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 on: Today at 06:55:35 AM 
Started by jarmo - Last post by allwaystired
Given the venue size, those tickets are astonishingly expensive in the UK. I've honestly never seen any act charge that amount for a venue that size. It's well out of sync. Not sure what's going on there, if the tickets include an album or gift or anything?

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 on: Today at 06:33:11 AM 
Started by Malcolm - Last post by pilferk
Yeah cause compromising on missiles is the same as asking the Russians to interfere in our elections Roll Eyes

AT A SUMMIT DESIGNED TO NEGOTIATE MISSILE DEFENSE!

He basically said: "Look, I only have so much power, here.  I have a Republican Congress breathing down my neck and I'm in a dogfight of an election.  I have to be very politically careful while this election is going on.  Once it's over...since I'm a lame duck after this election...we can try to make more progress".

This is every president, ever, in their second term.  EVERY PRESIDENT since term limits have been a thing has stretched a bit more, and flexed their political muscle a bit more, during their second term when not faced with another election.  Those comments weren't collusion...they were literally a statement of history.  History any dolt (and I'm talking about the Russians, here) can figure out by cracking a US History book.  And somehow, I think the Russian leadership is pretty well aware that 2nd term US presidents have a little more wiggle room.

Unless you are Trump, and you fancy yourself King.

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 on: Today at 06:28:50 AM 
Started by Malcolm - Last post by pilferk
The problem with holding Obama responsible is....both chambers of the legislature were also held by Republicans.  He couldn't get any legislative measures taken without their help...and they weren't willing to help. 

Collusion much?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmyKksPois

http://www.euronews.com/ It was meant to be a private chat on the sidelines of the Seoul nuclear security summit.

But when Barack Obama told Dmitry Medvedev he would have "more flexibility" on difficult issues like missile defence after the US election, TV cameras were rolling.

As he leaned towards his Russian counterpart, the US President was overhead saying: "This is my last election ... After my election I will have more flexibility."

"I understand your message about space," replied Medvedev, who will hand over Russia's presidency to Vladimir Putin in May. "I will transmit this information to Vladimir."

The US leader has defended his comments, ahead of the November poll, insisting they reflect a political reality that "everybody understands."

Obama's Republican rivals back home however have expressed alarm, amid claims he is too open to concessions to Russia.



Referring to this as collusion means you don't understand what collusion is (and you probably watch too much Fox News). 

Negotiating (as the sitting president), or choosing to push off negotiations until he's NOT in the middle of an election cycle, on a missile defense system isn't, by any stretch, collusion.  It's alerting your negotiating partner of a political reality. AT A SUMMIT ON THAT EXACT TOPIC!

Working with a foreign government to try to win an election IS. Asking a foreign power for assistance (and meeting to accept dirt on your political foe) in that election IS. Depending on, and focusing on, information STOLEN by that foreign power IS.  Even if you are doing so without conspiring or coordinating those efforts.  What Trump did might not have been illegal, but that doesn't mean they were acceptable (and, historically, there have been documented benefits to both parties...something not apparent in your failed Obama example).  We have the facts in the Mueller report, in black and white....and some relatively easy to assume redactions having to do with Wikileaks and the Stone trial.

You are essentially advocating the sitting president should have no power to negotiate a deal as they see fit...while supporting a president who has taken (I would say stolen) historical powers for the executive branch, especially on that front (overruling sanctions imposed by Congress, for example).  And who has said (and done) much worse in his interactions with Russia, Saudi, and potentially NK.  And while this president has taken a beating over those actions, to my knowledge no one has insinuated he wasn't within his rights to take them.

So no...what Obama did is not collusion.  Or conspiracy to commit election fraud. Or anything to do with what Tim and I were talking about.  It's a great example of a failed attempt at "whataboutism", though. And a great example of conservative propaganda with no basis in facts.

I'd also point out that, if this is the most offensive (or scandalous) thing you have caught Obama say on a hot mic....it ALSO doesn't remotely compare to what the guy you voted for has said on a hot mic.  It's not even as bad as the things he's said on a live mic in front of live cameras.

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 on: Today at 06:01:04 AM 
Started by jarmo - Last post by jarmo
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 on: Today at 06:00:26 AM 
Started by sandman - Last post by jarmo
I think the issue here is the definition of the word "racism". You are taking it (as many do) as a judgement of a person that is absolute. As in, if you are a racist, that defines you and it will never change. This is not true. Prejudice is common in almost all people to some degree. A person can be prejudiced or racist without that defining who they are. Maybe I should have worded it this way, "Axl engaged in racism or made racist statements".


Exactly. A majority of people don't think calling someone a racist, means that the person was a little bit racist before breakfast, but normal the rest of the day.



Even open white supremacists will deny they are racist.

And idiots believe they're not idiots.



/jarmo

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 on: Today at 02:28:39 AM 
Started by sandman - Last post by PermissionToLand
Please do explain. I read all of Axl's lengthy "justifications" if you could even call them that on that Rolling Stone article and he did nothing but dig himself deeper. If by "all the lyrics", you're referring to the "radicals and racists" line, that does not negate the rest of the lyrics. In fact, it's deliberately trying to distance himself from the image of racism while clearly engaging in it.

Exactly. In the lyrics themselves he points out that he's not what you claim him to be.

I'm still not convinced you know a person based on a few lines in a song and reading some interviews.

Sorry.





/jarmo


I think the issue here is the definition of the word "racism". You are taking it (as many do) as a judgement of a person that is absolute. As in, if you are a racist, that defines you and it will never change. This is not true. Prejudice is common in almost all people to some degree. A person can be prejudiced or racist without that defining who they are. Maybe I should have worded it this way, "Axl engaged in racism or made racist statements". And obviously, as I said, Axl grew up and learned from his mistake. So I don't think that those statements define his character in any way. But it would be an injustice to the people affected by racism to claim that the statements themselves were not racist, because it lowers the bar for racism, which I hope we could all understand is a dangerous thing to do. After all, saying the n-word is such a low bar for racism that it was a scandal back in 1989. I would hope that 30 years later we have made progress.

But again, claiming that you are not racist does not make you not a racist. Even open white supremacists will deny they are racist.

First off, I don't think Axl is a racist. He WAS discriminating against gays, blacks and foreigners in One In A Million, though. There's no denying that. However, he was also a young 26 year old with NO IDEA how the world really works. He has obviously changed a lot.

I think it would be hypocritical if a shit storm would ensue over this song. It is a fact that pretty much ALL male hip hop is full of hate towards gay people. As a gay man (a major minority within the GnR landscape unfortunately) One In A Million never bothered me, since it's just a young man's barely adult reflections on first time life experiences. I actually love the song cause it's so brutally honest and has a good hook.

Knowing that Axl doesn't hate gay people (proved by his love for Elton John and Freddie Mercury and by his own statements) is enough for me. Most black rappers (and white 'hey Eminem') hate for gay people is very real, and I am more worried about their songs than a song GnR has already retracted from future releases. It would however be best if they take it off all streaming services, to prove the point it is indeed a thing of the past. Otherwise, I am pretty sure within the next few years a shit storm will start over this song.

In keeping with my above statements, I think you are misunderstanding the use of the word "racist". Also, "discrimination", but I won't get into that because I agree with what you're trying to say there.

But this use of rap as a whataboutism needs to stop. Pointing to somebody else doing something wrong is not a defense for your (genre's) behavior.

Also, it's funny you mentioned Eminem in particular because he did the exact same thing Axl did by using Elton John as a shield from criticism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM74R9z7W4A

However, much like rock, rap has come a long way since its early days in the '90s. To say "pretty much ALL rap is homophobic" is just simple not true. But it was absolutely a problem with the genre for some time, and still is, which is also still true for rock to some extent, if we're being honest.

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 on: Yesterday at 10:11:05 PM 
Started by Malcolm - Last post by tim_m
Yeah cause compromising on missiles is the same as asking the Russians to interfere in our elections Roll Eyes

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 on: Yesterday at 10:03:16 PM 
Started by sandman - Last post by COMAMOTIVE

Maybe I should not watch the Naked Gun movies anymore since OJ brutally sliced and diced an innocent man & woman
 confused

Allegedly  Wink

The good news is that you're both mistaken so you can watch the Naked Gun movies if you so choose because OJ was actually found NOT GUILTY by a jury of his peers!!!  Lips Sealed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rurKd569xRw

The bad news is that our judicial system is extremely flawed and the families of those two innocent people did not receive the justice they deserved.
 no



P.S.  The Kate Smith statue outside the Flyers arena has been removed.



CORRECTION:  Was found not guilty (criminally) but was found civilly liable (hence why he owes the victims families millions of dollars that he will likely never repay).  Either way, I'm still watching the Naked Gun.

AMEN

 9 
 on: Yesterday at 09:58:57 PM 
Started by Malcolm - Last post by GypsySoul
The problem with holding Obama responsible is....both chambers of the legislature were also held by Republicans.  He couldn't get any legislative measures taken without their help...and they weren't willing to help. 

Collusion much?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmyKksPois

http://www.euronews.com/ It was meant to be a private chat on the sidelines of the Seoul nuclear security summit.

But when Barack Obama told Dmitry Medvedev he would have "more flexibility" on difficult issues like missile defence after the US election, TV cameras were rolling.

As he leaned towards his Russian counterpart, the US President was overhead saying: "This is my last election ... After my election I will have more flexibility."

"I understand your message about space," replied Medvedev, who will hand over Russia's presidency to Vladimir Putin in May. "I will transmit this information to Vladimir."

The US leader has defended his comments, ahead of the November poll, insisting they reflect a political reality that "everybody understands."

Obama's Republican rivals back home however have expressed alarm, amid claims he is too open to concessions to Russia.


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 on: Yesterday at 07:00:54 PM 
Started by sandman - Last post by GNR4LIFEJD
The biggest shame to me about One in a Million is I think it happens to be a great song musically. I have no problem with the words I look at it as this could be someone's own personal experience coming to the big city and coming from a more rural area the culture shock is actually understandable. It is really unfortunate people just can't look at it as what it is a song.

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