Ides of March

[FlashFlood]

i was looking at the chinese democracy page on the main site,  and i saw that Ides of March was a rumored title, but i do not remember hearing anything about it. can somebody tell me where this came from?

[Eazy E]

Wasn't that a raoxsle title??

[The Estranged MrFlashbax]

isnt there already a song called Ides of March by Iron Maiden or something? its an instrumental..

[Izzy]

i was looking at the chinese democracy page on the main site,? and i saw that Ides of March was a rumored title, but i do not remember hearing anything about it. can somebody tell me where this came from?

The only names we know for sure are the ones they played on tour and the ones Marco Beltrammi (sp?) put his orchestra bits on - all these 'other' titles should just be ignored.

[madagas]

wrong...Axl played David Wild from ROLLING STONE "Catcher in the Rye, IRS, There Was A Time, and an instrumental version of Oklahoma". He actually played 12 songs for him but those were the only titles used.

[Izzy]

wrong...Axl played David Wild from ROLLING STONE "Catcher in the Rye, IRS, There Was A Time, and an instrumental version of Oklahoma". He actually played 12 songs for him but those were the only titles used.

Fair enough but:

Richard Fortus had never heard of a song called IRS (good one Piazza!)

Oklahoma is apparently Rhiayd

[Eeebs]

wrong...Axl played David Wild from ROLLING STONE "Catcher in the Rye, IRS, There Was A Time, and an instrumental version of Oklahoma". He actually played 12 songs for him but those were the only titles used.

Fair enough but:

Richard Fortus had never heard of a song called IRS (good one Piazza!)

Oklahoma is apparently Rhiayd

I read somewhere (on the internet, of course ) in a recent interview that Dizzy Reed talks about how IRS was leaked to Piazza... so who knows what is going on for sure.  Maybe the song exists, maybe it doesn't... maybe it is the correct name, maybe it just was a working title... yeah, way too many maybes!

[DazRose85]

wrong...Axl played David Wild from ROLLING STONE "Catcher in the Rye, IRS, There Was A Time, and an instrumental version of Oklahoma". He actually played 12 songs for him but those were the only titles used.

Fair enough but:

Richard Fortus had never heard of a song called IRS (good one Piazza!)

Oklahoma is apparently Rhiayd

Perhaps IRS was a song which Paul Tobias played rythum guitar, and therefore Fortus is unfamilar with it?

[madagas]

Drop the IRS thing-it exists-period-end of discussion. Fortus wasn't even in the band when Axl played these songs to Wild (dec 1999).

[Jizzo]

Dizzy said it did, who knows maybe Piazza played a version with tobias on guitar that was scrapped before fortus joined

[FlashFlood]

fuck irs this is about my topic. on the chinese democracy page of this website, it lists ides of march apart from the fake titles like cock-a-roach soup and this i love and all of those other ones. maybe jarmo can enlighten me. its his website

[Neemo]

fuck irs this is about my topic. on the chinese democracy page of this website, it lists ides of march apart from the fake titles like cock-a-roach soup and this i love and all of those other ones. maybe jarmo can enlighten me. its his website

Settle down Beavis!! holy crap! My topic whaah!  If you bring up a rumored title people are bound to talk about other rumored titles. Jeez!

[Mysteron]

'Ides of March' was mentioned by Dave Dominguez, the very first producer/engineer of CD

[dave-gnfnr2k]

wrong...Axl played David Wild from ROLLING STONE "Catcher in the Rye, IRS, There Was A Time, and an instrumental version of Oklahoma". He actually played 12 songs for him but those were the only titles used.

Fair enough but:

Richard Fortus had never heard of a song called IRS (good one Piazza!)

Oklahoma is apparently Rhiayd

No its NOT, they have nothing to do with each other.
The only reason people think this is because a person that went to the HOB show said the set list had oklahoma when in fact axl even said the song was called riyadh, this is just like the misinformation from the person that said CITR is going to be on the third album, again that never said, axl said CITR is planned for the 3rd single.

[FlashFlood]

'Ides of March' was mentioned by Dave Dominguez, the very first producer/engineer of CD

thank you very very much.

[Jizzo]

fuck irs this is about my topic. on the chinese democracy page of this website, it lists ides of march apart from the fake titles like cock-a-roach soup and this i love and all of those other ones. maybe jarmo can enlighten me. its his website

Cool it dude, the second you post it becomes the boards topic to discuss

[F*ck Fear]

wrong...Axl played David Wild from ROLLING STONE "Catcher in the Rye, IRS, There Was A Time, and an instrumental version of Oklahoma". He actually played 12 songs for him but those were the only titles used.

Fair enough but:

Richard Fortus had never heard of a song called IRS (good one Piazza!)

Oklahoma is apparently Rhiayd

I read somewhere (on the internet, of course ) in a recent interview that Dizzy Reed talks about how IRS was leaked to Piazza... so who knows what is going on for sure.? Maybe the song exists, maybe it doesn't... maybe it is the correct name, maybe it just was a working title... yeah, way too many maybes!

I read that interview as well.

[ccorn69]

fuck irs this is about my topic. on the chinese democracy page of this website, it lists ides of march apart from the fake titles like cock-a-roach soup and this i love and all of those other ones. maybe jarmo can enlighten me. its his website

Cool it dude, the second you post it becomes the boards topic to discuss

exactly you tell him Jizzo

in the end we dont know all the songs, which ones are real and which ones are fake until the band, management, axl confirm or deny that such a song exist

[FlashFlood]

ya well its fuckin annoying when i cant get a fucking answer because other people are talking about obscure shit. and i believe its for the board to discuss the topic, not side topics. so you guys cool it.

[madagas]

Documented song titles by people who have worked on the record or heard the actual songs (for example Prostitute was a rumored working title by Spin-that does not count): IRS, Catcher in the Rye, TWAT, Oklahoma, OMG, The Blues, This I Love, Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, Silk Worms, Rhiad and the Bedouins, Seven, The General, Thyme, and Leave Me Alone.

[parisrocks]

Why am I just hearing this as a song title? 

How long has anyone else known this?

-my source is a interview w/ Dave Dominguez from Splat

[jarmo]

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=9617.0

Posted here over a year ago.



/jarmo

[axlsfriend]

i thought this i love was suppose to be some master piece and the best song axl ever wrote.  I read something here the other day that said it was suppose to be in a robin williams movie and they cut it, is this true?

[estranged.1098]

The Story

After a week of investigating Sp1at.com can exclusively reveal that the unreleased Guns n Roses "This I Love" was intended to feature in the 1998 film "What Dreams May Come".

Sp1at was originally alerted to the connection between Axl Rose and the film when Dave Dominguez, a producer on the Chinese Democracy album in the late 90s, told Sp1at that the song was intended for "some Robin Williams film". Sp1at's intrepid reporter followed this up and soon contacted the office of Dawn Soler, the musical supervisor for the film "What Dreams May Come".

Dawn Soler speaking exclusively to Sp1at on the subject said "Oh boy that was a long time ago" and admitted she was unable to recollect how the oppourtunity to work with Axl Rose came along in the first place. She did assure us that Axl was "really into the film" and even suggested that he "wrote the song for it". However, Sp1at does not believe this to be the case as the song was originally mentioned in 1994 by Axl Rose himself when he described "This I Love" as "the heaviest thing I've ever done", fans of the band have often speculated that the song was about Dylan, the son of Stephanie Seymour.

As it turned out the song did not make the final cut of the film, although Dawn Soler insists it was not down to her, she said "the director was a pill and didn't get how cool it would be". Sp1at has contacted the agent of Vincent Ward, the "pill" of a director, on the issue but they have yet to reply.

Sp1at went back to Dominguez to see if he had any further comments on the song and he went on to say that "it was definitely a love song...very heartfelt, it would have fit perfectly with "What Dreams May Come"" before adding that the song was "5 minutes or more" in length.

It is unlikely that the song remains in the same form as it did in 1998. In the past Sp1at has spoken to Howard Karp, who worked on the song in 2000, he told us that it was just him and Axl in the studio at the time and that the song was a "simple, piano ballad". Although it is known that Bryan "Brain" Mantia has also recorded on the song since joining the band in 2001.

Whether we'll ever get to hear the song "This I Love" is debateable, Guns n Roses "Chinese Democracy" album has been in the works for around 7 years but is at present set for a "mid-year release" according to an industry source. However had Mr. Ward followed the advice of Dawn Soler, then "This I Love" would be a 7 year old track rather than another myth in the world of Guns n Roses.

http://www.sp1at.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=447

[AxlRocks]

I've found all kinds of rumored tracks. I know some of these are names for other tracks but who knows what they mught be called on CD. Sorry for huge post.

Catcher in the Rye
Chinese Democracy
Closing in on You
Cock-a-roach Soup
Cut That

General

Hearts get Killed

Ides of March
IRS

Friend or Foe

Leave Me Alone
Livin' Loud

Madagascar
My Fellow Americans

Never had it
No Love Remains

Preechin n' Screechin
Prostitute

Oh My God
Oklahoma

Rhiad and the Bedouins

Seven
Somewhere Over The Rainbow
Silkworms
Something Always
Somethin' for Nothin'
Stardust Tears
Strange Disease
Strip Bar
Suckerpunched

The Blues
The Beaten Path
The Hidden Path
The Powers That Be
There was a Time
This I Love
This Life
Thyme
Today Tomorrow Forever

[thelostrose]

Cut That
Livin' Loud
My Fellow Americans
Never had it
No Love Remains
Preechin n' Screechin
Somewhere Over The Rainbow
Something Always
Somethin' for Nothin'
Stardust Tears
Strange Disease
Strip Bar
The Beaten Path
The Hidden Path
The Powers That Be
This Life

i never heard of those titles before. where'd you find them
Somewhere Over The Rainbow - *g* why is this title so familiar? 
Stardust Tears - some guy invented this on the fake pro-cd some weeks ago.

[WARose]

Cut That
Livin' Loud
My Fellow Americans
Never had it
No Love Remains
Preechin n' Screechin
Somewhere Over The Rainbow
Something Always
Somethin' for Nothin'
Stardust Tears
Strange Disease
Strip Bar
The Beaten Path
The Hidden Path
The Powers That Be
This Life

i never heard of those titles before. where'd you find them
Somewhere Over The Rainbow - *g* why is this title so familiar? 
Stardust Tears - some guy invented this on the fake pro-cd some weeks ago.

Strip Bar is a fake title for the Illusions Era demo "Just another Sunday", "my fellow americans", "livin`loud", "the powers that be" and Somewhere over the Rainbow are fake songs of kazaa and emule, Stardust Tears is from that faked promo-cd and some of the others are from a faked album cover which you can also download with kazaa and emule.

[Nytunz]

Wasnt there a rumourd song called Zip It also?

[neko]

so in the story that estranged.1098 posted they said that the song was given for the movie but they decide to not use it at the end? so we could have heard the song but one guy decide that it wasnt cool , i cant belive it .

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I think its BS because we would have heard of this before now, this would have been big news back when it was being talked about. Just like at T2 and End of Days, we heard MONTHS before it was set in stone a new gnr song was being used in the movie, I find it odd we never heard of This I love being used in that movie when they were throwing it around.

[gigger]

I think its BS because we would have heard of this before now, this would have been big news back when it was being talked about. Just like at T2 and End of Days, we heard MONTHS before it was set in stone a new gnr song was being used in the movie, I find it odd we never heard of This I love being used in that movie when they were throwing it around.

I find it hard to believe that a fairly well respected engineer on the album and a music supervisor would both lie about it, plus it seems bizarre that their stories correlate perfectly when they have never had contact with one another!

I could of course prove that it's true by posting the contact details of both and letting everyone else look into it themselves or by posting screenshots of the emails where they talk about it but I feel no need to do so. Those who want to believe can believe and those who want to be cynical can remain cynical. 

The fact that you think I'm willing to make such wild claims seems bizarre to me. Especially as I sent it to just about every big news organisation (saying they were welcome to use it as an article but more as a point of interest) in Europe and the United States.

Buy hey, I made it all up didn't I? And no doubt Dave Dominguez, Dawn Soler, Vincent Ward and Guns management will all be in touch with me soon asking me to remove this complete "bullshit"...

[WARose]

this is only the front cover i couldn`t find the back :