Your opinion...release CD with BH or have BF on the album?

[johnnythunders24]

Your opinion...release CD with BH or have BF on the album?

Just kind of wondering what everybody thinks...I really couldn't make up my mind...and no saying "release two versions."

[fridayfan13]

Your opinion...release CD with BH or have BF on the album?

Just kind of wondering what everybody thinks...I really couldn't make up my mind...and no saying "release two versions."

dont give axl ideas, just release it with Buckets parts

[killingvector]

I wouldn't be shocked if many of the Bucket parts were replaced by Finck and Fortus. Not shocked at all.

[axlsalinger]

Buckethead.

Next question.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Buckethead.  His parts from what we've heard kick ass and are highlights.  Buckethead's TWAT outro is up there with the greatest GNR solos in history IMO

[Mobenrad]

Buckethead.

He's got a bucket. On his HEAD.

Frozen Brains Tell No Tales.

[mega_music]

I really dont care, just release the damn albumn!

[Mr.Intensity]

Why would you delete Buckethead's parts, Axl obviously paid him for a reason, and deleting his parts would only be an action out of spite. Axl should let Buckethead be on the album.

[estranged2006]

release it...

if u try to change or re write the album everytime a member quits or is fired it will never come out.  Axl has a very hard time to release or make any music already. no need to worry about the replacement guiter players.

[nesquick]

I don't know how many of you went to see the recent shows in Europe. But once you see a show, you just realize Richard Fortus is the only real guitar genius of this band since the Slash's departure in 1996.

So now in 2006 I've just one thing to say: Bucket who??

[estranged2006]

I don\'t know how many of you went to see the recent shows in Europe. But once you see it, you just realize Richard Fortus is the only real guitar genius of this band since the Slash\'s departure in 1996.

So now in 2006 I\'ve just one thing to say: Bucket who?

thats what i always thought. i think richard is the only one whos as cool as slash and izzy and gilby.  the other 3 are stupid.

[misterID]

I'll take Buckethead on all three albums. It burns my ass that we'll never get to hear how Bucket's playing would evolve with this band 

I think my opinion would change if I heard a song that Ron wrote for the band, though. I'm waiting to be blown away by Ron like I was with Bucket's TWAT outro.

[Mattattack]

Bucket was a part of the whole creative process and deserves to be on the album. That would sadden me if Axl erased his brilliant solos on IRS and TWAT. Who knows if Bumble will even fit in with Axl's recording process on any future albums. Bumble might not even have songwriting chemistry with Axl. Gilby was fired because he didn't fit in with Axl's creative direction and it could be the same case with Bumble. I hope down the line that Bucket will have an Izzy type situation where he shows up and plays his solo on TWAT with the boys.

[Cowboy Buddha]

Bucket then if they release more albums then Bumble

[NicoRourke]

I think Ron answered that already hasn't he ?

Bucket's parts will be on CD he said.

I hope they ain't gonna re-re-re-re-re-re-re-record again, release the damn thing

[duga]

Buckethead.? His parts from what we've heard kick ass and are highlights.? Buckethead's TWAT outro is up there with the greatest GNR solos in history IMO

Agree 

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Call bucket a guest musician and put out the album. let bumble earn his tenure and wait till album 2 to record ron.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I am sure most of BHs parts have been redone by Richard or Robin
I am sure BH will still be on this album but I dont think he will have as much as he would have if he didnt leave the band

[elevendayempire]

Re-record with Ron Thal. It's an insult to him to have him up there playing in GN'R and not letting him have any creative input into the album.

SG

[sic.]

^Like Gilby was insulted? A touring member is just that. He knew what he signed on for.

[AxlRose4eva1]

I don\'t know how many of you went to see the recent shows in Europe. But once you see it, you just realize Richard Fortus is the only real guitar genius of this band since the Slash\'s departure in 1996.

So now in 2006 I\'ve just one thing to say: Bucket who?

thats what i always thought. i think richard is the only one whos as cool as slash and izzy and gilby.? the other 3 are stupid.

I really dont understand the FInk hatred, hes been nothing but loyal and self sacraficing to this band and I feel his parts on Better are some of the best guitar parts in GNR history.  I mean he left millions of adoring fans to take a chance with Axl and maybe that is what makes him stupid, but hes a great guitarist and a very cool guy.

[faldor]

Whatever way gets it out faster

[COMAMOTIVE]

He's going to keep Bucket's parts.  BF is around to play the gigs.  I don't think Axl was really shocked that Bucket left before everything panned out, he got what he wanted out of him, and now we move on.

[zakas80]

I dont think Buckerthead will have much contribution to CD.  Maybe two or three tracks at most.  Just look at the leaks, the only one that he was on was IRS, which in my opinion is the weakest of the four.  As far as Bumble goes I think he will be maybe on the one newer track that they were supposedly working on around the time of the eddie trunk interview/hammerstein shows.

[chinesedemocracy05]

Leave Buckethead's parts, Buckethead is an ?absolute genius and a madman on the guitar. Buckethead in my opinion is the best thing that ever happened to Axl after Slash left, and Bucket is my favorite guitarist.

In no way am i dissing Thal, hes great and he's a much cooler guy then bucket, but just judging from the demos, and comparing them to the live shows, Buckethead is a better guitar player.

I really can't wait to hear Bucket ripping on CD.

I dont think Buckerthead will have much contribution to CD. Maybe two or three tracks at most. Just look at the leaks, the only one that he was on was IRS, which in my opinion is the weakest of the four. As far as Bumble goes I think he will be maybe on the one newer track that they were supposedly working on around the time of the eddie trunk interview/hammerstein shows.

Are you joking? Buckethead is most definately on Better, he makes the song! and im guessing Hes on twat too, since he was in the band then .

[zakas80]

Leave Buckethead's parts, Buckethead is an ?absolute genius and a madman on the guitar. Buckethead in my opinion is the best thing that ever happened to Axl after Slash left, and Bucket is my favorite guitarist.

In no way am i dissing Thal, hes great and he's a much cooler guy then bucket, but just judging from the demos, and comparing them to the live shows, Buckethead is a better guitar player.

I really can't wait to hear Bucket ripping on CD.

I dont think Buckerthead will have much contribution to CD. Maybe two or three tracks at most. Just look at the leaks, the only one that he was on was IRS, which in my opinion is the weakest of the four. As far as Bumble goes I think he will be maybe on the one newer track that they were supposedly working on around the time of the eddie trunk interview/hammerstein shows.

Are you joking? Buckethead is most definately on Better, he makes the song! and im guessing Hes on twat too, since he was in the band then .

No its just Robin & Richard on Better actually & TWAT is Robin & Huge.  Axl recently even commented at one of the shows that Better is Robins song! So dont make it like you know what you're talking about because you don't!

[Buddha_Master]

IRS kicks your moms balls in. The song is masterpiece theater. Can't get enough of it.

[Aquila]

Leave Buckethead's parts, Buckethead is an  absolute genius and a madman on the guitar. Buckethead in my opinion is the best thing that ever happened to Axl after Slash left, and Bucket is my favorite guitarist.

In no way am i dissing Thal, hes great and he's a much cooler guy then bucket, but just judging from the demos, and comparing them to the live shows, Buckethead is a better guitar player.

I really can't wait to hear Bucket ripping on CD.

I dont think Buckerthead will have much contribution to CD. Maybe two or three tracks at most. Just look at the leaks, the only one that he was on was IRS, which in my opinion is the weakest of the four. As far as Bumble goes I think he will be maybe on the one newer track that they were supposedly working on around the time of the eddie trunk interview/hammerstein shows.

Are you joking? Buckethead is most definately on Better, he makes the song! and im guessing Hes on twat too, since he was in the band then .

No its just Robin & Richard on Better actually & TWAT is Robin & Huge.  Axl recently even commented at one of the shows that Better is Robins song! So dont make it like you know what you're talking about because you don't!

Sorry but you disgust me so much I had to register just to point how big a douche you're being. Buckethead is quite obviously on Better and TWAT. Better with a sweep picking fill and a mini solo and TWAT on the outro... there's a Fucking kill switch in the outro for fucks sake, one of Buckethead's trade marks. He quite obviously replaced Finck/Huge's outro.

Oh and if Buckethead is wiped from CD, Axl has comited a terrible crime against music not letting us hear what the Bucketmaster did on that record. Even Axl isn't that proud though, Bucket will be on CD.

[axlsalinger]

No its just Robin & Richard on Better actually & TWAT is Robin & Huge.  Axl recently even commented at one of the shows that Better is Robins song! So dont make it like you know what you're talking about because you don't!

Just because Robin wrote the song doesn't mean he played or came up with the shredding guitar parts. They have Buckethead written all over them.

It also seems extremely likely that while a lot of the guitar work in TWAT is Robin, that last solo is played by the Bucket.

[JDA]

Just release the friggin album.  Drop a date.  I am starting to get frustrated with not hearing anything.

[Bravefish]

I am sure most of BHs parts have been redone by Richard or Robin
I am sure BH will still be on this album but I dont think he will have as much as he would have if he didnt leave the band

agreed part from the sig stuff like the outro to twat im sure buckets parts will be minimal

fish

[zakas80]

IRS kicks your moms balls in. The song is masterpiece theater. Can't get enough of it.

how can you call a song with such repetive lyrics & that sounds like shit live a masterpiece!? ?you obviously dont have very good taste in music

[Origen]

^Like Gilby was insulted? A touring member is just that. He knew what he signed on for.

Precisely, release it with Bucketheads parts on and let Bumblefoot play them live.

[tonya_ytzerman]

Release it. Blank the guitar parts if you have to. I don't care anymore. It's called addiction. I need new drugs. 

I am starting to get frustrated with not hearing anything.

I can start some new rumors, just in case you miss them?

[johnnythunders24]

I'm suprised there's so much love for Buckethead now...

I don't think BF would have too much trouble rerecording BH, but if its a part BH wrote he should prolly stay on the album. The one song I really miss BH from the 2006 boots i've seen is the finally to paradise...it sounds really sloppy now...BH shredding back and forth with Robin was awesome.

[MATT-A-REAL-FAN]

 First off,they ain't releasing TWO versions of the album. That would only make them look foolish,regarding sales and promotion.
 People will think,"No wonder it took him so long!" and "Who cares who so and so is and he played this part?!?" This is just a bad idea.


 Secondly,as for Thal,he's not gonna be on it. I don't see how. As cool and great as he is, we don't know (and neither does he probably) if he's a FULL member yet. So why recruit someone to play on something when they might not be here next week.
 We know the deal with BH was he was supposed to be here long term but,screwed Axl and Co. over.
 However,if something sounds great and it can't be duplicated,leave it alone!!


? Third,I don't care if they got the sound they wanted by handcuffing a guitar to a blind chimp.
 It matters not to me who played what and when and how,etc.?


 Release it first and then we can talk endlessly........

? ?MATT

[highend88]

First of all we have heard bucket works on Twat and IRS and it kick ass.
It's way better than the 99 version without bucket work.
The 99 version is ok but now I understand why AXL is so perfectionist after listening to both version.

Definitely prefer bucket work on CD.

Like Ozzy said " he plays like a motherfucker" 

[CAFC Nick]

^Like Gilby was insulted? A touring member is just that. He knew what he signed on for.

Yeah but gilby played on TSI

[Origen]

^Like Gilby was insulted? A touring member is just that. He knew what he signed on for.

Yeah but gilby played on TSI

Yes AFTER he had toured for nearly 2 years with the band with albums (uyi's) he had nothink to do with.

TSI has nothink to do with the point he was making. The point he was making is they probably could of delayed the release of the USI albums but they didn't because it would of been daft, they simply let Gilby take over Izzys parts live and left Izzys parts on the albums.

The same thing should happen with Bucket head and Bumblefoot, BH has recorded the parts but now he's gone, there is no point to re-record them, just let Bumblefoot play them live.

[gnr2006]

Whatever way gets it out faster

Ditto.

[ppbebe]

With Bucket.

@ Aquila welcome to the board. good shout. 
Aye  those demos prove that they made a great and rare musical combination.
and to change the works for worse, it's such a crime you no it's true!

IRS kicks your moms balls in. The song is masterpiece theater. Can't get enough of it.

how can you call a song with such repetive lyrics & that sounds like shit live a masterpiece!?  you obviously dont have very good taste in music

I don't think the lyrics repetive, whatever 'repetive' means.
What song do you consider a masterpiece then?

[sic.]

^Like Gilby was insulted? A touring member is just that. He knew what he signed on for.

Yeah but gilby played on TSI

Yes AFTER he had toured for nearly 2 years with the band with albums (uyi's) he had nothink to do with.

TSI has nothink to do with the point he was making. The point he was making is they probably could of delayed the release of the USI albums but they didn't because it would of been daft, they simply let Gilby take over Izzys parts live and left Izzys parts on the albums.

The same thing should happen with Bucket head and Bumblefoot, BH has recorded the parts but now he's gone, there is no point to re-record them, just let Bumblefoot play them live.

Yeah, Origen nailed it there.

On Bucket/Izzy leaving: Axl, Slash and likely Duff as well were all hurt by Izzys departure. Compared to that, Bucket was an easy go. People talk about Axl re-recording Buckets parts for spite, yet Izzys parts - if any - would've been the ones replaced for that reason, simply because of the emotional bond they had for him. But you don't scrap that amount of guitar parts from a near-finished album, it's insane. Hire someone else for touring, cut your losses and move on with some class.

For argument's sake, let's say the album comes around September/October. I think there's always the slight chance that after the European tour Axl will ask Bumblefoot for a solo or something (as Brian May re-recorded a tad of Robin for CITR), but nothing major. To me, BBF's involvement at this hour only proves two things; Bucket's parts stay, and they needed someone to do them live.

I wholeheartedly approve and support both points and hope they'll turn out to be the truth.

[killingvector]

Remember there were multiple versions of many of these songs. If Bucket leaves, it is conceivable that previous versions of some Bucket parts will be stripped out and replaced. I really think we won't hear Bucket material that he didn't exclusively have a hand in creating.

[GNR estranged]

definatly with bucket, axl didnt seem pissed off at him in the eddie trunk interview so i think he will leave the songs alone.

[Mandy.]

definatly with bucket, axl didnt seem pissed off at him in the eddie trunk interview so i think he will leave the songs alone.

If he really wants to release it this year, he has no choice... He'll have to leave the songs like that.

[GNR estranged]

If he really wants to release it this year, he has no choice... He'll have to leave the songs like that.

that is true. if he is ready to release and it gets delayed even longer because wanted to take bucket out, that would be pretty shitty.

[jimmythegent]

Leave BHs parts on there - please

[bigcash2002]

I have to believe that AXL is keeping Bucket's parts and that CD is done, before kicking off the tour this time around.

This also seems consistent with Ron saying he is not recording for CD, at least from what he has been told thus far

[Buddha_Master]

Quote from: zakas80 on Yesterday at 02:13:33 PM
Quote from: Buddha_Master on Yesterday at 01:26:21 PM
IRS kicks your moms balls in. The song is masterpiece theater. Can't get enough of it.

how can you call a song with such repetive lyrics & that sounds like shit live a masterpiece!?  you obviously dont have very good taste in music

Because it sounds badass. If that shit doesn't move you then you had your shit shoved in one too many times.

[zakas80]

Ok Buddha Mast, the point that I was trying to make is that IRS is just the weakest of the demos that we've heard, maybe on the album it will sound different, who knows?  But to call it a masterpiece is a bit far fetched I
believe.  If you woulda said TWAT or Catcher or even posssibly Better then ok, but IRS is not even being close to top notch GNR material of current times.  I feel this way also because I went to 2 of the Hammerstein shows (12th, 17th) and twice the song was probably the worst performance by Guns of the night! ( And both shows I thought as a whole were amazing)

Then again I don't know why I feel the need th explain myself to a lil fuckin kid who trys to get his point across with "gay" & "your momma" type jokes & , trying to be a tough guy on a msg board! So I hope one day when you reach puberty you will learn how to carry a decent coversation for your own benefit

[Buddha_Master]

Ok Buddha Mast, the point that I was trying to make is that IRS is just the weakest of the demos that we've heard, maybe on the album it will sound different, who knows?? But to call it a masterpiece is a bit far fetched I
believe.? If you woulda said TWAT or Catcher or even posssibly Better then ok, but IRS is not even being close to top notch GNR material of current times.? I feel this way also because I went to 2 of the Hammerstein shows (12th, 17th) and twice the song was probably the worst performance by Guns of the night! ( And both shows I thought as a whole were amazing)

Then again I don't know why I feel the need th explain myself to a lil fuckin kid who trys to get his point across with "gay" & "your momma" type jokes & , trying to be a tough guy on a msg board! So I hope one day when you reach puberty you will learn how to carry a decent coversation for your own benefit

Yawn ok buddy. Fantasy can be fun. I remember being at one GNR show specifically where WTTJ was the weakest performed song. That song must suck by your logic. Shit dude, look know further then the Tokyo DVDs. Estranged is a pretty bad performance. You think that makes Estranged the weakest song on Illusion 2? Saying that because a track was performed weak at a live show means the song itself is weaker track is fucking lame.

And dude, check that little elitist attitude of yours. And yea, this is a message board. Its sole purpose is to waste time. Wasting time can be enjoyable, but its still just something to do when you have time to waste. This is also a GNR board, where being a sensitive chick and a GNR fan is a contradiction. Where do you think you are dude? So I said something about IRS kicking someone's Moms balls or saying shit shoved in. Boo hoo. Be a fucking Man. Don't let society condition and pussify you. We are GNR fans. We don't have to be professional.

[chinesedemocracy05]

Leave Buckethead's parts, Buckethead is an ?absolute genius and a madman on the guitar. Buckethead in my opinion is the best thing that ever happened to Axl after Slash left, and Bucket is my favorite guitarist.

In no way am i dissing Thal, hes great and he's a much cooler guy then bucket, but just judging from the demos, and comparing them to the live shows, Buckethead is a better guitar player.

I really can't wait to hear Bucket ripping on CD.

I dont think Buckerthead will have much contribution to CD. Maybe two or three tracks at most. Just look at the leaks, the only one that he was on was IRS, which in my opinion is the weakest of the four. As far as Bumble goes I think he will be maybe on the one newer track that they were supposedly working on around the time of the eddie trunk interview/hammerstein shows.

Are you joking? Buckethead is most definately on Better, he makes the song! and im guessing Hes on twat too, since he was in the band then .

No its just Robin & Richard on Better actually & TWAT is Robin & Huge.? Axl recently even commented at one of the shows that Better is Robins song! So dont make it like you know what you're talking about because you don't!

Woah, sorry dude, I must have missed this. Im not even being an asshole, can you tell me how you know which guitar players are on each song. Do you have a credible source or are you just making that up. And i dont think i know everything by the way General.

I know I've read posts that say that Bucket is at least on Twat, and who does the ripping part in better? Who confirmed the guitarists? I realy mustve missed this.

[chinesedemocracy05]

No its just Robin & Richard on Better actually & TWAT is Robin & Huge.? Axl recently even commented at one of the shows that Better is Robins song! So dont make it like you know what you're talking about because you don't!

Dude dont make it like you know what you're talking about because you don't!

You look like such an asshole now, maybe someone with 80 more posts then you and the ability to hear is right and you're a dumb shit. either way pwned Buckethead rules.?

IRS kicks your moms balls in. The song is masterpiece theater. Can't get enough of it.

how can you call a song with such repetive lyrics & that sounds like shit live a masterpiece!?  you obviously dont have very good taste in music

Zakas80 you are the first board member I actually dont like you're an arrogant prick thats full of hot air, youwere proved wrong in this thread and now youre being an ass to my man Buddha master, If you dont like IRS whatever. But dont shit on the opinion of a fellow board member.

[F*ck Fear]

As much as I like Ron's playing, I just want the album in my hands. I think just release it with Bucket's parts. Then they can go back to the studio and have Ron re-record all of Bucket's parts for the second album. Unless they write more material.