Rolling Stone - The Axl Rose Edict

[Tommie]

wow, some of the people on rolling stone sound like us:

>nico1138 | 2/1/2007, 8:19 pm EST
>In the last GNR british tour, during Paradise City, Axl Rose lost his voice, and Sebastian Bach replace him.
>in that moment, none of the band memers playing on stage were Guns n Roses.
>THAT?S A TRIBUTE BAND, NOT GUNS N ROSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! !!!

>bob | 2/1/2007, 8:04 pm EST
>GNR is not GNR with Axl and four studio musicians.

>Nick | 2/1/2007, 8:02 pm EST
>Slash was 50% of the creative force behind GN?R. The fact that Axl has failed to release a GN?R album since Slash?s >departure is testament to this. In fact, Axl?s lack of activity was one of the reasons that drove Slash to leave!
>barrel | 2/1/2007, 7:55 pm EST

>why cant all band breakups be like rage against the machines? break up, make new decent band, then reunite >when we really start to miss ya

>roo | 2/1/2007, 7:49 pm EST
>gnr is not gnr without both slash and axl

[Tommie]

It sorta pisses me off though with the axl rose edict, b/c it short changes alot of contributions made by slash, duff, and especially IZZY!  I mean dont get me wrong, yes Axl is a very talented guy, and he did contribute alot but there are atleast four other people he shares a stage with.  As much as I love the new music and band, I hate to see everyone else get shortchanged.

[BurningHills]

Rolling Stone still sucks, but they just scored a few points with me! 

[jarmo]

wow, some of the people on rolling stone sound like us:

>nico1138 | 2/1/2007, 8:19 pm EST
>In the last GNR british tour, during Paradise City, Axl Rose lost his voice, and Sebastian Bach replace him.
>in that moment, none of the band memers playing on stage were Guns n Roses.
>THAT?S A TRIBUTE BAND, NOT GUNS N ROSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! !!!

Most real fans would know that Izzy was on stage a that point.


You know, one Mr. Izzy Stradlin. Maybe it rings a bell to some people...


/jarmo

[BurningHills]

wow, some of the people on rolling stone sound like us:

>nico1138 | 2/1/2007, 8:19 pm EST
>In the last GNR british tour, during Paradise City, Axl Rose lost his voice, and Sebastian Bach replace him.
>in that moment, none of the band memers playing on stage were Guns n Roses.
>THAT?S A TRIBUTE BAND, NOT GUNS N ROSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! !!!

Most real fans would know that Izzy was on stage a that point.


You know, one Mr. Izzy Stradlin. Maybe it rings a bell to some people...


/jarmo

A real fan would also know that Axl was ill and collapsed - he didn't lose his voice.

[jarmo]

True.

But you know, who needs actual facts when you can make shit up.... 



/jarmo

[bigblue88112]

So they wrote something that pertained to GN'R AND music in general.

RS just moved up two notches, from zero to two.

Only to move back down in several days...

[JuicySwoos]

I think it comes down to defining "creative force".  If it means the person that "forced" the creation, regardless of who actually  created it (riffs, music, lyrics, etc), then The Axl Rose Edict is a valid one,  as you could argue that it was Axl Rose, even though he didn't write everything,  who essentially "forced" the creation into what we know today. This would especially pertain to the 91-94 time period of the band.

If "creative force" is who actually did the creating, then perhaps RS is giving Axl too much credit. 

[chineseblues]

I think it comes down to defining "creative force".  If it means the person that "forced" the creation, regardless of who actually  created it (riffs, music, lyrics, etc), then The Axl Rose Edict is a valid one,  as you could argue that it was Axl Rose, even though he didn't write everything,  who essentially "forced" the creation into what we know today. This would especially pertain to the 91-94 time period of the band.

If "creative force" is who actually did the creating, then perhaps RS is giving Axl too much credit. 

If you look at the writing credits, Axl is credited for having written more Lyrics and music then anyone else in the band. So therefore he is/was the creative force behind the band.

[doooodickiebr]

agreed!

[michaelvincent]

haha that article is awesome and pretty spot on.

the only exception to the van halen rule would be the Gary Cherone-era, which pretty much every van halen fan pretends never happened.

i know there are a few bands that had no original members left. i might be completely wrong but i remember at some point Quiet Riot replaced Kevin Dubrow for a short period with Paul Shortino at a time when the rest of the band where not original members (ie: randy rhodes, kelly garni, or drew forsythe). I never understood how that worked.

[misterID]

haha that article is awesome and pretty spot on.

the only exception to the van halen rule would be the Gary Cherone-era, which pretty much every van halen fan pretends never happened.

i know there are a few bands that had no original members left. i might be completely wrong but i remember at some point Quiet Riot replaced Kevin Dubrow for a short period with Paul Shortino at a time when the rest of the band where not original members (ie: randy rhodes, kelly garni, or drew forsythe). I never understood how that worked.

Garry Cherone was in Van Halen? I... don't know what you're talking about...

I guess the people at RS are split on Axl. They love him one month and hate him the next.

[D]

It all goes back to what Ive stated since day one here.


I am one of the biggest Axl supporters and fans in the world, but I dont think its right or fair to shortchange the other band members.

U don't have to slag off the Original band to love the new band and a True GNR fan would know the contributions of the original members and not shortchange them either.

[jazjme]

It all goes back to what Ive stated since day one here.


I am one of the biggest Axl supporters and fans in the world, but I dont think its right or fair to shortchange the other band members.

totally agree!

U don't have to slag off the Original band to love the new band and a True GNR fan would know the contributions of the original members and not shortchange them either.

[Jim Bob]

It sorta pisses me off though with the axl rose edict, b/c it short changes alot of contributions made by slash, duff, and especially IZZY!  I mean dont get me wrong, yes Axl is a very talented guy, and he did contribute alot but there are atleast four other people he shares a stage with.  As much as I love the new music and band, I hate to see everyone else get shortchanged.

Nobody is getting shortchanged, christ. 

They are simply justifying why Axl Rose can carry on Guns N' Roses.   Its what he has done here, there is no dispute.   In 2006, I saw Guns 4 times.   

[JuicySwoos]

I think it comes down to defining "creative force".? If it means the person that "forced" the creation, regardless of who actually? created it (riffs, music, lyrics, etc), then The Axl Rose Edict is a valid one,? as you could argue that it was Axl Rose, even though he didn't write everything,? who essentially "forced" the creation into what we know today. This would especially pertain to the 91-94 time period of the band.

If "creative force" is who actually did the creating, then perhaps RS is giving Axl too much credit.?

If you look at the writing credits, Axl is credited for having written more Lyrics and music then anyone else in the band. So therefore he is/was the creative force behind the band.

See, it depends on how one defines creative force.  You define it as whom ever created "the most".  If thats how you define it, and I'm not saying you're wrong, then yes he is the creative force.  I consider Axl the creative force because of the first cenario, as he is also doing it with the current lineup.  Although I do not know who exactly has written what on the new material, but I assume Axl did not "create" all of it.  Maybe he wrote most of it, but even if he only wrote some of it,  he is still the one who brings it all together.  He seems to bring the band's ideas and contributions together, for this lineup and the old, thus being the creative force behind it. Bands name, GNR.

[Grouse]

  I wonder how long it will take before this thread get moved to the dead horse section....

[D]

I think it comes down to defining "creative force".? If it means the person that "forced" the creation, regardless of who actually? created it (riffs, music, lyrics, etc), then The Axl Rose Edict is a valid one,? as you could argue that it was Axl Rose, even though he didn't write everything,? who essentially "forced" the creation into what we know today. This would especially pertain to the 91-94 time period of the band.

If "creative force" is who actually did the creating, then perhaps RS is giving Axl too much credit.?

If you look at the writing credits, Axl is credited for having written more Lyrics and music then anyone else in the band. So therefore he is/was the creative force behind the band.

See, it depends on how one defines creative force.? You define it as whom ever created "the most".? If thats how you define it, and I'm not saying you're wrong, then yes he is the creative force.? I consider Axl the creative force because of the first cenario, as he is also doing it with the current lineup.? Although I do not know who exactly has written what on the new material, but I assume Axl did not "create" all of it.? Maybe he wrote most of it, but even if he only wrote some of it,? he is still the one who brings it all together.? He seems to bring the band's ideas and contributions together, for this lineup and the old, thus being the creative force behind it. Bands name, GNR.

Ok so Axl was the guitarst, Bassist, Drummer and Producer of AFD and UYI's and Lies............................



He contributed but I personally feel Izzy and Slash contributed just as much as Axl did.

If Axl had CC Deville laying down his riffs, We more than likely wouldn't be on here worshipping him today. remember that!

[JuicySwoos]

I think it comes down to defining "creative force".? If it means the person that "forced" the creation, regardless of who actually? created it (riffs, music, lyrics, etc), then The Axl Rose Edict is a valid one,? as you could argue that it was Axl Rose, even though he didn't write everything,? who essentially "forced" the creation into what we know today. This would especially pertain to the 91-94 time period of the band.

If "creative force" is who actually did the creating, then perhaps RS is giving Axl too much credit.?

If you look at the writing credits, Axl is credited for having written more Lyrics and music then anyone else in the band. So therefore he is/was the creative force behind the band.

See, it depends on how one defines creative force.? You define it as whom ever created "the most".? If thats how you define it, and I'm not saying you're wrong, then yes he is the creative force.? I consider Axl the creative force because of the first cenario, as he is also doing it with the current lineup.? Although I do not know who exactly has written what on the new material, but I assume Axl did not "create" all of it.? Maybe he wrote most of it, but even if he only wrote some of it,? he is still the one who brings it all together.? He seems to bring the band's ideas and contributions together, for this lineup and the old, thus being the creative force behind it. Bands name, GNR.

Ok so Axl was the guitarst, Bassist, Drummer and Producer of AFD and UYI's and Lies............................



He contributed but I personally feel Izzy and Slash contributed just as much as Axl did.

If Axl had CC Deville laying down his riffs, We more than likely wouldn't be on here worshipping him today. remember that!

Hmm, in no way did I imply that Axl did all of those things, nor did I mean that Axl's contributions were more important than any of the band members, past or present.  I just consider creative force more than the act of writing, playing, producing, etc, and put more emphasize on who is "forcing" the creation, which is why I bring up the 91-94 period, as that seemed to be Axl's vision of the band, the epic videos, horn sections, etc. 

Oh, and the whole CC Deville thing, that kind of logic can go on and on and doesn't prove much.  CC deville would most likely destroy any band.  What if he was born 20 years earlier and was in Zepplin? Or Aerosmith? Or the Beatles? Or the Stones?

[Jim Bob]

If Axl had CC Deville laying down his riffs, We more than likely wouldn't be on here worshipping him today. remember that!

you dont know that.

this is a stupid fucking argument.

and its turning into a whether or not this band should be called Guns N Roses. 

Its 2007, I dont give a fuck or even want to talk about Slash or Duff.    I dont need to remember shit.  They aren't in the band, they left.  I dont give a flying fuck about what happened 20 years ago.   It doesn't matter now.