A theory about Live Era 87-93: A new live album on the way?

[R. R. Dadfield]

I've just been listening to Live Era (again), and something's struck me:  why, when GNR were such an amazing live band, are some of the track selections quite poor?  I mean, what's with the out-of-key backing singers on You Could Be Mine, the plodding version of Dust N' Bones, and the horrible, horrible outro on Sweet Child?  And why were none of Slash's amazing intros included?  Why were some obvious songs missed off - Civil War, Locomotive - and as well as all the famously heavy covers  (eg. the fabulous version of Train Kept A Rollin' recorded in Paris ?).  The CD's OK, but it doesn't offer anything new - no imaginative track selections, just all the old favourites, and some of them done badly. 

Well, maybe I have an answer:  Axl DELIBERATELY made the thing slightly weaker than it could have been, so that, later, he could release a new live album (Era 1999-200?) which would put the old one to shame, and give the impression that the new band are better.  This might be a conspiracy theory - but it also explains the slightly weird title too - which gives the impression that some other 'era' is still to come.

Any thoughts? 

[jarmo]

My cd has a big sticker on it that says "Best Of Guns N' Roses Live".


I guess that's the reason it's got the hits on it and not too many surprise tracks.




/jarmo

[2NaFish]

i think you're wrong. if you seriously entertain the idea that the overall blandness of live era is in some way part of axl's scheme to release a live album within an even greater scheme of reintroducing gn'r to the world then you really need to get out more and stop concocting such theorys or all you'll end up doing is sitting at home looking for secret CIA messages in The Catcher In the Rye.

[Kahz]

Slash and Duff were also involved in Live Era. The reason the selection is so poor was explained by Slash (well not explained by Slash, said a few months before the release by Slash, just commenting on the album). He said that they didn't go looking for the best versions of each song, but just asked people to bring what they had and they would mix it.

[addict]

We need to look at the title of this album more than the songs on it
The fact that Axl calls the cd live era tells me, like the beatles before them his live era was over, and a studio era was about to begin.

[Dead N' Bloated]

he could release a new live album (Era 1999-200?)

LOL 1999 10 200? there would be bout 12 or 13 songs on it. The set lists were basically the same.

[gunsnfnroses]

I'm too stuck on this thought to read any other replies to see if my ideas match theirs, but I have 2 theories. regarding the blandness of the album, maybe they wanted it to be like a typical GnR show, what they usually sound like live (Axl used to make comments like they're the sloppiest live band). Secondly, the whole album seems to include songs from 5 maybe more different venues. Sounds to me like they got kind of lazy and didn't really search through the recordings for the amazing ones.

[Continental Drift]

I think they should have just released the Ritz '88 show.

Anyway, if I remember correctly, Axl said one of the problems is that they never really bothered to professionally record any of their shows entirely. Just wasn't something they were thinking about in the middle of all the madness of the UYI tour I guess. I think he said that at the time, they were operating under the assumption that Guns (in that line-up) would be around touring for decades and it was not necessarily "pressing" to get a full recording of the band live.

As far as a new live album goes... I strongly suggest that GN'R2 first releases those 70+ songs we've been hearing about.

[trojan]

I think they should have just released the Ritz '88 show.

As far as a new live album goes... I strongly suggest that GN'R2 first releases those 70+ songs we've been hearing about.

a-fucking-men

[HoldenCaulfield]

While I agree that the tracklisting and performance selection is somewhat terrible, when they were working on getting the album, I really doubt Axl had an alterior motive with plans of a future live album. It was very rushed...

[Kahz]

Secondly, the whole album seems to include songs from 5 maybe more different venues. Sounds to me like they got kind of lazy and didn't really search through the recordings for the amazing ones.

You are 100% right. Here's what was posted back in '99 at Snakepit.org (http://www.snakepit.org/news2.html)

"Guns N'Roses will deliver a live album to fans in November! The album will most likely be a double one with 23 or 24 songs. Several different concerts were chosen, so that all the band incarnations from 1987 to 1992 could be included. SLASH did not do the selection, only the mixing. He told the people involved to bring what they had, and he and Andy Wallace would mix it. SLASH wasn't interested in going through the various versions of a song looking for the best one."

[UziSuicide05]

Possible but not likely.

[Mikkamakka]

As far as I know Del James did the song selection. But I wonder why he/they forgot about Civil War, DTJ and at least one Slash solo, not to mention some other songs. 

BTW Slash said that Live Era would have some surprises like the live version of Bad Apples. Well, it didn't happen.

[WARose]

I wonder why they forgot Live and let die

[R. R. Dadfield]

i think you're wrong. if you seriously entertain the idea that the overall blandness of live era is in some way part of axl's scheme to release a live album within an even greater scheme of reintroducing gn'r to the world then you really need to get out more and stop concocting such theorys or all you'll end up doing is sitting at home looking for secret CIA messages in The Catcher In the Rye.

This really made me laugh.  A good deal of this board is devoted to conspiracy theories, so if that ain't your thing, why do keep coming here?  And I didn't say I actually believe my own theory - it's just an idea, that's all - and a way of finding out whether other people think the Live CD was a let down.

As for "needing to get out more".  I can't accept that kind of criticism from someone with over a thousand posts.  It's the pot calling the kettle black.   

[2NaFish]

i think you're wrong. if you seriously entertain the idea that the overall blandness of live era is in some way part of axl's scheme to release a live album within an even greater scheme of reintroducing gn'r to the world then you really need to get out more and stop concocting such theorys or all you'll end up doing is sitting at home looking for secret CIA messages in The Catcher In the Rye.

This really made me laugh. A good deal of this board is devoted to conspiracy theories, so if that ain't your thing, why do keep coming here? And I didn't say I actually believe my own theory - it's just an idea, that's all - and a way of finding out whether other people think the Live CD was a let down.

As for "needing to get out more". I can't accept that kind of criticism from someone with over a thousand posts. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

The simple fact is that your theory is utterly ridiculous. And i say that in the true meaning of the word; it's so stupid it deserve ridicule. You've had a stupid idea and thought it through to a completely illogical conclusion and then touted it as a possible fact.

As for having a thousand post i'd like to make 2 points.

1) I average about 2 posts per day here. Hardly a pathetic obsession.
2) There's far worse than me and i'd love to see you say the same thing to them.

Your idea remains as ridiculous wether or not i have one post or one thousand.

[R. R. Dadfield]

i think you're wrong. if you seriously entertain the idea that the overall blandness of live era is in some way part of axl's scheme to release a live album within an even greater scheme of reintroducing gn'r to the world then you really need to get out more and stop concocting such theorys or all you'll end up doing is sitting at home looking for secret CIA messages in The Catcher In the Rye.

This really made me laugh. A good deal of this board is devoted to conspiracy theories, so if that ain't your thing, why do keep coming here? And I didn't say I actually believe my own theory - it's just an idea, that's all - and a way of finding out whether other people think the Live CD was a let down.

As for "needing to get out more". I can't accept that kind of criticism from someone with over a thousand posts. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

The simple fact is that your theory is utterly ridiculous. And i say that in the true meaning of the word; it's so stupid it deserve ridicule. You've had a stupid idea and thought it through to a completely illogical conclusion and then touted it as a possible fact.

As for having a thousand post i'd like to make 2 points.

1) I average about 2 posts per day here. Hardly a pathetic obsession.
2) There's far worse than me and i'd love to see you say the same thing to them.

Your idea remains as ridiculous wether or not i have one post or one thousand.

Woah, steady the horses 2NaFish!  Let's not get angry about things.  OK, so you don't agree with my suggestion, and that's fair enough.  But it's exactly that:  a SUGGESTION - and at no point have I tried to pretend it's a fact.  Unlike some people, who post ChiDem 'tracklists' on here with no source, I made it totally clear my idea was opinion.  After all, this is a message board, and there has to be room for people to float ideas about things.  That's why it's good to talk about them.  And so, in future, if you're going to disagree with people, try not to make it personal - calling me 'stupid', 'illogical' and suggesting that I'm some kind of loser who 'needs to get out more', really isn't helpful or clever.  And for the record, I don't think posting messages here is a 'pathetic obsession' - after all, I wouldn't be here myself if I did.  I just don't like being insulted and misrepresented - which is what you've done.   

[AxlRoseVen]

I've just been listening to Live Era (again), and something's struck me:? why, when GNR were such an amazing live band, are some of the track selections quite poor?? I mean, what's with the out-of-key backing singers on You Could Be Mine, the plodding version of Dust N' Bones, and the horrible, horrible outro on Sweet Child?? And why were none of Slash's amazing intros included?? Why were some obvious songs missed off - Civil War, Locomotive - and as well as all the famously heavy covers? (eg. the fabulous version of Train Kept A Rollin' recorded in Paris ?).? The CD's OK, but it doesn't offer anything new - no imaginative track selections, just all the old favourites, and some of them done badly.?

Well, maybe I have an answer:? Axl DELIBERATELY made the thing slightly weaker than it could have been, so that, later, he could release a new live album (Era 1999-200?) which would put the old one to shame, and give the impression that the new band are better.? This might be a conspiracy theory - but it also explains the slightly weird title too - which gives the impression that some other 'era' is still to come.

Any thoughts??

First off!...I just really wonder why doesn't that fucking album tell exactly where all those live tracks have been taken from?
..I heard to say many times that every track has been mixed up across many concerts , for example the patience song doesn't belong to one show completely...it was mixed up across 2 shows more (I guess it was taken from Mexico City show '92 n' Paris show '92) but I also guess all those tracks weren't mixed up at all!

...once I found out a website which said where the original sources were taken from but I saw it just was a big lie too cuz it says the don't cry song into the live era album was taken from GNR Live Tokio  concert '92 but if u see this video you'll see it's a fucking lie too again...well anyway I just wanna know why doesn't  live era album show its original sources truly?  

[norway]

i always wondered if some of the vocaltrack on rocket queen are new
the vocals on the last part rocks soooo much

[AxlRoseVen]

I've just been listening to Live Era (again), and something's struck me:? why, when GNR were such an amazing live band, are some of the track selections quite poor?? I mean, what's with the out-of-key backing singers on You Could Be Mine, the plodding version of Dust N' Bones, and the horrible, horrible outro on Sweet Child?? And why were none of Slash's amazing intros included?? Why were some obvious songs missed off - Civil War, Locomotive - and as well as all the famously heavy covers? (eg. the fabulous version of Train Kept A Rollin' recorded in Paris ?).? The CD's OK, but it doesn't offer anything new - no imaginative track selections, just all the old favourites, and some of them done badly.?

Well, maybe I have an answer:? Axl DELIBERATELY made the thing slightly weaker than it could have been, so that, later, he could release a new live album (Era 1999-200?) which would put the old one to shame, and give the impression that the new band are better.? This might be a conspiracy theory - but it also explains the slightly weird title too - which gives the impression that some other 'era' is still to come.

Any thoughts??

First off!...I just really wonder why doesn't that fucking album tell exactly where all those live tracks have been taken from?
..I heard to say many times that every track has been mixed up across many concerts , for example the patience song doesn't belong to one show completely...it was mixed up across 2 shows more (I guess it was taken from Mexico City show '92 n' Paris show '92) but I also guess all those tracks weren't mixed up at all!

...once I found out a website which said where the original sources were taken from but I saw it just was a big lie too cuz it says the don't cry song into the live era album was taken from GNR Live Tokio? concert '92 but if u see this video you'll see it's a fucking lie too again...well anyway I just wanna know why doesn't? live era album show its original sources truly? ?


Posted by: norway 

i always wondered if some of the vocaltrack on rocket queen are new
the vocals on the last part rocks soooo much 

well, I just wonder where the fuck has this live track taken from? does it belong to Mexico City Concert '92 ?, this track does rock!!!! everytime I hear it I feel something very rare deep own inside n' I don't know why yet!!, don't you feel the same,guy?