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Title: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: chineseblues on March 18, 2020, 05:16:14 PM
Wanted to just check in and see how everyone is coping with this frightening new reality we find ourselves in.  Figured it would get more traction here then in the jungle.

Currently 3 cases in my province, several hundred in isolation. I work at my local hospital and we are already very low on ppe for staff and we haven't even had a case of it yet. Were looking at a very rough next few months to say the least.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 18, 2020, 05:41:46 PM
Just staying away from everybody.  Only a couple of cases around.  Everything is shutting down. 

Hard to know if it's an overreaction or we are out ahead of it and being proactive will keep us safe.  Hopely when it's over people are bitching it was an overreaction and not bitching we didn't do enough.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Spirit on March 18, 2020, 05:48:13 PM
Personally, I don't think it's an overreaction, considering the situation in Italy.

Not many registered cases in my vicinity, but as everywhere else I'm staying at home for the foreseeable future...


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: chineseblues on March 18, 2020, 05:49:53 PM
Just staying away from everybody.  Only a couple of cases around.  Everything is shutting down. 

Hard to know if it's an overreaction or we are out ahead of it and being proactive will keep us safe.  Hopely when it's over people are bitching it was an overreaction and not bitching we didn't do enough.


Better safe than sorry. We need to flatten the curve as much as possible to keep the stress off the hospitals. Only so many ventilators and ICU beds to go around! Stay safe!!


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 18, 2020, 11:27:41 PM
The media is definitely creating unnecessary panic and we may be overreacting and will get criticized for it like Dr. Fauci said. I'd rather we overreact then not do enough. I fear Trump didn't act quick enough and it could legit end up like Italy here. What we need to do is listen to the professionals. Listen to Dr. Fauci, don't panic but follow the guidelines, wash you hands a lot. Don't touch your face unless you've washed your hands. Clean hard surfaces. If you can work from home do so, if you have to go out avoid crowds of more then 10 people. Keep at least 6 feet between you and others. When you get home wash your hands. If you are elderly and have to do grocery shopping stores like Walmarat and Dollar General are dedicating the first hour to senior shopping. Take advantage! I know shopping at 7am in the morning may not be what you want to do but this is going to save lives! The majority of us if we get it will be just fine, this is about saving lives of the most vulnerable so hospitals aren't overloaded and have to make tough triage choices. We are all in this together and if we do this now we will get through it sooner rather then later. If not, we could legit be looking at a year to year and half and multiple waves of this. Please just listen to the doctors like Dr Fauci and we will get through this and get life back to normal. Lets not end up like China and Italy on strict lockdown.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 19, 2020, 01:54:45 AM
Acting "AS IF" - As if I have it (I do not) and everyone I come near has it (they do not)
This will help me be mindful of the taking the necessary precautions and doing what I feel is the goal of all of the madness we see - just limit the spread and let this thing die its eventual death.

Round 1 was won by Covid-19

Round 2 (likely next winter) - hopefully we have gained the insight and knowledge to jump on it and win the fight early

And as a side note I do believe people are now wasting less time on hate, racism and being generally dirty mongrels who don't wash their hands after they go to the bathroom. The world is a changed place now - what a wake up call, huh?

 : ok:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 19, 2020, 06:12:40 AM
Acting "AS IF" - As if I have it (I do not) and everyone I come near has it (they do not)
This will help me be mindful of the taking the necessary precautions and doing what I feel is the goal of all of the madness we see - just limit the spread and let this thing die its eventual death.

Round 1 was won by Covid-19

Round 2 (likely next winter) - hopefully we have gained the insight and knowledge to jump on it and win the fight early

And as a side note I do believe people are now wasting less time on hate, racism and being generally dirty mongrels who don't wash their hands after they go to the bathroom. The world is a changed place now - what a wake up call, huh?

 : ok:
Yep the bad news is it will be back in the next 12 to 18 months once this first wave is over, the good news is we'll be better prepared. Trust what Dr. Fauci says.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 19, 2020, 01:44:49 PM
Ive taken a hit financially as I'm a small business and about half of my clients I can no longer service as they've closed temporarily due to COVID-19. I think that is the biggest thing for me.  We have 1-2 confirmed cases in my county. But that will go up as we test more.

One takeaway from this is that the  Chinese government  is definitely not our friend and after this is all over we need to make some major changes to the supply chain in this country.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 19, 2020, 01:53:30 PM
This is the kind of shit that pisses me off. Thankfully they have closed the beaches now, but the mentality of a lot of these early 20 something is just moronic. What the heck are they learning in college?

 https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-florida-beaches-ignore-social-distancing/?__twitter_impression=true# (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-florida-beaches-ignore-social-distancing/?__twitter_impression=true#)

Thousands flock to Florida beaches, ignoring coronavirus concerns

Thousands of people in Florida are seemingly ignoring social distancing guidelines during the coronavirus outbreak. Despite warnings from public health experts, photos and videos show beaches across the state packed with spring breakers.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on March 19, 2020, 02:13:28 PM
This is the kind of shit that pisses me off. Thankfully they have closed the beaches now, but the mentality of a lot of these early 20 something is just moronic. What the heck are they learning in college?


This seems to be the case all over the world. Unfortunately.

"I'm young, it's like the flu!".

It's not always about you..... What about those around you?

Jeez.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: chineseblues on March 19, 2020, 03:10:46 PM
This is the kind of shit that pisses me off. Thankfully they have closed the beaches now, but the mentality of a lot of these early 20 something is just moronic. What the heck are they learning in college?


This seems to be the case all over the world. Unfortunately.

"I'm young, it's like the flu!".

It's not always about you..... What about those around you?

Jeez.



/jarmo


Absolutely! Think about your grandparents, older parents, doctors and nurses! We're all in this mess together. No one is truly safe.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 19, 2020, 07:47:52 PM
If you were to tell me a year ago that in 2020 we'd all be affected greatly by a new pandemic and Tom Brady was going to play for Tampa I would have asked WTF R U  smoking?  Weird year so far.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 19, 2020, 08:37:28 PM
If you were to tell me a year ago that in 2020 we'd all be affected greatly by a new pandemic and Tom Brady was going to play for Tampa I would have asked WTF R U  smoking?  Weird year so far.

Amen to that


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 19, 2020, 10:34:13 PM
This is the kind of shit that pisses me off. Thankfully they have closed the beaches now, but the mentality of a lot of these early 20 something is just moronic. What the heck are they learning in college?

 https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-florida-beaches-ignore-social-distancing/?__twitter_impression=true# (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-florida-beaches-ignore-social-distancing/?__twitter_impression=true#)

Thousands flock to Florida beaches, ignoring coronavirus concerns

Thousands of people in Florida are seemingly ignoring social distancing guidelines during the coronavirus outbreak. Despite warnings from public health experts, photos and videos show beaches across the state packed with spring breakers.

The federal government needs to get more involved. State and local governments are not doing enough. We really need to just shut down for a month or so. Let this shit die out. Then either keep the borders closed for a few more or quarantine everyone coming in.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 19, 2020, 10:36:02 PM
This is the kind of shit that pisses me off. Thankfully they have closed the beaches now, but the mentality of a lot of these early 20 something is just moronic. What the heck are they learning in college?


This seems to be the case all over the world. Unfortunately.

"I'm young, it's like the flu!".

It's not always about you..... What about those around you?

Jeez.



/jarmo

Exactly! They'll more than likely to be fine, it's about stopping it from getting to those most vulnerable.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: ITARocker on March 20, 2020, 06:18:46 AM
In Italy we have thousandsof COVID-19 of cases. But the main problem is not the virus itself, which is mainly a flue (whatever they say) but the fact that it spreads so fast...too fast. So u have peaks of tough cases and hospitals can't hold as well as the obituares  :'(. I'm typing from Bergamo so I  know very well the problem. We just have to stay home to relieve the hospitals of the work


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 20, 2020, 07:34:25 AM
In Italy we have thousandsof COVID-19 of cases. But the main problem is not the virus itself, which is mainly a flue (whatever they say) but the fact that it spreads so fast...too fast. So u have peaks of tough cases and hospitals can't hold as well as the obituares  :'(. I'm typing from Bergamo so I  know very well the problem. We just have to stay home to relieve the hospitals of the work

Yep that is it exactly it spreads so easily and you can spread it before you are symptomatic and of course the strain it puts on hospitals. The vast majority recover just fine but , if we don't distance ourselves we give it to those who are most vulnerable to becoming sick enough to require hospitalization.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: ITARocker on March 20, 2020, 08:36:16 AM
In Italy we have thousandsof COVID-19 of cases. But the main problem is not the virus itself, which is mainly a flue (whatever they say) but the fact that it spreads so fast...too fast. So u have peaks of tough cases and hospitals can't hold as well as the obituares  :'(. I'm typing from Bergamo so I  know very well the problem. We just have to stay home to relieve the hospitals of the work

Yep that is it exactly it spreads so easily and you can spread it before you are symptomatic and of course the strain it puts on hospitals. The vast majority recover just fine but , if we don't distance ourselves we give it to those who are most vulnerable to becoming sick enough to require hospitalization.

Plus you can be totally asymptomatic or have very few and small symptoms. For example...I'm sure i've done it already... I never get a flue, never... I was 16 when i did last flue ....Now I'm 36... I've just had almost 2 week of not "feeling well" but  no cough no temperature...nothing. My town is full of people that have little cough, not very high temperature or just like me, they just don't feel well in general and that's it.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on March 20, 2020, 11:10:48 AM
This is the kind of shit that pisses me off. Thankfully they have closed the beaches now, but the mentality of a lot of these early 20 something is just moronic. What the heck are they learning in college?


This seems to be the case all over the world. Unfortunately.

"I'm young, it's like the flu!".

It's not always about you..... What about those around you?

Jeez.



/jarmo


Absolutely! Think about your grandparents, older parents, doctors and nurses! We're all in this mess together. No one is truly safe.

I agree that those individuals are being irresponsible, but articles shitting all over millennials seems to be clickbait crack these days.  There were some bonehead college kids partying on spring break in Florida and the media has demonized that to a ridiculous degree.  I work in a financial institution and I'm more startled at the number of elderly people coming in that seem to be giving no shits whatsoever about the risk.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 20, 2020, 12:13:15 PM
The time for sensitivities at offending are over.
We are in a serious situation and younger generations need to smarten the hell up.
Don't care if they are offended - stay out of crowds and treat this seriously like the rest of the world.
If ever there were a time to wear the big person pants - you're looking at it.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on March 20, 2020, 12:19:54 PM
Oh yeah. This isn't an age thing at all.

There are young people who don't seem to care, as well as older people.

Seen plenty of stories of people who had to basically force their elder parents to stay home instead of going to their usual gatherings.





/jarmo



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 20, 2020, 12:29:21 PM
Oh yeah. This isn't an age thing at all.

There are young people who don't seem to care, as well as older people.

Seen plenty of stories of people who had to basically force their elder parents to stay home instead of going to their usual gatherings.





/jarmo



Our elderly are stubborn, no doubt.

Difficult to convince someone with 70 or 80 plus years of experience that "anyone" is more knowledgeable than they are - I know this

But we are very fortunate to have people like Fauci and Birx who have been telling us from day one - that containment is the key weapon to strike this down.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 20, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
Being grounded to the home front isn't a bad thing.

It's been too long since we took the time
No-one's to blame, I know time flies so quickly



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: chineseblues on March 20, 2020, 03:50:35 PM
We are now at 4 confirmed cases, which we are e expecting to skyrocket in the next week. Our hospitals were already running at near capacity BEFORE this happened, I'm now sure how we are going to cope with it. Everyone is scared  :(


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 20, 2020, 05:28:18 PM
We are now at 4 confirmed cases, which we are e expecting to skyrocket in the next week. Our hospitals were already running at near capacity BEFORE this happened, I'm now sure how we are going to cope with it. Everyone is scared  :(

Not to add to your fears but I had to wonder if the virus mutated since it left China?  Here's what I found.

Since the start of the pandemic, the virus hasn’t changed in any obviously important ways. It’s mutating in the way that all viruses do. But of the 100-plus mutations that have been documented, none has risen to dominance, which suggests that none is especially important. “The virus has been remarkably stable given how much transmission we’ve seen,” says Lisa Gralinski of the University of North Carolina. “That makes sense, because there’s no evolutionary pressure on the virus to transmit better. It’s doing a great job of spreading around the world right now.”


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: chineseblues on March 20, 2020, 05:45:10 PM
We are now at 4 confirmed cases, which we are e expecting to skyrocket in the next week. Our hospitals were already running at near capacity BEFORE this happened, I'm now sure how we are going to cope with it. Everyone is scared  :(

Not to add to your fears but I had to wonder if the virus mutated since it left China?  Here's what I found.

Since the start of the pandemic, the virus hasn’t changed in any obviously important ways. It’s mutating in the way that all viruses do. But of the 100-plus mutations that have been documented, none has risen to dominance, which suggests that none is especially important. “The virus has been remarkably stable given how much transmission we’ve seen,” says Lisa Gralinski of the University of North Carolina. “That makes sense, because there’s no evolutionary pressure on the virus to transmit better. It’s doing a great job of spreading around the world right now.”


I wouldnt be half as scared if I didnt work in a hospital.  Hopefully some of the drug trial pan out and we can use something to help combat this thing. I personally think the entire world should be holding China responsible for this and making them pay one way or another. Its unacceptable that they tried to cover it up.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 20, 2020, 09:32:46 PM
Another day and the situation further deteriorates in Italy with hundreds more deaths. New York, California, Illinois and Connecticut all locked down. Only the most essential things open. It's time to do it Nationwide if we want to get this under control.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 20, 2020, 10:30:12 PM
We are now at 4 confirmed cases, which we are e expecting to skyrocket in the next week. Our hospitals were already running at near capacity BEFORE this happened, I'm now sure how we are going to cope with it. Everyone is scared  :(

Not to add to your fears but I had to wonder if the virus mutated since it left China?  Here's what I found.

Since the start of the pandemic, the virus hasn’t changed in any obviously important ways. It’s mutating in the way that all viruses do. But of the 100-plus mutations that have been documented, none has risen to dominance, which suggests that none is especially important. “The virus has been remarkably stable given how much transmission we’ve seen,” says Lisa Gralinski of the University of North Carolina. “That makes sense, because there’s no evolutionary pressure on the virus to transmit better. It’s doing a great job of spreading around the world right now.”


I wouldnt be half as scared if I didnt work in a hospital.  Hopefully some of the drug trial pan out and we can use something to help combat this thing. I personally think the entire world should be holding China responsible for this and making them pay one way or another. Its unacceptable that they tried to cover it up.

Looking back it's easy to point fingers but who would have ever thought. 

A little bit of paranoia will keep you alive.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: chineseblues on March 20, 2020, 11:12:14 PM
We are now at 4 confirmed cases, which we are e expecting to skyrocket in the next week. Our hospitals were already running at near capacity BEFORE this happened, I'm now sure how we are going to cope with it. Everyone is scared  :(

Not to add to your fears but I had to wonder if the virus mutated since it left China?  Here's what I found.

Since the start of the pandemic, the virus hasn’t changed in any obviously important ways. It’s mutating in the way that all viruses do. But of the 100-plus mutations that have been documented, none has risen to dominance, which suggests that none is especially important. “The virus has been remarkably stable given how much transmission we’ve seen,” says Lisa Gralinski of the University of North Carolina. “That makes sense, because there’s no evolutionary pressure on the virus to transmit better. It’s doing a great job of spreading around the world right now.”


I wouldnt be half as scared if I didnt work in a hospital.  Hopefully some of the drug trial pan out and we can use something to help combat this thing. I personally think the entire world should be holding China responsible for this and making them pay one way or another. Its unacceptable that they tried to cover it up.

Looking back it's easy to point fingers but who would have ever thought. 

A little bit of paranoia will keep you alive.


I just wanna go back to bitching about the weather and talking about who's banging who at work again. Simpler times.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 21, 2020, 09:54:43 AM
We are now at 4 confirmed cases, which we are e expecting to skyrocket in the next week. Our hospitals were already running at near capacity BEFORE this happened, I'm now sure how we are going to cope with it. Everyone is scared  :(

Not to add to your fears but I had to wonder if the virus mutated since it left China?  Here's what I found.

Since the start of the pandemic, the virus hasn’t changed in any obviously important ways. It’s mutating in the way that all viruses do. But of the 100-plus mutations that have been documented, none has risen to dominance, which suggests that none is especially important. “The virus has been remarkably stable given how much transmission we’ve seen,” says Lisa Gralinski of the University of North Carolina. “That makes sense, because there’s no evolutionary pressure on the virus to transmit better. It’s doing a great job of spreading around the world right now.”


I wouldnt be half as scared if I didnt work in a hospital.  Hopefully some of the drug trial pan out and we can use something to help combat this thing. I personally think the entire world should be holding China responsible for this and making them pay one way or another. Its unacceptable that they tried to cover it up.

Looking back it's easy to point fingers but who would have ever thought. 

A little bit of paranoia will keep you alive.


I just wanna go back to bitching about the weather and talking about who's banging who at work again. Simpler times.

Don't know you or where you work but please share... ;D
We could all use those simpler times



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 21, 2020, 01:44:13 PM
Yeah, who is banging who?  :hihi:  Might get a baby boom out of this with everybody staying home.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 21, 2020, 01:47:38 PM
Yeah, who is banging who?  :hihi:  Might get a baby boom out of this with everybody staying home.

Yes - saw a joke refer to the next generation as the "Coronials"


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 21, 2020, 07:19:14 PM
Yeah, who is banging who?  :hihi:  Might get a baby boom out of this with everybody staying home.

Yes - saw a joke refer to the next generation as the "Coronials"

It's spring, we all have sex on the brain.  :hihi: Be careful out there.

My daughter is a nurse too, in a hospital.  She works with patients from nursing homes.  If they run out of face masks, she has a full face motorcycle helmet.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 21, 2020, 09:01:00 PM
Yeah, who is banging who?  :hihi:  Might get a baby boom out of this with everybody staying home.

Yes - saw a joke refer to the next generation as the "Coronials"

It's spring, we all have sex on the brain.  :hihi: Be careful out there.

My daughter is a nurse too, in a hospital.  She works with patients from nursing homes.  If they run out of face masks, she has a full face motorcycle helmet.  :hihi:

On that note - this shortage of face masks thing is completely baffling to me.
I'm watching the Trump/Pence news conference and they're constantly talking about millions of these things being ordered and how FEMA already has a stockpile and we have ventilators ready to go and all of this now goes through FEMA etc
Then you hear actual doctors from hospitals on TV saying they need more masks and equipment.
Then you hear how large companies are making products and billionaires like Bloomberg has donated 50 million - how can all of this not get a case of masks a day into every hospital in NY, Cali , Wash etc..

I'm dumbfounded  - seriously

I"m watching this press conference and a reporter literally names 4 doctors that are in need.
Trump does his usual "we've got them ordered and they're coming'
Fauci says the need is real and will be met

Why wouldn't someone up there just say - give me the damn names of these doctors - we will call them and have them shipped in two hours?

Maybe its FEMA - maybe it's just a giant cluster fuck now between HHS, Fema and everyone else involved - but Amazon has offered to help in any way they can and seem to be able to ship a vodoo doll from Argentina to your door in 2 days - put their asses on it and get this done

 ???


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 21, 2020, 10:01:17 PM
It's a big place with a lot of hospitals is all I can think of.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 22, 2020, 06:04:15 AM
Yeah, who is banging who?  :hihi:  Might get a baby boom out of this with everybody staying home.

Yes - saw a joke refer to the next generation as the "Coronials"

It's spring, we all have sex on the brain.  :hihi: Be careful out there.

My daughter is a nurse too, in a hospital.  She works with patients from nursing homes.  If they run out of face masks, she has a full face motorcycle helmet.  :hihi:

On that note - this shortage of face masks thing is completely baffling to me.
I'm watching the Trump/Pence news conference and they're constantly talking about millions of these things being ordered and how FEMA already has a stockpile and we have ventilators ready to go and all of this now goes through FEMA etc
Then you hear actual doctors from hospitals on TV saying they need more masks and equipment.
Then you hear how large companies are making products and billionaires like Bloomberg has donated 50 million - how can all of this not get a case of masks a day into every hospital in NY, Cali , Wash etc..

I'm dumbfounded  - seriously

I"m watching this press conference and a reporter literally names 4 doctors that are in need.
Trump does his usual "we've got them ordered and they're coming'
Fauci says the need is real and will be met

Why wouldn't someone up there just say - give me the damn names of these doctors - we will call them and have them shipped in two hours?

Maybe its FEMA - maybe it's just a giant cluster fuck now between HHS, Fema and everyone else involved - but Amazon has offered to help in any way they can and seem to be able to ship a vodoo doll from Argentina to your door in 2 days - put their asses on it and get this done

 ???

It is maddening. We know there's a shortage but we also know there's a stockpile. It isn't enough but allow it to be used while all these companies like GM are shifting from making cars etc to masks and ventilators. There is no reason this stockpile should still not be being deployed. Trump just needs to stop talking at these briefings, everyday he says something Dr. Fauci has to try and not look humiliated and have to walk back immediately. Let Pence and Dr. Fauci and the other experts at the presser do the talking.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 22, 2020, 08:54:17 AM
I think it's important for the president to open these press conferences. I wish he would say a few things and then step aside and watch how a true organization is supposed to perform though...but we know he is incapable.

We have a global pandemic and he's sending potshots back and forth with reporters - it's just ludicrous.

But back to the ventilators and protective equipment - someone (Pence should) should just take the info about the doctors who are crying for help and say "I'll handle it from here" - for this to keep coming up and exposing the cluster fuck and disorganization is very damaging to the country.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 22, 2020, 01:07:34 PM
I think it's important for the president to open these press conferences. I wish he would say a few things and then step aside and watch how a true organization is supposed to perform though...but we know he is incapable.

We have a global pandemic and he's sending potshots back and forth with reporters - it's just ludicrous.

But back to the ventilators and protective equipment - someone (Pence should) should just take the info about the doctors who are crying for help and say "I'll handle it from here" - for this to keep coming up and exposing the cluster fuck and disorganization is very damaging to the country.

Totally agree that Trump should defer to Pence on managing the briefings. Yeah there will be questions from the media that are of a gotcha nature, but there is a way to answer them without it devolving into personal attacks. We really dont need that right now.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 22, 2020, 06:58:36 PM
Looks like the needed medical equipment is finally on its way. 8 states now also ordered to stay home as much as possible.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 22, 2020, 07:32:52 PM
I think it's important for the president to open these press conferences. I wish he would say a few things and then step aside and watch how a true organization is supposed to perform though...but we know he is incapable.

We have a global pandemic and he's sending potshots back and forth with reporters - it's just ludicrous.

But back to the ventilators and protective equipment - someone (Pence should) should just take the info about the doctors who are crying for help and say "I'll handle it from here" - for this to keep coming up and exposing the cluster fuck and disorganization is very damaging to the country.

Not when right off the bat he's disseminating lies and misinformation leading to millions not taking this seriously, and that cause Dr Fauci to facepalm. When he got elected many saw him for what he is said he'd get people killed and here we are. Certainly I recognize even if he had acted immediately people would still die, but he has made it exponentially worse with slow action, lies and misinformation.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 22, 2020, 07:34:28 PM
I think it's important for the president to open these press conferences. I wish he would say a few things and then step aside and watch how a true organization is supposed to perform though...but we know he is incapable.

We have a global pandemic and he's sending potshots back and forth with reporters - it's just ludicrous.

But back to the ventilators and protective equipment - someone (Pence should) should just take the info about the doctors who are crying for help and say "I'll handle it from here" - for this to keep coming up and exposing the cluster fuck and disorganization is very damaging to the country.

Totally agree that Trump should defer to Pence on managing the briefings. Yeah there will be questions from the media that are of a gotcha nature, but there is a way to answer them without it devolving into personal attacks. We really dont need that right now.

The question in question wasn't though, here was simply asked to offer solace to Americans stuck at home who are scared right now and he couldn't even do that.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 22, 2020, 07:37:04 PM
Back to more more Covid. The Senate failed to pass the stimulus package.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 22, 2020, 07:41:09 PM
Trump's reaction to Romney in isolation though and why is he going on and on about all the money he lost? 🙄 And why hasn't he enacted the defense protection act yet.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 23, 2020, 12:32:58 AM
Please let somebody besides Trump give the press conferences. 

Personally, I think the stockpiling is because it hasn't even begun to hit the whole country.  There's somebody, somewhere, doing the math.  There's a certain amount of infection for regions based on populations that is going to be acceptable and extra supplies won't be shifted there until a certain point is hit.  The numbers change daily with where it's popping up and the estimated production of supplies.  It's a complicated math problem with variables.  And an acceptable death rate.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 23, 2020, 01:59:01 AM
If all states would just order shelter in place orders except for mission critical outings, food, doctor appointments and those unable to work from home we have a chance to get ahead and keep more states from ending up like New York, California and Washington. I know a nurse in New Orleans and it is deteriorating there fast, even people in their 40s covid-19 is causing ARDS. Just stay home it will save lives possibly your own. If you must go out heed the precautions the experts are telling us to. This is not rocket science.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 23, 2020, 07:50:10 AM
I dont think its a matter of if but when with shelter in place but when that happens they need to have the rescue package  passed in congress & signed into law so people can afford to buy food and have some loan payments deferred. Some still need to bring in income and for those who can keep social distancing and are healthy can still so that in certain areas of the country. ( construction, repairs, etc where they arent coming in close contact with people or are working solo)

 We almost had it last night but it was blocked by democrats. Think the stock market was bad last week? Watch what happens today.  Inaction in the govt on that  will spook it pretty badly.

 


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 23, 2020, 08:16:18 AM
They need to get it together real soon, otherwise its going to get really ugly. Like I said before, watch the stock market today, this inability to get something thru Congress will tank it.

Coronavirus stimulus bill fails to move forward; McConnell cites 'obstruction'
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters that "from my standpoint, we are apart." Talks are continuing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/top-democrats-say-they-re-not-yet-ready-sign-coronavirus-n1166021?fbclid=IwAR1p6lhyNMP3YcEnzaR78FJ_BRFjmfpAxAp_xMGeURe5ixNQsjXS5NTLTuo (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/top-democrats-say-they-re-not-yet-ready-sign-coronavirus-n1166021?fbclid=IwAR1p6lhyNMP3YcEnzaR78FJ_BRFjmfpAxAp_xMGeURe5ixNQsjXS5NTLTuo)
 


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 23, 2020, 12:45:14 PM
They have valid concerns as to why they blocked the procedural vote. We don't need a unfettered bail out for huge corporations while small businesses and employees get a pittance. Hopefully Schumer McConnell and Mnuchin strike a deal today. Schumer sounded optimistic and the vote will be fast tracked so the house can vote on it.

Now Trump seems to want to r possibly remove restrictions after 15 days with social distancing and shelter in place. He is going to get millions killed!


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 23, 2020, 01:55:05 PM

They're all idiots.
We need something - playtime is over.

Adding nonsense about solar energy and emissions ?
Take up your causes on your own time
You work for us - and US need help , not politics and whining.

Schumer, Pelosi, McConnell - They all need to be voted out.
And for all of the far right and far left who won't give an inch and claim the middle is worse than the other side....look in the mirror - this is where that kind of thinking has gotten us.

We need a middle ground now more than ever.

History will not be kind to any of these self-serving buffoons.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 23, 2020, 09:29:51 PM
They have valid concerns as to why they blocked the procedural vote. We don't need a unfettered bail out for huge corporations while small businesses and employees get a pittance. Hopefully Schumer McConnell and Mnuchin strike a deal today. Schumer sounded optimistic and the vote will be fast tracked so the house can vote on it.

Now Trump seems to want to r possibly remove restrictions after 15 days with social distancing and shelter in place. He is going to get millions killed!

I understand the concerns about wanting the money to go to the people who need it and not the corporations who could use it to pay bonuses. But also remember corporations employ workers. So Im all for adding provisions that dictate how these corporations use the money.  I thought that stipulations were in the bill that stalled in the senate regarding provisions not allowing stock buybacks and other things.

But now Pelosi has written another bill on the house side- https://www.npr.org/2020/03/23/820155258/read-house-democrats-release-3rd-coronavirus-response-bill (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/23/820155258/read-house-democrats-release-3rd-coronavirus-response-bill)

But she is adding her own shit to it that's unrelated to COVID-19 such as bailing out the postal service, same day voter registration & carbon emission levels for airlines.

Like COMAMOTIVE  said, they are all idiots.

As far as removing restrictions, lets see what the data shows at the end of the month. What I am against is adding restrictions in a one size fits all mindset. New York City is much different than say rural Idaho or even Central Florida.  

While this needs to be taken seriously, this isn't the bubonic plague. 



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 23, 2020, 11:29:47 PM
They have valid concerns as to why they blocked the procedural vote. We don't need a unfettered bail out for huge corporations while small businesses and employees get a pittance. Hopefully Schumer McConnell and Mnuchin strike a deal today. Schumer sounded optimistic and the vote will be fast tracked so the house can vote on it.

Now Trump seems to want to r possibly remove restrictions after 15 days with social distancing and shelter in place. He is going to get millions killed!

I understand the concerns about wanting the money to go to the people who need it and not the corporations who could use it to pay bonuses. But also remember corporations employ workers. So Im all for adding provisions that dictate how these corporations use the money.  I thought that stipulations were in the bill that stalled in the senate regarding provisions not allowing stock buybacks and other things.

But now Pelosi has written another bill on the house side- https://www.npr.org/2020/03/23/820155258/read-house-democrats-release-3rd-coronavirus-response-bill (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/23/820155258/read-house-democrats-release-3rd-coronavirus-response-bill)

But she is adding her own shit to it that's unrelated to COVID-19 such as bailing out the postal service, same day voter registration & carbon emission levels for airlines.

Like COMAMOTIVE  said, they are all idiots.

As far as removing restrictions, lets see what the data shows at the end of the month. What I am against is adding restrictions in a one size fits all mindset. New York City is much different than say rural Idaho or even Central Florida.  

While this needs to be taken seriously, this isn't the bubonic plague.  


Corporations will need help, nobody denies that but help the employees and small businesses first then worry about the rest. At the the end of the week were gonna be worse and worse the week after. This is the time we need California style shelter in place for a month or more. If we don't we will reach the point of no return in a week or two. Do we want millions infected and tens of thousands dead? That's what will happen if most states don't follow California and New York.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 24, 2020, 01:11:17 AM
To all those of you who are blaming Democrats for blocking the stimulus package (and saying they are doing it so “Trump won’t win”) here is the REAL reason! “Nancy Pelosi is calling the Senate bill the
"McCONNELL CORPORATE SLUSH FUND"
and here is what she says is wrong with it:

• McConnell’s bill includes a $500,000,000,000.00 corporate slush fund for CEOs and the ultra rich — while leaving workers, families and children out to dry.
• McConnell’s bill has weak stock buyback language that can be waived by the Treasury Secretary; executive compensation limits only last for two years; language on worker retention is weak and includes easy outs for companies; there are no assurances in the language that workers will benefit.
• The bill provides little transparency of the lending done by Treasury (amount and to whom?).
• There are no specific provisions to protect from individuals from eviction, foreclosure or forbearance.
Other Major Problems:
• No money for state and local governments.
• No additional SNAP funds.
• No OSHA language to protect workers.
• No expanded emergency leave provisions.
• Only 3 months on Unemployment Insurance – this is an insufficient length given the scope of the crisis.
• Direct Payments are not available to the millions of people who did not file a return in 2018 or 2019.
• No money to help with the treatment of the uninsured.
• The bill does not provide adequate relief for the 44 million federal student loan borrowers.”



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 24, 2020, 01:25:55 AM
We went on lock down.  Was talking to my daughter.  The hospital staff pretty much figure there's no way they won't get it.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 24, 2020, 01:43:23 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/23/house-democrats-stimulus-senate-coronavirus-145388


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 24, 2020, 01:43:40 AM
We went on lock down.  Was talking to my daughter.  The hospital staff pretty much figure there's no way they won't get it.

Sorry to hear that.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 24, 2020, 07:55:26 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/23/house-democrats-stimulus-senate-coronavirus-145388

There's a lot they didn't mention that is in there that's totally unrelated to COVID19. At this point it looks like they will be voting on the senate bill today so it may be a mute point.

But here is a thought for both bills I wish Congress would consider, pass a stimulus Bill with just funds to help people out of work and businesses that need the emergency funds without all the garbage.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 24, 2020, 08:07:32 AM
Hopefully a vote happens today, they were very close last night to an agreement both sides can agree on. Hopefully it i satisfactory for both sides in the house as well and they'll vote and pass it as is.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 24, 2020, 08:14:52 AM
Now Trump is wanting to relax restrictions in a few weeks instead of months when all the experts say this will have dire consequences. Look at Italy, Spain, China and the UK. If states follow what he says we are gonna see a great many infected and die due to overloading the healthcare system. Italy finally in just the last two days after a month of strict lockdown is seeing a second straight day decrease in new cases and deaths. It is still horrible the number but a decrease is hope for cautious optimism.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on March 24, 2020, 11:55:47 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/23/house-democrats-stimulus-senate-coronavirus-145388

There's a lot they didn't mention that is in there that's totally unrelated to COVID19. At this point it looks like they will be voting on the senate bill today so it may be a mute point.

But here is a thought for both bills I wish Congress would consider, pass a stimulus Bill with just funds to help people out of work and businesses that need the emergency funds without all the garbage.

Totally agree on that point.  I don't know why they insist on stuffing every bill with extraneous bullshit.  Small businesses that can't be open and the resulting unemployment should be the main focus at this point.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 24, 2020, 12:23:04 PM
Now Trump is wanting to relax restrictions in a few weeks instead of months when all the experts say this will have dire consequences. Look at Italy, Spain, China and the UK. If states follow what he says we are gonna see a great many infected and die due to overloading the healthcare system. Italy finally in just the last two days after a month of strict lockdown is seeing a second straight day decrease in new cases and deaths. It is still horrible the number but a decrease is hope for cautious optimism.

You watch - if this anti-malaria drug shows promise (we'll know in a matter of days), Trump will absolutely relax restrictions.
He's just setting the table now.

If only the American people could vote on things like this because the ramifications if he is wrong will be non-reverseable and I believe most people would be on same page with this - in that whenever he says "open it up" - add 3 months to be safe


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 24, 2020, 01:44:43 PM
Geez, it's a full on panic around here.  Long story but we raided the greenhouse last night before they could lock us out.  I'm going to be sick of salads before this is over.  If it kills me, I have the flowers to bury me under.

I don't know what they are doing on capitol hill.  Still playing politics and not practicing social distancing.  Their time is running out.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: chineseblues on March 24, 2020, 04:57:10 PM
It's just a matter of time before I get it now.  Were at 35 confirmed cases but several of those people are out going around in public. One attended a funeral where dozens of my co-workers were. Several of them have gotten sick.  So much needless death.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 24, 2020, 06:58:38 PM
Remember that COVID-19 isn't a death sentence. The only thing we really know for sure in the numbers are the deaths. With inadequate testing we dont know how many have it. So the bright side is that as we test more the mortality rate becomes clearer and also lower. Trying to find the silver lining.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 24, 2020, 07:12:58 PM
Remember that COVID-19 isn't a death sentence. The only thing we really know for sure in the numbers are the deaths. With inadequate testing we dont know how many have it. So the bright side is that as we test more the mortality rate becomes clearer and also lower. Trying to find the silver lining.

Absolutely

And was listening to Trump's reasoning for trying to get people ready for an Easter return to normal and he is using the flu and the enormous number of deaths associated with it each year and how it'd be unheard of to shut down an entire country over that - which is understandable logic to some extent - but we are in the infant stages of this spread and still don't really know for sure its full impact and potency - so while there are still so many people suffering in NYC and Cali, Wash - I just thing he needs to cool his jets for awhile longer on this idea.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 24, 2020, 07:15:10 PM
It's just a matter of time before I get it now.  Were at 35 confirmed cases but several of those people are out going around in public. One attended a funeral where dozens of my co-workers were. Several of them have gotten sick.  So much needless death.

My daughter feels the same.  No way is she not going to get it.  I hold on to it's not a killer for everyone.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 24, 2020, 07:34:10 PM
Remember that COVID-19 isn't a death sentence. The only thing we really know for sure in the numbers are the deaths. With inadequate testing we dont know how many have it. So the bright side is that as we test more the mortality rate becomes clearer and also lower. Trying to find the silver lining.

Absolutely

And was listening to Trump's reasoning for trying to get people ready for an Easter return to normal and he is using the flu and the enormous number of deaths associated with it each year and how it'd be unheard of to shut down an entire country over that - which is understandable logic to some extent - but we are in the infant stages of this spread and still don't really know for sure its full impact and potency - so while there are still so many people suffering in NYC and Cali, Wash - I just thing he needs to cool his jets for awhile longer on this idea.

I think we will have a better feel for where this is going end of the month. I'm not seeing things getting back to normal by Easter, but maybe by then we can have more precise measures that will allow some to go back to work safely.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 24, 2020, 08:46:35 PM
Remember that COVID-19 isn't a death sentence. The only thing we really know for sure in the numbers are the deaths. With inadequate testing we dont know how many have it. So the bright side is that as we test more the mortality rate becomes clearer and also lower. Trying to find the silver lining.

Absolutely

And was listening to Trump's reasoning for trying to get people ready for an Easter return to normal and he is using the flu and the enormous number of deaths associated with it each year and how it'd be unheard of to shut down an entire country over that - which is understandable logic to some extent - but we are in the infant stages of this spread and still don't really know for sure its full impact and potency - so while there are still so many people suffering in NYC and Cali, Wash - I just thing he needs to cool his jets for awhile longer on this idea.

I think we will have a better feel for where this is going end of the month. I'm not seeing things getting back to normal by Easter, but maybe by then we can have more precise measures that will allow some to go back to work safely.

That is true enough - fingers crossed


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 24, 2020, 11:05:02 PM
My daughter has her first patients.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 25, 2020, 12:58:59 AM
Now Trump is wanting to relax restrictions in a few weeks instead of months when all the experts say this will have dire consequences. Look at Italy, Spain, China and the UK. If states follow what he says we are gonna see a great many infected and die due to overloading the healthcare system. Italy finally in just the last two days after a month of strict lockdown is seeing a second straight day decrease in new cases and deaths. It is still horrible the number but a decrease is hope for cautious optimism.

You watch - if this anti-malaria drug shows promise (we'll know in a matter of days), Trump will absolutely relax restrictions.
He's just setting the table now.

If only the American people could vote on things like this because the ramifications if he is wrong will be non-reverseable and I believe most people would be on same page with this - in that whenever he says "open it up" - add 3 months to be safe

Even if it does show signs of helping it's gonna take months not weeks to know. The early testing done with this drug is q when grotto was not exactly promising. If he gets this wrong were talking hundreds of thousands of deaths or millions, as opposed to thousands. Now he's saying by Easter at the town hall. He did sister his stance later at the briefing, that he'd make the decision based on hard facts. I hope so because we have one chance to not screw this up. He needs to listen to Dr Fauci, Dr Brix etc.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 25, 2020, 01:05:03 AM
Food for thought 20% people age 20-44 require hospitalization based on current numbers we have. That's frightening. We need way more data from testing so we know how many have it and where we need to concentrate resources on before we even think of opening up the economy again.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 25, 2020, 01:09:21 AM
My daughter has her first patients.

Thank her for ge6t selfless service in this fight. I can only imagine what those on the front lines are dealing with.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 25, 2020, 02:20:12 AM
The Whitehouse and Senate have come to an agreement finally. Vote tomorrow will certainly pass by vote later and go to the presidents desk.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 25, 2020, 06:27:43 AM
Food for thought 20% people age 20-44 require hospitalization based on current numbers we have. That's frightening. We need way more data from testing so we know how many have it and where we need to concentrate resources on before we even think of opening up the economy again.

So, to weigh in just a bit:

Here's the problem.  20% of those that have been tested and confirmed to be positive, in that age bracket, require hospitalization.  That's an important distinction.  Because, at least in the states, the ONLY way you get tested is if your symptoms are severe enough to warrant testing and/or you are in a high risk population.

Because testing is so limited, we know our denominator in ANY data analytics is wrong, and probably wrong exponentially.  And for THAT demographic, especially.  Because many, many, many people are going to have get the virus in that age bracket and are NEVER going to get tested.  Either their symptoms are not severe enough, they are not in a high risk group, or they simply don't know they have it because they are asymptomatic/symptom atypical/think they have a cold/the flu.  Because there is evidence that a HUGE portion of people who have the virus have minor symptoms, and because there is such a HUGE shortage when it comes to number of tests....our analytics suck.  Plain and simple.

And I'm not talking out of my ass on this one. This is what I've done (and am doing), in this exact context and setting, for the last 20+ years.  We have shitty data right now.  We are providing data based on numbers we know are flat out wrong, but it's the best we can do right now.

What we need is 120 million tests....with a test as easy and common to administer as a flu test.  We are a long way from that, right now.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 25, 2020, 06:56:21 AM
Food for thought 20% people age 20-44 require hospitalization based on current numbers we have. That's frightening. We need way more data from testing so we know how many have it and where we need to concentrate resources on before we even think of opening up the economy again.

So, to weigh in just a bit:

Here's the problem.  20% of those that have been tested and confirmed to be positive, in that age bracket, require hospitalization.  That's an important distinction.  Because, at least in the states, the ONLY way you get tested is if your symptoms are severe enough to warrant testing and/or you are in a high risk population.

Because testing is so limited, we know our denominator in ANY data analytics is wrong, and probably wrong exponentially.  And for THAT demographic, especially.  Because many, many, many people are going to have get the virus in that age bracket and are NEVER going to get tested.  Either their symptoms are not severe enough, they are not in a high risk group, or they simply don't know they have it because they are asymptomatic/symptom atypical/think they have a cold/the flu.  Because there is evidence that a HUGE portion of people who have the virus have minor symptoms, and because there is such a HUGE shortage when it comes to number of tests....our analytics suck.  Plain and simple.

And I'm not talking out of my ass on this one. This is what I've done (and am doing), in this exact context and setting, for the last 20+ years.  We have shitty data right now.  We are providing data based on numbers we know are flat out wrong, but it's the best we can do right now.

What we need is 120 million tests....with a test as easy and common to administer as a flu test.  We are a long way from that, right now.

We need that 45 minute test the FDA approved stat. We need more labs that can process the tests because there is a huge backlog. If we were able to do proper testing of that age group the percentage of hospitalizations would likely be more around the worldwide average of 6-7%. The only ways we get out of this until there's a vaccine is social distancing stay at home orders and not for 2-3 weeks. We need 8-10 weeks. Look at Italy they are JUST NOW starting to see nationwide new cases going down country wide and no new cases in the last 24 hours in the city it started. Then we need a sharp increase in testing.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 25, 2020, 06:56:47 AM
Plus - Germany is showing quite a low rate of death compared to the # of cases.
Could it be that the early testing allows early treatment and caution? - possibly mitigating the effects?

When you have a disaster getting the testing out from the beginning - a lot of people who are being tested now - especially in Nyc - could be those dealing with very bad cases - and are dying.

And as mentioned above, not being able to test the average person early because symptoms are not that bad is a little illogical.




Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 25, 2020, 07:18:30 AM
Plus - Germany is showing quite a low rate of death compared to the # of cases.
Could it be that the early testing allows early treatment and caution? - possibly mitigating the effects?

When you have a disaster getting the testing out from the beginning - a lot of people who are being tested now - especially in Nyc - could be those dealing with very bad cases - and are dying.

And as mentioned above, not being able to test the average person early because symptoms are not that bad is a little illogical.



We have to increase testing it just that simple. How is the tougher question. Hopefully the stimulus can mitigate this. If we can get a better idea of who has it and where it is spreading the most we are in for a world of hurt for quite a few months.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 25, 2020, 07:19:24 AM
Prince Charles has tested positive for covid-19 experiencing mild symptoms but otherwise healthy.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 25, 2020, 08:56:03 AM
We need that 45 minute test the FDA approved stat. We need more labs that can process the tests because there is a huge backlog. If we were able to do proper testing of that age group the percentage of hospitalizations would likely be more around the worldwide average of 6-7%. The only ways we get out of this until there's a vaccine is social distancing stay at home orders and not for 2-3 weeks. We need 8-10 weeks. Look at Italy they are JUST NOW starting to see nationwide new cases going down country wide and no new cases in the last 24 hours in the city it started. Then we need a sharp increase in testing.
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I think 8 weeks is the sweet spot.  I'm not sure the global (and US economy) can handle a whole lot longer than that.  And if the economy collapses....the fact is you're going to kill people through starvation, lack of housing, and societal collapse/looting, etc as supplies run low and people REALLY start to panic.  You're also going to run into people who just say fuck it after 8 weeks, and set up illegal "prohibition style" businesses so they can make a living.  It's hard to care about the at risk populations when you can't put food on your table and feed your immediate family.

I don't agree with the President's timeline (by easter? No way!), but I do agree that we have to walk a delicate balance, here.  We have to make sure everyone ELSE can recover from the non-medical damage this is doing to the country, while at the same time protecting the at risk populations.  Right now, the at risk populations are the focus. That's as it should be.  By mid June, we're going to have to have tough discussions, if we haven't flattened things out.  There are no easy answers.

What I do know is that a vaccine is about 20 months out.  14 months to observe the live human subject....and assuming the vaccine currently in testing is actually effective and there's no serious/mortal side effects, 6 months to get it produced and rolled out to the world.

We can't do this for 20 months.  It's just not feasible.  So we have to find SOMETHING, SOMEHOW to go back to normal long before then.  Treatments, vastly increased equipment and resources....SOMETHING(S) to help, and ways to protect the at risk populations as much as we can.  Because self isolation/lockdowns and a shuttered economy for 20 months wouldn't last 20 months.  Society and the global economy would crumble long before then. And the virus would run rampant, anyways....I think we could potentially do it for 4...MAYBE 5 months.  But no more than that til things get BAD.

Maybe I'm cynical.  Maybe I don't have enough faith in my fellow man.  But look at Trump and some of his supporters RIGHT NOW.  They're already sick of this and want it to end.  I don't think, even in the face of rising death tolls, that sentiment is going to mellow much.  If anything, it will grow exponentially, just like it's own virus.

Be safe, stay home, AND WASH YOUR DAMN HANDS (and phones)!!!


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 25, 2020, 09:23:00 AM
We need that 45 minute test the FDA approved stat. We need more labs that can process the tests because there is a huge backlog. If we were able to do proper testing of that age group the percentage of hospitalizations would likely be more around the worldwide average of 6-7%. The only ways we get out of this until there's a vaccine is social distancing stay at home orders and not for 2-3 weeks. We need 8-10 weeks. Look at Italy they are JUST NOW starting to see nationwide new cases going down country wide and no new cases in the last 24 hours in the city it started. Then we need a sharp increase in testing.
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I think 8 weeks is the sweet spot.  I'm not sure the global (and US economy) can handle a whole lot longer than that.  And if the economy collapses....the fact is you're going to kill people through starvation, lack of housing, and societal collapse/looting, etc as supplies run low and people REALLY start to panic.  You're also going to run into people who just say fuck it after 8 weeks, and set up illegal "prohibition style" businesses so they can make a living.  It's hard to care about the at risk populations when you can't put food on your table and feed your immediate family.

I don't agree with the President's timeline (by easter? No way!), but I do agree that we have to walk a delicate balance, here.  We have to make sure everyone ELSE can recover from the non-medical damage this is doing to the country, while at the same time protecting the at risk populations.  Right now, the at risk populations are the focus. That's as it should be.  By mid June, we're going to have to have tough discussions, if we haven't flattened things out.  There are no easy answers.

What I do know is that a vaccine is about 20 months out.  14 months to observe the live human subject....and assuming the vaccine currently in testing is actually effective and there's no serious/mortal side effects, 6 months to get it produced and rolled out to the world.

We can't do this for 20 months.  It's just not feasible.  So we have to find SOMETHING, SOMEHOW to go back to normal long before then.  Treatments, vastly increased equipment and resources....SOMETHING(S) to help, and ways to protect the at risk populations as much as we can.  Because self isolation/lockdowns and a shuttered economy for 20 months wouldn't last 20 months.  Society and the global economy would crumble long before then. And the virus would run rampant, anyways....I think we could potentially do it for 4...MAYBE 5 months.  But no more than that til things get BAD.

Maybe I'm cynical.  Maybe I don't have enough faith in my fellow man.  But look at Trump and some of his supporters RIGHT NOW.  They're already sick of this and want it to end.  I don't think, even in the face of rising death tolls, that sentiment is going to mellow much.  If anything, it will grow exponentially, just like it's own virus.

Be safe, stay home, AND WASH YOUR DAMN HANDS (and phones)!!!

In Trump's defense he did walk back the hardline easter date during the briefing. I think 8  weeks can flatten the curve if we fallow the guidelines  We absolutely have to worry most about the high risk people but we can't pretend younger people can't get very sick with this. There are glimmers of hope though in other countries that have social isolating. China of course has done it and is getting ready to return to normal, South Korea has, Germany and finally signs of some hope in Italy. No new cases in the city the outbreak started yesterday and new infections are down 3 straight days and they are what 3 weeks in lockdown? We can do this in 8 week if we stay diligent. We do it and hopefully we're all rocking out at the GNR show this summer.

I'm staying home as much as possible. Unfortunately i have had no choice to go to my wound doctor because it could literally mean life and death. I'm nearly healed though thankfully and am only having to go every 2 weeks now. I've also taken to leaving my phone at home and washing my hands before i leave and when i get home so that nothing is getting on the phone.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 25, 2020, 11:49:41 PM
Has anybody said how we are recouping all this money because I don't think we have it in savings.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on March 26, 2020, 10:33:58 AM
Has anybody said how we are recouping all this money because I don't think we have it in savings.

They're literally just printing it.  One of the Federal Reserve presidents was on 60 Minutes this week and stated that specifically.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 26, 2020, 09:33:31 PM
I'm probably repeating myself here,  but Washington really needs to do a clean bill  to give relief for working people who have had their livelihoods affected by COVID-19. But congress seems incapable of that.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/25/coronavirus-economy-stimulus-house-democrats-148512 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/25/coronavirus-economy-stimulus-house-democrats-148512)

‘Have We Learned Nothing?’


The Dems' Christmas-tree bailout pitch isn’t going anywhere, but tells us a lot about what we might be headed for



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 26, 2020, 11:07:23 PM
I wish I had an opinion but I have no clue what to do.  I'm surprised how quickly they are doing something.  I'm wondering what they will do next because I don't think this is anywhere close to over.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 01:25:28 AM
I wish I had an opinion but I have no clue what to do.  I'm surprised how quickly they are doing something.  I'm wondering what they will do next because I don't think this is anywhere close to over.

It definitely isn't anywhere near over, even Italy had a setback today.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 27, 2020, 04:31:16 AM
I'm prepared to be home for the next month.  I have a little opportunity here.  Somebody gave me 96 rolls of toilet paper 2 two years ago to get over my shitty job.  I was saving it to wrap up my old boss' car but everytime I go to do it, it rains.  I'm more than happy to get rid of it.  For Easter I may just go put some in everybody's mailbox.  They'll need it by then.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 06:28:17 AM
I'm probably repeating myself here,  but Washington really needs to do a clean bill  to give relief for working people who have had their livelihoods affected by COVID-19. But congress seems incapable of that.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/25/coronavirus-economy-stimulus-house-democrats-148512 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/25/coronavirus-economy-stimulus-house-democrats-148512)

‘Have We Learned Nothing?’


The Dems' Christmas-tree bailout pitch isn’t going anywhere, but tells us a lot about what we might be headed for



They did.

The house bill was a negotiating ploy...one House leadership never expected to come to a vote.... because Senate Repubs did not want to have to go to reconcilliation.  And they got the protections they wanted in the Senate Bill.

Pretty clean bill passed the senate late Wednesday.

Unfortunately, a Repub is holding up the House vote (they wanted a unanimous voice vote by phone)...and now it looks like everyone has to come back to town to vote.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: sandman on March 27, 2020, 07:13:34 AM
Multi trillion dollar bill. I have not read any details because I don't want to sicken myself until the bill is actually passed. i'm sure all of our scum bag politicians are taking full advantage and addressing all of their pet projects.

I also don't like how the money is being paid out. someone making over $200K with 2 kids who still has their job is going to get about $1,000. People making $170K with 2 kids will be getting over $3,000. those families do not need anything.

the majority of the payouts should go to people who have actually lost their jobs, small business owners, and to lower income families.  


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 07:37:34 AM
I'm prepared to be home for the next month.  I have a little opportunity here.  Somebody gave me 96 rolls of toilet paper 2 two years ago to get over my shitty job.  I was saving it to wrap up my old boss' car but everytime I go to do it, it rains.  I'm more than happy to get rid of it.  For Easter I may just go put some in everybody's mailbox.  They'll need it by then.
Bet you could never have imagine two years later it would be such a commodity.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 07:40:05 AM
I'm probably repeating myself here,  but Washington really needs to do a clean bill  to give relief for working people who have had their livelihoods affected by COVID-19. But congress seems incapable of that.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/25/coronavirus-economy-stimulus-house-democrats-148512 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/25/coronavirus-economy-stimulus-house-democrats-148512)

‘Have We Learned Nothing?’


The Dems' Christmas-tree bailout pitch isn’t going anywhere, but tells us a lot about what we might be headed for



They did.

The house bill was a negotiating ploy...one House leadership never expected to come to a vote.... because Senate Repubs did not want to have to go to reconcilliation.  And they got the protections they wanted in the Senate Bill.

Pretty clean bill passed the senate late Wednesday.

Unfortunately, a Repub is holding up the House vote (they wanted a unanimous voice vote by phone)...and now it looks like everyone has to come back to town to vote.

Someone needs to slap that one Republican. Not only are they putting our elected officials at risk, but everyone they come in contact with on their way back to the capital for something they could do over a phone or video conference.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 07:42:04 AM
Multi trillion dollar bill. I have not read any details because I don't want to sicken myself until the bill is actually passed. i'm sure all of our scum bag politicians are taking full advantage and addressing all of their pet projects.

I also don't like how the money is being paid out. someone making over $200K with 2 kids who still has their job is going to get about $1,000. People making $170K with 2 kids will be getting over $3,000. those families do not need anything.

the majority of the payouts should go to people who have actually lost their jobs, small business owners, and to lower income families.  

Agreed the checks aren't good enough for those who need the most. In the plus side I'm glad Democrats got the provisions prevents elected officials and families from profiting of it it. I'm also glad the 500 billion to big industry will have oversight.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 27, 2020, 07:45:12 AM
I wish I had an opinion but I have no clue what to do.  I'm surprised how quickly they are doing something.  I'm wondering what they will do next because I don't think this is anywhere close to over.

It definitely isn't anywhere near over, even Italy had a setback today.

Anywhere near over? WTF are people thinking when they say this stuff.

Tell them you cannot - absolutely cannot begin to even think about the economy until the hospitals are NOT overrun.

Once that eases - you have a case to talk a fair balance of partial openings - but every day there is one doctor or nurse talking about putting sick patients in hallways - is another day you WAIT and do everything you can to ease the burden on these amazing people who are on the front lines.



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 08:14:15 AM
Anywhere near over? WTF are people thinking when they say this stuff.

Tell them you cannot - absolutely cannot begin to even think about the economy until the hospitals are NOT overrun.

Once that eases - you have a case to talk a fair balance of partial openings - but every day there is one doctor or nurse talking about putting sick patients in hallways - is another day you WAIT and do everything you can to ease the burden on these amazing people who are on the front lines.



Two of the hospitals in our Health System are full to capacity already, and CT isn't seeing the brunt of infections yet.

The other issue here is that we have had a pretty tough flu season, and we still have flu patients in beds recovering (and some new flu patients coming in....though not many).  A few of them are in ICU, and some smaller number are still on vents.  They can't be kicked out, and are still using resources the COVID patients need.

From the numbers we are running, we are at LEAST 2 weeks from peak infection rate, and maybe 3 to 4. We'll know more in the next couple of days.  I suspect we are about 8 weeks from even starting to think about reopening stuff slowly.  Maybe the numbers will surprise me, but we REALLY started the social distancing process just about 2 weeks ago, and went "full distance" about a week ago. 


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 08:23:26 AM
I wish I had an opinion but I have no clue what to do.  I'm surprised how quickly they are doing something.  I'm wondering what they will do next because I don't think this is anywhere close to over.

It definitely isn't anywhere near over, even Italy had a setback today.

Anywhere near over? WTF are people thinking when they say this stuff.

Tell them you cannot - absolutely cannot begin to even think about the economy until the hospitals are NOT overrun.

Once that eases - you have a case to talk a fair balance of partial openings - but every day there is one doctor or nurse talking about putting sick patients in hallways - is another day you WAIT and do everything you can to ease the burden on these amazing people who are on the front lines.


And Trump is talking about April 12th as a real possibility.   He is going to get so many people needlessly killed. ::)


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 08:24:38 AM
Anywhere near over? WTF are people thinking when they say this stuff.

Tell them you cannot - absolutely cannot begin to even think about the economy until the hospitals are NOT overrun.

Once that eases - you have a case to talk a fair balance of partial openings - but every day there is one doctor or nurse talking about putting sick patients in hallways - is another day you WAIT and do everything you can to ease the burden on these amazing people who are on the front lines.



Two of the hospitals in our Health System are full to capacity already, and CT isn't seeing the brunt of infections yet.

The other issue here is that we have had a pretty tough flu season, and we still have flu patients in beds recovering (and some new flu patients coming in....though not many).  A few of them are in ICU, and some smaller number are still on vents.  They can't be kicked out, and are still using resources the COVID patients need.

From the numbers we are running, we are at LEAST 2 weeks from peak infection rate, and maybe 3 to 4. We'll know more in the next couple of days.  I suspect we are about 8 weeks from even starting to think about reopening stuff slowly.  Maybe the numbers will surprise me, but we REALLY started the social distancing process just about 2 weeks ago, and went "full distance" about a week ago. 

If you are anything like NYC probably sooner rather then later before you reach peak.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 27, 2020, 08:27:47 AM
I wish I had an opinion but I have no clue what to do.  I'm surprised how quickly they are doing something.  I'm wondering what they will do next because I don't think this is anywhere close to over.

It definitely isn't anywhere near over, even Italy had a setback today.

Anywhere near over? WTF are people thinking when they say this stuff.

Tell them you cannot - absolutely cannot begin to even think about the economy until the hospitals are NOT overrun.

Once that eases - you have a case to talk a fair balance of partial openings - but every day there is one doctor or nurse talking about putting sick patients in hallways - is another day you WAIT and do everything you can to ease the burden on these amazing people who are on the front lines.


And Trump is talking about April 12th as a real possibility.   He is going to get so many people needlessly killed. ::)

Different areas of the country have different curves with this pandemic, we need to rate this ting county by county.  I dont see April 12th as a date anyone can return to normal no matter where you are but there will be some areas that will be able to lift some restrictions before others. I dont think we have enough data yet to make a determination on when and where that happens.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 08:29:44 AM

Someone needs to slap that one Republican. Not only are they putting our elected officials at risk, but everyone they come in contact with on their way back to the capital for something they could do over a phone or video conference.

Yeah, I don't think he's very popular right now.

I am heartened by the contents of the bill.  Amounts and cutoffs seem pretty appropriate for an economic stimulus (which is the intent).  And the additions of $600 a week, for 4 months, above and beyond state unemployment benefits, help take better care of those that have lost their jobs.  The bill seems PRETTY clean (no bill is bereft of pork), which is also good.  It makes nobody look good to stuff it full of pork.

I would like to see something more done for small business.  All the low interest loans are nice, but it looks like payoff periods...even virtually interest free...are only 1 year (and due in a balloon payment, I think?).  That's far too short a time frame when they are going to likely lose a full quarter of business.  In addition, it doesn't help business owners who have seen 90% of their business dry up overnight, and who didn't have themselves in a "full salary" position so can't claim unemployment.  It doesn't pay those peoples mortgages or put food on their table.  THATS what needs to be addressed, somehow. And 1200 an adult, and 500 per kid, doesn't do that for very long. Not if you still have to make mortgage payments, car payments, insurance payments AND put food on your table.  Never mind any credit card debt you might have.

I'd like to see moratoriums on interest and payments/automatic extensions for FHA mortgages and some sort of "food support" stipend, too (maybe an expansion of the food stamps program, short term).  That would address a lot of the stability issues families are going to see.

Lawmakers are already saying they expect to need at least one more, and maybe two more, rounds of stimulus like this.  One in June, and maybe another in August, to kickstart the economy.

With the federal bank buying the debt, and doing it at 0 or less interest rates, there's never been a better time to spend, and spend big, to keep things afloat.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 27, 2020, 08:30:34 AM
Here is a good take on how we got to where we are now. Didn't have to be this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2omrmqPNs&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3cTxwL90o5pEnAl09PXkRYAb-qhJ9mGxYjf6VTlnsT5IX-_VCgXeRv1F8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2omrmqPNs&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3cTxwL90o5pEnAl09PXkRYAb-qhJ9mGxYjf6VTlnsT5IX-_VCgXeRv1F8)





Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 08:32:06 AM
If you are anything like NYC probably sooner rather then later before you reach peak.

Capacity? Yeah.

Peak?  I think they are 2 weeks away from peak utilization/infection.  I know it looks so bad that you would expect peak and burnout soon.  But I think they are still in an exponential curve.  Until we see a day where they are not seeing a 50% increase, day over day, of infections.....They're not even close.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 08:33:14 AM
I wish I had an opinion but I have no clue what to do.  I'm surprised how quickly they are doing something.  I'm wondering what they will do next because I don't think this is anywhere close to over.

It definitely isn't anywhere near over, even Italy had a setback today.

Anywhere near over? WTF are people thinking when they say this stuff.

Tell them you cannot - absolutely cannot begin to even think about the economy until the hospitals are NOT overrun.

Once that eases - you have a case to talk a fair balance of partial openings - but every day there is one doctor or nurse talking about putting sick patients in hallways - is another day you WAIT and do everything you can to ease the burden on these amazing people who are on the front lines.


And Trump is talking about April 12th as a real possibility.   He is going to get so many people needlessly killed. ::)

Different areas of the country have different curves with this pandemic, we need to rate this ting county by county.  I dont see April 12th as a date anyone can return to normal no matter where you are but there will be some areas that will be able to lift some restrictions before others. I dont think we have enough data yet to make a determination on when and where that happens.
Definitely not, in my area DFW cases are starting to spike. We are now over 1k confirmed cases.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 08:41:26 AM
If you are anything like NYC probably sooner rather then later before you reach peak.

Capacity? Yeah.

Peak?  I think they are 2 weeks away from peak utilization/infection.  I know it looks so bad that you would expect peak and burnout soon.  But I think they are still in an exponential curve.  Until we see a day where they are not seeing a 50% increase, day over day, of infections.....They're not even close.

Yeah,, each day i see Governor Cuomo get up there and report it is worse then the previous day and how frustrated he is by the administration. It's heartbreaking. I can't fathom why Trump won't utilize the defense protection act to order american corporations to make these supplies. New York is gonna be overwhelmed and out very soon. I know yesterday he said they have enough for now but for now is gonna be gone soon.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 08:44:45 AM
Here is a good take on how we got to where we are now. Didn't have to be this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2omrmqPNs&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3cTxwL90o5pEnAl09PXkRYAb-qhJ9mGxYjf6VTlnsT5IX-_VCgXeRv1F8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2omrmqPNs&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3cTxwL90o5pEnAl09PXkRYAb-qhJ9mGxYjf6VTlnsT5IX-_VCgXeRv1F8)



Regulations save lives.....in times of normal care.  Period.  If you don't work in healthcare...honestly....you have no idea.

In a time of pandemic, they are hurdles.  And the CDC Pandemic Response Team made this clear awhile back.  And they issued a plan to relax those regulations at the beginning of any potential pandemic, to speed up the process.

Trump and his administration ignored that plan early on.  If, when he was briefed in December and updated in January, he had followed that plan...we would have been in much better shape than we are now.  Instead of campaigning against the virus like it was a political opponent (or a manufactured hoax of his political opponents).

But he didn't.  That's the truth in all this.  People begged him to.  The WHO offered tests to help bridge the gap in our production while he did.  And he flatly refused.  So our response was lagged, late, and ultimately not robust enough, for the situation.  We should have modeled our response after South Koreas, right from the get go.  It's what the medical community all told the fed and state governments to do.  Some state's listened earlier than others......but couldn't get fed support til early-mid March.

Now we wait.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 08:54:55 AM
If anyone has contacts in healthcare that are struggling with this, and caring for patients, I have a tiny bit of information to share:

We've found "proneing" patients (aka putting them on their stomachs for a period of time) has been effective in treatment.  I can't explain the clinical reasons why, but it's been working for us.  It's not comfortable for the patients, especially on a vent, but......we have seen verifiable results.

https://www.jwatch.org/fw116486/2020/03/25/covid-19-update-prone-positioning-comorbid-cancer-when

Hartford Hospital has found a way to split a single vent to work for 2 patients, without a loss of pressure, or increased risk of infection.  I believe we are trialing this in our health system, too.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/fear-of-ventilator-shortage-prompts-search-new-methods/2244634/


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 09:04:29 AM
Evidence of chaos in the CDC and administration regarding response:

https://www.propublica.org/article/internal-emails-show-how-chaos-at-the-cdc-slowed-the-early-response-to-coronavirus

Also, Howie is a colleague of mine, is a SUPER smart guy, and has a lot of good information on the spread and outbreak...and not just in CT:

https://twitter.com/thehowie


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 09:07:26 AM
If anyone has contacts in healthcare that are struggling with this, and caring for patients, I have a tiny bit of information to share:

We've found "proneing" patients (aka putting them on their stomachs for a period of time) has been effective in treatment.  I can't explain the clinical reasons why, but it's been working for us.  It's not comfortable for the patients, especially on a vent, but......we have seen verifiable results.

https://www.jwatch.org/fw116486/2020/03/25/covid-19-update-prone-positioning-comorbid-cancer-when

Hartford Hospital has found a way to split a single vent to work for 2 patients, without a loss of pressure, or increased risk of infection.  I believe we are trialing this in our health system, too.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/fear-of-ventilator-shortage-prompts-search-new-methods/2244634/

Interesting, i'm glad we are starting to find something that works.

I believe New York has also found a way to do this. Are they just allowed to go ahead and do it? Is there any kinda regulation or approval they have to get through to to be able to split it between 2 patients?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 09:09:04 AM
Miami Dade has now enacted stay at home as well as a curfew.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 27, 2020, 09:12:22 AM
Here is a good take on how we got to where we are now. Didn't have to be this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2omrmqPNs&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3cTxwL90o5pEnAl09PXkRYAb-qhJ9mGxYjf6VTlnsT5IX-_VCgXeRv1F8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2omrmqPNs&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3cTxwL90o5pEnAl09PXkRYAb-qhJ9mGxYjf6VTlnsT5IX-_VCgXeRv1F8)



Regulations save lives.....in times of normal care.  Period.  If you don't work in healthcare...honestly....you have no idea.

In a time of pandemic, they are hurdles.  And the CDC Pandemic Response Team made this clear awhile back.  And they issued a plan to relax those regulations at the beginning of any potential pandemic, to speed up the process.

Trump and his administration ignored that plan early on.  If, when he was briefed in December and updated in January, he had followed that plan...we would have been in much better shape than we are now.  Instead of campaigning against the virus like it was a political opponent (or a manufactured hoax of his political opponents).

But he didn't.  That's the truth in all this.  People begged him to.  The WHO offered tests to help bridge the gap in our production while he did.  And he flatly refused.  So our response was lagged, late, and ultimately not robust enough, for the situation.  We should have modeled our response after South Koreas, right from the get go.  It's what the medical community all told the fed and state governments to do.  Some state's listened earlier than others......but couldn't get fed support til early-mid March.

Now we wait.

Not all regulations are bad but some create a big headwind against progress and efficiency.  Ive dealt with government agencies in my business and I can tell you from personal experience this happens more often than it should.

Agree we should have followed the South Korea model. But we didn't ( or couldn't)

 



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 09:13:06 AM
Interesting, i'm glad we are starting to find something that works.

I believe New York has also found a way to do this. Are they just allowed to go ahead and do it? Is there any kinda regulation or approval they have to get through to to be able to split it between 2 patients?

Yup, they can just do it.  They might need a 3-d printer to print the parts that allow it to be done. I know Hartford Hospital is sharing those templates...I think some other centers are too.  But, from what we understand, its not a process that would fall under regulations or approvals.  I know there are a NUMBER of hospitals that are starting to do it.

If nothing else, this process seems to be leading to a period of extensive (and needs based) medical innovation.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 27, 2020, 09:14:17 AM
Miami Dade has now enacted stay at home as well as a curfew.

I'm surprised it took that long as they have the most cases in FL. Osceola and Orange Co ( Kissimmee- Orlando) enacted a stay at home order yesterday with fewer cases reported than Miami.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 09:16:24 AM
Interesting, i'm glad we are starting to find something that works.

I believe New York has also found a way to do this. Are they just allowed to go ahead and do it? Is there any kinda regulation or approval they have to get through to to be able to split it between 2 patients?

Yup, they can just do it.  They might need a 3-d printer to print the parts that allow it to be done. I know Hartford Hospital is sharing those templates...I think some other centers are too.  But, from what we understand, its not a process that would fall under regulations or approvals.  I know there are a NUMBER of hospitals that are starting to do it.

If nothing else, this process seems to be leading to a period of extensive (and needs based) medical innovation.
That is excellent news but now the obvious questions are do we have the beds, space and personnel.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 09:18:09 AM
Not all regulations are bad but some create a big headwind against progress and efficiency.  Ive dealt with government agencies in my business and I can tell you from personal experience this happens more often than it should.

Agree we should have followed the South Korea model. But we didn't ( or couldn't)


I won't comment on other industries.  I know construction folks hate them.  I can't comment on their effect or effectiveness in that, or most other, industries.

I've worked in the medical/healthcare field, in data analytics, for 20+ years.

Regulations save lives.  Specifically some of the regulations talked about in the posted video.  

If you're not in the medical field, you have no clue.  I'm not saying that to be an ass....it's just the truth.  It's like no other industry when it comes to this.  

I will go toe to toe with the FDA on the lag in approving drugs, and especially in using existing, approved, drugs in off book ways.  Their operational process is too slow by half.  But the laws and regulations on the books aren't the problem. They are there to save lives, and they DO!  The FDA's process (and borderline incestuous relationship with Big Pharma) is.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 09:19:54 AM
Miami Dade has now enacted stay at home as well as a curfew.

I'm surprised it took that long as they have the most cases in FL. Osceola and Orange Co ( Kissimmee- Orlando) enacted a stay at home order yesterday with fewer cases reported than Miami.
I think your governor needs to get more involved. He has been very reluctant to do anything like this.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 09:27:04 AM
That is excellent news but now the obvious questions are do we have the beds, space and personnel.

It makes things more efficient.  Your respiratory therapists are more efficient because they can tend to two patients at once on the vents.  Same with your ICU nursing staff (who could probably adjust vent pressures...they just don't because they don't want to overstep Respiratory Therapy).  Easier to monitor 2 patients on one machine.

The other questions you asked...it depends.  It will help in overrun places, but you are still going to run out of resources.  It's not going to get you more beds or rooms...it's just going to mean you need ONE vent in the room, and not 2.  It's also not going to get you more ECMO machines, to help with cardio-pulmonary issues.  But it's SOMETHING that makes the shortage of vents less than it would otherwise be.

Our real problem patients have been those 70+, which is what you would expect.  The younger, respiratory compromised, patients DO BETTER.  Of the deaths we've seen 91% were over 70.  4.5% were over 50 (and extremely respiratorily compromised prior to infection).  The rest were younger, but ALL had extreme COPD/ARDS comorbidities prior to infection.  I don't know if EVERYONE across the country is seeing those statistics/demographics....but we are.

We have severe SYMPTOMS in younger age brackets, but so far no deaths.  I don't know, yet, about functional discharge status.  We'll see when they recover.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 09:28:59 AM
I think your governor needs to get more involved. He has been very reluctant to do anything like this.

He wouldn't even fucking close the beaches during spring break. Municipalities had to take it on themselves ,and even then not all closed.  Stupid, stupid, stupid.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 09:33:20 AM
Looks like the UK PM, Boris Johnson, tested positive for Covid today.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 27, 2020, 09:40:16 AM
Miami Dade has now enacted stay at home as well as a curfew.

I'm surprised it took that long as they have the most cases in FL. Osceola and Orange Co ( Kissimmee- Orlando) enacted a stay at home order yesterday with fewer cases reported than Miami.
I think your governor needs to get more involved. He has been very reluctant to do anything like this.

I dont think it needs to be statewide, county by county depending on the amount of cases makes more sense I think.

One thing that pisses me off  abt DeSantis is that he said there would be natl guard and state officials to meet those who flew in from NYC area as they needed to self quarantine for 14 days. This is not happening at Orlando Intl Airport, people get off the planes grab their luggage and leave and there is no one there to meet.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 09:48:30 AM
That is excellent news but now the obvious questions are do we have the beds, space and personnel.

It makes things more efficient.  Your respiratory therapists are more efficient because they can tend to two patients at once on the vents.  Same with your ICU nursing staff (who could probably adjust vent pressures...they just don't because they don't want to overstep Respiratory Therapy).  Easier to monitor 2 patients on one machine.

The other questions you asked...it depends.  It will help in overrun places, but you are still going to run out of resources.  It's not going to get you more beds or rooms...it's just going to mean you need ONE vent in the room, and not 2.  It's also not going to get you more ECMO machines, to help with cardio-pulmonary issues.  But it's SOMETHING that makes the shortage of vents less than it would otherwise be.

Our real problem patients have been those 70+, which is what you would expect.  The younger, respiratory compromised, patients DO BETTER.  Of the deaths we've seen 91% were over 70.  4.5% were over 50 (and extremely respiratorily compromised prior to infection).  The rest were younger, but ALL had extreme COPD/ARDS comorbidities prior to infection.  I don't know if EVERYONE across the country is seeing those statistics/demographics....but we are.

We have severe SYMPTOMS in younger age brackets, but so far no deaths.  I don't know, yet, about functional discharge status.  We'll see when they recover.

There's also a company, Prisma who has developed a ventilator that can take 4 patients at once..

Those numbers are pretty much inline with what i have been hearing. If there is one small silver lining if you regularly check the tracker via John's Hopkins, the recovered rate worldwide at least seems to be going up faster then new infections. Even in the US it has climbed quite a bit in the last few days. I take that with a pinch of salt because we are well behind other countries. Not saying we are in anyway getting out of the woods here or abroad but small glimmers of hope. I'm also curious just what exactly the recovered numbers are. Certainly higher then what is reported simply because not everyone with symptoms get tested or even have to go to the hospital.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 09:48:57 AM
Looks like the UK PM, Boris Johnson, tested positive for Covid today.

Yep it is all over the news.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 09:49:54 AM
Miami Dade has now enacted stay at home as well as a curfew.

I'm surprised it took that long as they have the most cases in FL. Osceola and Orange Co ( Kissimmee- Orlando) enacted a stay at home order yesterday with fewer cases reported than Miami.
I think your governor needs to get more involved. He has been very reluctant to do anything like this.

I dont think it needs to be statewide, county by county depending on the amount of cases makes more sense I think.

One thing that pisses me off  abt DeSantis is that he said there would be natl guard and state officials to meet those who flew in from NYC area as they needed to self quarantine for 14 days. This is not happening at Orlando Intl Airport, people get off the planes grab their luggage and leave and there is no one there to meet.

That is just literally asking for trouble.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 27, 2020, 12:11:08 PM
Governor Cuomo says today the apex is expected in about 3 weeks.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 27, 2020, 01:30:33 PM
STIMULUS JUST PASSED BY HOUSE - HEADING TO TRUMP'S DESK NOW - JUST AN FYI


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 27, 2020, 02:48:31 PM
STIMULUS JUST PASSED BY HOUSE - HEADING TO TRUMP'S DESK NOW - JUST AN FYI


They "overruled" the parliamentary objection. :)  LOL! That's awesome!


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 27, 2020, 02:51:10 PM
STIMULUS JUST PASSED BY HOUSE - HEADING TO TRUMP'S DESK NOW - JUST AN FYI


They "overruled" the parliamentary objection. :)  LOL! That's awesome!

Yep - what a giant pile of heartless humanity you must be to get in the way of this after it already stalled for so long


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: AxlsMainMan on March 27, 2020, 03:13:35 PM
Well said by The Guardian, as per usual:

Trump's narcissism has taken a new twist. And now he has American blood on his hands
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/27/trump-narcissism-american-blood-coronavirus (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/27/trump-narcissism-american-blood-coronavirus)


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 28, 2020, 04:36:17 AM
FDA has fast tracked a new test to get results in 15 minutes allowing for 50k tests a day aimed for hotspots. It will be used in New York starting today i believe. I think they shipped 1 million? There is still a shortage of the swabs but this is huge news.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 28, 2020, 08:12:46 AM
FDA has fast tracked a new test to get results in 15 minutes allowing for 50k tests a day aimed for hotspots. It will be used in New York starting today i believe. I think they shipped 1 million? There is still a shortage of the swabs but this is huge news.

As usual - America may be a little slow to start - but once the full power is unleashed it can be a sight to behold


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 28, 2020, 08:25:59 AM
FDA has fast tracked a new test to get results in 15 minutes allowing for 50k tests a day aimed for hotspots. It will be used in New York starting today i believe. I think they shipped 1 million? There is still a shortage of the swabs but this is huge news.

As usual - America may be a little slow to start - but once the full power is unleashed it can be a sight to behold

Yep and they will be able to ship 50k of these a day. so they will be able to test 5 million a month. The best thing is this is a small 7 pound test kit that can be used in urgent care and doctors office in addition to the ER. This has the potential to be a game changer. We still have a part shortage like swabs to solve but i believe we can do it. If we can legit test 5 million a month we can identify hotspots and quarantining where we need it.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489959-fda-authorizes-15-minute-coronavirus-test info on the test.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on March 28, 2020, 09:04:58 AM
Meanwhile in Brazil the governors are shutting places down and telling people to stay home. The president is basically saying this is all hysteria and business is more important than people staying healthy.

If you think Trump is doing a bad job, it could be worse. At least he woke up to reality unlike Bolsonaro in Brazil who's still denying it and attacking those who oppose his views.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/mar/27/jair-bolsonaro-claims-brazilians-never-catch-anything-as-covid-19-cases-rise





/jarmo






Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: westcoast_junkie on March 28, 2020, 10:03:23 AM
Let's hope he'll step it up a notch reagarding that. Sets thing in perspective when reading about Brazil, Africa and this starting to spread in refugee camps around the world.

In developed countries, we're lucky if the health care system can handle this. It's a shame when some are qualified for help and some ain't.

This boy was not it seems:
"The family told Parris the teen was complaining of respiratory distress when he first went to an HMO facility, but officials there declined to treat him. The family does not have health insurance. A few days later, the boy was taken to Antelope Valley Regional Medical Center, he said." - LA Times https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-25/a-search-for-answers-in-teens-death-that-may-be-linked-to-coronavirus%3f_amp=true (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-25/a-search-for-answers-in-teens-death-that-may-be-linked-to-coronavirus%3f_amp=true)

That's f*cked....


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 28, 2020, 01:54:23 PM
Don't think things will be back to normal by Easter. Unfortunately this may need to happen.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-considers-enforceable-quarantine-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-parts-of-connecticut.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-considers-enforceable-quarantine-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-parts-of-connecticut.html)

Trump considers ‘enforceable’ quarantine in New York, New Jersey and parts of Connecticut


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 28, 2020, 02:40:34 PM
Don't think things will be back to normal by Easter. Unfortunately this may need to happen.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-considers-enforceable-quarantine-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-parts-of-connecticut.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-considers-enforceable-quarantine-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-parts-of-connecticut.html)

Trump considers ‘enforceable’ quarantine in New York, New Jersey and parts of Connecticut

Terrible idea doctors are saying because people will flee these areas before it happens and just spread this more and exacerbate the problem. There's major question if he even has the legal authority to do this.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on March 28, 2020, 03:50:27 PM
Don't think things will be back to normal by Easter. Unfortunately this may need to happen.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-considers-enforceable-quarantine-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-parts-of-connecticut.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-considers-enforceable-quarantine-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-parts-of-connecticut.html)

Trump considers ‘enforceable’ quarantine in New York, New Jersey and parts of Connecticut

Terrible idea doctors are saying because people will flee these areas before it happens and just spread this more and exacerbate the problem. There's major question if he even has the legal authority to do this.

I question where they would go though. Most people don’t have the means to just pick up and leave for weeks.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 28, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
They seem to be making their way already to Rhode Island and Florida.

Our Gov in FL is failing miserably in enforcing the w week self quarantine for new arrivals from hot spots.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 29, 2020, 05:33:25 AM
Don't think things will be back to normal by Easter. Unfortunately this may need to happen.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-considers-enforceable-quarantine-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-parts-of-connecticut.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-considers-enforceable-quarantine-in-new-york-new-jersey-and-parts-of-connecticut.html)

Trump considers ‘enforceable’ quarantine in New York, New Jersey and parts of Connecticut

Terrible idea doctors are saying because people will flee these areas before it happens and just spread this more and exacerbate the problem. There's major question if he even has the legal authority to do this.

I question where they would go though. Most people don’t have the means to just pick up and leave for weeks.

Florida, many New Yorkers have summer homes there.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 30, 2020, 03:52:11 AM
Now we have the president on Twitter boasting his daily briefing got better ratings then the bachelorette? You literally couldn't make this shit up.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on March 30, 2020, 07:14:08 AM
Now we have the president on Twitter boasting his daily briefing got better ratings then the bachelorette? You literally couldn't this shit up.

Nobody should be surprised after the inauguration hullabaloo. 



/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 30, 2020, 07:22:31 AM
Now we have the president on Twitter boasting his daily briefing got better ratings then the bachelorette? You literally couldn't this shit up.

Nobody should be surprised after the inauguration hullabaloo. 



/jarmo


Indeed.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on March 30, 2020, 07:36:30 AM
Social distancing guidelines new extended to April 30th. We got another month at least of this. More than likely we have 2 months till life returns to normal. 


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 30, 2020, 08:22:12 AM
Social distancing guidelines new extended to April 30th. We got another month at least of this. More than likely we have 2 months till life returns to normal. 
Not surprised in the least. I knew from the start it was gonna be 2 months minimum. It's gonna take the rapid point of care tests that can get results in real time like Dr Fauci said yesterday on CNN before we can really start to relax restrictions. He says that is at least a few more weeks out.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 30, 2020, 10:19:57 AM
Now we have the president on Twitter boasting his daily briefing got better ratings then the bachelorette? You literally couldn't this shit up.

Nobody should be surprised after the inauguration hullabaloo. 



/jarmo


Narcissism has no boundaries
Such a horrible human being


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on March 30, 2020, 11:13:37 PM
Social distancing guidelines new extended to April 30th. We got another month at least of this. More than likely we have 2 months till life returns to normal.  

Don't think that will happen.  China is on a full 3 months and just coming down.  Then there's the risk of it going back up when we do loosen things back up.  Make yourself at home, you're going to be there a while.

That's only my opinion.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 31, 2020, 05:07:26 AM
Social distancing guidelines new extended to April 30th. We got another month at least of this. More than likely we have 2 months till life returns to normal.  

Don't think that will happen.  China is on a full 3 months and just coming down.  Then there's the risk of it going back up when we do loosen things back up.  Make yourself at home, you're going to be there a while.

That's only my opinion.

Yep that's our best defense right now stay the fuck home. Until we can get enough of the point if care tests out there like the 5 minute one about just developed can do rapid time testing. Once we get they're we can much more quickly find hotspots, do contact tracing, then we can take a serious look at getting back to normal. Or we need an antiviral. Hopefully an existing drug will work there currently in testing. Some countries are mandating people going out west make. Trump floated the idea here for a short time. I don't know how feasible that would be in a country this big. We can't even get the medical professionals enough right now.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 31, 2020, 05:55:46 AM
Social distancing guidelines new extended to April 30th. We got another month at least of this. More than likely we have 2 months till life returns to normal. 

I see your governor finally issued a half assed stay at home for the southern portion of the state.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 31, 2020, 11:18:26 AM
SiriusXM is free for everyone starting today until May 15th.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on March 31, 2020, 11:33:55 AM
SiriusXM is free for everyone starting today until May 15th.

I wonder if they'll still bill existing subscribers (like me) or not.  Would be nice to get the next month or so free....


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 31, 2020, 12:07:44 PM
SiriusXM is free for everyone starting today until May 15th.

I wonder if they'll still bill existing subscribers (like me) or not.  Would be nice to get the next month or so free....

That i don't know but i know it includes all their channels and they will be completely ad free.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 31, 2020, 12:12:21 PM
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/howard-stern-announces-free-access-140000284.html


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on March 31, 2020, 12:12:58 PM
Governor Cuomo just announced his brother Chris Cuomo has Covid-19.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Mysteron on March 31, 2020, 03:43:36 PM
Social distancing guidelines new extended to April 30th. We got another month at least of this. More than likely we have 2 months till life returns to normal.  

Don't think that will happen.  China is on a full 3 months and just coming down.  Then there's the risk of it going back up when we do loosen things back up.  Make yourself at home, you're going to be there a while.

That's only my opinion.

Yep that's our best defense right now stay the fuck home. Until we can get enough of the point if care tests out there like the 5 minute one about just developed can do rapid time testing. Once we get they're we can much more quickly find hotspots, do contact tracing, then we can take a serious look at getting back to normal. Or we need an antiviral. Hopefully an existing drug will work there currently in testing. Some countries are mandating people going out west make. Trump floated the idea here for a short time. I don't know how feasible that would be in a country this big. We can't even get the medical professionals enough right now.

Corona viruses include the common cold, there has never been a cure or anything else. It'll pass until the next one comes along.

For me, it highlights two things, the Chinese need to stop their wild animal markets, and Trump is a moron and will hopefully get voted out this year


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 01, 2020, 05:25:23 AM
Social distancing guidelines new extended to April 30th. We got another month at least of this. More than likely we have 2 months till life returns to normal.  

Don't think that will happen.  China is on a full 3 months and just coming down.  Then there's the risk of it going back up when we do loosen things back up.  Make yourself at home, you're going to be there a while.

That's only my opinion.

Yep that's our best defense right now stay the fuck home. Until we can get enough of the point if care tests out there like the 5 minute one about just developed can do rapid time testing. Once we get they're we can much more quickly find hotspots, do contact tracing, then we can take a serious look at getting back to normal. Or we need an antiviral. Hopefully an existing drug will work there currently in testing. Some countries are mandating people going out west make. Trump floated the idea here for a short time. I don't know how feasible that would be in a country this big. We can't even get the medical professionals enough right now.

Corona viruses include the common cold, there has never been a cure or anything else. It'll pass until the next one comes along.

For me, it highlights two things, the Chinese need to stop their wild animal markets, and Trump is a moron and will hopefully get voted out this year

They have, too little too late, but they have banned the sale of wild animals at the wet markets.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 01, 2020, 05:41:28 AM
Social distancing guidelines new extended to April 30th. We got another month at least of this. More than likely we have 2 months till life returns to normal.  

Don't think that will happen.  China is on a full 3 months and just coming down.  Then there's the risk of it going back up when we do loosen things back up.  Make yourself at home, you're going to be there a while.

That's only my opinion.

Yep that's our best defense right now stay the fuck home. Until we can get enough of the point if care tests out there like the 5 minute one about just developed can do rapid time testing. Once we get they're we can much more quickly find hotspots, do contact tracing, then we can take a serious look at getting back to normal. Or we need an antiviral. Hopefully an existing drug will work there currently in testing. Some countries are mandating people going out west make. Trump floated the idea here for a short time. I don't know how feasible that would be in a country this big. We can't even get the medical professionals enough right now.

Corona viruses include the common cold, there has never been a cure or anything else. It'll pass until the next one comes along.

For me, it highlights two things, the Chinese need to stop their wild animal markets, and Trump is a moron and will hopefully get voted out this year

They have, too little too late, but they have banned the sale of wild animals at the wet markets.

Let's hope this is true and can be confirmed

Let's also hope the world gets together after this and makes them pay a price


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 01, 2020, 03:10:46 PM
Social distancing guidelines new extended to April 30th. We got another month at least of this. More than likely we have 2 months till life returns to normal.  

Don't think that will happen.  China is on a full 3 months and just coming down.  Then there's the risk of it going back up when we do loosen things back up.  Make yourself at home, you're going to be there a while.

That's only my opinion.

Yep that's our best defense right now stay the fuck home. Until we can get enough of the point if care tests out there like the 5 minute one about just developed can do rapid time testing. Once we get they're we can much more quickly find hotspots, do contact tracing, then we can take a serious look at getting back to normal. Or we need an antiviral. Hopefully an existing drug will work there currently in testing. Some countries are mandating people going out west make. Trump floated the idea here for a short time. I don't know how feasible that would be in a country this big. We can't even get the medical professionals enough right now.

Corona viruses include the common cold, there has never been a cure or anything else. It'll pass until the next one comes along.

For me, it highlights two things, the Chinese need to stop their wild animal markets, and Trump is a moron and will hopefully get voted out this year

They have, too little too late, but they have banned the sale of wild animals at the wet markets.

Let's hope this is true and can be confirmed

Let's also hope the world gets together after this and makes them pay a price
The one that is actually responsible has also been shut down. We still have no idea though what animal it was that created this shit show.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 01, 2020, 03:11:33 PM
Florida has finally issued stay at home orders.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 01, 2020, 03:27:05 PM
Florida has finally issued stay at home orders.

Yep, last day of work for me is tomorrow.

Hopefully I get to keep the home I'm legally obligated to stay in.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 01, 2020, 03:27:38 PM
Florida has finally issued stay at home orders.

Heard this

Cuomo warned every state - to watch NY because you're likely next


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 06:08:27 AM
Florida has finally issued stay at home orders.

Yep, last day of work for me is tomorrow.

Hopefully I get to keep the home I'm legally obligated to stay in.

Hope you and your family stay safe and healthy.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 06:10:10 AM
Florida has finally issued stay at home orders.

Heard this

Cuomo warned every state - to watch NY because you're likely next

They absolutely are next and it won't just be Urban and suburban areas. Rural areas will be hard hit. No state, city or town will go unaffected.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 06:10:56 AM
So Florida is including church as essential. What a tool.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 02, 2020, 06:43:55 AM
What I continue to find odd is that everyone is told about 6 feet of social distancing. Stay out of crowds, etc.
Stores have rules in place now as well.
All for good reason.

But then you watch the task force pressers and there are 6 people standing right next to each other, press not far away.
Watching the different governors being flanked by their people all over the tv.

So I get that everyone is tested for fever before they enter the White House but we have also been told you can have it, be asymptomatic and still spread it.

If that's the case - why are the president AND vice president in the same place all of the time now surrounded by 20 people.

Just been amazing to watch this evolve and reveal what I believe is the uncertainty involved in everything related to this thing.




Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 07:41:34 AM
What I continue to find odd is that everyone is told about 6 feet of social distancing. Stay out of crowds, etc.
Stores have rules in place now as well.
All for good reason.

But then you watch the task force pressers and there are 6 people standing right next to each other, press not far away.
Watching the different governors being flanked by their people all over the tv.

So I get that everyone is tested for fever before they enter the White House but we have also been told you can have it, be asymptomatic and still spread it.

If that's the case - why are the president AND vice president in the same place all of the time now surrounded by 20 people.

Just been amazing to watch this evolve and reveal what I believe is the uncertainty involved in everything related to this thing.




Yes they should be in smaller groups for sure.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 02, 2020, 07:42:55 AM
So Florida is including church as essential. What a tool.

This is fucking stupid. Personally I'm not very religious, but I dont believe anywhere does it say you can only pray to God in large groups in the same room.

 Its about the church and their income, not anyone faith or religious convictions. Why should their business continue as normal?  


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 02, 2020, 07:45:38 AM
Florida has finally issued stay at home orders.

Yep, last day of work for me is tomorrow.

Hopefully I get to keep the home I'm legally obligated to stay in.

Hope you and your family stay safe and healthy.

Thank you Tim_m. You do the same. I need someone around here to argue with from time to time  :hihi:

Hopefully this thing only lasts a month or two.



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 08:06:32 AM
So Florida is including church as essential. What a tool.

This is fucking stupid. Personally I'm not very religious, but I dont believe anywhere does it say you can only pray to God in large groups in the same room.

 Its about the church and their income, not anyone faith or religious convictions. Why should their business continue as normal?  

Agreed, this is just needlessly risking lives not only of the parishioners but their families and anyone else they would come in contact with.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 08:07:47 AM
In just the last 24 hours more states have stay at home orders, Georgia, Florida which happened late yesterday. Mississippi and Nevada.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 08:13:20 AM
Florida has finally issued stay at home orders.

Yep, last day of work for me is tomorrow.

Hopefully I get to keep the home I'm legally obligated to stay in.

Hope you and your family stay safe and healthy.

Thank you Tim_m. You do the same. I need someone around here to argue with from time to time  :hihi:

Hopefully this thing only lasts a month or two.



Thank you. Haha yes, there will be plenty of time for political debate as the election gets closer and this hopefully passes. Now is not the time to be political. I do not wish this on anyone regardless of their political affiliation or views. I don't even wish it on Trump himself as much as i dislike him.

Stay home, stay safe and stay healthy. This goes for everyone on this board as well.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 08:18:06 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/490725-fauci-given-security-detail-after-receiving-threats

This is just very sad. Why would anyone want to harm this brilliant man who giving us all the facts about covid-19 we need.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 02, 2020, 08:55:12 AM
So Florida is including church as essential. What a tool.

This is fucking stupid. Personally I'm not very religious, but I dont believe anywhere does it say you can only pray to God in large groups in the same room.

 Its about the church and their income, not anyone faith or religious convictions. Why should their business continue as normal?  

Agree 100%
Not religious either - but isn't religion and God one of the few things where you don't need a congregation of people to accomplish the goal anyway?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 09:06:46 AM
So Florida is including church as essential. What a tool.

This is fucking stupid. Personally I'm not very religious, but I dont believe anywhere does it say you can only pray to God in large groups in the same room.

 Its about the church and their income, not anyone faith or religious convictions. Why should their business continue as normal?  

Agree 100%
Not religious either -

but isn't religion and God one of the few things where you don't need a congregation of people to accomplish the goal anyway?

Yep they say god is everywhere, so why do we have to go to a special building to worship?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 09:08:01 AM
Weekly jobless report out and its awful. 6.6 million have filed for unemployment. 3.5 million more then expected.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 02, 2020, 09:37:15 AM
So Florida is including church as essential. What a tool.

This is fucking stupid. Personally I'm not very religious, but I dont believe anywhere does it say you can only pray to God in large groups in the same room.

 Its about the church and their income, not anyone faith or religious convictions. Why should their business continue as normal?  

Agree 100%
Not religious either - but isn't religion and God one of the few things where you don't need a congregation of people to accomplish the goal anyway?

Yep. A church and financial obligation isn't required to talk to your respective deity no matter what organized religion tells you.

I pray once in awhile as I'm the bad non practicing Catholic who doesn't buy in to all the BS rules  the church has set over the last 1000 years or so . Its between me, God and Jesus, we dont need a middleman.

Religious rant over.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: AxlsMainMan on April 02, 2020, 12:27:05 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/490725-fauci-given-security-detail-after-receiving-threats

This is just very sad. Why would anyone want to harm this brilliant man who giving us all the facts about covid-19 we need.

Because the devout Fox News/Benghazi/WMD crowd is convinced he's working for the Clintons to undermine Trump.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 02, 2020, 12:50:31 PM
Stay safe everyone!


Here in Sweden things are almost normal. Very little restrictions so far. Which is really weird considering what's going on elsewhere.





/jarmo



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Bridge on April 02, 2020, 01:33:36 PM
Stay safe everyone!


Here in Sweden things are almost normal. Very little restrictions so far. Which is really weird considering what's going on elsewhere.

Is there toilet paper in Sweden??  Here in America, we apparently decided that toilet paper and bread would cure the virus, so there is none of either to be found anywhere!   ::)  That's hysteria for you.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 02, 2020, 04:05:05 PM
Stay safe everyone!


Here in Sweden things are almost normal. Very little restrictions so far. Which is really weird considering what's going on elsewhere.

Is there toilet paper in Sweden??  Here in America, we apparently decided that toilet paper and bread would cure the virus, so there is none of either to be found anywhere!   ::)  That's hysteria for you.

Figure with the millions of restaurants shut down and livelihoods lost - at least those unfortunate folks who owned or managed them were able to raid the damn TP supplies - not exactly a perk but likely a reality.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 02, 2020, 04:55:26 PM
Is there toilet paper in Sweden??  Here in America, we apparently decided that toilet paper and bread would cure the virus, so there is none of either to be found anywhere!   ::)  That's hysteria for you.


I think we have toilet paper. All out of hand sanitizer though.






/jarmo





Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 05:24:26 PM
Stay safe everyone!


Here in Sweden things are almost normal. Very little restrictions so far. Which is really weird considering what's going on elsewhere.





/jarmo



You have to imagine it's only a matter of time before it happens there.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 02, 2020, 05:25:39 PM
Stay safe everyone!


Here in Sweden things are almost normal. Very little restrictions so far. Which is really weird considering what's going on elsewhere.

Is there toilet paper in Sweden??  Here in America, we apparently decided that toilet paper and bread would cure the virus, so there is none of either to be found anywhere!   ::)  That's hysteria for you.

Paper towels here too. We finally found a big double roll of bounty today.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 02, 2020, 07:32:25 PM
Stay safe everyone!


Here in Sweden things are almost normal. Very little restrictions so far. Which is really weird considering what's going on elsewhere.

Is there toilet paper in Sweden??  Here in America, we apparently decided that toilet paper and bread would cure the virus, so there is none of either to be found anywhere!   ::)  That's hysteria for you.

Paper towels here too. We finally found a big double roll of bounty today.

Read today that the supermarkets are getting close but are still about 2-3 days behind this current demand for things like TP and PT - hopefully they catch up soon and have the storage to handle this because I think it will only get worse.

Plumbers and Drain De-cloggers must be ca$hing in big time right now.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 02, 2020, 08:15:32 PM
Ive been getting my TP and paper towels on auto ship by the case for years. I can still wipe my ass in April 2020.  :beer:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 02, 2020, 08:24:11 PM
At least Spring is upon us up here in the Northeast - the leaves should be nice and soothing
Winter would have been a little scratchy


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: GypsySoul on April 03, 2020, 12:32:34 AM
So Florida is including church as essential. What a tool.

This is fucking stupid. Personally I'm not very religious, but I dont believe anywhere does it say you can only pray to God in large groups in the same room.

 Its about the church and their income, not anyone faith or religious convictions. Why should their business continue as normal?  

Agree 100%
Not religious either - but isn't religion and God one of the few things where you don't need a congregation of people to accomplish the goal anyway?

Yep. A church and financial obligation isn't required to talk to your respective deity no matter what organized religion tells you.

I pray once in awhile as I'm the bad non practicing Catholic who doesn't buy in to all the BS rules  the church has set over the last 1000 years or so . Its between me, God and Jesus, we dont need a middleman.

Religious rant over.

Full disclosure:  I CONFESS JESUS CHRIST AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR. I attend mass almost every day.  I say the rosary almost every day. I pray continually throughout the day. It truly makes me feel good.

I truly believe that God wants me and everyone else to STAY THE FUCK HOME!!! Don't be gathering and spreading germs that possibly could kill someone else!!!  That's in the TOP TEN!!!  Situations like this is why God made TV and the internet!!! Those who want to can watch services of practically any faith, any time of the day or night.  (right now it's about 12:30 am and I am joyfully waiting to watch Pope Francis Private Mass From Santa Marta at 1am on EWTN)

If the reason you choose not to go to church is only because you believe they're all about the almighty dollar, IMHO, you weren't going for the right reason anyways.  It's not like taxes and death.  You don't have to give anything just because they say so.  But that being said, most of us easily pay a ridiculous amount of money to go to a concert or movie or to buy swag.  The money you give in church is like for mostly the same exact purposes:  overhead costs, salaries, and lawyers.

What do I believe God expects of us?  To quote Abe Lincoln:  Be excellent to one another and party on dudes!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGErt4CfLD0

Religious rant over.  ;D


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 03, 2020, 06:35:37 AM
Weekly jobless report out and its awful. 6.6 million have filed for unemployment. 3.5 million more then expected.

I don't even know why they are listing expectations.  It's stupid.  The fact is: When you actually start to think things through, every move to keep us safe effects thousands of jobs, both directly and indirectly.

An example: My wife runs the office of a local (not chain) grocery store.  They are not doing ads right now, because they can't predict what they can get in stock in any given week.  They PUT stuff on sale, as it comes in and they can get sale pricing on it....but they just can't predict...even a week in advance...what that stuff will be.

The ad company they work with is laying off 3/4 of it's staff...because pretty much all the markets they deal with are in the same boat.

The print shop they use for physical ads is laying off half it's staff because they're printing fewer and fewer ads.

The delivery company that delivers supplies to the print shop is laying people off, because they are doing fewer deliveries.

And it goes on and on. 

They should just stop providing specific "expectations" and let the numbers speak for themselves.  They are going to be terrible.  That's what their expectations should say: Terrible.  No number, just that. :)


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 03, 2020, 06:39:45 AM
Ive been getting my TP and paper towels on auto ship by the case for years. I can still wipe my ass in April 2020.  :beer:

Just a pro top: If you are working from home, WB Mason will deliver to you. ;)  It's all "industry" level stuff, and it's not going to be your favorite brand....but it's TP and paper towels.

If that doesn't work, and you have friends who own...IDK...a restaurant or brewery or whatever who is only doing take out...see if you can get them to order you supplies.  Maybe you can sweeten the pot and get them to do a "TP curbside pickup" with a little extra tip for them on top!


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 03, 2020, 07:27:40 AM
Anyone else see in the stats that blood type A is more susceptible than type O to this?

Not sure how solid that is or if just a direct relationship to the # of A vs O in the world but I've heard this be said by several people on TV thus far.

Similar to how the death rate seems higher in men than women - not certain what else plays into that but all interesting stuff to keep an eye on.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 03, 2020, 08:03:26 AM
Anyone else see in the stats that blood type A is more susceptible than type O to this?

Not sure how solid that is or if just a direct relationship to the # of A vs O in the world but I've heard this be said by several people on TV thus far.

Similar to how the death rate seems higher in men than women - not certain what else plays into that but all interesting stuff to keep an eye on.

The data I'm looking at, so far, is not statistically relevant in terms of blood type "advantages".  The problem here, again, is one of sample, though.  We KNOW we aren't testing everyone....and the data I have is only for those admitted to the institution I work for.  So, even having said it's not statistically relevant right now....we might not know the answer to this question for months or years, really.

For us, the rate of admission to our hospital is nearly the same as "O vs A" blood types in the wild.  It SLIGHTLY favors A (even taking into consideration distribution of the two blood types) right now, but not in a statistically significant way.

In terms of men vs women...yes.  BUT, interesting fact: That's true with the flu, as well. Males typically have a higher rate of comorbidities than females do, and that is especially true of respiratory and cardio-pulmonary comorbidites. That means anything that attacks the respiratory system is going to hit men harder, generally. Someone will eventually write a good paper on this, in relation to COVID-19, but the popular opinion right now is that's likely why (or at least partially why) we're seeing a 65/35 split on mortalities favoring men.

Infection rates seem about equal, along population distributions.  There are some cultural and societal factors that skew things a bit more toward men, but we've not seen a DRASTIC difference in terms of admission rates so far.

All that being said, we have a LONG way to go and a LOT more data will come in before we're done.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 03, 2020, 08:05:08 AM
Anyone else see in the stats that blood type A is more susceptible than type O to this?

Not sure how solid that is or if just a direct relationship to the # of A vs O in the world but I've heard this be said by several people on TV thus far.

Similar to how the death rate seems higher in men than women - not certain what else plays into that but all interesting stuff to keep an eye on.

I saw that reported a couple of weeks ago, there really is so much we still dont know about this thing.

Would be nice if the country that it came from & experienced it all first would be better about sharing their info and be more forthcoming about what they know about the virus to the world to help humanity out. But the communist Chinese govt sees this as more an advantage to them as they are on the other side of the curve.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 03, 2020, 09:19:34 AM
All good points

Was just sharing something that I have heard from multiple sources on tv - sometimes when there's smoke, there's fire

Pilferk - it is also known that O is more common, especially in USA, than A - so if you're seeing even a slight increase in A wherever you are - that does possibly say something as well.

As for the death rate - I think it's just that men abuse their bodies more - with the booze and smoking and drugs - making them more of a target for an evil virus looking to attack - but that is 100% just my opinion - which medically speaking is about as useful as a shit flavored loli-pop.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 03, 2020, 11:19:26 AM

Pilferk - it is also known that O is more common, especially in USA, than A - so if you're seeing even a slight increase in A wherever you are - that does possibly say something as well.


"(even taking into consideration distribution of the two blood types)".

So, per that distribution, we are seeing a very slight, could be an anomoly, not statistically significant higher number of A cases.

I'm going to use gross numbers here.  We get more granular with the analysis, but I can't really share that level of detail, easily, in this forum.

Assume the following distribution of blood types among the US population.  They're not exact (and not exactly what we use for our analytics) but they are close enough to make my point:

Type O (-/+): 50%
Type A (-/+) 33%
Type B (-/+) 12%
Type AB (-/+) 5%

We are seeing, in our admissions, a very SLIGHTLY higher number than the 33% of patients you would expect to come in with Type A blood types. And an equal "reduction" spread across the other blood types in proportion to their distributions.  Because O is the most common blood type...yes, that type is "repressed" more than the other two, but it's pretty proportionate.  And when you run it all through the statistical modeling, given our current n, it's not statistically significant.  You would think, if the A vs O thing were true, we'd see something more compelling.  We aren't...at least so far. Not in infection rates, not in acuity, and not in mortaility. At least not yet.

But we also know our n is not fully informed, because we are really only testing those that we pretty much know might be sick, and only basing the n on patients admitted to the institution.  It could be A's are more sucseptible to infection, but don't require hospitalization in increased numbers, and we're just not seeing more.  Or it could be something else, entirely.  I can only talk about the data WE are collecting.

When we FINALLY get all the data put together from across the world (and we will), maybe it will show something more.  Nobody really has that, yet.  Clinicians are working on caring for patients, and we're using our analytics to fuel that process.  At some point, some epidemiologist, with an ID specialty, is going to do that, somewhere, and we'll have more informed data.  


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 03, 2020, 01:35:54 PM

Pilferk - it is also known that O is more common, especially in USA, than A - so if you're seeing even a slight increase in A wherever you are - that does possibly say something as well.


"(even taking into consideration distribution of the two blood types)".

So, per that distribution, we are seeing a very slight, could be an anomoly, not statistically significant higher number of A cases.

I'm going to use gross numbers here.  We get more granular with the analysis, but I can't really share that level of detail, easily, in this forum.

Assume the following distribution of blood types among the US population.  They're not exact (and not exactly what we use for our analytics) but they are close enough to make my point:

Type O (-/+): 50%
Type A (-/+) 33%
Type B (-/+) 12%
Type AB (-/+) 5%

We are seeing, in our admissions, a very SLIGHTLY higher number than the 33% of patients you would expect to come in with Type A blood types. And an equal "reduction" spread across the other blood types in proportion to their distributions.  Because O is the most common blood type...yes, that type is "repressed" more than the other two, but it's pretty proportionate.  And when you run it all through the statistical modeling, given our current n, it's not statistically significant.  You would think, if the A vs O thing were true, we'd see something more compelling.  We aren't...at least so far. Not in infection rates, not in acuity, and not in mortaility. At least not yet.

But we also know our n is not fully informed, because we are really only testing those that we pretty much know might be sick, and only basing the n on patients admitted to the institution.  It could be A's are more sucseptible to infection, but don't require hospitalization in increased numbers, and we're just not seeing more.  Or it could be something else, entirely.  I can only talk about the data WE are collecting.

When we FINALLY get all the data put together from across the world (and we will), maybe it will show something more.  Nobody really has that, yet.  Clinicians are working on caring for patients, and we're using our analytics to fuel that process.  At some point, some epidemiologist, with an ID specialty, is going to do that, somewhere, and we'll have more informed data.  

Fair enough sir - thank you


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 03, 2020, 10:59:45 PM
My whole state is going into lock down starting Monday.  I don't mind being stuck at home.  When I was working I wanted to be here.  :D  It amazes me how many times I think about running to the store though for all those little things I wanted to do at home.  Apparently everybody is ordering through Amazon.  Those trucks are on my street all day long.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 04, 2020, 01:25:21 PM
My whole state is going into lock down starting Monday.  I don't mind being stuck at home.  When I was working I wanted to be here.  :D  It amazes me how many times I think about running to the store though for all those little things I wanted to do at home.  Apparently everybody is ordering through Amazon.  Those trucks are on my street all day long.

Yeah getting what you need from Amazon fresh is best impossible. They are out of essential things, and ever if they weren't fiddling getting a delivery time available.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 06, 2020, 04:38:41 PM
Tigers in NY have it?  :-\


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 06, 2020, 05:30:52 PM
Tigers in NY have it?  :-\

Yep

How about this order: Hey Chuck, go swab that tiger  ???


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 06, 2020, 06:11:56 PM
I wonder how they test them without getting mauled.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 06, 2020, 10:27:35 PM
I wonder how they test them without getting mauled.

Put them to sleep.  Question is how did they get it?  Did someone touch their food?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 06, 2020, 11:26:16 PM
They just said on the news those stimulus checks we are getting gets subtracted from next year's tax return.  Is that right?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 07, 2020, 12:12:38 AM
They just said on the news those stimulus checks we are getting gets subtracted from next year's tax return.  Is that right?

It depends on your income bracket. Under 75k a year no.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 07, 2020, 12:13:47 AM
They just said on the news those stimulus checks we are getting gets subtracted from next year's tax return.  Is that right?

I want to know that as well. I've got 3 cats and 2 dogs. I have enough worrying about me and my family getting it.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 07, 2020, 09:14:25 AM
Granted the info is sketchy either way & dont know of anything to back this up, but Ive heard that it can be transmitted to cats but not back to humans ( unless you eat them)


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 07, 2020, 01:36:17 PM
Granted the info is sketchy either way & dont know of anything to back this up, but Ive heard that it can be transmitted to cats but not back to humans ( unless you eat them)

Yeah let's not do that.   :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 07, 2020, 02:32:03 PM
Granted the info is sketchy either way & dont know of anything to back this up, but Ive heard that it can be transmitted to cats but not back to humans ( unless you eat them)

Yeah let's not do that.   :hihi:

C'mon now - if you don't think you've eaten a little cat in your take out food now and then - you should just accept it and roll with it - add a little soy sauce and hot mustard - it's all good  baby


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 07, 2020, 03:34:36 PM
Granted the info is sketchy either way & dont know of anything to back this up, but Ive heard that it can be transmitted to cats but not back to humans ( unless you eat them)

If they come into direct contact with your fecal matter.....there is a very low risk chance they (felines, not canines) can contract it.

But not via the typical droplet methods. Or at least thats what we have seen so far.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 07, 2020, 04:20:43 PM
Granted the info is sketchy either way & dont know of anything to back this up, but Ive heard that it can be transmitted to cats but not back to humans ( unless you eat them)

Yeah let's not do that.   :hihi:

C'mon now - if you don't think you've eaten a little cat in your take out food now and then - you should just accept it and roll with it - add a little soy sauce and hot mustard - it's all good  baby

Lol


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 07, 2020, 11:40:05 PM
That's a nice perk.  With so many people off the roads accidents have went down so my car insurance company is giving me a rebate.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 08, 2020, 07:26:07 AM
That's a nice perk.  With so many people off the roads accidents have went down so my car insurance company is giving me a rebate.
Yeah, I'm not sure how it is in your area but in mine there's barely anyone out. I had a doctor appt Monday at 8 and at that time usually there's cars everywhere. There wasn't anymore then 3 it 4 on the same road at any time. It's kinda creepy seeing everything closed. Our state doesn't actually even have a official start at home order.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 08, 2020, 08:16:08 AM
Granted the info is sketchy either way & dont know of anything to back this up, but Ive heard that it can be transmitted to cats but not back to humans ( unless you eat them)

Yeah let's not do that.   :hihi:

C'mon now - if you don't think you've eaten a little cat in your take out food now and then - you should just accept it and roll with it - add a little soy sauce and hot mustard - it's all good  baby

I'm sure I have, but Ive stayed away from the Chinese buffet since this whole thing has started.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 08, 2020, 08:19:51 AM
Speaking of China...

The handshake says it all:

World health Organisation refuses to name staff who blocked early COVID-19 travel bans

The World Health Organisation has refused to release the names of doctors who blocked an early bid to declare coronavirus a global health emergency.

A Sky News Australia investigation has revealed a group of WHO doctors debated whether to declare the deadly coronavirus global emergency in late January but those who wanted to implement strict travel restrictions were outvoted and instead, the body released a glowing statement praising China, followed by a recommendation for countries not to ban travel to China.

“The Committee does not recommend any travel or trade restriction based on the current information available,” the WHO wrote on January 30 at a time when confirmed cases had already reached 12,167 in China and the virus had killed 170 people.

Two days prior to that meeting in Geneva, WHO general manager Tedros Adhanom was photographed happily shaking hands with China’s leader Xi Jinping.

Sky News asked WHO to provide details of which doctors voted to block an emergency declaration from being declared but the organisation declined citing privacy concerns.

“As for your question on voting at the EC: members are independent experts and rules of procedure do not allow us to disclose that,” WHO spokesman Tarik Jašarević told Sky News.

“Important to note that what happened between two meetings was the evidence of human to human transmission outside China.”

The WHO maintained that on January 30 the emergency declaration was blocked because it did not yet have evidence of human to human transmission despite having full knowledge 12,167 had been infected through human to human contact.

The most troubling aspect of the crisis is the language the WHO adopted about in official health alerts, including the way it continued to praise China after being forced to declare the health emergency.

“The Committee emphasised that the declaration of a Public Health Emergency of International Concern should be seen in the spirit of support and appreciation for China, its people, and the actions China has taken on the frontlines of this outbreak, with transparency, and, it is to be hoped, with success,” WHO doctors said.

Sky News revealed last week in an exclusive interview with South China Morning Post news editor Josephine Ma that China buried hundreds of cases in late 2019, delaying global warnings and allowing the spread of the virus to leak into other countries.

That interview has been viewed by millions of people around the world and Mr Adhanom is facing calls to resign for his role in the bungle.

US President Donald Trump has also today called for the body to be defunded and formally investigated for whether ties to China influenced the decision not to early declare travel bans.

The WHO went as far as to criticise countries such as the US for banning travel to China.

Mr Trump called for an investigation into the body which has been widely condemned for praising China’s response to the coronavirus despite the fact the country covered up hundreds of cases in 2019.

The totalitarian regime also locked up doctors who issued early warnings of the coronavirus and continues to lie about case and death figures, according to Chinese journalists.

The WHO has also come under fire for refusing a trainwreck interview where its senior health official awkwardly dodged questions about Taiwan, an independent country China regards as a rebel region which must be reunited with the mainland.

Dr Bruce Aylward was asked if the WHO would reconsider Taiwan’s membership and he pretended he couldn’t hear the question.

When the interview repeated herself the doctor cut her off and asked to move on.

The interviewer refused to move on and the doctor ended the Skype call.

The exchange has been condemned as evidence the WHO is heavily influenced by China.

In Australia, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has indicated his frustration with the WHO suggesting they should be forcing China to shut down the dangerous exotic animal markets which have reopened despite supposedly being the source of the virus.




https://www.skynews.com.au/details/5e8d196323eec60017f0ee31?fbclid=IwAR3OFP3tEK63Ws3MsDSmHIMMBE0ZoI6tDTTXfiPe5K7MS_F_VZUvmzXsdOA (https://www.skynews.com.au/details/5e8d196323eec60017f0ee31?fbclid=IwAR3OFP3tEK63Ws3MsDSmHIMMBE0ZoI6tDTTXfiPe5K7MS_F_VZUvmzXsdOA)


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on April 08, 2020, 10:51:20 AM
Very interesting. We're being told not to blame China here in the US but there is mounting evidence that their cover up and misinformation about this virus helped stifle some of the alarm we should have had earlier.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 08, 2020, 01:28:44 PM
There's certainly plenty of blame to go around.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 08, 2020, 02:45:01 PM
First goal is to get through this - everywhere
After the dust clears I strongly believe China is going to be crushed by the international community inquiries and will end up paying a big price - financially or whatever
The world cannot stand for their games on this one or the next one.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 08, 2020, 03:48:55 PM
Very interesting. We're being told not to blame China here in the US but there is mounting evidence that their cover up and misinformation about this virus helped stifle some of the alarm we should have had earlier.

They definitely shoulder some of the blame.

Our intelligence sources briefed Trump on covid, as a threat, in mid-December, and again in early January (and onging from there).

So whatever cover up and misinformation they engaged in, it wasn't SUPER effective given the first case there was November 17th. Most of the worlds leadership knew about this before the calendar flipped to 2020.

As tim said: Plenty of blame to go around.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 08, 2020, 03:54:00 PM
First goal is to get through this - everywhere
After the dust clears I strongly believe China is going to be crushed by the international community inquiries and will end up paying a big price - financially or whatever
The world cannot stand for their games on this one or the next one.

Agreed, to some extent.

We can sort out who has what amount of blame and how to deal with them once we're seeing no (or few) new cases in the US.

But it's important we hold OUR elected officials accountable NOW.  Because they need to be pressured into doing whats right, or local authorities have to compensate for poor/delayed federal responses.

Those kinds of lessons learned can't be ignored just for the sake of getting people through this, because if you do, it's likely more people will die.

The CDC seems to have FINALLY started to get its shit together. The administration still needs some work. Less worry about daily briefing ratings and more worry about marshalling resources to those effected, from patients to small businesses, would be nice.

This isn't a political fight, though I know Trump supporters can't grasp that.  It's a fight for peoples lives, and for using good data and logistics to solve the problem. 

I've been VERY encouraged by what I see OUTSIDE the political theater: People coming together to solve problems...be they medical, logistical, or otherwise...in unique and creative ways.  This is what we are good at!


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 08, 2020, 05:50:51 PM
First goal is to get through this - everywhere
After the dust clears I strongly believe China is going to be crushed by the international community inquiries and will end up paying a big price - financially or whatever
The world cannot stand for their games on this one or the next one.

Agreed, to some extent.

We can sort out who has what amount of blame and how to deal with them once we're seeing no (or few) new cases in the US.

But it's important we hold OUR elected officials accountable NOW.  Because they need to be pressured into doing whats right, or local authorities have to compensate for poor/delayed federal responses.

Those kinds of lessons learned can't be ignored just for the sake of getting people through this, because if you do, it's likely more people will die.

The CDC seems to have FINALLY started to get its shit together. The administration still needs some work. Less worry about daily briefing ratings and more worry about marshalling resources to those effected, from patients to small businesses, would be nice.

This isn't a political fight, though I know Trump supporters can't grasp that.  It's a fight for peoples lives, and for using good data and logistics to solve the problem.  

I've been VERY encouraged by what I see OUTSIDE the political theater: People coming together to solve problems...be they medical, logistical, or otherwise...in unique and creative ways.  This is what we are good at!

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C'mon now - it's not that hard to say it - you'll feel better

Yes - our clunkheads in charge at the moment made it worse but the USA and every other nation was a VICTIM of this nonsense - not the cause

That was my point


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 08, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
First goal is to get through this - everywhere
After the dust clears I strongly believe China is going to be crushed by the international community inquiries and will end up paying a big price - financially or whatever
The world cannot stand for their games on this one or the next one.

Agreed, to some extent.

We can sort out who has what amount of blame and how to deal with them once we're seeing no (or few) new cases in the US.

But it's important we hold OUR elected officials accountable NOW.  Because they need to be pressured into doing whats right, or local authorities have to compensate for poor/delayed federal responses.

Those kinds of lessons learned can't be ignored just for the sake of getting people through this, because if you do, it's likely more people will die.

The CDC seems to have FINALLY started to get its shit together. The administration still needs some work. Less worry about daily briefing ratings and more worry about marshalling resources to those effected, from patients to small businesses, would be nice.

This isn't a political fight, though I know Trump supporters can't grasp that.  It's a fight for peoples lives, and for using good data and logistics to solve the problem.  

I've been VERY encouraged by what I see OUTSIDE the political theater: People coming together to solve problems...be they medical, logistical, or otherwise...in unique and creative ways.  This is what we are good at!

Yeah good luck with that when Trump today said he'd look into this tiger king bullshit taking over social media. Because this is the time for that.  ::)

There were glimmers of hope though that the mitigation is starting to work. The models are now showing way less loss of life. Not that 60k dead is anything to celebrate, but compared to initial 100 to 240k estimates. We just can't let Trump and state and local governments take their foot of the gas.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 09, 2020, 06:37:18 AM
Definitely

It's working

Keep this as is


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 09, 2020, 07:06:20 AM
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C'mon now - it's not that hard to say it - you'll feel better

Yes - our clunkheads in charge at the moment made it worse but the USA and every other nation was a VICTIM of this nonsense - not the cause

That was my point


I have. Twice. In two successive posts.

My point is we can deal with China (and Russia, to a lesser extent, for some of the shady business practices they've engaged in while the world is in crisis) when people aren't dying.

We have to deal with some of the shit at home, NOW, to keep MORE people from dying.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 09, 2020, 08:07:07 AM
And my post said clearly the same thing: Get through this first
Then - it's operation "China Accountability"



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 09, 2020, 11:34:27 PM
I'm not really into the blame game.  You can look back and see where different choices could have been made but who really thought it would come to this?  Every where is not taking precautions even though we now know what's coming.

I'm wearing a mask in public but I was the only one in the drug store wearing it.  The place where sick people are likely to be.  The six foot marks where there for the line up but there wasn't 2 feet between me and the maskless clerk.  I'm trying not to freak everytime my daughter picks up an extra shift at the hospital.  They say we have two to three weeks before the peak here.

All the bad shit set aside, doing pretty well here.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 10, 2020, 03:56:07 AM
We haven't hit our peak here in Texas yet either. Each day cases are going up several hundred some days its 1k  a day.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 10, 2020, 03:07:13 PM
I think Florida is also a late bloomer as far as when we will hit the top of the curve.  It's amazing how much harder of a hit NYC has taken compared to the rest of the country.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 10, 2020, 03:39:54 PM
Diversified culture, subways massive mass transportation, tourist destination - it's kind of the perfect storm for something like this unfortunately.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 10, 2020, 10:01:39 PM
Diversified culture, subways massive mass transportation, tourist destination - it's kind of the perfect storm for something like this unfortunately.
Yep that sums it up. There's no telling how many came in with the virus from other countries, or how many were visiting other countries and brought it back home. It's also a very dense population. It was a disaster waiting to happen. On the bright side if there is one it's the curve is flattening. Deaths are still going up wake but hospitalization down, ICU down, intubations were negative gain in the last 24 hours. People recovering way up. So some light at the end of the tunnel.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 10, 2020, 10:04:09 PM
I think Florida is also a late bloomer as far as when we will hit the top of the curve.  It's amazing how much harder of a hit NYC has taken compared to the rest of the country.

Yeah it is heartbreaking. It's really hitting home for me. I may not live there anymore but I was born there. I'll always consider myself a New Yorker. I still have large amounts of family and friends there in Long island.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 11, 2020, 07:38:50 AM
Diversified culture, subways massive mass transportation, tourist destination - it's kind of the perfect storm for something like this unfortunately.

AND cooler temperatures, packed in living spaces/population density, a overall culture that relies, a LOT, on external food prep or daily food acquisition.  Essentially, people in NYC probably have more social contact on a daily basis than anyone else in the country.  As you said: Just the perfect storm.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 11, 2020, 07:40:02 AM
I think Florida is also a late bloomer as far as when we will hit the top of the curve.  It's amazing how much harder of a hit NYC has taken compared to the rest of the country.

The hot weather states have fared a LITTLE bit better in this, so far.  I'm hoping that trend continues!


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on April 11, 2020, 11:33:40 AM
I think Florida is also a late bloomer as far as when we will hit the top of the curve.  It's amazing how much harder of a hit NYC has taken compared to the rest of the country.

The hot weather states have fared a LITTLE bit better in this, so far.  I'm hoping that trend continues!

Are you saying that the hotter, more humid weather stifles the spread of the virus?  I hope there is truth to that although I've heard varying things. Warmer weather is around the corner for the entire country.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 11, 2020, 11:49:23 AM
I think Florida is also a late bloomer as far as when we will hit the top of the curve.  It's amazing how much harder of a hit NYC has taken compared to the rest of the country.

The hot weather states have fared a LITTLE bit better in this, so far.  I'm hoping that trend continues!

Are you saying that the hotter, more humid weather stifles the spread of the virus?  I hope there is truth to that although I've heard varying things. Warmer weather is around the corner for the entire country.

Nothing conclusive because this is a new animal but if you listen to the top experts everywhere - while not committing to this theory - most seem to lean towards the theory that yes - the sun and heat will kill some of this dirty virus


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Mysteron on April 11, 2020, 03:29:04 PM
More people died in the first quarter last year (and for twelve out of thirteen weeks) than this year in the UK if you look at the general mortality stats, to the end of March


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 11, 2020, 06:17:20 PM
I'm starting to get freaky about people getting too close to me and how long they are there.  :nervous:  Anything anybody else touches, I'm letting sit there for a few days. 

A  healthy sense of paranoia will keep you alive.  I think I'm crossing the healthy sense line though.  :)


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 12, 2020, 12:06:00 AM
I think Florida is also a late bloomer as far as when we will hit the top of the curve.  It's amazing how much harder of a hit NYC has taken compared to the rest of the country.

The hot weather states have fared a LITTLE bit better in this, so far.  I'm hoping that trend continues!

Are you saying that the hotter, more humid weather stifles the spread of the virus?  I hope there is truth to that although I've heard varying things. Warmer weather is around the corner for the entire country.

Nothing conclusive because this is a new animal but if you listen to the top experts everywhere - while not committing to this theory - most seem to lean towards the theory that yes - the sun and heat will kill some of this dirty virus

Exactly, they basically say if this acts like every other respiratory virus this will be true, but they caution this is new and we just don't only enough yet. I'm hoping this is the case. We will be able to get ahead of it for the late fall/winter then. By then we'll have some treatments. We will have antibody tests and better diagnostic tests. There's also a chance for a vaccine. I read an article this morning that Oxford is working on a very promising vaccine that they could have ready by September. It's still early obviously. They see starting trial in 2 weeks. They say the overall probability it'll work is 80%.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 12, 2020, 02:00:20 AM
I think Florida is also a late bloomer as far as when we will hit the top of the curve.  It's amazing how much harder of a hit NYC has taken compared to the rest of the country.

The hot weather states have fared a LITTLE bit better in this, so far.  I'm hoping that trend continues!

Are you saying that the hotter, more humid weather stifles the spread of the virus?  I hope there is truth to that although I've heard varying things. Warmer weather is around the corner for the entire country.

Nothing conclusive because this is a new animal but if you listen to the top experts everywhere - while not committing to this theory - most seem to lean towards the theory that yes - the sun and heat will kill some of this dirty virus

Exactly, they basically say if this acts like every other respiratory virus this will be true, but they caution this is new and we just don't only enough yet. I'm hoping this is the case. We will be able to get ahead of it for the late fall/winter then. By then we'll have some treatments. We will have antibody tests and better diagnostic tests. There's also a chance for a vaccine. I read an article this morning that Oxford is working on a very promising vaccine that they could have ready by September. It's still early obviously. They see starting trial in 2 weeks. They say the overall probability it'll work is 80%.

The world is working on a vaccine.  It's going to be hard to go forward without one.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 12, 2020, 07:37:10 AM
I think Florida is also a late bloomer as far as when we will hit the top of the curve.  It's amazing how much harder of a hit NYC has taken compared to the rest of the country.

The hot weather states have fared a LITTLE bit better in this, so far.  I'm hoping that trend continues!

Are you saying that the hotter, more humid weather stifles the spread of the virus?  I hope there is truth to that although I've heard varying things. Warmer weather is around the corner for the entire country.

Nothing conclusive because this is a new animal but if you listen to the top experts everywhere - while not committing to this theory - most seem to lean towards the theory that yes - the sun and heat will kill some of this dirty virus

Exactly, they basically say if this acts like every other respiratory virus this will be true, but they caution this is new and we just don't only enough yet. I'm hoping this is the case. We will be able to get ahead of it for the late fall/winter then. By then we'll have some treatments. We will have antibody tests and better diagnostic tests. There's also a chance for a vaccine. I read an article this morning that Oxford is working on a very promising vaccine that they could have ready by September. It's still early obviously. They see starting trial in 2 weeks. They say the overall probability it'll work is 80%.

The world is working on a vaccine.  It's going to be hard to go forward without one.

We're gonna have to though. We can't realistically shutdown the world did another 1 to 2 years. Even Dr Fauci said a degree of real normalcy should be able to return in November. We may not have a working vaccine but we'll have treatments and antibody tests.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 12, 2020, 10:16:45 AM
Saw a local report on how the kids are doing with e learning.  They like it.  The teacher reported surprising results.  One was how self reflective some of the kids have become.

There is going to be some good stuff that comes out of this.  We got so busy, this slowed everybody down.  I'm wondering if there will be a shift in how everybody has been living.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 12, 2020, 11:21:57 AM
Saw a local report on how the kids are doing with e learning.  They like it.  The teacher reported surprising results.  One was how self reflective some of the kids have become.

There is going to be some good stuff that comes out of this.  We got so busy, this slowed everybody down.  I'm wondering if there will be a shift in how everybody has been living.
Totally agree, as awful as this is going to be for awhile in the end i think we come out better.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 12, 2020, 02:12:02 PM
Saw a local report on how the kids are doing with e learning.  They like it.  The teacher reported surprising results.  One was how self reflective some of the kids have become.

There is going to be some good stuff that comes out of this.  We got so busy, this slowed everybody down.  I'm wondering if there will be a shift in how everybody has been living.
Totally agree, as awful as this is going to be for awhile in the end i think we come out better.

I keep wondering what history will say about this time.  It has to be a new beginning, for what I don't know.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 12, 2020, 03:21:07 PM
Are you saying that the hotter, more humid weather stifles the spread of the virus?  I hope there is truth to that although I've heard varying things. Warmer weather is around the corner for the entire country.

I'm not saying there is a correlation.  I'm just pointing to the data.  The warmer weather states haven't seen the same growth patterns/curves that the colder weather states have.  Why that is....we don't know yet.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 12, 2020, 03:23:56 PM
More people died in the first quarter last year (and for twelve out of thirteen weeks) than this year in the UK if you look at the general mortality stats, to the end of March

So, interesting bid of anecdotal information:

We have seen a DRASTIC drop in trauma mortalities over the past 30 days or so.

People staying mostly close to home I would guess.  But drastic drops in Motor vehicle mortalities, GSW mortalities, and even fall mortalities.

I'd guess SOME of the mortality drop is due to people engaging in less risky behavior, etc.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Mysteron on April 12, 2020, 03:50:51 PM
More people died in the first quarter last year (and for twelve out of thirteen weeks) than this year in the UK if you look at the general mortality stats, to the end of March

So, interesting bid of anecdotal information:

We have seen a DRASTIC drop in trauma mortalities over the past 30 days or so.

People staying mostly close to home I would guess.  But drastic drops in Motor vehicle mortalities, GSW mortalities, and even fall mortalities.

I'd guess SOME of the mortality drop is due to people engaging in less risky behavior, etc.

I think this 'pandemic' is about the rush of cases into hospitals, not about the lethality of the virus. Deaths are 3000 lower this year just now, it'll spike up over the next two months, but watch next winter when deaths will be lower because a lot of the people who would have died are already gone. I think UK deaths will be about 30k, but it'll balance out over the year beyond next winter.

There's a lot of misreporting and targeted stories to control the masses. People with norovirus symptoms over the past two months may also have had it.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 12, 2020, 06:22:52 PM
More people died in the first quarter last year (and for twelve out of thirteen weeks) than this year in the UK if you look at the general mortality stats, to the end of March

So, interesting bid of anecdotal information:

We have seen a DRASTIC drop in trauma mortalities over the past 30 days or so.

People staying mostly close to home I would guess.  But drastic drops in Motor vehicle mortalities, GSW mortalities, and even fall mortalities.

I'd guess SOME of the mortality drop is due to people engaging in less risky behavior, etc.

Yes - sometimes it's just best to listen to the smartest people from day one
No matter how it's spun or blamed - the one constant has been...well..constant
They knew this thing could not live to its fullest if humans did the unthinkable - and just stayed home
IT IS WORKING


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 13, 2020, 09:07:05 AM
Makes you wonder how this will change day to day life.

I mean, will more people start working from home in the future because now they've realized they can?

Will more meetings be done via video conference instead of in person?

Will take out food be more popular then before? Will people continue getting groceries delivered instead of going to the supermarket themselves etc etc etc?


And will people keep washing their hands and keeping their distance....





/jarmo






Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: AxlsMainMan on April 13, 2020, 09:28:16 AM
Trump retweeted that Fauci should be fired.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on April 13, 2020, 09:35:23 AM
Are you saying that the hotter, more humid weather stifles the spread of the virus?  I hope there is truth to that although I've heard varying things. Warmer weather is around the corner for the entire country.

I'm not saying there is a correlation.  I'm just pointing to the data.  The warmer weather states haven't seen the same growth patterns/curves that the colder weather states have.  Why that is....we don't know yet.

Some that may have to do with where the entry points were early. Washington state and NYC are northern states with cooler weather.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 13, 2020, 10:39:08 AM
Trump retweeted that Fauci should be fired.

I saw that too and if this happens the cabinet needs to gather and vote to remove this psycho from office.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 13, 2020, 11:26:04 AM
He has no actual authority to fire him. He doesn't work for the president. He can push him aside though. We all know Trump is allergic to truth and Dr Fauci gives you the blunt truth.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on April 13, 2020, 11:29:54 AM
If anything, Trump should step to the side and let Fauci be the face of this but his ego and idiocy won't allow that.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 13, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
Yep it should only be Dr Fauci and Dr Birx. Everyone else STFU. I'm also sick of this buffoon. Now he says he has the right to order governor's open the states, he doesn't, but when it comes to needed tests and supplies he goes that's that states problems. So which fucking is it? What it comes down to is he will take no blame for anything.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 13, 2020, 12:28:03 PM
If anything, Trump should step to the side and let Fauci be the face of this but his ego and idiocy won't allow that.

100%


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 13, 2020, 10:09:13 PM
Well today's covid-19 briefing and I use the term loosely hit an all new low.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Axl's Favorite Mechanical Bull on April 14, 2020, 01:35:26 AM
Makes you wonder how this will change day to day life.

I mean, will more people start working from home in the future because now they've realized they can?

Will more meetings be done via video conference instead of in person?

Will take out food be more popular then before? Will people continue getting groceries delivered instead of going to the supermarket themselves etc etc etc?


And will people keep washing their hands and keeping their distance....





/jarmo






I certainly hope some of these changes become permanent, from an environmental standpoint.  We have clean air in LA and no traffic.  It's wonderful.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Axl's Favorite Mechanical Bull on April 14, 2020, 01:35:58 AM
Well today's covid-19 briefing and I use the term loosely hit an all new low.

Tomorrow is a new day.



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 14, 2020, 02:17:18 AM
Well today's covid-19 briefing and I use the term loosely hit an all new low.

It has reached insanity levels

If you want to fight the media - call a separate time and place - not here

Watching the rest of the people sit or stand there for two hours while this buffoon tries to correct every bad or dishonest thing said about him is painful.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Mysteron on April 14, 2020, 06:45:30 AM
Makes you wonder how this will change day to day life.

I mean, will more people start working from home in the future because now they've realized they can?

Will more meetings be done via video conference instead of in person?

Will take out food be more popular then before? Will people continue getting groceries delivered instead of going to the supermarket themselves etc etc etc?


And will people keep washing their hands and keeping their distance....





/jarmo






I certainly hope some of these changes become permanent, from an environmental standpoint.  We have clean air in LA and no traffic.  It's wonderful.

I hope so too. A lot of companies could save money by allowing staff to work from home where possible, and like you said, it means less cars on the road.

The only problem, I guess, is people becoming isolated and not going out.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 14, 2020, 07:09:07 AM
Well today's covid-19 briefing and I use the term loosely hit an all new low.

It's not useful.  It's not helpful. If you want to pick fights with the press, hold a separate event for that.  Nobody will air it live, but...hey...at least he can air his grievances.

Ugh.....


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 14, 2020, 08:55:23 AM
Pence needs to run these briefings, maybe Trump can show up once a week. That would be the way to do it.

You can say what you want about George W. Bush, but in the face of an emergency ( 9/11) he brought the country together. At least for a little while. We need more of that from Trump.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on April 14, 2020, 09:37:54 AM
Pence needs to run these briefings, maybe Trump can show up once a week. That would be the way to do it.

You can say what you want about George W. Bush, but in the face of an emergency ( 9/11) he brought the country together. At least for a little while. We need more of that from Trump.

He could learn a lot from George W. Bush.  His response in the days after 9/11 got him elected to a 2nd term.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 14, 2020, 10:22:40 AM
Pence needs to run these briefings, maybe Trump can show up once a week. That would be the way to do it.

You can say what you want about George W. Bush, but in the face of an emergency ( 9/11) he brought the country together. At least for a little while. We need more of that from Trump.

Agreed

That is because despite his many flaws - George W Bush was a very decent man. Trump does not even have the ability to act like a decent man and he doubles down on his own God complex.

Take a look also at how Bush treated Obama from day one and to this day - mutual respect - peaceful transition of power and they are friends to this day.
Do you think Trump has any ability to accept defeat or be decent to Biden if he loses?
I certainly do not.



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 14, 2020, 11:58:02 AM
I mentioned that we have found "proning" to be an effective form of symptom treatment.  Here's a better explanation of the process:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-prone-positioning/index.html


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 14, 2020, 12:34:16 PM
Pence needs to run these briefings, maybe Trump can show up once a week. That would be the way to do it.

You can say what you want about George W. Bush, but in the face of an emergency ( 9/11) he brought the country together. At least for a little while. We need more of that from Trump.

Agreed

That is because despite his many flaws - George W Bush was a very decent man. Trump does not even have the ability to act like a decent man and he doubles down on his own God complex.

Take a look also at how Bush treated Obama from day one and to this day - mutual respect - peaceful transition of power and they are friends to this day.
Do you think Trump has any ability to accept defeat or be decent to Biden if he loses?
I certainly do not.



Bush refused to criticize Obama, but Obama had no problem blaming Bush when it was politically convenient and not all of it was deserved. 

Trump is not a humble man by any stretch. I think he does possess a skill set that is certainly different than previous Presidents & that has served him well when it comes to thinking outside the political box , but its a double edged sword.  He doesn't understand that less is more  when it comes to criticizing his detractors or exaggerating his accomplishments, etc .  We have another topic on here reserved for pointing out what we dont like about our current President so Ill leave it at that.

   


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 14, 2020, 01:04:03 PM
At least the news has started to take a more positive approach.  It was all doom and gloom for a while there.  I'm still limiting the amount of it I'm watching. 

We've been locked down for about a month here.  I've read every piece of written material in the house.  Miss my library.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 14, 2020, 01:58:11 PM
Here is some positive news. The FDA has approved a saliva only test.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 14, 2020, 02:04:15 PM
Pence needs to run these briefings, maybe Trump can show up once a week. That would be the way to do it.

You can say what you want about George W. Bush, but in the face of an emergency ( 9/11) he brought the country together. At least for a little while. We need more of that from Trump.

Agreed

That is because despite his many flaws - George W Bush was a very decent man. Trump does not even have the ability to act like a decent man and he doubles down on his own God complex.

Take a look also at how Bush treated Obama from day one and to this day - mutual respect - peaceful transition of power and they are friends to this day.
Do you think Trump has any ability to accept defeat or be decent to Biden if he loses?
I certainly do not.



Bush refused to criticize Obama, but Obama had no problem blaming Bush when it was politically convenient and not all of it was deserved. 

Trump is not a humble man by any stretch. I think he does possess a skill set that is certainly different than previous Presidents & that has served him well when it comes to thinking outside the political box , but its a double edged sword.  He doesn't understand that less is more  when it comes to criticizing his detractors or exaggerating his accomplishments, etc .  We have another topic on here reserved for pointing out what we dont like about our current President so Ill leave it at that.

   

Agreed, I'll just leave it with this, playing a propaganda video in attempt to prove he acted in February which failed during a briefing for this is abhorrent. He needs to too stop playing politics. He needs to start showing empathy and he needs to let the experts lead.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 14, 2020, 02:55:44 PM
Pence needs to run these briefings, maybe Trump can show up once a week. That would be the way to do it.

You can say what you want about George W. Bush, but in the face of an emergency ( 9/11) he brought the country together. At least for a little while. We need more of that from Trump.

Agreed

That is because despite his many flaws - George W Bush was a very decent man. Trump does not even have the ability to act like a decent man and he doubles down on his own God complex.

Take a look also at how Bush treated Obama from day one and to this day - mutual respect - peaceful transition of power and they are friends to this day.
Do you think Trump has any ability to accept defeat or be decent to Biden if he loses?
I certainly do not.



Bush refused to criticize Obama, but Obama had no problem blaming Bush when it was politically convenient and not all of it was deserved. 

Trump is not a humble man by any stretch. I think he does possess a skill set that is certainly different than previous Presidents & that has served him well when it comes to thinking outside the political box , but its a double edged sword.  He doesn't understand that less is more  when it comes to criticizing his detractors or exaggerating his accomplishments, etc .  We have another topic on here reserved for pointing out what we dont like about our current President so Ill leave it at that.

   

I think Bluto B hit the nail on the head
Trump is ...well...Trump
Dude ain't gonna change

The virus should be the story here
But Trump makes it so hard - because every piece of positive news he makes about his briliance
And every piece of bad news he deflects



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 15, 2020, 06:50:01 AM
Just a heads up:

The "Get my Payment" tool is up and active, as of this morning, on the IRS.gov site.  This lets you "track" your stimulus payment AND, if the IRS does not have your direct deposit info, I believe it lets you supply that information!

https://www.irs.gov/coronavirus/get-my-payment


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 15, 2020, 06:35:27 PM
We already got ours yesterday, people I know got them today.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 15, 2020, 07:30:37 PM
Got mine today.  I'm off to go support my local restaurant.  :D  So excited I get to leave the house.

You notice come about 3:30 all your friends start checking in?  Hey, I'm trying to nap here.  My social hour is later in the evening.

Total cluster fuck getting my food.  The little Mexican place didn't answer the phone.  Had to wait 45 minutes to pick up my order from Olive Garden and another 45 minutes once I got there.  I watched repeatedly as they messed up the orders.  They put the wrong order in my car and swapped it out when they brought back my soda.  They had two people with the same first name.  They did have on masks and gloves.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 15, 2020, 11:53:04 PM
Got mine today.  I'm off to go support my local restaurant.  :D  So excited I get to leave the house.

You notice come about 3:30 all your friends start checking in?  Hey, I'm trying to nap here.  My social hour is later in the evening.

Total cluster fuck getting my food.  The little Mexican place didn't answer the phone.  Had to wait 45 minutes to pick up my order from Olive Garden and another 45 minutes once I got there.  I watched repeatedly as they messed up the orders.  They put the wrong order in my car and swapped it out when they brought back my soda.  They had two people with the same first name.  They did have on masks and gloves.

Haha, who would've guessed a few months ago just getting out of the house for a bit would be something we look do forward to. A month ago my mom was complaining how much she hated driving and never got a day to just stay home. Now she can only go out when necessary and it's driving hey crazy lol.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on April 16, 2020, 06:19:45 AM
Got mine today.  I'm off to go support my local restaurant.  :D  So excited I get to leave the house.

You notice come about 3:30 all your friends start checking in?  Hey, I'm trying to nap here.  My social hour is later in the evening.

Total cluster fuck getting my food.  The little Mexican place didn't answer the phone.  Had to wait 45 minutes to pick up my order from Olive Garden and another 45 minutes once I got there.  I watched repeatedly as they messed up the orders.  They put the wrong order in my car and swapped it out when they brought back my soda.  They had two people with the same first name.  They did have on masks and gloves.

Haha, who would've guessed a few months ago just getting out of the house for a bit would be something we look do forward to. A month ago my mom was complaining how much she hated driving and never got a day to just stay home. Now she can only go out when necessary and it's driving hey crazy lol.

LOL.  What's funny is how many of us all responded the same way.

We loaded up the car, went for a ride around our area, and then stopped for take out (with almost an hour wait after we placed our order).  When we got to the take out place.....CRAZY BUSY.  And we were all respectful, kept our distance, and went in one at a time to get our food. ;)


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 16, 2020, 05:42:52 PM
Got mine today.  I'm off to go support my local restaurant.  :D  So excited I get to leave the house.

You notice come about 3:30 all your friends start checking in?  Hey, I'm trying to nap here.  My social hour is later in the evening.

Total cluster fuck getting my food.  The little Mexican place didn't answer the phone.  Had to wait 45 minutes to pick up my order from Olive Garden and another 45 minutes once I got there.  I watched repeatedly as they messed up the orders.  They put the wrong order in my car and swapped it out when they brought back my soda.  They had two people with the same first name.  They did have on masks and gloves.



Haha, who would've guessed a few months ago just getting out of the house for a bit would be something we look do forward to. A month ago my mom was complaining how much she hated driving and never got a day to just stay home. Now she can only go out when necessary and it's driving hey crazy lol.

LOL.  What's funny is how many of us all responded the same way.

We loaded up the car, went for a ride around our area, and then stopped for take out (with almost an hour wait after we placed our order).  When we got to the take out place.....CRAZY BUSY.  And we were all respectful, kept our distance, and went in one at a time to get our food. ;)

The Sunday family afternoon drive is about to make a come back.  :D


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: sandman on April 17, 2020, 11:37:50 AM
I hope everyone is staying safe. I hope Senator B and everyone else directly impacted financially or otherwise are able to get through this.

so ridiculous that many middle class are getting checks when they are in excellent financial shape and this pandemic is not negatively impacting them. I think many (most?) are in better financial shape because we are not blowing money going out. although there sure as hell are not many sales at the supermarkets! my food bill has gone up a bit.

but hopefully people that can afford it take this money and put it into local businesses. and tip everyone out there working!!! and tip well - grocery store workers, restaruants, coffee shops, etc.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 17, 2020, 12:07:06 PM
I hope everyone is staying safe. I hope Senator B and everyone else directly impacted financially or otherwise are able to get through this.

so ridiculous that many middle class are getting checks when they are in excellent financial shape and this pandemic is not negatively impacting them. I think many (most?) are in better financial shape because we are not blowing money going out. although there sure as hell are not many sales at the supermarkets! my food bill has gone up a bit.

but hopefully people that can afford it take this money and put it into local businesses. and tip everyone out there working!!! and tip well - grocery store workers, restaruants, coffee shops, etc.

Yeah, I don't think the middle class needed that money either.  Most of them are still working from home.  I do like what they did with unemployment.  But the middle class does carry a lot of debt because they do go out and spend their money.  Cut off their credit and they will be crying.

I have to give kudos to Amazon.  The perfect combination of the old Sears' mail order catalog and Ford's production line.  These guys kick ass everyday.

I'd like to put my money into my little local businesses but they closed.  The big chain stores are still open.  It's a ghost town out there.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 22, 2020, 08:29:27 AM
Looks like a bunch of people are already demanding things to get back to "normal"

They demand other people to risk their health so they can get haircuts and so on!





/jarmo



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 22, 2020, 08:35:52 AM
Looks like a bunch of people are already demanding things to get back to "normal"

They demand other people to risk their health so they can get haircuts and so on!





/jarmo



Slightly more complex,no?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 22, 2020, 08:55:44 AM
They want the lock down restrictions eased now.

Nothing complex about that.


The complexity is about whether or not it can be done now, or not.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: sandman on April 22, 2020, 01:26:05 PM
They want the lock down restrictions eased now.

Nothing complex about that.


The complexity is about whether or not it can be done now, or not.



/jarmo


actually it is far more complex. some people have starving children because they have no money due to not being able to work. it's easy to lump everyone into a single category and point your finger at them, but it doesn't make sense to do that. For those people dealing with major financial issues, they reach a point where its tough to put the greater good of others over the good of your kids.

of course there are people that want the country opened for more simplistic reasons. in a country of 300+ million, you get all types.

but at some point, the negative impact of shutting down the US economy becomes greater than the risk of the pandemic.

it's a balancing act that we have to manage for the foreseeable future. one that is very complex to say the least.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 22, 2020, 06:37:49 PM
There shouldn't be starving children, or adults, period. No matter whether or not there's a lock down and/or pandemic!

At the end of the day, it's always been a question about how much heath and a life is worth....

Plenty of people have lost family members who had to keep working during this pandemic.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 22, 2020, 11:08:13 PM
Yeah, they are freaking me out.  They want to allow business to go back to work May 4th.  The estimated peak is sometime this week. 


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: sandman on April 23, 2020, 09:07:16 AM
There shouldn't be starving children, or adults, period. No matter whether or not there's a lock down and/or pandemic!

At the end of the day, it's always been a question about how much heath and a life is worth....

Plenty of people have lost family members who had to keep working during this pandemic.




/jarmo


how are things in Sweden? sounds like you think the US has done a much better job at handling the pandemic.

no one has the perfect solution. there's risks in every approach. I do understand the argument for Sweden's approach, but damn, that's a risky one.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 23, 2020, 09:52:28 AM
 My county has a population of approx 600,000. There are a total  of 224  COVID-19 cases and 7 deaths, the social distancing measures have worked. But there are some people here that think they are going to die if they leave their house.  Lot of people living in fear.



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 23, 2020, 11:13:13 AM
how are things in Sweden? sounds like you think the US has done a much better job at handling the pandemic.

no one has the perfect solution. there's risks in every approach. I do understand the argument for Sweden's approach, but damn, that's a risky one.


Sweden has the highest number of cases and deaths in the Nordic countries. It's also the most open country of them all.

Shops, restaurants, gyms etc are open. There's no lock down here. People are recommended to work from home and stay away if they're feeling sick. Oh, and to wash their hands.



The US hasn't necessarily done a better job than Sweden. Both countries were slow to put measures in place. Some measures that have been taken in our neighboring countries still haven't been put in place here.




/jarmo



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 24, 2020, 12:45:46 AM
how are things in Sweden? sounds like you think the US has done a much better job at handling the pandemic.

no one has the perfect solution. there's risks in every approach. I do understand the argument for Sweden's approach, but damn, that's a risky one.


Sweden has the highest number of cases and deaths in the Nordic countries. It's also the most open country of them all.

Shops, restaurants, gyms etc are open. There's no lock down here. People are recommended to work from home and stay away if they're feeling sick. Oh, and to wash their hands.



The US hasn't necessarily done a better job than Sweden. Both countries were slow to put measures in place. Some measures that have been taken in our neighboring countries still haven't been put in place here.




/jarmo



That's a dangerous approach. I hope you don't end up like other European countries like Italy and Spain.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 24, 2020, 12:47:01 AM
So Trump's presser today  :nervous:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: AxlsMainMan on April 24, 2020, 02:35:01 AM
He’s just thinking outside the political box :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 24, 2020, 06:37:21 AM
He’s just thinking outside the political box :hihi:
That's an understatement lol.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 24, 2020, 07:02:48 AM
Bleach and UV light can be used to kill viruses. So why not inside the body! He's not stupid you know....

 :hihi:




/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 24, 2020, 08:05:32 AM
Bleach and UV light can be used to kill viruses. So why not inside the body! He's not stupid you know....

 :hihi:




/jarmo


We make jokes about his idiocy but the sad thing is people will actually try it, like the dumbasses who took fish tank cleaner. Lysol legit released a statement this morning saying DON'T do this.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: AxlsMainMan on April 24, 2020, 10:02:32 AM
I eagerly await Blutarsky and Sandman to report back on the success of Trump’s medical advice :rofl:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on April 24, 2020, 10:04:52 AM
I love how Trump brought up this idea to the doctors as if they were going to say, "Fuckin A! We never thought of that!"


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 24, 2020, 10:39:52 AM
Bleach and UV light can be used to kill viruses. So why not inside the body! He's not stupid you know....

 :hihi:




/jarmo


We make jokes about his idiocy but the sad thing is people will actually try it, like the dumbasses who took fish tank cleaner. Lysol legit released a statement this morning saying DON'T do this.

His insanity is beyond repair.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 24, 2020, 11:12:01 AM
If you listen to the clip Trump isn't literally saying people should inject themselves with disinfectant. Were talking about semantics, granted wasn't his best choice of words but of course media is spinning this.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: sandman on April 24, 2020, 11:35:46 AM
I eagerly await Blutarsky and Sandman to report back on the success of Trump’s medical advice :rofl:

I will watch the clip.  :nervous:

he does need to be careful, but anyone that injects bleach into their body, or takes fish tank pills, deserves whatever happens to them.

I didn't vote for him for his medical advice.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 24, 2020, 12:17:11 PM
I eagerly await Blutarsky and Sandman to report back on the success of Trump’s medical advice :rofl:

I will watch the clip.  :nervous:

he does need to be careful, but anyone that injects bleach into their body, or takes fish tank pills, deserves whatever happens to them.

I didn't vote for him for his medical advice.

As I've mentioned before, Trump should be letting Pence run these coronavirus briefings and maybe getting involved on a weekly basis.  He'd be better off.  We know he isn't the most well spoken sometimes.

There is a 'I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV joke here.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 24, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
Pence is very measured and very unflappable - agreed


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 24, 2020, 12:32:49 PM
We make jokes about his idiocy but the sad thing is people will actually try it, like the dumbasses who took fish tank cleaner. Lysol legit released a statement this morning saying DON'T do this.

The really sad thing is that in 2020 we are making jokes about a president basically saying they need to look into ingesting disinfectant to kill the virus.

The only jokes we should be making is when he calls the CEO of Apple, Tim Apple or can't pronounce a word. That's it.



So is he hoping to get the Nobel Prize in Medicine for coming up with the cure for Coronavirus? I guess that Peace Prize snub still stings?



/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 24, 2020, 12:46:38 PM
We make jokes about his idiocy but the sad thing is people will actually try it, like the dumbasses who took fish tank cleaner. Lysol legit released a statement this morning saying DON'T do this.

The really sad thing is that in 2020 we are making jokes about a president basically saying they need to look into ingesting disinfectant to kill the virus.



 Trump was trying to make an analogy. It wasn't a good one, but he didn't say go inject yourself with Lysol.  


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 24, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
Trump was trying to make an analogy. It wasn't a good one, but he didn't say go inject yourself with Lysol.  

Now he clams he was being sarcastic. Nice save!

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

Because you see it gets in the lungs and does a tremendous number on them, so it'd be interesting to check that."




He doesn't have to tell people to do it, some will think he knows something and that it could help them. After all, he's the president!

Just one in many statements he's made that comes out of the blue. After all, he used to say that Obama isn't American....





/jarmo





Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Spirit on April 24, 2020, 06:39:04 PM
If you listen to the clip Trump isn't literally saying people should inject themselves with disinfectant. Were talking about semantics, granted wasn't his best choice of words but of course media is spinning this.

You're right he isn't directly saying that. However, even airing the idea of it to doctors (in a press conference no less) is just insane. One should think the president of the United States has more common sense than to even think that putting disinfectant into the body would be a remotely good idea. 10-year-olds know this.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 24, 2020, 09:55:22 PM
We make jokes about his idiocy but the sad thing is people will actually try it, like the dumbasses who took fish tank cleaner. Lysol legit released a statement this morning saying DON'T do this.

The really sad thing is that in 2020 we are making jokes about a president basically saying they need to look into ingesting disinfectant to kill the virus.

The only jokes we should be making is when he calls the CEO of Apple, Tim Apple or can't pronounce a word. That's it.



So is he hoping to get the Nobel Prize in Medicine for coming up with the cure for Coronavirus? I guess that Peace Prize snub still stings?



/jarmo


Very true.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 24, 2020, 09:56:45 PM
And how would one even get heat and sun light into their bodies intravenously?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 25, 2020, 07:15:34 PM
They allowed some businesses like skating rinks, movie theatres and bowling alleys to open up with less than 10 people.  The businesses decided it would cost them money to do that and remained closed.  Those are the businesses they think of first when looking at slowly reopening?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Axl's Favorite Mechanical Bull on April 25, 2020, 07:21:45 PM
It's cool, guys.  Fauci is gonna be replaced by Mr. Clean. 

WE ARE SAVED.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on April 27, 2020, 10:26:00 AM
They allowed some businesses like skating rinks, movie theatres and bowling alleys to open up with less than 10 people.  The businesses decided it would cost them money to do that and remained closed.  Those are the businesses they think of first when looking at slowly reopening?

You've hit on something important here, the dollars and cents of operating these businesses in a half assed way and how that's not really going to work. Bars aren't going to open if they can only seat every other stool. College football isn't going to be played in empty stadiums where there's zero ticket sale revenue to offset the cost of running the programs. Getting "back to normal" is going to be a ways off.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 27, 2020, 12:19:29 PM
They allowed some businesses like skating rinks, movie theatres and bowling alleys to open up with less than 10 people.  The businesses decided it would cost them money to do that and remained closed.  Those are the businesses they think of first when looking at slowly reopening?

You've hit on something important here, the dollars and cents of operating these businesses in a half assed way and how that's not really going to work. Bars aren't going to open if they can only seat every other stool. College football isn't going to be played in empty stadiums where there's zero ticket sale revenue to offset the cost of running the programs. Getting "back to normal" is going to be a ways off.

Giving business the option is a good idea if they can fall within the safety protocols. For some it makes sens to open on a limited basis to stop the financial hemorrhaging while others it isn't cost effective. These are the baby steps we need to take to reopen the country. Can't fit all businesses in the same box, we continue that school of thought and a lot of businesses will be gone permanently along with peoples livelihoods.  Yes we are a ways off from getting back to normal but we can start heading in that direction at this point in some areas.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 27, 2020, 12:31:15 PM
Starting week 6 of lock down here.  Environmentalist are reporting improvements in clean air and water from the lack of human activity.  I'm sure there's some health improvements from not eating all the restaurant food.  Financially, I'm not spending money on gas and eating out so improvement there for me.  There's some positive stuff going on.  :D


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Bridge on April 27, 2020, 02:52:55 PM
Starting week 6 of lock down here.  Environmentalist are reporting improvements in clean air and water from the lack of human activity.  I'm sure there's some health improvements from not eating all the restaurant food.  Financially, I'm not spending money on gas and eating out so improvement there for me.  There's some positive stuff going on.  :D

For you personally, it seems.

For me, it's exactly the opposite.  I live in a house with no kitchen because it's being demolished and renovated.  So I am forced to eat cheap junk fast food just to make it through the day.  I'm going on one meal a day, and it's either McDonald's, Wendy's, or stopping at WalMart and hoping they've marked down some of their subs.

I lost both my jobs, and as shitty as my living situation is, I'll likely lose that soon as well, despite the fact that I can't find a better place to live because no one is renting anything out right now.  I am spending more money on gas because the parks are the only thing open and the only thing retaining any measure of my sanity right now.  I filed for unemployment and received letters that I am entitled to small amounts, but my state hasn't actually paid and the Dept of Labor's multiple phone numbers aren't working.

Not everyone was fortunate enough to have a job where they could work from home, or have copious amounts of savings to live off of.  As bad as my life is right now, I cannot imagine what it's like for parents to be out of work, slowly watching their children starve because they're having to cut back on food or ration meals.  That's a very real threat RIGHT NOW and I ALWAYS said from the beginning that not being able to work would very quickly become a much bigger threat than the coronavirus, and it's happening to the Have Nots right now.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 27, 2020, 03:02:31 PM
Starting week 6 of lock down here.  Environmentalist are reporting improvements in clean air and water from the lack of human activity.  I'm sure there's some health improvements from not eating all the restaurant food.  Financially, I'm not spending money on gas and eating out so improvement there for me.  There's some positive stuff going on.  :D

For you personally, it seems.

For me, it's exactly the opposite.  I live in a house with no kitchen because it's being demolished and renovated.  So I am forced to eat cheap junk fast food just to make it through the day.  I'm going on one meal a day, and it's either McDonald's, Wendy's, or stopping at WalMart and hoping they've marked down some of their subs.

I lost both my jobs, and as shitty as my living situation is, I'll likely lose that soon as well, despite the fact that I can't find a better place to live because no one is renting anything out right now.  I am spending more money on gas because the parks are the only thing open and the only thing retaining any measure of my sanity right now.  I filed for unemployment and received letters that I am entitled to small amounts, but my state hasn't actually paid and the Dept of Labors' multiple phone numbers aren't working.

Not everyone was fortunate enough to have a job where they could work from home, or have copious amounts of savings to live off of.  As bad as my life is right now, I cannot imagine what it's like for parents to be out of work, slowly watching their children starve because they're having to cut back on food or ration meals.  That's a very real threat RIGHT NOW and I ALWAYS said from the beginning that not being able to work would very quickly become a much bigger threat than the coronavirus, and it's happening to the Have Nots right now.

Well said & hope things turn around for you -


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 27, 2020, 07:14:48 PM
Starting week 6 of lock down here.  Environmentalist are reporting improvements in clean air and water from the lack of human activity.  I'm sure there's some health improvements from not eating all the restaurant food.  Financially, I'm not spending money on gas and eating out so improvement there for me.  There's some positive stuff going on.  :D

For you personally, it seems.

For me, it's exactly the opposite.  I live in a house with no kitchen because it's being demolished and renovated.  So I am forced to eat cheap junk fast food just to make it through the day.  I'm going on one meal a day, and it's either McDonald's, Wendy's, or stopping at WalMart and hoping they've marked down some of their subs.

I lost both my jobs, and as shitty as my living situation is, I'll likely lose that soon as well, despite the fact that I can't find a better place to live because no one is renting anything out right now.  I am spending more money on gas because the parks are the only thing open and the only thing retaining any measure of my sanity right now.  I filed for unemployment and received letters that I am entitled to small amounts, but my state hasn't actually paid and the Dept of Labor's multiple phone numbers aren't working.

Not everyone was fortunate enough to have a job where they could work from home, or have copious amounts of savings to live off of.  As bad as my life is right now, I cannot imagine what it's like for parents to be out of work, slowly watching their children starve because they're having to cut back on food or ration meals.  That's a very real threat RIGHT NOW and I ALWAYS said from the beginning that not being able to work would very quickly become a much bigger threat than the coronavirus, and it's happening to the Have Nots right now.

Wow, you have a lot going on.

Well, at the risk of setting you off, let me try to help, maybe you've never been in this situation before.  You're buying your food at the most expensive price out there.  There are plenty of things you can buy at the grocery store that don't have to be cooked or refrigerated, are more nutritional and cost way less.  Many of your can goods can be eaten straight from the can.  If you have an electric skillet or can borrow one, you're cooking.  There are probably barbeque pits in the park and you can make a cooking fire.  There are lawns to be cut and other "menial labors" that can generate some money or a free meal.



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 28, 2020, 06:08:38 AM
 I live in a house with no kitchen because it's being demolished and renovated.  So I am forced to eat cheap junk fast food just to make it through the day.  I'm going on one meal a day, and it's either McDonald's, Wendy's, or stopping at WalMart and hoping they've marked down some of their subs.

I lost both my jobs, and as shitty as my living situation is, I'll likely lose that soon as well, despite the fact that I can't find a better place to live because no one is renting anything out right now.  I am spending more money on gas because the parks are the only thing open and the only thing retaining any measure of my sanity right now.  I filed for unemployment and received letters that I am entitled to small amounts, but my state hasn't actually paid and the Dept of Labor's multiple phone numbers aren't working.


Sorry to hear that.  :(

What a fucked up system. It shouldn't be acceptable that people don't get the money (help) they are entitled to. Like you said, people are already stressed out about their finances, housing, food etc on top of all the invisible enemy of the virus.


Hope it works out for you soon.



/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on April 28, 2020, 06:18:35 AM
 I live in a house with no kitchen because it's being demolished and renovated.  So I am forced to eat cheap junk fast food just to make it through the day.  I'm going on one meal a day, and it's either McDonald's, Wendy's, or stopping at WalMart and hoping they've marked down some of their subs.

I lost both my jobs, and as shitty as my living situation is, I'll likely lose that soon as well, despite the fact that I can't find a better place to live because no one is renting anything out right now.  I am spending more money on gas because the parks are the only thing open and the only thing retaining any measure of my sanity right now.  I filed for unemployment and received letters that I am entitled to small amounts, but my state hasn't actually paid and the Dept of Labor's multiple phone numbers aren't working.


Sorry to hear that.  :(

What a fucked up system. It shouldn't be acceptable that people don't get the money (help) they are entitled to. Like you said, people are already stressed out about their finances, housing, food etc on top of all the invisible enemy of the virus.


Hope it works out for you soon.



/jarmo


Yep it is pretty sad. We got a measly one time stimulus of $1200. $2400 for married couples. To contrast, Canada is paying people out of work $2000 a month.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 28, 2020, 01:36:21 PM
 I live in a house with no kitchen because it's being demolished and renovated.  So I am forced to eat cheap junk fast food just to make it through the day.  I'm going on one meal a day, and it's either McDonald's, Wendy's, or stopping at WalMart and hoping they've marked down some of their subs.

I lost both my jobs, and as shitty as my living situation is, I'll likely lose that soon as well, despite the fact that I can't find a better place to live because no one is renting anything out right now.  I am spending more money on gas because the parks are the only thing open and the only thing retaining any measure of my sanity right now.  I filed for unemployment and received letters that I am entitled to small amounts, but my state hasn't actually paid and the Dept of Labor's multiple phone numbers aren't working.


Sorry to hear that.  :(

What a fucked up system. It shouldn't be acceptable that people don't get the money (help) they are entitled to. Like you said, people are already stressed out about their finances, housing, food etc on top of all the invisible enemy of the virus.


Hope it works out for you soon.



/jarmo


Yep it is pretty sad. We got a measly one time stimulus of $1200. $2400 for married couples. To contrast, Canada is paying people out of work $2000 a month.

Actually, the US is paying the unemployed better.  On top of what people normally get in unemployment the feds added $600/wk.  Of course, the problem is the systems got over ran.  Which is not where the taxer pays wanted their priorities for tax dollars when they were working.  When it comes to use of tax dollars, mental health and services to the poor go to the bottom of the list and then get cut.  Your computer upgrades for systems and supplies usually come from federal grants to the states.  The only reason my state was able to operate a lot of this stuff from home was because they took advantage of those grants.  They want to shut down the offices and have people work out of their homes.  It saves them money in the long run and they were working on that when this hit.  It's been an ongoing process for 5 years but it didn't really include a better operating system.  It was the hardware that took it to the home.  The computer systems are over 20 years old with upgrades made along the way.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: AxlsMainMan on April 29, 2020, 11:06:20 AM
Nice to see the "measured and very unflappable" Mike Pence remember to wear a face mask when touring the Mayo Clinic ::)


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on April 29, 2020, 03:19:49 PM
Nice to see the "measured and very unflappable" Mike Pence remember to wear a face mask when touring the Mayo Clinic ::)

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Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on April 29, 2020, 08:01:37 PM
Nice to see the "measured and very unflappable" Mike Pence remember to wear a face mask when touring the Mayo Clinic ::)

Maybe he's thinking it's his body, and his choice.  :hihi:






/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on April 30, 2020, 12:15:56 AM
Nice to see the "measured and very unflappable" Mike Pence remember to wear a face mask when touring the Mayo Clinic ::)

Maybe he's thinking it's his body, and his choice.  :hihi:






/jarmo


Oh no, he's a very important man in a danger zone.  And since all the PPE is in high demand, I would have made him dress like the MTV moonman.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 01, 2020, 11:18:16 PM
Hope that's the miracle drug.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 02, 2020, 12:54:07 PM
Phase 1 starts here on Monday  : ok:

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/05/01/gov-ron-desantis-gives-update-on-states-response-to-coronavirus-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR17KkikJTXGptp3Go63yzV9yodkB9kMWO4u5derpTa2HSowVFvF2JgAt5Y (https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/05/01/gov-ron-desantis-gives-update-on-states-response-to-coronavirus-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR17KkikJTXGptp3Go63yzV9yodkB9kMWO4u5derpTa2HSowVFvF2JgAt5Y)
Re-Open Florida Task Force releases 3-phased plan to reopen state

Phase 1:

Schools would remain distance learning.

No visitors to long term care facilities.

Elective surgeries can resume statewide.

No movie theaters. “I’ve declined to go for movie theaters at this time, even though you could have done that in Phase 1,” DeSantis said. “I think prudence dictates we go a little slow on that.”

Restaurants will be allowed outdoor seating with six-feet of social distancing; 25 percent capacity for indoor seating will be allowed with CDC guidelines for spacing. “The task force recommended 50 percent inside, I think we’ll start with 25 percent with the outdoor and see how it goes,” DeSantis said.

Retail can operate at a 25 percent indoor capacity with social distancing.

The task force did recommend that gyms and fitness centers would be allowed to operate at up to 50 percent of its building’s capacity. DeSantis said Phase 1 at this time would not allow gyms, fitness centers and personal services to open. “I do want people to get into gyms and if I get some guidelines that make sense, then we will reevaluate it. But for now Phase 1 is not going to include that.”

Large spectator sporting events should use strict social distancing guidelines and limit occupancy of venues to 25 percent of building capacity, the report stated. But DeSantis said he would give approval to sporting events in Phase 1 only if they did not include spectators.

Theme parks will remain closed.

PHASE 2

“Phase 2 will begin after the successful conclusion of Phase 1, which includes a downward trajectory of the syndromic and epidemiology criteria while maintaining adequate health care capacity,” the report stated. “This will occur when there is no evidence of a rebound or resurgence of COVID-19 cases and satisfies the benchmarks outlined in this Safe. Smart. Step-by-Step. plan.”

Many of the same precautions are encouraged during Phase 2, however people will be allowed to resume non-essential travel. Businesses are urged to minimize non-essential travel, however, and must adhere to CDC guidelines regarding isolation following travel.

Bars and nightclubs will be allowed to operate at 50 percent of the building capacity, while restaurants will be allowed to operate at no more than 75 percent of its building’s capacity.

Gyms and fitness centers will also be allowed to operate at up to 75 percent of its building’s capacity.

“Theme parks may consider re-opening with capacity limits, strict social distancing and proper measures to clean and disinfect,” the report stated.

PHASE 3

In Phase 3, vulnerable populations are encouraged to limit their time spent in crowded spaces.

Employers may call employees back to work, but teleworking may be considered for vulnerable populations, the report stated.

All non-essential travel may resume in Phase 3, but people must adhere to CDC guidelines regarding isolation following travel, according to the report.

Personal services businesses, such as salons and barber shops, may operate under full capacity in Phase 3 but should consider taking certain preventative measures, including “removing all unnecessary, frequent-touch items such as magazines, newspapers, service menus and any other unnecessary paper products and décor from customer service areas,” the report stated.



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 03, 2020, 12:04:06 AM
Phase 1 starts here on Monday  : ok:

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/05/01/gov-ron-desantis-gives-update-on-states-response-to-coronavirus-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR17KkikJTXGptp3Go63yzV9yodkB9kMWO4u5derpTa2HSowVFvF2JgAt5Y (https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/05/01/gov-ron-desantis-gives-update-on-states-response-to-coronavirus-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR17KkikJTXGptp3Go63yzV9yodkB9kMWO4u5derpTa2HSowVFvF2JgAt5Y)
Re-Open Florida Task Force releases 3-phased plan to reopen state

Phase 1:

Schools would remain distance learning.

No visitors to long term care facilities.

Elective surgeries can resume statewide.

No movie theaters. “I’ve declined to go for movie theaters at this time, even though you could have done that in Phase 1,” DeSantis said. “I think prudence dictates we go a little slow on that.”

Restaurants will be allowed outdoor seating with six-feet of social distancing; 25 percent capacity for indoor seating will be allowed with CDC guidelines for spacing. “The task force recommended 50 percent inside, I think we’ll start with 25 percent with the outdoor and see how it goes,” DeSantis said.

Retail can operate at a 25 percent indoor capacity with social distancing.

The task force did recommend that gyms and fitness centers would be allowed to operate at up to 50 percent of its building’s capacity. DeSantis said Phase 1 at this time would not allow gyms, fitness centers and personal services to open. “I do want people to get into gyms and if I get some guidelines that make sense, then we will reevaluate it. But for now Phase 1 is not going to include that.”

Large spectator sporting events should use strict social distancing guidelines and limit occupancy of venues to 25 percent of building capacity, the report stated. But DeSantis said he would give approval to sporting events in Phase 1 only if they did not include spectators.

Theme parks will remain closed.

PHASE 2

“Phase 2 will begin after the successful conclusion of Phase 1, which includes a downward trajectory of the syndromic and epidemiology criteria while maintaining adequate health care capacity,” the report stated. “This will occur when there is no evidence of a rebound or resurgence of COVID-19 cases and satisfies the benchmarks outlined in this Safe. Smart. Step-by-Step. plan.”

Many of the same precautions are encouraged during Phase 2, however people will be allowed to resume non-essential travel. Businesses are urged to minimize non-essential travel, however, and must adhere to CDC guidelines regarding isolation following travel.

Bars and nightclubs will be allowed to operate at 50 percent of the building capacity, while restaurants will be allowed to operate at no more than 75 percent of its building’s capacity.

Gyms and fitness centers will also be allowed to operate at up to 75 percent of its building’s capacity.

“Theme parks may consider re-opening with capacity limits, strict social distancing and proper measures to clean and disinfect,” the report stated.

PHASE 3

In Phase 3, vulnerable populations are encouraged to limit their time spent in crowded spaces.

Employers may call employees back to work, but teleworking may be considered for vulnerable populations, the report stated.

All non-essential travel may resume in Phase 3, but people must adhere to CDC guidelines regarding isolation following travel, according to the report.

Personal services businesses, such as salons and barber shops, may operate under full capacity in Phase 3 but should consider taking certain preventative measures, including “removing all unnecessary, frequent-touch items such as magazines, newspapers, service menus and any other unnecessary paper products and décor from customer service areas,” the report stated.



Pretty much the exact same plan in my state, except theaters can open at 25%. None are opening though and we aren't allowing any spectator sports.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 03, 2020, 10:15:01 PM
We start phase one tomorrow.  Our numbers are going up so I'm not sure how long this will last.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 04, 2020, 03:17:24 AM
We start phase one tomorrow.  Our numbers are going up so I'm not sure how long this will last.

So are ours. The 2nd had the second highest new case total.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 04, 2020, 12:23:01 PM
Here is something to consider regarding the rising numbers of cases-

Is it due to more spreading of COVID-19 or are they just finding more existing cases since testing is getting better? If that makes any sense.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on May 04, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
Here is something to consider regarding the rising numbers of cases-

Is it due to more spreading of COVID-19 or are they just finding more existing cases since testing is getting better? If that makes any sense.

No way to know without also monitoring tests administered per day.  Our state releases that information every day.  Not sure about others.

This is why total hospitializations and daily mortalities are at least as important as "positive tests".  Because those are really irrelevant to the number of tests being done.

If you are trending down on hospitalizations (more DCs than admissions) and if less people are dying every day...that's a better metric concerning acuity in the state vs just "positive tests".  Positive test divided by total tests given (so you get a % comparison to previous days) in RELATION to positive tests is another decent benchmark.  But without the number of tests administered per day, you have no real context for "new cases".



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 04, 2020, 02:42:04 PM
I dont see the reported numbers for my state falling, they are showing a steady but not sharp increase per day. Yet we open up today for phase 1.  Granted I am happy to take steps toward the direction of normalcy but I dont want a 2nd spike either. That just prolongs this.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on May 04, 2020, 03:15:02 PM
CNN has the world and USA figures on screen all of the time
I've made a game out of it and predict the #'s before seeing them.
One constant trend over the past few weeks is that the #of cases is clearly up per day if compared to a month ago (testing) but the deaths are not (Social distancing working and as with anything - we learn a lot as we go - in particular the care at the hospitals has been sensational)

Now if you go back to what I mentioned about predicting - we are more or less on a consistent trend - seeing 70-90k new cases worldwide with 5-10k deaths per day
USA is about 30-40k cases and 1-2k deaths per day (about 40% of that is from NY alone)

Doesn't give you all of the answers but is a fascinating thing to watch the impact





Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 04, 2020, 11:40:20 PM
CNN has the world and USA figures on screen all of the time
I've made a game out of it and predict the #'s before seeing them.
One constant trend over the past few weeks is that the #of cases is clearly up per day if compared to a month ago (testing) but the deaths are not (Social distancing working and as with anything - we learn a lot as we go - in particular the care at the hospitals has been sensational)

Now if you go back to what I mentioned about predicting - we are more or less on a consistent trend - seeing 70-90k new cases worldwide with 5-10k deaths per day
USA is about 30-40k cases and 1-2k deaths per day (about 40% of that is from NY alone)

Doesn't give you all of the answers but is a fascinating thing to watch the impact





I would not watch that.  Scares the shit out of you to watch the news.  It would be better if they gave the percentage of the population to give you a better picture of just how bad it is but then again testing is behind.

Any reports on how the wonder drug is doing?  Is it even available and being used yet?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 05, 2020, 05:18:02 AM
CNN has the world and USA figures on screen all of the time
I've made a game out of it and predict the #'s before seeing them.
One constant trend over the past few weeks is that the #of cases is clearly up per day if compared to a month ago (testing) but the deaths are not (Social distancing working and as with anything - we learn a lot as we go - in particular the care at the hospitals has been sensational)

Now if you go back to what I mentioned about predicting - we are more or less on a consistent trend - seeing 70-90k new cases worldwide with 5-10k deaths per day
USA is about 30-40k cases and 1-2k deaths per day (about 40% of that is from NY alone)

Doesn't give you all of the answers but is a fascinating thing to watch the impact





I would not watch that.  Scares the shit out of you to watch the news.  It would be better if they gave the percentage of the population to give you a better picture of just how bad it is but then again testing is behind.

Any reports on how the wonder drug is doing?  Is it even available and being used yet?
New York is starting to do that with a massive undertaking of antibody testing. Last update from Governor Cuomo on that they'd tested 15k random people. So far it is at 12.3%.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on May 05, 2020, 06:40:07 AM
CNN has the world and USA figures on screen all of the time
I've made a game out of it and predict the #'s before seeing them.
One constant trend over the past few weeks is that the #of cases is clearly up per day if compared to a month ago (testing) but the deaths are not (Social distancing working and as with anything - we learn a lot as we go - in particular the care at the hospitals has been sensational)

Now if you go back to what I mentioned about predicting - we are more or less on a consistent trend - seeing 70-90k new cases worldwide with 5-10k deaths per day
USA is about 30-40k cases and 1-2k deaths per day (about 40% of that is from NY alone)

Doesn't give you all of the answers but is a fascinating thing to watch the impact





I would not watch that.  Scares the shit out of you to watch the news.  It would be better if they gave the percentage of the population to give you a better picture of just how bad it is but then again testing is behind.

Any reports on how the wonder drug is doing?  Is it even available and being used yet?

Eh - is ok
I enjoy the numbers game - don't get carried away by sensationalism much
My point was simply that while this is not over by a long shot - it has become quite predictable - we are not seeing 50-100k jumps in deaths on any day above the norm - so in my heart of hearts it means something is working


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 05, 2020, 08:37:35 AM
It'll all be for naught if we continue to try an open too quickly. We could be looking at 3k deaths a day by August.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 05, 2020, 09:42:36 AM
Saw this on a facebook post. Some good perspective, what we are currently going thru isn't as bad as what the greatest generation had to deal with.....

“Imagine you were born in 1900. On your 14th birthday, World War I starts, and ends on your 18th birthday. 22 million people perish in that war.
Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until your 20th birthday. 50 million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.
On your 29th birthday, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, the World GDP drops 27%.
That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy.
When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet. And don’t try to catch your breath. On your 41st birthday, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war.
At 50, the Korean War starts. 5 million perish.
At 55 the Vietnam War begins and doesn’t end for 20 years. 4 million people perish in that conflict.
On your 62nd birthday you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, should have ended. Great leaders prevented that from happening.
When you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends.
Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How do you survive all of that? When you were a kid in 1985 and didn’t think your 85 year old grandparent understood how hard school was. And how mean that kid in your class was. Yet they survived through everything listed above. Perspective is an amazing art, refined as time goes on, and enlightening like you wouldn’t believe. Let’s try and keep things in perspective."


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on May 05, 2020, 10:17:20 AM
Finland is starting to open up. Restaurants will open next month etc.

Meanwhile, Sweden has been open all along..... Number of cases and deaths are way higher than the neighboring countries that have had lock down measures in place.





/jarmo



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 05, 2020, 12:21:24 PM
Saw this on a facebook post. Some good perspective, what we are currently going thru isn't as bad as what the greatest generation had to deal with.....

“Imagine you were born in 1900. On your 14th birthday, World War I starts, and ends on your 18th birthday. 22 million people perish in that war.
Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until your 20th birthday. 50 million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.
On your 29th birthday, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, the World GDP drops 27%.
That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy.
When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet. And don’t try to catch your breath. On your 41st birthday, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war.
At 50, the Korean War starts. 5 million perish.
At 55 the Vietnam War begins and doesn’t end for 20 years. 4 million people perish in that conflict.
On your 62nd birthday you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, should have ended. Great leaders prevented that from happening.
When you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends.
Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How do you survive all of that? When you were a kid in 1985 and didn’t think your 85 year old grandparent understood how hard school was. And how mean that kid in your class was. Yet they survived through everything listed above. Perspective is an amazing art, refined as time goes on, and enlightening like you wouldn’t believe. Let’s try and keep things in perspective."

Not to mention all the other diseases like polio and TB running rampant.  Industrial waste, the effort to feed yourself and car crashes.  No wonder people thought 60 was old.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 06, 2020, 10:39:13 AM
This turd gets a slap on the wrist for breaking protocol he says the rest of the country had to follow. Ferguson told people they needed to social distance and stay at home. But he lets a married woman come to his house twice for some action, knowing that he had tested positive for COVID19. Then this married woman potentially exposes her entire family to the virus. Unbelievable. He even went as far as saying previously that China has shown the way on how to handle COVID with their lockdowns. Same China that we have seen video of their police dragging people into vans kicking and screaming likely destined to some secret internment camp.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/05/uk/neil-ferguson-imperial-coronavirus-sage-gbr-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/05/uk/neil-ferguson-imperial-coronavirus-sage-gbr-intl/index.html)
UK coronavirus adviser resigns after reports his lover visited during lockdown

London (CNN)A leading epidemiologist who advised the UK government on its coronavirus response resigned from his government post on Tuesday, after the Telegraph newspaper revealed he broke the lockdown rules he helped shape by allowing his reported lover to visit his home.
Professor Neil Ferguson, who is based at Imperial College in London, is one of the architects of the UK government's stay-at-home strategy and was a prominent member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) which has been spearheading the country's coronavirus response.
The Telegraph reported Tuesday that a woman whom it described as his married lover had visited Ferguson's home in London at least twice despite social distancing guidelines.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock told Sky News that he was left speechless by the "extraordinary" revelation and that Ferguson had taken the right decision in resigning from his advisory position.

"Clearly the social distancing rules are there for everyone and they are incredibly important and they are deadly serious, and the reason is that they are the means by which we have managed to get control of this virus," Hancock said Wednesday.

News of Ferguson's resignation came on the same day that the UK overtook Italy as the country with the highest coronavirus death toll in Europe. The UK Department of Health and Social Care said 29,427 people who had tested positive for Covid-19 had died as of Monday afternoon.
In a statement to CNN, Ferguson said he accepted he made "an error of judgement and took the wrong course of action," and had therefore stepped back from his involvement in SAGE.

"I acted in the belief that I was immune, having tested positive for coronavirus and completely isolated myself for almost two weeks after developing symptoms," he said.
"I deeply regret any undermining of the clear messages around the continued need for social distancing to control this devastating epidemic.
"The government guidance is unequivocal, and is there to protect all of us."

Hancock told Sky News it was up to the police to decide whether any action should be taken against Ferguson.
"Professor Ferguson is a very eminent and impressive scientist and the science that he has done has been an important part of what we've listened to," the health secretary said. "I think he took the right decision to resign."

Scotland Yard said Ferguson's behavior was "plainly disappointing" but ruled out taking action against him -- such as issuing a fine -- because he had "taken responsibility" for his error of judgment, according to the UK's PA news agency.
Professor Sir Robert Lechler, president of the Academy of Medical Sciences, told the UK's Science Media Centre that he did not believe Ferguson's resignation would have any material impact on the advice received by the government, despite his high profile.
"It's critical, I think, to understand that we are in an era of team science. Prof Ferguson is an individual -- he's the leader of a team, but it's the team as a whole who will, I am sure, continue to provide valuable input to SAGE," Lechler said.
The epidemiologist is not the only leading figure in Britain's coronavirus response to have been caught flouting the rules on social distancing.

Scotland's chief medical officer, Catherine Calderwood, resigned from the position last month after she was photographed by a Scottish newspaper near her family's second home, in a different part of the country to her Edinburgh address.
She was given a formal police warning for leaving her home without proper excuse.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 06, 2020, 03:41:18 PM
This turd gets a slap on the wrist for breaking protocol he says the rest of the country had to follow. Ferguson told people they needed to social distance and stay at home. But he lets a married woman come to his house twice for some action, knowing that he had tested positive for COVID19. Then this married woman potentially exposes her entire family to the virus. Unbelievable. He even went as far as saying previously that China has shown the way on how to handle COVID with their lockdowns. Same China that we have seen video of their police dragging people into vans kicking and screaming likely destined to some secret internment camp.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/05/uk/neil-ferguson-imperial-coronavirus-sage-gbr-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/05/uk/neil-ferguson-imperial-coronavirus-sage-gbr-intl/index.html)
UK coronavirus adviser resigns after reports his lover visited during lockdown

London (CNN)A leading epidemiologist who advised the UK government on its coronavirus response resigned from his government post on Tuesday, after the Telegraph newspaper revealed he broke the lockdown rules he helped shape by allowing his reported lover to visit his home.
Professor Neil Ferguson, who is based at Imperial College in London, is one of the architects of the UK government's stay-at-home strategy and was a prominent member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) which has been spearheading the country's coronavirus response.
The Telegraph reported Tuesday that a woman whom it described as his married lover had visited Ferguson's home in London at least twice despite social distancing guidelines.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock told Sky News that he was left speechless by the "extraordinary" revelation and that Ferguson had taken the right decision in resigning from his advisory position.

"Clearly the social distancing rules are there for everyone and they are incredibly important and they are deadly serious, and the reason is that they are the means by which we have managed to get control of this virus," Hancock said Wednesday.

News of Ferguson's resignation came on the same day that the UK overtook Italy as the country with the highest coronavirus death toll in Europe. The UK Department of Health and Social Care said 29,427 people who had tested positive for Covid-19 had died as of Monday afternoon.
In a statement to CNN, Ferguson said he accepted he made "an error of judgement and took the wrong course of action," and had therefore stepped back from his involvement in SAGE.

"I acted in the belief that I was immune, having tested positive for coronavirus and completely isolated myself for almost two weeks after developing symptoms," he said.
"I deeply regret any undermining of the clear messages around the continued need for social distancing to control this devastating epidemic.
"The government guidance is unequivocal, and is there to protect all of us."

Hancock told Sky News it was up to the police to decide whether any action should be taken against Ferguson.
"Professor Ferguson is a very eminent and impressive scientist and the science that he has done has been an important part of what we've listened to," the health secretary said. "I think he took the right decision to resign."

Scotland Yard said Ferguson's behavior was "plainly disappointing" but ruled out taking action against him -- such as issuing a fine -- because he had "taken responsibility" for his error of judgment, according to the UK's PA news agency.
Professor Sir Robert Lechler, president of the Academy of Medical Sciences, told the UK's Science Media Centre that he did not believe Ferguson's resignation would have any material impact on the advice received by the government, despite his high profile.
"It's critical, I think, to understand that we are in an era of team science. Prof Ferguson is an individual -- he's the leader of a team, but it's the team as a whole who will, I am sure, continue to provide valuable input to SAGE," Lechler said.
The epidemiologist is not the only leading figure in Britain's coronavirus response to have been caught flouting the rules on social distancing.

Scotland's chief medical officer, Catherine Calderwood, resigned from the position last month after she was photographed by a Scottish newspaper near her family's second home, in a different part of the country to her Edinburgh address.
She was given a formal police warning for leaving her home without proper excuse.


Can't fix stupid.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 07, 2020, 11:24:56 PM
My friends just can't maintain that social distance.  The next thing I know, they are right next to me.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: poorlakers on May 08, 2020, 08:28:05 AM
Funny how folks just want to live their lives. What a concept!

Poorlakers


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: poorlakers on May 08, 2020, 08:28:49 AM
I like/enjoy being next to others!


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 08, 2020, 10:47:09 PM
I'm all for live your life just don't do anything to interrupt me living mine.  Back your ass off 6 feet and take in the whole view.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 08, 2020, 10:58:01 PM
I'm all for live your life just don't do anything to interrupt me living mine.  Back your ass off 6 feet and take in the whole view.  :hihi:

I hear ya, i am over people not taking this seriously. I've been going around and around with a friend refusing to wear a mask in situations that do not allow a safe distance. She thinks only people staying home are dying and all the essential workers are 100% fine. Then there's my mom who thinks the shelter in place is socialism and that the hospitals are  artificially inflating the numbers when its much more likely they are way too low due to lack of enough testing. She thinks they want us to wear masks because they don't want us to not get antibodies and they want us to die. When we don't even know if antibodies even protect us and for how long because it has mutated so many times. I know 9 people in the nursing field so i see and hear what is really going on. The most frustrating thing about it is it has really hit home for me. My best friends husband has lost 4 co workers in the last few weeks to this. His grandmother lost an ex. Another friends dad lost 3 good friends in a week, yes said week! and another one of his close friends lost their aunt in the same week. I am just done with ignorance and conspiracy shit about covid-19.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 08, 2020, 11:09:07 PM
They are tracking cell phones to see if as a group we are going out or staying home.

Aw, Roy from Siegfried and Roy died from the virus.  :'(


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 09, 2020, 12:33:39 AM
Yeah i saw that.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 11, 2020, 08:09:32 PM
I blew it.  We didn't maintain social distancing on Mother's Day and I had a construction crew in the house today.  But, where I think I'm going down, the guy who came over to collect the money from the plant sale I've been having on my driveway for the last two weeks is self isolating until his test results comes back.  Only time will tell.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Bridge on May 11, 2020, 09:38:56 PM
I blew it.  We didn't maintain social distancing on Mother's Day and I had a construction crew in the house today.  But, where I think I'm going down, the guy who came over to collect the money from the plant sale I've been having on my driveway for the last two weeks is self isolating until his test results comes back.  Only time will tell.

So wait, what are you saying?   ???  Did you get sick during this trek?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 11, 2020, 10:58:04 PM
I blew it.  We didn't maintain social distancing on Mother's Day and I had a construction crew in the house today.  But, where I think I'm going down, the guy who came over to collect the money from the plant sale I've been having on my driveway for the last two weeks is self isolating until his test results comes back.  Only time will tell.

So wait, what are you saying?   ???  Did you get sick during this trek?

Not yet but you can't say I don't have it coming.  Good news, the money guy's test came back negative.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 11, 2020, 11:07:54 PM
Yikes, hope you don't test positive.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 12, 2020, 04:30:34 PM
Did I mention the nicotine study?  They found that wearing the nicotine patch might kill the virus, more study needed before any conclusions.  I've said this for years, I'm rarely sick because I smoke.  The nicotine kills it going in.  That's just a lie I tell myself but I got a little chuckle out of the study.

I'm okay so far but they are tearing up my bathrooms and the mold smell is really bad.  I had to sleep on the couch last night with all the doors closed and the fans on.  Plus we lost an elderly neighbor last night from natural causes.  It's getting a little freaky.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 12, 2020, 10:50:41 PM
Wow you sure do have a lot going on right now.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 12, 2020, 11:18:25 PM
Wow you sure do have a lot going on right now.

I know!  :hihi:  I was actually enjoying being held up at home all by myself.  I'm sick of zoom meetings.  My phone is blowing up with text messages.  Everybody keeps stopping by the house.  I want all these folks to go back to work and leave me alone.  Their masks are kind of fun to see the different patterns but I've just got a bandana with rub bands and I feel pretty out classed there.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 13, 2020, 05:58:01 AM
Wow you sure do have a lot going on right now.

I know!  :hihi:  I was actually enjoying being held up at home all by myself.  I'm sick of zoom meetings.  My phone is blowing up with text messages.  Everybody keeps stopping by the house.  I want all these folks to go back to work and leave me alone.  Their masks are kind of fun to see the different patterns but I've just got a bandana with rub bands and I feel pretty out classed there.  :hihi:

Haha, we've been using basically surgical masks.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on May 13, 2020, 06:43:03 PM
On a little different note, does anyone else think all the hell that Bryan Adams is catching is bullshit?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 13, 2020, 10:00:20 PM
What did he do?  I think all the fighting is bullshit.  We should be working together.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2020, 10:45:45 PM
It is unfortunate that Bryan Adams apologized for what he said.  He gave in to the mob. All he did was speak his mind and got called a racist and if you read his original comments nothing could have been further from the truth.  He criticized the wet markets which are definitely not safe or humane for a number of reasons.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on May 14, 2020, 04:52:37 AM
It is unfortunate that Bryan Adams apologized for what he said.  He gave in to the mob. All he did was speak his mind and got called a racist and if you read his original comments nothing could have been further from the truth.  He criticized the wet markets which are definitely not safe or humane for a number of reasons.

I was shocked I saw that too. It sounded like it was a Ted Nugent rant and then you see Bryan F**** Adams  ???

The world is completely upside down


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 14, 2020, 08:42:59 AM
For those who haven't seen it, here is a copy and paste on what he said on Instagram that drew all the criticism:

bryanadams
Verified
CUTS LIKE A KNIFE. A song by me. Tonight was supposed to be the beginning of a tenancy of gigs at the @royalalberthall, but thanks to some fucking bat eating, wet market animal selling, virus making greedy bastards, the whole world is now on hold, not to mention the thousands that have suffered or died from this virus. My message to them other than “thanks a fucking lot” is go vegan. To all the people missing out on our shows, I wish I could be there more than you know. It’s been great hanging out in isolation with my children and family, but I miss my other family, my band, my crew and my fans. Take care of yourselves and hope we can get the show on the road again soon. I’ll be performing a snippet from each album we were supposed to perform for the next few days. X❤️ #songsfromisolation #covid_19 #banwetmarkets #selfisolation #bryanadamscutslikeaknife #govegan



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: LunsJail on May 14, 2020, 10:59:36 AM
It is unfortunate that Bryan Adams apologized for what he said.  He gave in to the mob. All he did was speak his mind and got called a racist and if you read his original comments nothing could have been further from the truth.  He criticized the wet markets which are definitely not safe or humane for a number of reasons.

Yes, I agree. This is not racism and when the PC social media mob pulls this faux outrage shit, it should just be ignored.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on May 14, 2020, 11:15:17 AM
We've all had our Mel Gibson moments (most of us at least) - but for some reason I'd have assumed that the the Bryan Adams rant of a lifetime would be about which cookies - Oreos or Chips Ahoy go better with his warm milk


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on May 14, 2020, 01:01:57 PM
We managed to get rid off some contagious diseases because of mandatory vaccinations. Now it's 2020 and people know "better" because they study Youtube.

When there's a vaccine for this, wonder what percentage will refuse. Which will probably cause outbreaks again....




/jarmo





Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 14, 2020, 03:47:27 PM
We managed to get rid off some contagious diseases because of mandatory vaccinations. Now it's 2020 and people know "better" because they study Youtube.

When there's a vaccine for this, wonder what percentage will refuse. Which will probably cause outbreaks again....




/jarmo





That is going to be a problem. Once a vaccine is ready I am curious if states will mandate that kids will be required to have the vaccine before they go back to school. I think they have to.   
 


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 15, 2020, 12:52:13 AM
We managed to get rid off some contagious diseases because of mandatory vaccinations. Now it's 2020 and people know "better" because they study Youtube.

When there's a vaccine for this, wonder what percentage will refuse. Which will probably cause outbreaks again....




/jarmo





That is going to be a problem. Once a vaccine is ready I am curious if states will mandate that kids will be required to have the vaccine before they go back to school. I think they have to.   
 
Wholly agree, there is just too much coming to light in how Covid-19 affects children and it is all terrifying.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 15, 2020, 11:05:37 PM
We managed to get rid off some contagious diseases because of mandatory vaccinations. Now it's 2020 and people know "better" because they study Youtube.

When there's a vaccine for this, wonder what percentage will refuse. Which will probably cause outbreaks again....




/jarmo





That is going to be a problem. Once a vaccine is ready I am curious if states will mandate that kids will be required to have the vaccine before they go back to school. I think they have to.   
 
Wholly agree, there is just too much coming to light in how Covid-19 affects children and it is all terrifying.

Yes but this vaccine is being rushed to market.  So much they don't know.  I'll get the vaccine but don't know that I'll trust it.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 16, 2020, 05:16:02 PM
We managed to get rid off some contagious diseases because of mandatory vaccinations. Now it's 2020 and people know "better" because they study Youtube.

When there's a vaccine for this, wonder what percentage will refuse. Which will probably cause outbreaks again....




/jarmo





That is going to be a problem. Once a vaccine is ready I am curious if states will mandate that kids will be required to have the vaccine before they go back to school. I think they have to.   
 
Wholly agree, there is just too much coming to light in how Covid-19 affects children and it is all terrifying.

Yes but this vaccine is being rushed to market.  So much they don't know.  I'll get the vaccine but don't know that I'll trust it.

By the time it is being given to general population we should know. It will absolutely go to frontline workers first.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 16, 2020, 08:43:50 PM
We managed to get rid off some contagious diseases because of mandatory vaccinations. Now it's 2020 and people know "better" because they study Youtube.

When there's a vaccine for this, wonder what percentage will refuse. Which will probably cause outbreaks again....




/jarmo





That is going to be a problem. Once a vaccine is ready I am curious if states will mandate that kids will be required to have the vaccine before they go back to school. I think they have to.   
 
Wholly agree, there is just too much coming to light in how Covid-19 affects children and it is all terrifying.

Yes but this vaccine is being rushed to market.  So much they don't know.  I'll get the vaccine but don't know that I'll trust it.

By the time it is being given to general population we should know. It will absolutely go to frontline workers first.

By the time they figure out if there's any long term side effects, I'll be dead.  The rest of you might have a problem.  :hihi:

Did you see that one doctor thinks he got it through his eyes from droplets in the air?  They are laying off health care workers here because they never got overrun with covid but stopped all elective surgeries.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 17, 2020, 01:18:41 AM
Yeah that's another new thing we're finding out how long the droplets can stay in the air. Every day it seems we find out something that makes this even more scary.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 17, 2020, 10:33:48 AM
The moment they opened us up the car accidents began during the rush hour.  And the murder rate started to increase.  I'm sure if it was being tracked obesity was on a downward trend with all the restaurants being closed.  Politics is back to blaming each other and getting nothing done.  I'm more scared of society than getting the virus.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 18, 2020, 09:54:27 AM
There's a priest using a squirt gun to bless you with holy water when you drive up.   :hihi:  New twist to the drive by shooting.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on May 18, 2020, 01:04:53 PM
There's a priest using a squirt gun to bless you with holy water when you drive up.   :hihi:  New twist to the drive by shooting.

He must have been a fan of the Lost Boys


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 18, 2020, 06:47:06 PM
So Trump says he's been taking hydroxychloroquin and zpac. The same drug combo causing heart turn
Rhythm problems.  :nervous:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 18, 2020, 07:44:40 PM
So Trump says he's been taking hydroxychloroquin and zpac. The same drug combo causing heart turn
Rhythm problems.  :nervous:

Is he worried he hasn't been taking the proper precautions?  Started taking that last week when covid hit the white house people.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 18, 2020, 11:26:43 PM
So Trump says he's been taking hydroxychloroquin and zpac. The same drug combo causing heart turn
Rhythm problems.  :nervous:

Is he worried he hasn't been taking the proper precautions?  Started taking that last week when covid hit the white house people.
He said he's taking it as preventative.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: GypsySoul on May 19, 2020, 12:10:51 AM
So Trump says he's been taking hydroxychloroquin and zpac. The same drug combo causing heart turn
Rhythm problems.  :nervous:

No. President Trump said he is taking hydroxycholoroquine and ZINC.




Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 19, 2020, 12:37:46 AM
So Trump says he's been taking hydroxychloroquin and zpac. The same drug combo causing heart turn
Rhythm problems.  :nervous:

No. President Trump said he is taking hydroxycholoroquine and ZINC.




No, he said he's taken an initial dose of z-pak as well.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/trump-says-he-takes-hydroxychloroquine-to-prevent-coronavirus-infection.html


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on May 19, 2020, 07:13:01 AM
So Trump says he's been taking hydroxychloroquin and zpac. The same drug combo causing heart turn
Rhythm problems.  :nervous:

Also hell on the kidneys.....


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on May 19, 2020, 08:49:32 AM
He should take the zinc.  It's good for memory issues.  :hihi:

A place here has opened up the drive in for movies and concerts.  I loved the drive.  Nice to see it make a come back.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 20, 2020, 02:00:57 AM
He should take the zinc.  It's good for memory issues.  :hihi:

A place here has opened up the drive in for movies and concerts.  I loved the drive.  Nice to see it make a come back.
It is a great way to have gatherings in a safe way until it is safe for use of arenas and stadiums.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on May 20, 2020, 06:30:56 AM
It is a great way to have gatherings in a safe way until it is safe for use of arenas and stadiums.

My eldest is a high school senior, and her graduation is going to be sort of a drive up affair.  We're filling a HUGE parking lot (it's a small, suburban school...we only need a couple hundred spots).  Most of the graduation will be on two huge jumbotrons...and then each graduate will be able to get out of their car, walk up, get their diploma, and go back.

We'll take it!


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 20, 2020, 08:17:48 PM
It is a great way to have gatherings in a safe way until it is safe for use of arenas and stadiums.

My eldest is a high school senior, and her graduation is going to be sort of a drive up affair.  We're filling a HUGE parking lot (it's a small, suburban school...we only need a couple hundred spots).  Most of the graduation will be on two huge jumbotrons...and then each graduate will be able to get out of their car, walk up, get their diploma, and go back.

We'll take it!

That's a very creatine idea.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 21, 2020, 04:23:34 PM
It is a great way to have gatherings in a safe way until it is safe for use of arenas and stadiums.

My eldest is a high school senior, and her graduation is going to be sort of a drive up affair.  We're filling a HUGE parking lot (it's a small, suburban school...we only need a couple hundred spots).  Most of the graduation will be on two huge jumbotrons...and then each graduate will be able to get out of their car, walk up, get their diploma, and go back.

We'll take it!

That's a very creatine idea.

(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/5477774f-a9d0-4988-b495-d7757dfb5d9d_1.40611d3b642fb28f2d3507ecee28ac04.jpeg)


Sorry, I had to  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 21, 2020, 04:31:13 PM
This is funny , and accurate when it comes to some people.

Blue Pill People

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC_lZLzCrOI&fbclid=IwAR0Q6jDfkdV5y9PzgT9ZBwLdpXOaJxrgrix6sJbsyjhgeDnNvNI5_ILJ77c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC_lZLzCrOI&fbclid=IwAR0Q6jDfkdV5y9PzgT9ZBwLdpXOaJxrgrix6sJbsyjhgeDnNvNI5_ILJ77c)


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on May 25, 2020, 05:54:37 AM
Now they banned people flying in to the USA from Brazil since it has become a virus hot spot.

The president in Brazil meanwhile has done absolutely nothing to help the situation in his country. And now his idol in the USA has banned his countrymen from entering.




/jarmo



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on May 25, 2020, 07:41:01 PM
Brazil is a mess. They're number 2 in the world now as far as cases.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on June 03, 2020, 09:38:09 PM
Kind of forgot we have a Covid issue going on around here.  Wonder if it's over here?

I swear I've had more people over to my house during this pandemic then in the last two years.  I've had people delivering pants, buying plants, collecting the money and a remodeling crew here doing 2 of my bathrooms.  Not to count all the bored friends who just wanted to have some place to go.  :hihi:  I really miss that first week everybody was scared shitless and just hide out in their homes.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on June 04, 2020, 04:18:06 PM
Then there's the people who were blasting people on social media to stay home while going out themselves to do things other than work.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: sandman on June 05, 2020, 02:59:06 PM
Then there's the people who were blasting people on social media to stay home while going out themselves to do things other than work.

you mean all the politicians?  :hihi:

Stay home, because science.

But I will join protests in large groups with no social distancing, because feelings.

Going to the beach? Not ok. Protesting? absolutely! (as long as we agree with what your protesting about)


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on June 05, 2020, 07:54:31 PM
Then there's the people who were blasting people on social media to stay home while going out themselves to do things other than work.

you mean all the politicians?  :hihi:

Stay home, because science.

But I will join protests in large groups with no social distancing, because feelings.

Going to the beach? Not ok. Protesting? absolutely! (as long as we agree with what your protesting about)

Yeah that sums it up.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on June 05, 2020, 11:51:47 PM
Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on June 06, 2020, 10:35:16 AM
Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

But that's not the point.  You have people who would argue going to the public beach is their constitutional right.  What makes the beach unsafe for people right now is lack of social distancing which is even more pronounced in people gathering and marching in protest.  Covid doesn't exempt anyone because society has a higher priority over other constitutional protected activities.  It's just as dangerous to gather in protest as it is for any other gathering of people (according to science).


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on June 06, 2020, 02:13:51 PM
I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on June 06, 2020, 11:48:26 PM
Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

But that's not the point.  You have people who would argue going to the public beach is their constitutional right.  What makes the beach unsafe for people right now is lack of social distancing which is even more pronounced in people gathering and marching in protest.  Covid doesn't exempt anyone because society has a higher priority over other constitutional protected activities.  It's just as dangerous to gather in protest as it is for any other gathering of people (according to science).
All true but I think we can all agree this is more important then going to the beach or whatever.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on June 06, 2020, 11:49:14 PM
I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.
And the cops who perpetrated the attack have been charged.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on June 07, 2020, 08:48:36 AM
I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.
And the cops who perpetrated the attack have been charged.

And released on their own recognizance.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on June 08, 2020, 12:55:41 AM
I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.
And the cops who perpetrated the attack have been charged.

And released on their own recognizance.
I would rather they weren't but that's not uncommon while awaiting trial.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on June 09, 2020, 12:58:48 AM
I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.
And the cops who perpetrated the attack have been charged.

And released on their own recognizance.
I would rather they weren't but that's not uncommon while awaiting trial.

It is for the rest of us who commit minor offenses and have no reason to run away. 

One just needs to assume you are always on camera and every electronic communication could be public information.  They just caught a Ferguson officer on camera doing shit.  Unbelievable he would do that to begin with and especially now.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on June 09, 2020, 09:11:34 AM
Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on June 09, 2020, 09:41:20 AM
Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

The potential for exposure is the same in either situation. But one is OK and not the other.

Pretty much goes to show it was always about politics and not health.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on June 09, 2020, 12:45:38 PM
Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

The potential for exposure is the same in either situation. But one is OK and not the other.

Pretty much goes to show it was always about politics and not health.

They need to take a tip from the GNR fans.  We do a pretty good job of rioting online.  :hihi:

Went to Home Depot, Tuesday at 11 and the place is packed.  Think we're over covid prevention until it sneaks up and gets you.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on June 09, 2020, 03:04:07 PM
Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

The potential for exposure is the same in either situation. But one is OK and not the other.

Pretty much goes to show it was always about politics and not health.

They need to take a tip from the GNR fans.  We do a pretty good job of rioting online.  :hihi:

Went to Home Depot, Tuesday at 11 and the place is packed.  Think we're over covid prevention until it sneaks up and gets you.

Yep - but don't worry - WHO is now saying asymptamatic people may not be a risk to transmit
 ???

2020 - Lunacy


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on June 09, 2020, 03:12:22 PM
Europe is opening up slowly. The Spanish football league is restarting this week, without spectators.

Meanwhile things are getting worse elsewhere.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on June 10, 2020, 03:04:02 AM
Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

The potential for exposure is the same in either situation. But one is OK and not the other.

Pretty much goes to show it was always about politics and not health.

They need to take a tip from the GNR fans.  We do a pretty good job of rioting online.  :hihi:

Went to Home Depot, Tuesday at 11 and the place is packed.  Think we're over covid prevention until it sneaks up and gets you.

Yep - but don't worry - WHO is now saying asymptamatic people may not be a risk to transmit
 ???

2020 - Lunacy
Except they've already walked that back.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on June 10, 2020, 03:06:54 AM
Europe is opening up slowly. The Spanish football league is restarting this week, without spectators.

Meanwhile things are getting worse elsewhere.




/jarmo


Yep, my state had a record number of hospitalizations with covid-19 yesterday.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on June 10, 2020, 03:08:48 AM
Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

Ok beach was a bad example because most are public. No business is constitutionally required to open so you can do xyz. Point is there is no scenario where the government, federal, state or local can stop you from protesting. Closing things to protect the health of the public is completely different.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on June 10, 2020, 03:43:44 AM
I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.
And the cops who perpetrated the attack have been charged.

And released on their own recognizance.
I would rather they weren't but that's not uncommon while awaiting trial.

It is for the rest of us who commit minor offenses and have no reason to run away. 

One just needs to assume you are always on camera and every electronic communication could be public information.  They just caught a Ferguson officer on camera doing shit.  Unbelievable he would do that to begin with and especially now.

I agree they shouldn't have been released while awaiting trial.

Yep and that's not how  they're acting. Even with the world watching they just can't stop using excessive force and all around bad behavior.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on June 10, 2020, 06:37:01 AM
Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

The courts have said we have an ABRIDGED right to go to the beach (or a public park).  The caveat being if something in, on, or associated with that beach/park could reasonably effect the public (down to the individual level) health, the municipal agency that owns the park/beach can shut them down.  It's the same basic provision that applies when there is a bacteria water quality issue in parks with standing water: The states and/or fed can close those parks. The courts have consistently upheld that caveat.

And yes, to some extent, protesting on the beach might make it mostly "allright", at least legally.  I haven't seen any watermark case law that bears that out, though.  I suspect those protesters would face trespassing charges, as was the case in Miami:

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/woman-protesting-covid-19-closures-arrested-after-refusing-to-leave-miami-beach-cops/2231710/

Now, if you're talking about from a public health perspective....I'm of the mind it's NOT OK.  We'll see in a couple weeks if there is a spike.  They are outdoors.  In most places they're in warmer weather.  I see a lot of masks.  But it's still essentially creating a petri dish.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on June 10, 2020, 06:39:18 AM
The potential for exposure is the same in either situation. But one is OK and not the other.

Pretty much goes to show it was always about politics and not health.

The irony of this post is thick.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on June 10, 2020, 07:18:40 AM
Yep - but don't worry - WHO is now saying asymptamatic people may not be a risk to transmit
 ???

2020 - Lunacy

Not true.  They've clarified what they meant on that front.

The headlines were bad, and the research summary wasn't clear on the abstract.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on June 10, 2020, 07:22:49 AM
Yep - but don't worry - WHO is now saying asymptamatic people may not be a risk to transmit
 ???

2020 - Lunacy

Not true.  They've clarified what they meant on that front.

The headlines were bad, and the research summary wasn't clear on the abstract.

Yep they walked it back.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Mysteron on July 12, 2020, 05:15:20 AM
I don't know if anyone is reading down here. I was just wondering what the general mortality statistics were like in the US. Has there been a spike? Also, have other people with other conditions been affected by the covid. In the UK, it has been terrible for anyone with other conditions to access appropriate healthcare, especially early on. I think it's bad how they just shut out everyone else and just concentrated on the virus. 'They' say there is going to be a spike of cancer patient deaths soon because alot of their care has been abandoned.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 13, 2020, 05:59:43 PM
I don't know if anyone is reading down here. I was just wondering what the general mortality statistics were like in the US. Has there been a spike? Also, have other people with other conditions been affected by the covid. In the UK, it has been terrible for anyone with other conditions to access appropriate healthcare, especially early on. I think it's bad how they just shut out everyone else and just concentrated on the virus. 'They' say there is going to be a spike of cancer patient deaths soon because alot of their care has been abandoned.

Truthfully, I've been ignoring it.  Hard to know what's really going on with the way it's reported.  Where I'm at we're in round two and they blame the young people on wanting to party.  The hospitals aren't over ran.  They are laying people off.  Some folks wear masks, some don't.  Not business as usual but everybody seems to be out and about.  They're worried about getting the kids back in school.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 13, 2020, 10:35:39 PM
I don't know if anyone is reading down here. I was just wondering what the general mortality statistics were like in the US. Has there been a spike? Also, have other people with other conditions been affected by the covid. In the UK, it has been terrible for anyone with other conditions to access appropriate healthcare, especially early on. I think it's bad how they just shut out everyone else and just concentrated on the virus. 'They' say there is going to be a spike of cancer patient deaths soon because alot of their care has been abandoned.

Truthfully, I've been ignoring it.  Hard to know what's really going on with the way it's reported.  Where I'm at we're in round two and they blame the young people on wanting to party.  The hospitals aren't over ran.  They are laying people off.  Some folks wear masks, some don't.  Not business as usual but everybody seems to be out and about.  They're worried about getting the kids back in school.

I'm not sure where you are but the is not the case here in Texas. It is really bad the major metro area hospitals are filling up at a alarming rate. We have over 10k in the hospitals alone covid. We only have 58k beds in the entire state. Hospitals are requesting refrigerator trucks and federal assistance. A friend of mine works at. HCA Houston, every patient she's touching has covid.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 13, 2020, 11:44:50 PM
Is that your first round?  I'm just outside of St Louis.  Just deemed the hot spot of the state.

Our first round they saw coming and shut St Louis down thus shutting down my county since most folks work over there.  We had very few cases.  Most of the people catching it and dying were from the nursing homes.  The hospital my daughter is at had one floor just for covid and a second half prepared but not used.  As soon as they opened St Louis people went back to work and now it's spreading out here.  We're at the start of a second round that they are seeing in the 20 through 30 year old people.  They say they are socializing too much.  I say those highways were empty during rush hour when things were shut down and now they are packed when St Louis opened up.  There's a mask order there but I don't think it is preventing the spread from there back to here.  I don't think they will shut things down again so I'm being extra cautious.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on July 14, 2020, 06:47:15 AM
Truthfully, I've been ignoring it.  Hard to know what's really going on with the way it's reported.  Where I'm at we're in round two and they blame the young people on wanting to party.  The hospitals aren't over ran.  They are laying people off.  Some folks wear masks, some don't.  Not business as usual but everybody seems to be out and about.  They're worried about getting the kids back in school.

I have bad news for you: This is (from an epidemiology standpoint) still your first wave. It's never really crested and come down in Missouri (I'm assuming that's where you are since you mention St. Louis).  You never really came down from that 200 to 300 cases per day (which is where it's been since April) mark when you "reopened"...and now you're seeing 600 cases per day or so.

Mortalities have averaged about 10 per day, throughout.  We'll see if there is a following spike in mortalities about 2 weeks from now.....

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2020/03/10/us-coronavirus-map-tracking-united-states-outbreak/4945223002/

(You can scroll down about 1/2 way down and pick your state to see your daily cases and mortalities).


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on July 14, 2020, 06:53:25 AM
I don't know if anyone is reading down here. I was just wondering what the general mortality statistics were like in the US. Has there been a spike? Also, have other people with other conditions been affected by the covid. In the UK, it has been terrible for anyone with other conditions to access appropriate healthcare, especially early on. I think it's bad how they just shut out everyone else and just concentrated on the virus. 'They' say there is going to be a spike of cancer patient deaths soon because alot of their care has been abandoned.
So far, the mortality rate has been relatively controlled with the new round of outbreaks.

BUT, we're not far into it, yet.  We are just starting to see a national uptick in mortalities, and mortalities are a lagging metric compared to infections.  We'll see over the next couple weeks.

HOPEFULLY, the hotspots learned enough about treatment and PPE early on so that we can mitigate some of the mortalities and infection rate.

If you look at the states that decided to reopen early......MOSTLY red states...they have all faired worse than the states that have been more conservative (but are mostly run by liberals...figure that out).

I've seen it asserted that the surge is because more young people are being tested (or simply that more people are being tested...which is complete and utter bullshit), and the surge is from positive tests from them.  From the demos I've seen....that doesn't seem true.  We ARE seeing more young people tested....as testing has become more available and not based on symptoms...but the infection rate across the demos doesn't appear to be concentrated on one specific age range.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: sandman on July 14, 2020, 09:20:08 AM
a month ago, I knew one person with COVID. a friend of mine from work who lives in Brooklyn. he almost died. he's 60 and had other health issues. he's now back at work and still going through therapy.

today, I know 10 additional people that have had COVID. 1 in their 40s (Dallas, TX), 2 in their 20s, and 7 in their teens (all in PA). None of these people had serious symptoms, and some had none at all. they are all fully recovered.

the mortality rate has dropped significantly, which is great news.

If the Democrat governors of PA, NY, NJ, and MI did not put COVID patients in nursing homes, those states would have fared much better.
 


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on July 14, 2020, 01:08:45 PM
I have a friend who got it and all in his household followed suit. 2 adults early 40s and couple  kids under 12.  Kids had really minor symptoms (if any) and adults felt like shit for a few days and that's it. I haven't seen them since last year and they are the only people I know who got it. I'm in FL which if you listen to the news is exploding right now with positive cases.  I wear a mask when I'm out in public and work when I can as the client base is smaller than normal at this point.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 14, 2020, 06:03:31 PM
Truthfully, I've been ignoring it.  Hard to know what's really going on with the way it's reported.  Where I'm at we're in round two and they blame the young people on wanting to party.  The hospitals aren't over ran.  They are laying people off.  Some folks wear masks, some don't.  Not business as usual but everybody seems to be out and about.  They're worried about getting the kids back in school.

I have bad news for you: This is (from an epidemiology standpoint) still your first wave. It's never really crested and come down in Missouri (I'm assuming that's where you are since you mention St. Louis).  You never really came down from that 200 to 300 cases per day (which is where it's been since April) mark when you "reopened"...and now you're seeing 600 cases per day or so.

Mortalities have averaged about 10 per day, throughout.  We'll see if there is a following spike in mortalities about 2 weeks from now.....

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2020/03/10/us-coronavirus-map-tracking-united-states-outbreak/4945223002/

(You can scroll down about 1/2 way down and pick your state to see your daily cases and mortalities).

I was looking at the St Louis area first round.  Once they shut them and the county down it stopped the spread to the rest of the surrounding counties.  Rural Missouri didn't have a problem.  But once warmer weather hit, our secondary cities, for lack of a better term, began to get more cases.  We have some places that get a lot of tourist travel through them and farming businesses.  It's has spread to those cities and is working it's way out.

I've said all along, it hasn't begun to hit the USA.  It hit our big cities and was mostly contained there by the lockdowns.  But now that the lockdowns are lifted it's spreading again.  I don't think they want to lock us down again.  Masks help, hand washing helps but if you're leaving the house, may the odds be forever in your favor.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 15, 2020, 01:01:11 AM
Is that your first round?  I'm just outside of St Louis.  Just deemed the hot spot of the state.

Our first round they saw coming and shut St Louis down thus shutting down my county since most folks work over there.  We had very few cases.  Most of the people catching it and dying were from the nursing homes.  The hospital my daughter is at had one floor just for covid and a second half prepared but not used.  As soon as they opened St Louis people went back to work and now it's spreading out here.  We're at the start of a second round that they are seeing in the 20 through 30 year old people.  They say they are socializing too much.  I say those highways were empty during rush hour when things were shut down and now they are packed when St Louis opened up.  There's a mask order there but I don't think it is preventing the spread from there back to here.  I don't think they will shut things down again so I'm being extra cautious.

We are still knee deep in our first wave. We never actually lowered the curve much less flattened it. We were one of the first to pen up and it just exploded again.  https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-reports-highest-single-day-increase-in-15408346.php?fbclid=IwAR1ocSGFG2deminjXXuvSVKjlT1W6-LvXna-w1jQ7gjDbAOhF4rmtW9f59I our covid update from today.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 15, 2020, 09:59:16 PM
Is that your first round?  I'm just outside of St Louis.  Just deemed the hot spot of the state.

Our first round they saw coming and shut St Louis down thus shutting down my county since most folks work over there.  We had very few cases.  Most of the people catching it and dying were from the nursing homes.  The hospital my daughter is at had one floor just for covid and a second half prepared but not used.  As soon as they opened St Louis people went back to work and now it's spreading out here.  We're at the start of a second round that they are seeing in the 20 through 30 year old people.  They say they are socializing too much.  I say those highways were empty during rush hour when things were shut down and now they are packed when St Louis opened up.  There's a mask order there but I don't think it is preventing the spread from there back to here.  I don't think they will shut things down again so I'm being extra cautious.


We are still knee deep in our first wave. We never actually lowered the curve much less flattened it. We were one of the first to pen up and it just exploded again.  https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Texas-reports-highest-single-day-increase-in-15408346.php?fbclid=IwAR1ocSGFG2deminjXXuvSVKjlT1W6-LvXna-w1jQ7gjDbAOhF4rmtW9f59I our covid update from today.

We're getting highest single day numbers too but we're not getting the number hospitalized or death numbers reported on the news.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 16, 2020, 01:00:26 AM
We added another 87 deaths and over 10k new cases today.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 16, 2020, 05:31:40 PM
We added another 87 deaths and over 10k new cases today.

What are you doing to stay away from it?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 17, 2020, 01:49:37 AM
We added another 87 deaths and over 10k new cases today.

What are you doing to stay away from it?
Staying home, i'm disabled and don't drive and don't work. So it's not like i have to go out if i don't absolutely have to.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 17, 2020, 05:16:55 PM
We added another 87 deaths and over 10k new cases today.

What are you doing to stay away from it?
Staying home, i'm disabled and don't drive and don't work. So it's not like i have to go out if i don't absolutely have to.

I'm retired so I have the stay at home option too.  Although I've had more people at my house during a pandemic then I've had in the last 5 years.  That has come to a trickle.  I'm kind of looking forward to being here all alone. 


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 17, 2020, 11:30:41 PM
We added another 87 deaths and over 10k new cases today.

What are you doing to stay away from it?
Staying home, i'm disabled and don't drive and don't work. So it's not like i have to go out if i don't absolutely have to.

I'm retired so I have the stay at home option too.  Although I've had more people at my house during a pandemic then I've had in the last 5 years.  That has come to a trickle.  I'm kind of looking forward to being here all alone. 

Oh the irony lol.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 18, 2020, 01:04:56 AM
We added another 87 deaths and over 10k new cases today.

What are you doing to stay away from it?
Staying home, i'm disabled and don't drive and don't work. So it's not like i have to go out if i don't absolutely have to.

I'm retired so I have the stay at home option too.  Although I've had more people at my house during a pandemic then I've had in the last 5 years.  That has come to a trickle.  I'm kind of looking forward to being here all alone. 

Oh the irony lol.

Let me tell you, the first week of shutdown was lovely.  It was just me, the two cats and 500+ plants, all quiet on the western front.  The second week the text messages blew up my phone and then zoom meetings entered my life.  It exploded from there.  Now that people can get out and about I'm hoping they go back to their own shit.  I need a break from them.  I would like to do what I want to do. :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Mysteron on July 18, 2020, 07:02:35 PM
We had some official research in the UK that said 80 per cent of people get no symptoms, locally here in Scotland the hospitals are saying the strains here appear to have weakened, although that is not an official footing, and also 10% of people are dying in hospital as opposed to over 50% in the beginning due to varying factors, including better meds. The challenge now is to contain what we have, and not allow new strains from abroad.

Just what I've been told anyway


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 18, 2020, 09:51:39 PM
We had some official research in the UK that said 80 per cent of people get no symptoms, locally here in Scotland the hospitals are saying the strains here appear to have weakened, although that is not an official footing, and also 10% of people are dying in hospital as opposed to over 50% in the beginning due to varying factors, including better meds. The challenge now is to contain what we have, and not allow new strains from abroad.

Just what I've been told anyway

It's best guess from the professionals involved at this point.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 19, 2020, 12:07:21 AM
We had some official research in the UK that said 80 per cent of people get no symptoms, locally here in Scotland the hospitals are saying the strains here appear to have weakened, although that is not an official footing, and also 10% of people are dying in hospital as opposed to over 50% in the beginning due to varying factors, including better meds. The challenge now is to contain what we have, and not allow new strains from abroad.

Just what I've been told anyway

Even 10% is a lot of death.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Mysteron on July 19, 2020, 05:25:43 AM
We had some official research in the UK that said 80 per cent of people get no symptoms, locally here in Scotland the hospitals are saying the strains here appear to have weakened, although that is not an official footing, and also 10% of people are dying in hospital as opposed to over 50% in the beginning due to varying factors, including better meds. The challenge now is to contain what we have, and not allow new strains from abroad.

Just what I've been told anyway

It's best guess from the professionals involved at this point.

It is. I just hope it doesn't spike again at Xmas, because I go travelling about visiting relatives. I didn't have any holidays planned this year, so that's good. We were planning to go to Tokyo for the olympics, but we decided against it at the last minute which looks a good decision now.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 19, 2020, 12:22:56 PM
We had some official research in the UK that said 80 per cent of people get no symptoms, locally here in Scotland the hospitals are saying the strains here appear to have weakened, although that is not an official footing, and also 10% of people are dying in hospital as opposed to over 50% in the beginning due to varying factors, including better meds. The challenge now is to contain what we have, and not allow new strains from abroad.

Just what I've been told anyway

It's best guess from the professionals involved at this point.


It is. I just hope it doesn't spike again at Xmas, because I go travelling about visiting relatives. I didn't have any holidays planned this year, so that's good. We were planning to go to Tokyo for the olympics, but we decided against it at the last minute which looks a good decision now.

I try to look at everything from the upside.  I think we all benefited from the separation from each other.  ;D  People were getting pretty nasty with each other over social media.  Not to say that's not still happening but it seems to have swinged to a more "lets get along thing" with most folks.  Employers are finding out work from home does work.  An option a lot of people wanted.  Ordering online and picking up at the store has freed up time for people.  With time freed up people have become more creative and dreamy about what they could be doing.  Money that had to be spent around work activities can be redirected towards other needs and wants.  The world has a common cause and we've moved a tad closer to each other.

Not to say some folks aren't truly fucked with the whole situation but there are good things happening too.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 20, 2020, 08:19:18 AM
We had some official research in the UK that said 80 per cent of people get no symptoms, locally here in Scotland the hospitals are saying the strains here appear to have weakened, although that is not an official footing, and also 10% of people are dying in hospital as opposed to over 50% in the beginning due to varying factors, including better meds. The challenge now is to contain what we have, and not allow new strains from abroad.

Just what I've been told anyway

It's best guess from the professionals involved at this point.


It is. I just hope it doesn't spike again at Xmas, because I go travelling about visiting relatives. I didn't have any holidays planned this year, so that's good. We were planning to go to Tokyo for the olympics, but we decided against it at the last minute which looks a good decision now.

I try to look at everything from the upside.  I think we all benefited from the separation from each other.  ;D  People were getting pretty nasty with each other over social media.  Not to say that's not still happening but it seems to have swinged to a more "lets get along thing" with most folks.  Employers are finding out work from home does work.  An option a lot of people wanted.  Ordering online and picking up at the store has freed up time for people.  With time freed up people have become more creative and dreamy about what they could be doing.  Money that had to be spent around work activities can be redirected towards other needs and wants.  The world has a common cause and we've moved a tad closer to each other.

Not to say some folks aren't truly fucked with the whole situation but there are good things happening too.

Obviously you aren't paying close enough attention to the mask debates. I mean my lord. We've somehow made scientific facts political in this country. What is the matter with us lol. Look at the states that actually followed the CDC guidelines, have strict mask and social distancing guidelines. Look at western Europe. They have all flattened their curves and are doing reasonably well keeping it down. I just don't get the anti mask thing. Why wouldn't everyone want to do everything possible to keep each other safe. It seems like a no brainer to me.

If there is anything good to come out of all this i think the things you mentioned are it. I think covid-19 accelerated a lot of this, work from home, tele medicine, telelearning etc. My real hope is that it will give us all a good shove to really start tackling climate change.  Just like i hope the protesting leads to meaningful change in our criminal justice system and socioeconomic inequalities in our communities. We are supposed to be the greatest country on earth. We should really start acting as such.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 20, 2020, 11:05:16 AM
I'm ignoring the mask debate.  I've got 32 people wanting to know why they have to wear a mask outside on 5 acres of land when they are working in the hot sun and can't even see another person!  The obvious answer to that is if nobody sees you, nobody knows but I can't say that, position of authority here.  If you think you are about to pass out, take a break.  The rule says if you're on campus you must wear a mask at all times.  We're not talking about it.  :hihi:

I have GNR, Grateful Dead, John Deer and flamingo masks.  All completely dirt stained because a sweat soaked mask while cooler is less effective.  Sure those look great in public but I've got the thing on.  :D


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 21, 2020, 02:05:14 AM
haha nice, where did you get those?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 21, 2020, 06:20:11 PM
haha nice, where did you get those?

Made my own out of bandanas and people gave them to me.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 21, 2020, 10:29:34 PM
Oh cool


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 22, 2020, 11:37:42 PM
Did you see the coronavirus duct tape prom dress?

(https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2020_25/1580664/84291804_111127117306351_8741554022516592408_o_8bf1c160bb00def7ba5d4adbb8a3497b.fit-560w.jpg)

https://www.today.com/style/teen-makes-coronavirus-prom-dress-duck-tape-contest-t184355


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on July 25, 2020, 11:27:51 AM
Ive gotten myself into a scenario where I'm going to prove or disprove the effectiveness of a mask. I was in contact with someone on Monday that came down with symptoms of covid later that day and subsequently tested positive. We were both wearing masks. I get tested tomorrow, so far I have zero symptoms 5 days after exposure.  I haven't left my house since I found out, the whole self quarantine thing.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 25, 2020, 11:38:54 AM
Ive gotten myself into a scenario where I'm going to prove or disprove the effectiveness of a mask. I was in contact with someone on Monday that came down with symptoms of covid later that day and subsequently tested positive. We were both wearing masks. I get tested tomorrow, so far I have zero symptoms 5 days after exposure.  I haven't left my house since I found out, the whole self quarantine thing.

Damn man, i know we disagree on a great many things politically, but i sincerely hope you haven't contacted it, as well as your family and anyone else you came into contact with.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on July 25, 2020, 12:59:08 PM
Ive gotten myself into a scenario where I'm going to prove or disprove the effectiveness of a mask. I was in contact with someone on Monday that came down with symptoms of covid later that day and subsequently tested positive. We were both wearing masks. I get tested tomorrow, so far I have zero symptoms 5 days after exposure.  I haven't left my house since I found out, the whole self quarantine thing.

Damn man, i know we disagree on a great many things politically, but i sincerely hope you haven't contacted it, as well as your family and anyone else you came into contact with.

Thanks Tim, appreciate that. Ive been home since Tuesday afternoon, so thinking when I went out tues AM it would've been too soon for it to transfer from me to someone else ( if I have it) and I was masked up anyway,  found out thurs AM when my client gave me a heads up he was positive and subsequently cleared my work schedule for that day & the rest of the week.. I need to find out  if I still need to isolate next week at all if I test negative.  (I am not sure if they recommend that people isolate for 14 days even with a negative test. )


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 25, 2020, 01:24:26 PM
Ive gotten myself into a scenario where I'm going to prove or disprove the effectiveness of a mask. I was in contact with someone on Monday that came down with symptoms of covid later that day and subsequently tested positive. We were both wearing masks. I get tested tomorrow, so far I have zero symptoms 5 days after exposure.  I haven't left my house since I found out, the whole self quarantine thing.

Damn man, i know we disagree on a great many things politically, but i sincerely hope you haven't contacted it, as well as your family and anyone else you came into contact with.

Thanks Tim, appreciate that. Ive been home since Tuesday afternoon, so thinking when I went out tues AM it would've been too soon for it to transfer from me to someone else ( if I have it) and I was masked up anyway,  found out thurs AM when my client gave me a heads up he was positive and subsequently cleared my work schedule for that day & the rest of the week.. I need to find out  if I still need to isolate next week at all if I test negative.  (I am not sure if they recommend that people isolate for 14 days even with a negative test. )

Hoping your client has a speedy recovery as well. I'm thinking not, a friend of mine just a few days ago went to the ER because she thought she might have it. They told her to quarantine until she got the results. They were negative thankfully. She didn't have to quarantine any after the negative result.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 25, 2020, 07:27:47 PM
Scary stuff wish you both good health.

We just had a family party.  Normally everybody doesn't show up but this time we did.  Hopefully we didn't just kill the family off.  Probably should of thought of that before hand.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on July 26, 2020, 01:45:09 AM
I've seen so many stories about how outbreaks start after that  Hopefully none of you have it.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on July 26, 2020, 05:52:13 AM
Ive gotten myself into a scenario where I'm going to prove or disprove the effectiveness of a mask. I was in contact with someone on Monday that came down with symptoms of covid later that day and subsequently tested positive. We were both wearing masks. I get tested tomorrow, so far I have zero symptoms 5 days after exposure.  I haven't left my house since I found out, the whole self quarantine thing.

Wow.

Take care. Hoping for the best!



/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: sandman on July 26, 2020, 12:49:21 PM
Ive gotten myself into a scenario where I'm going to prove or disprove the effectiveness of a mask. I was in contact with someone on Monday that came down with symptoms of covid later that day and subsequently tested positive. We were both wearing masks. I get tested tomorrow, so far I have zero symptoms 5 days after exposure.  I haven't left my house since I found out, the whole self quarantine thing.

Good luck man. I hope u and your family stay healthy.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Mysteron on July 27, 2020, 02:33:13 PM
Ive gotten myself into a scenario where I'm going to prove or disprove the effectiveness of a mask. I was in contact with someone on Monday that came down with symptoms of covid later that day and subsequently tested positive. We were both wearing masks. I get tested tomorrow, so far I have zero symptoms 5 days after exposure.  I haven't left my house since I found out, the whole self quarantine thing.

Scary

I hope it comes to nothing.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 27, 2020, 05:11:46 PM
I don't get why the life guards got it.  Assuming their employer had the employees taking precautions, they normally sit up above the crowds, eyes on the water, no socializing.  They are outside with plenty of air flow.

Ooops never mind, they all went to the same party.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on July 27, 2020, 05:21:14 PM
Virus vaccine put to final test in thousands of volunteers
By LAURAN NEERGAARD and MICHAEL HILL
today

The world’s biggest COVID-19 vaccine study got underway Monday with the first of 30,000 planned volunteers helping to test shots created by the U.S. government -- one of several candidates in the final stretch of the global vaccine race.

There’s still no guarantee that the experimental vaccine, developed by the National Institutes of Health and Moderna Inc., will really protect.


Full story: https://apnews.com/d9150647d677cd036c03b8d0ab52358b





/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on July 28, 2020, 12:40:05 AM
Let's hope it works.

Okay, checked this one out.  One of the baseball teams has several members testing positive.  The expert talking about it said 6 feet isn't the magic number.  When you're working out a cough can go up to 23 feet.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on August 01, 2020, 03:35:04 PM
Tested negative on day 11 post exposure.  Never had symptoms. No one in my house did either.

Conclusion- Masks work.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on August 01, 2020, 06:54:59 PM
Tested negative on day 11 post exposure.  Never had symptoms. No one in my house did either.

Conclusion- Masks work.

Great news man, 11 days out i would say you are definitely safe. I believe it takes 2-10 on average to show symptoms. I wish more people would be like you with the masks. It just boggles my mind how inconsiderate people are about it. If we all just wore them and social distanced for a few months we probably could get back to almost normal until we get a vaccine or effective treatment.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on August 01, 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Tested negative on day 11 post exposure.  Never had symptoms. No one in my house did either.

Conclusion- Masks work.

Good to hear.

My conclusion would be mask might have worked.   :hihi:  I'm feeling like I need more protection than that.

I'm at this medical place, mask on.  They open the door and call my name.  Walk up and before I know it masked person had a gun to my forehead.  Okay, it was temperature taker and she was a nurse but she was holding it like a gun and it looked like a gun.  A little heads up would have been nice.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on August 02, 2020, 12:36:47 AM
Tested negative on day 11 post exposure.  Never had symptoms. No one in my house did either.

Conclusion- Masks work.

Good to hear.

My conclusion would be mask might have worked.   :hihi:  I'm feeling like I need more protection than that.

I'm at this medical place, mask on.  They open the door and call my name.  Walk up and before I know it masked person had a gun to my forehead.  Okay, it was temperature taker and she was a nurse but she was holding it like a gun and it looked like a gun.  A little heads up would have been nice.  :hihi:
It's strange this isn't the norm at every doctor or hospital. I saw my pcp on Monday, masks we mandatory but no temp check. My best friend had a Dr appt at an actual hospital yesterday same thing, masks but no temp check. You'd think at a hospital they'd be extra careful.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on August 02, 2020, 09:06:23 PM
Somebody brought up a good point today.  Your immune system is use to being out among people and has it's defences up against certain things like the common cold and flues.  It's use to fighting off certain stuff.  By staying away from people the defense system relaxes against those things and there is concern when you get exposed to these things again the defense system will be out of shape, so to speak, and you will catch these things easier.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: sandman on August 03, 2020, 12:18:35 PM
Tested negative on day 11 post exposure.  Never had symptoms. No one in my house did either.

Conclusion- Masks work.

 : ok:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on August 09, 2020, 11:20:57 PM
My mailman was out for a month with covid.  He lost 45 pounds and he wasn't over weight.  Never ended up in the hospital.  No clue how he got it.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on August 10, 2020, 12:37:46 AM
Wow that really sucks.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on August 10, 2020, 07:53:43 AM
It's strange this isn't the norm at every doctor or hospital. I saw my pcp on Monday, masks we mandatory but no temp check. My best friend had a Dr appt at an actual hospital yesterday same thing, masks but no temp check. You'd think at a hospital they'd be extra careful.

Contrast that with my place of employment...you can't walk into the place without a temp check and a mask.  I can't walk into my office...a block off the main medical campus...without the same thing.  We can't use elevator buttons (its all app controlled via your phone)...door handles have temporary, anti bacterial, wrappings on them (changed every 2 hours), and paper towel dispensors next to them so you can pull one out, open the door, and drop it in the waste basket on the other side.

And there are purell dispensers EVERYWHERE.

Combine that with the fact we have mostly moved to a work from home model.  I was already 80% work from home before this started.  I'm now in once a month for meetings.  They've moved the rest of the department...NONE of which was work from home, to the same schedule.  We go in for meetings and to train new employees, basically.

This model isn't going to change post COVID, either.  This is our new normal.  Productivity has gone up and the company is saving on overhead.  This is true of a LOT of the ancillary departments who don't provide direct patient care.  I think MANY companies are probably going to go this route......


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on August 10, 2020, 04:59:53 PM
It's strange this isn't the norm at every doctor or hospital. I saw my pcp on Monday, masks we mandatory but no temp check. My best friend had a Dr appt at an actual hospital yesterday same thing, masks but no temp check. You'd think at a hospital they'd be extra careful.

Contrast that with my place of employment...you can't walk into the place without a temp check and a mask.  I can't walk into my office...a block off the main medical campus...without the same thing.  We can't use elevator buttons (its all app controlled via your phone)...door handles have temporary, anti bacterial, wrappings on them (changed every 2 hours), and paper towel dispensors next to them so you can pull one out, open the door, and drop it in the waste basket on the other side.

And there are purell dispensers EVERYWHERE.

Combine that with the fact we have mostly moved to a work from home model.  I was already 80% work from home before this started.  I'm now in once a month for meetings.  They've moved the rest of the department...NONE of which was work from home, to the same schedule.  We go in for meetings and to train new employees, basically.

This model isn't going to change post COVID, either.  This is our new normal.  Productivity has gone up and the company is saving on overhead.  This is true of a LOT of the ancillary departments who don't provide direct patient care.  I think MANY companies are probably going to go this route......

As bad as covid has been i think this will be one of the good things to come from it. A lot of this was already starting but covid accelerated it.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on August 11, 2020, 01:18:51 AM
It's strange this isn't the norm at every doctor or hospital. I saw my pcp on Monday, masks we mandatory but no temp check. My best friend had a Dr appt at an actual hospital yesterday same thing, masks but no temp check. You'd think at a hospital they'd be extra careful.

Contrast that with my place of employment...you can't walk into the place without a temp check and a mask.  I can't walk into my office...a block off the main medical campus...without the same thing.  We can't use elevator buttons (its all app controlled via your phone)...door handles have temporary, anti bacterial, wrappings on them (changed every 2 hours), and paper towel dispensors next to them so you can pull one out, open the door, and drop it in the waste basket on the other side.

And there are purell dispensers EVERYWHERE.

Combine that with the fact we have mostly moved to a work from home model.  I was already 80% work from home before this started.  I'm now in once a month for meetings.  They've moved the rest of the department...NONE of which was work from home, to the same schedule.  We go in for meetings and to train new employees, basically.

This model isn't going to change post COVID, either.  This is our new normal.  Productivity has gone up and the company is saving on overhead.  This is true of a LOT of the ancillary departments who don't provide direct patient care.  I think MANY companies are probably going to go this route......

As bad as covid has been i think this will be one of the good things to come from it. A lot of this was already starting but covid accelerated it.

I think people are a lot happier with the work from home.  Not as many folks on the road.  Get rid of some of those office building.  Keep them from eating out at lunch.  Could be a good thing for society in the long run.

You would think parents would want kids in school so they can work but over half of them are electing to keep the kids home when give a choice between that or school attendance.  It certainly reduces your kid being bullied at school or harmed.  May be a new norm coming for education too.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on August 12, 2020, 07:01:39 AM

You would think parents would want kids in school so they can work but over half of them are electing to keep the kids home when give a choice between that or school attendance.  It certainly reduces your kid being bullied at school or harmed.  May be a new norm coming for education too.

We are keeping our 2 home.  It would be a LOT harder of a decision, but my youngest has reactive airway disease that leads to ARDS when she gets a bad cold.  We're not risking symptomatic COVID with her.  So she stays home and so does her brother.  At least for now.  They're older, though, so there's not A LOT that I need to do for them in terms of riding herd on their education.  Make sure they do their homework and that my son hits the freaking submit button.

Our schools are doing a hybrid model, and, were there no health issues in the house, I'd probably lean toward sending them.

Having said that: Schools are petri dishes and kids...even older kids...can't keep their freaking hands off each other.  My oldest graduated this past spring...outdoor "drive in" graduation in their parking lot, masked to get their diploma and lines with 6 feet of distance between kids. 

As soon as we arrived, these kids (NOT my kid) were out of the cars, many without masks, all over each other.  Snuggling up to take pictures, hugging their friends who they hadn't seen, well within each others personal spaces.  They literally had to send out faculty to roam the parking lot and break the kids up.

I suspect that's going to be every day at school...and our low numbers in CT are going to balloon once school is back in session.  We'll see.....

 


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on August 20, 2020, 09:38:13 PM
Masks are like bras
you're not sure the last time you washed it.  :hihi:



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on September 02, 2020, 02:39:26 PM
Some great news on the Covid front.

Fauci predicts 'safe and effective' coronavirus vaccine by end of year

Sept. 2, 2020, 8:52 AM EDT / Updated Sept. 2, 2020, 8:58 AM EDT
By Elisha Fieldstadt

Dr. Anthony Fauci predicts that a coronavirus vaccine will be developed by the end of 2020.

"I believe that by the time we get to the end of this calendar year that we will feel comfortable that we do have a safe and effective vaccine," Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on NBC's "TODAY" on Wednesday.

More - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fauci-predicts-safe-effective-coronavirus-vaccine-end-year-n1239055 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fauci-predicts-safe-effective-coronavirus-vaccine-end-year-n1239055)

Lets not allow 2020 to fuck with 2021.  :hihi:

 


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on September 02, 2020, 04:51:43 PM
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has told public health officials around the United States to prepare to distribute a potential coronavirus vaccine as soon as late October. It also provided planning scenarios to help states prepare.
The documents were posted by The New York Times and the CDC confirmed to CNN it has sent them to city and state public health officials.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/02/health/cdc-covid-19-vaccine-distribution/index.html





/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on September 02, 2020, 05:31:24 PM
Some great news on the Covid front.

Fauci predicts 'safe and effective' coronavirus vaccine by end of year

Sept. 2, 2020, 8:52 AM EDT / Updated Sept. 2, 2020, 8:58 AM EDT
By Elisha Fieldstadt

Dr. Anthony Fauci predicts that a coronavirus vaccine will be developed by the end of 2020.

"I believe that by the time we get to the end of this calendar year that we will feel comfortable that we do have a safe and effective vaccine," Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on NBC's "TODAY" on Wednesday.

More - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fauci-predicts-safe-effective-coronavirus-vaccine-end-year-n1239055 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fauci-predicts-safe-effective-coronavirus-vaccine-end-year-n1239055)

Lets not allow 2020 to fuck with 2021.  :hihi:

 

I would say a generally safe bet.

We are at about 50% enrollment on the phase 3 phizer trial. I would expect they are looking at mid to late november to wrap up phase 3, at the current pace.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 02, 2020, 06:51:54 PM
Guess I better get out there and get my flu shot and get that out of the way.   Wonder if they will vaccine the kids at school again.  They did that back in the 60's.

I can keep isolating.  The rest of you guinea pigs can step to the front of the line.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on September 04, 2020, 04:12:49 AM
How many will actually take it though? In addition to just your regular anti vax nuts, you have large swaths of Trumpers that don't trust Fauci. Then of course even more who don't trust Trump.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 04, 2020, 08:52:22 AM
How many will actually take it though? In addition to just your regular anti vax nuts, you have large swaths of Trumpers that don't trust Fauci. Then of course even more who don't trust Trump.

Schools, employers, nursing homes are going to require it.  People are basically stuck getting it.  My question is who's paying for this?  States are being told they are the distributors.  What's the rest of the world think?  Have they developed something too?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on September 04, 2020, 10:47:24 AM
Schools, employers, nursing homes are going to require it.  People are basically stuck getting it.  My question is who's paying for this?  States are being told they are the distributors.  What's the rest of the world think?  Have they developed something too?

Probably, eventually.  Not right out of the chute.  Right out of the chute, they are going to likely (if the plan being shared with pfizer is the way things go) target high risk groups, healthcare workers, and front line workers in that order.  I would expect more public availability to be some time in mid winter.

We got our data update yesterday.  PFizer has now enrolled about 2/3 of the patients we need (30k) and will probably have phase 3 results in late October/early November.  Faucci is, I think, pretty close on timelines here.  Late November/Early December sounds plausible, DEPENDING on the results of the trial.  

I would guess mandates start to roll out in mid to late 2021.  By then, production should be able to handle that kind of volume.  You can't roll out a mandate until there are enough vaccines distributed to hit everyone, because you can't hold people accountable with their jobs if they can't find a dose.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: jarmo on September 04, 2020, 01:00:51 PM
Russia's COVID-19 vaccine showed antibody response in initial trials

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine/results-of-russias-covid-19-vaccine-produced-antibody-response-the-lancet-idUSKBN25V1I2?il=0




/jarmo


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 04, 2020, 09:50:03 PM
Looks like Australia is getting close too.   https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/australia/australia-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html

And China is working in phase 3.  https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-08-29/Four-Chinese-COVID-19-vaccines-undergoing-phase-3-clinical-trials-TlfVjaYUSI/index.html



Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on September 07, 2020, 07:16:44 AM
Schools, employers, nursing homes are going to require it.  People are basically stuck getting it.  My question is who's paying for this?  States are being told they are the distributors.  What's the rest of the world think?  Have they developed something too?

Probably, eventually.  Not right out of the chute.  Right out of the chute, they are going to likely (if the plan being shared with pfizer is the way things go) target high risk groups, healthcare workers, and front line workers in that order.  I would expect more public availability to be some time in mid winter.

We got our data update yesterday.  PFizer has now enrolled about 2/3 of the patients we need (30k) and will probably have phase 3 results in late October/early November.  Faucci is, I think, pretty close on timelines here.  Late November/Early December sounds plausible, DEPENDING on the results of the trial.  

I would guess mandates start to roll out in mid to late 2021.  By then, production should be able to handle that kind of volume.  You can't roll out a mandate until there are enough vaccines distributed to hit everyone, because you can't hold people accountable with their jobs if they can't find a dose.

Aren't all these companies making hundreds of millions of doses whether the vaccine shows efficacy or not? So they can hopefully rollout faster?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 07, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
Schools, employers, nursing homes are going to require it.  People are basically stuck getting it.  My question is who's paying for this?  States are being told they are the distributors.  What's the rest of the world think?  Have they developed something too?

Probably, eventually.  Not right out of the chute.  Right out of the chute, they are going to likely (if the plan being shared with pfizer is the way things go) target high risk groups, healthcare workers, and front line workers in that order.  I would expect more public availability to be some time in mid winter.

We got our data update yesterday.  PFizer has now enrolled about 2/3 of the patients we need (30k) and will probably have phase 3 results in late October/early November.  Faucci is, I think, pretty close on timelines here.  Late November/Early December sounds plausible, DEPENDING on the results of the trial.  

I would guess mandates start to roll out in mid to late 2021.  By then, production should be able to handle that kind of volume.  You can't roll out a mandate until there are enough vaccines distributed to hit everyone, because you can't hold people accountable with their jobs if they can't find a dose.

Aren't all these companies making hundreds of millions of doses whether the vaccine shows efficacy it not? So they can hopefully rollout faster?

I thought I saw a report on that too.  And there's the report states are being told to get ready to disperse the vaccines.  Says to me they will vaccinate the kids in schools.  But they are saying high risks groups first which doesn't include the majority of people.  Once there is a vaccine I can see people being done with masks and social distancing.  It may spread faster.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on September 07, 2020, 10:48:18 AM
Jus fyi, please forgive any spelling errors i make in the next few days. My dumbass cut my pinky pretty good with some scissors and typing with the finger bandaged isn't easy lol.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 07, 2020, 11:33:20 PM
Jus fyi, please forgive any spelling errors i make in the next few days. My dumbass cut my pinky pretty good with some scissors and typing with the finger bandaged isn't easy lol.

I do that with my pruners every once in a while.  Those hurt and take forever to heal.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 11, 2020, 12:41:21 PM
We got some good news on the covid front.  Death rates peeked in May at 11 percent.  While it's spreading, the death rate is under 1 percent.  Overall death rate is less than 2 percent.  Not sure what all that data means in the big picture but less people have been dying.

Off to get my flu shot, mask in pocket.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: pilferk on September 11, 2020, 12:49:58 PM
We got some good news on the covid front.  Death rates peeked in May at 11 percent.  While it's spreading, the death rate is under 1 percent.  Overall death rate is less than 2 percent.  Not sure what all that data means in the big picture but less people have been dying.

Off to get my flu shot, mask in pocket.

Couple of things:

We have gotten WAY better at treatment in the intervening months.  We have learned that things like proning patients and vitamin D supplements and a whole host of other things can effect outcomes.  That has helped our mortality rate a ton.

We are testing more people now...not just the sickest of the sick...so our "n" gets bigger as the mortality figures get smaller for reasons above.  Those things combined lead to a lower mortality rate.

Definitely all good things!


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 11, 2020, 06:18:05 PM
We got some good news on the covid front.  Death rates peeked in May at 11 percent.  While it's spreading, the death rate is under 1 percent.  Overall death rate is less than 2 percent.  Not sure what all that data means in the big picture but less people have been dying.

Off to get my flu shot, mask in pocket.

Couple of things:

We have gotten WAY better at treatment in the intervening months.  We have learned that things like proning patients and vitamin D supplements and a whole host of other things can effect outcomes.  That has helped our mortality rate a ton.

We are testing more people now...not just the sickest of the sick...so our "n" gets bigger as the mortality figures get smaller for reasons above.  Those things combined lead to a lower mortality rate.

Definitely all good things!

I assume everybody got better at treating.  It's hard to tell from my state.  We have two metropolitan areas on opposite sides of the state and only two, what would be considered bigger towns.  The rest of the state is rural with smaller towns.  We have areas where the cases are still very low.  But now those areas have kids going back to school and sports teams playing.  I would expect their numbers to start going up and because they don't have medical care easily accessible, the really sick numbers may go up.

I feel bad for the kids who can't play sports.  They were counting on those scholarships to pay for college.  When we are finally back to normal we may see some college teams made up of sophomores and juniors and the senior students in the minority in a few years from now.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 14, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
I made the covid news.  :hihi:  The news station asked for pictures of fun things you were doing being locked down at home.  I sent them pictures of a bunch of decoy ducks I put all over my neighbor's yard.  "Quaking up the neighborhood."


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on September 15, 2020, 10:12:11 AM
That's hilarious.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 15, 2020, 05:31:22 PM
That's hilarious.

There was 24 of them.  They were everywhere!  :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 22, 2020, 10:58:57 PM
I was informed today that there are people who think the government is putting chips on the q-tip thingy they put in your nose for the test.  They are also putting chips in the vaccine.   :hihi:


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on September 23, 2020, 12:49:08 AM
I was informed today that there are people who think the government is putting chips on the q-tip thingy they put in your nose for the test.  They are also putting chips in the vaccine.   :hihi:
Propoganda is a helluva drug.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 23, 2020, 02:22:50 AM
I was informed today that there are people who think the government is putting chips on the q-tip thingy they put in your nose for the test.  They are also putting chips in the vaccine.   :hihi:
Propoganda is a helluva drug.

I was thinking drugs was the solution there.  Somebody has a mental health issue.

I thought about signing up for one of the 'test the vaccine on you' people.  They want people who have increased exposure.  Just the way they phrased it, I don't think I would qualify.  It's a good thing they are testing the vaccine that way.  Sorry for those folks who are in situations where they can't social distance, trapped in places without good air flow or enough PPE.  We have a whole new group of unsung heroes out there.  The crazies make a lot of noise and get a lot of attention while our heroes go about quietly getting the work done.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on September 27, 2020, 12:41:02 AM
I was informed today that there are people who think the government is putting chips on the q-tip thingy they put in your nose for the test.  They are also putting chips in the vaccine.   :hihi:
Propoganda is a helluva drug.

I was thinking drugs was the solution there.  Somebody has a mental health issue.

I thought about signing up for one of the 'test the vaccine on you' people.  They want people who have increased exposure.  Just the way they phrased it, I don't think I would qualify.  It's a good thing they are testing the vaccine that way.  Sorry for those folks who are in situations where they can't social distance, trapped in places without good air flow or enough PPE.  We have a whole new group of unsung heroes out there.  The crazies make a lot of noise and get a lot of attention while our heroes go about quietly getting the work done.

So they're looking for people who know they have been exposed to covid-19?


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 27, 2020, 01:20:10 AM
I was informed today that there are people who think the government is putting chips on the q-tip thingy they put in your nose for the test.  They are also putting chips in the vaccine.   :hihi:
Propoganda is a helluva drug.

I was thinking drugs was the solution there.  Somebody has a mental health issue.

I thought about signing up for one of the 'test the vaccine on you' people.  They want people who have increased exposure.  Just the way they phrased it, I don't think I would qualify.  It's a good thing they are testing the vaccine that way.  Sorry for those folks who are in situations where they can't social distance, trapped in places without good air flow or enough PPE.  We have a whole new group of unsung heroes out there.  The crazies make a lot of noise and get a lot of attention while our heroes go about quietly getting the work done.

So they're looking for people who know they have been exposed to covid-19?

For people who are at high risk for exposure.  Normally I'm at home (party is over at my house) or outdoors with very few people at a distance.  Most days I have no face to face contact with people.  Life is good.  :D

My neighbor just got contact traced out of work for two weeks.  He can't get tested because he doesn't have any symptoms.  The guy he was around said he had come in contact with somebody who tested positive but the guy hasn't been tested either.  The employer is over cautious but is paying him.  The whole department got sent home and told to self isolate.


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: tim_m on September 27, 2020, 07:09:34 PM
Yikes


Title: Re: Covid-19 (not gnr related)
Post by: cineater on September 28, 2020, 01:05:43 AM
Yikes

I'm buying into the thought it will get worse as cold weather sets in.  People will be back inside and we have the holidays coming up.  Not buying the trick or treat ban.  I'm up here and the kids are down there.  A few seconds to drop candy in the bag.  Not taking that from the kids.