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Title: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: GypsySoul on November 02, 2019, 03:59:26 PM [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV @ Colosseum at Caesars Palace
(http://gypsysoul.webspaceforme.net/Vegas1.png) Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: GypsySoul on November 02, 2019, 11:54:50 PM https://www.facebook.com/kanefrentzel/videos/10220329095888264/ CW
https://www.facebook.com/kanefrentzel/videos/10220328935804262/ RQ https://www.facebook.com/kanefrentzel/videos/10220328838041818/ https://www.facebook.com/georgeovelyons/videos/2825448510798990/ https://www.facebook.com/michael.stavrinakis/videos/10218587484790593/ https://www.facebook.com/anthony.lucero/videos/10216687001984362/ https://www.facebook.com/KnowleDJ/videos/2830014777023188/ https://www.facebook.com/georgeovelyons/videos/2825392847471223/ Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 03, 2019, 12:12:09 AM https://www.facebook.com/anthony.lucero/videos/10216687001984362/
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 03, 2019, 01:10:28 AM https://www.facebook.com/kanefrentzel/videos/10220329040126870/?__tn__=%2CdlC-R&eid=ARDwvW7gqDP1fWlJFer2ELnRAkfEEXtvL6_aqtRoTa_EBPdsJvu1OmldpLJfySKE522eyrUHxQtxd3Zn&hc_ref=ARQocO-GIGYLdnZdHKAndgGSX6yymbRSnNfdlVT6q2sNA8zB0ScaSobAMMMna9Nnm8w
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 03, 2019, 01:15:50 AM https://www.facebook.com/kanefrentzel/videos/10220329095888264/?__tn__=%2CdlC-R&eid=ARAUh_rg39iw_zVbRa9gNnH4s6BhbvOv-Bfp5ReSeazrNYPK3ejMc7HlrmYWBeBBG3DJp0E5ijqv_hgO&hc_ref=ARQi_2XR94GIIsRHUh8oGV-c4dvUEoG9-WKvGRQMezCNV6vYxOA-qD7O0Krxsgq_1fo
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 03, 2019, 01:34:50 AM WTF, my trigger finger hurts from clicking refresh. ;D
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 03, 2019, 01:55:24 AM https://www.facebook.com/anthony.lucero/videos/10216687386233968/
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 03, 2019, 01:07:14 AM https://www.facebook.com/georgeovelyons/videos/2825618807448627/
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 03, 2019, 01:16:57 AM https://www.facebook.com/gunsnroses/videos/454202131880307/
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: GypsySoul on November 03, 2019, 01:27:40 AM https://www.facebook.com/kanefrentzel/videos/10220329444776986/
https://www.facebook.com/georgeovelyons/videos/2825649234112251/ MADDY!!!! Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 03, 2019, 01:39:40 AM https://www.facebook.com/kanefrentzel/videos/10220329444776986/ https://www.facebook.com/georgeovelyons/videos/2825649234112251/ MADDY!!!! That was great. :D Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 03, 2019, 01:41:16 AM Thank you GNR, happy holidays :D
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 03, 2019, 01:19:24 PM Really liked the stage here. Seemed more modern for some reason. Not sure who is doing the videos but I think they are cool.
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: rizzo160 on November 03, 2019, 05:48:26 PM Well it's finally over, a good tour indeed. Now it's time for GNR to get into the studio and work on an album. Hopefully get a new album by the spring and then go back on tour. See what happens hope for the best.
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 03, 2019, 08:49:00 PM I think it's time to get on the phone with Jersey Jack and make sure we have a new pinball machine for Christmas/studio time. :D
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: PermissionToLand on November 04, 2019, 01:08:15 AM Oof, some of those screams in Madagascar (took me this long to realize that's what you guys mean by "Maddy") sounded really damaging to his voice.
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: D-GenerationX on November 04, 2019, 12:34:50 PM Oof, some of those screams in Madagascar (took me this long to realize that's what you guys mean by "Maddy") sounded really damaging to his voice. Axl's live vocals are hit or miss these days. Just the way it is. And not even "good nights" versus "off nights". There some shows his voice varies song to song. Thing is, you don't notice it as much when you are there. It's much easier to spot and grade on recordings. But that's probably true of anyone. What's hard for GNR fans to reconcile are the AXL/DC shows. I saw GNR in July 2016. Took my Pop. We had a great time. Then 2 months later, I took my brother with me to see the last AXL/DC show. 3 songs into it, he turns to me and says "Axl sounds incredible. I should have gone with you in July." So how do you explain to him to you don't get *that* Axl with his own band? Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: Six Strings on November 04, 2019, 03:28:36 PM Simple. Variety of the voice range that the GN'R songs are comparable to the DC ones.
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: DeN on November 04, 2019, 03:30:01 PM yeah. well, ACDC songs permits more respiration for a singer I suppose, plus, with Angus, he had to rehearse, something he joked about but he didn't (want to) learned the lesson apparently. AND I have the impression he's doing these shows at 50% of his capacities for whatever reasons. to be honest I thought he was ill for quite some time, some thyroïde problems or whatever losing weight would be a good thing if he can manage it I wonder what Duff & Slash thinks about his performances these days, if they don't really care, or... Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: D-GenerationX on November 05, 2019, 02:31:27 AM I wonder what Duff & Slash thinks about his performances these days, if they don't really care, or... I wonder this too. I mean...they aren't deaf. Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: ITARocker on November 05, 2019, 03:31:22 AM Oof, some of those screams in Madagascar (took me this long to realize that's what you guys mean by "Maddy") sounded really damaging to his voice. Axl's live vocals are hit or miss these days. Just the way it is. And not even "good nights" versus "off nights". There some shows his voice varies song to song. Thing is, you don't notice it as much when you are there. It's much easier to spot and grade on recordings. But that's probably true of anyone. What's hard for GNR fans to reconcile are the AXL/DC shows. I saw GNR in July 2016. Took my Pop. We had a great time. Then 2 months later, I took my brother with me to see the last AXL/DC show. 3 songs into it, he turns to me and says "Axl sounds incredible. I should have gone with you in July." So how do you explain to him to you don't get *that* Axl with his own band? You don't notice it cause you're not focusing on Axl's voice. His voice it's so weird today, it lacks consistency...Age..medications..who knows. I think the ac dc shows were his swan song in terms of "old axl's voice": he pushed himself beyond his limits (with a little help of the technology) just for a short amount of time. Hope the new songs would suit better his voice. Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: DeN on November 05, 2019, 09:10:47 AM I wonder what Duff & Slash thinks about his performances these days, if they don't really care, or... I wonder this too. I mean...they aren't deaf. don't want to paint the guys more cynical that they are but I suppose when you make this amount of millions of dollars, you don't care too much if one of the guys is not really at the level of the game Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: D-GenerationX on November 05, 2019, 10:49:51 AM don't want to paint the guys more cynical that they are but I suppose when you make this amount of millions of dollars, you don't care too much if one of the guys is not really at the level of the game It's hard not to see things that way, let's be honest. These dudes left a fortune on the table for over 20 years. It's only human nature to want to recoup as much as you can while the getting is good. And maybe you aren't rocking the boat. Now, let's not go too doom & gloom here either. He doesn't sound horrendous. But while thinking he might ever recapture his UYI chops is a total fantasy, I think it's more than fair to say he doesn't even sound like 2006 or 2010 these days. I also think fans are more willing to roll with the punches given that hes not up there with a bunch of replacement scabs either. So there is considerably more leeway. Here is my question though. I constantly hear that AC/DC songs are "easier" to sing, or whatever that spin is. Would seem to me that if he can crank up some rasp for Angus for 2 hours, why can't he for GNR fans? But let's even say he has to pick his spots. OK, fine. So where is the rasp on the end of 'You Could Be Mine'? That's one verse of one song. And one that sorely needs some of the classic Axl voice. In closing, I think on balance on the NITL tour is the best one they have ever done. Professional, and no drama. I loved it. But you can think that and still ask these questions. Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: Ginger King on November 05, 2019, 01:55:01 PM don't want to paint the guys more cynical that they are but I suppose when you make this amount of millions of dollars, you don't care too much if one of the guys is not really at the level of the game It's hard not to see things that way, let's be honest. These dudes left a fortune on the table for over 20 years. It's only human nature to want to recoup as much as you can while the getting is good. And maybe you aren't rocking the boat. Now, let's not go too doom & gloom here either. He doesn't sound horrendous. But while thinking he might ever recapture his UYI chops is a total fantasy, I think it's more than fair to say he doesn't even sound like 2006 or 2010 these days. I also think fans are more willing to roll with the punches given that hes not up there with a bunch of replacement scabs either. So there is considerably more leeway. Here is my question though. I constantly hear that AC/DC songs are "easier" to sing, or whatever that spin is. Would seem to me that if he can crank up some rasp for Angus for 2 hours, why can't he for GNR fans? But let's even say he has to pick his spots. OK, fine. So where is the rasp on the end of 'You Could Be Mine'? That's one verse of one song. And one that sorely needs some of the classic Axl voice. In closing, I think on balance on the NITL tour is the best one they have ever done. Professional, and no drama. I loved it. But you can think that and still ask these questions. At this point, I'll take a properly timed whistle for Paradise City... The voice question is interesting...I've seen Axl/DC and yeah, he had rasp for a majority of the show. I've also been to a few NITL shows...and it's definitely more pick and choose. Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on November 05, 2019, 09:18:18 PM I get how difficult it is on your vocal cords to sing with a forced rasp, but can’t Axl use more of his natural lower register than the clean vocals?
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: PermissionToLand on November 06, 2019, 04:42:32 AM Oof, some of those screams in Madagascar (took me this long to realize that's what you guys mean by "Maddy") sounded really damaging to his voice. Axl's live vocals are hit or miss these days. Just the way it is. And not even "good nights" versus "off nights". There some shows his voice varies song to song. Thing is, you don't notice it as much when you are there. It's much easier to spot and grade on recordings. But that's probably true of anyone. I think you misunderstood. I wasn't saying his voice sounded bad, at least not in the usual "mickey mouse" way, but rather that he was forcing rasp/distortion into his voice in a very unhealthy way and it sounded like he was about to blow out his larynx or something. Here, listen from 8:30 in this video: https://www.facebook.com/georgeovelyons/videos/2825649234112251/ He sounds like he's gargling mucus and God, I hope that's all it was, because if not, he had to be doing damage to the vocal cords. Simple. Variety of the voice range that the GN'R songs are comparable to the DC ones. AC/DC has plenty of variety in range. Songs like RNR Thunder and RNR Damnation have fairly low end vocals, while others can get just as high as Guns if not higher (like when he tried to hit studio notes with Hells Bells, the fucking madman!). And even if that were the case, he should be able to still use that AC/DC voice within that same range for Guns. don't want to paint the guys more cynical that they are but I suppose when you make this amount of millions of dollars, you don't care too much if one of the guys is not really at the level of the game Or they just realize he's getting older and vocals deteriorate and it's not like there's anything they could do to turn back time. The fans clearly want to see them all together, so what are you suggesting they do otherwise? Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: Wooody on November 06, 2019, 10:50:12 AM bah, Axl has had issues ever since he came back with the new band. Sometimes he is on sometime he is off. Its not gone though. So I dont worry about Axl in the studio.
Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: Ali on November 06, 2019, 11:47:00 AM Oof, some of those screams in Madagascar (took me this long to realize that's what you guys mean by "Maddy") sounded really damaging to his voice. Axl's live vocals are hit or miss these days. Just the way it is. And not even "good nights" versus "off nights". There some shows his voice varies song to song. Thing is, you don't notice it as much when you are there. It's much easier to spot and grade on recordings. But that's probably true of anyone. What's hard for GNR fans to reconcile are the AXL/DC shows. I saw GNR in July 2016. Took my Pop. We had a great time. Then 2 months later, I took my brother with me to see the last AXL/DC show. 3 songs into it, he turns to me and says "Axl sounds incredible. I should have gone with you in July." So how do you explain to him to you don't get *that* Axl with his own band? Ali Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: ITARocker on November 06, 2019, 12:43:51 PM He sounds like he's gargling mucus and God, I hope that's all it was, because if not, he had to be doing damage to the vocal cords. This happens when u go for the rasp but vocal cords don't vibrate as they should. But it doesn't really mean that he's forcing that much, maybe your cords are already fucked up somehow, or u are just tired & they just don't cooperate...I mean, he's not really screaming, it's all about "compression". I don't have his vocal range, but i have a powerful voice, i can do the rasp as well in my range and, you know, it seems that you are screaming and destroying your cords, but you are not, its just a technique (and i can even singin high and clean but that really stresses my cords, more than the rasp in my natural range, so it doesnt really mean anything). On the other hand when u are angry and u scream "for real" u lose your voice after 2 min... U can notice this even on ac/dc concert and the evolution of his rasp. I think he even use a little bit of autotune or ghost tracks cause when you're voice s crackin its almost impossible stay in tune. The cracks that you hear are unnatural, u can feel he's cracking but somehow he manages to keep singin in tune... so i think he's using something (nothin bad btw) Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: cineater on November 06, 2019, 11:16:35 PM New LED screen, that's why the videos looked so good.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/entertainment-columns/kats/guns-n-roses-delivers-a-tidal-wave-of-power-on-las-vegas-strip-1885002/ Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: DeN on November 07, 2019, 10:21:48 AM U can notice this even on ac/dc concert and the evolution of his rasp. I think he even use a little bit of autotune or ghost tracks cause when you're voice s crackin its almost impossible stay in tune. The cracks that you hear are unnatural, u can feel he's cracking but somehow he manages to keep singin in tune... so i think he's using something (nothin bad btw) I thought it was control & talent Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: ITARocker on November 07, 2019, 11:04:48 AM U can notice this even on ac/dc concert and the evolution of his rasp. I think he even use a little bit of autotune or ghost tracks cause when you're voice s crackin its almost impossible stay in tune. The cracks that you hear are unnatural, u can feel he's cracking but somehow he manages to keep singin in tune... so i think he's using something (nothin bad btw) I thought it was control & talent Ehm just no.. But I wasn't saying that in a bad way...it's pretty common nowadays... I even think he should use a very tiny "distorsion" effect when he's in the mickey mouse mode. Or some vocal effects for songs like ycbm or locomotive. It would sound good..Just my opinion btw Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: DeN on November 07, 2019, 02:32:55 PM if you have any video examples I'm interested to listen to them Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: PermissionToLand on November 08, 2019, 01:54:38 AM He sounds like he's gargling mucus and God, I hope that's all it was, because if not, he had to be doing damage to the vocal cords. This happens when u go for the rasp but vocal cords don't vibrate as they should. But it doesn't really mean that he's forcing that much, maybe your cords are already fucked up somehow, or u are just tired & they just don't cooperate...I mean, he's not really screaming, it's all about "compression". I don't have his vocal range, but i have a powerful voice, i can do the rasp as well in my range and, you know, it seems that you are screaming and destroying your cords, but you are not, its just a technique (and i can even singin high and clean but that really stresses my cords, more than the rasp in my natural range, so it doesnt really mean anything). On the other hand when u are angry and u scream "for real" u lose your voice after 2 min... Basically every single professional vocal coach says that rasp is not healthy. And the rest of your "explanation" makes it pretty clear you don't actually know how the voice works. Quote U can notice this even on ac/dc concert and the evolution of his rasp. I think he even use a little bit of autotune or ghost tracks cause when you're voice s crackin its almost impossible stay in tune. The cracks that you hear are unnatural, u can feel he's cracking but somehow he manages to keep singin in tune... so i think he's using something (nothin bad btw) Ehm, just no... Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: ITARocker on November 08, 2019, 09:26:41 AM He sounds like he's gargling mucus and God, I hope that's all it was, because if not, he had to be doing damage to the vocal cords. This happens when u go for the rasp but vocal cords don't vibrate as they should. But it doesn't really mean that he's forcing that much, maybe your cords are already fucked up somehow, or u are just tired & they just don't cooperate...I mean, he's not really screaming, it's all about "compression". I don't have his vocal range, but i have a powerful voice, i can do the rasp as well in my range and, you know, it seems that you are screaming and destroying your cords, but you are not, its just a technique (and i can even singin high and clean but that really stresses my cords, more than the rasp in my natural range, so it doesnt really mean anything). On the other hand when u are angry and u scream "for real" u lose your voice after 2 min... Basically every single professional vocal coach says that rasp is not healthy. And the rest of your "explanation" makes it pretty clear you don't actually know how the voice works. Quote U can notice this even on ac/dc concert and the evolution of his rasp. I think he even use a little bit of autotune or ghost tracks cause when you're voice s crackin its almost impossible stay in tune. The cracks that you hear are unnatural, u can feel he's cracking but somehow he manages to keep singin in tune... so i think he's using something (nothin bad btw) Ehm, just no... I haven't said it's healthy. But it's not that dangerous (in long terms its not the greatest thing but u can handle it) if u know how to do it ...Knowing that before u use distorsion (so called rasp) you have to learn how to sing clean, and not viceversa. There's plenty of singers who lost their range and power and they don't use rasp at all just because they don't know how to sing properly, they don't know what to do and what not to do. An Example: do you remember the thing Axl did in the 90's, i mean the short scream at the end of the songs, between verses etc (kinda like the Michael jackson thing but using the rasp)?? Even when he was back in full rasp in '06 an '10 he didn't do it anymore and do you know why? Cause that "little" thing damages your vocal cords A LOT cause u use a lot of air which makes your vocal cords dry. if you have any video examples I'm interested to listen to them Every single "do you know where the fuck you are?" scream. I already knew it but if u check the last rock in rio (disaster) when he screams in his baritonal register u can clearly hear the ghost track or the autotuned voice in a higher register. It's probably at the 5%-10% of axl's mic volume but here u can hear it clearly. 1:03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cTvr3zyfYg (does axl have 2 voice?don't think so) I could check some guns/ac dc video and show you other examples, but it would be deadly boring, but trust me...In guns n roses there are very few of this things mainly during the screaming parts (90% just delays and reverbs..."classic" effects, but sometimes autotune and/or ghost tracks). In ac dc you can notice a little bit of autotune or something like that when the rasp voice turns into the "pterodactyl" voice: my voice is cracking and/or it's out of control but somehow i stay in tune so u can clearly hear an unnatural sound, even for the magic vocal cords of mr axl rose ;D. It's like you're running zig zag but a superior force makes your run straight :hihi: Title: Re: [Updates] November 2nd, 2019 Las Vegas, NV Post by: jarmo on November 08, 2019, 09:32:45 AM I could check some guns/ac dc video and show you other examples, but it would be deadly boring, but trust me... Too late. Your posts have been boring for quite some time now. 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