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Title: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: RnT on May 25, 2014, 01:39:01 PM
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Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: nick6sic6 on May 25, 2014, 05:23:51 PM
Cool ! It's June's issue ?


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on May 25, 2014, 05:48:50 PM
I really hope we get something good in this interview. 


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
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Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on May 29, 2014, 12:26:20 PM
Its very easy to dismiss Axl's answers given his track record.

But I see hope in these answers.  Compare this stuff to "don't know, don't care" or "no plans".  This is an improvement.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GnR-NOW on May 29, 2014, 01:13:20 PM
HIs answer on new music sounds honest, so we will see what happens.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: Rainbow Warrior on May 29, 2014, 05:29:57 PM
Axl talks about a second half of Chinese. But if he recorded app. 70 songs (which he stated in 1998) what on earth happened to the rest of the songs? A second half of Chinese Democracy would "only" contain around 12-18 songs or ....? ???


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on May 29, 2014, 08:33:20 PM
Axl talks about a second half of Chinese. But if he recorded app. 70 songs (which he stated in 1998) what on earth happened to the rest of the songs? A second half of Chinese Democracy would "only" contain around 12-18 songs or ....? ???

In principle, I agree.

But its like pulling god damn teeth to get him to do pretty much anything creatively.  If he can get it moving in a positive direction again, that's about as good as we're going to do.  Even if it winds up being only one more album.

And you believe he has 70 songs?  I never did.  40, absolute tops.  At various stages of completion.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: cineater on May 29, 2014, 10:00:03 PM
Axl saying everything has been done for a while pretty much says it's not going to be released.  I think CD era is coming to an end.  See it on the big screen, little screen or buy it but in my opinion CD is over after Vegas and GNR is moving on.  I think that's a good thing.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: kyrie on May 30, 2014, 10:24:04 AM
Axl talks about a second half of Chinese. But if he recorded app. 70 songs (which he stated in 1998) what on earth happened to the rest of the songs? A second half of Chinese Democracy would "only" contain around 12-18 songs or ....? ???

Recording that many songs doesn't mean they want to release them all. A lot of bands record 30 songs or so and release an album with 12-14 tracks. Maybe one or two wind up as b-sides and a lot of the others are discarded. It's not that uncommon. Keep in mind with all the new faces there was probably a ton of trial and error in those recordings, so it's not surprising (considering the need to find chemistry with new players) that maybe little under a half of the material was something the band/Axl felt comfortable releasing.

I actually really like this interview. It's positive, it addresses new material, and he doesn't shy away. It's rare we see Axl himself talk about new stuff so that's a good sign.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on May 30, 2014, 10:43:19 AM
Call me a sucker, but it gives me hope.  First off, it dismisses the idea that he wants to retire.  And its finally the first time he's acknowledged that he wants to focus on something besides the next leg of the endless tour. 


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: AXL DEMOCRACY on May 30, 2014, 07:41:01 PM
So where does one get Revolver magazine. Most Barnes and Nobles here in NYC don't carry it. Will probably have to hunt it down at a magazine store or Hudson News.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: draguns on May 30, 2014, 07:44:34 PM
Good article! AxlDemocracy- are you sure about that? I know Barnes & Nobles in NJ has Revolver. You may want to try the Barnes & Noble on 53rd and 3rd. It's in the Citigroup  building. I sometimes go there after work.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: AXL DEMOCRACY on May 30, 2014, 08:29:48 PM
Thanks for the tip! I was at Union Sq and the 5th Ave store and they didn't carry it. Hopefully I can pick a copy
up Tuesday.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: ecwfan on May 31, 2014, 11:51:41 PM
Part of me hopes Rose puts out a new album of anything. I know he has a ton recorded and all. But hopefully it gets released at some point.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: Bridge on June 01, 2014, 02:04:43 AM
I liked the interview.  Not too in-depth but served its purpose, though I suppose Axl probably wanted it fairly short and sweet.  Cool that he's all right with all of Duff's involvement as of late.   8)

Anyone notice that Axl used the word "bastard" at the end of the interview?  He's rarely used that word.  Though it's always been the most little used curse word in music/movies.  In fact, only 2 GNR songs contain it -- "Coma" and "You Can't Put Your Arms Around a Memory".


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 02, 2014, 11:28:31 AM
Re-read this interview last night.

What sort of time frame would you personally think is feasible with regards to his plan to take a look at what to release once they finish up in Vegas?

I think me, personally, I would need to hear by the end of the calendar year that they are actually working on finalizing it all and hope to get it out first half of next year.  I do not think these are at all unreasonable scenarios.  The songs are done.  And any sort of supposed drama with the label can be worked out in a year's time, no?

And if December 31, 2014 comes and goes, and we don't have anything new to go on, what will that do to your expectation level?

And what if the next thing we hear from the band is another Vegas residency next fall, will you finally give up the ghost we ever hear anything new?  I think it would be hard not to.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: JAEBALL on June 02, 2014, 01:02:50 PM
Re-read this interview last night.

What sort of time frame would you personally think is feasible with regards to his plan to take a look at what to release once they finish up in Vegas?

I think me, personally, I would need to hear by the end of the calendar year that they are actually working on finalizing it all and hope to get it out first half of next year.  I do not think these are at all unreasonable scenarios.  The songs are done.  And any sort of supposed drama with the label can be worked out in a year's time, no?

And if December 31, 2014 comes and goes, and we don't have anything new to go on, what will that do to your expectation level?

And what if the next thing we hear from the band is another Vegas residency next fall, will you finally give up the ghost we ever hear anything new?  I think it would be hard not to.

To me... I just hope to hear the songs at some point...

Because these songs are going on 15 years old... they are not relevant to the band that tours today... so whats the difference on when they get released?

at least thats how i feel now... I hope they come out sooner rather than later... but as long as we hear them eventually...does it matter?


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 02, 2014, 01:39:03 PM
To me... I just hope to hear the songs at some point...

Because these songs are going on 15 years old... they are not relevant to the band that tours today... so whats the difference on when they get released?

at least thats how i feel now... I hope they come out sooner rather than later... but as long as we hear them eventually...does it matter?

All very valid points.

My concern is that we are, at absolute best, getting one more album from this man.  And we may have to make due with songs done by guys long out of the fold.

I guess what I'm really asking is...what sort of grace period does this buy with you, the fan?  Meaning, if nothing new is out or even on the horizon in 2016, will people still point to this interview and tell us he's working on it?  Does that pass your smell test?


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: JAEBALL on June 02, 2014, 02:01:32 PM
To me... I just hope to hear the songs at some point...

Because these songs are going on 15 years old... they are not relevant to the band that tours today... so whats the difference on when they get released?

at least thats how i feel now... I hope they come out sooner rather than later... but as long as we hear them eventually...does it matter?

All very valid points.

My concern is that we are, at absolute best, getting one more album from this man.  And we may have to make due with songs done by guys long out of the fold.

I guess what I'm really asking is...what sort of grace period does this buy with you, the fan?  Meaning, if nothing new is out or even on the horizon in 2016, will people still point to this interview and tell us he's working on it?  Does that pass your smell test?

Well Im glad he said he wants to release it... and im glad he answered the questions clearly and to the point without going on some long ramble that I never understand haha

does it buy anything with me? no not really... we have all been down this road before


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: sofine11 on June 02, 2014, 04:48:21 PM
To me... I just hope to hear the songs at some point...

Because these songs are going on 15 years old... they are not relevant to the band that tours today... so whats the difference on when they get released?

at least thats how i feel now... I hope they come out sooner rather than later... but as long as we hear them eventually...does it matter?

All very valid points.

My concern is that we are, at absolute best, getting one more album from this man.  And we may have to make due with songs done by guys long out of the fold.

I guess what I'm really asking is...what sort of grace period does this buy with you, the fan?  Meaning, if nothing new is out or even on the horizon in 2016, will people still point to this interview and tell us he's working on it?  Does that pass your smell test?

Great question.  I think the best thing we can draw from his comments here, is that he still has "interest" in putting out Chi Dem 2.  It's certainly better than another "No idea and don't care." answer ala 2009.   

I think that the "test" here is going to be whether they do exactly what he says here, which is to look seriously at what they have and put together what will become the tracklisting of the next album after Vegas.  Because, if they do, we'll ultimately get an album sooner than later.  If they don't, the continued silence and inactivity in that arena will speak for itself.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 02, 2014, 05:16:26 PM
Well Im glad he said he wants to release it... and im glad he answered the questions clearly and to the point without going on some long ramble that I never understand haha

I think its his best interview in some time.

He seemed in good spirits instead of ranting.  But the answers were also direct and pretty on topic.  None of that circular meandering stuff that doesn't say anything.

I'm glad he did this.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: Rainbow Warrior on June 02, 2014, 06:02:59 PM
Re-read this interview last night.

What sort of time frame would you personally think is feasible with regards to his plan to take a look at what to release once they finish up in Vegas?

I think me, personally, I would need to hear by the end of the calendar year that they are actually working on finalizing it all and hope to get it out first half of next year.  I do not think these are at all unreasonable scenarios.  The songs are done.  And any sort of supposed drama with the label can be worked out in a year's time, no?

And if December 31, 2014 comes and goes, and we don't have anything new to go on, what will that do to your expectation level?

And what if the next thing we hear from the band is another Vegas residency next fall, will you finally give up the ghost we ever hear anything new?  I think it would be hard not to.

To me... I just hope to hear the songs at some point...

Because these songs are going on 15 years old... they are not relevant to the band that tours today... so whats the difference on when they get released?

at least thats how i feel now... I hope they come out sooner rather than later... but as long as we hear them eventually...does it matter?



I honestly don't care if their unreleased songs were created in 1997, 2005 or 2013. Most gnr songs are timeless so if they have a bunch of older songs I'd rather have them released in 2014/15 than waiting for some new songs perhaps finished in 2018. As soon as the "Chinese 2" songs are out the band has loads of time to go in the studio and make so called "up to date" songs.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 02, 2014, 06:51:30 PM
Yeah, I just want some new songs, ultimately.

I've been listening to 'Chinese' songs for 13 years now.  And anyone that was concerned with keeping it real, then even you've been listening to them for 6.

Good to see him talking about the future.  Its healthy.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: fozzie10 on June 02, 2014, 08:06:55 PM
Good interview,i guess given that CD was and is perceived as a flop by most casual observers who would take the chance on releasing an album full of songs (and who really knows at what point in their life these songs are at this point completion wise)that weren't deemed good enough for the original albums release?.

Albums have to make money and hopefully lots of it i just dont see any exec of any record company saying this would be a good idea,the world has moved on since 2008 let alone the time some of the songs were recorded,no i just dont see it maybe as a boxset we'll see these songs but i'd be amazed if they came out as a stand alone album,don't get me wrong i love CD (ive just bought it on vinyl again after my original copy got too scratched)and would love to hear some of the songs but are the numbers there to take a chance on a full release i just don't think there are.

As a fan i hope we see at least one more album from Axl and hopefully 1 or 2 more after that but perhaps it is time to put the CD era to bed and move on.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 03, 2014, 09:11:45 AM
I think that is all valid.

But if that's the case, things will never improve.  Both Axl and the label dropped the ball huge in the last album.  But you can't turn back time.  The move now is to put your heads together and try and come up with a workable plan to move forward. 

Its the only logical move....if, you are interested in moving forward.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: kyrie on June 03, 2014, 12:39:41 PM
The thing that stands out to me is... if a new album sold half what the last one did it would still be considered a huge success. Plus if the songs are in the can the only cost is marketing and distribution (since Best Buy basically covered the recording costs). Does BB have any rights in relation to a new release?

Honestly I think at this point they should just take the best of what's in the can, go with either a self-titled name or Soul Monster (always liked that), keep the packaging and marketing simple, and lead with a solid single. In this day and age they should do well if not what the old band did - but no one sells like that anymore.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 03, 2014, 12:52:14 PM
Honestly I think at this point they should just take the best of what's in the can, go with either a self-titled name or Soul Monster (always liked that), keep the packaging and marketing simple, and lead with a solid single. In this day and age they should do well if not what the old band did - but no one sells like that anymore.

Agreed.

And this idea that every album that gets released these days is expected to be some huge seller is the phony premise of alltime.

Just off the top of my head, take the last Motley Crue album, 'Saints Of Los Angeles'.  Came out in 2008.  Was it expected to be huge?  No.  Was anyone interested in it other than already diehard Crue fans?  No.  At any point during the planning, recording, or releasing the album did someone say "you know...its not 1991 anymore" and just decide to scrap it all? No.

They put out an album because that's what bands do.  That's the job.  Otherwise...what are you doing as an artist?  Did all these other guys sign on with Axl so they could just go out and play 'It's So Easy' and 'You Could Mine' live, over and over again?  Not likely.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GeorgeSteele on June 03, 2014, 01:11:02 PM
Honestly I think at this point they should just take the best of what's in the can, go with either a self-titled name or Soul Monster (always liked that), keep the packaging and marketing simple, and lead with a solid single. In this day and age they should do well if not what the old band did - but no one sells like that anymore.

Agreed.

And this idea that every album that gets released these days is expected to be some huge seller is the phony premise of alltime.

Just off the top of my head, take the last Motley Crue album, 'Saints Of Los Angeles'.  Came out in 2008.  Was it expected to be huge?  No.  Was anyone interested in it other than already diehard Crue fans?  No.  At any point during the planning, recording, or releasing the album did someone say "you know...its not 1991 anymore" and just decide to scrap it all? No.

They put out an album because that's what bands do.  That's the job.  Otherwise...what are you doing as an artist?  Did all these other guys sign on with Axl so they could just go out and play 'It's So Easy' and 'You Could Mine' live, over and over again?  Not likely.

Motley's Saints album was released through the band's own independent label.  GNR doesn't have that option right now, so a release is more complicated. 

Also, it's not a band's job to put out an album, that's the label's job.  Band just makes it and hands it to the label.  Not saying who's doing or not doing its job in GNR's situation, but just saying.   :peace:


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 03, 2014, 02:16:45 PM
Motley's Saints album was released through the band's own independent label.  GNR doesn't have that option right now, so a release is more complicated. 

Also, it's not a band's job to put out an album, that's the label's job.  Band just makes it and hands it to the label.  Not saying who's doing or not doing its job in GNR's situation, but just saying.   :peace:

But if you are going to sit around pouting and lamenting "woe is me", cursing that damn label that you don't trust...will things ever get better?  How?

You pout in the corner, and the label goes on with their day.  I pray to God that Axl is not seriously expecting them to come to him on bended knee and ask for his forgiveness and plead for another chance.  Not after the disappearing act he pulled.

The only way forward is to work together.  Otherwise, stop any and all talk about being a viable band and just admit that you are a greatest hits touring band and that's all you will ever be.

This interview sounds like Axl is actually willing to take some steps to move forward.  I very much hope that is the case.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GNRBABY on June 03, 2014, 05:28:06 PM
Good interview,i guess given that CD was and is perceived as a flop by most casual observers who would take the chance on releasing an album full of songs (and who really knows at what point in their life these songs are at this point completion wise)that weren't deemed good enough for the original albums release?.

Albums have to make money and hopefully lots of it i just dont see any exec of any record company saying this would be a good idea,the world has moved on since 2008 let alone the time some of the songs were recorded,no i just dont see it maybe as a boxset we'll see these songs but i'd be amazed if they came out as a stand alone album,don't get me wrong i love CD (ive just bought it on vinyl again after my original copy got too scratched)and would love to hear some of the songs but are the numbers there to take a chance on a full release i just don't think there are.

As a fan i hope we see at least one more album from Axl and hopefully 1 or 2 more after that but perhaps it is time to put the CD era to bed and move on.

In 2014 it's not nearly as expensive to make an album as it was back in the day. Chinese Democracy sold over 400,000+ copies last time I checked, so really the numbers are there if the band can get the album done and marketed for 1 million, which is up to Axl. GNR has a built in audience, so really all they need is marketing $$ any label will do for release if Axl comes out of pocket for the recording, which he can easily afford.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: HBK on June 05, 2014, 06:35:04 PM
Guns N? Roses Confirm New Album ?Chinese Democracy II? Exists

"But basically, we have what I call the second half of Chinese. That's already recorded."

http://radio.com/2014/06/05/axl-rose-new-album-chinese-democracy-ii-exists/


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: Bodhi on June 06, 2014, 11:02:11 AM
Most publications are running with this story in this exact manner.  I don't remember Axl saying anywhere that "Chinese 2" is "on the way."   He said they were going to look at what they were doing in that regard.  Most websites and publications like Rolling Stone are acting like he is giving a release date.  They seem to be taking his words and twisting them, which is nothing new.  Now if a record doesn't come out soon its going to be the whole "Axl is full of shit" , "hes unreliable" negativity that we usually get, even though he never actually promised anything.



Axl Rose: 'Chinese Democracy' sequel on the way


Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY 6:07 p.m. EDT June 5, 2014

 
A follow-up to Chinese Democracy, the Guns N' roses album released in 2008 after 14 years of tweaking, has been recorded and could be released relatively soon, Axl Rose told Revolver magazine.

The singer said two albums have been completed, the Chinese sequel and a remix album of songs from the original.

"We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out," Rose says in the interview. "We've worked more on some of those things and we've written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That's already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That's been done for a while, too. But after Vegas we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard."

Guns N' Roses wraps up a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas on Saturday.




also the headline from The Guardian

Guns N' Roses ready to fire off two albums, says Axl Rose
Guns frontman says band have both a follow-up to Chinese Democracy and a remix album prepared for release


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 12:03:27 PM
Most publications are running with this story in this exact manner.  I don't remember Axl saying anywhere that "Chinese 2" is "on the way."   He said they were going to look at what they were doing in that regard.  Most websites and publications like Rolling Stone are acting like he is giving a release date.  They seem to be taking his words and twisting them, which is nothing new.  Now if a record doesn't come out soon its going to be the whole "Axl is full of shit" , "hes unreliable" negativity that we usually get, even though he never actually promised anything.

When you tell people its already recorded and its a matter of picking which songs, how are people supposed to react to that?

If a year from now we are still no further along, you don't think its legit to ask what the problem is?

This interview was a positive thing, no matter how you slice it.  Let's not get bogged down in the tired old routine of poor Axl that can't get a break from that evil media.  Let's let it play out.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: Bodhi on June 06, 2014, 12:12:52 PM
Most publications are running with this story in this exact manner.  I don't remember Axl saying anywhere that "Chinese 2" is "on the way."   He said they were going to look at what they were doing in that regard.  Most websites and publications like Rolling Stone are acting like he is giving a release date.  They seem to be taking his words and twisting them, which is nothing new.  Now if a record doesn't come out soon its going to be the whole "Axl is full of shit" , "hes unreliable" negativity that we usually get, even though he never actually promised anything.

When you tell people its already recorded and its a matter of picking which songs, how are people supposed to react to that?

If a year from now we are still no further along, you don't think its legit to ask what the problem is?

This interview was a positive thing, no matter how you slice it.  Let's not get bogged down in the tired old routine of poor Axl that can't get a break from that evil media.

Not saying poor Axl anything, and yes I thought it was a very positive interview.  However the media is presenting it like the release is imminent.  If it doesn't come out soon we are going to hear the same old negative bullshit


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 12:28:31 PM
Not saying poor Axl anything, and yes I thought it was a very positive interview.  However the media is presenting it like the release is imminent.  If it doesn't come out soon we are going to hear the same old negative bullshit

Easiest way to get in front of that?  Keep your word.  Do what you say you are going to do.

They finish up the residency this week.  Then there is literally months of downtime.  That's the time you need to follow through on what you said you were going to do.  Pick your songs.  Get it mixed.  Turn it in. 

Realistically, there is no legit explanation for this not being out sooner than later.  The heavy lifting is already done.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 06, 2014, 01:43:18 PM
Not saying poor Axl anything, and yes I thought it was a very positive interview.  However the media is presenting it like the release is imminent.  If it doesn't come out soon we are going to hear the same old negative bullshit

Easiest way to get in front of that?  Keep your word.  Do what you say you are going to do.


I think you totally missed Bodhi's point and in doing so proved it.  ;)





Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: LongGoneDay on June 06, 2014, 01:45:42 PM
Most publications are running with this story in this exact manner.  I don't remember Axl saying anywhere that "Chinese 2" is "on the way."   He said they were going to look at what they were doing in that regard.  Most websites and publications like Rolling Stone are acting like he is giving a release date.  They seem to be taking his words and twisting them, which is nothing new.  Now if a record doesn't come out soon its going to be the whole "Axl is full of shit" , "hes unreliable" negativity that we usually get, even though he never actually promised anything.

When you tell people its already recorded and its a matter of picking which songs, how are people supposed to react to that?

If a year from now we are still no further along, you don't think its legit to ask what the problem is?

This interview was a positive thing, no matter how you slice it.  Let's not get bogged down in the tired old routine of poor Axl that can't get a break from that evil media.

Not saying poor Axl anything, and yes I thought it was a very positive interview.  However the media is presenting it like the release is imminent.  If it doesn't come out soon we are going to hear the same old negative bullshit

Maybe, but who cares?

Axl is not stupid. He has to know that releasing 1 album of original material in 23 years is going to open himself, and his technically active band, up to criticism.
He has set the bar for lack of production. If the ?negative press? bothers him, there is a pretty obvious solution. He doesn?t seem to care, so why should anyone?

And really, is it the media?s fault that the GN?R news they report is negative?

I think it?s great that they recently sprinkled in a new(23 year old) song into the setlist, and that Axl?s voice has recently taken a turn for the better, but instances like these could only be considered big events in the GN?R community.
It?s just further proof the bar has been lowered substantially over the years. If USA Today wanted to be negative, I think they could have had some fun with the prospect of a Chinese Democracy remix album..

It takes 14 years to release Chinese Democracy, and then, after 6 years(at soonest) they plan to roll out...Chinese Democracy the remix?
C'mon, man!

If Axl cares what the media has to say, he?s not doing himself any favors.
Negativity sells, so the media will always latch on to that angle, but if there was something on the other end of the spectrum to report, it?d be out there as well.

GN?R has become a touring act, and touring doesn?t typically generate much in the way of news.

All that said, I?ll be there tonight, and hope those motherf*ckers play Yesterdays again.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: JAEBALL on June 06, 2014, 02:17:28 PM
Most publications are running with this story in this exact manner.  I don't remember Axl saying anywhere that "Chinese 2" is "on the way."   He said they were going to look at what they were doing in that regard.  Most websites and publications like Rolling Stone are acting like he is giving a release date.  They seem to be taking his words and twisting them, which is nothing new.  Now if a record doesn't come out soon its going to be the whole "Axl is full of shit" , "hes unreliable" negativity that we usually get, even though he never actually promised anything.

When you tell people its already recorded and its a matter of picking which songs, how are people supposed to react to that?

If a year from now we are still no further along, you don't think its legit to ask what the problem is?

This interview was a positive thing, no matter how you slice it.  Let's not get bogged down in the tired old routine of poor Axl that can't get a break from that evil media.

Not saying poor Axl anything, and yes I thought it was a very positive interview.  However the media is presenting it like the release is imminent.  If it doesn't come out soon we are going to hear the same old negative bullshit

Maybe, but who cares?

Axl is not stupid. He has to know that releasing 1 album of original material in 23 years is going to open himself, and his technically active band, up to criticism.
He has set the bar for lack of production. If the ?negative press? bothers him, there is a pretty obvious solution. He doesn?t seem to care, so why should anyone?

And really, is it the media?s fault that the GN?R news they report is negative?

I think it?s great that they recently sprinkled in a new(23 year old) song into the setlist, and that Axl?s voice has recently taken a turn for the better, but instances like these could only be considered big events in the GN?R community.
It?s just further proof the bar has been lowered substantially over the years. If USA Today wanted to be negative, I think they could have had some fun with the prospect of a Chinese Democracy remix album..

It takes 14 years to release Chinese Democracy, and then, after 6 years(at soonest) they plan to roll out...Chinese Democracy the remix?
C'mon, man!

If Axl cares what the media has to say, he?s not doing himself any favors.
Negativity sells, so the media will always latch on to that angle, but if there was something on the other end of the spectrum to report, it?d be out there as well.

GN?R has become a touring act, and touring doesn?t typically generate much in the way of news.

All that said, I?ll be there tonight, and hope those motherf*ckers play Yesterdays again.


Well said sir!

I started to type something and realized it was just reiterating what you said


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 02:19:40 PM
LongGoneDay, on point again. : ok:


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: jarmo on June 06, 2014, 02:56:23 PM
Once again, certain individuals are "defending" the media for twisting Axl's words into something else.

So much understanding for one side, nearly no understanding for the side you're supposed to be on. Funny how that works among some fans...



And yes, I agree with Bodhi.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 06, 2014, 03:06:24 PM
If Axl cares what the media has to say, he?s not doing himself any favors.  Negativity sells, so the media will always latch on to that angle,.....
This has ZERO to do with what was said in this magazine interview/article.
The topic of negative press was never brought up in it.

..... but if there was something on the other end of the spectrum to report, it?d be out there as well.
I think most of us agree that this interview/article was "the other end of the spectrum"
Topics were broached and answers were given.  We got insight to what the next release might look like.
Positive info, right?

..... and yet some of you are turning what was said into a negative because it doesn't conform to your ideal.


Go figure.



Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: LongGoneDay on June 06, 2014, 03:40:43 PM
If Axl cares what the media has to say, he?s not doing himself any favors.  Negativity sells, so the media will always latch on to that angle,.....
This has ZERO to do with what was said in this magazine interview/article.
The topic of negative press was never brought up in it.

..... but if there was something on the other end of the spectrum to report, it?d be out there as well.
I think most of us agree that this interview/article was "the other end of the spectrum"
Topics were broached and answers were given.  We got insight to what the next release might look like.
Positive info, right?

..... and yet some of you are turning what was said into a negative because it doesn't conform to your ideal.


Go figure.



I actually enjoyed the interview, and thought it was the most positive Axl has sounded in some time.

I was referring to the general perception on this board that the media, fans, detractors, what have you, rally against current day GN?R, and in my opinion it is more a case of there not being a whole lot of positive info to report.
or info of any kind for that matter.

Again, not turning anything into a negative.
This interview was a positive in my view. No doubt thanks in part to the bar being lowered so dramatically over the years, and my expectations being underground, but a positive nonetheless.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 03:44:38 PM
Once again, certain individuals are "defending" the media for twisting Axl's words into something else.

So much understanding for one side, nearly no understanding for the side you're supposed to be on. Funny how that works among some fans...

Yeah, its hilarious.

Look, the guy says the recording is done.  True or false? 

So what are we talking about here?  Picking the songs and getting them mixed should take...what?  6 months?  8 months?  None of our fucking business, and shut up and get in the corner?

You tell me, captain.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 03:47:42 PM
I actually enjoyed the interview, and thought it was the most positive Axl has sounded in some time.

We all did.  Even a no good rabble rouser like me said that, several times.

But then we start in with "look how the evil press twists poor Axl's words".  It just get so tiresome, that victim mentality.

He said he is actually interested in moving forward with new material.  That's a good thing.  The focus should not be on what MIGHT be said or what MIGHT happen down the road if he does not deliver.

Let's just focus on the positive right now.  Would that kill us?


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 03:49:31 PM
I think most of us agree that this interview/article was "the other end of the spectrum"
Topics were broached and answers were given.  We got insight to what the next release might look like.
Positive info, right?

..... and yet some of you are turning what was said into a negative because it doesn't conform to your ideal.


Go figure.

You live in your own world, bro.  I don't know what else to tell you. 

This interview received nothing but positivity for the week or so its been up.  It took a turn when we started focusing on that evil media and how they are out to get Axl.

Stow that shit.  Let's be happy he actually seems interested in moving ahead.  That's a good thing.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: JAEBALL on June 06, 2014, 03:49:38 PM
If Axl cares what the media has to say, he?s not doing himself any favors.  Negativity sells, so the media will always latch on to that angle,.....
This has ZERO to do with what was said in this magazine interview/article.
The topic of negative press was never brought up in it.

..... but if there was something on the other end of the spectrum to report, it?d be out there as well.
I think most of us agree that this interview/article was "the other end of the spectrum"
Topics were broached and answers were given.  We got insight to what the next release might look like.
Positive info, right?

..... and yet some of you are turning what was said into a negative because it doesn't conform to your ideal.


Go figure.



I actually enjoyed the interview, and thought it was the most positive Axl has sounded in some time.

I was referring to the general perception on this board that the media, fans, detractors, what have you, rally against current day GN?R, and in my opinion it is more a case of there not being a whole lot of positive info to report.
or info of any kind for that matter.

Again, not turning anything into a negative.
This interview was a positive in my view. No doubt thanks in part to the bar being lowered so dramatically over the years, and my expectations being underground, but a positive nonetheless.

Again... exactly

every single person reacted positively here to his interview, and we are all hopeful...

and shockingly some gloss over that and just run to the defense for Axl oh no the evil media is out to get him still by twisting his words... Axl has given them all the ammo they need over the years to be critical of him... if youa re gunna be but hurt about it, i don't know what to tell ya

I think Axl will deliver on this... I dont know why , just the sense that I get... but yeah if it doesn't happen in a timely fashion he will be criticized for it... a) his track record and B) negativity in the press sells... you cant let it bother you

like longDayGone said, it must not bother Axl.... so don't let it bother you


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 03:50:57 PM
I will once again point out when all these threads take this negative turn.

Look at who gets blamed versus who actually starts us down this road.  Not the same crowd, people.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 03:51:58 PM
Well Im glad he said he wants to release it... and im glad he answered the questions clearly and to the point without going on some long ramble that I never understand haha

I think its his best interview in some time.

He seemed in good spirits instead of ranting.  But the answers were also direct and pretty on topic.  None of that circular meandering stuff that doesn't say anything.

I'm glad he did this.

Here is me being negative and spiteful (apparently).  Look how terrible I am here.  For shame.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: Bodhi on June 06, 2014, 03:56:55 PM
I actually enjoyed the interview, and thought it was the most positive Axl has sounded in some time.

We all did.  Even a no good rabble rouser like me said that, several times.

But then we start in with "look how the evil press twists poor Axl's words".  It just get so tiresome, that victim mentality.

He said he is actually interested in moving forward with new material.  That's a good thing.  The focus should not be on what MIGHT be said or what MIGHT happen down the road if he does not deliver.

Let's just focus on the positive right now.  Would that kill us?


There is no victim mentality.  The media is putting words in Axl's mouth.  They are saying that GNR has TWO new records about to come out.  Not what Axl said at all.  Axl said  

"We've worked more on some of those things and we've written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That's already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That's been done for a while, too. But after Vegas we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard."

Now the media has taken that, and somehow is running with the idea that there are 2 GNR albums about to come out any day now.  For arguments sake what if upon reviewing the material the band decides to scrap it and not put it out?  What if they decide to record something different all together?  Then Axl is a liar, blah blah blah.  

You see the point is the media is misleading the fans here.  Axl said the band was going to take a look at what they have, he never said that stuff is coming out next week, or at all.  Now if an album  that only the media promised would come out  doesn't come out the fans get mad at the BAND.  This happened on a routine basis in the late 90's until about 2008.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 03:59:44 PM
Now the media has taken that, and somehow is running with the idea that there are 2 GNR albums about to come out any day now.  For arguments sake what if upon reviewing the material the band decides to scrap it and not put it out?  What if they decide to record something different all together?  Then Axl is a liar, blah blah blah.  

You see the point is the media is misleading the fans here.  Axl said the band was going to take a look at what they have, he never said that stuff is coming out next week, or at all.  Now if an album  that only the media promised would come out  doesn't come out the fans get mad at the BAND.  This happened on a routine basis in the late 90's until about 2008.

First of all, let's not pretend the industry is hanging on Axl Rose's every word these days.  I know I often lament the "its not 1991 anymore" routine, but it has some application there.  This is isn't exactly front page news all over the world.

Secondly, do you think that remix thing ever comes out?  I don't.  There is no market for it.

Finally, suppose he actually does get an album out within the next 6-9 months.  Are people SERIOUSLY going to get all pissy asking where the remix album is?  Come on now.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 06, 2014, 04:33:15 PM
Again... exactly

every single person reacted positively here to his interview, and we are all hopeful...

You and I have a different opinion of what "reacted positively" is. 

case-in-point

Re-read this interview last night.

What sort of time frame would you personally think is feasible with regards to his plan to take a look at what to release once they finish up in Vegas?

I think me, personally, I would need to hear by the end of the calendar year that they are actually working on finalizing it all and hope to get it out first half of next year.  I do not think these are at all unreasonable scenarios.  The songs are done.  And any sort of supposed drama with the label can be worked out in a year's time, no?

And if December 31, 2014 comes and goes, and we don't have anything new to go on, what will that do to your expectation level?

And what if the next thing we hear from the band is another Vegas residency next fall, will you finally give up the ghost we ever hear anything new?  I think it would be hard not to.


So instead of focusing on GNR and the label (or whomever) seemingly working towards a release, some of you would rather talk like this?? 

CUE THE... *we're only having a discussion! this site wouldn't exist without our input!!!*

and the ... *we're playing devil's advocate. trying to look at all the possibilities*... RESPONSES



Some of you can't seem to help looking for a dark cloud instead of seeing the silver lining.



Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 04:42:04 PM
I asked a question.  It happens from time to time.

And again, the world didn't end.  People responded and a good dialogue was had.  How about that?

Then you strolled in and decided it was an outrage.  And now we have...this.  Which I think is just dynamite.  Who wants to talk about the interview and where things might go when we could talk about reactions to the interview you didn't like?  That's the money shot.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 06, 2014, 04:55:44 PM
Then you strolled in and decided it was an outrage.  And now we have...this.  Which I think is just dynamite.  Who wants to talk about the interview and where things might go when we could talk about reactions to the interview you didn't like?  That's the money shot.

No.  The money shot is your response to a positive interview being that a year or two from now, we should all disavow the band because you're expecting nothing more than what we currently have.

That's your idea of "talk about the interview and where things might go"



Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: norway on June 06, 2014, 04:56:54 PM

I pray to God that Axl is not seriously expecting them to come to him on bended knee and ask for his forgiveness and plead for another chance.  Not after the disappearing act he pulled.

That he 'disappeared' is a claim from those Axl is disapointed with. Remember he sued management and I think reunionists haven't actually supported the band. And then you have Slash who continueously is being associated with Gunsn'Roses in the mainstream media.

Once again, certain individuals are "defending" the media for twisting Axl's words into something else.

Axl is totally creating a buzz here.

This is how the media works and he knows it. But, this means that...they not done yet ;D


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 06, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
Secondly, do you think that remix thing ever comes out?  I don't.  There is no market for it.

Finally, suppose he actually does get an album out within the next 6-9 months.  Are people SERIOUSLY going to get all pissy asking where the remix album is?  Come on now.

Why do you have to turn the remix talk into a negative??

IMO, all of us who bought CD-I and will buy CD-II, are SERIOUSLY looking forward to buying CD-I:Remix for no other reason than to hear the songs released as Axl wanted/wants us to hear them .... especially after hearing the "live" variations of the songs!



Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 05:35:21 PM
No.  The money shot is your response to a positive interview being that a year or two from now, we should all disavow the band because you're expecting nothing more than what we currently have.

Well, we'll see what happens. 

This is the most positive I have heard Axl in years.  I'm encouraged.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: norway on June 06, 2014, 05:37:31 PM

There is no such thing called 'negative publicity' for a rock-musician. :P h8'ers gonna h8 and stuff...:coffee:


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 05:38:05 PM
That he 'disappeared' is a claim from those Axl is disapointed with. Remember he sued management and I think reunionists haven't actually supported the band. And then you have Slash who continueously is being associated with Gunsn'Roses in the mainstream media.

You write off the reunionists.  Lost causes that will never come around or even give you a fair shake.

I don't see Slash as part of this conversation.

But going MIA when its time to promote a piece of work you spent 10 years on just doesn't make any sense.  ANd I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that people at the label might look at that whole thing a bit askew.



Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: norway on June 06, 2014, 05:42:21 PM


I don't see Slash as part of this conversation.

Yes, cause the MIA refers to the period after the release. SR and the GNR-name was to be on the frontcover of guitarhero, but what happened was that the GNR-name was on it with a huge cartoon resembling Slash.

But going MIA when its time to promote a piece of work you spent 10 years on just doesn't make any sense.

Ok, but I am not sure if 'axl going mia' is the whole truth behing the story.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 05:42:26 PM
Why do you have to turn the remix talk into a negative??

Because the point was raised that people "will expect 2 albums" after this gross misrepresentation of what Axl said.

I don't believe that.  I don't believe that if he delivered a new album new material that people would seriously be asking, "hey, wait...where's that remix???"  Do you find that probable?

But where is the market for a 'Chinese' remix album as a stand alone effort?  As a bonus CD with a new album?  OK, yeah.  Because you buy the new album.  You take the remix thing as a bonus.  But as a stand alone product?  I'm not sure where the market for that is.  And most certainly not as their next official release.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 05:43:49 PM

I don't see Slash as part of this conversation.

Yes, cause the MIA refers to the period after the release. SR and the GNR-name was to be on the frontcover of guitarhero, but what happened was that the GNR-name was on it with a huge cartoon resembling Slash.

So this means Axl can't talk to anybody for the better part of a year after his album comes out?

I get your points, and they are valid.  But I think to say that just shuts everything down for almost a solid year doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: norway on June 06, 2014, 05:48:46 PM


You write off the reunionists.  Lost causes that will never come around or even give you a fair shake.

If the guys at the label are reunionists it can explain the lack of press/media after the release.

Sad fact is thats it's (a reunion and a single/album) the most marketable product for a industry in a economic crisis.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 06:01:46 PM
If the guys at the label are reunionists it can explain the lack of press/media after the release.

Sad fact is thats it's (a reunion and a single/album) the most marketable product for a industry in a economic crisis.

Well, the second part is certainly true.

As for the first part, I'm not as sure.  I saw it more as a case that if the artist himself can't be bothered to give a damn, why should they? 

I don't endorse this, by the way.  Its spiteful behavior on both sides that ultimately worked against the project.  I'm a firm believer that Axl needs to sit down with the label and say the hell with what happened, here is how they will do it going forward.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 06, 2014, 06:05:47 PM
Why do you have to turn the remix talk into a negative??

Because the point was raised that people "will expect 2 albums" after this gross misrepresentation of what Axl said.

I don't believe that.  I don't believe that if he delivered a new album new material that people would seriously be asking, "hey, wait...where's that remix???"  Do you find that probable?

But where is the market for a 'Chinese' remix album as a stand alone effort?  As a bonus CD with a new album?  OK, yeah.  Because you buy the new album.  You take the remix thing as a bonus.  But as a stand alone product?  I'm not sure where the market for that is.  And most certainly not as their next official release.
So you wouldn't buy CD-I:Remix if it's a stand-alone release?? 
Of all of us who have bought CD-I, I think very few wouldn't IMMEDIATELY upon release purchase CD-I:Remix!!!

And since Axl said the remix exists, YOU would probably be the first one to call him a LIAR and ask "hey, wait...where's that remix???"


But going MIA when its time to promote a piece of work you spent 10 years on just doesn't make any sense.  ANd I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that people at the label might look at that whole thing a bit askew.
Send the label a copy of this magazine!!!  Whatever may have happened in the past, Axl seems to be putting himself out there now!!! 



Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 06:12:58 PM
So you wouldn't buy CD-I:Remix if it's a stand-alone release?? 
Of all of us who have bought CD-I, I think very few wouldn't IMMEDIATELY upon release purchase CD-I:Remix!!!

I think anyone posting here on a daily basis would buy anything they put out.

We are the diehard of the diehard.  We are in no way a representation of the marketplace as a whole.  I'm not even sure how a new album does.  But it surely makes more practical sense then a remix of an album that came out 6-7 years prior.  That's just business 101.


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And since Axl said the remix exists, YOU would probably be the first one to call him a LIAR and ask "hey, wait...where's that remix???"

We know it exists.  We've heard snippets of leaks from it.  No one disputes it exists.

But regardless of your solid hunch, I can assure you I would have no qualms with the man if it never sees the light of day.


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Send the label a copy of this magazine!!!  Whatever may have happened in the past, Axl seems to be putting himself out there now!!!

If I'm at the label, I am WAY encouraged by this interview.  I can't see how you wouldn't be.  Its the most positive and proactive he's sounded in forever.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: Rainbow Warrior on June 06, 2014, 06:32:16 PM
Unfortunately I think the media and the (non-hardcore-fans) public would ridicule Axl and GNR mercilessly if Chinese Remix were put out as a single album. Remember how negative CD was received by the media in general after 15 years of waiting.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 06:41:29 PM
Unfortunately I think the media and the (non-hardcore-fans) public would ridicule Axl and GNR mercilessly if Chinese Remix were put out as a single album. Remember how negative CD was received by the media in general after 15 years of waiting.

I have to agree.  Imagine the ridicule. 

If the songs didn't set the world on fire, will remixed versions of them get it done?

Nah, its gotta be a new album before this.  Unless its a bonus CD type deal, as I said.



Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: ITARocker on June 06, 2014, 07:07:50 PM
A cd remix would be appreciated, mainly because cd is barely listenable...there are three guitars but they are so cold that what you hear is a fuckin rumble behind axl's voice...which is overstretched too. At the same time cd remix won't work as a standalone thing.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 06, 2014, 07:14:04 PM
So you wouldn't buy CD-I:Remix if it's a stand-alone release?? 
Of all of us who have bought CD-I, I think very few wouldn't IMMEDIATELY upon release purchase CD-I:Remix!!!

I think anyone posting here on a daily basis would buy anything they put out.

We are the diehard of the diehard.  We are in no way a representation of the marketplace as a whole.  I'm not even sure how a new album does.  But it surely makes more practical sense then a remix of an album that came out 6-7 years prior.  That's just business 101.

So you're basing your buying habits on what other people think?  Did you buy Kanye's album on the same day as CD??  Heard that did well in the marketplace too but I didn't purchase Kanye's because it just isn't my cup of tea.

How any album does on "the marketplace as a whole" is a subjective question in today's music industry.
Having CD-I:Remix and/or CD-II available in said marketplace for purchase is the only business fans should concern themselves with.
That's just GNR diehards 101!!!

Unfortunately I think the media and the (non-hardcore-fans) public would ridicule Axl and GNR mercilessly if Chinese Remix were put out as a single album. Remember how negative CD was received by the media in general after 15 years of waiting.
I think Axl and GNR's concern is putting out the best product possible and representing GNR in the best light.

I think the only 'ridicule' that would bother them to any degree is if, like in the case of the original release, it was not the product as they envisioned.

To quote Ricky Nelson: 
But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself





Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: norway on June 06, 2014, 07:15:49 PM

A cd remix would be appreciated, mainly because cd is barely listenable...there are three guitars but they are so cold that what you hear is a fuckin rumble behind axl's voice...which is overstretched too. At the same time cd remix won't work as a standalone thing.

 what I would want to hear from a new album is more voicacrobatics and stuff.

I'm a huge fan of Oh My God btw, would love to hear a remix, altho I don't think the song needs it. :smoking:


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 07:36:55 PM
A cd remix would be appreciated, mainly because cd is barely listenable...there are three guitars but they are so cold that what you hear is a fuckin rumble behind axl's voice...which is overstretched too. At the same time cd remix won't work as a standalone thing.

Some of the different vocals on the leak were interesting though.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 07:38:30 PM
So you're basing your buying habits on what other people think?

No, I am speaking from the label's perspective.

One hand...new album.  Other hand...remix of an album that didn't make much impact 6-7 years ago.

How are you not going new album, if those are your choices? 


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 07:39:14 PM
I'm a huge fan of Oh My God btw, would love to hear a remix, altho I don't think the song needs it. :smoking:

Underrated song.  Great lyrics.

A mix that was a little less busy would be something I'd be interested in.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 06, 2014, 07:44:36 PM

No, I am speaking from the label's perspective.


Your fixation on the label's perspective over the band's and the fans and even your own is, in a word, disturbing.

What's up with that??



Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 07:49:48 PM
Your fixation on the label's perspective over the band's and the fans and even your own is, in a word, disturbing.

What's up with that??

Where are you living? 

There are no "sides" in business.  These aren't rival gangs we are talking about here.  It they work at cross purposes, how does that benefit anyone at all : band, label, or fans? 

I'm interested in a new album from my favorite band.  I start at a baseline of "how can we make that happen?"

My starting point will never be "here is why this can't be Axl's fault".  That doesn't make my top 5. 

Who cares about that shit?  I want a new album.  I'm not interested some pissing contest over turf and alleged treachery.   


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: fozzie10 on June 06, 2014, 07:56:16 PM
Unfortunately I think the media and the (non-hardcore-fans) public would ridicule Axl and GNR mercilessly if Chinese Remix were put out as a single album. Remember how negative CD was received by the media in general after 15 years of waiting.

Have to agree,anything less than a stellar selling album is going to be seen as a failure and to release more from this (wrongly in my view)ridiculed album just wont happen no label boss will ok it surely,if they do and it fails they'd be packing their office up and will forever be the man known who ok'd the release of more from those sessions.

A retrospective boxset however of chinese would be welcomed in my view by most fans and the casual buyer,you know the sort of thing a double album up to perhaps a 6 album box including everything and the kitchen sink from the sessions,clear the decks and move on hopefully to a new album of current material.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 07:58:52 PM
A retrospective boxset however of chinese would be welcomed in my view by most fans and the casual buyer,you know the sort of thing a double album up to perhaps a 6 album box including everything and the kitchen sink from the sessions,clear the decks and move on hopefully to a new album of current material.

I used to think this was crazy talk.

But if we are the only ones who are going to buy it, why not, maybe?  Maybe even just release it through iTunes. 

I'd pay.  We'd all pay.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 06, 2014, 08:00:21 PM
Your fixation on the label's perspective over the band's and the fans and even your own is, in a word, disturbing.

What's up with that??

Where are you living? 

There are no "sides" in business.  These aren't rival gangs we are talking about here.  It they work at cross purposes, how does that benefit anyone at all : band, label, or fans? 

I'm interested in a new album from my favorite band.  I start at a baseline of "how can we make that happen?"

My starting point will never be "here is why this can't be Axl's fault".  That doesn't make my top 5. 

Who cares about that shit?  I want a new album.  I'm not interested some pissing contest over turf and alleged treachery.   

You're the only one talking "sides"

Did you actually read the magazine article??  Axl talks about releasing a new album plus a remix.  In no way, shape or form does anything Axl said in the article even suggests he himself or the band as an entity is at odds with the label.

You're the one looking to place blame for your misconceived perception of things.




Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 08:07:17 PM
Did you actually read the magazine article??  Axl talks about releasing a new album plus a remix.  In no way, shape or form does anything Axl said in the article even suggests he himself or the band as an entity is at odds with the label.

You're the one looking to place blame for your misconceived perception of things.

That's nice, that bit at the end.  Its like an homage.

I'm actually not one of the ones who buys into this supposed trouble with the label.  Don't believe an album was turned in 2010 and rejected.  Don't believe they are averse to releasing a new Guns N' Roses product in the future, even with this line-up.

I believe Axl doesn't really communicate with them, and he's out of sight, out of mind.  But I've never bought into the fact if he actually got them a new album, it doesn't go out quickly.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 06, 2014, 08:15:16 PM
I believe Axl doesn't really communicate with them, and he's out of sight, out of mind. 
I don't understand what you're saying here.  You don't think Axl is an active participant in the negotiations of how/what material is released?  Whose sight and mind is he out of??



Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 08:20:18 PM
I believe Axl doesn't really communicate with them, and he's out of sight, out of mind. 
I don't understand what you're saying here.  You don't think Axl is an active participant in the negotiations of how/what material is released?  Whose sight and mind is he out of??

There is a pretty consistent talking point promoted that the label has ulterior motives and is holding him back in some fashion.

Reasons are myriad.  They are angling for a reunion.  They are pissed over his actions the last time.

I believe none of that.

Nor do I believe there is too much of an active dialogue with the label.  This is a man that says "we don't even feel like we have a label".  That does not exactly support that he's chatting with them on the regular.

But I think, when he decides to do so, they will be willing to work with him.  But I don't think they spend a lot of time thinking about him.  When he's finally ready to go, they will listen.  They just aren't waiting by the phone.

I think this interview shows he might actually be serious about moving forward.  That's why this interview is a good thing.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 06, 2014, 08:45:38 PM
Nor do I believe there is too much of an active dialogue with the label.  This is a man that says "we don't even feel like we have a label".  That does not exactly support that he's chatting with them on the regular.
Axl didn't say that in this article.  If you're referring what he did say in reply to the "success" question, I took that be his perspective on what occurred business-wise resulting in the release of CD and later the change in management.  I didn't take it as a current issue.

But I think, when he decides to do so, they will be willing to work with him.  But I don't think they spend a lot of time thinking about him.  When he's finally ready to go, they will listen.  They just aren't waiting by the phone.
On the contrary, I think that because of what occurred business-wise with the release of CD, BOTH sides are now more hands-on this time. 


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 06, 2014, 09:27:44 PM
Let's hope. 

Axl seems pretty happy these days.  Strike while that iron is hot, I say.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: cineater on June 09, 2014, 06:28:19 PM
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But after Vegas, we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard.

Any decision yet?  :D


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: raindogs70 on June 09, 2014, 09:19:31 PM
I actually enjoyed the interview, and thought it was the most positive Axl has sounded in some time.

We all did.  Even a no good rabble rouser like me said that, several times.

But then we start in with "look how the evil press twists poor Axl's words".  It just get so tiresome, that victim mentality.

He said he is actually interested in moving forward with new material.  That's a good thing.  The focus should not be on what MIGHT be said or what MIGHT happen down the road if he does not deliver.

Let's just focus on the positive right now.  Would that kill us?


There is no victim mentality.  The media is putting words in Axl's mouth.  They are saying that GNR has TWO new records about to come out.  Not what Axl said at all.  Axl said  

"We've worked more on some of those things and we've written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That's already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That's been done for a while, too. But after Vegas we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard."

Now the media has taken that, and somehow is running with the idea that there are 2 GNR albums about to come out any day now.  For arguments sake what if upon reviewing the material the band decides to scrap it and not put it out?  What if they decide to record something different all together?  Then Axl is a liar, blah blah blah.  

You see the point is the media is misleading the fans here.  Axl said the band was going to take a look at what they have, he never said that stuff is coming out next week, or at all.  Now if an album  that only the media promised would come out  doesn't come out the fans get mad at the BAND.  This happened on a routine basis in the late 90's until about 2008.

It's good that he said there's finished songs, that could mean we'll hear something new before the end of the year.

GNR's had a history of contributing new songs to movies, and you're also seeing a lot of bands showing up on TV shows promoting new music. Maybe Nicolas Cage talked to Axl about new songs for a movie he's working on. Even the elusive Prince had a huge promotion when Zooey's show was on right after Super Bowl. Black Sabbath was on CSI. DJ Ashba was invited to Sons of Anarchy being filmed and hung out, so maybe we'll have a Sons and Guns episode, Marilyn Manson's making an appearance this season.

The funny part is Rolling Stone hijacking Revolver's interview and putting their own spin on it. If that's not a sign Rolling Stone is dead, I don't know what is.



Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 09, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
What does it mean to "remix"?  ??? 

Is remix different from remastering??

Is it something "simple"? more like "upgrading" the sound from mono to stero??

Or does it mean a drastic change to how it sounds like from say a Disco beat to a Latin beat?? 

Or could it possibly maybe be like to "unmix" songs like Catcher to put Brian May's parts back and changes like that??



Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: Bridge on June 09, 2014, 10:05:32 PM
What does it mean to "remix"?  ??? 

Is remix different from remastering??

Is it something "simple"? more like "upgrading" the sound from mono to stero??

Or does it mean a drastic change to how it sounds like from say a Disco beat to a Latin beat?? 

Or could it possibly maybe be like to "unmix" songs like Catcher to put Brian May's parts back and changes like that??

Remix is different than remastering.  The essential definition of a remix is to take all the tracks that were recorded for a song (vocals, guitar, drums, backing vocals, keyboards, solos, etc) and mix them a different way than they were mixed for the original recording of the song.  It also could mean introducing newly recorded elements (such as higher vocals or a new guitar solo) into the fray.  Sometimes a remix involves drastic changes to the original version, other times the changes are so miniscule that you barely notice them.

Any way you slice it, remixing could have numerous different results, so it's hard to know what exactly Axl might mean when he talked about it.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GypsySoul on June 09, 2014, 10:19:15 PM
Remix is different than remastering.  The essential definition of a remix is to take all the tracks that were recorded for a song (vocals, guitar, drums, backing vocals, keyboards, solos, etc) and mix them a different way than they were mixed for the original recording of the song.  It also could mean introducing newly recorded elements (such as higher vocals or a new guitar solo) into the fray.  Sometimes a remix involves drastic changes to the original version, sometimes so miniscule to the point where you barely notice the changes.

Any way you slice it, remixing could have numerous different results, so it's hard to know what exactly Axl might mean when he talked about it.

Thanks for the explanation.  :)

Can't imagine he means for it to be with just "miniscule" changes so I was trying to remember some of the bigger things that people talked about (like Brian May's parts).

Wasn't the intro to one of the songs (Street of Dreams maybe?) under scrutiny for possible copyright infringement?  Would changing that up fall under "remix"?


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: Bridge on June 09, 2014, 10:24:44 PM
Wasn't the intro to one of the songs (Street of Dreams maybe?) under scrutiny for possible copyright infringement?  Would changing that up fall under "remix"?

It might, depending on what Axl and the band did.  If they just removed the intro, it would be just that: a removal of intro.  Or if they added another intro, it would just be "alternate intro", not really a remix.  If they mixed different elements into an existing intro and removed others, then it would fall under "remix".


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: jazjme on June 09, 2014, 11:48:01 PM
Think your referring to Rhiad, as that was the song under scrutiny


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: D-GenerationX on June 09, 2014, 11:57:35 PM
Think your referring to Rhiad, as that was the song under scrutiny

And it was blatant as shit too, haha.

I wonder if its why they never did it live since the album came out.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: coolman78SLASH on June 10, 2014, 02:23:51 AM
Funny how people for so many years were denying the term "old guns/new guns" ,and then Axl himself refers to Old guns for the original lineup...


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: siraddam on June 11, 2014, 06:57:06 AM
Slash comments on Duff at Golden Gods :)

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/slash-comments-on-duffs-reunion-with-axl-metallicas-glastonbury-appearance/


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: reayj2003 on June 11, 2014, 10:23:22 AM
Slash comments on Duff at Golden Gods :)

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/slash-comments-on-duffs-reunion-with-axl-metallicas-glastonbury-appearance/

"Fill in for what's his name..." Ha ha


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: westcoast_junkie on June 11, 2014, 11:48:51 AM
Bitter? :-/


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: GoBucky on June 11, 2014, 12:22:53 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that it bothers Slash that Duff is playing off and on with Axl. I think Tommy Stinson has done enough in his career to garner enough respect to have his name used as opposed to 'what's his name'! That's a total douche move!


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: MsRocknrolla on June 14, 2014, 03:54:54 PM
I think it was the best interview Axl has given in a long time. Good questions and thoughtful answers.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: Sillything on June 14, 2014, 05:09:19 PM
Slash show who he are and what he is. I'm Sorry for him.


Title: Re: Axl's new interview - Revolver magazine
Post by: LIGuns on June 14, 2014, 06:05:18 PM
Heard a great "unofficial" acoustic version of Better...