So, You Think Axl Still Smokes The Fat Bud?

[Buddha_Master]

Damn that's dumb. Nothing personal but that is just plain ignorant. Straight trippin. Trying to generalize something that is above your own knowledge and experiences and saying it like its fact.

Listen we'd show up, and Axl would say, " yo, you've known me, and you've rolled with me, and if I had a big enough pad I'd take you all home with me, I don't walk around with bodyguards to stop me, I'm hangin' out with the people, they're my posse."

So be happy dude, with your silly ass payday talking bullshit about bud...I don't really give a fuck. I'm makin 6 figures and keepin it real. Do some research son. Caffeine kills thousands a year, while bud in the history of recorded medicine hasn't claimed one victim. Go home and tell your daddy how proud you made him today.

Point being, there is too many serious ass topics in the world of GNR and its cool to mix shit up. Don't bring me down, with your complaints.

Someone in there 40's, who smoke weed all his life are like zombies? Wow thats dumb. You've got an awakening coming. You either roll with it, or you are left saying this lame shit that makes you sound like a sorry pair of clown shoes.

Everything is cool here. No need to fuck it all up with this false bullshit. Worse case scenario for bud smokers...they can become the president of the united states. Get your facts straight before spewing your right wing square ass bullshit.

This was a straight up inquiry on our boy. Don't twist it around to fullfill whatever parasitic need that you have.Learn to roll with shit.

[kj_jive]

Hahahhahaa

I lovethis thread!  Buddha Master, you are hilarious! I'm not trying to bring you down...I just love you're "dialect".  I know so many people who talk just like that.  More please.

[Evil Ash]

Buddha_Master, if you ever come to belgium or the netherlands let me know!!!

I wanna see how much you can take

[takeshi]

The only six figure in your income is the six bucks an hour you make mopping the floor at wendys.  Now if you can focus your burnt out little mind you should read this.

CNN) -- Researchers say new findings about marijuana show clear links between its heavy use and serious mental health problems. For more on the new study, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN medical correspondent, joined anchor Bill Hemmer on Friday's American Morning.

HEMMER: Let's talk about pot -- what are they saying?

GUPTA: First of all, marijuana use in this country is common -- approximately 12 million people in 2001 used marijuana. High school statistics, I think, are some of the most alarming -- 20.1 percent of eighth graders, that number doubles by the time you get to 10th graders, 40 percent of 10th graders say they've used it at least once in the month before they were asked, about 42 percent of seniors.

THC is the active chemical in marijuana. This is a chemical that gets in the brain and binds to certain receptors. Those receptors, once expressed have the cellular reactions that cause all of the things associated with a high -- pleasure, difficulties with memory, difficulties with concentration, uncoordinated movements. There are some benefits to marijuana use. It can make cancer chemotherapy patients hungrier -- also in HIV and AIDS patients.

But the three studies you are talking about talk specifically about schizophrenia and depression, and the fact that marijuana use earlier in life actually may lead to an increased -- 30 percent increase -- in schizophrenia later in life.

They actually looked at 50,000 Swedish military people, and they went back and looked at their histories and found those people who are more likely to use marijuana, both in terms of frequency and amount, are more likely to have the symptoms of schizophrenia.

HEMMER: What is the impact on the brain long-term?

GUPTA: Well, they talk specifically about the receptors and the THC sort-of interacting. We know it causes all these short-term effects, the ones we just listed. What is it doing to the brain long-term? Schizophrenia is a very complicated diagnosis. You get all sorts of symptoms -- hearing voices, disorganized speech, withdrawal, paranoia, for example. That's a very complicated picture within the brain. The fact that this THC can actually cause these things is just becoming known now.

HEMMER: Take it a little deeper on depression, though.

GUPTA: Depression, also a very big diagnosis -- roughly 18.8 million in this country have it. Again, they looked this time at 1,600 high school students and followed them over about seven years. This is in Australia, not in the United States. But they actually found that all of these boys and girls, particularly girls, were more vulnerable to the symptoms of depression later on in life again if they were frequent or even daily marijuana users.

Trying to piece together exactly the mechanism of how this THC causes these sorts of symptoms is a little more complicated, but that's what they're finding out.

HEMMER: You mentioned the benefits that some of the studies talk about. There are major significant movements in this country to get marijuana legalized for medicinal use or other reasons.

GUPTA: There are major movements. There is organization called NORML -- National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws. They have gained a lot of press lately about some of the medicinal uses. And marijuana can offer some of those things, especially when it comes to reducing nausea and vomiting, not advocating that necessarily myself. I think there are other ways to do that besides marijuana. There are a lot of short-term effects which may be hard to get around.

[2NaFish]

yeah, it may do a lot of evil shit, but you have to understand (and this goes for all drugs) that it's a shitload of fun doing it.

And i think that axl still goes for a sly chong outside the recording studio with Robin from time to time.

[Cornell]

Have you ever spoken to a guy in his 40's who has smoked weed all his life?

They're all zombies.? I hope that Axl has gotten his life together and doesn't need that crap.? If you need that stuff in your life to be happy then you really need to take a serious look at your life.? But i'm not your mother so if you want to fry your brain then by my guest.

Yes - quite often actually and they are lawyers, businessmen, and other well respected people.  Yeah, I do know some that are zombies, but they were actually that way BEFORE they started smoking pot. 

As for Axl, I'm betting on YES.

[Slipdisc]

Takeshi is full of it.

I live in Holland where smoking pot is just as normal as drinking beer. And leading studies in long-term affects of Mary Jane are conducted here. The legalization of softdrugs makes it that studies carried out here are much more accurate then in the rest of the world. Furthermore?our pot is like 30 % stronger then anywhere else.

More and more specialist over here are coming to the conclusion that the so called Mary- Jane- schizophrenia connection is nothing more then a load of crap, carefully kept alive by close-minded assbackwards governments in the rest of the world to fight something they don?t understand. They are finding more and more evidence for the theory that Schizo's haven't become that way because of the pot, but that their mentall illness draws them quicker to pot. So pot isn't the creator of schizophrenia, but schizofrenia draws people to pot.

All drugs most of the time share two common characteristics: mental and physical addiction

Even alcohol works in both ways? the only drug however that isn?t physically addictive at all???. is cannabis.

I bet you didn?t know that?

-PEACE-

PS:


Schizophrenia by cannabis new myth.
by our reporter Koen van Eijk.


Castricum - During the 1930?s, you would ?become homophilia? from cocaine use. In the 1970?s, schizophrenia was caused by failing parenting by the mother. It all turned out to be a hoax. Again, a new medical myth appears to be born: Now you become schozophrenic from hash and weed.

Psychiatrist Daniel van Dijk was surprised when he heard the news last
week: The use of hash and weed, cannabis, would be the cause of 200 more schzophrenia patients in the Netherlands each year. The media reported this on basis of a Trimbos-Institute research. According to Trimbos, even people without genetical indications would become psychotic of the intensive use (smoking) of cannabis. The underlying message: Softdrugs are not as innocent as being claimed. Coffeeshops are places that threaten the health of the youth. Dr. van Dijk, who works at the Duin en Bosch Psychiatric Hospital in Castricum, could hardly believe the Trimbos-Institute came up with a research containing such explicit results, out of the blue. If anyone knows what is going on in the area of schizophrenia and drugs, in Holland and far beyond, it is van Dijk. At the Duin en Bosch hospital, he is working on a research into the connection between psychic diseases and cannabis for years. He does not want to be called an authority, but he belongs to a group of experts in this area in the Netherlands. ?I started to investigate it. It appearred there was no such thing as a new research, but a combination of several old researches. The conclusions attached to all this are extremely short sighted.? said van Dijk. ?I have told that to Harald Wychgel of the Trimbos in a radio transmission. He replied that he did not say that cannabis causes schizophrenia, but that the mediadid. OK, but he did not say it was not so either. Now, the harm has already been done.?

Van Dijk brings up the examples of cocaine use and homosexuality, and schizophrenia and the mother. ?In the 1930?s there was a lot of cocaine snorting going on in the circles of the artists, authors and journalists, the so-called bohemians. Together with this, the people within this group did not have a problem with showing their sexual stances than other Dutch people. There was a connection between cocaine and homosexuality, but not any substabtial connection.? The idea that mothers are responsible for causing schizofrenia in their child, took place according to the same mechanism. Van Dijk: It was discovered that mothers of schozphrenics could not let go of their children. That was supposed to be the reason the kids would go schizophrenic. It turned out to be the contrary, afterwards. The children got a lot of extra attention because they were already not well. It was adeqaute, and not damaging behaviour by the mother.? If an image is already being sketched, it is difficult to undo this. A lot of mothers have been tormented by feelings of guilt, in case their son or daughter were diagnosed to have schizophrenia. This effect lasted quite some time. Eventhough the story was considered untrue by medical science, this was not the case in the surrounding of the suffering families of schizophrenics. The ?schizophrenogen mother? has been the topic of rumours and slander for a long time. Van Dijk warns for a false interpretation of the facts in this current discussion around cannabis and schizophrenia. ?These kinds of statements cause a lot of damage and unrest. I have been called by parents of schizophrenic children three times, this week. One Mother even asked me: Would my son not be sick if I would have managed to keep him away from the coffeeshop?

In the meanwhile, it is known there is a connection between cannabis and schizophrenia. Everybody working in the psychic health care will confirm that schizophrenics are heavy cannabis smokers. Van Dijk?s research proves that scientifically. Out of mentally healthy Dutch males between 20 and 40, 5 to 10 % smoke cannabis. Schizophrenic males in the same agegroup smoke a lot more cannabis: 60% But if smoking cannabis in early puberty will subsequently trigger schozophrenia at an older age, can not be proven by van Dijk. It seems more that many patients use it as self medication, a theory that is being in doubt within psychiatry. From his own research amongst 176 schizophrenia patients, van Dijk discovered that a lot of the patients smoke cannabis to combat the side effects of psychosis preventing medication. By smoking cannabis they feel less stiff, experience more emotions and in some cases the can enjoy having sex again. Van Dijk gives an example of one of his seriously psychotic patients, who would go wild over the smallest causes. He was put on an other medication and received psychotherapy, through which he managed to decrease his drugs consumption. The results are encouraging. The boy is more relaxed and wants to start working in a normal job. He has not been in isoltion for a long time. Finding a job might just give him the last little push in the right direction.

Van Dijk notices how in the current political climate the tolerance policy is being up for discussion, with mixed emotions. ?If a drug free world were possible, I would be in favor of that. Unfortunately, our society is not like that. Everything prohibited attracts criminals. As a doctor I
say: In favir of natinonal health all bad things should be legalised. In several cities in the Netherlands, free heroin was issued to a group of junks during a research. These junks started to take good care of themselves, they became healthier, started working and quit stealing. And take the situation on the premises of Duin en Bosch. We had a housedealer from Bakkum here. That went fine, until that man ended up in jail for a while. Then, pushers came calling here. They gave the patients a freebie the first time. They came back the next day, and turned to one of the patients, a young boy: Pay up now, or we?ll ripp your head off. This really happened. Such a volnourable boy, who already thinks he is being followed by the KGB, sees all his fears confirmed like this.?

Translated from a Dutch newspaper

[Buddha_Master]

The only six figure in your income is the six bucks an hour you make mopping the floor at wendys.  Now if you can focus your burnt out little mind you should read this.

I see it is weak that I put my shit out there like that. It made it sound like I was rubbing my shit in your face. But my salary really isn't anyones business. But saying that, jealousy isn't going to get you anywhere.

Now next time you want to say something to me like what you did, I'm going to take that personally. In fact, its directly breaking one of the rules of this board. I would keep my shit in check if I were you.

A simple fact that can't be argued, is that in the history of buds use, there has never been one recorded death resulting directly from its use. This isn't propaganda. The only problem is the ones who don't use it that insist on bringing everyone down and spread negativity.

"Yes - quite often actually and they are lawyers, businessmen, and other well respected people.  Yeah, I do know some that are zombies, but they were actually that way BEFORE they started smoking pot."
That is just the straight up truth.

But damn, let's just drop this bullshit. I didn't start this to create a forum for debate between the cool people and the right wing squares. Let's just kick back.

I'm going to take this back because I still have some things I'm wondering about.

[jarmo]

Well, this has gone off topic and turned into a virtual sandbox.....



/jarmo