more books, interviews, watched clips, videos, etc. all the way from the AFD glory days to Rn'R HoF induction. All you have to do is just sum up the facts.

You know, it's like me saying 'you sound like someone who believes absolutely every word Axl says'. How's that sound?


So, in your opinion, reading stuff, even things that are bullshit and basing your opinion on them is ok.

Got it.



I don't care what you think of me.




/jarmo




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 14, 2012, 05:58:10 PM
"Oh My God."

You really think that CD is the ONLY music the band have completed since 1993?

You said records. Have you forgotten already?

"Oh My God" is a song.

Can you elaborate more?

Sure. You're trying to be pedantic on a point of no consequence. Give up.

I didn't think you could. You made a false statement and tried to back it up with a song. Just clarifying the obvious of your statement. The current GN'R lineup has released one album, not records as you stated.

I used the word "records" to describe the release of recorded music, it's not a false statement unless you're being OCD pedantic to try and agitate an argument. On the other hand, typical trolling is to latch on and obsess upon one word in a long discussion and use it to try and derail the general direction of conversation. Won't work here and not with me.

You're making a big hoo-ha out of a generalised plural. Post 96 GNR have released more than one record - so yes, "records" is correct by my interpretation, and not by yours. so. BFD.

Now, to be blunt, the current lineup of GNR haven't released anything : DJ Ashba joined after the release of "Chinese Democracy."

But, if you want to live in the real world, post Slash GNR have been prolific on stage with hundreds of shows, and at least 16 new songs, in the form of an album, "Oh My God", the played-live-but-not-released "Silkworms" and those leaked demos.

If you want to try and undermine any statement I have made by latching onto a turn-of-phrase where our interpretations of what that word means, jog on. You're wasting your time.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: westii.de.bestii on April 14, 2012, 06:16:18 PM
Well, your entire post can just be sumed up like this:

You sound like someone who believes in absolutely everything that Axl says.



By the way, since you're new here, stop wasting everybody's time with this shit.

Just like everyone else here, I can have my opinion.



Eddie Vedder just postponed a whole tour. He doesn't care about his fans?

Velvet Revolver canceled a tour because people were in rehab and they lied about it.

These things happen.

And tell us Axl's reasons to cancel shows. BTW postponing is not cancelling.



So, in your opinion, reading stuff, even things that are bullshit and basing your opinion on them is ok.

What about videos, interviews on tv, version of events told by people who witnessed everything first hand? Is that bullshit just because it differs from Axl's opinion?

ok, just like you said


Got it.





Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 14, 2012, 06:22:25 PM
If I remember rightly, the 2001 Euro shows (which I booked 5 shows for), were on sale and officially cancelled due to Buckethead needing an operation. But I think Axl said later that the contracts were signed without his knowledge by a manager he sacked.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 14, 2012, 06:31:40 PM
You sound like someone who believes in absolutely everything that Axl says.

I tend to believe the person who's not changing his story. :)



Just like everyone else here, I can have my opinion.

Your opinion, has nothing to do with the letter.

Your opinion is more of the same that a specific group of fans keep repeating year after year.

I bet most of whom would not have any complaints about "late starts" or the setlist if it had been the AFD5 performing the shows. You're just looking for stuff to whine about.




And tell us Axl's reasons to cancel shows. BTW postponing is not cancelling.

There's been everything from production issues at the venues (which are out of Axl's and the band's control) to stages collapsing.

You go on about this like it's something big, a big dirty secret that you have discovered.

Go ahead, show me how GN'R is canceling a lot more shows than any other band is.

Axl hasn't canceled a single show on this current tour. Prove me wrong.

Asia, Canada, Latin America (2 Central America shows were canceled, not Axl's fault), Europe, Australia, Middle East, Latin America, North America (2 shows canceled, once again, not Axl's fault) and USA.


What about videos, interviews on tv, version of events told by people who witnessed everything first hand? Is that bullshit just because it differs from Axl's opinion?

Even Duff writes in his book that that's his version of what happened....  :)







/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: overmatik on April 14, 2012, 06:50:33 PM
This cancellation discussion is so over...  :yes:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Drew on April 14, 2012, 07:43:14 PM
I used the word "records" to describe the release of recorded music, it's not a false statement unless you're being OCD pedantic to try and agitate an argument. On the other hand, typical trolling is to latch on and obsess upon one word in a long discussion and use it to try and derail the general direction of conversation. Won't work here and not with me.

You're making a big hoo-ha out of a generalised plural. Post 96 GNR have released more than one record - so yes, "records" is correct by my interpretation, and not by yours. so. BFD.

Now, to be blunt, the current lineup of GNR haven't released anything : DJ Ashba joined after the release of "Chinese Democracy."

But, if you want to live in the real world, post Slash GNR have been prolific on stage with hundreds of shows, and at least 16 new songs, in the form of an album, "Oh My God", the played-live-but-not-released "Silkworms" and those leaked demos.

If you want to try and undermine any statement I have made by latching onto a turn-of-phrase where our interpretations of what that word means, jog on. You're wasting your time.

This was your original statement:
Without the current band there would be no GNR. No tour. No records.

And yes, it remains a false statement no matter how much you try to twist it.

You should have said music instead of records in regards to the new GN'R. My question for you to elaborate had nothing to do with how many shows the new GN'R have played or how many demos have been leaked. Again, you said without the current band there would be no 'records' which still remains to be a false statement. It's not undermining, it's not latching onto a turn-of-phrase, or misinterpreting what you said. The fact is, the new GN'R have not released new records, but only one record.

To turn and attack someone in a simple conversation by being asked to elaborate more when caught in an obvious miss-statement isn't a class move.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Ali on April 14, 2012, 07:45:49 PM

Did you notice that this very same article said NR came out in '86?  :hihi:

Ali

That doesn't mean he didn't have the conversation.

No, it doesn't. I wasn't trying to imply that. I just think it is funny that there was such an obvious mistake. Mistakes like that don't help vouch for the veracity of his claims.


So he got the date wrong, I'm guessing he's not a fan -- it's Forbes Magazine.  Still, doesn't mean he didn't have the conversation.





Never said he didn't. But, if he's inaccurate about that, it means he could be inaccurate about other aspects of the story, like Axl saying "I may not be going" instead of "I am definitely not going". This guy isn't exactly a bastion of journalistic accuracy. See what happened to him with his Fox News job. I'm sure he had the talk. I'm not sure everything he says he remembers precisely.

Ali


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FunkyMonkey on April 14, 2012, 08:05:26 PM

Never said he didn't. But, if he's inaccurate about that, it means he could be inaccurate about other aspects of the story, like Axl saying "I may not be going" instead of "I am definitely not going".


He got a date wrong, so now the rest of article is inaccurate?  And at this point I don't even remember what he said....may or definitely. :hihi:



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 14, 2012, 08:09:50 PM
I used the word "records" to describe the release of recorded music, it's not a false statement unless you're being OCD pedantic to try and agitate an argument. On the other hand, typical trolling is to latch on and obsess upon one word in a long discussion and use it to try and derail the general direction of conversation. Won't work here and not with me.

You're making a big hoo-ha out of a generalised plural. Post 96 GNR have released more than one record - so yes, "records" is correct by my interpretation, and not by yours. so. BFD.

Now, to be blunt, the current lineup of GNR haven't released anything : DJ Ashba joined after the release of "Chinese Democracy."

But, if you want to live in the real world, post Slash GNR have been prolific on stage with hundreds of shows, and at least 16 new songs, in the form of an album, "Oh My God", the played-live-but-not-released "Silkworms" and those leaked demos.

If you want to try and undermine any statement I have made by latching onto a turn-of-phrase where our interpretations of what that word means, jog on. You're wasting your time.

This was your original statement:
Without the current band there would be no GNR. No tour. No records.

And yes, it remains a false statement no matter how much you try to twist it.

You should have said music instead of records in regards to the new GN'R. My question for you to elaborate had nothing to do with how many shows the new GN'R have played or how many demos have been leaked. Again, you said without the current band there would be no 'records' which still remains to be a false statement. It's not undermining, it's not latching onto a turn-of-phrase, or misinterpreting what you said. The fact is, the new GN'R have not released new records, but only one record.

To turn and attack someone in a simple conversation by being asked to elaborate more when caught in an obvious miss-statement isn't a class move.

Fine. Get hung up on the fact that you interpret a word I used a different way to the way I use that word, and get over it. Since 1996 they have released "Chinese Democracy" as an album, and "Oh My God". That's more than one. That's plural. That's records. So get over it, because it really isn't a big deal to anyone but you.   I can't make it any simpler than that, and if that's too difficult for you to grasp so be it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Ali on April 14, 2012, 08:19:34 PM

Never said he didn't. But, if he's inaccurate about that, it means he could be inaccurate about other aspects of the story, like Axl saying "I may not be going" instead of "I am definitely not going".


He got a date wrong, so now the rest of article is inaccurate?  And at this point I don't even remember what he said....may or definitely. :hihi:



No, not all of it necessarily. If he made one mistake, it's possible he made  another, that's all I'm saying. You'll note he didn't provide a direct quote....whatever it was that was said :)

Ali


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Jay Tea on April 14, 2012, 09:47:15 PM
i really look forward to moving conversations about stupid junkies that quit/got fired in a different century back to the "Wasn't Yesterday Great" section.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRBABY on April 14, 2012, 10:39:37 PM
I used the word "records" to describe the release of recorded music, it's not a false statement unless you're being OCD pedantic to try and agitate an argument. On the other hand, typical trolling is to latch on and obsess upon one word in a long discussion and use it to try and derail the general direction of conversation. Won't work here and not with me.

You're making a big hoo-ha out of a generalised plural. Post 96 GNR have released more than one record - so yes, "records" is correct by my interpretation, and not by yours. so. BFD.

Now, to be blunt, the current lineup of GNR haven't released anything : DJ Ashba joined after the release of "Chinese Democracy."

But, if you want to live in the real world, post Slash GNR have been prolific on stage with hundreds of shows, and at least 16 new songs, in the form of an album, "Oh My God", the played-live-but-not-released "Silkworms" and those leaked demos.

If you want to try and undermine any statement I have made by latching onto a turn-of-phrase where our interpretations of what that word means, jog on. You're wasting your time.

This was your original statement:
Without the current band there would be no GNR. No tour. No records.

And yes, it remains a false statement no matter how much you try to twist it.

You should have said music instead of records in regards to the new GN'R. My question for you to elaborate had nothing to do with how many shows the new GN'R have played or how many demos have been leaked. Again, you said without the current band there would be no 'records' which still remains to be a false statement. It's not undermining, it's not latching onto a turn-of-phrase, or misinterpreting what you said. The fact is, the new GN'R have not released new records, but only one record.

To turn and attack someone in a simple conversation by being asked to elaborate more when caught in an obvious miss-statement isn't a class move.

Fine. Get hung up on the fact that you interpret a word I used a different way to the way I use that word, and get over it. Since 1996 they have released "Chinese Democracy" as an album, and "Oh My God". That's more than one. That's plural. That's records. So get over it, because it really isn't a big deal to anyone but you.   I can't make it any simpler than that, and if that's too difficult for you to grasp so be it.

Stop being so difficult. I will state a slice of TRUTH. As of April 14 2012 there is a way bigger chance we see more "records" from the current GNR (even if Axl replaces members) than we will see from the AFD or UYI line ups. Stop busting balls and man up ya friction foonis!



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: axlssis on April 14, 2012, 10:43:26 PM
 :oa bit disappointed, cuz i think he deserves to be in there, but.....is this the first time an artist has declined being inducted?  if it is, i love it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: zombux on April 15, 2012, 01:47:54 AM
:oa bit disappointed, cuz i think he deserves to be in there, but.....is this the first time an artist has declined being inducted?  if it is, i love it.
no, this is the second time. the first were Sex Pistols


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Axl8302 on April 15, 2012, 01:58:48 AM
According to the article in Forbes Magazine...Axl decided early on he wouldn't attend.

Axl Rose Exclusive: "Hates" Slash, Won't Do Rock Hall Induction

4/11/2012

Axl Rose, the leader and founder of Guns n Roses, told me in January that he wouldn’t go to the Rock and Roll  Hall of Fame induction. I didn’t believe  him. He told me he hated Slash, the famed guitarist who co founded the band with him, and refused to attend. He told me, everyone who would listen, including Steven Tyler. We were at a pre-Golden Globe party. I’d never met Axl before. He was accessible and fun. But he was obsessed with Slash, claimed that he’d interfered with Axl’s creativity and taken control of the band. Now Axl tours with Guns n Roses but without Slash, who went onto the group Velvet Revolver, and who guest stars on other peoples’ records. Gun n Roses always had a rocky history. Early on they forced out drummer Steven Adler. Their catalog is thin. Their best song, “November Rain,” came out in 1986. I’m sure I’ll get emails of protest. But the infighting has made them a cult group. They could have had a Stones or Zeppelin type legacy. But they are left in tatters. As for Axl Rose, he wasn’t kidding–he told me that night he wouldn’t play on stage with Slash. And he stuck to his Guns. And Roses.

Here’s Axl’s letter to the Rock Hall:......

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/04/11/axl-rose-exclusive-hates-slash-wont-do-rock-hall-induction/


Did you notice that this very same article said NR came out in '86?  :hihi:

Ali

I also noted the shitty spelling and grammar. Like a kid wrote it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FunkyMonkey on April 15, 2012, 02:21:24 AM

I also noted the shitty spelling and grammar. Like a kid wrote it.


I didn't write it, just posted it.  But please, do elaborate.  Again, and again, didn't mean he didn't have the conversation. ???


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Drew on April 15, 2012, 08:14:09 AM
Fine. Get hung up on the fact that you interpret a word I used a different way to the way I use that word, and get over it. Since 1996 they have released "Chinese Democracy" as an album, and "Oh My God". That's more than one. That's plural. That's records. So get over it, because it really isn't a big deal to anyone but you.   I can't make it any simpler than that, and if that's too difficult for you to grasp so be it.

How is "Oh My God" a record? It's a song that may or may not have been released as a single. Tell me, where I can go buy the album Oh My God? The truth is you can't. There is no album titled Oh My God released by GN'R. You may be able to purchase it as single, I don't know but one single does not make an album/record. Chinese Democracy is one album which is singular not plural. Your interpretation is wrong and to believe anything else is false. One album and one song does not equal records.

Maybe you have records and recordings confused.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: zombux on April 15, 2012, 09:33:35 AM
I'd better used the word "studio releases"... besides ChiDem album and OMG single, there's also a non-single OST contribution in Big Daddy movie (reworked SCOM), and maybe, I'm not 100% sure, some slightly different edits in Rock Band, that's all.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 15, 2012, 11:03:58 AM
Fine. Get hung up on the fact that you interpret a word I used a different way to the way I use that word, and get over it. Since 1996 they have released "Chinese Democracy" as an album, and "Oh My God". That's more than one. That's plural. That's records. So get over it, because it really isn't a big deal to anyone but you.   I can't make it any simpler than that, and if that's too difficult for you to grasp so be it.

How is "Oh My God" a record? It's a song that may or may not have been released as a single. Tell me, where I can go buy the album Oh My God? The truth is you can't. There is no album titled Oh My God released by GN'R. You may be able to purchase it as single, I don't know but one single does not make an album/record. Chinese Democracy is one album which is singular not plural. Your interpretation is wrong and to believe anything else is false. One album and one song does not equal records.

Maybe you have records and recordings confused.

This is a a tedious and pointless conversation. It really isn't worth the effort.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: norway on April 15, 2012, 12:38:30 PM

One album and one song does not equal records.


None of this makes Matt Sorum more qualifed for the induction than Traci and Roberta, or Buckethead. ;)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Ali on April 15, 2012, 12:57:56 PM

I also noted the shitty spelling and grammar. Like a kid wrote it.


I didn't write it, just posted it.  But please, do elaborate.  Again, and again, didn't mean he didn't have the conversation. ???

No, again, no one's saying he didn't have the conversation. Just when you combine existing mistakes with the fact that no direct quotes given, it gives one the impression that what's being relayed isn't necessarily entirely accurate.

Ali


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Drew on April 15, 2012, 12:59:56 PM

One album and one song does not equal records.


None of this makes Matt Sorum more qualifed for the induction than Traci and Roberta, or Buckethead. ;)

This had nothing to do with who should or shouldn't be inducted into the RNRHOF but how much music the new GN'R lineup has officially released. Chinese Democracy is the only album with new music that's been released in the past 18 1/2 years.  :)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 15, 2012, 01:22:37 PM
Tell us something we don't know.

Are you saying the selection process involves counting the number of recordings each person has contributed to?

The band has released original material since the former members quit. That's a fact. The RNRHOF, for some unknown reason, decided to overlook this while not doing the same for bands like Metallica and the Red Hot Chili Peppers by inducting current members of said bands. 




/jarmo




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Drew on April 15, 2012, 01:38:18 PM
Tell us something we don't know.

Are you saying the selection process involves counting the number of recordings each person has contributed to?

The band has released original material since the former members quit. That's a fact. The RNRHOF, for some unknown reason, decided to overlook this while not doing the same for bands like Metallica and the Red Hot Chili Peppers by inducting current members of said bands. 




/jarmo

No, it has nothing to do with the selection process or the RNRHOF. Nothing!

markreed posted saying the current lineup had released 'records' meaning more than one. I haven't seen them or heard of them. Have you? The Spaghetti Incident? in 1993 was the last studio recorded band album released by the old lineup. The next studio recorded band album released was Chinese Democracy in 2009 and that was by the current lineup for the most part. Which would make the 'records' comment untrue.

If I'm wrong, please show me another album that's been released by the new lineup. I would like to go purchase it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: cotis on April 15, 2012, 01:39:41 PM
Can we close the topics regarding the HOF now? :)

We have a new tour in less than a month! : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 15, 2012, 01:40:07 PM
I can't speak on his behalf.

Maybe a better choice would've been recordings.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Drew on April 15, 2012, 01:44:22 PM
I can't speak on his behalf.

Maybe a better choice would've been recordings.




/jarmo

You're exactly right. That was my entire point nothing more. Thank you! :)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 15, 2012, 02:56:40 PM
Wether I buy a single, an album, a compilation, or whatever, it#s a record to me. I don't just buy albums. Hence to me, a released recording is a record. More than one release is a plural. It's no big deal. I used a word with a different interpretation of the exact meaning to other people. BFD.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 15, 2012, 03:00:10 PM
Interestingly enough, that whole thing has changed with the digital releases.

Back in the day when you wanted one song from an album, you had to buy the album. Unless the song was available as a single.


Nowadays, you can often buy individual songs from multiple releases/albums/records as you wish.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: FunkyMonkey on April 15, 2012, 03:03:09 PM

I also noted the shitty spelling and grammar. Like a kid wrote it.


I didn't write it, just posted it.  But please, do elaborate.  Again, and again, didn't mean he didn't have the conversation. ???

No, again, no one's saying he didn't have the conversation. Just when you combine existing mistakes with the fact that no direct quotes given, it gives one the impression that what's being relayed isn't necessarily entirely accurate.

Ali

I was responding to the other guy, but...existing mistakes?  He got a date wrong.  No direct quotes?  It was a casual conversation from January, not an interview.  And I don't really care -- read it if you want, don't if you don't want to.  But at this point this is getting a little silly. :D



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Drew on April 15, 2012, 03:09:16 PM
Interestingly enough, that whole thing has changed with the digital releases.

Back in the day when you wanted one song from an album, you had to buy the album. Unless the song was available as a single.


Nowadays, you can often buy individual songs from multiple releases/albums/records as you wish.




/jarmo

Right and a single is usually separate meaning you didn't have to buy the entire album or record. It's a big difference from 'records' and recordings.  ;)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 15, 2012, 07:06:19 PM

36 pages now and I havent seen anyone putting the effort to let everybody else know, on this forum at least, a little bit more about the hall of frame.

I had researched quite a few months ago, probably because I read that gnr may be inducted and rest , my conclusion was: whatever!

Who decided which band will be inducted and by which criteria? Which is the executive board of HAll of Fame , CEO & which are their associates , thats the kind of info I would expect to see from you to get an opinion. So dont wanna spoil your fan, but are you just arguing so you can still argue...........



Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 15, 2012, 07:23:11 PM
I'm surprised at how supportive everyone is of Axl's letter. It would have been big of him to put issues aside and perform 2 or 3 songs to put closure to the legacy of what made Guns N Roses great and move on.  Yes, you're right that he has the right do whatever he wants for whatever his reasons are but he wants to be good to fans under his conditions and doesn't care about what fans want.  And it's fans who grew up with GNR in 1988 - 1993 that made him who he is today, rather than the few fans who purchased Chinese Democracy.  He clearly has a resentment toward "old gnr" and "old gnr" fans.  Don't let the words in that letter fool you, half of it was written by a lawyer (how Rock N Roll), re-read it and say with a straight face these are Axl's words. (below is just one example)

I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of “Guns N’ Roses”.

I will continue to support his versions of GNR and I'm beyond, like most of you that the old band would ever do anything more than event like this (Like Pink Floyd). Whether most of you want to admit it or not we all know Axl can be a d*ck and much of what was written in that letter proves it again.  If he insisted on not going he could have provided a letter like Izzy's.


Welldone Roger! Ofcourse and it would have da related text from a lawyer, (you gonna pay for any lawsuits or.... should it 'd be charged to the account in absentia?) LOL!
Axl is being himself, in my opinion. Some dig it, some do not, tuff. Fans who grew up between 86 whatever -93? yada yada. OK I understand your point - whatever mamma pasta drama - BUT Axl did not stop existing from '1993' onwards, you grasp this concept?


FYI; if he was not the way he is, he wouldnt neither sing/compose/perform/record etc the way he does. So feel free to buy Mariah Carey or Celine Dion lol


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: GNRBABY on April 15, 2012, 08:49:41 PM
Wether I buy a single, an album, a compilation, or whatever, it#s a record to me. I don't just buy albums. Hence to me, a released recording is a record. More than one release is a plural. It's no big deal. I used a word with a different interpretation of the exact meaning to other people. BFD.

This is not my opinion it is FACT. It is FORMAL. It is OFFICIAL.

Single, EP, LP = RECORDS

Single

EP: Extended Play

LP: Long Play

All of the above are known to industry professionals as RECORDS.

I don't know why you guys are obsessing over such a simple and well known fact. They are records. Give the guy a break. If he would have said "LP's" yes he would have been wrong.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ARX on April 15, 2012, 09:34:58 PM
Tell us something we don't know.

Are you saying the selection process involves counting the number of recordings each person has contributed to?

The band has released original material since the former members quit. That's a fact. The RNRHOF, for some unknown reason, decided to overlook this while not doing the same for bands like Metallica and the Red Hot Chili Peppers by inducting current members of said bands. 




/jarmo

No, it has nothing to do with the selection process or the RNRHOF. Nothing!

markreed posted saying the current lineup had released 'records' meaning more than one. I haven't seen them or heard of them. Have you? The Spaghetti Incident? in 1993 was the last studio recorded band album released by the old lineup. The next studio recorded band album released was Chinese Democracy in 2009 and that was by the current lineup for the most part. Which would make the 'records' comment untrue.

If I'm wrong, please show me another album that's been released by the new lineup. I would like to go purchase it.

im curious... whats your personal opinion? Had the HOF included Chin Dem era members, would Axl been more likely to attend? I think the HOF should have at least addressed Chin Dem as a release


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Bridge on April 15, 2012, 09:42:16 PM
im curious... whats your personal opinion? Had the HOF included Chin Dem era members, would Axl been more likely to attend?

They did include a current member: Dizzy Reed.  And I think it would've made Axl more likely to attend, yes, though not a guarantee, since Slash, Steven, and Duff would still be there.  The animosity Axl has for the former members would've been a massive obstacle regardless of what members/eras were included, and I seriously doubt there would've been any way to give ALL the members and ALL the fans EXACTLY what they wanted or hoped for.

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I think the HOF should have at least addressed Chin Dem as a release

Why?  Axl chose not to be there, so they'd be addressing an album that didn't feature a single member who actually appeared onstage.  Furthermore, Axl very specifically asked not to even be referred to, directly or indirectly.  Well, mentioning Chinese Democracy would've been a reference to him more than the band that was onstage last night.  Billie Joe Armstrong kept his Axl speech short, sweet, and complimentary, the way it should've been given Axl's absence.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: WTTJ_91 on April 16, 2012, 12:37:27 AM
I'm confused as to how the HOF dictates this stuff, because it ISN"T consistent. But I do not feel that any member in GN'R as it stands does not deserve to be in the HOF ; except for Axl and Dizzy.

To be honest, and everyone is going to be pissed at this I think the Hall Of Fame just looked at Metallica/RHCP and said for the most part their "sound" and "style" has been consistent with member changes ; nothing to drastic has ever really happened with each different line up. With Guns N' Roses when you hear AFD/Lies/UYI it's all very similar sound ; while the band expanded on UYI it still had a common sonic quality. Obviously blandness is not a quality to be celebrated, but when you hear CD it's a totally different ball park ; to the point where besides Axl Rose singing it sounds like a completely different "band" ( technically it is, but it isn't because of the name etc..) so the opted to include only the members of the albums they felt were associated with the "sound" they wanted to induct?


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: markreed on April 16, 2012, 07:29:25 AM
Wow. Fighty. Get over it.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: Drew on April 16, 2012, 08:18:06 AM
im curious... whats your personal opinion? Had the HOF included Chin Dem era members, would Axl been more likely to attend? I think the HOF should have at least addressed Chin Dem as a release

It's not my decision at all. It's the HOF's deal so it's their decision. Should Chinese Democracy have been addressed? Maybe. Probably. I think Axl would have been more likely to attend. I think he appreciates the past but I also believe that he wants to move on with a new era which is completely okay.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ITARocker on April 16, 2012, 09:23:52 AM
Maybe Axl, if he really want to let people know about this band,  has to release a fuckin video... Live, studio or whatever...

He can blame only himself and his lack of communication if this band mainly stands in the shadow of the afd line up.

Probably if this line up in the last 10 years could made itself truly recognizable in the mainstream, it would have got an induction too...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: volcano62 on April 16, 2012, 09:47:24 AM
Probably if this line up in the last 10 years could made itself truly recognizable in the mainstream, it would have got an induction too...

No matter how much media ass kissing you want the band to do, fact remains GNR was not inducted into the HOF last Saturday.
Are you confused as to who is in GNR?

I'll help you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_N'_Roses

and

www.gunsnroses.com


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 16, 2012, 09:50:59 AM
Are you confused as to who played on the albums they were evidently being inducted for? For fuck's sake, someone fix this fucking record...


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: volcano62 on April 16, 2012, 09:52:52 AM
Are you confused as to who played on the albums they were evidently being inducted for? For fuck's sake, someone fix this fucking record...

Are you confused these said members quit? (1 got fired)


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: AxlReznor on April 16, 2012, 09:59:19 AM
Are you confused as to who played on the albums they were evidently being inducted for? For fuck's sake, someone fix this fucking record...

Are you confused these said members quit? (1 got fired)

No. I know that. But considering even Axl said he doesn't mind them celebrating their achievements with the band, I find it absolutely fucking ridiculous that people like you go on and on and fucking on about how they don't deserve it, even though the legacy of Guns N' Roses is just as much their's as it Axl's. And I'll say it again... Axl himself acknowledges this in the very letter this topic is about!!!

Maybe the current line-up will get the recognition they deserve in the future. Maybe they won't. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter because Saturday was about celebrating the band when they were at their most popular. That's it. Move the fuck on. Seriously... you keep on telling everyone else to move on and look to the future. Please take your own advice and stop insulting people who have just celebrated what got them (all of them) where they are today! Concentrate on the current line-up. Allow other people to enjoy Guns N' Roses in its entirety (meaning both past and present, and God willing, future).


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 16, 2012, 12:01:00 PM

Axl chose not to be there......... furthermore, Axl very specifically asked not to even be referred to, directly or indirectly.

One of the best points that statement had was exactly those two words, directly or indirectly. It killed it! & whatever the hell happend with media being informative I suppose needs no explanation when it comes to Axl - Not sure why some people find it ironic or him acting funny for the lack of a better word by releasing a statement. Even by releasing just ONE statement it becomes pea soup that already would have been made anyway & any old fan is already aware of this, big deal keep stirring, he did not show up regardless. Plus, getting claims that he condemned or inssulted when this was already stated he had no intention to - Do not remix my post, read the statement again. 

I thank him SO MUCH for this statement -for my own reasons! :love: 

"KILL YOUR LIES!-Not my 'Idol'. MOTHER.FUCKER - Whomever the fuck said that I needed no one to look up to anyway again?........... [/i]


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: ARX on April 16, 2012, 01:00:33 PM
im curious... whats your personal opinion? Had the HOF included Chin Dem era members, would Axl been more likely to attend? I think the HOF should have at least addressed Chin Dem as a release

It's not my decision at all. It's the HOF's deal so it's their decision. Should Chinese Democracy have been addressed? Maybe. Probably. I think Axl would have been more likely to attend. I think he appreciates the past but I also believe that he wants to move on with a new era which is completely okay.

Thats kind of my point... celebrate the past while still embracing the future.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: volcano62 on April 16, 2012, 01:32:39 PM
So to conclude this story:

Founding (= original) GNR members: Axl, Izzy, Tracii Guns, Rob Gardner, Ole Beich NOT HONORED
Current GNR members: Axl, DJ, Bumblefoot, 4tus, Tommy, Dizzy, Frank, Pitman NOT HONORED
Hall of Shame attendees: Pretty much everyone else, not counting Weber, Tobias, Finck, Buckethead and Brain who are also a big part of the band history


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 16, 2012, 01:58:30 PM
Any discussion that includes Ole Beich and Rob Gardner should just be automatically ignored. It's amazing the ridiculous levels some people will take this shit to.


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: jarmo on April 16, 2012, 02:01:00 PM
Any discussion that includes Ole Beich and Rob Gardner should just be automatically ignored. It's amazing the ridiculous levels some people will take this shit to.

Why this disrespect towards the original GN'R?  :P

 :hihi:



/jarmo




Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: 3STRANG3D on April 16, 2012, 02:02:05 PM
Thats kind of my point... celebrate the past while still embracing the future.  

Would like to add something to this: Hoping this time it can be understood, I might even elaborate on it more & open the tale from the crypt....


Sometime in there, between past & future, there was always a present. You ever sord of chanced to stand still, almost in awe, by the degree of stupidity & idiocy people may have? Dont get it twisted as he said, I am not excluding myself cause I am now 32 but have been a teenager etc etc, EMBRACING the future by celebrating the past requires arms of a superman, with spiritual strength quite possibly that of a God and mental stability of a gravestone and as far as I have always been aware, although there was nothing released etc, he has been alive. So fameholed it or not, I am glad & will have a show to attend to!


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: LunsJail on April 16, 2012, 02:02:31 PM
Any discussion that includes Ole Beich and Rob Gardner should just be automatically ignored. It's amazing the ridiculous levels some people will take this shit to.

Why this disrespect towards the original GN'R?  :P

 :hihi:



/jarmo




 :hihi: Touche


Title: Re: Axl's letter to The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It M
Post by: C0ma on April 16, 2012, 02:11:14 PM
Volcano:

Other than Axl and Izzy the other "founding/original members" have nothing to do with the success of this band ouside of Tracii Guns having an affect on the name. What got Guns N' Roses into the Hall of Fame was