Earlier versions of I.R.S. and Twat Discussion

[duga]

I like it.  (Well, IRS anyway - haven't listened to T.W.A.T. yet)

That's one thing I've always found cool about demos - watching how songs 'evolve'.. In some cases, the demos might be better than the final versions, even.  (Faith No More: The Perfect Crime is a great example of this, in my opinion)

-darknemus

Or Don't Cry maybe.

[Tomorrows]

Interesting stuff FI!

I quite like both but the Feb leaks (the newer versions) are appropriately more honed and refined.

Man, if this is representative of CD circa 1999, then they had a damn good album happening back then.

[Neemo]

I would say pre-buckethead....post-buckethead is too recent

good stuff, but i prefer the shredding solos

[shaun]

There was a Time: The lyrics are clearer. I think i prefer the more overproduced sounding version i already have, as it has more going on and better guitar work.

IRS: Not sure. Def sounds less finished than the older version i already have.


These leaks offer nothing new. I'll stick with the original leaks thanks 
All this leaking of songs we already have don't count. Looking forward to new songs 

[Red Sox Fan]

i like the longer ending of twat from the first leak we got personally, but this shorter version will probably appeal to a lot of people i know who thought the original demo was good, but just went on for too long

[daveyjc]

yeh im loving the new shredding more than fincks solos

buckethead was definetely an influence on axl for him to get ron, and im still undecided in thinking if bucketheads parts will still be on it or not, the illusions era had izzy and i think adlers parts on it after they left so i dont know and theres alot of confusion about when ron joined like with axl saying like a few weeks ago and the emails from ron that fans have got back

[speak_truth]

It's the same Vocals on all I.R.S demos. Which means axl just like to record himself ones and just changes the other stuff.

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

I like the first ones we got better...they sound way more complete. These are good but you can tell they are just in the early stages. I cant wait for the actual album versions though. I'm loving the way TWAT is now, like they have been playing it live. I.R.S and Better sound almost identical to the leaks.

[sic.]

I was just informed that these came from a disc with 12 tracks (almost full album) Only 1999/2000 material.

Jim Barber was pretty ecstatic about these tracks.

The Robin Finck/Josh Freese/Tommy Stinson/Billy Howerdel/Dizzy Reed version of the album that existed in 1998 was pretty incredible. It still sounded like GNR but there were elements of Zeppelin, Nine Inch Nails and Pink Floyd mixed in. If Axl had recorded vocals, it would have been an absolutely contemporary record in 1999.

But what's the story with the vocals? That's pretty damn good proof Axl had recorded vocal tracks at the time. 

edit: If not in '98, than at least the following year.

[Rune]

Have anyone tried mixing these tracks with with the older leaks? Like putting the vocals on the 'new' T.W.A.T on the 'older' one. I think that would have been cool if anyone could do this...

[Rune]

I was just informed that these came from a disc with 12 tracks (almost full album) Only 1999/2000 material.

Jim Barber was pretty ecstatic about these tracks.

The Robin Finck/Josh Freese/Tommy Stinson/Billy Howerdel/Dizzy Reed version of the album that existed in 1998 was pretty incredible. It still sounded like GNR but there were elements of Zeppelin, Nine Inch Nails and Pink Floyd mixed in. If Axl had recorded vocals, it would have been an absolutely contemporary record in 1999.

But what's the story with the vocals? That's pretty damn good proof Axl had recorded vocal tracks at the time. 

edit: If not in '98, than at least the following year.

Am I the only one who thinks the delay of CD has something to do with Axl struggeling to get back to his old voice?

[DazRose85]

Have anyone tried mixing these tracks with with the older leaks? Like putting the vocals on the 'new' T.W.A.T on the 'older' one. I think that would have been cool if anyone could do this...

The vocals are exactly the same on both IRS and TWATS respective versions.

[alexh0618]

On IRS the guitar solo is much better than the Buckethead one (too fast, no feeling, no soul etc.... well just Buckethead beeing Buckethead).
However exept that, I really prefer the versions we already had, by far. They have more power and they are better mixed.

Why are you so against BH. I personally love his solo in IRS, it makes the song great.

[SOH]

My review:

This new old TWAT is better than the old new TWAT. I never really liked the first one, too boring. I really tried to like it, but never really got into it. I still don't really like it, but it's better.

The new old IRS is only good for deciphering lyrics more clearly.

[Bill 213]

Yeah I like this version of TWAT better.....RazZ.......as before, I stated if these surfaced and where different, than I would almost 100% know for sure that Checkmate (or whatever the real song is) is real.....and I 100% believe it is now.   Althought I never technically denied they weren't real (i just blamed the shitty stream for not being able to decipher properly)....my words taste like porkchops.

[ARC]

I prefer our previous "IRS". Bucked makes it. "TWAT" is pretty much the same.

At least we have real drums! 

[Axl8302]

I.R.S Sounds really cool, axl's alot louder in the mix.. it's nice to have both versions.

[Olorin]

So i listened to them driving in my car.

Kept to the speed limit so they are not too great I'm afraid, or I would have been speeding.

Good for hearing the lyrics.

[elevendayempire]

Is it just me, or have they added Robin's 'big' solo from the '99 version of IRS (the one that was replaced by Bucket's shred) to the live version? It's now used as a bridge solo...

SG

[FortusGNR21]

I prefer the 99 version of IRS but think I prefer the Bucket stuff on Twat!!