Richard on tour with Enrique Iglesias

[Doc Emmett Brown]

but if making these criticisms makes you feel cool and smart, then carry on.  

I assume you also have a problem with the lead singer of the most dangerous band in the world playing piano with Elton John?

Unfortunately, kockstar and Finck tv (aka TiedHands) are the kind of fans that are turncoats, hence their respective lameass dissing of Slash and BH.

If Brian May were to join (and then leave because GNR still hasnt done anything), watch them poke fun at this legendary guitarist.

They will never have a problem with the lead singer, instead they will 'blame it on the Falun Gong'.

[badapple81]

I couldn't have any less respect for Nysnc Fortus

Yeah I mean as if you'd go do guitar sessions with other artists while another band you are contracted to is doing nothing, to pay your bills and use your expertise  

[rocktar81]

you are all very complicated. it's just for fun, that's all.

[HoldenCaulfield]

I'm not a turncoat. I'll be honest, I love all of GNR's music, but I never really loved the band itself. I didn't really find interest in Slash, Duff, or Izzy, but I'm infatuated with this new band, so I didn't "turn" on anyone. BTW, I admire and sympathise with the Falun Gong, they shouldn't be blamed for anything  

[DRUNK]

He likes to play and get paid.  I see no problem with Richard doing stuff like that.  

Do you expect him to pass up those opportunities and sit on his ass?

[charl!edontsurf]

The main problem I see, is that Slash created the music for Blackstreet and Jackson. I doubt Richard wrote Enriques songs. There is a difference from writing and appearing on album/video than there is just touring and what not.

Slash's colaborations are great. His guitar work in them is really something. I am not so sure about these Enrique/Britney stints. I couldn't be paid to listen to them.

They are both session whores. Oh well. So is Jimmy Page. I guess he sucks as well.

[kockstar99]

Now go on and tell me how no one has respect for Van Halen... go on.

the guy has become a drunk, he cant work with any singers,  he cant even work with one of his brothers from what iam hearing...sure the man can play the guitar.. but respect him? cant say i respect the man, his guitar ability yes...but thats it...

[kockstar99]

And Blackstreet (Teddy Riley) was one of R&Bs most respected acts...but if making these criticisms makes you feel cool and smart, then carry on.  

no i dont need to insult slash to feel "cool" and "smart"

compare the slash of 87, 88, 89 (Roxy show era) to the guy that played with wako jako and blackstreet...

Axl ALWAYS said that Elton John was a personal inspiration for him... and to play a song with Elton would be a dream for him...

Slash NEVER EVER cited Wako or Blackstreet as a favorite of his... he sited Stones, Slade, Sweet, Pistols, Ramones..

Therefore i conclude that he played with Wako and Blackstreet for the money or the exposure it would bring him, not coz it was something he really belived in or gave a fuck about....

I could be wrong thats just my opinion...but the public perception of him was ALOT different after those apperances than before them....  

please reply.....

[DRUNK]

Now go on and tell me how no one has respect for Van Halen... go on.

the guy has become a drunk, he cant work with any singers,  he cant even work with one of his brothers from what iam hearing...sure the man can play the guitar.. but respect him? cant say i respect the man, his guitar ability yes...but thats it...

Uh, you know that famous musicians aren't supposed to be your friends, right?  Do you personally know Eddie Van Halen?  I doubt it, so what do you actually know about the situation?  You know NOTHING except for some garbage you've heard in the press, which can never be considered accurate even if it was true because you weren't there to see it yourself.

All you should care about are his guitar playing and music writing.  Everything personal is a waste of time.

[kockstar99]

Now go on and tell me how no one has respect for Van Halen... go on.

the guy has become a drunk, he cant work with any singers,  he cant even work with one of his brothers from what iam hearing...sure the man can play the guitar.. but respect him? cant say i respect the man, his guitar ability yes...but thats it...

Uh, you know that famous musicians aren't supposed to be your friends, right?  Do you personally know Eddie Van Halen?  I doubt it, so what do you actually know about the situation?  You know NOTHING except for some garbage you've heard in the press, which can never be considered accurate even if it was true because you weren't there to see it yourself.

All you should care about are his guitar playing and music writing.  Everything personal is a waste of time.

your right i dont know the man or cant say i want too.. dont really dig his music either, never did,.. like Diamond dave tho,.. creative guy,.. has alot to say on and off stage, he makes good points and is entertaining...  as for Van Halen? dont care if he lives or dies, or ever makes another record for that matter... but since this isnt a thread about Eddie Van Halen ill leave it as that.... no i dont respect him as a musician or man... to do that i would have to care or be interested in him and his music.. he can play the guitar well tho...

[Booker Floyd]

compare the slash of 87, 88, 89 (Roxy show era) to the guy that played with wako jako and blackstreet...

Not much of a difference if you ask me...Axl, on the other hand...I mean, seriously, if the point youre attempting to make is that Slash changed somehow, then its a terrible one.  Explain exactly what you mean when you ask me to compare the "Roxy era" Slash to the one 3 years later.  Ive heard a lot of negative opinions about Slash on these forums, but last thing somebody can point out is how much Slash has changed.  I thought theargument against him was his reluctance to change?  Maybe you can clarify?

Axl ALWAYS said that Elton John was a personal inspiration for him... and to play a song with Elton would be a dream for him...

Slash NEVER EVER cited Wako or Blackstreet as a favorite of his... he sited Stones, Slade, Sweet, Pistols, Ramones..

 

Another awful premise.  So its only okay to collaborate with people youve publicly cited as influences?  And how does Axls inspiration for Elton change what is essentially your argument - image?  Youre saying that theres something wrong with Slash - the guitarist of the most dangerous band in the world - collaborating with the likes of Michael Jackson.  The singer of that dangerous band does duets with the flamboyantly gay piano-pop icon...but thats okay, because Axl stated that he likes Elton John in interviews...or is it just because hes Axl?  Be honest.  If youre going to carry on with such a stupid opinion, thats fine, but at least be consistent with it.

Thats just pointing out the inconsistency of your opinion.  The stupidity of the actual opinion comes down to you questioning Slashs motive for collaborating.  You defend Axls collaborations with decidedly un-dangerous acts like Elton John based on the Axls inspiration for John.  So youre saying it would be okay if Slash had listed Jackson as an influence in interviews (much like Buckethead?), right?  First it was an embarassment because he wasnt playing with dangerous artists...then I reminded you that Axl had done the same...now youve come fresh off the drawing board with "Slash is only doing for exposure".  Indecisive?

To kill that argument, I could point you to plenty of articles where Slash has plainly said that he enjoys playing music with many different people.  Thats his inspiration.  He genuinely loves working with lots of musicians, whether he knows them or not.  Axl made Buckethead a part of his band.  Why?  Because he enjoys the guy.  But you mean he never said in an interview that he was a lifelong inspiration?    Its such a stupid argument, and you backed it up so poorly.

Beyond that, Michael Jackson is a musical legend and the biggest superstar in the world (at least at the time).  Why wouldnt he play with him?  Theres very few people who havent been inspired by Jackson in some way, and theres just as few that wouldnt absolutely jump at an opportunity to work with him.  You dont think Buckethead wouldnt?  

[kockstar99]

Not much of a difference if you ask me...Axl, on the other hand...I mean, seriously, if the point youre attempting to make is that Slash changed somehow, then its a terrible one.  Explain exactly what you mean when you ask me to compare the "Roxy era" Slash to the one 3 years later.  Ive heard a lot of negative opinions about Slash on these forums, but last thing somebody can point out is how much Slash has changed.  I thought theargument against him was his reluctance to change?  Maybe you can clarify?

The point i was trying to make irt Slash of the Roxy era was at the time when they were playing gigs like that he was the quiet mysterious type with his hair hidding his face and all he had an aura of unknown or unpredictiable, IMO that all went away when he started with all the colaborations.. then people just saw him as a nice guy... while i know he is a nice and humble guy, doing those colaborations was certanly a FAR cry from what people thought of him and of the band Guns n Roses, People would say "what the fuck is he doing playing with Michael Jackson?"  I will state that looking back in hindsight its no big deal now, BUT AT THE TIME it came as a big shock to the majority of Guns n Roses Fans that I knew, That we was playing with those type of artists considered to be of the lighter genre. So thats why i concluded that he MIGHT have played with those type of artists for the money or the exposure.. not coz it was something he really gave a fuck about, So alot of the ORIGINAL,  HARD ROCK, ANTICONFORMIST, FUCK THE WORLD,  fans saw this as changing to something he was not and he lost respect for it,(again from some fans)

Another awful premise.  So its only okay to collaborate with people youve publicly cited as influences?  And how does Axls inspiration for Elton change what is essentially your argument - image?  Youre saying that theres something wrong with Slash - the guitarist of the most dangerous band in the world - collaborating with the likes of Michael Jackson.  The singer of that dangerous band does duets with the flamboyantly gay piano-pop icon...but thats okay, because Axl stated that he likes Elton John in interviews...or is it just because hes Axl?  Be honest.  If youre going to carry on with such a stupid opinion, thats fine, but at least be consistent with it.

I will say that yes first and foremost since i heard the band for the 1st time in 87-88 I WAS and continue to be a fan of AXL ROSE first and foremost, I always have been, IF i had thought SLASH was the one i wanted to watch i would be at the velvet revolver forums.. But By the time Axl had done his duet with Elton John, Guns n Roses were already bigger than life and the "aura of mysterious" was not as prevelant.. they were no longer street cretins living off strippers, doing blow, and sleeping where their head lies.. They had money, houses, girl friends, gold records,  Does that make it ok for Axl to sing with Elton the fag?? coz they have success?? who am i to say who they play with, I will say that Success DEFENETLY changed that band ... They started to work with the artists of the lighter genres and hip hop acts, and sure why not? they were given the chance. They did loose some street cred when they started this.. but again i say thats due to the Success that they acheeved... its happend to many bands, before them and after them...  

To kill that argument, I could point you to plenty of articles where Slash has plainly said that he enjoys playing music with many different people.  Thats his inspiration.  He genuinely loves working with lots of musicians, whether he knows them or not.

Ok in 1986 if you walked up to Slash at the Rainbow bar and grill and asked the man "Hey dude, how would you like to play on Michael Jacksons next record?"

Ill bet my Tits you would have gotten a different answer than you would have in 1991/92

Axl made Buckethead a part of his band.  Why?  Because he enjoys the guy.  But you mean he never said in an interview that he was a lifelong inspiration?    

come on man....

Beyond that, Michael Jackson is a musical legend and the biggest superstar in the world (at least at the time).  Why wouldnt he play with him?  Theres very few people who havent been inspired by Jackson in some way, and theres just as few that wouldnt absolutely jump at an opportunity to work with him.  You dont think Buckethead wouldnt?  

I cant say about Buckethead... That guy will play with anyone, .. although i will admit I had NEVER heard of him untill Axl brought him along... but it seems to me the more ive tried to learn about the guy in the 4 years hes been with the band he will play with just about anyone...which is cool by me... Slash can play with anyone he wants to as well and i will not have anymore or less respect for the man, We know who he is now and hes no longer living in the streets, doing blow, living off strippers,  He is a successfull and talented professional now...  and I would hate to see him or any of them still live that lifestyle... No matter what if you support a band that starts like that when they gain success (that you gave them by supporting them) some fans will say they "Sold out" and "lost respect" ... its a win/lose situation... for alot of guns n roses fans those compalations were that turning point.....

again i maybe tend to see things from the Axl Rose point of view because i was and will always be an Axl Rose fan,  If im wrong please point it out to me... I hate to be wrong about anything regarding this band ive followed for sooo fucking long.....  

[Izzy]

I couldn't have any less respect for Nysnc Fortus

Yeah I mean as if you'd go do guitar sessions with other artists while another band you are contracted to is doing nothing, to pay your bills and use your expertise  

There is something called 'artist integrity'

Richard demonstrates again he will work for any one as long as the cheque clears.

Put this another way, if Axl turned up with Britney Spears and did some pop song u would be appaled, this is no different.

[DRUNK]

None of us know anything about Richard.  There is no connection.  He is just a hired guitar player and we don't really know much about his role in the band.  All the music was written before he even came anyway.  I just don't get how someone could bitch and complain about this guy jamming with ANYONE.  It isn't like he is this hard rocker type that has come out and declared it.  We don't know his opinions.  We know nothing.  Shut the fuck up.

[Skunk]

They are both session whores. Oh well. So is Jimmy Page. I guess he sucks as well.

Jimmy Page sucks? hahaha - no.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

no i dont respect him as a musician or man... to do that i would have to care or be interested in him and his music.. he can play the guitar well tho...

Why do you think Eddie Van Halen & Slash were ASKED to play with MJ?  Because they can "play the guitar well"  as you crassly put it.  DUH!   Obviously we're talking respect in terms of their profession - guitarist.  

Speaking of that, how much respect do you have for a lead singer who cant bother to show up to his own concerts?  You might have to remove your rose-colored glasses to answer that one.

"Elton John the fag"??
You're making an argument for Axl and then you turn around and insult the guy he worked with?  How retarded is that?  

"Buckethead will work with anyone"?  You mean someone like Axl Rose right?  

You've shown your true colors.  You've insulted 3 different musicians because you cant make any postive arguments about the subject of this thread - Fortus.  So intead you're forced to make stupid remarks about Slash.

[erose]

i think it is totaly fucked up... the whole nsync and enrique think is something i'll never mention for anyone... those are artist i think suck and they're an embaresment for the whole fucking music industry...

[AxlsMainMan]

I personally dont think its that big of a deal. Sure I think Enrique has no talent and his music is horrible but Richard needs to make a decent living, and he aint making much in GnR land. Does anyone outside of this board even know who Richard Fortus really is, or that he's a Guns N' Roses bandmemeber?

[kockstar99]

Why do you think Eddie Van Halen & Slash were ASKED to play with MJ?  Because they can "play the guitar well"  as you crassly put it.  DUH!   Obviously we're talking respect in terms of their profession - guitarist.  

I dont care why they played with Wako... Wako sucks ass and so does Van Halen...

Speaking of that, how much respect do you have for a lead singer who cant bother to show up to his own concerts?  You might have to remove your rose-colored glasses to answer that one.

How many concerts has he never "bothered to show up for"
I cant count one... unless your going to pull the Phily concert but you dont know anymore about that than i do.. so your assumtion is mute.. I have tons of respect for the man...

"Elton John the fag"??
You're making an argument for Axl and then you turn around and insult the guy he worked with?  How retarded is that?

I dont see anything retarded with that.. i wasnt making any argument for Axl or Elton.. I was refering to  one of the compalations that Guns n Roses did... it was neither for or against Elton John..

"Buckethead will work with anyone"?  You mean someone like Axl Rose right?  

no i mean like Les Claypool, Snoop Dog, Elijah Wood, Primus, Bootsy Collins, Various Funk Artists, etc, etc, etc,... The argument was Buckethead has ALWAYS been playing with various artists since he gained his success..  Slash on the other hand, had not....  Re read it ...

You've shown your true colors.  You've insulted 3 different musicians

Who did i inuslt?

1. Van Halen?? yes coz i dont care about Van Halens music or him... His music is shit, His stage presence is shit, He is shit to me.. I dont give 2 shits about Van halen... enough about van halen ... take it to the Van halen board...  

2. Elton the fag? He is a fag.. admitted, ... and i was not insulting him... I was refering to him. In fact i have alot of the mans CD's and have seen him in concert..

3. Slash?? you quote and show me ONE, JUST ONE insult i have posted of SLASH... You cant... Coz i didnt.. Im calling you out here.. quote one insult of slash that i posted.....

because you cant make any postive arguments about the subject of this thread - Fortus.  So intead you're forced to make stupid remarks about Slash.

No dipshit the subject myself and Booker were talking about intelligently was the effect of Compalations with lighter genre acts and how they affect the publics perception of Guns n Roses..  I made no "stupid remarks about slash" I said he lost respect by doing compilations with Wako and Blackstreet... I backed it up with why i thought that in my previous post.. so my suggestion to you is to re read the the entire thread and then come back when you have something intelligent to say..

[cineater]

I missed it when did you say he was touring with this guy?  He was playing with Dizzy last night.