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« on: July 04, 2006, 12:17:18 PM »

I agree with POV's (locked) thread. Axl's voice isn't the same as before. Yes, it's a LOT better than 2002, but not hugely different. Listen to the good audio recordings of RIR5 - Patience, KOHD, Brownstone, etc. - and you can hear (especially on Patience) that he still has a helium-like voice.

HOWEVER, I think Axl's voice is just changing again. He didn't sound the same in the '80s as he did in the early '90s. He's getting older, his voice probably can't even handle the same amount of rasp as he used to have - so his voice sounds different. But I think it fits the sound of the new songs especially. The reason it sounds bad on the old songs is because we're used to them being sung a different way. But when you listen to Axl sing IRS, Better, TWAT, Madagascar or The Blues his voice sounds amazing. If Axl had recorded WTTJ or SCOM with his "helium" voice, and we heard a deep rasp nowadays, people would complain that he lost his singing abilities and is just screaming.

I think Axl is "singing" more now than he has in the past (KOHD @ RIR is awesome!).
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2006, 12:20:54 PM »

DVD's and CD's are made of plastic, that means that in 30 years the recording of a guns n" roses 1988 show will still sound the same

Axl is made of carbon, is a human being, meaning he changes
for example, axl had a smooth skin in 1988, now he has some wrinkles, this is called aging.
i believe things happen with the voice too, i'm not sure.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2006, 12:29:55 PM »

Well, I think many people get raspy as they age. Many old men  esp non singers have rasps. peace
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2006, 12:40:21 PM »

I agree with POV's (locked) thread. Axl's voice isn't the same as before. Yes, it's a LOT better than 2002, but not hugely different. Listen to the good audio recordings of RIR5 - Patience, KOHD, Brownstone, etc. - and you can hear (especially on Patience) that he still has a helium-like voice.

And that's all I'm trying to say.  My point was, whether or not the fans here like the new voice or not is inconsequential.  The point was, that voice we're hearing now will not rule the rock world or come even close.  Its not about how much the Axl fans here like his new voice, its about how the fans who have walked away during the absence of an album and a real tour will like his new voice.  That was the point.

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HOWEVER, I think Axl's voice is just changing again. He didn't sound the same in the '80s as he did in the early '90s. He's getting older, his voice probably can't even handle the same amount of rasp as he used to have - so his voice sounds different. But I think it fits the sound of the new songs especially. The reason it sounds bad on the old songs is because we're used to them being sung a different way.

No doubt.  He's going to kill any good will he builds up with the new shit by butchering these old classics.  That's why he's not going to succeed again here in the States.  I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm just being honest, like Simon on American Idol.

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But when you listen to Axl sing IRS, Better, TWAT, Madagascar or The Blues his voice sounds amazing. If Axl had recorded WTTJ or SCOM with his "helium" voice, and we heard a deep rasp nowadays, people would complain that he lost his singing abilities and is just screaming.

As I was driving home last night, Paradise City came on the radio.  I'm listening to the song is dolby surround, right?  The music fucking rocks!  It was unbelievable!   but Axl's voice even rocks more!!!  He doesn't have that anymore.  Saying he has half of that strength left would be telling a falsehood.

Now let me set the record straight.... this post is not intended to tell you how much I miss the 80's Axl, nor is it to bash Axl, but it is to tell you that Axl will not rock arenas here in the U.S. again, not with that voice.  If he somehow finds his old voice again, he can, but its doubtful that will happen at age 44...
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2006, 12:57:30 PM »

it is to tell you that Axl will not rock arenas here in the U.S. again, not with that voice.

I love America, but the way you have said that makes me think that Americans are arrogant and can't and will not accept change.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2006, 01:06:22 PM »

I love America, but the way you have said that makes me think that Americans are arrogant and can't and will not accept change.

It has nothing to do with accepting change, bro.  If the change is for the good, Americans will hump it until they're dry.  The point is, that voice won't make American fans crazy like his voice did back in the day.  It also doesn't help that Slash isn't on stage with him either, but we won't go down that slope...
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2006, 01:06:44 PM »

I was at the Paris show, and Axl sounded GREAT. I'm honnest!
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2006, 01:07:49 PM »

You know POV, you sound awfully like a broken record.


All I can say is, having seen GN'R four times already this year, you're wrong.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2006, 01:09:32 PM »

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As I was driving home last night, Paradise City came on the radio.  I'm listening to the song is dolby surround, right?  The music fucking rocks!  It was unbelievable!   but Axl's voice even rocks more!!!  He doesn't have that anymore.  Saying he has half of that strength left would be telling a falsehood.

You were listening to a studio recording. Of course, there will be a huge difference between a live and a produced track.


btw POV, I'm still waiting for that list of bootlegs from the 2006 tour that you have listened. Complete with links for proof.

On a side note, this thread was locked once before, why exactly do you think the same thing won't happen again?
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2006, 01:15:37 PM »

it is to tell you that Axl will not rock arenas here in the U.S. again, not with that voice.


Yeah and motley crue isn't still filling arena's all over north america are they.... Have you heard Vince sing lately. Axl puts vince to shame. Grow the fuck up.
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2006, 01:17:32 PM »

You were listening to a studio recording. Of course, there will be a huge difference between a live and a produced track.


btw POV, I'm still waiting for that list of bootlegs from the 2006 tour that you have listened from which you based your conclusion. Complete with links for proot.

On a side note, this thread was locked once before, why exactly do you think the same thing won't happen again?

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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2006, 01:19:53 PM »

I was at the Paris show, and Axl sounded GREAT. I'm honnest!

The funny part is: I have some here telling me a studio version will obviously kill a live version.  Then, I have you telling me he sounds great live.  I have some telling me I 'must go to a show' to know what I'm talking about, that the boots won't suffice, but then I have some linking better boots.   confused   

Get over it people, Axl's voice is no where near as powerful as it was back in the early 90's.  Its irrefutable!  Insult me, lock the thread, make contradictorary statements, whatever....  it doesn't change this fact.  Quit acting like children! 
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2006, 01:20:53 PM »

You're completely wrong about this I've seen Axl in the 90's and i've seen him a few days ago, his voice is so much better now then back then. And I also like America and Americans but sometimes some of you are are so naive and short-sighted. I think that you have to hear him sing in reality and not on a bootleg soundboard recording or something to be able to give a good opinion. I also wasn't impressed too much with the RIR recordings because the sound is not that good in my opinion.





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As I was driving home last night, Paradise City came on the radio.  I'm listening to the song is dolby surround, right?  The music fucking rocks!  It was unbelievable!   but Axl's voice even rocks more!!!  He doesn't have that anymore.  Saying he has half of that strength left would be telling a falsehood.

You were listening to a studio recording. Of course, there will be a huge difference between a live and a produced track.


btw POV, I'm still waiting for that list of bootlegs from the 2006 tour that you have listened from which you based your conclusion. Complete with links for proot.

On a side note, this thread was locked once before, why exactly do you think the same thing won't happen again?

I don't think this thread should be locked because I didn't intend it to turn into another Axl-bashing thread, I'm just saying yes, his voice is different, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a BAD thing!

And FYI - if you want a bootleg from '06, go listen to the Paris concert. I have the full bootleg. His voice is very high-pitched.

But somehow any time this is brought up people go on the defensive.

BTW - to the person who said Axl still has the same amount of energy - that's not even true at all. He's in his '40s, I wouldn't EXPECT him to have the same amount of energy. Go watch Coma from 1992 (it's on YouTube, I uploaded it) and see how much Axl jumps around and spins and runs and screeches into the mic.

Axl is getting older, of course he's going to run out of breath more and not be able to hold the notes like he used to. That's why I think songs such as The Blues are more suited towards him now.
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2006, 01:22:58 PM »

You're completely wrong about this I've seen Axl in the 90's and i've seen him a few days ago, his voice is so much better now then back then. And I also like America and Americans but sometimes some of you are are so naive and short-sighted. I think that you have to hear him sing in reality and not on a bootleg soundboard recording or something to be able to give a good opinion. I also wasn't impressed too much with the RIR recordings because the sound is not that good in my opinion.





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Hello? I said his voice is great now. I just said it's DIFFERENT.

About RIR - the sound may have been badly mixed but you can still tell whether his voice is different or not. I have a load of bootlegs from '06 so far, as well as the pro shot from Donington and IRS from Download. His voice is good but it's not the same as it was before.
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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2006, 01:34:28 PM »

You're completely wrong about this I've seen Axl in the 90's and i've seen him a few days ago, his voice is so much better now then back then. And I also like America and Americans but sometimes some of you are are so naive and short-sighted. I think that you have to hear him sing in reality and not on a bootleg soundboard recording or something to be able to give a good opinion. I also wasn't impressed too much with the RIR recordings because the sound is not that good in my opinion.





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Hello? I said his voice is great now. I just said it's DIFFERENT.

About RIR - the sound may have been badly mixed but you can still tell whether his voice is different or not. I have a load of bootlegs from '06 so far, as well as the pro shot from Donington and IRS from Download. His voice is good but it's not the same as it was before.

It was 'different' in 2002 and people complained. He is more like he was during the Illusion era now than four years ago. I've said this a million times but Axl runs hot and cold even within a show. Be careful of the sampling because haters love to put a shaky vocal selection online as evidence that the man has lost it. From what I've heard, he is on par with his performances from the early 90s.
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2006, 01:40:46 PM »

And FYI - if you want a bootleg from '06, go listen to the Paris concert. I have the full bootleg. His voice is very high-pitched.

But somehow any time this is brought up people go on the defensive.

Gee, I wonder why?? They know you're right, but they love Axl, and admitting he doesn't have the same edge he had back in the day might mean the new Gunners won't succeed.? It sort of kills their whole reason for supporting the new band, since this is in essence: the Axl Rose solo project.? They don't wanna hear that CD will never come out.? They don't wanna hear that Axl's voice is shot.? They don't wanna hear about Slash and Duff.? They only want to hear what Merck and Axl have to tell them.? Its kind of scary actually.? Very cult-like.?
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2006, 01:44:03 PM »

You know, I hear a lot of this "I want the original Axl voice back" and not the "helium" shit. If you knew anything about Axl, then you'd know how much higher pitched Axl's voice was originally than at any other point in Axl's career:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5Uy8Fxu7uQk&search=roxy%20guns%20n%20roses (specifically listen to the outro)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EMuN7cUzOE8&search=roxy%20guns%20n%20roses

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k0H6bTGuiLQ&search=roxy%20guns%20n%20roses

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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2006, 01:50:05 PM »

Gee, I wonder why?  They know you're right, but they love Axl, and admitting he doesn't have the same edge he had back in the day might mean the new Gunners won't succeed.  It sort of kills their whole reason for supporting the new band, since this is in essence: the Axl Rose solo project.  They don't wanna hear that CD will never come out.  They don't wanna hear that Axl's voice is shot.  They don't wanna hear about Slash and Duff.  They only want to hear what Merck and Axl have to tell them.  Its kind of scary actually.  Very cult-like. 


You know, we've heard this a lot before.

Keep this up and this is either being locked or just going to Dead Horse.
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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2006, 01:55:07 PM »

And FYI - if you want a bootleg from '06, go listen to the Paris concert. I have the full bootleg. His voice is very high-pitched.

But somehow any time this is brought up people go on the defensive.

Gee, I wonder why?? They know you're right, but they love Axl, and admitting he doesn't have the same edge he had back in the day might mean the new Gunners won't succeed.? It sort of kills their whole reason for supporting the new band, since this is in essence: the Axl Rose solo project.? They don't wanna hear that CD will never come out.? They don't wanna hear that Axl's voice is shot.? They don't wanna hear about Slash and Duff.? They only want to hear what Merck and Axl have to tell them.? Its kind of scary actually.? Very cult-like.?

I feel what you mean dude, Im one of Axl's biggest suppoters but this forum is very cult like, some people need to seperate the TRUTH from their OWN reality. Is Axl's voice the same as it was in 1988, No, it never will be either, but At thesame time his new voice is Still unbelievable. I was at the show on May 15th in New York and it was the best concert ive ever seen. Ive seen Better musical and vocal performances (Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel play every song perfect) but This new Guns N' Roses was so tight and Axl was VERY energetic and in to it.

my point is that Axl can control an arena, and everyone there will have a great fucking time. And as far as destroying classics that is one thing this band DOES NOT do. Nighttrain, Jungle, It's so easy they Were FANTASTIC live. Believe in this band man, see them yourself and you will bot be dissapointed.
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2006, 01:55:48 PM »

You know, I hear a lot of this "I want the original Axl voice back" and not the "helium" shit. If you knew anything about Axl, then you'd know how much higher pitched Axl's voice was originally than at any other point in Axl's career:

Since I can't properly assess his voice via youtube, these links will be of no use. ? confused ? In all seriousness, don't link me old shows and tell me his voice is just as helium based. ?That's a crock of bullshit and you know it. ?Ever seen the Down on the Farm cut from Farm Aid 1990? ?Could he pull that off today? ?Hell fucking no! ?Look, I'm not trying to insult the man, but he'd make me hate DOTF if he tried singing it today. ?He's not even close. ? confused
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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2006, 02:01:22 PM »

You know, I hear a lot of this "I want the original Axl voice back" and not the "helium" shit. If you knew anything about Axl, then you'd know how much higher pitched Axl's voice was originally than at any other point in Axl's career:

Since I can't properly assess his voice via youtube, these links will be of no use.   confused   In all seriousness, don't link me old shows and tell me his voice is just as helium based.  That's a crock of bullshit and you know it.  Ever seen the Down on the Farm cut from Farm Aid 1990?  Could he pull that off today?  Hell fucking no!  Look, I'm not trying to insult the man, but he'd make me hate DOTF if he tried singing it today.  He's not even close.   confused

Dude, don't get the topic locked. I agree with a lot of what you're saying about some people not wanting to admit his voice has changed - which is laughable since it's a way of life and there's no way a man in his mid-'40s could ever sing with the same energy as he could in his '20s - but just stop before it gets locked.

To all the people like IndiannaRose who are getting defensive - read my post again, I didn't make this to bash Axl, I'm saying his voice is DIFFERENT in a GOOD way. And I know his voice was high-pitched in the beginning of his career, that's part of my point, Axl's voice is always evolving, and it fits the new songs.
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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2006, 02:03:09 PM »

I feel what you mean dude, Im one of Axl's biggest suppoters but this forum is very cult like, some people need to seperate the TRUTH from their OWN reality. ?Is Axl's voice the same as it was in 1988, No, it never will be either, but At thesame time his new voice is Still unbelievable. I was at the show on May 15th in New York and it was the best concert ive ever seen.

The problem is, this is the 21st century. ?The music industry is more poppy and demanding as ever! ?There's a reason why Axl hasn't released the new material. ?At least, at one point, we have it documented where Geffen told him NO. ?That's why I'm saying this. ?It really doesn't matter if you, the new Guns fan, like Axl's voice. ?Its only going to matter to the new fans who weren't around in the 90's or have walked away over disappointment in waiting for the album. ?Sure, if you're going to the new shows, you're going to dig Axl's voice, because that's why you're there. ?To the fans that have walked away, he's not going to win many of them back.

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Actually, from what I've seen, Axl doesn't have the same lizard like presence on stage now as he had back in the day. ?His moves are very processed and forced. ?Of course, he's older, but to try to compare his moves now to then and tell me the band has just as good chemistry as Duff-Slash-Izzy had back in the day... its very laughable and will be to most fans who have walked away from the band.

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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2006, 02:04:20 PM »

You know, I hear a lot of this "I want the original Axl voice back" and not the "helium" shit. If you knew anything about Axl, then you'd know how much higher pitched Axl's voice was originally than at any other point in Axl's career:

Since I can't properly assess his voice via youtube, these links will be of no use. ? confused ? In all seriousness, don't link me old shows and tell me his voice is just as helium based. ?That's a crock of bullshit and you know it. ?Ever seen the Down on the Farm cut from Farm Aid 1990? ?Could he pull that off today? ?Hell fucking no! ?Look, I'm not trying to insult the man, but he'd make me hate DOTF if he tried singing it today. ?He's not even close. ? confused
Hmm...no. Listen to this. The fact that you fail to recognize the true, original sound of Axl's voice (the one you truly desire for Roll Eyes) just shows your inability to view things with a clear mind. Axl's voice in that outro to Rocket Queen is much higher than anything Axl has ever done in the first millenium. If you knew as much as you ostentatiously say you knew then you'd clearly admit this as it is common knowledge in GN'R circles. You have to be deaf to deny this. no

Also, Down in the Farm? Are you kidding me? Axl could do that song 76 times today and not get tired today. If you're truly using that as an example then you're just clearly coming up with shit. That song has a very barotone, low key to it that Axl does easily in songs like It's So Easy and Mr.Brownstone. That song almost anybody could fly through.

Your inability to prove your arguments and your incoherence within explained thoughts shows your blatant ignorance in the topic. That is final and you know it to be true.
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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2006, 02:07:26 PM »

Well i had never the strong feeling to post something on the board.
Just following the discussions for over 4 years now.

But people still complaining and bashing Axl's voice, does no justice to him.
I saw them last sunday at goffertpark and his voice was better than ever!
GNR are getting in the local news papers only good review's and they also mentioned his voice is still the same as in the 90's.
According to the newspaper the volkskrant they were better than back in 93 ? beer


So people who are complaining about an Helium voice,go to a show...and you know better ?smoking

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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2006, 02:08:38 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2006, 02:09:06 PM »

this topic should be locked, while your intentions where not to bash. this topic will bring all the people from the other topic who where bashing here.
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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2006, 02:12:12 PM »

You know, I hear a lot of this "I want the original Axl voice back" and not the "helium" shit. If you knew anything about Axl, then you'd know how much higher pitched Axl's voice was originally than at any other point in Axl's career:

Since I can't properly assess his voice via youtube, these links will be of no use.   confused   In all seriousness, don't link me old shows and tell me his voice is just as helium based.  That's a crock of bullshit and you know it.  Ever seen the Down on the Farm cut from Farm Aid 1990?  Could he pull that off today?  Hell fucking no!  Look, I'm not trying to insult the man, but he'd make me hate DOTF if he tried singing it today.  He's not even close.   confused
Hmm...no. Listen to this. The fact that you fail to recognize the true, original sound of Axl's voice (the one you truly desire for Roll Eyes) just shows your inability to view things with a clear mind. Axl's voice in that outro to Rocket Queen is much higher than anything Axl has ever done in the first millenium. If you knew as much as you ostentatiously say you knew then you'd clearly admit this as it is common knowledge in GN'R circles. You have to be deaf to deny this. no

Also, Down in the Farm? Are you kidding me? Axl could do that song 76 times today and not get tired today. If you're truly using that as an example then you're just clearly coming up with shit. That song has a very barotone, low key to it that Axl does easily in songs like It's So Easy and Mr.Brownstone. That song almost anybody could fly through.

Your inability to prove your arguments and your incoherence within explained thoughts shows your blatant ignorance in the topic. That is final and you know it to be true.

Eh...sorry mate but I disagree, it's nowhere near as high pitched as his performance of UTLH at Paris. And if you'll notice, even though that clip has a high pitch in his voice, there's some grit to it as well, whereas especially in 2002 during songs like Patience it literally had a helium effect to it like someone who has sucked air out of a balloon, I don't know exactly how to describe it. But somehow anyone who mentions his voice is high-pitched is accused of being negative. I think it sounds good on some songs. Not all of them though.

His voice right now sounds great because it's a good mix of rasp and high pitch, he sounds like he did around 1986 but with a bit less depth. Also because he's older I think he has some difficulty trying to scream over the noise of the instruments (keep in mind there's more sound effects now than there were in the "old days"), but on quieter songs you can really hear his voice is still quite strong.
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« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2006, 02:12:17 PM »

Umm, please educate me with a link to a newswire, online periodical, or press release that proves that the label rejected the album.

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« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2006, 02:13:23 PM »

It is, it isn't.

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