Here Today... Gone To Hell!

According to Meegan on Instagram, Slash will be recording by the end of this month for SMKC. Full article here:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/slash_entering_studio_to_work_on_new_solo_album_this_month_his_girlfriend_says.html

Goddamn that man is a hard worker! Hopefully it will light a fire under Axl's ass on new material... who knows?

I have to doubt it.....if Axl wanted to release new material with the current lineup, they would have already done it. It is what it is......

This is so annoying.  Slash off doing his own thing, Axl guesting on Em's new cd and Duff in a bar room fight with guys singing soprano.  WTF?  United they take on the world, divided Duff's getting the shit beat out of him by guys Melissa could take.

Why is it so hard to record anything for a Guns album or even an ep !?
They made this whole tour look so easy and effortless, why can't a new album be just as easy ?
But then again,this is guns n f'n' roses so no need for whining.

I think deep down we all knew this was going to happen. Slash is prolific and will move forward with new music while GNR is stuck in the past. I am not criticizing the GNR shows from the NITL tour, they were great, but the most recent song they performed is already 10 years old or more.

Personally, I love seeing Slash live so I am excited that he will have new music and presumably a new tour with Myles and the Conspirators. Can't wait!

What?s all this??

According to Myles Kennedy, he just released his solo record and has a tour starting as he said on Eddie Trunk's podcast. If there was a new Conspirators record to be made,plans would be different.
Maybe Slash's girlfriend intends to mislead annoying twitter and instagram followers.

my thoughts too as soon as I read her quote.

Wait... what?

Really? Because that's news to Myles, according to his recent interviews and plans.

Slash can lay down tracks without Myles. This will be the start of the process.

OK, but..without Myles even knowing he was doing it?  Because Myles is pretty clear that, from what he knows, nothing is going on.

I find it hard to believe Slash would be recording material without Myles knowing he was going to do it.  And she did say "they will be getting back t the studio". 

No "they" won't.  Because, again, Myles isn't available, nor does he have any clue (apparently) that "they" are working on anything.

I find it much easier to believe she was trolling, or mistaken, or something like that.

Because Axl is lazy.  We dance around it and try to come up with all these scenarios to avoid having to say that, but ultimately, it's the reason.

Obviously, this is not across the board.  It takes a tremendous amount of effort to do 3 hour shows all across the world for 2 years.

But in terms of challenging himself to do something new, that fire is long extinguished.  He's happier just sticking to what he knows, belting out 30 year old tunes and soaking up the cheers.

Axl is all about the path of least resistance.  And has been, for awhile now.

Guns release at least one album every decade. We'll get one from this and one for the next one. Just wait and see  : ok:

So much for the vault wonder if it will see the ligh of day

If Guns had any intention of making an album Slash wouldn't be giving his riffs to a SMKC album that will get 5% as much attention.

Personally, I think SMKC is a totally different sound, and Slash knows it.  In the same way, Loaded is a different beast too. To me, it's about the sum of all the parts, rather than one member's contribution to another group of musicians. Axl, like the the rumoured %age split of NITL Tour monies, I'd say is replicated on any album in terms of contribution to the sound, but without him there is no Guns n Roses, VR proved that.

What's this shit about a Duff being in a bar fight and Axl appearing on 'Ems' album?

I've heard nothing about either of these things.....

Most of us wouldn't be bothered even to tour with old songs if we had that much money already :peace:

Perhaps Slash has an ongoing contract with the record company and owes albums under the conspirators name.

The Conspirators is Slash's band, so it's understandable it's his first priority.

about new Guns music...who knows except (maybe) Axl?

She's a troll, I find it hard to believe anything she says.
I believe GN'R would put out something, either a new recording, a live cd/dvd or a fancy reissue.

I think Slash releases his albums through his own record company, Dik Hayd.

Also, what's that with Axl guesting on someone's record and Duff's bar fight?  ???

Duff in a bar brawl :

http://news.radio.com/2017/12/06/awolnation-seven-sticks-of-dynamite-video/

Right. So he's got a cameo in a music video. Not quite the suggestion of him 'getting the shit beaten out of him' that was stated then!

Exactly.  And still nothing on Axl guesting any vocals.  Who's Em, btw?

I'm presuming that refers to Eminem.....but no mention of anything to do with Axl on his new album.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival_(Eminem_album)

Good for Slash, but Christ almighty Axl....GET TO WORK!!!

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Haha! Saw that! The only place mentioning it on the entire internet is some kid who can't seem to form a sentence. I think I'm writing it off as 'bullshit' untill I hear otherwise!

I thought Eminem but that just sounds so bizarre.  And now I know there is one place on the internet with this story...my bullshit meter is going off.

I was thinking that too.

And -- lest we forget -- Slash is officially a hired hand in neo-Guns N Roses.   Axl still owns the name, and Slash is currently a member by contract only, which ultimately means he's at Axl's mercy in terms of creating, recording, and releasing new music.

Remember why Slash started his own projects to begin with?  He wasn't keen on waiting around for Velvet Revolver.  More directly, he wasn't keen on waiting around for Scott Weiland to get his shit together, so he started doing his own thing.

Even if Axl doesn't have the same issues that Scott did, Slash is still unlikely to wait around for any affirmative signal from Axl.  Life is too short, and I can't blame him.

Eminem can and will surely help Axl to redeem himself as his image has been tarnish for far too long.  :rofl:

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/myles-kennedy-says-there-are-no-concrete-plans-to-work-on-new-slash-solo-album/

Weird. Two opposing stories coming from two close sources.....

We don't know what was agreed in regards to that before Slash and Duff rejoined the band. Nor is it any of our business.

Very true. There's nothing to suggest he is "officially a hired hand".

I bet they are all just gonna chill out for the next 6 months, certainly a well deserved break. 

That would be my bet too.

Not without a new record they won't!  :rant:

lol wishful thinking :)

A live album/DVD for this tour would seem like a given if they were like most bands. . .

It is true that we are not privy to the contracts that were signed or the terms thereof. But it is also true that there never once was any talk among the band members that NITL was anything more than a reunion tour. There was zero talk of the band back together. To the best of my knowledge there was only the Duff/Axl interview in 2016 but never an interview with all three of them. Neither Slash nor any other member gave any indication that some form of GNR was a "thing" again. Thus, it is perfectly reasonable to believe that both Duff and Slash were hired guns or else we would have heard something from someone that it was something more. But we did not.

Who gives a fuck whose business it is?  ??? ::)  I said it whether it's my business or not.  : ok:  In context of the discussion that was actually being had, it was perfectly legitimate to mention.


Actually, common sense suggests it.

Do you think Axl signed the GNR name (or a portion of it) back over to Slash after having spent years and millions fighting to secure the name?  That is HIGHLY unlikely.

No, we don't know EXACTLY what type of agreement was signed, but I highly doubt Axl cut Slash back into the organization as a permanent rights holder or created some new partnership over it.

It is much, much more likely that Slash did indeed sign a "Hired Hand" style agreement that protected all of his interests, and paid him appropriately for the drawing power of his participation.

And, getting the discussion back on track (steering it away from that ridiculous "its none of of our business!"  :crying: bullshit), it is also perfectly reasonable to assume this would be a reason Slash wouldn't wait around forever for Axl to make up his mind about new music, if indeed any stalling is taking place.

.....and getting it out for the christmas market would also be a given. As would a deluxe versipn of AFD for it's 30th anniversary.

Common sense has never been a factor in this band though!

It's all total speculation. It could well be that a deal was struck whereby anything under the NITL banner operateed differently. It could be anything.

Slash owns his own record company so it's entirely in his discretion.

And it is demonstrably untrue that he is a hired hand based on the one fact that we do know about the arrangement; they split the profits into thirds. Slash and Duff are not on a fixed salary like Fortus, Ferrer, etc.

I'd say it's more like Snakepit; Slash was writing material and Axl was sitting on his hands, so Slash wasn't going to let it be wasted.

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It is irrelevant what Slash's salary is and how he receives it (up front pay, gross profits, etc).  I never mentioned anything about whatever he's being paid, nor did I argue what he was getting as opposed to what someone else is being paid.

He's not on a fixed salary?  So what.  So Slash has still been "hired" and put under contract to work for a "third" (or whatever) of the profits made from touring.  As I said, it is extremely unlikely that Slash was granted any percentage of Guns N Roses ownership, which isn't the same thing as being granted by contract a percentage of the "touring profits".  Whatever percentage Slash gets is temporary and conditional upon him touring under the name Guns N Roses.  It doesn't mean he owns anything with the actual entity of Guns N Roses, which is what I said and meant all along.

Axl is making a third of the touring profits, too. Does that make him a hired hand? Does somebody have to own merchandising rights to be a "real" member? Slash and Duff still have a say in old material, as proven by Live Era and the Greatest Hits debacle. The only thing they don't have a say in (as far as we know) is merchandising the brand name of "Guns N Roses".

"Whatever percentage Slash gets is temporary and conditional" That is pure speculation. That's just as valid as if I were to proclaim "Slash gets to dictate what pants Axl wears" with just as much certainty.

I'm gonna say this as directly as possible since you're not reading me....

AXL SOLELY OWNS THE NAME GUNS N ROSES.

We all know that.  You can argue and kid yourself about it, but he still owns it.  He's gonna own it tomorrow and the next day.  That means ANYONE who works under that name is HIRED HAND, regardless of what percentage/salary/contract/agreement/yadayada they receive.

Slash's and Duff's well-known status as shareholders in terms of royalties, licensing, merchandising, etc is irrelevant to my argument and still is.

My original point about new music remains intact as well.  If Axl owns the name Guns N Roses, he is the one with ultimate say over music that gets recorded under its name, not Slash or anyone else.  So Slash wouldn't wait around.

Actually, we don't know that. This is similar to when you and I debated about Guns reuniting. You were so negative and stubborn with your reasoning. You didn't want to listen at the time even though all signs were pointing to the reunion.

I'm leaning to the fact that there is a partnership between Axl, Slash, and Duff. If Slash and Duff were "hired hands" they would actually be on salary. They would not arrange a split like this in legal terms..

With that being said, I'm hoping for a new GNR album in  late 2018/early 2019.

The fact that the big 3 may or may not have split revenue three ways (which I highly doubt) has nothing to do with whether Slash was a hired hand or not.

To me, the issue is simple and clear. A person is either an owner or not. If not, then he is an employee.

Since we heard nothing about a transfer or division of ownership, it is reasonable to assume that there was none.

Therefore, Slash, Duff, and the rest are employees.

Don't make assumptions!  Since I do work for a financial news and information company, I can tell you that if a company is private, it is very tough to find out who are the legal owners. Private companies do not have to disclose. Guns N' Roses is a private company. They do not have to disclose who owns  it.

Since this is the entertainment industry it is reasonable to assume that a division or transfer of ownership would leak out one way or another.

Who really cares what each member made i don't think they will be eating out of garbage cans any time soon. Most important thing was everyone seemed to get along and had great camraderie. Lets all be thankful for the last 2 years of touring we got that people who didn't get to see this band in their heyday got to see them multiple times like myself.

Not necessarily. It 's still a business that requires legal  documents, which are confidential. Those documents are handled by attorneys and business managers. Attorney and business managers are bound by client privilege. If anything leaks, they can be sued since this is a private company.

Considering Axl has not been shy of using the court system, I'm sure those attorneys and business managers  would protect their own business interests.

Look we can't go by assumptions. Even the split is based on hearsay. No one knows exactly what the business relationship is between Axl, Slash, and Duff nor should we since that should be between the three of them.

All I can say is that if the split is true then that is an indication that there is a legal partnership between the three of them. If not then maybe Slash and Duff  are hired hands. However, no one should be making any assumptions since no one knows.

^The key word is not "assumption" but rather "reasonable."

You are making assumptions that I think are not reasonable.

The word partnership is a backdoor way of saying partial ownership.

IMO it is simply silly to assume, believe, or assert that Axl gave up any ownership in order to do a reunion tour.

In other words, I do not buy for one nanosecond that there is any partnership other than agreeing to play together on stage.

My "assumptions" are a polite way of saying common sense. Your assumptions lack reasonableness and common sense.

Believe what you want. I don't care if you want to engage in delusions. They do not change reality.

And for the record: splitting revenue does not in any way imply anything like a legal partnership. That simply is not true. It can be, as I have stated before, an owner-employee relationship.

I think you need to read some labor and contract law.

Aces on all points there, russkwtx.  Glad to see at least one other person understands what I said -- and further understands that what I said was reasonable.

I wasn't even going to respond again because it's like talking to a brick wall.  They don't like what I said about Slash being a hired hand so they concoct all these ridiculous fantasies, none of which are plausible.  But your last post definitely nailed it on all fronts.  The fact that they keep assuming that the revenue (allegedly) being split MUST mean that there MUST have been a shift in Guns N Roses ownership is particularly outlandish.

I'm gonna say this as directly as possible since you're not reading me...

I never said otherwise. In fact, I made it very clear that I knew that in my post:


Is that not obvious enough for you? You must be a terrible listener in conversation. Having ownership of the band name is just your personal arbitrary definition of what makes a "real member", it is not incontrovertible fact. There are bands with not a single member who owns the rights to their name, because the record company does. Are those bands with no "real members" at all?

And, I included the qualifier "as far as we know" because, for all we know, they could have once again split ownership of the name.


Do regular employees get a share of the profits (and we're not talking about occasional bonuses)? At the end of the day, your definition of what constitutes a "real member" is your own arbitrary determination, not a fact.


Your assumptions are just as unreasonable as ours because we both have ZERO conclusive evidence to base them on. The difference is that you seem to lack the humility to admit this. All we are saying is that the one piece of partial evidence we do have is that they are splitting the touring profits. If anything, that would make it MORE REASONABLE to assume they are also splitting the ownership as well, than assuming otherwise. Simple common sense.


That is a weak and transparent attempt to claim authority. Hell, if you really know how complex labor and contract laws can be, you'd know that Axl could be considered an employee of the record company despite owning the name. Does that make him a hired hand? Again, "real band member" and "hired hand" are not legal terms, they're arbitrarily defined terms.

You should really drop the hubris, it's not a good look.

Ha. No offense dude, but you obviously don't know anything about labor and contract law since you previously stated that something would have leaked out due to it being the entertainment industry. To me, it shows that you don't have knowledge of how legal and business works.

I work at Bloomberg LP. I've had numerous amounts of jobs there over the last 17 years. I have done legal research. I do know something about labor law as a result.  Part of my current responsibilities is to research executives in the Private Equity industry.  I can tell you from working at this, it's not easy to find as to who the executives are and who owns some of the General and Limited Partnership entities. They do not have to disclose since  they are privately owned. Ditto with GNR.

As far as common sense, it is common sense to assume that the three of them compromised along with agreeing to things on both music and business. What that is we don't know nor should we know since that is their business.  With that being said, I'm done with this. 

Great post!

Simply..

Slash Continue Whit Myles & Conpirators

And

Axl Continue Whit Guns N' Roses

 : ok:

Personally I would like to see the current lineup go all-in with GN?R. Albums, new tour (after this one?s done), music videos, interviews.

Saturday Night Live performance.. ;)

Idem

 : ok:

There?s really no good reason not to...

Slash would have an easier time continuing with Myles than Axl would have continuing with Guns N Roses.  At this point, there's no going back to Chinese Democracy-esque lineups now that the world has experienced Slash and Duff back in the band.

Time To Time

 : ok:

Say what?   ???

As far guns n roses goes, axl and co are a bunch of money grabbing sell outs if they dont release a brand new studio album... playing all their classics including coma live just dosent justify shit from them... they are just a tribute band, nothing less nothing more

Thanks for that. 'Playing all their classics...just doesn't justify shit" might be the most incomprensible and senseless thing I've read on here in some time.

Well done!

Some things never change....  ::)




/jarmo

No new studio album in sight, constant touring, nope, some things never change. 
Which is fine but dont talk about having 3 albums of material if there's no intention of releasing it anytime soon.

Oh yeah boy. Man GNR with all their touring ... wow they just suck. LOL. The things people cry about on this site.

One album in 27 years is beyond bad. It's put up or shut up time.  Do you want to hear the same 30 year old setlist.  It would be nice to hear new music. My prediction is nothing new and in June the same 30 songs.

Hey, don't forget about that yahoo who posted that thread awhile back criticizing Slash for wearing his top hat too much!   :hihi:

Zeppelin hasn?t put one out in 35 years and if they went on tour and played the same old songs I still wouldn?t be crying. And by the way you use the worst example of stats. Another way to look at it: They?ve put out two albums in the past eight years - Chinese and the live one that even featured a blue ray with it.

Your right, Who cares if your fave band doesnt put albums out and constantly tours the same songs for over a decade.....sick...super stoked for the next one! Go team GnR, whatever you do, il will support and will only speak positive 24/7 because thsts what a good lil GnR fan boy does. Honestly, they can do no wrong in some eyes, i was and am the biggest gnr fan but honestly, its getting boring, and sorry but Slash working with Myles doesnt do much to help raise the concern for the status of GnR in 2018.

I guess i should be stoked for a new Slash n Myles album and another GnR show sonetime in the next 1 to 3 years, YES!!!! Cant wait for that one day someday in the future! Im pumped!!

I bet everyone would embrace a new GNR album.

Instead of just stating that you hope for that to happen, you seem to go down the bitter and angry road about it.

It?s not about anyone thinking they can ?do no wrong?, you?re totally wrong about that. It?s about what one choose to focus on.

You were/are....honestly?

I like to think that Axl is working with the new album.
I wouldn't mind if other members came out with new music in the meantime...both things are possible.

I think if Axl was working on material, Slash would be working on it with him.

Facts are facts  ::)

Bullshit is bullshit.

And apples are apples!

Am I doing this right? :P

Yeah, the fact that you'll never be happy!

Even if they had released a new album yesterday, they'd still play the old songs that most people know already. It's not gonna change. They still wouldn't do multiple tours for free so you wouldn't have to be upset and obsessed with them getting paid!  :hihi:

I get it, you want a new album. It's the usual. Most of us would love to hear new music. It's just that some express that wish in a negative boring way.




/jarmo

Ok dont spur false accusuations about me... you say im never going to be happy? How do you know that? Im actually very happy!

I dont go around assuming how the fuck your feeling cuz i really dont give a flying fuck about your mood....

Ok i get it you fly with the band,eat,shit,sleep photograph, with axl and co, so yeah i get it you will always defend Guns N' Roses from ppl that might talk negative about the band. I get it... id defiently do the same exact thing you are doing... this band is your bread and butter so what would you be doing today if you werent associated with them?

The point is that this band isint going to produce a new album (you already know that) they will continue doing world tours get massive tour payouts keep milking it and then they will hang it up and move on with their lives... hey look i get it why not cash out? I mean how cool is to see axl and slash together again?  But its a slap to the face to the fans that are shelling out all this cash for this band and they are anticipating an album release that...yeah wont get released EVER. So go ahead burn your hard earned money on Guns N' Roses, atleast they come out on time this time around.

Some things WILL never change  : ok:

How is it a slap to the face???

Nowhere has there been a promise of new material whatsoever. Some said they would, "like there to be". Seeing them together (Slash, Duff, Axl) pacifies so many that most don't even really care whether they put out a new song let alone an entire album. Its not a slap to anyones face. they dont owe me shit. would i love it, yes.. will ti happen... who the hell knows? i'm just happy to have seen them live a couple different times, in a couple different cities.. anything beyond that is sprinkles man

they've been tourin' intensively, let's give this lineup a chance. If Axl and Slash never release a song together, that would be a pity but it would be ok. I won't blame them (Slash will continue his stuff, the same for Duff and maybe Axl retires or release some old CD material)

They've been touring for 2 years. If we don't listen any update from Duff or Slash durin this year maybe the tour was all, but I'll get them a chance. They're reconectin'

I don't get how it's a slap in the face? For 20 years most of the things we heard was "it's not GN'R without Duff/Slash" and then for years it was also "we need an album".

Well, one of those stopped for obvious reasons. 

New music wouldn't change it.

I don't get the whole spending money problem (the band making money). It's a problem for fans to spend money on tickets when there's no album? But if they put out an album and fans have to spend money on it, plus tickets, it's not a problem? It somehow justifies your expense? You're still seeing the band and getting one hell of a show.




/jarmo

It's not a slap in the face at all. I buy a ticket, I get what i wanted. If i didn't want it, i wouldn't buy a ticket. They're not at my door demanding my attention and money! There are many many banda i don't like- i don't go to their shows, let alone spend my time posting about them on their fan forums!

How about laying off jarmo too? I defend this band against a lot of things and I've never met a single band member. I'm a fan-so what? There seems to be an awful lot of pretty weird hatred chucked jarmos way dor some reason- as if it's wrong that he is employed by them. Why do you give a fuck? Has he ever personally attacked you or your job?

funny thing is, if Slash & Duff didn't came back, we'd probably have a new GNR LP already.

Duff is not attending the release party for the new  Walking Papers record. I hope he is Guns busy? ::) ::) ::)

Ummm, how do you figure that?

well, if Axl spent a lot of time in studio in 2015, it was probably to release the second half of CD in 2016 or 2017.

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...since Ron & DJ left and Slash & Duff came back, plans changed, it was time to do this kind of reunion tour instead.

in all logic part of the material Axl finished in 2015 will probably receive Slash & Duff treatments, for a finale GNR LP.

And bullshit is bullshit...

Seems like Slash was in a studio yesterday (photo via @gnrnewsbrazil)

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Axl must have a ton of material stashed in the Vaults they sat for 14 years on Chinese Democracy and only released it because  of pressure from the record company and the threat of Lawsuits,I reckon if they got their heads together and put out a new kick ass record it would resurrect Rock music and give it the boost it so badly needs, the tour was hugely successful and fans could re live their youth again but moving forward it needs an injection of new material, they were playing 9 covers at one point during the NITLT tour which is crazy one or two is acceptable but most would have preferred a few new GnR tunes it would also prove that they weren't just a nostalgic act who just play songs from the last century.Slash I'm sure also has loads of ideas and riffs he could bring to the table along with Duff but the real jewel in the crown would be to get Izzy onboard and write with Axl then we would really see something special . :beer:

There looks to be a vocal mike set up in that room....

Not sure where they got the picture, but Slash did post about someone passing away. In that post the person was pictured behind a mixing board. Could be related to that instead of it being recent studio pic.

I think we have to assume it's for SMKC. After all, if Meegan was talking out her ass, they would have all been quick to correct the record.

Chris Tsangarides,  record producer, sound engineer, and mixer.
According to wikipedia he never worked with Slash.

From Slash's instagram posted yesterday:
slash  RIP #ChrisTsangarides
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Doesn't really look like the same guy to me. ???

Epiphone just announced their version of the Anaconda Burst LP and the video uses WOF as the background track. Seems strange since he's with GNR now. Could mean nothing, or something...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNtjA1564ao&feature=youtu.be

I read it was at a recording studio his son?s band were using.

That sounds like the most likely answer. They did an interview with some podcast, although I didn't listen to it I assume they must be working on something if they're getting press.

Definitely. We've had no reports, sightings or even rumours of any other member of GNR going to a studio.

That seems to have been confirmed, I guess that is Adam Day (Slash's guitar tech behind the board). His sons band is looking for a lead singer, the audition is send a tape signing an AFD track (I think Out Ta Get Me).

I have just a silly question to ask. Why is this topic not in the solo, side projects section. I understand Slash has been out with GNR obviously but whatever his involvement with Myles should be in that section I would think.

While the title would have to do with his side project, obviously much of the content is how this impacts the possible release of new GnR material and what if anything is happening inside of GnR between now and the European tour... that's just my take on why it is here and hasn't been moved to a 'more appropriate' section.