How good is CD going to be? Better than AFD and/or UYI?

[Mr. Sinister]

I know some (if not most) GNR fans hold the UYI albums highly, but I don't number myself among them. In fact, I pretty much despise all of UYI I as a whole - It's a sloppy, boring, and overlong record.

I love II though, even though it has it's patchy moments (GITR, Shotgun Blues, So Fine).

For me, personally, I already like the Chinese Democracy material more than either UYI record - It's more ambitious, but it's also more focused and exciting. There's so much energy and creativity in these songs, but they don't feel overcooked like the UYI material.

As for it being better than AFD... well, that's a huge challenge. It's possible, but I'm not expecting it to top AFD.

[Axl8302]

just heard twat, if it's all as good as this it'l be better than anything they've done before.

[Rocket_queen125]

I'm a very well paid mortgage broker my friend. So well paid in fact I alread bought 10 tickets to Ministry(my other favorite band who is touring this summer) for all my friends.

I have no problem shelling out $150.00 for 10 copys of C.D and spreading the wealth to others... I want Mr. Rose to keep making music and I will play my part helping him sell records.

woo hoo why do people do this? i mean like act like there not intentionally trying to brag about there money idk  I guess i hate it cuz my cuzzin always like does it and i just want to tell her ppl wont like you cause you have money

[GNFNR_UK]

Whats with this Guitars need a lot of work stuff??

On these new songs the guitars kick ass! The guitar work on TWAT in particular is some of the best I have heard in years! Makes the hairs stand up on my neck!

[Elrothiel]

Well if its true that 80-90% of the rock community hates Axl, and because of Kurt Cobain, then they all deserve a huge big kick in the nuts. And I hate to say this, because I always say you should respect the dead, but Kurt Cobain was a fucking asshole who HATED Axl even though he didn't even know him.
Everyone LOVES Kurt because he was clever enough to shoot himself in the head, and BECAUSE they LOVE Kurt, they hate Axl.

AND THAT IS SOME FUCKED UP SHIT RIGHT THERE!!!

People should like who THEY like, and hate who THEY hate!
EG: Kurt fans should quit hating on Axl simply because Kurt hated him. It proves they are ALL fucked up people with sheeplike tendencies. This goes the other way too. Axl fans should quit hating on Kurt because Axl hated Kurt. That ain't even true!! Axl didn't hate Kurt! He didn't even know Kurt hated him!

I have had this debate many a time. KURT STARTED THAT RIVALRY!! NOT AXL!!!
Those emo fuckers who worship Kurt because he was "emotional" need to wake up, take their heads outta their asses, and SMELL THE GODDAMN COFFEE!! If the UYIs and Lies (and even AFD to a certain extent) aren't emotional, I don't know what is! People only thought Kurt was emotional because he dressed like a hobo, was a heroin addict, had a hard childhood, and wrote incredibly cryptic lyrics! And those same people thought Axl WASN'T emotional because he dressed WELL, they didn't even bother reading about his childhood, and was notoriously controversial. Oh, and wrote lyrics that weren't a bunch of weird sounding words put together.



I think before anyone hates on anyone, they need to do some fuckin' research first, to find out if its worth it... because really, if you hate on someone and say things about them that aren't true... you're gunna look fuckin' stupid and you deserve a kick in the nuts!

Yes I do pity Kurt. He had serious problems, which weren't exactly helped by that stupid bitch Courtney Love, nor his bloody stupid addiction to heroin. The silly cunt shoulda stayed in rehab!! Then perhaps he wouldn'ta blown his head off. AND THEN he wouldn'ta been so fucking overrated! Yes Nirvana were good, but they weren't anything to be written about as extensively and as overrated as they are!

Umm... *reads above stuff in post*

Okie I'll shut up now before I end up repeating and contradicting myself!

[misterID]

A lot of people haven't been waiting for this album, so it really doesn't have to be a masterpiece to be successful. All he needs is some good music that can get interest on the radio and with songs like Better I don't doubt he can do it...

*rubs skynardgirls shoulders* calm down... You're scaring the children, grasshoppa...

[Mr. Oral Sex]

I agree with what the majority of the people have said in this thread:

Why the fuck do you care who doesnt like Axl (Who really knows Axl? Less than 20 people REALLY know Axl I'd bet)? I love Axl. I love his music, his songwriting, his passion and his amazing freshness to the whole rock world that he provides. I enjoy it, and if the next Joe Schmoe doesnt, fuck him, I dont need his opinion around me.

[Elrothiel]

A lot of people haven't been waiting for this album, so it really doesn't have to be a masterpiece to be successful. All he needs is some good music that can get interest on the radio and with songs like Better I don't doudt he can do it...

*rubs skynardgirls shoulders* calm down... You're scaring the children, grasshoppa...

I don't doubt he can do it either... ChiDem will rock the whole world! I know it!
And thanks... Sorry... I think I just got a bit overexcited there! I do that sometimes... I have a tendency to try and get ALL my points across all at once... and I usually end up repeating myself.

[holtzmn73]

i would like to know  exactly when it was that axl became to most hated artist in Rock in Roll. Was it in the early 90's when kurt kobain announced how much he hated axl?? i think Curt has a lot to do with this shit.  People love slash but hate axl    i don't get it .                       

It has alot to do with Axl showing up hours late to shows or not showing up at all.

[Falcon]

If you really believe this stuff, could you tell us who the second gunman on the grassy knoll was?

Dick Cheney

Nomination for funniest thing ever posted in these parts

[Axlfreek]

I think axl is going to need to have a few anthoms in this cd? that appeal to the non hard rock listening public? for him to be successful in his comeback.? ?If Axl is depending on the rock community alone? for his success? than he is doomed.? the new songs are really good? but not even close to what is needed for him to survive this comeback(maybe madagascar could be one). I would say that around? 85-90% of the rock listening public? hate axl with a passion.? i have been visiting non gnr rock message boards? and they all for the most part are saying that these new songs suck? because of how they feel about axl .? I think if axl wrote another "stairway to heaven"? they would still say it sucks.? i would like to know? exactly when it was that axl became to most hated artist in Rock in Roll. Was it in the early 90's when kurt kobain announced how much he hated axl?? i think Curt has a lot to do with this shit.? People love slash but hate axl? ? i don't get it .? ?I guess? we will find out when Chinese Democracy is released , it is just too bad? that axl? has to begin his journey? at a negative instead? of zero.? ?

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? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? P.S? ?axl's songwriting is brilliant? but the guitars need alot of work in these new songs? ? ?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? hopefully they will be? on the final cut.

 

[Axl8302]

I think axl is going to need to have a few anthoms in this cd? that appeal to the non hard rock listening public? for him to be successful in his comeback.? ?If Axl is depending on the rock community alone? for his success? than he is doomed.? the new songs are really good? but not even close to what is needed for him to survive this comeback(maybe madagascar could be one). I would say that around? 85-90% of the rock listening public? hate axl with a passion.? i have been visiting non gnr rock message boards? and they all for the most part are saying that these new songs suck? because of how they feel about axl .? I think if axl wrote another "stairway to heaven"? they would still say it sucks.? i would like to know? exactly when it was that axl became to most hated artist in Rock in Roll. Was it in the early 90's when kurt kobain announced how much he hated axl?? i think Curt has a lot to do with this shit.? People love slash but hate axl? ? i don't get it .? ?I guess? we will find out when Chinese Democracy is released , it is just too bad? that axl? has to begin his journey? at a negative instead? of zero.? ?


i'm sure uncle axl's got it covered
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? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? P.S? ?axl's songwriting is brilliant? but the guitars need alot of work in these new songs? ? ?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? hopefully they will be? on the final cut.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Cmon dude! This is just the media conspiracy propaganda. Been there done that. It never existed. If you really believe this stuff, could you tell us who the second gunman on the grassy knoll was?

Funny James and agreed...It's impossible to even guestimate percentages are going to be when CD comes and how many people he will win over or not, or even how many dislike him and the new band.

[destroier]

Axl doesn't have to do anything. He's rich.

[The Dog]

Cmon dude! This is just the media conspiracy propaganda. Been there done that. It never existed. If you really believe this stuff, could you tell us who the second gunman on the grassy knoll was?

Funny James and agreed...It's impossible to even guestimate percentages are going to be when CD comes and how many people he will win over or not, or even how many dislike him and the new band.

I think there is some truth to the original post....I wouldn't go so far as to put percentages on it, but I feel there is definitely some anti-Axl sentiment out there:  I think hes blamed for breaking up the original line up, he has the cancelled shows and/or late starts to shows, waiting forever to hear new music etc....
personally, I love all that stuff (but glad I never had to deal with any of it hehe) and to me thats what makes Axl, Axl.  Thats rock n roll.
I've said it a few times before...the success of CD in terms of album sales and what not will be determined by the critics. And if they don't like it, the fans will have to make this record number 1 by calling radio stations/mtv etc....

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Cmon dude! This is just the media conspiracy propaganda. Been there done that. It never existed. If you really believe this stuff, could you tell us who the second gunman on the grassy knoll was?

Funny James and agreed...It's impossible to even guestimate percentages are going to be when CD comes and how many people he will win over or not, or even how many dislike him and the new band.

I think there is some truth to the original post....I wouldn't go so far as to put percentages on it, but I feel there is definitely some anti-Axl sentiment out there:? I think hes blamed for breaking up the original line up, he has the cancelled shows and/or late starts to shows, waiting forever to hear new music etc....
personally, I love all that stuff (but glad I never had to deal with any of it hehe) and to me thats what makes Axl, Axl.? Thats rock n roll.
I've said it a few times before...the success of CD in terms of album sales and what not will be determined by the critics. And if they don't like it, the fans will have to make this record number 1 by calling radio stations/mtv etc....

There are definitely Axl haters out there, alot of them, I just think that this can't be predicted.  The success of CD will go 3 ways...GREAT, BAD or Medioca.   I guess we shall see.

Oh BTW...I agree that in the 80's and 90's Axl being tumultuous definitely made him, him and was intriguing.... to me anyway, even now all this time waiting...sorta wouldn't be him..I remember in an old interview he did with kurt loder right at the kickoff of the UYI tour...he referred to himself as a brat...that he is..

[Elrothiel]

...he referred to himself as a brat...that he is..

And that's one of the many reasons why we love the man!

[jmapelian]

Personally, I don't think you can compare the demo's that were leaked to the finished products of AFD or UYI.

If i did compare them, I will say I like the classic songs better than the new material.

I had friends listen to the new material that are not die-hard fans and it was very unanimous that the classic GnR was 1000 times better than the new material and they went on to say  that VR's music was better as well. 

The feedback was Axl's voice was annoying and the music sucked.

I myself thought there was some potential to the new stuff.  I just don't think this album will be as big as many other people who post on this and other related boards think it will.

[Communist China]

Appetite is, in my mind, the best rock album ever made. I doubt Democracy can come too close to that, but it has a shot at UYI. Still, think of what UYI had (ex. Don't Cry, November Rain, Civil War, YCBM)...it's gonna be a really awesome record if it's as good as UYI, but I think it will come up just a little shy of that.

[jmapelian]

I don't think it will be as good as either from what I've heard