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 11 
 on: Yesterday at 02:56:11 PM 
Started by GNRMTL - Last post by DeN

reminds me Axl & Duff interviewed about the reunion, talking a bit
about Chinese Democracy where Axl said in a laugh "a lot of layers..."  hihi

 12 
 on: Yesterday at 06:39:04 AM 
Started by GNRMTL - Last post by jarmo
Six people? People who weren't in the band played and sang on those albums. There's synthesizers on AFD, there's sound effects on UYI.

UYI sounds different to AFD, which sounds different to CD.

Basically, they all sound like they are supposed to sound. You prefer something basic, something simpler. That's fine.

Overproduced is just one of those meaningless words people like to throw around because they like a plain cheese pizza instead of one with four cheeses... Doesn't mean the latter one is overproduced... hihi






/jarmo

 13 
 on: Yesterday at 05:37:49 AM 
Started by GNRMTL - Last post by ITARocker
Is Use Your Illusion overproduced" compared to GN'R Lies? Is Appetite For destruction overproduced compared to Live Like A Suicide?

Overproduced is like an empty word people throw out when they can't think of anything else.


Too many guitar players makes it overproduced? So having one guy play all guitar parts would've made it... not overproduced?
Too industrial? Doesn't sound like Ministry to me...

I get that it's not for everyone, just like Absurd, but looking for faults.... Either you like it or you don't. Not liking it because "it's not GN'R" seems like a lame excuse.





/jarmo





Lies Afd and UYI are not overproduced at all. Simple tracks thought and played by 6 people only. You can say uyi it's a little bit pompous because of NR and estranged but that's it. It's just a change of the musical direction. When u have 5000 people involved in the writing - playing - mixing  process well you can say it's a little bit overproduced.  Listenin to the tracks  if u are a composer or a musician you can hear it.  But you know we already talked about this many times so i stop here.

 14 
 on: Yesterday at 04:47:44 AM 
Started by GNRMTL - Last post by jarmo
Is Use Your Illusion overproduced" compared to GN'R Lies? Is Appetite For destruction overproduced compared to Live Like A Suicide?

Overproduced is like an empty word people throw out when they can't think of anything else.


Too many guitar players makes it overproduced? So having one guy play all guitar parts would've made it... not overproduced?
Too industrial? Doesn't sound like Ministry to me...

I get that it's not for everyone, just like Absurd, but looking for faults.... Either you like it or you don't. Not liking it because "it's not GN'R" seems like a lame excuse.





/jarmo

 15 
 on: Yesterday at 03:15:41 AM 
Started by GNRMTL - Last post by ITARocker
Itís a one man studio project.

It really isn't though. The final line-up of the "classic era" GNR was Axl, Slash, Duff, Dizzy, Matt and Paul. Half of that line-up went on to write and record Chinese Democracy, with the others replaced along the way. The narrative that Axl went solo simply isn't true. Paul and Dizzy did a lot of the writing.

Im not talking about that, i'm talking about that it doesn't sound a "band" product at all... You can hear it's a meltin pots of sounds, cut copy past of solos pieces of music etc where the maestro has the last word on everything... Plus it's overproduced cause they had so many tracks that they didnt want to leave out so you have this big wall of sound and at the end of the days you can mainly listen to axl's voice (which sounds better in the demos in any case) and the drums. Listen to hard school and absurd now, how the tracks sound tight (apart from axl's voice in absurd, but it's a choice) when they are fully reworked by the same people. It's all another animal.

 16 
 on: October 20, 2021, 11:01:22 PM 
Started by GNRMTL - Last post by bicycle handgrenade
when a new album comes out, factor in :

- the singer is the only one left

Chinese Democracy was written and recorded by half of the '94 GNR line-up.

 17 
 on: October 20, 2021, 04:45:07 PM 
Started by GNRMTL - Last post by PermissionToLand
I just wish it had fewer songs. If The World, Scraped, Shackler's Revenge and Riad N' The Bedouins aren't as good as the rest of the songs. If they had taken those out, the album would have 10 songs and it surely would be a classic.

If The World is one of the best songs on the album. That funky '70s cop movie jam is my shit. Reminds me of playing classic Driver videogames.

It's also easy to pick out short classic albums and ignore crummy short albums. The length of the album has no bearing on the quality. The number of good songs you have is the number you have.

- Production: it's way overproduced

I rarely see anyone specify how exactly it's "overproduced". I don't find the soundscape terribly cluttered, most of the extra layers are buried in the mix anyway.

Problem is, you will never hear anyone but a GNR diehard praise this as some masterpiece.

Bear with me here.

Take some other band.  One you know of, perhaps like some of their stuff.  At the very least, you know what they are about.

Now, when a new album comes out, factor in :

- the singer is the only one left
- the original replacement band that he recruited to play on it have mostly since been replaced again by the time of release
- the songs sound very little like what you know of the past work of the band
- it took the singer literally 10 years to get this all together

Now, and be honest, if faced with all that, and you are assured by a superfan of that band that it's just genius...what do you think?

Option A : This guy nails it.

Option B : This guy is a superfan and not the least bit objective.  And I have to think he would not give other bands such an incredible benefit of the doubt with all these factors.


I am Option B.  I make no bones about this.  I also think 99% of the planet would be with me on Option B.

I have an incredibly hard time...nah, scratch that.  I have an absolute *impossible time* seeing anyone around here lavishing such praise on a "Metallica" album that was James Hetfield and a bunch of dudes.  Or a "Pearl Jam" album that was Eddie Vedder and a bunch of randos.

The problem is that you can't imagine anyone else being less closed-minded than you. A lot of AC/DC fans straight up HATE Axl having worked with them, to this day. I however, would have loved nothing more than to hear what a collaborative writing project between them would sound like.

In fact, I was more open to the industrial style BECAUSE it was Axl doing it. To this day, I've never really listened to NIN and don't really have much urge to, but I really dig CD.

Also, since when is the "objective" frame of reference for music the mainstream listener? Mainstream listeners have just as many biases as fans do, they're simply different biases. Industrial metal was never all that big in the mainstream, and by the time CD came out, it's moment in the sun was largely over.

 18 
 on: October 20, 2021, 04:16:21 PM 
Started by Occultist - Last post by D-GenerationX
I thought he sounded awesome on 'Angel Down'.  Like he never missed a beat.

 19 
 on: October 20, 2021, 03:51:02 PM 
Started by GNRMTL - Last post by D-GenerationX
I will admit that when that storage locker of leaks was unearthed, I did find myself digging the rawer version of the songs more than the overproduced ones we got.

Probably no bigger examples than the title track and the (at the time) 'The Blues'.

 20 
 on: October 20, 2021, 03:33:00 PM 
Started by GNRMTL - Last post by C0ma
I have my criticisms of the album as a whole, but they are just my opinions. In November of 2008 I was happy to get what I got, it was a long time coming.

The album we got in 2008 was what they were able to release based on a variety of circumstances. I would at some point like Axl's version of "Let it Be: Naked" where it is a stripped down version with the bare minimum instrumentation and engineering to get the "essence" of the songs out, but without layered snippets of guitar from every person in the band since 1997 and bloated 1 minute long intro's like the title track. It would be nice if it retained the core of the CD lineup... I wouldn't mind hearing the current lineups take on songs, BUT I really want to hear what Axl wanted out of the 1997-2001 version of the band.

While Slash is working with Myles in the bands down time, get together with Caram, Brain, and anyone who can make this happen and get it out.

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