Why Gilby was fired from Gn'r?

[zqyx79]

Or maybe he leave Guns n' Roses but not was fired? Tell me about it.

[norway]

he stepped in 4 izzy and after the tour wen't over, things are a lil' blurry
he noticed the paycheck wasn't coming and took that as a hint according to himself...

then the dead-era began?

not so familar whith it, i think maybe axl? anyone else know better?
maybe he wasn't considered as a real member

d'ya like him?

here's some articles 

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=60

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=125

[Michael_Stradlin]

The really sad thing is when Gilby was fired from the band at the beginning he thought that were only rumours...?

[Mikkamakka]

He was fired. Why? There are two reasons: Axl Rose and Paul Huge/Ono/Tobias.

[Dave_Rose]

Gilby is the man I loved him in GN'R

[erose]

i don't think it was anything really bad between gilby and axl, after all axl sang with gilby on one of his records and even joined him live on stage in 2000 i think. I guess gilby figured he was done when he stopped getting payed way back when... i guess he still gets a little from tsi and the tokyo vids tho maybe. not sure...

[Slashly]

I recall Slash saying something about how Matt and Gilby could fill Steven and Izzys places for the tour but that when they went back to recording they missed them.
Also I dont think Gilby is rithm material, come on!He?s a kick ass lead guitar player.I doubt he LOOOOVEEEDDD playing rithm.












Baby Slash//

[erose]

I think he would have stayed in GN'R tho if he could have, even if it was only for the rythm job! 

[Walapino]

I recall that Gilby sued GNR about money but my memory is fuzzy.

[Narcissa]

never considered him a member, just a temporary substitute guitarist.

[usurper]

never considered him a member, just a temporary substitute guitarist.

Thats not very nice. I consider him a member because he fit in the band, he could actually play a guitar, he's not a fake, he has a fucking great stage persona and he looks really cool. Also he is a bloody nice guy, thats rare in good musicians these days.0

[Mikkamakka]

never considered him a member, just a temporary substitute guitarist.

Thats not very nice. I consider him a member because he fit in the band, he could actually play a guitar, he's not a fake, he has a fucking great stage persona and he looks really cool. Also he is a bloody nice guy, thats rare in good musicians these days.0

And he started to write music for the 'new' GN'R cd back then, so he was considered to be a permanent musician for the band.

[St.heathen]

I seem to remember an article that came out back in '93 Kerrang mag. Where Gilby - i think he let rip about the attitudes and goings on in GN'R, and the guys - who ever it was weren't happy. 

And it wasn't too long before he was out of the band and he filed a law suit for using his image on promotional items without his permission? I seem to remember that being a reason put forward, it was along those lines anyway.  Some bollocks like that - obviously lawyers getting  involved to get the money he was owed.

Gilby was so cool for me - because i got into GN'R  in '92. He simply was the guitarist for GN'R. He looked cool, enjoyed himself onstage, famously learnt an incredible amount of songs in short space of time.

I think the fact that he  - i think i am right in saying - has worked with every member of GNR outside of the band  - on solo work. That speaks volumes of the respect he had earnt from those guys.

[usurper]

Well, he is a better musician than Izzy. He seemed to fit the band like a glove to a hand.

[IzzyDutch]

He's not a better musician then Izzy, but as a guitarist he's technically better then Izzy. Gilby used to work as a session
guitarist, he came in when other guitarists couldn't cut it.

[*Izzy*]

IZZY IS A MUCH BETTER MUSICIAN THAN GILBY. He's on the same level as Axl when it comes to writing songs and if your into the old Gn'r then you'd have to like songs like DN'B,UTLH.DTJ,14 YEARS,PTU, the list of songs that Izzy helped write is endless (even popular songs like SCOM and YCBM). It's fair enough to say that Gilby was a nice guy, was more energetic on stage, was a technically better guitarist but none of those things count when it comes to writting music and releasing records, although Gilby has released a few albums they werent to my tastes but then again Izzy's albums might not be your tastes and thats fair enough I guesse it's different stokes for different folks

  Izzy?

[tjompus]

Well, he is a better musician than Izzy. He seemed to fit the band like a glove to a hand.

Hell no!

[//JK75]

I recall Slash saying something about how Matt and Gilby could fill Steven and Izzys places for the tour but that when they went back to recording they missed them.

Matt wasn't hired for the tour... He plays 99% of UYI albums... and If Slash would ever said that why he got a band with Matt now? Maybe he could say something like that about Gilby, but I think Matt is a drummer that they consider best than Steven.

Gilby fit great in Guns... but I agree with you that he is a great lead guitar player, not a rhytm.
I even remember something I read about a fan or something that ask Gilby if he would like to get back to GNR and his answer was something like "they already got a lead guitar... " so, he don't want to be rhytm again.? I would love to see him back.... but I would love MORE to see Izzy back.

He's the ONE.

Some people here used to bash Izzy... I think they forgot that He and Axl started GNR and that Izzy wrote a big percent of the greatest music that Guns has made.

[usurper]

I know Gilby may not be to your liking but did he quit GN'R in a middle of a massive world tour? Did he go back to his home to do donuts with his motorcycle in his front yard? Is he bitter about the fact he got fired ad replaced by Paul *shudder* Huge? No. That is the answer to every question asked here in my reply. You can't compare solo albums because both have the same qualities, they are both mediocre.

Here is a list of what songs Izzy wrote on his own:

Mr.Brownstone
Think about You
Patience
You ain't the First
Double Talkin' Jive

Ya see, he was not such a major influence on the song writing. It was mainly Axl's songs that got to the top 5. And at least Gilby has buried the hatchet about everything and move on. He even said he would not even mind rejoining GN'R. Have you heard Izzy say that? I don't thin so.

[*Izzy*]

Songs that Izzy helped write i.e ones when his name comes second are also largly influenced by him, I mean no-one knows exactly who wrote Nightrain because they all wrote it together. And the songs that Axl and Izzy wrote together just because Axl's name is credited before Izzy doen't mean he wrote more of the song. Anyway by no means am I saying that Izzy was Gn'R? himself, but give him some credit. He wrote Dust n' Bones, Pretty Tied Up, You Could Be Mine and Anything Goes aswell didn't? he God this post is off topic anyway....Gilby was cool.

  Izzy?

 

[mrlee]

i liked gilby, i found out about him before i did izzy lol.

[Mikkamakka]

Here is a list of what songs Izzy wrote on his own:

Mr.Brownstone

No way, Slash and Izzy wrote that. And what about Pretty Tied Up?

But as Izzy himself mentioned, he always wrote songs that sounded the same as his solo stuff, but then Slash came and rewrote them. That's it.

[jgfnsr]

As far as Izzy and Slash go when it comes to songwriting, Izzy seemed to be the stronger songwriter, albeit a tad too "bluesy" at times.

I always thought Slash's influence with him meshed really well because he gave Izzy's writing that extra energy, made it a little harder-edged, etc.

[*Izzy*]

Yeah Izzy n' Slash, as someone else said, one of the greatest guitar duos in history?

  Izzy?

[IzzyDutch]

I know Gilby may not be to your liking but did he quit GN'R in a middle of a massive world tour? Did he go back to his home to do donuts with his motorcycle in his front yard? Is he bitter about the fact he got fired ad replaced by Paul *shudder* Huge? No. That is the answer to every question asked here in my reply. You can't compare solo albums because both have the same qualities, they are both mediocre.

Here is a list of what songs Izzy wrote on his own:

Mr.Brownstone
Think about You
Patience
You ain't the First
Double Talkin' Jive

Ya see, he was not such a major influence on the song writing. It was mainly Axl's songs that got to the top 5. And at least Gilby has buried the hatchet about everything and move on. He even said he would not even mind rejoining GN'R. Have you heard Izzy say that? I don't thin so.

You forgot Pretty Tied Up, besides there are a lot of songs that Izzy wrote the music for...
Izzy was a major influence on the song writing, besides the songs he fully wrote he co-wrote a lot of other songs. For example Slash said that if Izzy wasn't there playing the SCOM chords there wouldn't be SCOM
Just because Axl's songs made it to the top 5 doens't mean that Izzy's are less good.

Also Izzy said in a 2001 interview during the release of his River album that he had nothing against a GN'R reunion.

Izzy has released the most cd's of all the ex-GN'R members, a little more then Gilby so you tell me who's moved on

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Here is a list of what songs Izzy wrote on his own:

and so err....  why dont you list all the GNR songs that Gilby wrote on his own?  OH wait.... 


When I think about creating Guns music (not just playing it on tour),  Izzy Stradlin is the obvious choice.  I dont care about "on his own".  That's just dumb - it's not about solo artist, but the band dynamics! Izzy & Slash work well together.  Izzy & Axl wrote many songs together.  That was the great thing about the band - you could feel everyone's contribution.


When VR was trying to start up before they had a singer,  Izzy dropped by and helped them get their juices flowing.  Both Duff and Slash have stated this interviews and were happy to see him.  Not only that, I heard Scott didnt want to use Izzy's stuff because....it sounded too much like Guns N' Roses!!   Imagine that!!  Put 3 original members in a room together - now you know where that signature GNR sound comes from. 


As for Gilby, I admire him for learning so many songs for the monster tour, being a really cool touring guitarist, and yes in all the bootlegs I've seen, he has great stage presence and looks happy to be up there.  That's awesome - and in the Argentina '93 bootleg (I think),  when Axl introduces the band, he says it's been a pleasure to have Gilby there on the tour. 

Despite being an awesome touring guitarist, I cant judge him on his songwriting contribution to GNR because that stuff was never released.  Was it good? did it suck? who knows?  So calling him a permanent member from an era which released no new music (through no fault of his own) doesnt make sense., regardless of what a "nice guy" he is.  Dont demean him to that level.

[jimmythegent]

I think he did an admirable job replacing Izzy on the tour (although his guitar is very quiet in most shows ive heard) and he was the right man for that particular job

However, when it came to creating a new guns n roses album i think he was never really considered - he didnt really offer anything new and for that reason I think he was the first of many eventual casualties

[gunznroses]

they  both were good guitarists, but with song writing izzy has that over gilby. gilby just reminds me of dizzy. they both will listen to what ever axl says that is why they are still around each other,(you know what i mean)axl preformed with gilby in 2000 and dizzy is still in gnr now. Izzy wouldnt put up with axl's shit and rolled out. does any body know why Gilby doesn't play with VR instead of Dave Kushner.

[IzzyDutch]

Gilby didn't put up with Axl's shit eiter, only Dizzy did. when he played with Axl in 2000 Gilby saw Axl sitting in the crowd and asked him to join on Dead Flowers. Gilby didn't leave in an arguement so that was fine. Dizzy however is a different story...

I remember in the early days of the Project that Gilby was asked but he said they already had a lead guitarist. Basically he wants to play lead these days.

[Axllover]

I heard that Gilby called Axl a dictator in an interview...so Axl kicked him out...im not sure its true, but thats what i heard...

[chineseblues]

Gilby didn't put up with Axl's shit eiter, only Dizzy did. when he played with Axl in 2000 Gilby saw Axl sitting in the crowd and asked him to join on Dead Flowers. Gilby didn't leave in an arguement so that was fine. Dizzy however is a different story...

I remember in the early days of the Project that Gilby was asked but he said they already had a lead guitarist. Basically he wants to play lead these days.

neither did Dizzy, cause Dizzy is still in the band.......

[IzzyDutch]

Well, what do you expect after all the ass kissing

[erose]

Well, what do you expect after all the ass kissing

what makes you think dizzy is such an asskisser?

[jgfnsr]

Well, what do you expect after all the ass kissing

what makes you think dizzy is such an asskisser?

I don't know if "asskissing" is the word but I'd say his loyalty to Axl is based on -

1) a steady paycheck
2) artistic involvment and belief in current Guns N' Roses

[erose]

Well, what do you expect after all the ass kissing

what makes you think dizzy is such an asskisser?

I don't know if "asskissing" is the word but I'd say his loyalty to Axl is based on -

1) a steady paycheck
2) artistic involvment and belief in current Guns N' Roses

i would also like to ad:

3) a long lasting friendship, that has lived throught the storm.
3) the urge to rock the fuck out with the most dangerous band in the world!

the list goes on...

[IzzyDutch]

"the urge to rock the fuck out with the most dangerous band in the world!"

the most dangerous band in the world is no longer

[makemyday]

'Why Gilby was fired' is just another mystery in the Gn'r world and something that I still don't understand.
If I remember correctly in 2000 when Axl joined Gilby on stage, Gilby said that the only reason was that he get much less money than the other members.
Also he in an older interview he said that if he should choose between Guns and his solo-career he would choose solo.
N' back in '94/95 Axl said something like that they wanna play with Gilby (on stage), but they're not sure they want to write song with him.
Probably he felt that it was over 'cause nobody from the Gn'R camp called him.

[Mikkamakka]

Probably he felt that it was over 'cause nobody from the Gn'R camp called him.

He recorded Snakepit's first album, It's Five O'Clock Somewhere, with Slash and Matt. He co-wrote a lot of songs, so the Axl quote (I don't know if Axl has ever said something like this) 'We aren't sure if we wanna write songs with him' is not really correct.

[jarmo]

I think Axl might have said that before the Snakepit thing happened. Probably when Gilby joined the band.

Back in 1991, he was just there to make sure GN'R could tour. Talking about songwriting at that point was pointless.



/jarmo

[makemyday]

Probably he felt that it was over 'cause nobody from the Gn'R camp called him.

He recorded Snakepit's first album, It's Five O'Clock Somewhere, with Slash and Matt. He co-wrote a lot of songs, so the Axl quote (I don't know if Axl has ever said something like this) 'We aren't sure if we wanna write songs with him' is not really correct.

I think 'we' could be easily replaced with 'I' if we talk about Axl.

[Mikkamakka]

Probably he felt that it was over 'cause nobody from the Gn'R camp called him.

He recorded Snakepit's first album, It's Five O'Clock Somewhere, with Slash and Matt. He co-wrote a lot of songs, so the Axl quote (I don't know if Axl has ever said something like this) 'We aren't sure if we wanna write songs with him' is not really correct.

I think 'we' could be easily replaced with 'I' if we talk about Axl.

I'm afraid you are right

[usurper]

what makes you think dizzy is such an asskisser?

Come on, the guy is probably very nice but he never said anything negative about Axl, he never quit, he never fought with him and hes been in the band longer than Slash was, diagnosis: Asskisser

[esox]

gilby isn't a lead gitarist at all imo. even on his solo tours he had other guitarist playing lead. on his live album tracii guns is playing lead. i think gilby isn't the guy to stand in the spotlight (just like izzy).

[Pike Pounder]

Sure he's not a big guitarist- but he isn't really known for his guitar work. He's mainly known for Guns n' Roses obviously but he's a great solo artist in my personall opinion... one of my favourites in fact. He's got a great voice and catchy songs, and alot of the guitar riff's are pretty good and fun to learn too!

--Mike