Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Does anyone know/has heard anything regarding streaming/filming of this show?

Am I right in thinking the shows for RIR are broadcast live on Brazilian TV? Any chance it will be a Coachella type 'two songs and that's yer that' broadcast? Traditionally we've always had the full show haven't we?

Full broadcast by Brazilian tv: Globo and Multishow (Globo's cable channel). Both networks have their own streaming services, but I'm not sure if it works for other countries.

Rock in Rio starts this weekend (September 15th), so it's a great opportunity to figure out.

https://globoplay.globo.com/agora-na-globo/

https://globosatplay.globo.com/multishow/ao-vivo/

http://multishow.globo.com/

Multishow, a brazilian cable TV, probably is gonna do the whole thing. Is it the first complete performance of the reunited GN'R to be broadcasted?

Looking at that, it might be only available in Brazil. Anyone seen a way in for those outside the country?

VPN. I use ExpressVPN, they even have a 30-day money back guarantee should you only wish to watch the show. There are also others.

If I remember correctly, everyone around the world was able to live stream RIR 2011.

That is correct. I remember very well where I was watching it easily without any hassle compared to fighting with VPNs that don't always work.

Yeah, clearly remember I was watching it early morning here in Holland. First time they played Estranged live so carved in my memory forever  8)

It still gives me goosebumps to think about it, those first few seconds. 'When you're talkin' to yourself and nobody's home...'

Of course, not the first time ever but the first for nearly two decades.

It was just impossible to believe it was actually happening but it was :beer:

one, two

Guns n Roses Estranged Legendado Rock in Rio 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqQNR3IMD3c

 :peace:

I saw on the website that AlterBridge is playing the day before GNR.

Maybe Slash can hop on with them or vice versa with Myles for a song?

That would be cool :beer:

Isn't the whole thing both weekends webcast as well?

Now it's the perfect time to try some webcast links:

https://g1.globo.com/musica/rock-in-rio/2017/ao-vivo/rock-in-rio-2017.ghtml

http://www.livexlive.com/

https://www.festicket.com/festivals/rock-in-rio/2017/

Second link works here..

100% sure GN'R will be streamed? I see Aerosmith and RHCP mentioned, but no Guns. Are they amongst the "plus many more"?

Livexlive works here in the US for me too.

100% sure. Rock in Rio (Brazilian Edition) is always fully broadcasted.

I'll be part of the 4K RIR broadcast trial here in Brazil. I would LOVE to get it recorded for all you guys, but I don't have any recording device nor a powerful computer (only a 2012 MacBook Air and a Chromebook Plus).

If anyone have any idea - considering I'm not gonna buy anything expensive like an El Gato card -, feel free to tell me.

Man would love to see it in 4k. Enjoy even if you have no way to record it.

And only now you're saying something?? we could've started a BIG Kickstarter for you!  :hihi:

Thank you. I watched yesterday's gigs (nothing exciting, stuff like Fergie and Maroon 5) and it looked really good with crystal clear image quality. The sound was a bit messy - the regular channel was 5.1 (I guess), so my stereo sound only had the vocals. The solution was to turn on the 2nd sound channel (SAP), but the RIR sound mix was always shit anyways.

Haha, I actually said something about that a couple of months ago. But I probably would have some problems with the DRM. I don't know really.

What kinda 4k tv you watching on? No 5.1 sound system? Bummer that would make it so much better.

Next weekend will be a hell of a ride! I'm going to all concerts...Aerosmith, Def Leppard, Alter Bridge, Tears For Fears, Bon Jovi, The Who, GNR!! Killer line up!

I'm pretty sure someone will record these shows. Would be awesome!

Has there ever been any exceptions though? I'm just thinking we met get a Coachella style couple of tracks here......

Nope.

http://multishow.globo.com/programacao.html

Saturday 23rd, Rock in Rio Live from 15:00 until 2:00 (local time).




/jarmo

So what time will GNR be on stage, until 2.00am ???

It must be a little different for the band as well having got OFF stage around 11pm for the past 100+ shows :beer:

That would be 6am in the UK and Ireland and 7am CET.

12.25 am local start time, which is 4.25am GMT......

Not GMT because in the summer you use GMT+1 but the starting time in the UK, yes :smoking:

what till will it be for the us start time

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It's a regular 2014 LG 49" TV and no HDR (now that's a bummer IMO). I do have a soundbar (JBL) but my wife doesn't like the wires hanging on a regular 5.1 system. And the wireless stuff are kinda expansive.

I'm watching Def Leppard now and at first the soundboard mix was awesome. But then it had a hiccup and now is shit again. The 5.1 channel may be better. I really would love to be able to record the GNR broadcast in all this 4K and 5.1 glory.

No
I hear ya but you know the saying happy wife happy life. No HDR though is definitely a bummer that improves it so much, especially if its HDR10+ or dolbyvision since those adjust frame to frame.

Well it looks like livex will not be showing the hadliners aside from RHCP. i did find a periscope channel broadcasting the AO VIVO Brazilian broadcast though to watch Aerosmith tonight. Not the best solution if we want to see GNR live and not have to wait for it to be on dime an hour or so later after the show.

So you're saying there is no official broadcast going on that those outside of brazil cam watch?

You are wrong mate. You have the GMT and BST which actually is the summer British time and is +1 of the GMT. Just saying.  :peace:

Sorry to report that it's not looking good on this front. Has anyone actually seen GNR listed anywhere for broadcast? The Bon Jovi show ISN'T getting streamed, so my hopes aren't high that the GNR one will be either at the moment.....

https://twitter.com/bonjoviupdates?lang=en

Here's the viewing schedule. It does look to me like it's not happening. If you go the next day it clearly states the RHCP performance, and gives it a streaming time.

http://www.livexlive.com/events/2017-09-23/

Hope Axl will rest his voice a  little

http://multishow.globo.com/programacao.html


00:25 until 02:10.
Not the full concert but it's sth.

Yeah i don't think they're gonna have time to do their normal set. There's a curfew. They may get away with going over 30 minutes or so but certainly not an hour to do their normal 3 hours.

Bingo. The only headliner we're gonna get is RHCP on Livex.

That's not been an issue in the past at rir though has it? I was under the impression there was no curfew.

I'm not sure, you might be right. regardless there's still no official stream for us outside of Brazil unless you use a VPN or proxy. I think the listed time is just a guideline. Last night Aerosmith played until i think 2:15 or so.

The show def will be broadcasted on Brazilian TV.

I got a press release from the cable company (the ISP which provided the 4K broadcast I'm testing) confirming it. Here's a rough translation I did:

NET E CLARO HDTV BROADCAST RIR'S LAST WEEKEND SHOWS LIVE AND IN 4K

This last Rock in Rio weekend marks the frist time, maybe the only one, of The Who in Brazil. Subscribers with compatible decoders and TVs with the 4K technology will be able to enjoy the british band and performances from Tears for Fears, Bon Jovi, Guns N' Roses, The Offspring, Red Hot Chilli Peppers at the Mundo Stage in super high definition. The experimental broadcast is national and will be availabe on channel 704 from 7pm.

(...)
 
22/09
Bon Jovi
Tears for Fears
Alter Brigde
Jota Quest
 
23/09
Guns N? Roses
The Who
Incubus
Tit?s
 
24/09
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Thirthy Seconds to Mars
The Offspring
Capital Inicial


Yeah, I was watching some videos on my Galaxy S8 (which is only Mobile HDR, not HDR10 nor dolby vision) and the colors are amazing! Didnt even know about that back when I bought the TV. Bummer indeed.

The place is really far from everything in Rio. I don't think there's a curfew there. But who knows.

I just wish they were webcasting the headliners outside of Brazil like in years past. So we don't have to watch on periscope of someone streaming the AO VIVO feed. Yeah HDR is totally the way to go. Of course then you'll need a HDR receiver etc.

What about the HOLA extension for Chrome? It's like VPN, but seems to work better.

Let me check into that!

Holy shit it worked haha.

Its weird, livex says its live showing alter bridge but on multishow it is Tears for Fears.

Yeah, Alter Bridge got off the stage about an hour ago.

Yeah on livex tears for fears just started. So i don't know why they say its live when it isn't. At least i can see bon jovi tonight on multishow now. Thanks for the tip on that VPN!

No problem mate :)

Exactly. THE LISTED TIME IS JUST A GUIDELINE!

what time will gnr go on

Scheduled for 9:25 your time.

That ain't bad.

Yeah they'll be on 10:25 or so my time. Will be done just after 1:30 i'm thinking.

A lively 4.25 am here! Might hold off on it, now i know i can't actually watch it outaide of brazil without a proxy.

Thanls for doing thay translation. A big help-appreciate it.

If you use chrome get the Hola vpn extension works like a charm!

every site i try say not in the usa

I believe this audio stream will be broadcasting tonight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yCTByo-_gE

Does anyone know what time the band usually do the soundcheck? I just found out that my broadcast channel is working during someone's soundcheck (just audio, tho).

I'm pretty sure all World Stage bands soundcheck in the morning.

Yeah. I figured I missed the opportunity. :(

HUMONGOUS THANK YOU TO GNRfanMILO from the mygnr forum for posting step-by-step instructions/links that are so easy to follow that even I was able to do it!!!
GNRfanMILO, YOU ROCK!!! :headbanger:

Double posting to add:

Thank you, too, Sanomatovic from the mygnr forum for posting this word of caution/advice that I think we should all follow:

Now LIVE Incubus ->

https://g1.globo.com/musica/rock-in-rio/2017/ao-vivo/rock-in-rio-2017.ghtml

 :beer:

Yeah I've been listening to Incubus on the audio stream. Listened to some of Tit?s earlier too. Good band.

It's not streaming very smooth for me.  Lots of hiccups.
Wondering if that is just me or are you guys the same?

I'm not having any issues or hiccups with the streaming.

I'm a little surprised/disappointed that the people from Multishow are so clueless about what's been going on in the world of GNR for the past 18 months.  I don't speak or understand the language but they put up a sign (in English) with the hashtag #AxlDon'tBeLate

The WHO - My Generation Now !!!

https://g1.globo.com/musica/rock-in-rio/2017/ao-vivo/rock-in-rio-2017.ghtml

 :love:

I didn't have to install anything on my pc to use Hola. Just got the extension from the chrome webstore and it worked flawlessly.

Looks to me like GNR will be late through no fault of their own. Incubus ended late delaying The Who by a good 20 minutes or so. So i'd expect GNR to hit the stage after 1 Brazil time.

I had to install chrome on my macbook first but everything was super easy.

They are a bunch of ex-MTV idiots trying to be funny. Don't mind them.

I heard The Who will be joining GNR on stage for The Seeker.
They're not playing the song on their own show.

Fair to say that's just speculation. Hope is true, tho.

did you see what roger just said at the end of the show?
it seems to me there's a big chance it's going to happen. i hope so.

Guns N' Roses Comming...

 :smoking:

I missed the end of their set. What did Roger say? Interesting poll they showed. I highly doubt Dead Horse will be played.

Btw this guy in the blue suit is highly annoying.

Here we go.

01) Intro
02) Looney Tunes
03) It's So Easy
04) Mr. Brownstone
05) Chinese Democracy

- Frank On Drums "Guns N' Roses, Guns N' Roses"

06) Great Intro Of Slash, Welccome To The Jungle
07) Great Intro Of FRANK, Double Talkin' Jive

Great Voice Of Axl / Slash On Fire / Good Crew

https://g1.globo.com/musica/rock-in-rio/2017/ao-vivo/rock-in-rio-2017.ghtml

From Drone Live ->

https://www.facebook.com/RockInRio/

 :beer:

Woah, some issues with guitars on Double Talkin Jive there. Of all nights for Slash's connection to cut, and during a solo, no less!

Nice to see Fortus is actually getting some screen time, too.

Crowd singing along to Better.  :peace:

01) Intro
02) Looney Tunes
03) It's So Easy
04) Mr. Brownstone
05) Chinese Democracy

- Frank On Drums "Guns N' Roses, Guns N' Roses"

06) Great Intro Of Slash, Welccome To The Jungle
07) Great Intro Of FRANK, Double Talkin' Jive
08) Better (Amazing Crew)
09) Estranged
10) Live And Let Die
11) Rocket Queen (Amazing Crew)
12) You Could Be Mine

Great Voice Of Axl / Slash On Fire / Good Crew / Melissa Vocals In Better AMAZING  :love:

https://g1.globo.com/musica/rock-in-rio/2017/ao-vivo/rock-in-rio-2017.ghtml

From Drone Live ->

https://www.facebook.com/RockInRio/


From Periscope -->

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1lDGLkpVMRYKm

Chinese Democracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=48&v=NDIQiiMoeN0

01) Intro
02) Looney Tunes
03) It's So Easy
04) Mr. Brownstone
05) Chinese Democracy

- Frank On Drums "Guns N' Roses, Guns N' Roses"

06) Great Intro Of Slash, Welcome To The Jungle
07) Great Intro Of FRANK, Double Talkin' Jive
08) Better (Amazing Crew)
09) Estranged
10) Live And Let Die
11) Rocket Queen (Amazing Crew)
12) You Could Be Mine
13) Attitude
14) This I Love
15)Civil War

Great Voice Of Axl / Slash On Fire / Good Crew / Melissa Vocals In Better AMAZING  love

https://g1.globo.com/musica/rock-in-rio/2017/ao-vivo/rock-in-rio-2017.ghtml

From Drone Live ->

https://www.facebook.com/RockInRio/


From Periscope -->

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1lDGLkpVMRYKm

Anyone else notice during Coma Axl appears to use the on stage communication channel on his mic to say something to the band or the guys at the soundboard while next to Duff?

LOL at the audience's terrible clapping during the intro to Slash's solo.

I hate to say it, but the band seems a bit rusty from the break. Lots of little mistakes and Axl speeding up lyrics.

Axl alluded to technical issues. Those are likely playing a role.

Ali

No, I'm not talking about the technical issues. I'm talking about Slash messing up the end of the Sweet Child intro riff and the chords to Coma at one point, the band being out of sync in the beginning of the first verse of Jungle, Axl speeding up Coma verses (more than I think he ever has before) and other stuff I cant recall.

Wichita Lineman was absolutely beautifully done.

Do you not think that if they're having issues with their in-ear monitor system that could cause the timing to be off?

Ali

There's definitely been tech issues. I have noticed Axl messing with his microphone pack all night. But if there are issues with the inner ear monitors and they're having trouble hearing each other that certainly could cause them to mess up. As for missing notes or messing up solos that's all on Slash but hey it happens.

Fair point. They're mostly on point now, anyway. Wichita Lineman sounded great. It took this professional recording for me to really appreciate the song.

And the website just went down for a few seconds. I swear this band can't get a break when it comes to rock in rio. It seems something always goes wrong.

Happened to me earlier, but it's been fine since. So then, it seems like the issue is just with the website, not the actual broadcast.

When he messes with his pack, he's having issues. I think he can adjust the volume of his monitor there too.

Ali

Just now my internet went down now. I can't win tonight lol.

Oh yeah that won't be an issue with the tv broadcast that will be posted on dime later. Just annoying i missed a little bit of the show.

Ok, to be the unpopular one.. I still say Frank is way too technical of a drummer (not as much as Sorum) to play AFD era tracks. If I wanted mechanical, robot drumming I'd want something else.. Fortus at least brings his soul to the table, Frank is mechanical. It's a shame too, it's bringing down the overall feel of the show. Maybe I just like the Adler/Moon style of drumming more than "Imma do what the boss says" style.

Anyone else feel the vocals and backing vocals have gotten louder in the mix as the show went on?

Yes. The mix seems like it has been adjusted on the fly a bit.

Ali

Ok it isn't just me then.

HAHAHA@Duff's shirt.

So happy they've gone full acoustic for patience again. That's how it was meant to me played.

Rosie.... :beer:

Man they are really going for it with no curfew. We're at 3:20 by my count.

This... so much this.. A great song to play yourself too on guitar.

wish I could be there  :peace:

Pretty cool they asked The Who for permission to play The Seeker.

And the song I HATE in a live show.. Paradise City.. means it's all over

Can you elaborate on that?
Also, what was so funny about Duff's shirt?  ???

Slash solo behind his head = LEGEND

Axl said they weren't gonna play it out of respect but said they asked The Who and got the green light. He also mentioned it was one of their most favorite songs to play. Duff's shirt said no fucks given.

That was a marathon. 3 hours 25 minutes!

Duffs shirt said "No Fucks Given" which is how most of us want to live our lives

Apart from the techical issues Axl is really strugglin trough all the show.. He should rest his voice for a while

Slept this one out due to other issues-having no joy on YouTube or anything with watching it. Anyone seen the full gig available anywhere?

The webcast version is on Dime but not the tv broadcast yet. I'd wait for that one.

both are on Dime now.

I haven't use Dime in a long time and don't know how to.where is the torrent link ?
Which client you use ? (i got utorrent)

Uh, no. Not true.

Ali

While not as good a show as the Apollo, there were clearly technical issues. They seemed to settle in by RQ.

Ali

Wow what a ride! By far the longest GNR concert I ever been...and the best!!!
Axl voice sounded good from an audience standpoint, however there's been a lot of critics and bashing in the social media from the people that watched from the TV as usual....no fucks given as Duff says! For the 100k people that were actually there the vibe was amazing. Axl was in a great mood, the reported technical issues were not noticeable...i noticed some screw ups during DTJ beggining but the band were laughing at it! For fucks sake, this is rock n roll!

Axl wearing a local culture hat by the end of the concert was graet, people loved it!

I thought that The Who would join them on stage but unfortunetly that didnt happen. It was almost 4AM local time when they played The Seeker so my guess is that the old guys were already sleeping  :hihi: :hihi:

Amazing Show  :love: Sao Paulo Sunset & After-->

CHILE

 :love:

Hahahaha. There's probably some truth to this.

Does anyone have the setlist by the way?

Thanks in advance

This was a better performance than 2011 (clearly IMO), and 2001. Some hiccups at first, but a nice recovery.

Ali

I think Axl started rusty, but Civil War sounds very cool.

I'm downloading this now! Super excited we got a good quality pro shot. Haters will always hate, if they want perfection, should go to an opera show, this is rock 'n' roll. 3:30 hrs of rock 'n' roll!

With the recording screw ups of the Troubadour and Dodgers in LA, this might be easily the only pro shot we get as the band most likely won't release anything. So yeah, super pumped to have it in a few hours. The only thing is the lighting of this show. Seems so dark. But hey, not complaining!

2011 was a 0 performance, everything is better than that, even me singing under the shower. 2001 was different but "better" in a sense, if we think it was a new band and their 2nd live performance. This performance is weak if we think about 2016 and firsts gigs of 2017... He definitely should take a break, i think its pretty normal...2 years of heavy touring kill everyone. Clean voice is weak, drive voice cracks a lot, screams are shorter & shorter... I dont know why rock in rio performances always have to suck balls since the 90s anyway  :peace:

I don't agree with anything you said. :peace:

Ali

Guess you missed the post by the fan who was actually there.  I copy n' pasted it here so you don't have to search the entire page to find it 6 posts above yours:

I think I'm that old too. I watched the whole thing, but it was brutal. 4:30am is too much for me nowadays. :P

Man i don't know what multishow is doing today but the site is inaccessible.

Try this one: https://g1.globo.com/musica/rock-in-rio/2017/ao-vivo/rock-in-rio-2017.ghtml

Jeez, some of you guys are a bit defensive of Axl... No singer is going to sound as good almost 2 years into a tour, as they did at the beginning. It's okay.


What does being there in person have to do with anything? That's a red herring. If anything, you can more clearly make out each instrument/vocals on a good recording as opposed to live. If you're going to say his voice didn't split on the high notes in Better, frankly, you're in denial. He needs a break before he damages his voice. But he's never stopped before and that's precisely the reason he has trouble with his voice.

There's being a fan, and then there's being a sycophant.

"Don't hail me and don't idolize the ink, or I've failed in my intentions..."

Being there in person has everything to do with it!!!  Axl himself has said over and over that he does it for the audience in front of him.

If you believe that watching this (or any show) on your laptop is the same as experiencing it in person then you're the one in denial.

A good example of this is that if you watch the feed, you could barely hear the 100,000+ crowd but heard the band clearly (albeit sometimes a little too clearly).  If you listen to the twitter stories feeds that Fernando posted, you could barely hear the band but could clearly hear the crowd.  And with the admitted technical difficulties going on, who knows what the band was hearing or not hearing.

I love watching the periscopes/facebook live feeds/etc. because it does give you (me) a glimpse into what the live audience is experiencing, warts and all.  But to believe that comes anywhere close to what the actual audience is experiencing is a fallacy.  99.999% of the time, the opinion of the experience by the person attending the show is by far the better gauge... unless of course, it's my opinion and then that's the one that's 100% correct.

As far as what you consider Axl having trouble with his voice, outside of that time he had the allergic reaction to the little people onstage in London and couldn't finish the show, isn't it the general consensus that his voice actually gets stronger as the tour goes on?  Needing to take a break??  They just had 2 weeks off!!!  Break time over!!!  Back to work!!!

And I believe it's been a long standing hope/wish/dream of the fans that before/during/after the tour, the band goes into the studio so we get a new album!  Since you believe Axl needs to take a break and rest his voice, do you also believe he should put any possible recording sessions off until he recovers from these alleged troubles?  (I'll answer for you)... FUCK NO!!!  Why?  Because just like watching/listening on a laptop is very different from the live experience, the studio sessions are also a very different experience than a live performance.   

And as for the hail n' idolizing thing, experiencing GNR live n' in person ... hot dang that boy is mesmerizing!!!

 

I thought he was pushing himself a little too much during the breakdown in "Better", but he settled in afterwards. He doesn't need a break. Your ad hominem attack doesn't facilitate a productive conversation.

Ali

I've been in Imola and the show was still great... I mean not "perfect" (mainly because of frank) but great. And it was just 3 months ago, I just sense this is a fast falldown.. Even if i noticed that Axl was startin' to struggle a little and his voice cracking the pa system smacked in my face his voice and that's ok, it's cool cause it's what u wanna hear. And when you see videos on yt the voice is a bit different yes, but not that much, just less power.  But if he keeps on touring this way we'll have a full mickey mouse in 6 months and i don't know how long will it take this time to rest his voice. Wonder if he would tour with ac dc next year what is going to happen, ac dc fanbase is not that sympathetic (while he can rest on his laurel with gnr fans). At this point he can't replicate those 2016 beast performances (god bless him for those shows :peace:) i mean everybody needs a rest just hope they wont add new shows and after this tour he will stop a little and then go to record something with slash & co. not starting another tour..

This show seems to be getting an absolute panning from many other places. Everything I've read has pretty much been a criticism- reviews in Brazil seem to all mention how poor Axl was. Having seen all this, I'm a little reluctant to seek it out.

Is the negative reaction it's getting justified in others opinion? Has the heavy touring schedule been too much maybe?

......just watched Coma. Wish I hadn't.

I'm chalking this up to an 'off night' because what I just watched was sloppy as fuck.

from what I've checked so far, they butchered the thing heavily (again). a bunch of tired aging guys, mostly looking bored or not really giving a shit. frequently out of sync (but this can be due tech issues, I admit). lead guitarist seems especially bored, frontman's vocals are extremely weak. the whole thing looks like a powered-off cover version, a bizarre caricature of itself during their heydays. especially the more complex songs sound embarassing. this is bad. compared to the first 2016 shows or the first shows from US tour 2016, this is much much weaker, not even talking about older shows, which now seem like from other galaxy. maybe if they just stripped down the setlist and do something like "AFD era setlists nostalgy revival with 1,5 hours duration", it would work better, but it seems obvious that they're increasingly less able to play the complex UYI and ChiDem era stuff. but I guess that wouldn't be such a huge profit...  :nervous:

I wonder if they planned on playing New Rose since it's title appears at the start of This I Love.

Not their best performance but it's always great to see a pro-shot!

IMO songs like Civil War, Don't Cry, Estranged and ChiDem are worth checking out. Good performances. I think Axl's voice was bothering him this night. Low rasp was really good, but the higher rasp was giving out on him and he was trying to adjust on the fly. Kinda think this was messing up his pacing as well. As mentioned, there were also technical issues and some general out-of-sync-ness with the band.

Some of the last shows before the break just a few weeks ago (Vancouver for example) were really strong performances so it's hard to say whether it's touring schedule, or just an off night.

You people have to realize that we are used to Axl's weaker voice.  General public, not so much.

Think of it like this.  Just this past weekend, I called up the Paris PPV show on my iPod.  Compared to that, Axl in 2017 is a pretty pale imitation of what people think of.

It's all about context and expectation.

I must say that Coma was the weakest song in what was otherwise a GREAT concert in Denver August 2017. Everything was out of sync and the lyrics were unintelligible.

Maybe they should drop that from the setlist and put in TWAT or something else from CD. I really liked Shacklers live when they played it in 2014.

Last night was an off night for sure.
We were here in 2011 after that fiasco but that was a struggling band as it stands in 2017 Guns N' Roses are the most successful rock band i the world. I've been to 8 reunion shows over since the reunion and the band have been great and it's even been reported in the media that Guns n' Roses have been getting nothing but good reviews all tour.
What's so sour about this show is that it's unfortunately the only concert we all got to join in and watch live together and was possibly one of the worst shows of the tour. Since the band started to increase the length of show the performance it seems fatigue has set in.
On top of this the band seemed to have had  trouble hearing themselves (typical of festivals in general) which led to unusual mistakes by Fortus and Duff.
The whole band seemed to have an off night

But I have witnessed some amazing concerts on this tour and I would be as critical as any of you if it was bad AxL on 'Yesterdays' seem like he's going through the motions this tour

Maybe the band just need to release an official dvd from one of the 2016 shows, that will satisfy some doubters. But I think at the end of the day we have to take into account that a voice is fragile and sometimes there is nothing you can do about it, but at least admit Axl has had many amazing moments vocally on this tour.
 
It could be the climate in Brazil, a bad IEM or just age, either way Axl knows this more than anyone he can critique himself. Maybe shorter tours is the answer or shorter shows? Maybe Axl needs to stop running around so much? We can't bash this whole reunion based on one show.

Hopefully they take this band into the studio in 2018 because that's where it really matters at the end of the day its all about composing great songs. Live is secondary to studio but i understand now it's all we have.

I am reading tremendous overreaction and hyperbole. He sounded just fine two weeks ago in San Antonio. Some things never change on the GN'R message boards.

Ali

He should fire Ron Anderson and hire you!   ::)

Ali

Oookay then...

Whoever he is "doing it for", doesn't change how he sounds from one person to the next.  If he puts in extra effort for the crowd, it is audible to everyone, not just those in person. You are aware that the people watching at home are not in an alternate universe where he did not put in extra effort, correct? Am I going to have to get into metaphysics to explain how reality works?

I very clearly stated that it is NOT the same listening to a recording as it is live, I said it is CLEARER on record. Maybe read what I say before responding?

The rest of your comment digresses into irrelevance that does not even make sense. What does hearing the crowd have to do with the band's performance?

IDK what the general consensus is around here (and I don't put stock in general consensus anyway), but I'll tell you that any vocal coach or physiologist would laugh their damn ass off at the idea that the voice gets stronger with abuse (which is what singing is, especially Axl's style). And it's pretty clear to me that Axl sounded great in 2010-2011 and then lost it when he kept touring until 2014. The two year break allowed him to recover and sound good in 2016, but now he's losing it again.

The short break may have helped Axl somewhat, but the rest of the band was clearly rusty for it. You can't blame sound issues for Slash forgetting the chords at a few points. You can't blame sound issues for Axl's voice cracking on Better, which it has been doing recently anyway, even at shows with no issues.

If you would like an album recorded with his voice being shot after a long tour, you would be the only buyer, I assure you that. The studio environment can allow more controlled environmental conditions, but that can only have so much effect. Drinking green tea and going line by line can only help so much if your voice is shot. Unless you want them to digitally repair his voice with autotune and other tricks. So if they are going to record an album, FUCK YES I want that official recording (which will be set in stone for those songs for the rest of time) to be the absolute best performance possible. Why in the hell would anybody not?

And my band has played live and recorded in studios, so it's pretty clear to me these are just weak excuses. Frankly, it sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. I would love to hear some actual specific details on how it's different live, if you can actually provide a single one instead of just repeating it over and over as if it were incontrovertible fact simply because you say it.


That wasn't the only time his voice cracked. And maybe you read it that way, but it was not an insult and I did not call him a sycophant. Essentially, I was saying "check yourself". Which is as much of an ad hominem insult as him saying that the opinion of anyone who was not there is invalid. How does that facilitate productive discussion?

And let me be clear, I am not "bashing" the band. But as I said, I am not a sycophant and will not delude myself into thinking they don't make mistakes. This is simply calling a spade a spade, being a realist.

Well i think he could hire you Mr Browntongue. Yes Axl, very good, yes yes yes my lord, yes yes, yes i wil do it on my knees, yes yes.

Anderson teached him how to sing with the right technique and how to preserve his voice...But even athletes train, have the rigth meal etc and then....crack...their muscles fuck up anyway.. Use your fuckin brain sometimes. It's not a matter of what u do, it's a matter of what it is. And actually his voice is almost shot, wanted or not. And it's funny, cause we've been in the same situation many times trough the years and still you have to learn how to distinguish between ax'ls good singing and axl's shit singing

Hell no.

I'd say we need to be concerned. The band looked absolutely knackered at RIR. Not just Axl, all of them- they looked to me like a band who desperately need a break from touring.

See how the next show goes, but the idea of them doing another 30 odd shows is to me, a bit worrying.

I'm not really criticizing the band here- it is what it is. 2 years of being on the road is a lot, even for a band half their age.

I'm sure the people there had a great time- and I really hope they did. For those of us not caught up in the atmosphere, watching it a bit more objectively, it doesn't look good. My housemate asked what I was watching and had a look for a few minutes. His reaction was "and you paid money to watch this?" I could argue that he probably hasn't clapped his eyes on a live performance by the band ever, but it still stung a bit. I want people to look at this band and go "wow- they're good live." Not a laugh and a few jokes at the quality of the performance. Take a show from a few months ago and then this one- no contest.

As I said above, hopefully this was a one off. A bad night.  To me though, it does look like a band in sore need of some serious time off, and I just hope the fact they're not getting it until December doesn't do damage to anything more longterm.

Some of you guys really know how to put a downer on something very cool.

Would hate to go to your birthday parties...

Would you say RIR was cool though? I found it really hard to watch.

Then I don't really know how to help you...

When everything is dubbed super terrific awesome, it tends to lose credibility, no?

Give me a guy who gives praise when things are good, but not so insecure as to fail to point out when things are a little off.  That person carries more weight than some pom-pom waver who just wants to tell me everything is amazeballs, 24/7/365, and if you don't think so, you are some bad fan. 

What is that person adding to the discussion?  You can write their responses for them before they even say them, can't you?

Epic is the gnr reunion itself
Cool are the 2016 shows
Great is Axl singin his ass off with ac dc

Not really cool Axl singin in rock in rio (and for the last 2 months) and even less cool: fans pretending everything is alright

If u can't notice the difference between performances well stop listening to music

Seriously - did you enjoy this show? I'm asking because of the large (and brutal) criticism it's had, and whilst I don't subscribe to the 'worst thing ever' point of view other forums look to be going in for, I certainly found it hard to sit through.

What did you like about it? I'm interested in hearing if people did like it, and why.

He doesn't sound as strong as he did last year.  If saying that makes me some monster, then just call me Frankenstein.

That said, I am going to to see them in 2 weeks and am still looking quite forward to it.

What gets lost in the "being there" versus soundboard is this.  You don't notice it as much when you are there.  Which is understandable, considering that anywhere from 20,000 to 60,000 people are singing along with him.  You are also more into it when you are there.

But when you listen to a soundboard recording in your living room, you don't have fans there singing along with him.  Nor are you as geeked up sitting on your couch as you would be standing in the venue live.  The weaknesses are harder to hide and easier to spot.

'thank you, thank you very much' :hihi:

Well said. There are 11 shows before the first Toronto show. I'm really hoping he's sounding better then but I'm still excited to see them. Saw GNR in 2006 and 2010. Before estranged, civil war, and don't cry were brought back. Plus all the songs they do now.  DTJ.. Coma ..Yesterdays.. Fortus and Slash together which is fucking awesome.. Brilliant duo. I've never seen Slash or Duff live.

  Getting back to the main point. Even if Axl makes a similar or worse performance in Toronto, I still have a lot to look forward to .. I get to see my favourite band for the third time with a setlist that includes 10+ songs I've never seen them play. A fusion of the original and CD lineups which I think is great! I know it's been a year and a half .. But the idea of slash playing CD songs still blows my mind. It would be awesome too have Izzy and. Steven, but the current lineup is great.

 I'm sure you can tell I'm pumped lol all that being said .. There were definitely some bad moments and technical difficulties but most of it  sounded decent

The problem with a lot of critics of the band is that they haven?t given credit when the band were doing well.
Just as you say you want a guy who isn?t always a yes man there?s plenty of always no people online. Someone with relatively realistic expectations is needed too.

There were times in 2012 or whenever it was where Axl did not sound good.... for him anyway..

For the entirety of this tour... he's been nothing short of amazing... 3 hour plus every night...

I didn't watch this show... but I guarantee people are over reacting to maybe him having an off night because it is Rock n Rio and how bad the last time was... and the people who are complaining about it LIVE to jump down his throat for the "mickey" voice and any other perceived fuck ups he has on a given night.

I wouldn't stress about it.

Going to all 3 MSG shows in a couple weeks.... and I am giddy about it!

nightrain was pretty good

You're probably right.

All 3 MSG shows?! Lucky/rich bastard!

This tour with this lineup has made them once again one of the biggest bands in the world. Granted Ive only seen a few snippets of this specific show, when a band has been on the road this long and plays shows that run 3+ hours, you're going to bound to have a few off moments. I just hope by December they arent hating being on the road as a tour like this would wear down anyone & hoping the chemistry between the 3 core members does not get strained. I would compare this band to someone running back to back marathons at this point.

Well I live in NYC ... and this is the Not In this Lifetime tour right? Can't take the money with you!

I agree this show didn't sound the best. Of the limited selection of soundboards we have, Apollo sounded pretty good imo.

I think people shouldn't "worry" about going to shows coming up, just because of the reason you mention. When you're there and is part of the energy of the whole thing, it's quite an awesome experience.

I'll be going to the first MSG show. I can't wait!!!!

I don't know about that.  I saw a nothing but positive reviews from last summer's tour. I can't really recall a bad one.

There were a few (especially early on).  We discussed them here.  One from...Chicago, I think? And one from another smaller market (Green Bay, maybe...I can't remember exactly).  I remember us all discussing those, in particular, because they stood out so much from the other reviews.

But it's a valid point (in both directions).

I can't comment on the show....I haven't seen it yet.  Works just been too nutty, and the 23rd was our 18th wedding anniversary. ;)

Definitely not their best show but there were some bright spots... Axl did a much better job on Yesterdays than usual, for example

Yeah, that rarely seems to be a strong one, for whatever reason.

Loved that song for years, then it struck me seeing it live this tour- it's quite a simple song really. Not much to it.

Yesterdays is a great song. Less is more.

I wish Slash would get that with the solo. He's been adding notes and it's not as good as the original solo.

painful

Ive finally started to watch the whole show. Coma is pretty painful to hear.  For whatever reason, the RIR shows generally don't seem to be their best night performancewise.

I think at this point we all should have learned the ''Rock in Rio lesson''...

Axl sounded bad in the RIR2011, then sounded like a posessed devil at Santiago de Chile just three days later and continued sounding excellent all the 2011 tour. It makes no sense, doesn't it? I attended the RIR 2011 edition, and when I got home I couldnt believe what people were commenting!

Axl sounded terrible in this RIR2017 edition, and what we have heard from Sao Paulo and what we are going to hear in the next concerts from youtube will sound great as always. Yes, of course he has high and low points, his voice is not regular, but how much more time are we going to kill Axl for the only reason that he's only pro-shotted (is this even a word? :hihi: ) in Rock In Rio? isn't the conclussion obvious? Have you ever attended a GNR concert in which he sounded THIS bad? I would bet my soul you did not.

Axl's voice is not ''stream friendly'' in general, but much less in the RIR stream. Axl voice is fine. Trust me.

What worries me A LOT is Slash. I am used to hear him DESTROYING all the ChiDem songs. I kinda accepted it. I don't expect nothing good from him, not even ''decent'', and I also dont expect anymore the band to tell Richard to take care of these solos. Just to mention one example: check the Chinese Democracy solo, which was divided between DJ and Ron in the past, and now its between Slash (the first part, thank God!!) and Richard, and you will clearly hear two things in two different paradigms. Something amorph, with no sense at all. The classic bluesy/sloppy nonsense by slash followed by the crystal clear exact-like-the-album part of Richard. Slash destroys Sorry, destroys TIL (it hurts to see such a beautiful song completely butchered by his 1 minute participation), destroys Better... but now he started to destroy his own songs! Can anybody tell me what did Slash play in the Estranged solos at RIR? What did he do with Yesterdays? This is new and surprising: i was able to predict that Slash was going to destroy the chidem songs, but not his own songs!

At this point, and admitting I have always wanted GNR to play more and more ChiDem songs (like in Japan 2009), I have to say I would like the band to stop playing these songs. The new generations that are hearing these songs for the first time with Slash's live performances are gonna hate them. And I will not be ble to blame them.

there's much truth in what you say my friend. I'd just like to add one more - Richard is also struggling a lot to play Bucket's notes. I can't blame him, he's doing everything he can, but this just shows how drastically this band lacks a guitar guy, who can play clearly note by note, no matter how complicated the guitar track is. what's the point of having songs with excellent guitar melodies (written by Slash in the past and Buckethead somewhat after him), when the only guy who could ever play or rather replicate those properly was Bumblefoot?

As a big Slash fan (to make a huge understatement), I actually have to agree. Some time around the Apocalyptic Love tour, he seemed to lose that amazing melodic sensibility I loved him for and started doing all his solos off the cuff. Which he could get away with in 1992 because he had that innate melodic sensibility, but now his improvisations are very meandering and directionless, lacking in melody and structure. And also, since he started pushing his technical chops (slightly; it's overstated how much he has progressed and understated how proficient he was on the UYI tour), he seems to go for quantity over quality. Frankly, he's become the kind of wanking soloist that was the antithesis of why I liked him in the first place. And now it seems to have set in fully, as World on Fire had almost entirely improvised solos (according to Slash himself), and he has clearly not bothered to learn the existing CD solos or write his own instead. I fear for any future possible GNR material that he will put very little effort into actually WRITING solos. And if Axl has a beautiful ballad for him, we will not hear those incredible soaring bends of November Rain or Yesterdays.

However, I will say that his old style shines through occasionally. I was impressed by his solos on Wish You Were Here. I think having to literally compete back and forth with Richard forces him to think more melodically there. It's funny, think about how the tables have turned since his "battle" with Zakk Wylde where Slash was the one with superior melodic sense, and now Fortus is pushing him melodically.

I have to agree with estabanf.

Even with Velvet Revolver i thought Slash was the least impressive member in a live setting.

Yep slash has lost is touch a little in soloing, but at the same time i could say for sure that his sound is great and heavier than ever, he's really on point more than bumble or ashba for sure, when u listen to him live u notice the difference. his musical presence is on another level

Esteban is right. People should understand that youtube videos shall not be compared with live streams. In general, RiR mixing is plain awfull and really destroys the sound. Even Steven Tyler did not sound that good...its a systemic mixing issue with RiR Brazilian TV broadcast. There are a lot of people saying...Axl recovered his voice in Sao Paulo show....Jon Bon Jovi recovered his voice after a shitty RiR perfomance....they are wrong...the voice is sounding the same in the PAs however theres no live stream mix ...just youtube...comparisoms with different sound sources are just stupid!
EDIT: Public in general left the concert in awe for Slash. Nothing but major praise and admiration for the guy... i would say he outshined Axl.

We agree about bad mixing but shit voice is shit voce. In 2006 mix was the worst ever (really... 3 guitars and u cant hear none)but voice was good... If u are gasping, you cant reach notes, u cant sustain screams...Its not about sound system

I watched the gig today. I think it was a great show. Not their best night, but i wouldnt call it a ''offnight'' by any means.

Coma was far from a so called ?trainwreck? Axls timing was off in one phrasing, and recovered well. Also Slash broke a string but changed guitars without missing a note.

This had my favorite version of Double Talkin' Jive from this tour. The extended intro caused from technical difficulties worked well, and reminded me of the way they used to play this song in the 90s.


I noted the Slash has absolutely no time to catch his breath until the gap between Nightrain and Sorry.

Slash's take on the solo of Sorry has improved from last year.
I dig their take on Wichita Lineman

Also great versions of acoustic Patience, Dont Cry, Live And Let Die, Estranged to name a few.

It's not really a fair comparison. Jon Bon Jovi has sounded awful for many, many years, and without Richie Sambora to carry the vocal load they are a mess.

All this talk about Slash destroying solos of ChiDem material, yet nobody seems to remember Robin Finck basically murdeded all of Slash's classic solos and left a lot of fans ears bleeding during his tenure in GNR. As I'm watching and listening to RIR 2017 right now, Slash is playing beautifully and he's adding his own flavor to ChiDem solos rather than MURDERING them like Finck murdered his solos.

That's just my honest opinion and opinions are always subjective, but nevertheless I felt like I had to say it.

As for Axl's voice, he's always been a hit n' miss type performer. Some nights he sings like a god and others are a struggle, but the same can be said for pretty much every singer who does long tours, especially those who use a lot of higher register in their singing. And it ain't nothing new either. Axl's voice was shot during the 1991 leg of the UYI tour and 1992 he sang like an orgasm. But he always kept rasping in those days, which often resulted in tthroat problems later on in the tour and as I recall, the Montreal riot was partly because of Axl leaving the stage due to throat problems. At least he's learned to compensate now, even if it is a bit chipmunk-y...

Never been a fan of Coma, and i find it really hard for Axl vocally.

Couldnt care less if they would drop it at some point.

 : ok:  well said man   +1 here

Atleast Finck stayed on the same key and octave.

Still to this day my favourite solos of Mr.Brownstone and Its So Easy were done by Robin.
Im not even mentioning Chinese tracks.
I gotta admit Robins take on November Rain was something i was never a fan of.