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Anyone ever read Atlas Shrugged?

I've started to believe that it's no coincidence Axl called a song that. I do wonder if he was deeply influenced by it , and that it could be the reason for us not hearing material.....

I'm curious how you think that influenced him not to release the material.

I feel like I heard somebody from the band, or Baz, say that the song has nothing to do with the book, but I could be wrong.

Maybe.

We know a couple of things:

1) There were more UYI tracks they didn't use and finish. They talked a bit about these back in the early 90's.   Some of them were supposed to be the basis for the next album.  I don't know how many (I think 3 or 4, at least....including Ain't Going Down). The problem, I suspect, is a lot of that material is Izzy influenced/written stuff, and I'm not exactly sure how that plays out, now.

2) There is a bunch of "Slash" type material that they were working on, before the big breakup, according to both Axl and Slash.  Axl said he was working on a "Slash" record, but couldn't make everyone happy so just gave up.  I know some of that material Slash took, and used on his solo album, but not ALL of it.  There might be 2 or 3 tracks there they could pull together.

That's 5 or 6 new songs?  I think if they did the UYI Remaster with 5 or 6 new songs on there....they'd do pretty OK with it. No?

It might not STRICTLY be UYI material, but material from that ERA.

I'm not sure if they'd want to revisit that material, given the sentiments that surrounded it and the shit it might muck up.  But they COULD.

Really? I got the impression that just about every song recorded for UYI went on it. Do you have any links to those statements? I'd love to read them.

As far as the whole '94-95 era, Slash would say back then that Axl rejected the material he presented, implying that the entirety of it was reused for Snakepit's first album, but now in one of these recent interviews, he changed it to "just a few riffs". However, IDK if that's just trying to downplay that nasty part of their history now that things are good again, or actually the case. Also, we know This I Love dates back to '93, Fall To Pieces was written in GNR and Slash wrote the Speed Parade riff for a GNR pinball machine around '94.

I haven't heard about Axl doing a Slash album either, are there any links for that? Let's hope if that's true, he didn't just erase all traces of it out of spite or something, lol.

The book is incredibly long and complex (and somewhat contentious in it's philosophy), but essentially revolves around the notion that some people of talent intentionally withhold their skills from a general public who refuse to acknowledge and appreciate them fully.

One of these people is a musician, famed for his past output, who simply ceased releasing new material. He still creates, albeit within the confines of his own personal life, for no one else to hear. The material he writes is never for the general public to hear. Reading it I did think of Axl, and the fact one of his unreleased songs is called Atlas Shrugged.

Just something that I found interesting, and got my mind thinking......

Now she says she has videos, emails and texts. This could get juicy.

Anyone ever read Atlas Shrugged?

I've started to believe that it's no coincidence Axl called a song that. I do wonder if he was deeply influenced by it , and that it could be the reason for us not hearing material.....

I'm curious how you think that influenced him not to release the material.

I feel like I heard somebody from the band, or Baz, say that the song has nothing to do with the book, but I could be wrong.

Maybe.

We know a couple of things:

1) There were more UYI tracks they didn't use and finish. They talked a bit about these back in the early 90's.   Some of them were supposed to be the basis for the next album.  I don't know how many (I think 3 or 4, at least....including Ain't Going Down). The problem, I suspect, is a lot of that material is Izzy influenced/written stuff, and I'm not exactly sure how that plays out, now.

2) There is a bunch of "Slash" type material that they were working on, before the big breakup, according to both Axl and Slash.  Axl said he was working on a "Slash" record, but couldn't make everyone happy so just gave up.  I know some of that material Slash took, and used on his solo album, but not ALL of it.  There might be 2 or 3 tracks there they could pull together.

That's 5 or 6 new songs?  I think if they did the UYI Remaster with 5 or 6 new songs on there....they'd do pretty OK with it. No?

It might not STRICTLY be UYI material, but material from that ERA.

I'm not sure if they'd want to revisit that material, given the sentiments that surrounded it and the shit it might muck up.  But they COULD.

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Really? I got the impression that just about every song recorded for UYI went on it. Do you have any links to those statements? I'd love to read them.

As far as the whole '94-95 era, Slash would say back then that Axl rejected the material he presented, implying that the entirety of it was reused for Snakepit's first album, but now in one of these recent interviews, he changed it to "just a few riffs". However, IDK if that's just trying to downplay that nasty part of their history now that things are good again, or actually the case. Also, we know This I Love dates back to '93, Fall To Pieces was written in GNR and Slash wrote the Speed Parade riff for a GNR pinball machine around '94.

I haven't heard about Axl doing a Slash album either, are there any links for that? Let's hope if that's true, he didn't just erase all traces of it out of spite or something, lol.

In terms of links...this is all stuff I remember from various interviews in the early to late 90s. They may or may not be out there on the google machine somewhere. No idea.

But the "making a slash album" comments I remember very specifically from an axl interview post break up. I think around the time of the loder interview, but it might have heen a couple years after? Similar sentiment to the loder interview but more details.

And the uyi vaulted material stuff I temember from an mtv interview...or something of the sort....from around 93. They said it was hard to get all the material into one album, so they did two...and there was still stuff they had to cut from the tracklist that was hard. It was def a post izzy interview, because gilby and matt were on screen, too.

The Snakepit question is the big one: how much of the material was really used vs how much remains in the gnr vault. I dont think he used all of it, given the interviews. How many tracks is the question, i guess?

Anyone ever read Atlas Shrugged?

I've started to believe that it's no coincidence Axl called a song that. I do wonder if he was deeply influenced by it , and that it could be the reason for us not hearing material.....

I'm curious how you think that influenced him not to release the material.

I feel like I heard somebody from the band, or Baz, say that the song has nothing to do with the book, but I could be wrong.

Maybe.

We know a couple of things:

1) There were more UYI tracks they didn't use and finish. They talked a bit about these back in the early 90's.   Some of them were supposed to be the basis for the next album.  I don't know how many (I think 3 or 4, at least....including Ain't Going Down). The problem, I suspect, is a lot of that material is Izzy influenced/written stuff, and I'm not exactly sure how that plays out, now.

2) There is a bunch of "Slash" type material that they were working on, before the big breakup, according to both Axl and Slash.  Axl said he was working on a "Slash" record, but couldn't make everyone happy so just gave up.  I know some of that material Slash took, and used on his solo album, but not ALL of it.  There might be 2 or 3 tracks there they could pull together.

That's 5 or 6 new songs?  I think if they did the UYI Remaster with 5 or 6 new songs on there....they'd do pretty OK with it. No?

It might not STRICTLY be UYI material, but material from that ERA.

I'm not sure if they'd want to revisit that material, given the sentiments that surrounded it and the shit it might muck up.  But they COULD.

Really? I got the impression that just about every song recorded for UYI went on it. Do you have any links to those statements? I'd love to read them.

As far as the whole '94-95 era, Slash would say back then that Axl rejected the material he presented, implying that the entirety of it was reused for Snakepit's first album, but now in one of these recent interviews, he changed it to "just a few riffs". However, IDK if that's just trying to downplay that nasty part of their history now that things are good again, or actually the case. Also, we know This I Love dates back to '93, Fall To Pieces was written in GNR and Slash wrote the Speed Parade riff for a GNR pinball machine around '94.

I haven't heard about Axl doing a Slash album either, are there any links for that? Let's hope if that's true, he didn't just erase all traces of it out of spite or something, lol.

Rolling Stone is such a politically charged garbage and nothing new from this interview 

LOL, I love how right wingers call liberals snowflakes, but get this worked up over the mere existence of... Rolling Stone? 

Their need for safe spaces is amusing, ironic, and hypocritical all at once.

And RS does good media/entertainment coverage, usually. Not great, like in their heyday,  but good.

Yeah, there's no Hunter Thompson anymore, but Matt Taibbi is fantastic and was very much inspired by Thompson. Other than that, I don't read it much but this was a good interview, and obviously the ones they did with Axl and Slash back in the '90s were fantastic.

Rolling Stone is such a politically charged garbage and nothing new from this interview 

LOL, I love how right wingers call liberals snowflakes, but get this worked up over the mere existence of... Rolling Stone? 

you're hilarious aren't you? 

Who's joking? 

Yes, things happened...but does that make what was done suddenly "undone"?  Or just put back in the vault?

I don't think anyone's arguing the existence of recorded stuff...but rather it's whether we ever get to hear it.  You say the thing we don't know is when...I would say the thing we don't know is if 

Because you're assuming that we won't. Based on what?

Because it didn't come out yet, we won't get anything new ever again?

I believe the question is more about what and when. What will it be and when....

Not if....


But then again, I wasn't one of those who said Chinese would never come out.... I didn't think Axl worked on those songs to keep them to himself, and I still feel the same way about whatever he's worked on, or decides to work on in the future.





/jarmo

There is a reason for people calculating that if you don't score now it becomes more and more unlikely later in the game.

We will never lose interest but there is a very large number of people thinking 'ahh yeah that band, they're ok but never really listened to them'.

I don't have any kids but many on this board do. This magnificent legacy can even be lost. Not lost forever as such but in the way of that band.

Yes, things happened...but does that make what was done suddenly "undone"?  Or just put back in the vault?

I don't think anyone's arguing the existence of recorded stuff...but rather it's whether we ever get to hear it.  You say the thing we don't know is when...I would say the thing we don't know is if 

Because you're assuming that we won't. Based on what?

Because it didn't come out yet, we won't get anything new ever again?

I believe the question is more about what and when. What will it be and when....

Not if....


But then again, I wasn't one of those who said Chinese would never come out.... I didn't think Axl worked on those songs to keep them to himself, and I still feel the same way about whatever he's worked on, or decides to work on in the future.





/jarmo

I am telling you right now if they ever released a studio version of Crash Diet that would be like what Shadow of your Love did for the Appetite release. Just that demo version thats been around forever iv loved a clean cut version would be awesome.

But that's not Slash, is it?

I am telling you right now if they ever released a studio version of Crash Diet that would be like what Shadow of your Love did for the Appetite release. Just that demo version thats been around forever iv loved a clean cut version would be awesome.

That cupboard is pretty bare.  'Ain't Goin' Down' was the only one that sounds like a finished song.

Could there be this treasure trove of songs sitting unearthed in some box?  I suppose.  Don't think it's likely though.

A UYI type of collection probably just gets you demos and alternate takes.

Maybe.

We know a couple of things:

1) There were more UYI tracks they didn't use and finish. They talked a bit about these back in the early 90's.   Some of them were supposed to be the basis for the next album.  I don't know how many (I think 3 or 4, at least....including Ain't Going Down). The problem, I suspect, is a lot of that material is Izzy influenced/written stuff, and I'm not exactly sure how that plays out, now.

2) There is a bunch of "Slash" type material that they were working on, before the big breakup, according to both Axl and Slash.  Axl said he was working on a "Slash" record, but couldn't make everyone happy so just gave up.  I know some of that material Slash took, and used on his solo album, but not ALL of it.  There might be 2 or 3 tracks there they could pull together.

That's 5 or 6 new songs?  I think if they did the UYI Remaster with 5 or 6 new songs on there....they'd do pretty OK with it. No?

It might not STRICTLY be UYI material, but material from that ERA.

I'm not sure if they'd want to revisit that material, given the sentiments that surrounded it and the shit it might muck up.  But they COULD.