Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I figured this was the case but hoped I was wrong......Ahh damn
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/slash-says-guns-n-roses-has-yet-to-start-writing-new-music-explains-decision-to-rework-old-songs/

It does say they have been working on a lot of older stuff…would still be new.

Well at least we got 2 songs. :beer:

I wonder if Slash and Duff are anxious to propose music to Axl and
how his refusal can affect their new partnership...it's been 5 years
the guys talk and work together again and they didn't even try
to jam to see what happens?

This is good news, it looks like they have more music coming.  Also, it IS new music, “Hard Skool”and “Absurd” are both new Guns N Roses songs, who cares when they were written?  If people listen to leaks that is on them isn’t it?  That’s like someone getting their hands on those sound city demos in 1986 and then complaining that  “November Rain” wasn’t a new song when it came out in 1991.

All of those songs we’ve heard about , “Atlas”, “The General” etc, it would be great to see those get the same treatment as the other songs we got this year.

Also, I would even love to see an EP of new studio versions of the “Chinese” songs that have been in heavy rotation on the tours done by this lineup.  

It's an update on the status... so that's good.

Brand new original material from the current line-up seems a long ways away then.

On the bright side, hopefully we'll see the likes of Soulmonster, Oklahoma, The General and Zodiac in the near future. Going by the work Slash and Duff has put into the already released songs, I think that could result in some great, great songs.

Did finding out that Anything Goes or Reckless Life were not originally written by the AFD lineup affect how you felt about those songs?

Ali

Kinda disheartening to hear that the band aren’t writing new music together.

Whilst it’s good to hear that Slash and Duff have added their parts to songs penned during the Chinese sessions, we’re still unfortunately no where nearer in terms of finding out when/if these songs are ever gonna see the light of day.

Meanwhile, Slash releases a single with video and announces a new album with a release date  ???

These news are dissapointing to me

I Don't see Slash or Duff waiting much more years to work on new music. They are productive musicians and they like to stay busy
Neither I see them working only on Chinese Democracy era songs and redoing songs written by other musicians. My bet is if they don't get Axl to work on new compositions in 1 year or two that would be the end of the reunion

After 5 Years of the reunion this is dissapointing
Jarmo and co can look for whatever the point they want to justify this but this is definitely on Axl's part.

A single that fucking rocks 🤟🤟🤟

Thats how bands work, they write, record, tour the álbum and they do it again and that's how they grow and evolve

Its a pity that cant be the case for Guns N'Roses. They used to work like that back in the 80s and 90s but nowadays that seems imposible to do with Axl

Not directly, no. But in general, other songs that Duff and Slash in particular, had a hand in creating together with Axl, were of a much greater quality.

That said, whilst bringing up the likes of Anything Goes and Reckless Life, many of the unreleased CD-session songs have a far greater potential than those two songs. Having Duff and Slash putting their spin on those (bringing the result closer to the GN'R-sound of old), some of those songs could potentially be for the ages.

No way. They would never give up the $$$ they make when touring with GNR plus they have their side projects for new music.

Well I guess this means we can expect more clearing out of the cupboards before we get a truly new album. Which makes sense, in a way; you don't want something like Absurd on the same album as a bunch of new collaborations that would sound radically different. I'm not against clearing out the unused tracks Axl still wants to release, but it shouldn't be dragged on too long.

Sure they would.   :hihi:  How many people have walked away from the touring money already?  Slash and Duff did it before when there was more to lose and can do it again.

Maybe it's just us who thought they would pick up where they left off and that's not what the guys have in mind.

The question is, WHY hasn't Slash wrote any new riffs for possible GNR songs(KEY WORD IS WHY)???? He clearly has been writing since he just announced the release of his new solo album. Re working Chinese era songs is cool and all but really what is the reason they haven't worked on completely new stuff?

But why would they if they can have both? ( Touring money with GnR and new music with SMKC etc). Also, there is a chance they knew that this is the "deal" from day 1 of the reunion. They probably knew that they would never function again as the band they were in 90s and 80s after being apart for two decades.

Slash has clearly stated a number of times that he has written and set riffs aside for GNR. The real question is why isn't Axl using them. Seems highly likely Slash and Duff are not the obstacle to creating genuinely new music written by the current band.

For example as far back as 2018
http://www.alternativenation.net/slash-gives-first-description-new-guns-n-roses-riffs/

God it must be so frustrating being in a band with Axl

Slash and Duff are not hurting for money by any means at this point in their careers. There's also no reason for them to leave if they have their own projects to write in if they aren't satisfied with Guns.

Yeah that's the key question here
Slash and Duff have been working on Axl's songs.
The REAL question is why Axl hasnt worked on new songs with them

That probably depends on what came first.

Did they work on existing material because they didn't write together as Slash claims, or did they not write together because they already had existing material?





/jarmo

Existing material from an old line-up
It's cool to listen to some songs from old line-ups redone by this line-up. To me Duff and Slash make those song sound more rock and cooler than the Chinese Democracy sound which, as I said before, it's good but no the sound I fell in love with Guns N' Roses. Not the hard-rock guitar driven sound that made this band huge back in the 80s and 90s. But a whole new album done by Chinese Democracy era reworked by Slash and Duff? I can't see that happening. In my opinion, and it's only my opinion as well as you have yours, they will eventually get to a similar point as back in the 95-96-97 when they disbanded because they couldn't get to work together


Man you are always on Axl's side. You always find ways to defend Axl no matter what he does.
Of course Axl doesn't owe us nothing. If he doesn't want to write new music for the rest of his life it's ok. Of course he can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. I would love to listen to new stuff from him as well as other artist like Izzy, who seems to be retired from the music

In my opinion, Axl not working on new songs wit Duff and Slash is because either
a) he lost the motivation/passion for creatin' music
b) ego (he only want to work on his songs)

At least it's some honest visibility into what's happening or in this case, not happening.
What he said should surprise no one.
Thx for posting

they have done nothing new togheter (and axl hasn’t make something new on the old material slash and duff have reworked) it’s pretty simple. Axl himself said in that china exchange thing that he would have had more fun in making movie tracks than playing with gnr. With that mindset and his historical musical laziness it’s easy math. Enjoy these songs, we won’t have a new album soon or at all.

a) No
b) No. If he was so concerned with that, he wouldn't even allow them to play on those songs and put their personal touches on them.





That sounds like most people.

You have a job, and a hobby/hobbies. If you're fortunate enough, you enjoy working. But chances are you do your hobby/hobbies for fun....  :)






/jarmo

Jarmo, not ragging on you but don’t you see it as odd that Slash is able to release a new album with a tour yet GnR seemingly struggle to do so? Or is it the case that GnR simply doesn’t want to release a record? In regards to GnR music, Slash said not all that long ago that it’s difficult to figure out how best to put music out there, yet he’s almost contradicting himself by getting an album out with SMKC with relative ease.

For me, I have to ask myself why this is. It’s obviously great that we’re getting the EP, but 2 new songs and 2 ‘old’ live songs  nearly 6 years into the reunion is considerably light in terms of product output.

What’s your opinion on why there’s no record nor any realistic likelihood of a record in the foreseeable?

I suppose we are all just speculating as to the reason's why they haven't wrote anything new together. So guess away. However, what Slash said has to be concerning! Even to  the most hardcore Axl apologist. The reunion started 5 years ago and Slash wrote an entire solo album. 5 years and collectively as a band they have wrote nothing. As others have said, If they never write new music together again then so be it. They owe the fans nothing. 2 +2 still equals 4 in my world so I don't ever expect a new album.

It’s been obvious for a long time now Gnr is a business a money making machine , not a band with anything to say anymore really , really small catalogue but it is what it is . It’s a shame but is it a big deal ? 🤷🏻‍♂️. We all thought once upon a time Axl would be considered a Lennon/McCartney or Freddie Mercury legendary songwriter but for whatever reason he doesn’t seem interested in releasing music . I’m sure he just tours to keep himself in the lifestyle he’s become accustomed to . Fair play to him , I’ve seen em 12 times that’ll do for me 👍🏽

Sad. This band is washed creatively. They've been on this tour for 5 years and they haven't written a single song together? That really says everything. You think just by mistake they would have written a song. This really should put the nail in any further album speculation. And no, it is not encouraging that they are dusting off 20 year old songs that Axl isn't capable of singing anymore. The chorus on Hard Skool is incredible, but that singer no longer exists. Slash said it very clearly: they haven't written one fucking song. The end. This is not a creative venture. It's a corporation content to make money off existing material. And that's fine. As a fan that likes it when artists create new things, it sucks.

It's not odd.

I think the EP is just a way for them to release the two songs that they put out this year in a physical way. Nothing more.

Some of us still enjoy buying physical records.



I don't think they are done releasing new music after these two songs.

I hope they keep doing what they have done. Releasing songs, and then maybe put them on an album. But considering there's no tours until 2022, and that Slash will be busy with his other project, maybe we will have to wait a little while before the next GN'R release...  ???





/jarmo

If gnr’s modus operandi is to only release new music during a tour then yes, it will be a while before any more new music sees the light of day.

Personally, I don’t see why this has to be the case. I mean, yes, they obviously played Hard Skool and Absurd on the recent tour, but there was no proceeding fanfare and no accompanying promotion. Why not release an EP or even a new song once every 6-8 weeks? It would keep interest alive and the hard cores happy. Would also keep GnR in the media focus which would also help ticket sales next year.

Just my $0.02

well, reading all these posts, I remember what I thought to myself yeeeaaars ago :

you want new music? a new album? easy : stop going to the shows until GNR makes
a new album and go to tour to promote it.

simple. effective.

a pretty good way to push creativity  :hihi:

now it's too late because of the $$ generated with the reunion anyway.

I don’t want to stop going to the shows..everyone said they will never get back together..wrong…will never release new music…wrong…we will see where the years ahead takes them

Did you not read any of the comments pointing out that they have other outlets for writing? In 1996 they were all at the peak of their fame/egos and drug habits. To act like the conditions are the same today is ridiculous. In fact, they've almost all said before that the issue was not a matter of creative differences.


If A were true, they wouldn't have bothered releasing Hard Skool. If B were true, they wouldn't have played Slither and HS wouldn't have Slash's own entire mid-section added to it.

If they didn't want to release anything at all, why would they even be talking about it? Why would Axl have talked about doing a CD 2 before the reunion happened? I think it's pretty obvious Axl still wants to release the CD 2 tracks, and that's the difficulty Slash was talking about; how do you market those? If you just put them out as a new album but with the previous lineup, people will be confused and disappointed. If you re-record them all, then it's even more of a weird situation where you have hybrid songs from both eras and how do you explain that to the mainstream audience? I think releasing them as singles is their way of getting them out, but not billed as "The New Album" which comes with a lot of expectations. So clear out the cupboards with discrete singles so you can have the actual album be 100% new collaborative material.

Makes sense, but as I said in another post, I would love for GnR to keep up the momentum with single/EP releases. A break in touring doesn’t mean they have to have a break in releasing new songs. A really good (and let’s be honest, pretty monumental) precedent has been set here by GnR by their release of Hard Skool and Absurd on a surprise basis.

All I’m saying is I really hope they keep that up. It’s a long time until the European shows.

There's no lack of material.

Now, the kind of material people want, and what exists, might not be the same thing. Once again, it comes down to assuming things. Because when this is true, then that must happen. No, it doesn't....

Like I said earlier, nowhere in this interview does he explain why. Yet, the assumption is clear....

Does it might it right? Not necessarily.



On another note, if GN'R were to keep releasing songs between now and the next tour, do you think it would take focus away from Slash's project and/or would people keep asking for more once the tour actually starts in June?



/jarmo

:rofl: :rofl: :hihi: : ok:

No, I don’t. if anything, quite the opposite (certainly I think in terms of bringing both bands onto people’s radar). To think otherwise would be to assume that people will choose one thing over the other, or maybe only have money to buy one thing over the other. Do other artists take other music being released into account when figuring out a release date? If that were the case then November album releases wouldn’t be a favoured time of year to put new music out surely?

To be fair I don’t think anyone’s making any assumptions and any resulting (incorrect) conclusions. I think people are just hungry for new music. In b4 there’ll always be complaints that the music isn’t x, y or z, but that’s life. You can’t please all of the people all of the time.

I stand by my comment made earlier in this thread. Two new songs after almost 6 years of being reunited is considerably light by any band’s standards.

I’m not trying to be a hard-ass. I just love this fuckin band and when I saw 2 single releases I (quite understandably) assumed an album was practically imminent. Now we’re stuck once again at the possibility of at least 9 months before even the merely possibility of hearing new tracks. Very frustrating.

So you don't think the two are kinda fighting for the same audience?






/jarmo

I think what Slash & Duff are doing is something that means alot to Axl and i think alot of fans forget this when it comes to them redoing these songs that Axl came up with. This has probably gone a long way to why everything seems to be going so well when it comes too their touring. I support whats going on I want to hear all the songs Axl came up with for all those years where nothing seemed to be going on. if their is a steady stream of songs each year lets say they release 2 to 3 songs a year over the next couple of years barring a full album coming out is that a bad thing? Clear out the vault of old stuff then move on.

But that still implies it has to be one or the other. Can people not like more than one artist or buy more than one artist’s material?

Anyway, my frustrated rambling is doing me no good and it certainly won’t change anything. I’ve got the Hard Skool EP ordered and I’m defo going to see GnR next year, so plenty to look forward to. Also managed to snag some cool UYI promo stuff online so I’m good.

Its better than nothing but that to me its not as exciting as really new songs written by this line-up. I Don't think its what Duff and Slash would love to do in Guns, but as you said they are doin' it for Axl. It would be nice he would do the same for them

Of course they can. The only point is that if you can spend X amount of time/money on something, and then have to either divide that time/money on multiple things, or just spend it all on one thing. Which one "wins"? Some, choose to do just one thing, others choose both. But in the end, if even one person makes the choice of choosing just one, the other one lost...






/jarmo

Slash’s album and the Hard Skool EP are both released in February 2022.

So has Axl said directly to Slash and Duff we are going to re do these songs I already have and I want you guys to put your stamp on them and that is it and don't bother coming up with anything original? Because that is what it seems like. 6 years and Slash hasn't come up with one new Idea???? come on man. He wrote an entire new album so obviously he still is creating. For all we know maybe they have that as an understanding?

Well sure they do. Myles' solo albums were arranged around Alter Bridge and Slash's schedules and still didn't step on the toes of Tremonti's solo albums released those same years.

Noted, but see my comment above. Slash’s new album clashes with the Hard Skool release.

Since the vast majority of people stream music nowadays, the argument that they won't have money to buy two albums doesn't really stand. It's not the 90's or even 00's anymore.

Yeah, that argument makes zero sense. The number of people who actually buy music now is negligible. There are honestly no reasonable arguments or excuses left as to why this band can't/won't put out an album. It just comes down to dysfunction or inability/lack of desire to create. That's it. The lost opportunities to put a greater stamp on the musical world since they first came on the scene in the 80s is just tragic.

But, so it goes. They still tour and bring joy to people by playing the old songs. It's not what I am into but a lot of people love it. Life goes on.

Without a new single out, Slash is still getting asked about GN'R in interviews.... Imagine if there was a GN'R single out at the same time.


Let me clarify to those who don't get it. Yes, I'm aware you can listen to both on Spotify. Assuming I'm that stupid says more about you than me... But whatever.


I'm not saying Slash's record is delaying anything. Just pointing out the simple fact that maybe, just maybe, it makes sense to wait with the next GN'R release (whatever that might be) closer to the next tour because A: There will be a tour B: It won't coincide with Slash promoting his new release. If you were his record company, what would you think?

But I know that's too much for some to comprehend.... Which is fine. :)




/jarmo

- "oh, so you know everything then?"
- "there could be things going on you know nothing about"
- "this band can surprise you"

How many times?  How many times is that sort of shit thrown around here?  And it's all with this haughty "HOW DARE YOU" tone to it.  Like anyone daring to have a scintilla of doubt about, to be kind, a pretty unreliable operation needs their fan card revoked.

Yet, news like this comes out...and what?  Is there any of this :

- "well...shit"
- "perhaps some of you were more on the right track than I was"
- "might be time to stop believing implicitly with zero proof, combined with their poor track record"

No.  There is NONE of that in this thread.  Which is the definition of weak.

A lot of folks (and not just Jarmo, so let's not get that twisted) really trade in a lot of credibility with shit like this comes down the pike.  So quick to burn anyone and everyone at the stake, lecturing us all the while...nowhere to be found when EXACTLY WHAT MANY OF US SAID is proven on the money.

This is a touring operation.  It's about $BIG DOLLAZ$ at this point.  Stop hoping for some miracle album that ain't coming.

And for christ's sake, go sell your lectures somewhere else.  

Did you know Absurd was gonna be released this year? Did you know Hard Skool was gonna be out until it was announced?

Let me guess, you had no idea.

How many times does the band need to prove you wrong before you accept/admit that you really know very little?  ???



Edited to add: At the end of the day, if there's one thing I've learned in the last 25 years is that those who think they know, rarely actually do..... :)





/jarmo

Truthfully, never expected or wanted to hear Absurd ever again.  Especially with the best line of the song, what can I do with a bitch like you, not in it!  Never saw that coming.  I could go on but hey, GNR likes it.

Expected Hard Skool but not as a single.  I hoped for an album (the year's not over  :D). 

I suspect the label isn't going to like CD II material no matter who plays or works on it, in other words they aren't going to support a new GNR album with that.  But then again I don't think they are going support any new GNR album.  I suspect the label will continue to string GNR along because they do make money off the old material.  What I'm wondering if the use of Jungle in the car commercial was the leverage that got the two singles out?  Just where my thoughts go because I don't know shit about what GNR is doing.   :hihi:

Many people are basing their opinion that the band as a creative venture, one that is capable of producing a new album, is dead, on facts. Here are the simple ones:

--After 6 years of the reunion, the band has this to show for it so far as newly released music: Two reworked 20-year-old songs

--Slash is quoted as saying they have not worked on NEW material, after 6 years. SLASH said this.

--Since Spaghetti Incident, released in 1993, nearly 30 years ago, the "band" has released a single full album, and a handful of singles.

So, it is reasonable to conclude that this band, creatively, has some issues, and as a creative entity, is largely dead. That is not being negative or a "hater" or whatever. It is looking at the facts objectively. I don't hate people who believe otherwise. No need to put someone else's opinion down. But looking at all of this objectively, divorced of emotions and feelings, it is hard to come to any other conclusion. If they prove me wrong, fantastic. But with these as the facts before me, my conclusion is that this band creatively is barren.

Hard Skool is already out. How else would we have heard it? You're just talking about the shipping of physical CDs.

Not strong on self-awareness, are we?  ::)

I'll play along.

So being a creative venture only means releasing material.

Got it!  :o



The whole obsession with them not sitting down together somewhere to write a song from scratch is still astounding. Everybody here knows that they didn't write Don't Cry together in the studio while recording Use Your Illusion, Anything Goes wasn't even a GN'R song, November Rain existed before UYI was recorded etc etc. Those songs weren't written from scratch together either. Didn't seem to bother people.... We can keep repeating these facts over and over and they still don't matter to the people who like to pint out facts. :)




/jarmo

:rofl: :rofl: :hihi:

Jarmo, you are undefeatable  :hihi:

Definitively Axl Rose's best friend ever!
at least best defender  :hihi:

Add some more smileys, I don't think you've fully expressed your immaturity.

Ok sorry, dont wanna disrespect anybody here but its hard to take seriously Jarmo's logic. No matter what Axl does, he is gonna find some "logical" point to defend him.
Im also an Axl fan but there is nothing wrong on bein' critic with our idols.
Expectin a band to sit down and write new songs seems weird?
One album in 30 years is poor creativitely speaking, and that's bein objective. There is a creativity problem there but on this site telling these kind of things seems forbidden

I agree. Loving GNR and Axl shouldn't get in the way of seeing the reality. I don't think Axl or the band owe me anything, my life doesn't depend on whether or not GNR releases new songs or albuns, but this band clearly has some issues when it comes to releasing new music. That's just a fact.

You really want to compare batting averages?

I'll take that Pepsi challenge.

Precisely.  You don't have to be a fortune teller.  Just minimally fuckin' observant.

And saying it out loud doesn't mean you get treated like you are claiming you just saw Bigfoot.

Simplest solution is often a correct one.  Past history + all available current evidence = nothing new remotely soon (if ever).

Or, yknow, he has a mind of his own and disagrees with you? Maybe?

You seem like you will only be satisfied if Jarmo just concedes to agree with your opinions.

Perfectly put. Agreed 100 percent

Just as an observer with no dog in this fight, I see more of you treating Jarmo as a pariah, than the other way around.

Observation: The root word of “creative” is “create”. I’m not seeing these guys create much of anything these days. AFD, Lies, and the Illusions records were all released in 4 years! This board has threads hoping for new music that are older than 4 years! All signs point to a band that lives to rehash, not create.

Speculation: I don’t know what’s going on in GNRland, but from being a fan for 30 years, I suspect that Axl is tapped creatively and is afraid that he can’t live up to his former self. Honestly, it must be comforting knowing that you can live an exciting and wonderful life by just singing the songs you wrote decades ago and people will love you for it. Why the hell risk ruining a legacy?

That's nothing my point but its ok anyway  : ok:

I'm wrong all the time, I don't care. No problem admitting when I'm wrong.

Sometimes I'm right. It happens!


The main difference seems to be that I don't take pleasure in predicting doom and gloom.







Not that it matters. They got together in 2016, toured the world and managed to have a successful tour. I know some of you expected them to use any free time during the tour to write and record a new album. Was that realistic? Maybe, maybe not.

Did they create anything during the pandemic? Well, they just released two singles this year.

I know, I know. It's not really creating because you created something before, and then create some more on top of what was created earlier.




Edited to add: All we heard for years was "WE NEED NEW MUSIC". Once the band released new singles, that was changed to "THOSE ARE OLD SONGS, YOU DIDN'T WRITE ANYTHING TOGETHER!".  FFS...





/jarmo

Most fans love the 2 singles. Yes, Absurd was polarising but any publicity is good publicity, right? I made a point earlier in this thread - you can’t please all of the people all the time. There will always be a small minority who voice criticism - GnR aren’t alone in that regard. Shit, I’d be willing to bet there were many GnR fans who hated the illusion records when they were releases on the basis that they were ostensibly a huge shift from Appetite.

Trouble is, these days the opinions of the minority get major airplay because of the internet. I guess the trick is to accept that you can’t please everyone and just dismiss the voices of discontent as keyboard warriors.

Lastly, I stand by my suggestion that 2 singles in nearly 6 years is pretty piss poor. Go balls deep or go home. Fuck the haters.

100 % dead on balls accurate  ;D

Some of you laughed at me when I pointed out that what Slash said about how to release music, actually made sense.

Fast forward to August and September 2021, the band releases singles digitally only, to be followed by physical releases later. Without any release date of an album.

In other words, the band didn't do things like they always had, or how we are used to. Single, album announcement, single, album release.



Now you're laughing at me for pointing out that there might be business people who might not like having a Slash release and a GN'R release happen at the same time, due to both competing for the same attention.



What was that about my credibility? Oh yeah, don't believe anything I say.....  :D





/jarmo

Yes, for a band, being a creative venture ABSOLUTELY means releasing new songs. I don't know why that is remotely a controversial take. Bands are created to create music. That's kind of the whole point.

And the songs you listed, they weren't written two decades prior to Appetite or Illusions. The situations aren't remotely similar. The era you are talking about is comprised of young artists who wrote these songs in their teens or early 20s and had nowhere to place them on an album, until Guns. NOW, we are talking about seasoned musicians who have all the ability to produce and publish whatever music they want.

For most of us, Slash comments concerning GNR's creative efforts are disheartening.

I'm pretty sure many of us (me included) had imagined the band would've written something together from scratch by now. They've spent half a decade on the road now, so we've all assumed Axl, Slash and Duff could've spent an all nighter or two writing together somewhere in fucking Belgium or something.

Or maybe last year during lockdown.

It seems like that's not been the case. And that's a sucks.

Maybe Axl doesn't believe he can deliver the goods anymore (lyrically and musically), or maybe he believes Slash and Duff are the ones who can't, or simply put, the focus has been on reworking those songs from the CD era.

Slash later ads We've been doing a lot of material that's been sort of sitting around for a while. So that will be a whole focused endeavor unto itself.

How many songs are "a lot"?

I don't know, but maybe the band will release some of these reworked songs the same way they have with Absurd and Hard Skool. Maybe the plan is to release all of these songs as singles once the tour resumes next year, or maybe the plan is to release an album with such songs... and once that's done (maybe in 3 years), then focus on writing new songs from scratch.

One thing seems pretty clear though, there won't be a new GNR album made from songs they've written together anytime soon.

I guess I'm in a minority.

As long as the song is something I haven't listened to, it really doesn't matter when it was written, by who and when/if someone added to it later.


Do I enjoy listening to the songs? Yes. Does all of the above matter? No.





/jarmo
 

Where do you draw the line then?


So a song written in 2000 by Axl is not ok?
A song written in 2005 by Axl is ok? Or no?
A song written in 1995 by Axl isn't ok?


Seriously, trying to understand the logic here.

Did Shadow Of Your Love or Move To The City (acoustic) sound worse because they were only released in 2018 and not 1988?


The songs weren't on Chinese Democracy for a reason. Some have decided what that reason is. Same thing happened with November Rain for example not ending up on AFD.





/jarmo

Taking that further, Slash is either incredibly selfish for pushing his release in Feb 22 OR he was given the green light to do so because Axl didn’t want to put out any more new music

Maybe someone here knows, but I kinda doubt he pushes for any release date. There are people whose job it is to decide on these things and sell records.

All I'm saying (=guessing) is that those people wouldn't like the idea of having something else "fighting" for the same spotlight when his record is released. That's all. Just thinking out loud.


As I said, I'm just guessing and my credibility is low regarding anything to do with GN'R and/or the music business in general. As we have been told numerous times by people who seem to really know everything and are never wrong.....  :-[





/jarmo

The point is that creatively this band is and has been dormant and dead for a long time. And yes, the fact that they are dusting off 20 year old songs to present to the public, instead of a song they wrote maybe in the last 5 years, is proof they are creatively spent. It baffles me that this is a point that is being argued. You present these facts to anyone who isn't so invested in a particular band, and 99.999999% of people will agree that the band creatively is done. ONE FULL ALBUM SINCE 1993! And people have the nerve to criticize people who are skeptical based on that one fact alone. It's fine. The world won't end to admit that the skeptics have a reason to be skeptical. And in no way does it make them any less of a fan than the "true believers."

I may be in the minority here but I couldn’t give a rats ass when the songs were penned or that they’ve been finished once already. I’d also disagree to a large extent with those arguing that GnR are creatively spent. Slash and Duff adding their vibe to the songs is a measure of creativity and I’m really excited to hear them.

Obviously NR wasn't on AFD because it was worthless garbage.  :rofl:

The lack of self-doubt or humility in your statements is shocking. One could have just as well said that most of UYI was written years prior and therefore it proves they were "creatively dead" by 1989. Except the 1990 Chicago writing sessions did happen, just as writing has happened ever since, regardless of whether it was released or not.

What you wrote doesn't make any sense. The songs on UYI weren't written 20 years earlier. The band had been writing so many songs over the past several years at that time, consistently writing, they turned them into 3.5 albums over the course of 4 years. How does that in any way compare to 1 album and a handful of singles in nearly 3 decades?? Why do people need to contort themselves to deny the obvious? A band that produced a single album in nearly 3 decades is not a creatively thriving band. Why is that so hard to admit? It's ok. You'll be alright. I am a huge Hunter S. Thompson fan. I have a tattoo of his six-fingered fist. But after the 70s and his first run of books, he was creatively shot and didn't produce a single thing worth a damn after that. Hardcore fans and critics alike agree pretty much universally. Admitting that doesn't mean I don't appreciate him as a writer. It just means I can look at reality. It's wild people on this board can't do the same.

First it was Slash and Duff need to comeback, then it was Chinese won't be released, then it was DJ Ashba sucks.... Then it was no DVD's, Then it was there needs to be new material released, then it was Axl's voice doesn't sound like 2010.... Then it was the reunion was for a cash crab, Then it was the band is just a touring band, Then it was the Summer Tour will be just the same setlist.... Then it was Hard Skool, Absurd, are just reworked songs.....  They need to get in a room and write.  Everything the fans have wanted GnR has delivered... I don't get it.... It might take awhile but they do it.  We have an EP coming in Feb... Probably a LP before or during the 2022 Tour Dates.  I don't know what this band has to do.. To constantly please this fanbase... I'm exhausted just typing this out.

Guys dont focus on hard school or other songs...u simply cant put 200 songs on an album, u have to make a choice. Hard school (except for the drums) and Absurd (except for the vocals) sounds better now than before so it was a good waiting.
Sometimes you just need the right people.
Again, enjoy these songs... Axl Rose is lazy af (and not "perfectionist") and if you still have to understand that after 30 years well there's something wrong with you  :rofl: :rofl:. It's sad that they have made 0 songs togheter but, really, what did you expect knowing their history?

It's almost like you're looking for reasons to be upset. Like I said, we spent years listening to the likes of you saying the band will never release anything and they don't want to. Look what happened. They proved you guys wrong. Does it make a difference? Absolutely not. Now it's the number of songs and their age. Hilarious.



If Slash had said nothing (you wouldn't know).
If songs were released that you hadn't any idea existed (you wouldn't know when they were created).


Suddenly, you'd be happier!?


You want to know things, you want updates. But once you have information, it makes you upset and everything is just bad....


I'm kinda baffled that people still get upset because the band does things their way like they always had instead of doing what these people think is the best....



/jarmo

You kinda nailed it.

Tour, don't tour that long, play this song, and play that song, why didn't you play that song when you toured too long, release music, but not that song, it's too old, when will you release the next song...




/jarmo

They proved us wrong????? Two half-baked songs after 6 years of the reunion is proving us wrong. Damn. That's a low threshold.

If Slash had said nothing? Yeah, but he said everything, didn't he? He said they haven't written ANYTHING NEW. The most important member of the band (tied with Axl) told us exactly what has (not) happened. There is no getting around that. How does a band go six years together and not write a single song. Shit, you think they'd hum a song in the shower and that would somehow become something.

As for your point about never hearing the leaks, so not knowing those were 2-decade old songs, that's a good point. I have no rebuttal for that.

Also, stop saying they are doing things their way. So far as being creative, they aren't doing anything. But I guess history shows that kind of is their way ...

LOL.

Yes, all those who said they'd never release Chinese Democracy, and then moved onto claim GN'R would never release anything else, only tour, were proven wrong. Ridicule that all you want. You know who you are. :)




They could do other things. Like tour?

Or record other things....  Or watch Formula 1....Or just relax! Many choices...

 :D



Let's just hope the next release is something no one knows about. So you guys can keep guessing when it was created and by who, and whether or not the best before date was passed. Just kidding! ;)



/jarmo

I have zero issues with them reworking old, unreleased songs. It's something, man.

It feels a little (dirty/disingenuous) off to call something a new song that has vocals that are 20+ years old. It would be one thing if Axl couldn't sing anymore, but that's not the case.

Slash's comments kind of confirm to me that anything else we get (if at all) will be similarly re-worked songs with old vocals. The only thing you can hold on to, IMO, is the "things change" line of hope.

 ;D

What percentage of the fanbase is the hardcore? 25 percent, 30 percent.  I don't think the majority of the people who come to the shows.... know about Silkworms or Jackie Chan.. aka Hard Skool or that Axl didn't re-record the vocals.  Just us hardcore fans. 

That's exactly my point. Only a small percentage of people know those vocals are decades old. That's why it seems a little (dirty/disingenuous) to pass this off to the mainstream as a new song. Only in GnR land is there ambiguity about what is new music. It's like Clintonian logic on what's the definition of "new".

If you never heard it before, it's new. Isn't that the definition of the word? Not new in the sense that it's fresh and they just wrote and recorded it the day before.

Most people never heard those songs before since they were released in August and September. And played live at the shows.

Hence, the use of the word new.




/jarmo

So a shirt you've had in your closet for 20 years that you just put on for the first time today is new because no one's seen you in it before? Ok.

So when your friend says "What a cool new shirt you're wearing!". You start explaining that it's not new, you just didn't wear it and it was made 20 yeas ago by people who probably don't even work at the manufacturer anymore etc?

Ok.

 :D



/jarmo

Here is my question take it from a GNR touring perspective. How many fans go to GNR shows now and are screaming for new songs? I can't help but think of Larry the Cable Guy in his most recent netflix stand up mentioned the joke of loving classic rock bands and the one thing those bands fans hate to hear is "and here is one off our new album". I think its fair to say alot of the fans that go too GNR shows are going to see the classics played i mean what is the crowd response when they play chinese democracy stuff and while i personally love hearing those songs there not ones fans know the words by heart like a sweet child or paradise city. Do i want new material of course absolutely but i think with a band like GNR with its history could easily be a Billy Joel esque touring band and just play hits and people will come out maybe mix in a new cover song or a hard skool but i think thats what we all have to think about.

Imagine if we had the Internet back in the late 80's.... Don't Cry gets leaked and it doesn't end up on AFD but UYI. The hardcore fans would be saying the same thing with regards of today.  :rofl:

No, because at the time Don't Cry would have been a few years old. And Axl likely would have recorded current vocals for the new record. These songs are TWENTY YEARS OLD with vocals recorded TWENTY YEARS AGO.

But yeah, same thing. Ha ha. laugh emoji.

Also, I got bootlegs of November Rain back then when it was just an acoustic song right after Appetite came out. And when it came out on Use Your Illusion, I was fucking thrilled, because it was an active band and I knew it was a song in progress. So, nothing you said is remotely true.

Time tables stretch as bands get older. Even AC/DC, who pumped out an album every single year from 1974-1983 started slowing down in their 30s and 40s, stretching to once every 5 years by the 1990s.

Where do you draw the line, though? As soon as you record a vocal, it's now a recording from the past. The average album is recorded, what, 6 months before it's released or so? AC/DC's latest album was recorded in 2018, but stalled for unknown reasons and then when they were gearing up, Covid hit, so it delayed further and ended up releasing two years after it was recorded. Nobody complained about that being "old performances". What if it were 4 years, though? At what point does it become unacceptable?

Since 1995 ACDC (who are older than Guns) have released 5 studio albums
Of course bands/musicians release slow down but they keep releasing and touring
Axl Rose has only released one album (with original music) in 30 Years. Of course he has been touring all these years, and that's great but creativitely speaking he has become a nostalgia act

Im with u Trash Panda. What you say is what most of GNR fans worldwide outside this kind of foros think about Guns N Roses and specially about Axl Rose. We all love him but its really frustratin' bein' a fan of him and expectin him to get back to write new music and blow our minds as he used to do back in the old good days. I thought he would take advantage of this chance with the reunion but after 6 years findin' out he didn't write or record anything new with Slash and Duff is dissapointing

That's really all it is: disappointment. We love the band. We love the music. We would love to hear new songs, new visions, new lyrics ... And for a fan, 1 album and a few singles over 30 years doesn't cut it. It's incredibly disappointing. That's all. Honestly, I think it's incredibly weird for a true fan not to be disappointed.

And before the regular attacks come: No, I don't think the band owes me anything. No, the lack of an album is not destroying my life. Etc, etc, etc.

Often the ones who want to change the setlist the most, and assume a new album would make huge changes in the setlist, are the ones who don't attend shows...






/jarmo

I don't believe it has anything to do with that.
The idea of a new song - a collaborative effort by Axl - Slash - Duff etc is promise.
It's hope.
The idea that the guys who created possibly the greatest hard rock album in history have more to give.
Won't speak for anyone - just myself - but those songs and many on the Illusions were part of the soundtrack of this guy's life.
I want more and for some to drill people here for hoping for a little more over the last 6 years or so than 2 Chinese songs re-done is silly.


Personally don't like absurd but love Hard Skool - and hoped they were just the beginning of something bigger - but now it appears not.

Is what it is

I guess the main difference is that to me, those two songs are new Guns N' Roses songs. And to others they're "Chinese Democracy leftovers that weren't good enough for the album, with Duff and Slash".

Like I said, I don't pay attention to when it was written, by who, who recorded it originally, what notes were left out in the final release etc. The only thing that matters is, do I like it. All that other stuff is just additional information, and it shouldn't decide whether or not I like the song.


Let's be honest, how many of you were clamoring for "new music" and now you're feeling let down.... Because the songs are bad? No, because it's new music (but not the new music you thought you never had coming in the first place).




/jarmo

I can only speak for myself here, I’m just pissed that there’s no more on the immediate horizon  :hihi:

Loved both tracks  : ok:

Who knows? I don't know if there is.

All we know is that there's no more tour dates until summer 2022.


I like the way things were done earlier this year. Tour, play new song, release song.




/jarmo

That's super bizarre you don't care who wrote it, when it was written, etc. All of that informs a song, provides a context, an insight into the vision and a history to enhance your listening. So, when I have that history for these new songs, it doesn't necessarily impact whether I enjoy them. I think they are both average at best. But, it does inform me as to the creative viability of the band in present day, which appears to be zero.

It's super bizarre that you take something out of what I said and twist it.

I merely said that information (which I care about), doesn't dictate whether or not a song is good. Read my post again.


Ever heard the expression "don't judge a book by its cover"? Same thing.





/jarmo

I’ve made my peace with the fact that next summer is the earliest we *might* hear some new tracks. I too like the surprise drops during the tour  :drool:

I think people miss the point on this matter. It's not about how old the songs are. As I said, this band's history show that they've created songs and released them years later (Don't Cry, NR, etc.)

The point is that it SEEMS that they're not a full working force kind of band anymore. They don't sit together and write songs, compose, share ideas, etc. That's what bothers me and other people.

Some years ago the Stones, one of my favorite bands, released an special edition of Exile on Main Street. It had a lot of songs from that era that had never been released before. Those songs were clearly reworked, with new vocals by Mick, new guitar parts, etc., blended with some parts from the 70's (Nicky Hopkins piano, etc.)

Did I enjoy listening to new songs by the Stones, specially from that era? Hell yes! But it was not a new album, they didn't write new songs, they didn't sit down together in the studio to work.

That's the whole point. It feels like they're not a unity anymore.

The thing is. They haven't necessarily worked like that in quite some time.

Before Appetite, they basically lived together. Then they all got their own places to live. So the Use Your Illusion songs weren't necessarily written "sitting together" either.

I think them creating something from scratch just by sitting together might be expecting too much. What I mean is, if Slash has a guitar riff he wrote a few years ago on tour, isn't that what you don't want?


What they did with Absurd and Hard Skool is basically the way they worked since Use Your Illusion. Someone brings in a song, or idea, then they add to it.

Think of a song like Estranged. It's a great song, but Slash's guitar melody elevates it even further. or Coma. Great, but with those lyrics, it's something else.






/jarmo

I get  that a lot of the audiences that attend GnR gigs aren't clamouring for new material and wanna hear the classics  however I don't think many would object to hearing 3 or 4 new songs if they wanna throw them in, playing Absurd and Hard skool shows they are willing to take a risk and play new music.

Remember, they had Hard Skool on the alt setlist as early as 2019. So it's a bit disingenuous to say this is all they've done in 6 years, when the past two years were basically down the drain for everyone. They were gearing up to release HS after 4 years of almost nonstop touring. Who's to say what we may have had by now if not for covid interrupting?

Didn't say anything about them being not good enough for CD - and didn't mean to imply that either.

I think absurd is brutally bad the more I listen to it. Just not my thing. I actually liked the Silkworms intro and effects back then better than this part of the song -
Hard Skool is an excellent song - better than a few on CD in my opinion.

It makes me wonder whether we will ever listen to new material.

My gut tells me we will. But I do think it might take the form of more singles/EPs. Look at how the label handled the release of Chinese. You can understand Axl maybe being reticent to even think about going down that road again. So long as we hear The General at some point, I’m good  ;D

Completely agree I think that's exactly what they will do going forward I don't think Axl is interested in going through the whole process of doing a full album from scratch after the prolonged process it took to make and release CD.

At least we are getting new music. :beer:

Exactly.




/jarmo

:beer:

in which weird kind of world people in their fifties lives like 20 years old young men? how can you compare the situation of youngsters living in a squat together creating music in an evident promiscuous and the same people 30 years after with their own family lives, homes and financialy secure?

they don't live together anymore, they probably don't hang out together neither, they talk to each other again since a few years only, they have a cordial working relationship in a big franchise called Guns N'Roses, they manage to work on some songs to release them and when you think of it it's a kind of miracle, considering the history of discord between the two leaders of the band, so no, it's not really the legitimate time to complain about the lack of activity of the guys.

does it changes the fact that the band lost a lot of years and potential albums to add to their catalogue and history? no.

they took their Aerosmith influence too seriously and broke up somewhere in the way, but they managed to grow up and see what their best interests where. good thing for us, we have some kind of interest in that too.

Axl apparently has at least a full album of songs they can work on, and if the can't find the way to write together again, at least we'll have them with Slash & Duff writing their own parts on that.

the debate on when the titles were written is irrelevant, boring and childish.

But, but, the songs are old...  :'(


LOL. I agree.

The Rolling Stones just reissued Tattoo You. An album originally released in 1981 consisting of, mostly old songs recorded during sessions for other albums.....Uh oh!





/jarmo

It’s new because it hasn’t yet been heard by the general public so far. I don’t get what people don’t understand about that.

Just to be clear, I don't expect them to work like they did on the appetite era. That's just silly, they're millionaires with families now. But then again, so are the members of, for example Metallica, and they have released a great number of songs over the years. The same can be said for Foo Fighters.

I just WISH they wrote some new songs from scratch, not just copying and pasting different parts from different years.

I mean, I don't think it's asking too much after SIX years in the road, at least ONE song coming out from jams, soundchecks, etc. It baffles me, and I'm basing this on what Slash said, that not even one riff came out of all these years on the road.

Being grateful we have new songs, and I really am, shouldn't get in the way of perceiving the reality.

Agree with you Eduardo

You weren't the one who said "gnr are not like the other bands" n then you tell what rolling stones have done after 60+ albums  (Plus the old songs are still written by them, not by other people...)? Man just don't even try make any comparison, cause gnr lose every single battle in that sense  ::) . I know we can't expect anything from Axl (and i say axl) and im good with that, but don't try to justify, make comparisons etc.. It is what it is. Personally i think that those 2 songs are even too much  :rofl:. At this point I'd rather have Axl to restore his voice and to listen to him singing better than he's done for the last 4 years...

The Stone are also in their late 70's, have released around 30 albums and don't have a long history of one individual in the band being the obstacle and frustration in their bandmates wishes to write, record and release music.

Slash had mentioned saving riffs for GNR a few times and we all know he is a workaholic musically so i doubt he is happy not writing music for GNR, so my best guesstimate is that he submitted his work and it got rejected.

I think Slash’s guitar playing is fantastic. Do I think his other stuff over the years outside of Guns is up to Gun’s standards? I have to be honest and say no. On the other hand, I do think that the vast majority of the instrumentals from the locker leaks (sorry Jarmo) are absolutely worthy of GnR. I’m excited to see what Slash and Duff can add, though I do think many of the tracks are perfect as they are; they just need some vocals.

They're not like other bands.

I just hope the Stones fans didn't get upset in 1981 that they released songs that were written and recorded in the 1970s....... :)





This album originally came out in 1981.

And due to circumstances at the time, they decided to use old songs and recordings. Just hope their fans didn't go on the Internet and complain about them releasing old songs! ;)






I suspect that it's all about semantics.

No one wrote a single new note since the NITL tour? Well, they wrote their parts that went on Absurd and Hard Skool.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are more ideas around. They just didn't go that route this time.



/jarmo

I think you mean Axl Rose's standars
Duff and Slash work outside Guns fuckin rocks

This is Axl Rose's band since 1991, we all know

I'm curious to see how long Duff and Slash stand this time. My bet is if they dont get Axl to work on new music written by this lineup 2022 will be the last year of this reunion. And I think so because they are Workaholics and very creative musicians. They are working on Axl"s songs to make him happy but I really doubt this will be their focus for too long

It's absolutely ridiculous the lengths some people will go to justify this band's lack of musical creativity. Yeah, the Stones used some old songs on Tattoo you, but those songs weren't fucking 20 years old, and the Stones released an entire album worth of "old songs" and went on to release more than a dozen more albums. And by the time of Tattoo You, they had released more than a dozen albums previously. But yeah, you really owned us with that really insightful Tattoo You reference.

There is no defense for a band having only released 1 album and a handful of filler singles over 30 decades. None. Not a single reasonable explanation except they are spent creatively, as a unit.

I think the big difference in the comparison is that while Brian Jones died and you got 2 replacement players in that spot... the unreleased music was written by and performed by what everyone in the world considers The Rolling Stones (Mick, Keith, Wyman, and Watts). Any "new" music released by GnR that has been on the shelf for the last 22 years will have been written by people that "most" people don't even know had a year or two stint in Guns N Roses in the late 90's.

5 almost 6 years after the reunion I think people want to hear what Axl, Slash, and Duff can do to follow up UYI. In the meantime I'm happy to either hear the CD material as has been recorded by the CD lineup, or Slash and Duff tweaking it... but HardSkool and Absurd aren't Tattoo Me

I thought Hard school was The general ??

Yeah... the not living together is not a good excuse...
You can send wav files nowadays and work separately, but I don't know, even out of curiosity they didn't even jam together to see whether something came out ? Thats easy to do...

Let me explain to those who are inclined to make shit up.

I'm not justifying anything. I don't have to. The band does what they want. Either that upsets you, or it doesn't. Simple as that.


You're upset that GN'R doesn't live together, or sit in a circle writing songs together? Tough luck. But it's not that uncommon that bands use songs that were finished or nearly finished, before recording them. As I pointed out. :)





They had to get an album out because they had a tour. So they used available material since it seemed like the best option.



What if GN'R released a song they worked on in the 1990s that was never finished and released? Would it be worse? Because it's older. Or better because it would be Axl, Duff and Slash (before they left the band)?

I guess these rules are kinda flexible.  :hihi:





/jarmo

I don't think better or worse... I was one of the people that based on older interviews (Duff on Stern) and the use of "Jackie Chan" as a working title, thought that HardSkool could have been from that 1995-1997 time frame. That doesn't make HardSkool better or worse, just would have given a glimpse at would could have been as a follow up to UYI.

Slash writing over a melody is Slash writing over a melody... does it matter if it started as a Duff idea, or a Josh Freese idea? No, BUT it would be nice to get something that started as a idea by one of them and kicked around by all of them post 2016...

I guess I'm not so concerned about when an idea appeared. If it wasn't used and/or released... If Slash has a riff he wrote in 1991 that he never used and records it with GN'R. Great!

If it's from 2021. Also great!






/jarmo

:hihi:

It's amazing to me how people are reading things into what Slash said that aren't there. He said they have not sat together and worked on a new album. Not that nobody is writing material for one.

LOL. Sorry but no, those unfinished ideas don't even come close to the brilliance of Snakepit or VR. The majority of those instrumentals were not even half finished, just one or two little chord progressions to them and that's it. Even the more finished ones still needed a LOT of work. Even the ones that have been drummed up a lot like Atlas Shrugged and Soul Monster were pretty underwhelming TBH. That said, Slash's mid-section added to HS vastly improved the song, so I'm still interested to hear them if they decide to use them.

What a ridiculous statement. ::)

He said they haven't worked on completely new songs, just the ones Axl has in the vault. And that's what bothers me.

Exactly....I think Slash was pretty clear on what he said. 

"SLASH Says GUNS N' ROSES Has Yet To Start Writing New Music", sounds clear to me.....sure, as individuals they may always be writing stuff that can be used and brought in later. However, given Slash wrote an entire album during the reunion  but couldn't even say (Yeah I penned a few things for Guns)doesn't exactly provide any hopeful speculation for me!

Read his words very carefully, this is a direct quote:

"As far as new GUNS is concerned, we haven't even gotten to that point of really in earnest sitting down and writing,"

Nowhere does he say that ideas aren't floating around. We know for a fact from previous interviews that he has explicitly said he sets aside riffs for Guns separate from SMKC riffs. He's saying they haven't sat down together to actually put their ideas together.

So you think a new album is imminent based on that comment? It seems clear to me that he's saying they are at square 1 regarding new music, which is weird since they've been back together for 6 years now. It's as close to saying "we really haven't done jack shit for a new album" as you can get, IMO. Obviously they won't say that because they want to keep the interest/hope alive and keep dangling that carrot for the next tour.

New music? They released two new songs this year.

We had nothing for years. And then once there is something, some decide that's not "new music" and go on and on about how the band didn't write any new music.


Maybe the plan is to release singles instead of an album immediately followed by "when's the next album coming?" comments? Who knows...

2016-2020: We need new music. Change the setlist
2021 (Band plays two just released songs during the tour): That's not new music. What about an album?


Gotta love it.

We lived through a similar era with Chinese Democracy. All people wanted was "new music" only to realize GN'R in the 2000s wasn't the new music they wanted.  :D



/jarmo
 

As long as people keep calling for new music.  Plenty of bands out there nobody cares if they put out music or not.  We're good, keep calling.  :D

Yeah. Guess complaining about the lack or new music means there's demand. But in the last 30+ years we've realized that the new music the band has put out hasn't been what some of those people seem to want.

GN'R Lies wasn't Appetite, Use Your Illusion I & II should've been one album, Oh My God was too industrial, Chinese Democracy wasn't GN'R, Hard Skool is old etc etc....

In essence, you can't please everyone. So do what feels right. :)






/jarmo

Ok, but being practical, that means, at least in my point of view, that a new album won't see the light of day in the near future.

You'd think that, in 6 years they've been together, they would have "sat down and put their ideas together".

Note that, to me, the problem is not reworking old songs, I'm fine with that, but I expected NOT ONLY that, but fresh new ideas coming from the THREE of them. Their talents complementing each other's.

Having Slash do some guitar work over someone else's song is fine, I'm glad we got that, but to me that's undeursing his talent and this band's real potential.

You have to think that Axl has no more a great interest in gnr and has no more fun in doin it, he said it and he shew it many times. Last time it was when he sang with ac dc... Try to wonder if he sang in the mickey mouse style what could had happened. And he was even open to write new stuff with ac dc.  But when it comes to gnr, you know, who cares. I think he's both lazy and overwhelmed by everything happened in these years with gnr. I think he's happy to be back with slash and making people happy (and his bank account too) is a gratifying thing. We just have to wait, this will be their last album in any case, so better for us if it's something good and not something put out just to satisfy people. Their potential has already been 30 years ago. Enjoy these 2 songs, be realistic  :beer:.

Why do some disregard the fact that they spent 2016 and 2017 touring the world? The first proper break in touring was probably early 2018.

I remember being home for about two weeks from end of May to early December in 2017. In total. So it's safe to assume recording and writing new music wasn't a priority for some time.





/jarmo

You sound like someone who knows that for a fact.

Oh, sorry. Wait a minute.....

You have no idea. :D


Did you attend any of the 2021 shows? No?
Did you talk to him and ask? No?

And yet you pretend like you know this....




/jarmo

The way I see it.  It's something created.  Some like it, some don't.  Some want it to always be the same and some are willing to take a walk on the wild side.  Just the talk that goes round.

But I notice you're online and jumping in there a lot.  Snowed in or is there smoke on the wind?  Yeah, I like to read between the lines.   :hihi:  I'm not the only one who does that.  :D

No it's just my opinion: i know u know axl and u talk to him and u had fun with him and you surely know what's going on in his mind, but it doesnt change the fact that he made 1 album in 30 years. 1. If it was his main working life target "lazyness" is the only word that comes to my mind. But You don't have to be sherlock holmes to understand  something that to me it's pretty clear.  How many albums slash has made (and a new 1 coming, wasn't he busy in tour? Ah!)?  And I'm not talking about quality, I'm talking about throwing yourself into something with passion showing some dedication. Something that in my opinion is lacking. But again, it's ok, there's nothing wrong in that, it is what it is, he can do whatever he wants to do, either my opinion is wrong or right... That's why i'm warning people: don't ask, dont expect anything, history speaks for itself... it's crazy to think that someone is going to change his way of doing his things just because u want to. Waste of time, move on.

Man.... The usual. Never claimed to know anyone.


I pointed out that your opinion is based on something you think you know. If you had actually attended show(s), you might've noticed the jokes, smiles and so on.


But it's always easier to stick to the "he's not having fun" or "he's always late" routines... Just to paint the picture that fits your "he doesn't wanna create music" opinion.



You mean like Chinese Democracy? The album that came out when most of you claimed it wouldn't. The album that came out even though it "wasn't GN'R"?

You're talking about the guy who kept GN'R going after everyone left and claim he lacks dedication and passion. The same things people hated him for, because he did keep GN'R going.


 :confused:




/jarmo

It's called being at home. :)




/jarmo

It wasn't my point. Infact i said it's satysfing making people happy (touring, sing old songs..) But gettin along well togheter it has nothing to do with producing new music. it's all another animal, all another energy required

No?

The 2021 Axl, who you claim doesn't have fun, released two new songs. With the band he doesn't have fun with.

I don't wish misery on anyone just so I can have "a new album".





/jarmo

He didn't realised "with". The others realised based on something which already existed 20 years ago. You're hopeless man  :rofl:... I gonna stop here, im not interested in tautology

Guns N' Roses, the band you claim he's not having fun in, released two new songs in 2021.

You're even confusing yourself about what you actually think you know.....  :hihi:




/jarmo

I don't get the "not having fun" argument. Sure I fall on the side that I'd like to see a song that Slash and Duff wrote vs. tweaking a Robin, Josh, or Paul song... BUT what in the world does any of that have to do with Axl not having fun. From 2016 on I think that might be the best 5 year stretch (in a row) that Axl has had in the band (possibly ever).

Slash is not an idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing when he says things like this publicly. He knows all too well the attention that any comment from the 3 of them will generate in regards to the next Gnr album - so for him to drop this right after the tour ends and he's going to start up the other stuff he has going on - is not an accident.
It doesn't mean there isn't something in the pipeline but I'm guessing I'm not going out on a limb suggesting he said this to just be real with people now that the tour is over - it's a little safer to say it now - that there is no next Gnr album at this current time and place - same old song and dance - that's it

On to the next chapter
Peace
 :peace:

How do you possibly get that from my comment? I made no comment on when, or even IF we will get an album. I don't know how I could have my point any clearer, honestly.

Sure, I agree. But in the meantime, we will be getting new material in the way of songs Axl has wanted to release for years. I think, as long as they use the release of that material to buy time for writing, it's not a big deal. I would be disappointed if they released all that stuff and then took a break to write an album. But then, I can't complain about work ethic with how lazy I am myself.  :hihi:

It's just a way for the experts to make it seem like they know more than they do.




/jarmo

it's funny to read that Axl doesn't care anymore or doesn't enjoy it since when you
watch live stuff online he's the one who appears to have more fun.

Slash is always in his zone concentrate on his guitar and doesn't even seem
concerned about interactions on stage, probably not in his contract.  :hihi:

and what is going on with Duff? if he somewhat interacts it looks like he made
a mistake, he looks happy as I look happy when I must go to a crowded place
full of Covid, the only place I've seen him smiling recently is on interviews about
his books.

so yeah, if someone looks happy about touring, it's Axl.

I'm asking if you think, based on his comments, that a new album is on the horizon. Sure, maybe they've floated ideas around, but his comments make it pretty clear (IMO) that there has been no meaningful movement on a new album. Slash is no dummy...he understands what reaction his comments will get. I think he's letting people know that a new album is not something the band is focused on. At best, we'll get re-hashed CD songs with new riffs and 20+ year old vocals as new songs...which is fine, but the lack of transparency is annoying. Caveat: I don't know Axl and yes, things can change.

I would suggest stop asking/expecting album updates. Anytime a band member has given an update, it's been met with "well, he lies" or something similar.

I'm fully aware that when people kept going "we want new music", and then once the band released new music, these people weren't happy. Maybe it's mainly because they either meant, or expected, something else with "new music". Which is obvious since now it's all about the A word. Album this, album that.



If you really want a hamburger, don't claim to want food... ;)





/jarmo

This is all accurate. Words don't mean anything, action does. And this band has created 1 album and 3 singles over 3 decades. That's what everyone should base their predictions on, so far as new music.

It's impossible to have an honest discussion with people who absolutely refuse to acknowledge other people's points of view. Yes, I understand the fans on this board who maintain hope and don't like to say anything negative about this band. I appreciate your love of this band. I understand it. But you seem incapable of actually considering other people's points of views, to look at it through their eyes and come to an understanding of their frustration and disappointment. It betrays a profound lack of empathy. People who complain love this band and are simply disappointed. Maybe consider that once in a while.

You think anyone here doesn't know how much music GN'R has released? You don't need to quote the discography to us... You're aware of that right?


The difference is that some spend their free time pointing it out as a negative, while others know it is what it is and focus on something else. :)



Your disappointment is not that uncommon. Some people are just like that.
So let me ask you, when was the last time you were happy (with GN'R)?

In my time online and interacting with GN'R fans, this kind of fans have always been around. That's over 25 years...




/jarmo

I'm not asking for anything...I'm simply commenting on what Slash said regarding a new album. Kind of the point of the discussion board, right? You make it sound so ridiculous that people would want a new album from their favorite band...like that's a wild concept or something. You also make it sound like new music (with 20+ year old vocals) is a super normal thing that people shouldn't ask any questions about.

If you're really a 5-star restaurant, you should have something else on the menu besides leftover chinese food... ;)

I've been excited periodically over the years. Excited by the VMA performance, even though it was pretty rough. Excited by leaks of new music and then release of Chinese Democracy. Excited by the reunion for a year or so. But all of this excitement was tempered by reality, that this legendary band squandered so much time and creative possibility. The things I got excited over when it came to GnR, don't even register for fans of bands like Pearl Jam who remain creatively vital. I cover the criminal justice system. I don't see the world through rose-colored glasses. I see it for what it is. So, it's possible to have a reasoned discussion, to acknowledge that this band has been creatively fallow for 3 decades when it comes to releasing music, and also enjoy the band for what it is today. But when you deny reality, when you actively push back against facts, that's when it becomes problematic. So, you are not simply being positive, you refuse to acknowledge simple statements of fact or reality and mock people who do. That's what people do in politics.

It's not ridiculous. It's just everything that comes with wanting one that is kinda..... Well, not that interesting to be honest. We've been through this already. Like I mentioned somewhere sometime, Chinese Democracy was a lot of people waiting. And then, it didn't change their lives after all... Same this year, "we want new music". Ok, here's some new songs. And... "Those aren't new!". Well you didn't specify that you want an album with material composed by everyone sitting together... ;)





Well, when you're hungry, you don't necessarily start asking for the nine course tasting menu. You'd be happy with a stir-fry.






Excited? Does that equal happy?


I get what you're saying. To me it's not so much about what they do for me, or didn't. Because there are things in life you have zero control over. Personally getting upset about things like that, it's a bit pointless to be honest. I'd rather focus on something else. But that's just me.

I enjoy what they have given us so far. I like plenty of artists who stopped making music for whatever reason. GN'R didn't. I can be grateful for that. Instead of resentful because the quantity not being up to whatever personal standards people have.






/jarmo

Props to you for this response to my post. I appreciate it. And I do acknowledge that this band has brought a great deal of joy and entertainment to its fans in various forms over the years, more so than many bands, even if it doesn't come in the form I desire. And that should be rightfully lauded.

You still didn't answer the question though. You equate excitement with happiness?

I remember the 2002 MTV VMAs. It was exciting to see GN'R live on TV. It was exciting that they were the big surprise at a show I used to watch every year.

But that excitement didn't necessarily last for long. It was replaced by happiness. Being happy that the band was back on TV. Being happy that there was something happening. And so on.


I guess it's like getting a present. You're excited about it. Then you get it, and hopefully it makes you happy.... For quite some time. Even if the excitement wears off.






/jarmo

I get what you're saying. And I definitely don't equate excitement with happiness, though they often come as a momentary package. To me, the most powerful human emotion is hope. It's what drives us all, and the absence of hope is when the soul withers. Often times hope takes faith, other times it takes effort. In the framework of this discussion, when it comes to the affection one has for a band or musician, there is hope that you will be able to enjoy more of their unique voice and vision. And when you feel like that hope is misplaced, or that in the end it is false hope, it's disappointing and hurts because what you have of that artist is now finite.

But whatever. Honestly, I'd take a whole album of reworked, unreleased music from 20 years ago. I hope that the two newly released songs aren't all there is ... that's what I'll say.

Of course everyone here hopes that there's more "new music" coming. To assume otherwise would be quite ridiculous.

But this manifests itself in different ways. Some can hope and wish, but go on about their lives without feeling negative feelings towards the band/artist. Others can't.

Now, what causes that? I don't know.... I can only guess.



/jarmo

I think we're overestimating how often they "looked happy" back in the day. Steven was the only one that actually smiled through the whole show. We just remember the rare moments where they hugged and stuff because they made for iconic pictures that also got used in retrospect to make the breakup seem that much more tragic. If you watch Paris or Tokyo '92, nobody was smiling any more than they are today. Frankly, it would be weird if they were.

No, I don't. But I do think it indicates that more new music is on the horizon, just not in the form of an album, and I'm cool with that.

As far as transparency, I think we should all know how attempts at transparency have bitten these guys in the ass their entire lives. All things considered, this seems fairly open book to me; they aren't writing an album together yet, but they are working on recording other stuff to release.

This is still good news, the way I see it. Funny enough, I was just going through a retrospective of the breakup and for me, it highlighted how different things are today and how absurd people are being comparing 2021 to 1996. They are all more mature adults, Axl is not worried about Slash and Duff dying on him unexpectedly, they are willing to give and take with Slash doing Axl's songs and Axl doing stuff like Slither and Coma for Slash.

If they keep releasing songs/singles, is that so much worse than having them on one album instead?





/jarmo

I’m good with that. It’d be nice to get them all packaged together further down the line as a special edition though.

Either way, new GnR music and I’m good 🙂

I'm ready for the next single!  Create my own GNR album.  About once a month is good.  Won't miss them so much when they are off the road.

Er, it's coming up on Christmas.  Can't complain about a cover song with that.

Bring on Atlas Shrugged!

What’s your honest opinion Jarmo, do you think we’ve to wait until the tour kicks off again next summer before we see any more single releases?

Good question.

I guess if there was one before the tour even started, it'd be a cool way to "hype" the tour... But would that be in May, April or earlier?




/jarmo

HardSkool came out mid tour so its also possible they release something while on the road. If HardSkool becomes a staple in the next tour then anything is possible.

In reality, it means we get them sooner than we would if they all had to be packaged together

I hope the next single is the General  :beer:

Veteran's Day on the 11th.  :D  And we just lost Colin Powell.  :'(

This is the song I’m most intrigued about. I really do hope we get to hear it one day

I think the General will be played next year  :beer:

The guy who lied about WMDs to get us into a forever war that would kill 1-2 Million human beings? He will be sorely missed.

🙄🙄🙄. Can’t help yourself can you

I'm sorry you're offended by facts. Can't help yourself, can you? I didn't bring it up, snowflake. You should work on that. Not a good way to go through life.

I brought it up but you have no idea all that I meant by one little emoji.  And you have no idea if he's offend by your comment or your behavior.  Personally I think he was having a little chuckle as was I.  You have an agenda.  Keep the politics in the politics thread.  We're discussing GNR out here.  Take the name calling back to grade school.  You're not the board life coach, we can figure out how to live on our own.

YOU brought up the politician. Don't you tell me to keep politics out of this thread. Unbelievable, the hypocrisy.

Gee, I wonder what a crying emoji could mean? That's a real mystery. You certainly don't have an agenda, nope!  ::)

My comment was sarcastic humor. I'd love to hear an explanation of how "damnthehaters" comment is somehow humor...


Boy, where was this response when those exact same words were said by another commenter? Because I literally copied and pasted them. You had no problem with it then, funny...

He’s one of the mature ones on the board.

You run around this board picking a fight with your political agenda.  It was funny for a while how predictable you are.  I thought I was the only one finding it annoying but apparently not.  This is a thread about new music and we were discussing The General.

You may have heard parts of it somewhere.

- Axl, December 2008




/jarmo

I think its 2 separate arguments.

I agree with you.  Axl seems to be having a blast on stage.  Has for the past 5 years.  I think it's the happiest he's ever been up there, based on all available bootlegs and confirmed stories of him on tour over the years.

But that has what to do with the fact that Axl and ambition called it quits 20 years ago?  Yeah, he's having fun up there with his old mates playing the stuff that made him famous.  In terms of doing new things creatively?  Where??

Even if you really want to plant the "we got 2 new songs this year!" flag...OK.  We got 2 reworked song that had been around for 20 years.  If he really wanted to blow out skirts up, he'd put out something that wasn't written and recorded in 1999.

While I think Jarmo's Rolling Stones example was a little off, as the lineup outside of the Brian Jones, Mick Taylor, Ronnie Wood 2nd guitar spot was static and "The Rolling Stones" wrote them. I have no problem getting a new old song... It's not Axl's fault we have been listening to the leaks, so they should be new to us. BUT... I would honestly rather have gotten a retouched 1994-1997 era song than a 1999-2000 era song written by Paul, Josh, Robin, Brain, Bucket, or Pittman.

BUT... new is new, I can't fault them for the release of music that never should have been heard (outside of a handful of Silkworms performances from 20 years ago).

I have a sincere question for you. Were you a fan of Chinese Democracy? If you are the reason I am asking is why knock 2 re worked songs from that era of GNR. I know their seems to be a part of the fanbase that seems to wanna forget the years of 2000-2012. But what if there is material that we haven't heard of from that era that has yet to see the light of day and because it wasn't played by Slash & Duff should that music not be heard? Whether its a song dropped randomly like they have done recently or release a full album i wanna hear everything that axl did from those years. I think the only reason people look down on Chinese Democracy the album is because you don't have the names Slash & Duff attached where if it had i think people here would be putting it at Illusions level good.

Man, I’ve been obsessed with that song ever since Axl typed those words  :hihi:

 :-X

We're talking about you. Allegedly! ;)




/jarmo

agree with you

Haha, when/if(?) the song gets released I’m buying everyone here a beer  :beer: :hihi:

Nothing incorrect or wrong with any of this - but I just believe it's a matter of perspective
What I mean is that if Slash and Duff never rejoined - that is - if we still had the Ashba, Stinson etc crew - and they released these two songs at the same time - it would be a very different vibe all together

But...getting the two of them back on board - seeing the chemistry - watching an absolute rock n roll force tour the world for the last several years - it's hard to fault fans for thirsting for a little of the brilliance that brought most of us here in the first place....AKA - original material - not stuff that really has a revolving door of mercanaries' stamp on it that these guys just reworked and added to -

Did you get your little snipe in there? Good. Very mature.  : ok:


YOU brought politics into this, not me. Colin Powell is a politician. Nobody is buying your little sleight of hand acting like you didn't start this. Your predictable "I'm an impartial centrist so anyone who disagrees with me is a partisan" game is exhausting. Damnthehaters was annoyed because he's a right winger. Catch a clue.


Correct, so stop talking about Colin Powell.

Only do two rebuttals when derailing a thread.  So yeah, we're done talking.

Back to the topic, The General could be partially about Powell.  He's the only general I can recall getting publicity back when it was written.  Then again there is Tommy who was referred to as the general in GNR but his birthday was back in October.  Missed any correlating date with that.  We have Veteran's Day Thursday, maybe GNR has a new release for us.  Then again GNR may not even be thinking about the date having something to do with when songs are released.

Could be about the car insurance General. There's a Shaq connection there as well..

 :rofl:  Oh yeah, forgot that connection.

Sounds better than a free Dr Pepper...  :hihi:




/jarmo

I'm fine with the 2 songs we got.  I think 'Absurd' is kind of a mess, but I love 'Hard Skool'.  Listen to it literally every day.

I just can't roll my eyes far back enough in my head to hear some claim this is the ultimate validation.

The reality is that the pandemic gave them nothing but time and took away all excuses.  Over a solid year. 

And the output was 2 reworked songs that Axl did 20 years ago.  With dudes that aren't "Guns N Roses" to anyone but a hardcore Axl apologist.

I keep telling anyone that will listen that this is strictly a touring and money making operation now.  And I'm cool with that.

At least I can refer to them as actual Guns N' Roses with a straight face.  For too long...I couldn't.

Hahahahaha

This thread was overdue for some levity.  Got a little heavy there, past few pages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7mH8ulKAbE&ab_channel=AppetiteforDistortion

You got all the clichés in one post.

It wasn't GN'R, Axl apologists, touring only, reworked songs.

Good job!  : ok:





/jarmo

 ::)

Don’t post that….nobody wants to hear what really happened! It’s better living on Fantasy Island!

Which part of Flat Earth is it on? ;)






/jarmo

Thanks for posting. Love Brain’s enthusiasm.

The General is also one of the four songs Marco Beltrami said he worked on way back in 2002 I believe. Thyme, Leave Me Alone aka Soul Monster/Elvis, and Seven.

If you go back to the Next Album thread 1st page has just about every nugget of information there is on unreleased songs

the ironic thing is I remember it was Bumblefoot approach, a single at a time and then put the whole
tracks as an album, apparently the more efficient way to obtain finished work with Axl.

well, I personally prefer a new album with all the songs in one time because I like to discover the
entire thing at the same time, call me old schooler on this one

I guess that's a no for The General on Veteran's Day.  You're MIA GNR but we're still looking for you.   :love:

All you vets  :love:

Maybe he was ahead of his time...


But seriously, both have pros and cons. Individual songs is like getting appetizers all night to go with those beers. Compared to getting the whole pizza at once...


But the media is still kinda album oriented. If you read a music magazine (remember those?) you'll see that they still review albums.

Artists get interviewed when they have a new album.




/jarmo

That's kind of just it.  Who is reading magazines?  Where are people getting their information about new music?  Are they buying albums or singles?  I can see where GNR was having discussions about how to release music.

Personally, I'm an album snob.  I'd be a vinyl snob but it's just easier to download it and have it right now.  I only need to know my favorite artists have a new album and I click the buy button.  Online music sources run short stories.  A couple of quotes that get that click and who needs a long interview to take up a couple of pages in a magazine with dwindling circulation.  An album gets you limited time in the media but singles get you attention every time on the net.  How many times do you see stories that DJ is releasing a single?  Does GNR want continuous coverage?  If so, I think the single is the way to go.

Yeah, with the emergence of social media, magazines have less of a importance.

But, on the other hand, I guess the people who still buy music reads these magazines....

The ones who aren't hardcore fans but might buy a CD or LP, or a concert ticket.


We, the hardcore fans, aren't the majority. This is something that's sometimes overlooked. So whatever we like, might not be a good representation of what the majority likes...





/jarmo

Bottom line, I think we're still at whatever the record label wants.  Aren't they the ones fronting the money?  The ones presenting the options?  The ones with all the research telling them how to do this?  I think GNR gets limited choices from the choices offered to them by the label.  GNR could be just as frustrated with the situation as we are.

So you’re telling me the record label chose Absurd as the first release with Slash and Duff back? :hihi:

I hope it's the other way around.

Artistic freedom.

But I have no idea...






/jarmo

 ;D

Not wanting to continue to push my feelings about that song  :hihi:, I said choices, who know who made that choice.

gimme the whole pizza I'm starving

I think Absurd makes sense in the context of GNR being an irreverent, sometimes shocking band who only care about doing what they want and not what will sell in the mainstream. Just like Oh My God, it's about making a strong artistic statement, not trying to score another Sweet Child O Mine hit. I respect that, regardless of what I think of the song (and I think it's cool, much better live though).

First single from Appetite: It's So Easy
First single from Spaghetti Incident: Ain't It Fun
First song from Chinese: Shackler's Revenge






/jarmo

wait, what? it was the first single from CD?

Fist song released from the album. It was in the Rock Band 2 video game released in September 2008. The following month, If The World was in the movie Body Of Lies and then in November, the Chinese Democracy single was released.....




/jarmo

It's an interesting argument that SR was the first single. I agree with you although it certainly isn't a traditional radio/vido format single. So what would you say was the first Illusions single? KoHD or Civil War? I guess You Could be Mine was the first official single in that it had a video, but the others were first - only on different albums, right?

And  the Chinese Democracy single unfortunately didn't get much FM airplay at the time. Remember that I heard it only a few times & then it was gone.

Notice how I said song, not single.

Meaning, the first song released to the public.

The first songs heard from UYI2 were Civil War and Knockin' On Heaven's Door. The first single was You Could Be Mine.



/jarmo

Actually I didn’t notice. Haha. But yeah I get it. I actually didn’t disagree. So if guns puts out a new album next year and Oh My God is on it, then is that the first single?  ;D

( by the way, just having fun with you. I don’t really care. I’m glad we’re hearing new stuff!)

Oh My God wasn't released as a commercial single nor was there a video...  :hihi:




/jarmo

Was Hard Skool and Absurd released as singles? I think spotify lists them as singles. But, are they singles for a future album, or will there be new singles leading up to an album release?

I'd say they are singles since you can buy them on Apple Music and they also have their own artwork on Spotify.

Are they on the album? Who knows....



/jarmo

It was nearly impossible to get to hear it at the time  for a band that had blanket airplay and exposure with Appetite and the Illusions albums,It was a really strange time to be a GnR fan as it was just Axl and a bunch of unknown players whereas before you had this 5 piece of very recognisable individuals who fans could aspire to and brought their own distinctive sounds to the band.

I guess one man's "cliches" are another man's "stuff I am not permitted to say out loud".

When I am proven wrong on any of it, we can all have a good laugh.  Drinks all around.

The leaks in 2006 got more airplay than the actual singles.  Kind of strange.

BTW, I have yet to hear 'Hard Skool' on the radio.

I find that very odd.  You have pretty catchy, radio friendly Guns N' Roses that is 100% recognizable as Guns N' Roses.

It's currently at #10 on the Billboard Mainstream Rock National Airplay chart. So it's obviously getting played on some radio stations.




Well in your mind you've never been wrong to begin with.... Kinda pointless to make promises like that! :D



/jarmo

That is odd. Who listens to FM Radio nowadays? I’ve heard it on SiriusXM but typically I would assume most people stream.

I only listen to the radio when I'm in my car (not very often) and I've heard it twice so far on a rock station.

I've had it play on SiriusXM at least half a dozen times (and I don't spend much time in my car, which is the only time I have Sirius on).

It's popped up on some Pandora "stations" for me quite a few times.

But I agree: Mostly spotify and Youtube Music streams.

Same here…Apple Music…radio stations and videos are over. It’s just different for the old school fans. The only way to show their value is ticket sales at concerts and merchandise. It is what it is and Guns is still a money making machine.

I own a CD single of OMG... Not sure if it was like a radio promo though. I know I have the Welcome to the Jungle Live Era Radio Promo, so OMG could be the same... but there was a radio single sent out.

I really hope these are 2 songs to start off promotion for an all new album. I personally would not want them on an album. I just can’t lose hope for a proper album from the current band.

Now, don’t get me wrong, the remainder of Chinese Sessions is way more than one album and it would be cool to hear them in their last state prior to the changing of the guard.

Funny thing is, this board is FILLED with you and others CONSTANTLY saying what you want.
And then you (and others like yourself) complain that you are being persecuted because Jarmo doesn't agree with you or accept your premise.

He doesn't censor or prohibit anyone from posting their opinions (repeated ad nauseam) he just counters with his own position, and defends the band that he is a such a fan of that he has dedicated and maintained a forum for such people to post on for over 20 years!

You should owe this man some credit for the endless amount of patience he has shown to all of the poor, persecuted GNR "fans" who present their opinions as facts and feel entitled to trash the band on an endless basis.

That's awesome.  Good to know.


I am am long on record there ain't no album coming, ever.  Should one materialize, logically, I will have to eat some shit.  Just how it is.

Yet to hear you tell it, my saying there ain't no album coming so forget it...despite there being not only no album in the offing, but several confirmed statements from ACTUAL BAND MEMBERS that nothing is happening.....I am still wrong?

If you say so, boss man.

Jarmo quoted me, I quoted him.  That's how conversation works, dude. 

Now, since its you and I talking now, here is where I think your argument takes on some water.  And tell me if you find this out of line.  It's all good.

I did not have much positive to say during the late era Chinese Democracy era.  I know it.  Everyone knows it.  My all time favorite band was playing with replacements of the replacements.  They were reduced to playing "up close and personal" caliber venues <wink>...and NOT SELLING THEM OUT.  I was simply commenting on the situation at the time.  Shit was grim.

But check my posts from 2016 to 2019.  Nothing but praise.  Praise for the live shows.  Praise for Axl's professionalism.  Telling anyone and everyone to grab a ticket when they come around, like I did twice, because they were killing it.  Again...commenting on the situation at the time.  Things were good.

I'm coming up on 10 years here.  Look at his posts.  Never is heard a discouraging word.  Now, I don't think we are all stupid.  I think there is a general awareness of why that situation is the way it is.  I don't expect miracles.  He's never going to come on here and be super critical.  But how far in the other direction do you swing?  There has not been ONE criticism that was ever valid?  In near 10 years?

Gets the side eye from me.  That's all.

P.S. - I have also defended him many times both here and at other boards.  And I often say if the caricature of him that is portrayed elsewhere was accurate, I'd have been gonezo 8 years ago.  My coming up on 10,000 posts here refutes the point he's some dictator.

Jarmo quoted you. You quoted him. I quoted you. You quoted me. I'm quoting you. You don't have to tell me how conversations work.

Dude.

I didn't ask for your credentials as a fan or as a forum member.
And to be honest, I don't fucking care.

You're trying to tell me your opinions of the band, good and/or bad must be met without disagreement by the guy who has been running a GNR message board for 20 plus years or else he is censoring your voice.

He is a dedicated GNR fan. He has no obligation, nor does anyone else, to validate your feelings and opinions toward the band. And as a fan, by his own definition and on his own message board, he is entitled to counter any negative disposition you may post, if he so chooses.

But go find your people and vent your frustrations if you must. And continue to do so, no matter how boring and repetitive it may be.

Now, since it's just you and I talking, I know you're not the only one who maintains this view and behaves as such. You're just one of many who annoy me and so I decided to call you out on it.

Nothing personal, other than the obnoxious part...

Carry on.
I know you will...

I know better than to believe that. There's always some excuse. "Oh, but these songs are old, so it doesn't count" or something.  :hihi:



So let me ask you this.... Since it's, in your opinion, solely a touring operation now. What would it take to change that, in your expert opinion?

Does the fact that they released two new songs, played them on tour, have any effect on this? Does it make GN'R less of a touring only band? I mean, logically speaking, you could say they only release music to be able to tour. Like any artist would.... So, what's the deal?






Well, thank you!






/jarmo

No big deal, man.  All good.  Decent back and forth dialogue never hurt anybody.  Makes for a better board.

End of the day, we are talking about a rock band here.  We aren't exactly solving the world's problems. Life is far too short to not keep things in perspective.

100% with you on this point.  I think that argument is lame and misguided.

As I believe you said earlier, 'November Rain' was around in some form in the 80s.  Didn't mean I enjoyed it any less then it finally became official in September 1991.

Shit, man...I still get all geeked up for Slash's guitar outro.  Even now.  Having heard the song probably over 500 times.

A good tune is a good tune.



I think the release of 2 new tracks this year is a 100% positive.  I think arguments to the contrary are nuts.  How is possibly a *bad* thing?  Make no sense to say that.

So what would change the definition for me?  A new album.

I don't expect them to put out an album while touring.  But they have been back together 5 years now.  There has been downtime between legs of tours.  And then we had that pesky worldwide pandemic where they had nothing but time.

None of that time has been used to do anything new creatively.  I like the fact 2 new tracks were released, but they were tweaked versions of existing stuff.  I can't rationalize how all this time back together and they are nowhere on something new and fresh.  My only logical takeaway is that they really don't care.  You make your own breaks in life.  If they wanted to get on this, they would have by now.

That's where I'm at.


I think you get a bad rap.  I truly do.  

Do I break your balls a lot of the time?  Clearly, I do.  We have some serious differences in perspective on things.

But you run a good board.  Other GNR boards are insane asylums compared to this place.

And like I said earlier, you giving a guy like me a lot of rope doesn't do much to support the thinking that you only permit happy talk.

I appreciate what you do for us as a fanbase.  Even if I don't always seem like I do.  I do.

Exactly! Agreed.

I guess it's the curse of the Internet. Because people know something, it affects their opinion to the point where it becomes too important....



I think the assumption people make that if X has Z amount of free time, it will/should be used for ______. I'll let you in on a (not so) secret. It doesn't. People have lives.

Sometimes you can make plans, sometimes you can't.

Sometimes you make plans and things still don't turn out like you had planned. All these "excuses" right? But that's how life is.


I mean, I might be the only one here who doesn't really "care" what songs they release, as long as they wanna release them. As long as they do what they want/think is right. I'll be happy to listen.

I don't sit and feel upset that they didn't use some supposed down time from touring sitting together writing. I guess some are hoping the band would be trying to recreate something...







Thanks! :)





/jarmo

ah yeah, in Rock Band, I remember that now thx...well, it should have been the first single tooin my opinion,
probably the most catchy song on CD, it was rocking and modern, if the term means something

I think I agree.  About the single part, I mean.

I really dig that tune.  Think it's one of the stronger on the album.  And, as you say, from an A&R perspective, it's very appealing.

Great track. Maybe not the most easily accessible on the album. But great nonetheless and was fun when played live.




/jarmo

Thing about 'Shackler's Revenge' live was that it suffered from sub par backing vocals.  Which you 100% need for that one.

Now with Duff and Melissa back there, it might work better live, I think.  Their backing vocals really add a lot to the current stage show, I think.

They might rework it a little, like they did with Better......

But would be interesting to hear.





/jarmo

I saw Shacklers live in 2010. Got a YouTube video of it. Absolutely frickin amazing. I’d post it for you guys to enjoy but I fear the YT police will delete it

Wise decision. Sad state of affairs when we can't share links to live videos though.

Since when does fan filmed footage get taken down? It's all over YT. Here's a 2009 performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kaB7MwYRIo

It's been happening for a few years. At some point GNR (or whoever) went really hardline about this stuff. Check out some of the recent show threads and try the youtube links, for example here (https://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=69241.msg1478287#msg1478287) and here (https://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=69235.msg1478075#msg1478075). Most have been removed already due to "copyright claim by Universal Music Group."

I've seen people post travel videos where they have muted the audio if a famous song is playing somewhere (like out of a store, or performed by some street performer etc.). Just to avoid copyright issues.






/jarmo

Love Shacklers. The 2009-2014 lineup really shined on that one.
Actually im not sure if anyone except Bumblefoot can pull off that fretless solo ;D

Im really glad i got to experience that era of GN'R. There was this ''lets just have fun'' vibe to it.

I like most of Shackler's but the pre-chorus just feel so out of place to me. It's too upbeat in such a dark song.

Guns N Roses though (whether the band or the label) are notorious for going after YouTubers... For instance you have people like vocal coaches, guitar teachers, General Music sites... That cover hundreds of artists, but GnR are the one band that they either refuse to touch all together, or they need to cut it up into snippets of a specific vocal track that can't also include the music. In almost all cases they (the YouTuber) are perfectly happy to non monetize that video and allow the band/label to monetize it. BUT GnR just gives them a strike and forces it's removal.

Rick Beato is one that won't touch them, which is a shame because his "What Makes This Song Great" series is really interesting to watch. He breaks down the way the song was written, gets deep into music theory, recording info like how and why they did things a certain way. He's done notoriously "hard to work with" bands like Led Zeppelin and Metallica with their full tracked out studio recordings, but can't do GnR.

I find this really strange. For years Guns tutned a blind eye to fanshot vids and bootlegs. A few years ago that seemed to change drastically. Which sucks quite frankly.

Some bootlegs, I can understand the record company wanting to remove. Like when the AFD re-issue was coming out.

But then when it's studio recordings, covers etc., makes you wonder if it's due to licensing issues between Youtube/Google and the record company.....





/jarmo

The answer seems simple to me, Axl doesn't care to go through the process of creating new music from scratch anymore.  Perhaps the process of making CD turned him off to doing it ever again.  Not saying this couldn't change in the future, but its clearly been this way for a long time.

That being said, this must be accepted.  Wishing for something is one thing, but let it go.  Enjoy what we do get with reworked songs.  Hopefully we'll get more.  One day, maybe the wish will come true, but it until then, let it go.

Cowboys-Saints game just advertised the debut of a new video for 'Hard Skool' dropping tomorrow on the NFL morning show.

Holy shit.

I fully buy into getting leaks and rough demo's of unreleased music off YouTube. I can even see going after say the Boston footage of Absurd knowing what the plans were just a few days later... Let the Studio version get the attention it deserves before the first ever live performance gets analyzed a million different ways based on a cell phone recording in the oldest ballpark in America...

Having said that it's the trouble the band/label goes through with the Beato videos, or the vocal coaches that take the tracks to instruct you on how Axl sings something or how you can sing like him... VERY VERY rarely are those being presented in a negative light. Even the "Rap fan reacts to (fill in the rock band)" videos have value in pointing people that may not know the band outside of "the song that plays during NFL kickoffs". I just don't understand the motive in removing it. YouTube actually gives the band/label the full authority to monetize the video for themselves. People like Rick have said they are fine not monetizing those videos and just getting their "expertise" that they are trying to share out there.

It just seems like there is an unhealthy amount of energy put into what become negative fan experiences/reactions.

Having said that, bring down the weight of the world on leakers... but what does Rick telling people how good November Rain is, or how interesting the change in Rocket Queen is from a Music theory prospective do to hurt the band? Shouldn't they be fostering a furthering of music and not trying to squash people sharing the knowledge with GnR fans?

But that's the thing, I don't know the legal /contract side of things.

It's the right of the owner of the material to decide what should be out in the public domain.

Not that it's the same thing at all, but occasionally songs/albums disappear from Spotify only to reappear later. It's all a mystery to me why it happens...





/jarmo

I get that totally… BUT like everything else, this seems to only be a problem of this magnitude with this band. There are bands that share a label with GnR that have their music all over YouTube, but most of these content creators specifically mention GnR when talking about the difficulty some bands cause.

Who knows… they apparently have very unique challenges that other bands don’t.

AC/DC is very much the same way. They were old school and refused to put their music on iTunes for a while, but eventually relented. As I understand they are still very hard for Beato and reaction Youtubers to deal with. I doubt the bands themselves are dictating that reactions shouldn't be allowed or anything of that specificity. I'd be surprised if they even know about reaction videos. They probably just give a general edict to be strong on piracy and its the label that takes it to such an extent in reality. They actually do the monitoring and takedowns, after all.

In fact, I've heard Youtubers who had personal relationships with artists say that they simply asked and got their videos reinstated because the artist their self had no problem with it.

A bit of topic, but it kinda shows how things have changed nowadays...

The Beatles: Get Back is a must watch documentary. I love the Beatles, they wrote so many great songs...

Get Back is mainly about a band getting together at the studio, trying to write and record an album in just three weeks, personal differences aside.

This is how Paul came with the melody, chorus and riff of one of their most famous songs in less than two minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kOQ5sgzhRA&t=153s

Now fast forward 52 years...what if Axl, Slash and Duff spent three weeks together in the same room to write and record an album? Just three weeks of "fuck it, let's just fucking do it and see what happens..."

It'd be awesome if they filmed the entire experiment too.

I know Axl is a huge Beatles fan and I'm pretty sure he's watched the documentary...

Beatles ...awesome talent in that room (Not Yoko  :hihi:)

But I get your point - and agree - sometimes just have fun and let your guard down a little

Easier said than done.

However, sometimes a deadline is what you really need. I suffer from a lack of a deadline the same way Axl seems to.

TESTIFY

Why people fight this, I will never know.

Give me some Axl quotes on this.  Where's the facts to back that opinion? 

Accept that you've been talking to yourself and that you have read on GNR boards.   I'd let that opinion go.

Exactly.

The old "I think that, therefore it's a fact" mentality strikes again. ;)

Oh yeah, and also the "Well he hasn't done it so it must not interest him. The actions speak for themselves" excuse.

At the end of the day, they know close to nothing about what he actually wants.... For people who like to think they know it all, that must hurt a bit....

 


/jarmo

We all get why Jarmo feels the needs to circle the wagons to fight the sheer injustice of it all when people so much as notice Axl doesn't seem terribly interested in creating new music.

But, seriously guy...what's your angle?  Where's your payoff??

I think the past 5 years have been a great time to be a GNR fan.  Got probably the best rock tour of that time period out of anyone out there.  Got 2 "new" songs, depending on how you choose to define the term.  And everyone on that stage seems to be having a good time with all this.  Probably no more so than Axl, which is amazing to see, given his history.

These are all good things, great things, even.  These past 5 years have kicked the ever loving shit out of what we went through the prior 20.

But this constant "HOW DARE YOU" and "YOU GOD SOME BALLS, MISTER" when it comes to the calling out the clear lack of this current band creating anything brand spankin' new is laughable.  And walking it's way right up to being completely embarrassing.  Right on that border.

Again, when I'm proven wrong, we will all have a big laugh.  The next round will be on me.

Until that time, I will continue to spike the football on this aspect of their operation.  Because there is zero to refute my claims and PLENTY of evidence that I am more than simply on the right track.

Let's hope I'm wrong.  Shit...*I* hope I'm wrong.

But I doubt it.

The reality is that you're never wrong.... In your own opinion.

Let me just give you an example:

"They'll never release new music, they just wanna tour!"

Band releases two singles

"But those songs are old! They don't wanna write new material!"



They could be writing a song at this moment, save it for later, and once they released it, you could always say "but the song is old"....


Always an excuse not to be wrong.  : ok:



I've been wrong numerous times. I'll admit it. I don't know everything. Occasionally I'm wrong. Sometimes I guess wrong, it happens. I don't really care if people believe me or not. Everyone's got an opinion....




/jarmo

We're all disappointed we haven't gotten more music out of GNR.  But we get talking about why, making assumptions, trying to understand and we basically go up our own assholes when we think we know the reason why.  Ask yourself what you really know and what is just opinion from what you've read on GNR boards.

I blame GNR for not letting us know what's going on but then again it's also a business and I totally get that the fans are outsiders and there's only so much information they are entitled to.  We're just the fans.

I’d love to hear Slash’s unadulterated honest option why there’s been no record released yet

ERRONEOUS!

I'm extremely disappointed in this bad take, soldier.  

There are SEVERAL posts from me on that topic.  Stating that is doesn't matter when something was written (or recorded for that matter) to make it "new"

My god, dude.  Some of those posts are CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU FOR FUCK'S SAKE, where I am agreeing with you!  As well as chastising others for having the contrasting opinion.

Be better.

I agree with that.

Here is where some people lose me.  I take nothing but grief from some for these supposed blasphemous opinions on lack of new material and reason for such.

Then something like Slash's comment come out where he says they haven't really been in the studio proper or done anything yet.

How am I, and othesr like me, somehow STILL taking the loss on this debate?  That's the kind of thing I find to be the ultimate weak sauce.  I have the opinions I have based on all available evidence.  Then, even though one of the principal players in all this confirms that very thing...not only am I still "wrong" (somehow).....but the people telling me I am "wrong" never have to issue even a half hearted admission that what Slash said was discouraging.

I'm saying, people who have that mentality will never be wrong (in their own minds)....




/jarmo

Is that so hard to say?

Apparently...yes.  Yes, it is.

For me it's the constant speculation and assumption it has to be Axl's fault.  It's drilled into people's head during these board discussions.  He even said something about you don't know what it took just to be where he was at when he said it.  It always comes back to it's Axl fault.  Beta who knows, said he works all the time, although that was a while ago.  Remember the lawsuit against Azoff?  People forget he won that but bitched he wasted time with lawsuits. 

Is the answer to everything really Axl's fault?  Is he really that bad guy, controlling everything?  Angus said he came in, didn't have a problem with him and he nailed it.  The cartoon people, same thing.  Duff and Slash still willing to truck around the planet with him.

We want stuff as fans, doesn't mean the band has to or plans on giving it to us.  What puts us in the wrong is thinking we know what's going on, believing our own assumptions from our pit of despair.  :hihi:  But I hear ya, where the hell is the music?

Oh, I apologize that my generalization insulted you personally. It wasn't my aim. I was wrong, sorry.

Apparently, no it isn't.




/jarmo

That's the thing, we don't know, and Axl doesn't tell us, which leads to speculation and assumptions. Those chats back in '08 were extremely enlightening, and I think softened people's opinions about Axl for a long time. But that was a long time ago now, and Axl hasn't said a whole lot (to us) in the interim, so we don't really know where his head is at from an artistic standpoint anymore.

Maybe he just learned from his experiences of being excited and talking about things that didn't pan out. Just like everyone else in the band.





/jarmo

Let me try with a bit of an analogy. ;D It is probably a bad analogy because the two businesses have nothing in common but still paints a picture :rofl:
I am in the construction business... Let me compare building a house to making music
In order to make a house (song), one needs to have an idea (concept) of what he wants to build (ideas of songs).
Then there is a two year period of paper works just to start creating an official project for a house (getting the band together, thinking about financing, etc.)
Drawing the actual project (writing songs and music)
Working on the finance for building (talking to record companies)
Starting to build (going into the studio and recording parts of music)
Once we finish building we have the inspection (the mix of a song) and do the legal paperwork (printing music)
Selling the house, advertising, etc. (selling music, advertising and touring)
Now in a construction company it is straight forward, the goal is to make the most amount of money in the least amount of time and repeat the process.
Making a building with 12 apartments is another level (an album)
Building a compound with a couple of buildings is the ultimate challenge.
I think that GNR or Axl started building a compound, he has got a lot of unfinished buildings that he has been building for 20+ years, he has finished a fantastic building in 2008 but hasn't sold all that well.
He is still building... and wants to finish it somehow on his own terms.
People are demanding all sorts of stuff...
We want to buy apartments from you now!!
Abandon all that you have been working on for two decades and start building new buildings...
Others have already made 20 houses while you haven't finished yours yet...
You have finished only two houses, we want more... right now!
Let us into the construction site to see what you have been working on!
etc., etc.

Sick of reading the same old arguments and counter arguments in this thread. Surely it cannot be disputed that gnr’s music output is, comparatively speaking, pretty minimal. We also know that the illusions were practically ripped from Axl’s hands so they could be released in September ’91. We are also aware that the release of Chinese was set back on probable numerous occasions before its eventual release in 2008. Now, in comparison, take a look at Slash’s musical output over the last 20 years. You don’t have to be Einstein to see who might be the ‘block’ to a new Guns release. Let me point out that I’m not criticising Axl here, but my view is that you’d have to be willingly blind to escape the conclusion that no music can be released until Axl wants it released. Now, we could speculate all day long about why that might be. Is it perfectionism? Possibly. We are aware that Axl wasn't happy with the illusions in their released form. We also know that there were finishing touches still to be added to the record in December 2006, yet it is clear from the locker leaks that a good many of the Chinese tracks were practically ready for release in the early noughties. Or, maybe Axl works in his own schedule and will only release music whenever the fuck he wants to, if at all. My opinion is it’s a hefty mixture of both.

Appetite, Lies, Illusions, Chinese. You either just enjoy it, or enjoy it with a feeling of being "upset" that there's not more.

At the end of the day, you can't really do anything about it.

They'll release the music they want, when they want.... Now, this isn't meant as an insult or anything, but constantly complaining about it hasn't really made a big difference since the dawn of the Internet...  :hihi:




/jarmo

You’re bang on the money there pal. We can go over this stuff ‘forever and a day’ but nothings gonna change

I hear the excuse about it being frustrating so it's ok to keep going on and on about it. The end result is the same though...

Hey, I used to E word!  See, even I can learn a new trick. Change reason for excuse! Woohoo! :hihi:





/jarmo

I hate having a moan, I really do. I’ve said my piece and that’s it. I’m usually very placid but every now and then the devil flares up  :hihi:

I love this band. I’m looking forward to London next July  :peace:

: ok:

Slash has much more freedom on his own and his stuff outside of GNR is not scrutinized.  Everything GNR does is hyper analyzed

 :hihi: It happens to most of us.





/jarmo

I think "fault" is a loaded term because the connotation is inherently negative.

I think it more accurate to say Axl is the final word on all matters.  Think about it.  Is anything going to happen these days if he is not onboard?  Is there a real chance of him taking the approach "well, I don't really feel like doing this...but I guess I am outvoted."  I find that far fetched.

Conversely, I have always rejected the premise Axl is just moving heaven and earth to get new material out but "the industry" is conspiring against him.  That's horseshit.  Bands put out albums every week of every year.  And never seem to run into these supposed herculean obstacles that only apply to this band.

All 100% fair.

Good post.

I'm happy that he has that kind of integrity and freedom to do so. Not everyone has.

But with that in mind, I don't buy your assumption. Didn't he sing Coma during the previous tour, because he knew it would make others happy? It would've been easier for him to just not even consider it...





You make it sound like a conspiracy. Which in turn makes it all sound silly. Which I guess is the point.

The reality might be simpler. There might've been expectations from him on others that were never met. He even mentioned these around the release of Chinese Democracy.


Since then, they've released material so hopefully that part is in the past.




/jarmo

Was good too.  Nailed that last run on verse most nights.

Yeah.


It was mentioned in the 2016 interview / Q&A he did at the China Exchange in London. He said "But it was really good doing the song Coma. I knew it would make Slash happy, it would make fans happy".

So he's not alien to doing things for others...




/jarmo

Axl has come a long way the past few years.  It's awesome to see.

Forget the fans being over the moon with the reunion.  Axl truly seems happy.

It's a great time to be a GN'R fan for sure.

No matter the so called lack of new material...  :hihi:




/jarmo

Agreed Jarmo. You heard any update on any Use Your Illusion anniversary type of release???

No. But that doesn't mean anything since I'm assuming Universal Music would be the one working on it.




/jarmo

He does seem pretty happy.  I think Vanessa's kids have something to do with that. 

https://biffbampop.com/2021/12/13/biff-bam-pop-exclusive-slash-talks-about-scoring-the-breach-his-favourite-horror-scores-movies-guns-n-roses-more/

Well, there you go, new UYI box set.

Thanks for sharing! Guess I need to start saving up. Ha!

The good news was Slash said he was happy playing in GNR.   : ok:

I just had that feeling 2 days ago when I asked Jarmo! lol
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/guns-n-roses-30th-anniversary-deluxe-reissue-of-use-your-illusion-due-next-summer/

There you go!  :hihi:




/jarmo

I'm infrequent on these forums but still hawk around and post from time to time.

I think the lack of new material is simply devastating.

It's been 5 years since they got back together. With no appearance from Izzy in any fashion... is just sad. Was happy to see Steven live when I saw them. That was cool.

Sorum's whole thing will be sorted out in his book I suppose and no Gilby at all? It's just sad.

I mean I'm glad they are doing stuff. But the "stuff" their doing is basically 85% the same for 5 years in setlists.

Hard School and Absurd were cool. I liked Hard School a lot. I'm just saying that after 4 years or something you'd think they would settle down and crack an album out. I simply think they all, and especially Axl mainly are afraid to make something lesser than. Slash does it cause he lovers it. He's got 4 albums with Myles I think and 3 solo maybe? 2 Snakepit and the Slash album. Plus the 2 VR albums. Duffs put stuff out. It really seems like Axl is holding all the cards and that's been a pretty annoying thing.

He's aging badly vocally. I mean he's old. Like Sebastian Bach, he's just getting old man. Why not blow out 1 more album? I don't think we'll ever get it. ???

I was hoping for Izzy when they played Indianapolis this year but it is what it is. I don’t think Matt’s book will see light of day. It’s been delayed many times and I suspect for legal reasons. There’s probably a ton of discrepancies in it and allegations that he can’t back up. But … who knows. I’d probably read it out of curiosity.

I'm definitely going to buy it and read it.

I'm not a huge fan of his drumming, but he was the drummer from 1990 to 98.

Even though 1996-98 were very inactive.

Never liked the guy.  Always felt he was too full of himself.  No stop signs, speed limits.....

If he remained the drummer in The Cult not many people would know his name - it's just a fact.
Because he got the call from Gnr he became pretty famous, I assume very rich and ended up in not only VR but other projects.
Takes humility to understand things clearer sometimes and I always found he had very little of that.

Think we've heard from everybody this week except Frank.

I like Frank…he’s solid and not an ass…seems like he would be good people. Gnr doesn’t need Neil Peart. It would be nice but… ;D

I miss Neal.  I'm not at all a Rush fan but I miss his books.  He's a dolphin in the Pacific Ocean if he got his wish.  A little up from where Canada and the US meet.

I like Frank too.  Decent guy.

I think he has made a lot of peace for himself over the years. Glad he has found a better place to be in. Not easy to overcome a lot of the shit he has been through. I can relate to some of it. It can make or break you. One thing is for sure it is always part of you.

I wonder when the next single will drop, if it will coincide with the return of the European tour, :beer:

I think we are still covid related delays dependent.  I'm getting paper products in the mail now that should have been here early December if not November.  You saw how far out the EP got pushed.  Might be better to wait it out.

I’m still confident new single releases will be one off digital and streaming releases when they are on the road. Then special EP’s can release in time with live tracks or demo content (possibly CD era touch ups)… the a full release when it makes sense. But the music will drive eyes on their tours (which is where the money is).

I personally don't want a physical copy.

While I agree vinyl sounds better.  I don't want all that clutter.

Some seem confused about the timing of the physical release versus digital release. It's basically because it's easier to put out a song on digital formats versus pressing physical CDs/vinyls.

Now the ones who are inclined to always see fault in everything GN'R does would say "Well, why didn't they release everything at the same time?!". Yeah, that would be an option. But then you might still be waiting for the songs....

I recall seeing comments about surprise releases and how other bands/artists did them. Yet when GN'R did it, some whined about the vinyl not being out until the following year. Quite predictable. Glad they got something to entertain them!  :hihi:




I think unless they schedule the next release almost a year in advance, this same pattern might repeat itself. It's just the way the world is. Scheduling production of a physical release like a 7" vinyl is backlogged.
I'd rather have a song out when the band wants to have it out, rather than wait until the manufacturing schedule allows for its release... But that's just me.





/jarmo
 

I love the surprise release format. Can’t wait to see what 2022 has in store for us in this regard  :beer:

Yeah. When the 2021 tour started last July, how many here knew that before the tour ended there'd be two new singles out?





/jarmo

The solution to that would be get a different manufacture.  Good luck finding one.

When I want it now, I go with Amazon and Amazon delivery.

I'm sure Universal Music has their places that they use.






/jarmo

But are they getting results?  If anything the pandemic has shown us is there are other ways of achieving a goal.  Ways you didn't know, other ways people preferred and actually improved the results?  Are they trying to return to a normal that was already failing?

With guns, sometimes I wonder if you don't see their full support on somethings because they know it's not a good use of their time to reach the goal they have in mind.

The Cult have a much better drummer than Sorum in Tempesta these days anyway.

The end result is the vinyl getting pressed. So yes, I think so...





/jarmo

I was thinking back over my Christmas gift lists.  Music wasn't on those lists.  I had a pretty good random sample of people and taste.  Age 1 to 88.  And a large group of teens.  No music.  No devices to play music on.  How are people collecting their music and playing it?

Vinyl is the wrong way to go, imo.  Hey siri play...

People still buy vinyl. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same...


Hence why they put out the singles on digital, and physical formats at a later date.





/jarmo

I don't think that way.  Well aware that just because I don't doesn't mean other people do.  I would be doing the vinyl on an order only bases too and not be printing them up without an order.  I just don't think there's a big market for those.  They've been trying to make a market for those but I don't think they will ever make a come back along with other physical formats.  Not totally dead but not where the money is at.

I'm wondering where the money is in making an album.  It's all over the place at the moment.  I think they need to revisit get the album with a concert ticket, real those people in.  They've out sourced distribution, too many people cutting into the profits and not a clear marketing approach.  Don't know.

Good news is, I think I've found a kid who would appreciate my Europe 72 vinyl.  It's been in a box for almost 30 years.  I'm betting he's into vinyl.  I'm not giving my vinyl away to just anybody but it's time they come out of that box.

The problem is that there's more demand for vinyl than there is capacity to press it. At the moment.

The idea that you'd press one single when one single is sold doesn't seem to work for bands like GN'R.

For reference, I think the retailers who sold the limited edition gold and silver Greatest Hits vinyls sold out of their copies pretty quickly.

 




Albums/singles promote tours.

Tours sell tickets and merch.




/jarmo

in 2021 vinyl album sales were up 108 percent, from 9 million to over 19 million units in the first six months of the year.

it was the leading album sales format at this point, so yeah, there's obviously "no big market for those"  :hihi:

(https://blog.discmakers.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/AlbumSales_Graph.jpg)

But was it a low stock item?  Sell out fast that way.  No, you don't press one at a time.  You wait until you have the right number to start printing them but you don't have a stack waiting for someone to order.

So I asked one of the biggest vinyl collectors from back in my day and is still into music if she had her vinyl.  No she sold it for $300 and donated the equipment to play it on.  Then I got the lecture I'm suppose to be streaming music over my smart phone.   :hihi:  I'm being called a dinosaur by another dinosaur.  Just when I was rethinking that I could rearrange the house, get some equipment and play those old albums.  I'm doing the walk of shame from my peers.   :rofl:

I would argue with GNR on that albums sell tours.  They aren't in that group.  Singles maybe a little help but the back catalog and personnel have them out there.  They are dead in the water without Axl and adding Izzy in the future is going to keep them going.  Just because I want new music from GNR, I have not really seen that support the tour.  Once again just my opinion and it's derailing the topic.   :hihi:  Don't take it as advise.

That's misleading.  They're coming out of the basement.  But where really are album sales?  Low level or shooting through the roof?  Any where close to the billions of dollars they use to generate?  Look at this graph:  https://www.statista.com/statistics/273308/music-album-sales-in-the-us/

Ahh, ok.

Still, with the limit in producing them, that would mean even slower delivery of vinyls to those who want them.




There are those who will go just to hear the old familiar hits. Then there are those who get reminded that the band is touring because they might hear a new song on the old radio or on a streaming service.





/jarmo

It looks like vinyl is outselling cds, and the levels for vinyl are comparable to 30 years, but obviously cds are selling less, so overall physical sales are less. Also, 2021 had Abba, which is one of those once in a blue moon things. Adele also released an album, and she's a big artist for vinyl

oh yeah sure physical sales are in bad shape since Internet but we're talking about vinyl and yeah, the market is encouraging.


"2.11 million vinyl albums were sold in the week ending December 23, making it the biggest vinyl sales week since at least 1991.
The total—2.11 million vinyl albums sold—bested the 1.842 million LPs sold during the week ending December 24, 2020.
It’s been a big year for vinyl sales, which already increased 29.2 percent in 2020"

https://pitchfork.com/news/vinyl-sets-new-weekly-sales-peak-for-modern-era/

so yeah, there's definitly a "market for those" and that was my point, and it's growing.

It seems like a certain group of music fans have gone from "fuck it, I'm not buying CDs anymore!" to "well, if I'm gonna buy it, I'll get the vinyl. It sounds better/looks cooler!"....

Fans who used to buy CDs until it became more difficult due to stores disappearing, the Internet making it easier to get them digitally etc.




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Vinyl is better but now I don't know how to play it.   :hihi:  I'm lost in the equipment.  No point in buying something cheap as it still won't sound good and wreck your record.  Plus from what I was reading new vinyl is different from old vinyl and you really need the right equipment to play both.

And then you come down to album art.  Hard Skool's cover is actually what triggered me.  I like it, it's cool.  Still wouldn't buy it because I'm an album snob.  

Vinyl had it's day.  It was glorious.  Sorry you cd people missed.  Come to think of it, I think cassettes sounded better than cds.  :hihi:

It's because the recordings were geared towards CD releases, now obviously streaming. An album mix for a CD never sounded great on vinyl. Some of those free vinyl singles that came free with magazines in the 80s actually sound better than vinyl released now. However, the way vinyl is made remains the same, and some vinyl records are still ok. It depends what the band do, if they create a mix that geared towards vinyl, then you will get a good quality vinyl recording