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« on: July 12, 2006, 01:16:58 PM »

I was looking for the real chords of Better... the ones I saw were pretty simple, with just power chords and stuff like that. I don't think the main verse riff (or the chords) is just that. It's not just about power chords, you can tell just by listening to. But anyways, here's some screen-shots I made with Robin playing the verse:



I can say the first chord is (with drop D, of course):

8-8-8-10-11-8

or

----8-----
----11---
----10---
----8----
----8----
----8-----

I thought it would be better to ask the musician himself, so I emailed BBF. Here's his answer:


All's well, thanks Smiley It's drop D, I'm playing power chords... Bb/// /// / /// / D/// /// F / D/ / , but Rich and Robin are adding some highre extensions to the chords... maybe if you email Rich, he might be able to help with that...? Smiley

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So, I'm trying to get the other chords.. Anybody could help me with that?
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 11:47:40 AM »

Ok, thank you guys for the help. ??

Anyways, a friend from my board figured it out with me, so here's me playing lousy.. but what it matter is the chords:

http://www.perfectcrimegnr.com/downloads/Voodoo_Better.mp3

The chords:

Bb
----8-----
----10---
----10---
----8----
----8----
----8-----

D:
----8-----
----10---
----10---
----0----
----0----
----0-----

F:
----3-----
----6---
----5---
----3----
----3----
----3-----

With Drop D, of course.


Thanks pdl05 for your help!!! headbanger
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2006, 03:22:35 PM »

Nice work Voodoo! ok

Im not a guitar player, but rather a bass player, and too me your version sounds indentical to both a live version, and the demo of the song.
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2006, 03:26:14 PM »

The particular notes for that riff have bothered me for ages! Thanks  ok
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2006, 09:02:25 AM »

Thanks dudes... but listen to the Bucket lead made by my friend pdl05, it's truly amazing:


http://rapidshare.de/files/25786577/better1_-_perfect_crime_-_brasil.mp3.html

http://www.sendspace.com/file/f2oxh3


The intro still needs some work, tho. But this guy really can play!!
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2006, 01:53:49 AM »

Ok, this one is better (no pun... ok, you got it). It still need some work and a lot of leads:

http://www.perfectcrimegnr.com/downloads/Better_01_(base).mp3

I played the rhythm guitar and some small leads and pdl05 played the lead (the bucket part and the intro).
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2006, 01:59:29 AM »

voodoo... the chords are played way to loud you can even hear the other guitar.

other than that... its OK..  its not that its bad.. it was just put together bad.
 
did u guys skip the robin solo?


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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2006, 09:06:25 AM »

Yeah, the mix isn't that good yet... Like I said, it still need some work and some lead (like Robin solo). I recorded and mixed yesterday, late at night... And my E string is gone, lol. Need to buy new one. Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2006, 02:12:42 PM »

Nice work Voodoo! ok

Im not a guitar player, but rather a bass player, and too me your version sounds indentical to both a live version, and the demo of the song.

Hey, you're a bassist, if you haven't already learned "Better", I submitted a bass tab and a pretty good guitar tab to Ultimate-Guitar.com, I'm 100% certain that the bass tab is as correct as can be! ok ok
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2006, 05:00:42 PM »

Nice work Voodoo! ok

Im not a guitar player, but rather a bass player, and too me your version sounds indentical to both a live version, and the demo of the song.

Hey, you're a bassist, if you haven't already learned "Better", I submitted a bass tab and a pretty good guitar tab to Ultimate-Guitar.com, I'm 100% certain that the bass tab is as correct as can be! ok ok

Haha, that's fuckin' jokes dude!

After I read Voodoo's post and listened to his version days ago, I was like "well time to learn Better on the bass" and since ultimate-guitar.com is the only tabulature site I really use, I found only one bass tab which I now know is yours Cheesy

It sounds pretty damn accurate so far, but I dont have any picks laying around the house, so the song is kind of harder to learn at the moment by just plucking Undecided
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2006, 08:08:05 PM »

Hey Voodoo, see the last four notes Robin plays before the riff kicks in? Could you tell me in tab form what they are please? Bit of a guitar novice over here  ok
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2006, 08:18:49 PM »

Hey Voodoo, see the last four notes Robin plays before the riff kicks in? Could you tell me in tab form what they are please? Bit of a guitar novice over here  ok

INTRO

eb|--15-17-15-17-15-17-15--17-18-17-15--17-15--13-15-13-15-13----12-13------12-13-15--|
Bb|--15-17-15-17-15-17-15--17-18-17-15--17-15--13-13-13-13-13----13-13----15----------|
Gb|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Db|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Ab|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Db|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2006, 08:21:47 PM »

Nice work Voodoo! ok

Im not a guitar player, but rather a bass player, and too me your version sounds indentical to both a live version, and the demo of the song.

Hey, you're a bassist, if you haven't already learned "Better", I submitted a bass tab and a pretty good guitar tab to Ultimate-Guitar.com, I'm 100% certain that the bass tab is as correct as can be! ok ok

Haha, that's fuckin' jokes dude!

After I read Voodoo's post and listened to his version days ago, I was like "well time to learn Better on the bass" and since ultimate-guitar.com is the only tabulature site I really use, I found only one bass tab which I now know is yours Cheesy

It sounds pretty damn accurate so far, but I dont have any picks laying around the house, so the song is kind of harder to learn at the moment by just plucking Undecided

Yeahhhhhh lol you definitely need a pick for the Bridge III Riff, but trust me, I listened to multiple versions of it live and I can confidently say it's 100% correct
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2006, 08:49:07 PM »

Thank you Mobenrad  ok
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2006, 09:32:44 PM »

Thank you Mobenrad  ok

Anytime man, if you need the whole rhythm tablature, just PM me and they are yours, wrote them up myself and pretty certain they're correct
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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2006, 10:48:51 PM »

Hey Voodoo, see the last four notes Robin plays before the riff kicks in? Could you tell me in tab form what they are please? Bit of a guitar novice over here  ok

INTRO

eb|--15-17-15-17-15-17-15--17-18-17-15--17-15--13-15-13-15-13----12-13------12-13-15--|
Bb|--15-17-15-17-15-17-15--17-18-17-15--17-15--13-13-13-13-13----13-13----15----------|
Gb|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Db|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Ab|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Db|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Sorry dude, but this tab is not right.

Here's the right tab (I didn't made it, it was a friend of mine, pdl05):


E--18--18--18?18?18?18?18-----18?18?18?18?18---18
B--20--22--20?22?20?22?20-----22---------22---20---22?20


B--18--20--18?20?18?17?18--
G--19--19--19?19?19?19?19?

E---0----0-----0?--0?-
B--15---17---18?-20?


This is 100% accurate.
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2006, 01:58:47 AM »

Hey Voodoo, see the last four notes Robin plays before the riff kicks in? Could you tell me in tab form what they are please? Bit of a guitar novice over here  ok

INTRO

eb|--15-17-15-17-15-17-15--17-18-17-15--17-15--13-15-13-15-13----12-13------12-13-15--|
Bb|--15-17-15-17-15-17-15--17-18-17-15--17-15--13-13-13-13-13----13-13----15----------|
Gb|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Db|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Ab|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Db|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Sorry dude, but this tab is not right.

Here's the right tab (I didn't made it, it was a friend of mine, pdl05):


E--18--18--18?18?18?18?18-----18?18?18?18?18---18
B--20--22--20?22?20?22?20-----22---------22---20---22?20


B--18--20--18?20?18?17?18--
G--19--19--19?19?19?19?19?

E---0----0-----0?--0?-
B--15---17---18?-20?


This is 100% accurate.

You wanna bet it's not right?

http://three.fsphost.com/PokerDude442/Better_Instrumental2.mp3

Listen to that, compare it to the original.

Listen to yours, compare it to the original. You might be basing it off of the live version, but either way I don't think the live version intro is correct versus the original recording intro.
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2006, 08:18:35 AM »

You wanna bet it's not right?

http://three.fsphost.com/PokerDude442/Better_Instrumental2.mp3

Listen to that, compare it to the original.

Listen to yours, compare it to the original. You might be basing it off of the live version, but either way I don't think the live version intro is correct versus the original recording intro.
I can't listen to that because I'm at work right now, but I'm pretty sure the intro is not that different in the live version. Of course, the last notes may be played different because Robin need to put the first chord, but that's it. So, I assume it's the same riff, same notes, same tab.

Did you listen to the version we made?

http://www.sendspace.com/file/791111

I dunno how are you playing, but I tried your version and it doesn't sound right. Then, I tried this other one and all went well. I dunno if you tried the version I posted, but if you did, make sure to use distortion - the harmonics will not sound like the demo and/or live version.
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2006, 01:18:25 PM »

You wanna bet it's not right?

http://three.fsphost.com/PokerDude442/Better_Instrumental2.mp3

Listen to that, compare it to the original.

Listen to yours, compare it to the original. You might be basing it off of the live version, but either way I don't think the live version intro is correct versus the original recording intro.
I can't listen to that because I'm at work right now, but I'm pretty sure the intro is not that different in the live version. Of course, the last notes may be played different because Robin need to put the first chord, but that's it. So, I assume it's the same riff, same notes, same tab.

Did you listen to the version we made?

http://www.sendspace.com/file/791111

I dunno how are you playing, but I tried your version and it doesn't sound right. Then, I tried this other one and all went well. I dunno if you tried the version I posted, but if you did, make sure to use distortion - the harmonics will not sound like the demo and/or live version.

Trust me, when you get a chance to listen to it, you'll see what I mean. I used a distortion produced by a DigiTech RP200 mixed with a Boss Dynamic-Wah.
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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2006, 03:58:01 PM »

Trust me, when you get a chance to listen to it, you'll see what I mean. I used a distortion produced by a DigiTech RP200 mixed with a Boss Dynamic-Wah.
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Your file is not there anymore.

But, like I said, I already tried your tab.
I also tried your chords tab and it wasn't right either, since it only had power-chords. But anyways, maybe if another person compare the two tabs you may believe in me.
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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2006, 05:20:02 PM »

Trust me, when you get a chance to listen to it, you'll see what I mean. I used a distortion produced by a DigiTech RP200 mixed with a Boss Dynamic-Wah.
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Your file is not there anymore.

But, like I said, I already tried your tab.
I also tried your chords tab and it wasn't right either, since it only had power-chords. But anyways, maybe if another person compare the two tabs you may believe in me.

dude, Mobenrad's version sounds alot more precise. ive tried it out and his sound like the original
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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2006, 06:21:42 PM »

dude, Mobenrad's version sounds alot more precise. ive tried it out and his sound like the original
Did you try the other version? Did you listen to it?
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2006, 07:01:28 PM »

www.myspace.com/granitecloud


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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2006, 07:05:54 PM »

I recorded your version to compare with my friend's one. Also, there's the demo version, for better listen... I didn't use any wha, just a shitty distortion...

http://www.perfectcrimegnr.com/downloads/Better_intros.mp3 (save as)

1st, of course, is Robin.
2nd, its yours.
3rd, its mine.

Its proof enough.. If you can't hear the difference, I really can't do much more.

Edited: just heard your version.. same thing. Sorry, it's just not right.
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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2006, 02:26:08 AM »

I recorded your version to compare with my friend's one. Also, there's the demo version, for better listen... I didn't use any wha, just a shitty distortion...

http://www.perfectcrimegnr.com/downloads/Better_intros.mp3 (save as)

1st, of course, is Robin.
2nd, its yours.
3rd, its mine.

Its proof enough.. If you can't hear the difference, I really can't do much more.

Edited: just heard your version.. same thing. Sorry, it's just not right.


Apparently, your pretty out of tune when you're playing my version.
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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2006, 05:32:00 AM »

i'd got the same thing as Mobenrad for the intro when i tried working it out
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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2006, 07:20:55 AM »

Apparently, your pretty out of tune when you're playing my version.
LOL.
Its not on the Eb tune, but it's not out of the tune. And yet, the other version went well? Do you want me to re-record it with the 100% right tune?

If you can't hear the difference between your record and the real version, there's no win here.

i'd got the same thing as Mobenrad for the intro when i tried working it out
I guess I will leave it on my ctrl+v here: Did you try the other version? Did you listen to it?
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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2006, 07:21:21 PM »

mobenrad, yours is definitely wrong.

voodoochilds version is nearly correct, i think just the middle part isn't...

E--18--18--18?18?18?18?18-----18?18?18?18?18---18
B--20--22--20?22?20?22?20-----22---------22---20---22?20



B--18--20--18?20?18?17?18--
G--19--19--19?19?19?19?19?


should be:


E--15--15--15?15?15?15?15--
B--18--20--18?20?18?17?18?


E---0----0-----0?--0?-
B--15---17---18?-20?
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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2006, 08:10:59 PM »

I guess I will leave it on my ctrl+v here: Did you try the other version? Did you listen to it?

not had time to yet, i've been working stupid hours i just glanced over the tab, and noticed it was the same thing i'd transcribed it to be.
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« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2006, 08:50:34 PM »

Mobenrad, you have the verse perfect.


Isn't the intro like 15-17-15-17-15-17-15---15-17-18-15?
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« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2006, 10:10:10 PM »

mobenrad, yours is definitely wrong.

voodoochilds version is nearly correct, i think just the middle part isn't...

E--18--18--18?18?18?18?18-----18?18?18?18?18---18
B--20--22--20?22?20?22?20-----22---------22---20---22?20



B--18--20--18?20?18?17?18--
G--19--19--19?19?19?19?19?


should be:


E--15--15--15?15?15?15?15--
B--18--20--18?20?18?17?18?


E---0----0-----0?--0?-
B--15---17---18?-20?
It's the same thing dude... Notice how it's different strings. Tongue

not had time to yet, i've been working stupid hours i just glanced over the tab, and noticed it was the same thing i'd transcribed it to be.
So please, listen to it and compare.

Mobenrad, you have the verse perfect.


Isn't the intro like 15-17-15-17-15-17-15---15-17-18-15?
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« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2006, 04:11:25 AM »

'dude', how can...

E--15--
B--18--

and

B--18--
G--19--

... be the same thing?
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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2006, 10:08:03 AM »

'dude', how can...

E--15--
B--18--

and

B--18--
G--19--

... be the same thing?
My fault, I thought it was the same thing without reading into that, "dude".
I'm gonna try your version later.
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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2006, 11:09:48 AM »

have you tried it yet?  smoking
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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2006, 01:42:41 PM »

No, I don't think soon is the word. Tongue

Seriously, my cp crashed, so I may have to wait a lil' more to try your tab.
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« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2006, 07:02:45 PM »

Hey Voodoo Child, you think you can tab out that Buckethead fill your friend did? Seems like a motherfucker to play, he's definitely got skills.
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« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2006, 09:00:02 PM »

VoodooChild's version is absolutely right...
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« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2006, 12:48:17 AM »

Yes, Voodoo Child, sorry man, your version actually does sound 100% right. My mistake

By the way, nevermind about the fill, figured it out.
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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2006, 02:04:29 PM »

can some one record better with only bass so that i can hear it?.. and then post it hear like some of you guys hace done with the gutiar.. hope that you guys get what i mean. kinda bad at explain things in english hihi
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« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2006, 10:46:50 PM »

can some one record better with only bass so that i can hear it?.. and then post it hear like some of you guys hace done with the gutiar.. hope that you guys get what i mean. kinda bad at explain things in english hihi

Sure, I'll do the bass in a little bit, but first I need a bass...lol, I figured the song out on mine but unforunately it's not that great and will not sound very good.

If you want I could do it with a toned down bassy guitar?
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« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2006, 06:13:50 PM »

can some one record better with only bass so that i can hear it?.. and then post it hear like some of you guys hace done with the gutiar.. hope that you guys get what i mean. kinda bad at explain things in english hihi

Sure, I'll do the bass in a little bit, but first I need a bass...lol, I figured the song out on mine but unforunately it's not that great and will not sound very good.

If you want I could do it with a toned down bassy guitar?

yeah that would be cool it's at least worth a try ok
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« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2006, 03:15:08 AM »

hey mobenrad...do you think you could tab out the last solo + outro...cause it sounds spot-on  peace
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« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2006, 06:58:25 PM »

Better solo.. It's not 100% yet, but I guess isn't that bad:

http://www.perfectcrimegnr.com/downloads/Teste03.mp3

This is me playing the guitars on Rhiad along with the Osaka audio:
http://www.perfectcrimegnr.com/downloads/Rhiad_Voodoo_GNR.mp3

Same recording as above, but only with guitars:
http://www.perfectcrimegnr.com/downloads/Rhiad_Voodoo.mp3
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« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2006, 07:29:48 PM »

ok so is this drop d, down 1 1/2 steps on the low e and 1/2 step on the rest? or just drop d
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« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2006, 10:55:20 AM »

It's the following:

Db-Ab-Db-Gb-Bb-Eb
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« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2006, 04:09:24 PM »

It's the following:

Db-Ab-Db-Gb-Bb-Eb

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« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2006, 06:59:21 AM »

My version of the Better verse has a tiny variation on the B string.
I tried posting my version of the verse, but the text formatting kept screwing up the tab even worse than it already is (a little crooked, but you get the gist), so I uploaded the text file to yousendit:
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« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2006, 08:08:24 PM »

Better solo.. It's not 100% yet, but I guess isn't that bad:

http://www.perfectcrimegnr.com/downloads/Teste03.mp3

This is me playing the guitars on Rhiad along with the Osaka audio:
http://www.perfectcrimegnr.com/downloads/Rhiad_Voodoo_GNR.mp3

Same recording as above, but only with guitars:
http://www.perfectcrimegnr.com/downloads/Rhiad_Voodoo.mp3

dude, could you please post the tab for rhiad, it sounds fuckin awesome, great work man
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« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2006, 10:14:31 AM »

dude, could you please post the tab for rhiad, it sounds fuckin awesome, great work man
Hehe, thanks.. I don't know if what I played is 100% correct, but I can try to tab it this weekend dude. Smiley
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« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2006, 04:53:01 PM »

dude, could you please post the tab for rhiad, it sounds fuckin awesome, great work man
Hehe, thanks.. I don't know if what I played is 100% correct, but I can try to tab it this weekend dude. Smiley
thanks man, i cant wait.for some reason, the song sounds so much better with the guitar standing out more.
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« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2006, 03:52:30 PM »

you should really work on your timing... use a click or something... its so untight... do yourself a favour, because on the other hand you seem to get the right notes... don't ruin this by beiing utterly out of time ok
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« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2006, 12:54:14 PM »

you should really work on your timing... use a click or something... its so untight... do yourself a favour, because on the other hand you seem to get the right notes... don't ruin this by beiing utterly out of time ok

 Shocked   utterly out of time ?  -   have you ever heard Classic Music, like Bach  ?  do US a favor, listen first then come back talk about  ruining time  ok   and btw,  do you play something?   would you correct Robin's ,  Bach's  ruining time? 
 
 

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Those are fucking awesome recordings. You guys are great at what you sayI have an ever progressing instrumental of "Better" i'm working on, with horribly ad libbed solos that were as close as i could get to how the original sounds, which aren't close but anyway. I think I'm just going to give up on trying that song while I'm ahead. Keep up the great work all of you
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« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2006, 11:15:15 PM »

Thaks ben114. I'll post a new version soon, with better rhythm and solos...

you should really work on your timing... use a click or something... its so untight... do yourself a favour, because on the other hand you seem to get the right notes... don't ruin this by beiing utterly out of time ok

 Shocked   utterly out of time ?  -   have you ever heard Classic Music, like Bach  ?  do US a favor, listen first then come back talk about  ruining time  ok   and btw,  do you play something?   would you correct Robin's ,  Bach's  ruining time? 
Thanks honey, always being nice to me...  Kiss Smiley

For this whiny guy...

I may was out of time a little, but to be "utterly" sounds really rude.

BTW, about my guitar sound, you should know it's not made with real amps, but just Amplitube plugin on Adobe Audition. I would have notice this...

All this is just made for fun, not for trying to sound pro. The accoustic was to my gf. The other ones, were just recorded fast enough because I got bored. Also, having to recording with flat guitar and then adding distortion and fx later really takes A LOT of control, but you also didn't want to think about that before acting like a smartass.

Thanks for the "good ear" part, tho. But you should do yourself a favor if you could be nice with people you don't know.
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« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2006, 07:33:36 AM »

you should really work on your timing... use a click or something... its so untight... do yourself a favour, because on the other hand you seem to get the right notes... don't ruin this by beiing utterly out of time ok

 Shocked? ?utterly out of time ?? -? ?have you ever heard Classic Music, like Bach? ?? do US a favor, listen first then come back talk about? ruining time? ok? ?and btw,? do you play something?? ?would you correct Robin's ,? Bach's? ruining time??
 



robin is an amazing guitar player; i have always pointed that out; and for bach: the "brandenburgischen konzerte" are in my cd player right now; perfect music for a sunday morning breakfast... but what has bach to do with timing in popular music? yeah, maybe that playing bach to your metronom is one of the best ways to practice beeing "tight" like 80's jeans... 
 

 
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« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2006, 07:42:47 AM »

Thaks ben114. I'll post a new version soon, with better rhythm and solos...

you should really work on your timing... use a click or something... its so untight... do yourself a favour, because on the other hand you seem to get the right notes... don't ruin this by beiing utterly out of time ok

 Shocked? ?utterly out of time ?? -? ?have you ever heard Classic Music, like Bach? ?? do US a favor, listen first then come back talk about? ruining time? ok? ?and btw,? do you play something?? ?would you correct Robin's ,? Bach's? ruining time??
Thanks honey, always being nice to me...? Kiss Smiley

For this whiny guy...

I may was out of time a little, but to be "utterly" sounds really rude.

BTW, about my guitar sound, you should know it's not made with real amps, but just Amplitube plugin on Adobe Audition. I would have notice this...

All this is just made for fun, not for trying to sound pro. The accoustic was to my gf. The other ones, were just recorded fast enough because I got bored. Also, having to recording with flat guitar and then adding distortion and fx later really takes A LOT of control, but you also didn't want to think about that before acting like a smartass.

Thanks for the "good ear" part, tho. But you should do yourself a favor if you could be nice with people you don't know.


sorry, just wanted you to see what you might do better... should have been a constructive critique; there's no use in buttering s.o. up; as i wrote in the e-mail: you seem to be having the right musical feel(ing), but your timing IS really bad; that's a fact; its not about being perfectionistic: but in that quality, what could be a nice approach, is simply ruined; improve your timing and you'll have something really cool to be proud of; that's all i'm saying; besides: you posted this song to be discussed... that's what i did; if i thought it was nothing but shit i would not have taken my time to write to you,

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« Reply #56 on: November 05, 2006, 08:09:20 AM »


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BTW, about my guitar sound, you should know it's not made with real amps, but just Amplitube plugin on Adobe Audition. I would have notice this...

Also, having to recording with flat guitar and then adding distortion and fx later really takes A LOT of control, but you also didn't want to think about that before acting like a smartass.


and for the smartass: i told you to improve the sound... so i probably did notice it... smoking

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« Reply #57 on: November 05, 2006, 08:15:43 AM »

you should really work on your timing... use a click or something... its so untight... do yourself a favour, because on the other hand you seem to get the right notes... don't ruin this by beiing utterly out of time ok

 Shocked? ?utterly out of time ?? -? ?have you ever heard Classic Music, like Bach? ?? do US a favor, listen first then come back talk about? ruining time? ok? ?and btw,? do you play something?? ?would you correct Robin's ,? Bach's? ruining time??
 

and one more post: listen to this guy which played in my band... he used to practice alot to BACH, he also varies the time... but is not out of it... listen to the second half of the clip...

link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZseSo2Qrtpo
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« Reply #58 on: November 05, 2006, 10:00:15 AM »

It's funny, really. This is not a fact, it's your opinion. I did show the songs for some other players and asked about the time, because all I could see was recording issues. Of course, they noticed the timing stuff, but not THAT bad like you said. Also, they made it clear how they understand about the recording process I have to make and how this can be bad for tone, bends, sustain and, of course, tempo.

Yeah, of course this is all about criticism. But once again, you fail to understand the main intention here. To put this video of this guy playing just shows how you misunderstood what I said. Funny too how you put the same video in this other thread..

Yeah, the guy is good, is super fast, has technique, bla bla bla. I'm not him. If I'm that bad, just stop listen what I record. But please, stop trying to state your opinions as fact.
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« Reply #59 on: November 05, 2006, 11:09:54 AM »

It's funny, really. This is not a fact, it's your opinion. I did show the songs for some other players and asked about the time, because all I could see was recording issues. Of course, they noticed the timing stuff, but not THAT bad like you said. Also, they made it clear how they understand about the recording process I have to make and how this can be bad for tone, bends, sustain and, of course, tempo.

Yeah, of course this is all about criticism. But once again, you fail to understand the main intention here. To put this video of this guy playing just shows how you misunderstood what I said. Funny too how you put the same video in this other thread..

Yeah, the guy is good, is super fast, has technique, bla bla bla. I'm not him. If I'm that bad, just stop listen what I record. But please, stop trying to state your opinions as fact.


o.k:

i could say this: when it comes to measurable things, you can talk about facts, not only opinions; metric is measurable and you can judge "objectively"; 

but i'd rather put it this way: i listened to your rhiad version first: and i thought "wow, this is really a cool guitar riff, never heard it that clearly on the live-versions..."; then i listened to your "better", and i thought, wow, better as an unplugged version shows how great the songwriting in that one is; i heard your voice and thought it was sweet; not perfect but quite touchy; it seemed as an authentic expression of certain feelings that are in this song... i LIKED IT... and thought that it was quite remarkable to get the exact notes, record that and then put a link to it... but although i somewhat liked it, i could not listen to it, because when timing is bad, it's quite like somebody missing the notes all of the time; so i suggested that with your potential this could be much "BETTER"... maybe i was egoistic because I wanted to listen to that unplugged version more often... so take it as a compliment...
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« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2006, 11:37:25 AM »

Yet, the perception of the tempo is not "objectively". But let me try to understand your point here...

I guess you're talkin about the rhythm on Better. Well, I was recording it while listening and trying to following the demo. I recorded the rhythm in one take and I noticed it was out of tempo sometimes, but like I said, it was recording issues. Even so, I thought it was worthy for my girlfriend, so I uploaded it. She loved and wanted me to show to others, so I posted here. I didn't bother to record it again because I was too lazy to do it.

Not a big deal, but not also that bad. At least for the majority of people who have heard. Unless they are all lying and even my mind (and ears) are playing tricks.

Also, of course it's not the exact notes, but oh well..  I'm sorry I couldn't be better for you.
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« Reply #61 on: November 05, 2006, 12:09:33 PM »

you should really work on your timing... use a click or something... its so untight... do yourself a favour, because on the other hand you seem to get the right notes... don't ruin this by beiing utterly out of time ok

 Shocked   utterly out of time ?  -   have you ever heard Classic Music, like Bach  ?  do US a favor, listen first then come back talk about  ruining time  ok   and btw,  do you play something?   would you correct Robin's ,  Bach's  ruining time? 
 



robin is an amazing guitar player; i have always pointed that out; and for bach: the "brandenburgischen konzerte" are in my cd player right now; perfect music for a sunday morning breakfast... but what has bach to do with timing in popular music? yeah, maybe that playing bach to your metronom is one of the best ways to practice beeing "tight" like 80's jeans... 
 

 

You are so sure of yourself, that I should just be  uh ha .. to your smartass, as far as music concern... Rock comes from Classic .... we~re not taking a decade to talk about time and pause ( since music measures the same), but you know what...  you are right, your ear is way better, your Bach record is probably something else.... your friend should play for your Sunday; Saturday breakfast morning  ok     hihi
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« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2006, 01:33:27 PM »

you should really work on your timing... use a click or something... its so untight... do yourself a favour, because on the other hand you seem to get the right notes... don't ruin this by beiing utterly out of time ok

 Shocked? ?utterly out of time ?? -? ?have you ever heard Classic Music, like Bach? ?? do US a favor, listen first then come back talk about? ruining time? ok? ?and btw,? do you play something?? ?would you correct Robin's ,? Bach's? ruining time??
 



robin is an amazing guitar player; i have always pointed that out; and for bach: the "brandenburgischen konzerte" are in my cd player right now; perfect music for a sunday morning breakfast... but what has bach to do with timing in popular music? yeah, maybe that playing bach to your metronom is one of the best ways to practice beeing "tight" like 80's jeans...?
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You are so sure of yourself, that I should just be? uh ha .. to your smartass, as far as music concern... Rock comes from Classic .... we~re not taking a decade to talk about time and pause ( since music measures the same), but you know what...? you are right, your ear is way better, your Bach record is probably something else.... your friend should play for your Sunday; Saturday breakfast morning? ok? ? ?hihi
Alright man, you are the one.... peace
Peace 4 u 2? ok peace

 
this is your way of discussing things? offending and then getting out of the discours by being sarcastic?

nice.

ps: i was only judging music from someone at the board, not assaulting people. and it was you who thought would know better... so the whole thing is kinda absurd.
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« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2006, 09:34:41 AM »

thanks guys i'm gonna try them out tonight ...... sladdi's looks to make the most sense though but i'll play em all and weigh in for the hell of it hihi
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« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2006, 10:41:28 AM »

mobenrad, yours is definitely wrong.

voodoochilds version is nearly correct, i think just the middle part isn't...

E--18--18--18?18?18?18?18-----18?18?18?18?18---18
B--20--22--20?22?20?22?20-----22---------22---20---22?20



B--18--20--18?20?18?17?18--
G--19--19--19?19?19?19?19?


should be:


E--15--15--15?15?15?15?15--
B--18--20--18?20?18?17?18?


E---0----0-----0?--0?-
B--15---17---18?-20?

i played this last night but i didn't have the track with me to listen to so i tried to go from memory and now that i have it to listen to i'm pretty sure it's more like....

E: 18--18--18?18?18?18?18-----18-18-18-15-15
B: 20--22--20?22?20?22?20-----20-22-20-18-20

E: 15--15--15----15--15----15--15
B: 18--20--18----20--18----17--18

E: 15---15---15---15
B: 15---17---18---20

EDIT: I messed around on the weekend and fixed the tab above....i think that is right, at least it sounds right to me Undecided
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« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2006, 10:38:23 AM »

Sorry, I tested it here but I really don't think this part is correct:

E:15-15
B:18-20 ...

E: 15--15--15----15--15----15--15
B: 18--20--18----20--18----17--18

It would rather be

E: 15-16-15
B: 13-13-13....
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