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The album concept as we knew it ceased to exist when iTunes started selling single songs. No more where you forced to buy the whole album because you like one song....

People don't necessarily sit and listen to the whole album anymore. They listen to the songs they choose, or maybe some curated playlists.




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Like many things, things lose value to people. Music went from something you paid for, to something you could get for free thanks to services like Napster, and now to something of value.

Coffee, same thing. Coffee became something people didn't wanna spend too much money on and it was terrible. Now people are prepared to pay for a good quality coffee.


Yes, vinyls especially offer value streaming services can't. It's a physical object. Maybe you don't buy every album you like, but those special ones, you'll buy just to have them.



Obviously not everyone. Some are happy with streaming. But I don't think record sales are increasing because old timers like myself are the only ones buying vinyls... 





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Record sales may be increasing but album sales aren't.  Really low.  Is that because there aren't as many albums being produced by a large group of bands?  Of those still buying is it new material or are they going for the oldies?  Lots of questions about that. 

So how are singles doing?  Selling or not?

Mitch McConnell: “African American voters are voting in just as high a percentage as Americans.”


Just another day in the world of people who are afraid of communism in America.




/jarmo

Like many things, things lose value to people. Music went from something you paid for, to something you could get for free thanks to services like Napster, and now to something of value.

Coffee, same thing. Coffee became something people didn't wanna spend too much money on and it was terrible. Now people are prepared to pay for a good quality coffee.


Yes, vinyls especially offer value streaming services can't. It's a physical object. Maybe you don't buy every album you like, but those special ones, you'll buy just to have them.



Obviously not everyone. Some are happy with streaming. But I don't think record sales are increasing because old timers like myself are the only ones buying vinyls... 





/jarmo

It seems like a certain group of music fans have gone from "fuck it, I'm not buying CDs anymore!" to "well, if I'm gonna buy it, I'll get the vinyl. It sounds better/looks cooler!"....

Fans who used to buy CDs until it became more difficult due to stores disappearing, the Internet making it easier to get them digitally etc.




/jarmo

exactly, the goal of CDs was to have a great quality sound, but with high speed internet,
lossless audio codecs and mobile devices they don't make much sense anymore...

so people tends to prefer vinyls (the size of the artworks, the sound) or cassettes (packaging, the look, and...well that's it), because they're cool, reminds people when they were younger (the nostalgia is strong these days, I wonder why...)

I don't think it's nostalgia, it's more like you can listen to music from the internet every day and everywhere, so having something "tangible" and somehow artistic it's a good thing when u really have the time to enjoy your music in a calm place like your home. Plus the turntable is a furnishing object, vynils are cool.. cds are just a plastic made mess

It seems like a certain group of music fans have gone from "fuck it, I'm not buying CDs anymore!" to "well, if I'm gonna buy it, I'll get the vinyl. It sounds better/looks cooler!"....

Fans who used to buy CDs until it became more difficult due to stores disappearing, the Internet making it easier to get them digitally etc.




/jarmo

I think its slowly changing to: ''Id like to own that album i really like, but the vinyl is double the price of the CD and i dont even use my turntable that much, ill just get the CD''

I don't see it changing that way at all... it's going in the other direction with physical media down all together and CD dropping further year over year. I'll be honest if you handed me a CD and asked me to play it, unless I was in my car or planning on throwing it in a PlayStation I wouldn't be able to play it. I haven't owned anything with a "CD Player" in years. It's too easy to consume music in other ways, and not have to carry around physical media.

I'm also past the point of needing to "rip" my CD's down to MP3's and either burn them to one large disc or carry around thumb drives... my streaming apps can hit my sonos speakers, tv's in hotels, speakers in my kids hockey locker room at Tournaments, any car I'm in... etc...

Having said all that I'll buy the Vinyl release because to me they are art. I actually have several of them framed in hanging in my music room with my guitars and amps, they've never been played because I can do it better with my apps.

I started to collect vinyl late. I think i have around 150 or so, but i have boxes full of cds. The only cds i keep in my livingroom is the GnR albums/singles. On the singles you have some demos and live songs you dont get on spotify or other streaming platforms. Playd the Dont cry single a couple of days ago. The Demo is almost better the original!

Vinyls are the best format, if you want to read, watch, listen and injoy the whole concept of an album. The streaming dont give you that experience

You could upload your bootlegs and imports into Amazon Music. I have both of the Sirius shows from early in this tour in my Amazon Music library.

It seems like a certain group of music fans have gone from "fuck it, I'm not buying CDs anymore!" to "well, if I'm gonna buy it, I'll get the vinyl. It sounds better/looks cooler!"....

Fans who used to buy CDs until it became more difficult due to stores disappearing, the Internet making it easier to get them digitally etc.




/jarmo

exactly, the goal of CDs was to have a great quality sound, but with high speed internet,
lossless audio codecs and mobile devices they don't make much sense anymore...

so people tends to prefer vinyls (the size of the artworks, the sound) or cassettes (packaging, the look, and...well that's it), because they're cool, reminds people when they were younger (the nostalgia is strong these days, I wonder why...)

It seems like a certain group of music fans have gone from "fuck it, I'm not buying CDs anymore!" to "well, if I'm gonna buy it, I'll get the vinyl. It sounds better/looks cooler!"....

Fans who used to buy CDs until it became more difficult due to stores disappearing, the Internet making it easier to get them digitally etc.




/jarmo

I think its slowly changing to: ''Id like to own that album i really like, but the vinyl is double the price of the CD and i dont even use my turntable that much, ill just get the CD''

I don't see it changing that way at all... it's going in the other direction with physical media down all together and CD dropping further year over year. I'll be honest if you handed me a CD and asked me to play it, unless I was in my car or planning on throwing it in a PlayStation I wouldn't be able to play it. I haven't owned anything with a "CD Player" in years. It's too easy to consume music in other ways, and not have to carry around physical media.

I'm also past the point of needing to "rip" my CD's down to MP3's and either burn them to one large disc or carry around thumb drives... my streaming apps can hit my sonos speakers, tv's in hotels, speakers in my kids hockey locker room at Tournaments, any car I'm in... etc...

Having said all that I'll buy the Vinyl release because to me they are art. I actually have several of them framed in hanging in my music room with my guitars and amps, they've never been played because I can do it better with my apps.

I started to collect vinyl late. I think i have around 150 or so, but i have boxes full of cds. The only cds i keep in my livingroom is the GnR albums/singles. On the singles you have some demos and live songs you dont get on spotify or other streaming platforms. Playd the Dont cry single a couple of days ago. The Demo is almost better the original!

Vinyls are the best format, if you want to read, watch, listen and injoy the whole concept of an album. The streaming dont give you that experience

It seems like a certain group of music fans have gone from "fuck it, I'm not buying CDs anymore!" to "well, if I'm gonna buy it, I'll get the vinyl. It sounds better/looks cooler!"....

Fans who used to buy CDs until it became more difficult due to stores disappearing, the Internet making it easier to get them digitally etc.




/jarmo

I think its slowly changing to: ''Id like to own that album i really like, but the vinyl is double the price of the CD and i dont even use my turntable that much, ill just get the CD''

I don't see it changing that way at all... it's going in the other direction with physical media down all together and CD dropping further year over year. I'll be honest if you handed me a CD and asked me to play it, unless I was in my car or planning on throwing it in a PlayStation I wouldn't be able to play it. I haven't owned anything with a "CD Player" in years. It's too easy to consume music in other ways, and not have to carry around physical media.

I'm also past the point of needing to "rip" my CD's down to MP3's and either burn them to one large disc or carry around thumb drives... my streaming apps can hit my sonos speakers, tv's in hotels, speakers in my kids hockey locker room at Tournaments, any car I'm in... etc...

Having said all that I'll buy the Vinyl release because to me they are art. I actually have several of them framed in hanging in my music room with my guitars and amps, they've never been played because I can do it better with my apps.

It seems like a certain group of music fans have gone from "fuck it, I'm not buying CDs anymore!" to "well, if I'm gonna buy it, I'll get the vinyl. It sounds better/looks cooler!"....

Fans who used to buy CDs until it became more difficult due to stores disappearing, the Internet making it easier to get them digitally etc.




/jarmo

Vinyl is better but now I don't know how to play it.    I'm lost in the equipment.  No point in buying something cheap as it still won't sound good and wreck your record.  Plus from what I was reading new vinyl is different from old vinyl and you really need the right equipment to play both.

And then you come down to album art.  Hard Skool's cover is actually what triggered me.  I like it, it's cool.  Still wouldn't buy it because I'm an album snob.  

Vinyl had it's day.  It was glorious.  Sorry you cd people missed.  Come to think of it, I think cassettes sounded better than cds.  

It's because the recordings were geared towards CD releases, now obviously streaming. An album mix for a CD never sounded great on vinyl. Some of those free vinyl singles that came free with magazines in the 80s actually sound better than vinyl released now. However, the way vinyl is made remains the same, and some vinyl records are still ok. It depends what the band do, if they create a mix that geared towards vinyl, then you will get a good quality vinyl recording

One of the guys at pinball was telling me the old vinyl sounds like it's dragging, something about a half speed?  (you can't hear shit during pinball league.  )