Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I see Metallica streamed pro shot footage of gig from last year and you can watch on youtube anytime. You think GnR may do something, even some old gigs?

I’d love them to but I sincerely and regrettably consider that this will NOT happen.

Would be awesome but won’t happen. Closest we will get is those Sirius XM shows. For GNR to deliver what Metallica did yesterday and the quality of the stream isn’t in the books.

None of the above. It was a fan’s idea given what the world is going through. Metallica is doing this every week as I understand and is playing some great shows for free for the world. Shoot, Austin City Limits just opened their massive vaults for free so people can stream and stay home. It is a good idea for GNR too but it won’t happen. No $$$ in it.

Besides Metallica, what I have watched so far is Dropkick Murphy's, Motorhead and a local Balkan band. Radiohead are doing the same and I am considering watching it this evening. I even hosted a watch party for a first time in my life in Facebook for the Motorhead show yesterday. It was cool as plenty of my Facebook friends joined. I liked it. I will make one this evening for Radiohead. And yes, I will have a blast if there is a GN'R one. Hopefully they will put some.   

From what I’ve read they shot the LA show in 2016 for a possible future release so maybe they will steam this?
Would be nice to get something like that from the band.  : ok:

Slash's cat video was pretty cool.  :D  Cat going for a ride in the car is always a dangerous adventure.  :hihi:

The answer is: We don't know.

We don't know who owns the footage that was shot.  It may have been committed to the label and a specific production company.  You can't just release the shows without involving those entities, or whoever was given rights to the footage.

They could ask, if they were of a mind, but we have no idea what the answer would be.

Would be great to get some kind of show to keep us going while stuck in doors at this time.
I wouldn’t mind paying for the stream.

They should let people post all the stuff they keep taking down for a short time.  Several performances I would love to see that have disappeared over the years from YouTube.   

The Dead are streaming a show every Friday night and asking for a donation to MusiCares COVID-19 Relief Fund.  I donated in the name of the Grateful Dead.  I'd like to do that again in GNR's name.  :D

It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken
Perhaps they're better left unsung
I don't know, don't really care
Let there be songs to fill the air

Amen

As of 2012 Metallica operates under its own record label, owns all masters, has independent distribution deals, capability to press vinyl... everything.  GNR basically belongs to Universal Music Group, so just a guess but they likely have much less control over doing this kind of thing. 

There's your answer.  Also, even if GNR could do something like this, why would people already jump to the assumption they're not doing it because they don't want to?  Metallica just started their thing last week.

"For musicians unable to tour, UMG plans to provide them with the “tools and platforms” they need to reach fans during this time. Many artists have already turned to livestreaming as a way to connect with fans and make up some of the income they lost from concert cancellations, and UMG will help them easily share their work on every possible platform. The label’s Universal Music app will additionally offer enhanced data so that artists can best reach their fans."


https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/universal-music-group-coronavirus-relief-plan-all-together-now-975198/





Come on GN'R, make use of the opportunity.

I have my doubts that Guns have some kind of 360 contract where they don’t own their own live shows, releasing them for sale may be a different case but I doubt Universal were involved when they sold the show to Sirius xm for example.

What would they live stream?







/jarmo

Any show from 2016 to 2020?

They mention livestreaming as a way to connect with the fans, not necessarily the only option.

Metallica is going the "streaming older shows" route for instance.

Live Nation has prepared an overview: https://www.livenation.com/livefromhome

SiriusXM just announced starting today it is letting everyone listen for free until May 15th.

So which ones do they have filmed, recorded, mixed and ready for streaming?

Rock In Rio 2017 was on TV. So that one maybe, but I'm not sure if they own the rights to it.




/jarmo

Dodger stadium 2016, Troubadour 2016 and Coachella are the only ones I know about besides Rio.
There could be more and Coachella footage may require a release from the festival but I think any of these would be great for fans.

So you're saying those are ready for streaming?

Just because something was filmed, doesn't mean it's ready for streaming/release.





/jarmo

If a whole show is too much of a hassle, maybe individual songs?

I think, to be fair, the band should be professionally recording a lot of their shows for their own future. It's a bit odd if they have not done so.

It would be a good time now to have a presence while people are at home. It's a good time to innovate

I don't know what's been recorded, professionally, to be honest.

I remember there being a film crew at the Dodger Stadium show. But then all the other shows do have a video crew with cameras that they use for the screens. Now I don't know if that's recorded or not.




/jarmo

It will be, I'd be very surprised if the band didn't record the shows.

I don’t know if they have it edited and mixed but that is something that could be done remotely if not already done in this forced downtime.

Yes you could. If you have a plan to release/stream it.




/jarmo

I have a feeling that I read somewhere that a band takes away that recording every night as part of the agreement to do the gig. I honestly can't remember when or where I read that though, so it could well be wrong, or vary between acts.

I would suppose that they probably do to be honest, otherwise I think it would all very quickly fall into the hands of bootleggers.

I don't know.

Like i mentioned earlier, there are multiple cameras shooting the show for the screens. There's a video director who directs the footage (specific footage for the songs, camera footage). I don't know if this is recorded.





/jarmo

Is the video director part of the tour or part of the venue staff?

Didn't they record every show from 1991-1993? If they could do it back then, why not today? Especially for such a historically momentous tour as NITL. Hell, they could release some stuff like Saskatchewan '93 and I'd be as happy as a pig in shit could be.

The video crew is part of the tour. So basically they're responsible for what you see on the screens during the shows.

They set it up, operate the cameras, direct the footage on the screens etc.



/jarmo

Thanks. I always wondered if bands brought their own or if the people worked for the venue.

I would assume most bigger tours have their own.

Same with lights, audio and so on.




/jarmo

From someone who worked at an arena type venue a LONG LONG LONG time ago (so long ago, the venue no longer exists and is a parking lot, now):

They have the RIGHT to do that (record footage of the gig and take it with them). Whether they do or not is their choice.  We had acts that would do that pretty much every show, and acts who never did it...and everything in between. At least that was true back in the early-mid 90s.

Maybe it's changed, and digital storage has gotten cheap and portable...but I suspect not.  Unless you plan to release something, that footage isn't really all that useful past the night of the show.  Not like acts were thinking: "Hey, if there's a global pandemic someday....this footage would be really useful when everyone is stuck at home."

Didn't they record (almost) every show in the 90ies? I think I read that somewhere a couple years ago.
So it would reasonable to stick to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8rVM8GlD4c

This is how it's done.  Axl said Deadheads welcome.  Every Friday night just about this time if you need music.  :D


Grateful Dead MusiCares COVID-19 Relief Fund
Let ‘Em Know There’s A Little Help On The Way
Total raised: $20,444

Kept 15,000 of us off the street.  I'd like to give a little bit more in the name of GNR.  ;D

I just noticed several songs from Chicago '92 are up on the official Youtube page, although they aren't easy to find:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gy2QU3P1pI

Doesn't seem like something they (GN'R) added.

Seems more like it's been added automatically by some other music distributor. Just like these companies sell bootleg CDs/DVDs on Amazon, I guess they've started popping up on YouTube as well.

I've seen bootlegs on Spotify as well and I doubt the artists added those.




/jarmo

Interesting, I thought the artists had control of these Youtube accounts going by their names. I mean, they did release the AFD boxset promos through that same account:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHakH5MY0c8

The videos aren't on the GN'R YouTube page. You can't see them when you go to the GN'R channel and look at the videos there.

They just show up in the GN'R "topic".

When it says "Provided to YouTube by ......" it wasn't uploaded by the official GN'R channel...



/jarmo

Yes youtube works that way, when your channel is verified and gets the musical quaver beside the name anything that any digital distributor uploads gets tagged with your channel  : ok: (same with spotify apparently).

Download have decided to go virtual and stream old performances so might be a possibility of streaming the 2018 headline appearance. Lineup yet to be announced

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-52306714

Hope so, but chances are slim I'm afraid. GN'R hasn't exactly been willing to share much in the past...

I'd love to see Leeds 2002 shown, infact the whole day, but that one was a will they or won't they show up vibe, and as the start time passed because of problems with the Prodigy set break down. Then they hit the stage only to be told at they would have to finish early, Axl had a rant, Leeds council said continue its okay to past the curfew and a stellar show ensued.  Ladies and gentlemen let me introduce to you, Buckethead... : ok: Totally badass show.

No disrespect to the band today, but that show had everything that was the good, bad and the ugly, to me it was the best buildup to a show that I've been to. The others musically may have been better, but as an event, this had everything.

I feel the same actually. Probably the best time I've seen them....remember that huge gap after Prodigy, the tension building, not knowing what to expect or whether they'd even be there? Fantastic.

That show felt totally special, as you'd say. It also felt that the people there to see GNR weren't many, but the excitement among the ones that were was huge. It was probably a time when 'casual' fans didn't exist - the band had been in the wilderness so long. And the industry was different too, and less geared up the nonstop nostalgia that it is now.

I also remember how bad The Prodigy were! The singer actually acknowledged it from the stage (something like 'we'll be off the stage soon') and they seemed genuinely apologetic. I later read that they ranked that show as the worst they ever did and considered splitting up because of it!

The whole show was up on youtube a few years ago.....sadly it's been wiped now and I don't have a visual copy.

I really doubt that will start streaming any of the Buckethead era shows, if there was going to be a show streamed you’d imagine it would be from the current lineup and yes, even with that there is only a slim chance.

I agree with this, it has the infamous reply to the "Where's Slash " rant, "fuckhead go home,,,,"

https://www.livenation.com/livefromhome

This seems to be the go to place for live streaming from bands, updated daily with new gigs streamed.

I have to give a shout out to these live streams.  :D  The ones I'm watching are taking charitable donations.  Each show is running around $10,000 in donations.  Caught Metallica on Monday, had never seen them.  Watching Phish now, never seen them either.

I am following Billboard on this. Link below. So far, I've watched Metallica, Dropkick Murphy's, Radiohead and Cypress Hill. At least those are the ones I was interested watching.


https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/9335531/coronavirus-quarantine-music-events-online-streams

https://gnrtruth.com/thread/9291/quarantine-hangs-frank-ferrer-video  Thanks to GNRTruth for this find.  Lets see what Frank is up to.

Pink Floyd is streaming fridays, they released Pulse last week! tommorow comes live from pompeii  : ok:

Yeah, I watched last week as well. Fantastic. I'd die for the Venice one.  :peace:

Speaking of webcasts, I was rewatching Velvet Revolver's 2007 Myspace webcast. I wish they would release that from the original master source because all the webcast recordings have the kind of crappy streaming quality that 2007 had to offer.

Apparently Metallica will be streaming some shows from the 1992 tour with Guns over the next few weeks.

Got those both in DVD. Great shows.

It would be great if you'd post the links when they are happening.  :D

I believe they're going to be releasing live stuff on youtube. I hope it's full shows and not clips and that it's shows we haven't seen before rather than the pro-shot bootlegs we've all seen.
Still holding out hope for one day being able to watch Wembley 92.
 

Sorry, just seen Jarmo started separate thread for this.

It's been stated that it won't be full shows I think.

Wasn’t Wembley 92 the Freddie Mercury show?
They played Wembley in 1991 also, it was one of Izzy’s last shows.

They played Wembley once more. In june 1992 I think.

They played Wembley in 1992 as part of the Freddie Mercury tribute and then in the summer as a headlining show.

The show was on June 13th, 1992 and Brian May joined GN'R to perform Queen's "Tie Your Mother Down" and "We Will Rock You".



/jarmo

Thanks for clearing that up.

I'd like to see them stream the Paris 92 show that was on pay per view.

The single best GNR show ever, IMO. Everyone is on fire and Slash's solo for Double Talkin Jive is in another world.

Yeah the only disappointment of that show was Jeff Beck unable to participate at the last minute to play Locamotive.

There’s a blu ray of that show made by fans in great quality going around online.

Yes Wembley 92 I was referring to the gig on June 13th not the Freddie Mercury one. Decent bootleg available but apart from bit with Brian May I've never seen any footage of it. My first gig at 16 years old. A brilliant concert.
https://youtu.be/wJnHwMi7LL0

I think it's the same show where Live And Let Die was included live as part of the MTV Music Awards. Amazing performance.

That was Wembley, Ausgust 31st, 1991. Last show with Izzy.




/jarmo

Oh God, really? That show is available to watch since ages. It's the first live footage every GNR fan sees after Tokyo '92.

It would be cool if they share 05/12/2006 in pro shot form. Yes, it wont happen, we all know that... but it would be much better than this crap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tj2zJ2Wvg&list=PLOTK54q5K4IPpNg0i5nfpOxw8A8KKvoln

Oh cool i'll have to look for it. I have it on dvd.

Would be nice to have something new but what would be groundbreaking would be a GN'R live show broadcasted, like an acoustic type of thing from their home, studio or something.

I know I'm dreaming out loud but one can only hope.

To be honest, if you have the DVD there's not really any point - quality is the same as it's taken from the original broadcast.

Indeed. I'm getting old. Thanks for the remark. Other than that, don't want to sound negative but I think the band are a bit late with this. I know that with the current Covid-19 situation everything is different in each country but the security measures and state emergencies in most of the countries are over or pretty much near the end. At least in Europe. What I'm trying to say is that if the band wanted to put out a live show or live videos for the people watching during the stay at home, it's a bit late as most of them will not stay at home as they are allowed to go outside already. Even some open space bars are already open. On the other hand, the live concert or videos might have nothing to do with the Covid-19 situation and they might have just decided to put out a show. Again, I don't want to sound negative. It's great news anyways and I'm looking forward to see what they will put out.

You can see it that way, that they are late to the lock down party.  But at the time, a lot of people were doing it. It became one of those "Why can't GN'R do it because everyone else is?" things.

So in that sense, it's kinda cool that they didn't necessarily get caught up in all that hype...





/jarmo

I mean...to be fair: Even Fernando has acknowledged, on reddit, that this should have been done awhile ago, and they are a little bit late to the "party", so to speak.

Whether he meant that in relation to the "Covid" party, or just a general marketing/management/exposure party...well, we don't know.

But I think it's fair to say this was something they wanted to do, had discussed doing, and sort of slipped through the cracks with everything else going on.  And he (and the rest of the team) are working on remedying it.  I think that's a GREAT thing!

It's not GN'R, but related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN7oGo6qlMA&feature=youtu.be

Tonight: Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert To Stream Globally In Support of The World Health Organization. Friday at 7pm (BST) / 2pm (EST) / 11am (PST)







/jarmo

Awesome, I remember that show. I taped it and watched it many times.

Looks like Graspop will be doing a streaming festival!!
Will we get any of Gnr’s headline set from 2018???!??!

https://www.graspop.be/en/news/infected-by-gmm-20-virtual-festival-20-june-2020/242/

I guess GNR will never allow it....but I would love to be wrong.