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« Reply #620 on: April 13, 2012, 01:44:31 PM »

Another thing that hasn't changed: Axl.


Thank God for that.




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Indeed. This is why I respect the man so much. His integrity and ability to stick to his beliefs are unmatched by any other human being.

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« Reply #621 on: April 13, 2012, 01:46:39 PM »

Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.
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« Reply #622 on: April 13, 2012, 01:58:59 PM »

Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Never said that. Just pointed out how it was ok for GN'R to do things their way back in the day, and when similar things happen later without the old members in the band, it's suddenly a bigger deal for some fans.




Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Tough call. He plays on Ten, which is their most known album and also on some of their most known songs. But, as you pointed out, he wasn't in the band for long.

So which is more important? Playing on the "hit" album, or longevity?

If the RNRHOF uses the formula used for GN'R, he will be included.


The problem is that I don't understand their criteria. Other than "let's go for the one that gets us the most publicity".




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« Reply #623 on: April 13, 2012, 02:06:10 PM »




The problem is that I don't understand their criteria. Other than "let's go for the one that gets us the most publicity".




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame#Hall_of_Fame

Ha! There is no criteria. Read the "Controversies" section of the RnRHOF Wiki page, especially Fleetwood Mac. Some interesting choices they've made in the past.
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« Reply #624 on: April 13, 2012, 02:07:54 PM »

Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Just to add my two cents, Krusen would get my (imaginary)vote.
I guess I'm biased, I think Ten was their strongest effort, but it certainly propelled them to stardom.

Matt Cameron is probably my favorite active drummer today, but he wouldn't get my vote to be inducted w/PJ, as they were already established long before his arrival.

He should be getting in w/Soundgarden if the HOF has any sense anyways. Who knows, though. They are all over the place.
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« Reply #625 on: April 13, 2012, 02:09:11 PM »

Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Just to add my two cents, Krusen would get my (imaginary)vote.
I guess I'm biased, I think Ten was their strongest effort, but it certainly propelled them to stardom.

Matt Cameron is probably my favorite active drummer today, but he wouldn't get my vote to be inducted w/PJ, as they were already established long before his arrival.

He should be getting in w/Soundgarden if the HOF has any sense anyways. Who knows, though. They are all over the place.

I really think you'll see Matt Cameron get in with both bands.
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« Reply #626 on: April 13, 2012, 02:12:26 PM »

Really happy for Axl.

Congrats for doing what you do. He knew the backlash was going to come and stood in the face of everyone and said Fu*k You!!! 

Axl is the last great Rock N Roll Frontman.
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« Reply #627 on: April 13, 2012, 02:13:45 PM »

Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Just to add my two cents, Krusen would get my (imaginary)vote.
I guess I'm biased, I think Ten was their strongest effort, but it certainly propelled them to stardom.

Matt Cameron is probably my favorite active drummer today, but he wouldn't get my vote to be inducted w/PJ, as they were already established long before his arrival.

He should be getting in w/Soundgarden if the HOF has any sense anyways. Who knows, though. They are all over the place.

I really think you'll see Matt Cameron get in with both bands.

Knowing the HOF he won't. Pearl Jam and Soundgarden may not get in for a looooooong time. Too many better bands waiting in line.
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« Reply #628 on: April 13, 2012, 02:13:57 PM »

Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Just to add my two cents, Krusen would get my (imaginary)vote.
I guess I'm biased, I think Ten was their strongest effort, but it certainly propelled them to stardom.

Matt Cameron is probably my favorite active drummer today, but he wouldn't get my vote to be inducted w/PJ, as they were already established long before his arrival.

He should be getting in w/Soundgarden if the HOF has any sense anyways. Who knows, though. They are all over the place.

I really think you'll see Matt Cameron get in with both bands.

Yeah , wouldn't surprise me.
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« Reply #629 on: April 13, 2012, 03:18:48 PM »



No.

/jarmo


So don't say/assume he's pretending he's happy for the induction of the afd line up or whatever. Stinson would be glad if Axl shows up  yes Roll Eyes


Anyway, who cares... I just hope it will be a good show. Slash, duff, steven, matt dizzy hopefully izzy and... Axl rising from the shadows hihi
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« Reply #630 on: April 13, 2012, 03:31:06 PM »

What the fuck are you talking about?

I never said he's pretending to be happy for the old band.

Don't pull stuff out of your ass just because you're still living in a fantasy world.





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« Reply #631 on: April 13, 2012, 03:51:23 PM »

Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Just to add my two cents, Krusen would get my (imaginary)vote.
I guess I'm biased, I think Ten was their strongest effort, but it certainly propelled them to stardom.

Matt Cameron is probably my favorite active drummer today, but he wouldn't get my vote to be inducted w/PJ, as they were already established long before his arrival.

He should be getting in w/Soundgarden if the HOF has any sense anyways. Who knows, though. They are all over the place.

I really think you'll see Matt Cameron get in with both bands.

Knowing the HOF he won't. Pearl Jam and Soundgarden may not get in for a looooooong time. Too many better bands waiting in line.

Pearl Jam 'Ten' is an influential release. They will be HOF'ed in 2016.

Soundgarden have not been mentioned
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« Reply #632 on: April 13, 2012, 04:17:52 PM »

Jarmo,

Please tell me you really don't believe josh freese should be inducted? I can understand the case for tommy.

Never said that. Just pointed out how it was ok for GN'R to do things their way back in the day, and when similar things happen later without the old members in the band, it's suddenly a bigger deal for some fans.




Out of curiosity jarmo, when it comes time for pearl jam to be inducted do you think they will induct Dave krusen? He was gone before ten was released.

Tough call. He plays on Ten, which is their most known album and also on some of their most known songs. But, as you pointed out, he wasn't in the band for long.

So which is more important? Playing on the "hit" album, or longevity?

If the RNRHOF uses the formula used for GN'R, he will be included.


The problem is that I don't understand their criteria. Other than "let's go for the one that gets us the most publicity".




Is Tommy a liar?

No.

Are you?



/jarmo

Personally I feel that the people who should go in are the people who contributed the most to the legacy of the band. That should be the criteria. Dave Krusen played on 10 which made the band huge so he should be in. In terms of GNR, the original 5.

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« Reply #633 on: April 13, 2012, 04:30:09 PM »

If they want to induct GNR based on AFD, why not have a category within the HOF to induct just whole albums.  That way the album gets inducted (and not people) and there is no controversy.  I think this makes more sense than inducting band members.

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« Reply #634 on: April 13, 2012, 04:34:38 PM »

Axl was so honored to induct and speak for Elton John at the 1994 Hall Of Fame. He thought it meant something then. A lot of people on here were saying positive things about the HOF until Axl decided it was not worth his time for whatever reason and then the posts started becoming negative about the Hall. I have been a fan since the beginning and really feel let down as I'm sure a lot of you do, but just pretend like it is the rocking cool rebel thing to do....yeah whatever. I'm sure no one will agree with me but oh well.   Lips Sealed

I've said the same.  The ppl who say it is so cool that he said "no" would also likely be on here saying how cool it was if he had said "yes".

Well Axl is the one who has to deal with the situation firsthand so I don't see anything wrong with supporting his choice either way. Of course we don't know what his specific issues were, but the Hall hasn't always shown respect to the bands they're honoring (and has neglected some deserving bands altogether), and it has diminished the meaning of the honor over the years.  Personally I think they should limit it to those who were most responsible for producing the bulk of the music.  In this case it would be Axl, Izzy, Slash, and Duff. They were there from the beginning, for more than one album, and wrote + performed the most songs. But if they're going to arbitrarily include Steven (one album, didn't write anything), Matt and Dizzy (not original members, didn't write anything), etc., I guess it wouldn't be a stretch to include the new band, too.
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« Reply #635 on: April 13, 2012, 04:54:58 PM »

If they want to induct GNR based on AFD, why not have a category within the HOF to induct just whole albums.  That way the album gets inducted (and not people) and there is no controversy.  I think this makes more sense than inducting band members.

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Yeah, but you would have the same bands getting inducted over and over for albums. For example, Led Zeppelin. Their first 4 albums at least could be in. That would get a tad repetitive.
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« Reply #636 on: April 13, 2012, 04:59:04 PM »

If they want to induct GNR based on AFD, why not have a category within the HOF to induct just whole albums.  That way the album gets inducted (and not people) and there is no controversy.  I think this makes more sense than inducting band members.

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Yeah, but you would have the same bands getting inducted over and over for albums. For example, Led Zeppelin. Their first 4 albums at least could be in. That would get a tad repetitive.

but nobody said they are getting inducted just for AFD, they should just leave the the HOF the way it is.  It is to honor the band.  The GNR situation is not exactly a common one, and probably not one that is going to happen again for a long time.  Sure there are always going to be artists who dont show up and have drama and all that, but the whole "which members deserve it" thing is not generally a problem as most bands dont have a complete turnover in the band members.

My opinion is do what Metallica did, they said if you played on a record you should get in.  I do think that policy fucked Dave Mustaine over in a way, as he played on their demo that got them signed, and also developed the bands sound with James, not to mention wrote a ton of material on the debut and follow up records.  But in most cases the "if you played on a record" policy should work.
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« Reply #637 on: April 13, 2012, 05:07:45 PM »

I don't get why people just can't let it go.

Speculate all you want. Waste your time and energy on this.

NO REUNION. It's over. Let it go. Whatever the reason, whoever is responsible. Who cares?

It what it is.
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« Reply #638 on: April 13, 2012, 05:35:18 PM »


NO REUNION.

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« Reply #639 on: April 13, 2012, 05:46:59 PM »

So who will replace Axl if the rest of the guys need a singer

http://popdust.com/2012/04/12/guns-n-roses-axl-rose-rock-hall-performance-scott-weiland-lana-del-ray/

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Kid Rock 5/1
Josh Todd 15/1
Fred Durst 25/1
Lana Del Ray 50/1
Axl Rose 75/1

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