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« Reply #8260 on: November 27, 2020, 11:23:11 AM »

If Im buying its a CD. Im not paying for bytes.

You're paying for the plastic and booklet. The actual music is in bytes...

It's a digital format. Unlike regular cassette tapes and vinyls.

But yeah, you want a physical object instead of a file somewhere in the cloud for you to listen to.


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« Reply #8261 on: November 27, 2020, 12:11:49 PM »

If Im buying its a CD. Im not paying for bytes.

You're paying for the plastic and booklet. The actual music is in bytes...

It's a digital format. Unlike regular cassette tapes and vinyls.

But yeah, you want a physical object instead of a file somewhere in the cloud for you to listen to.


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I want both.  Get my cd's off Amazon.  Immediately there for me to play in the house and the CD coming later for me or a gift. 

Some of my gift friends have shitty taste in music.  hihi  Only reason that's in my Amazon file.
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« Reply #8262 on: November 27, 2020, 12:31:55 PM »

I get it. I like collecting CDs as well. And even LPs in some cases.


There's nothing like a physical release.

Going to record stores, browsing, finding that one album you were looking for, getting to listen to is, reading the booklet.... Smiley




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« Reply #8263 on: November 27, 2020, 01:28:49 PM »

Right now Iíd buy a frickin dog turd if it contained new gnr tunes
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« Reply #8264 on: November 27, 2020, 01:33:02 PM »

 
Right now Iíd buy a frickin dog turd if it contained new gnr tunes

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« Reply #8265 on: November 27, 2020, 04:10:52 PM »



CDs are kind of lame, when you think about it.

artwork is small, the material is cheap, it can be easily damaged
as anything who came before, and it's kind of ugly if you compare
it to vinyl records.

I prefer vinyl, and I like cassettes too, because it forced you to listen
to the whole thing, in order, face A then B, as the artist intended you to.

of course it was boring to select a particular track, and the magnetic
tape was fragile.  hihi





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« Reply #8266 on: November 27, 2020, 07:07:18 PM »


of course it was boring to select a particular track, and the magnetic
tape was fragile.  hihi


Not only are cassettes fragile, but they're a pain in the ass to make copies of.. so you usually don't bother. Then the original eventually breaks and you're screwed. With CDs it's super easy to digitize and burn multiple copies. You're also not losing sound quality between copies as you would with cassettes.
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« Reply #8267 on: November 27, 2020, 10:47:23 PM »

Going to record stores, browsing, finding that one album you were looking for, getting to listen to is, reading the booklet.... Smiley

This is something kids of this generation don't understand.  The actual act of going to the record stores was a big part of the fun buying a new album.

Record stores were magical places was I when growing up.  I would spend hours just looking around and listening to things.  My local mall once had 3 or 4 music stores within its walls, now you have to scour the earth just to find one music store.

I prefer vinyl, and I like cassettes too, because it forced you to listen
to the whole thing............tape was fragile.

Vinyl offered better artwork for sure, but once I started buying CDs, I never went back.  Reminiscing on vinyl now, I can't stand the sound of white noise.  I have to have the clean CD audio.

My cassettes would inevitably break no longer how I played them; a big cassette desk, a walkman, car cassette player, etc, and I often had to buy the same album repeatedly because of this.  Also, I always HATED having to constantly rewind back and forth to play my favorites songs.
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« Reply #8268 on: November 28, 2020, 01:43:07 PM »



see, cassettes are perfect for artists : difficult to copy, and
you buy the same thing over and over because it breaks  hihi
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« Reply #8269 on: November 29, 2020, 11:16:04 AM »

Maybe I'm a geezer, but can any of you making the claim please explain to me how/why cassettes are difficult to copy?  Huh

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« Reply #8270 on: November 29, 2020, 05:07:19 PM »

Maybe I'm a geezer, but can any of you making the claim please explain to me how/why cassettes are difficult to copy?  Huh



I was thinking the same thing. If you had a double tape deck, which many boom boxes (I canít believe we called them that- haha) did, then it was simple.
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« Reply #8271 on: November 29, 2020, 05:34:57 PM »

Maybe I'm a geezer, but can any of you making the claim please explain to me how/why cassettes are difficult to copy?  Huh



I was thinking the same thing. If you had a double tape deck, which many boom boxes (I canít believe we called them that- haha) did, then it was simple.

Me too, double tape deck.  Works every time. 
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« Reply #8272 on: November 29, 2020, 05:35:54 PM »


I still have my Sony boombox CFD 110L, probably not working anymore, but yeah, it was easy to copy cassettes.

a few years earlier we used them to copy computer games as Amstrad ones for example, too.
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« Reply #8273 on: November 29, 2020, 10:15:41 PM »

Maybe I'm a geezer, but can any of you making the claim please explain to me how/why cassettes are difficult to copy?

Oh, you can "copy" them rather easily, but the question is, what do they actually sound like?  The sound quality is extremely variable.  I had a double tape deck as well, and I never got one to copy without audio shifts and hissing noises.
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« Reply #8274 on: November 30, 2020, 03:40:37 AM »

Maybe I'm a geezer, but can any of you making the claim please explain to me how/why cassettes are difficult to copy?  Huh


Well, with cassettes you basically have to monitor the recording. You have to stop side A in the right place or you get an abrupt ending in the middle of a song. And of course it's all 1x speed so you can't exactly churn out a bunch of copies in a short period of time. You also have to make sure you've got the correct length tape on hand to match your albums. Record a 65 minute album on a 90 minute tape and you've got a bunch of dead air to fast forward thru. Copying CDs just feels like a 'cleaner' and more precise experience to me.

It's not difficult exactly, just tedious. Hence my pain in the ass comment. Smiley

One thing that tapes were great for, though, is recording from FM radio (which used to be good).
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« Reply #8275 on: November 30, 2020, 04:16:59 AM »

One thing that tapes were great for, though, is recording from FM radio (which used to be good).

This is definitely true. I had dozens of great compilation tapes back in the day from recording songs off the radio.
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« Reply #8276 on: November 30, 2020, 08:05:00 AM »

So you're saying the next album will be a tape only release?

Tell us more!  hihi



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« Reply #8277 on: November 30, 2020, 12:48:58 PM »

Lets have every formats so people can by what they want. Vinyls are back because of quality and artwork, casettes are retro, cd is still beeing used in cars, spotify and Tidal are very relevant. GnR have fans that love these formats. For me nothing can be compared with vinyl, mainly because i love to read the booklets and stydy the artwork.

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« Reply #8278 on: November 30, 2020, 01:32:45 PM »

Grab a few! They're great and you support musicians!

Here, let me fix that for you:

Grab a few! They're great and you support the out dated, generally useless, draconian music label system and it's (and this is only slightly hyperbole) indentured servitude of artists!

You are handing artists about 8 cents on the dollar you spend on physical music....and that's if the labels don't find a way to cheat them out of that (and they do, trust me).  Better to throw money in a busker's hat.

Buy merch, see shows, if an indie artist has a self pressed CD...definitely buy that.  Truly, the release of music has become a means to an end, not a way to make money for an artist. Sad...but true.

Sorry, rant over.  The label system is, was, and will forever be a pet peeve of mine.
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« Reply #8279 on: November 30, 2020, 01:48:25 PM »

Going to record stores, browsing, finding that one album you were looking for, getting to listen to is, reading the booklet.... Smiley

This is something kids of this generation don't understand.  The actual act of going to the record stores was a big part of the fun buying a new album.

Record stores were magical places was I when growing up.  I would spend hours just looking around and listening to things.  My local mall once had 3 or 4 music stores within its walls, now you have to scour the earth just to find one music store.

I prefer vinyl, and I like cassettes too, because it forced you to listen
to the whole thing............tape was fragile.

Vinyl offered better artwork for sure, but once I started buying CDs, I never went back.  Reminiscing on vinyl now, I can't stand the sound of white noise.  I have to have the clean CD audio.

My cassettes would inevitably break no longer how I played them; a big cassette desk, a walkman, car cassette player, etc, and I often had to buy the same album repeatedly because of this.  Also, I always HATED having to constantly rewind back and forth to play my favorites songs.

Yes, to all this.

I have an original Live like a Suicide tape from an LA GNR gig that my uncle picked up for me when he was living out there.

I have no earthly clue what shape it's in.  I haven't tried to play it in over a decade.  It's kept in a nice, cool, dry place in a "special" box that is supposed to preserve it.  That cassette has meaning to me that no digital album ever will.  There's a sentimentality to it, especially since my Uncle departed this realm of existence back in the late late 90s.

Physical music copies retain something that digital copies never will.  And the current generation will never get that.  They don't buy albums. They subscribe to streaming services like Spotify.  They don't even buy digital music anymore, really.

But I have to tell you, I still have a hard time buying physical music, today.  It HURTS me to support the label system...and I know that's what I'm doing every time I buy a disc (vinyl or CD).  Streaming, while offering a pittance per stream, actually lets me get MORE money to the artist by streaming their entire catalog regularly.  Sure, it's only half a cent a song....but it's a lot easier to add that up vs the .80 I'll send their way, once, on a physical disc.  Streaming isn't great, and it's still supporting the labels more than the artists, but its better because I can control the volume (no pun intended) of my streaming and get the artists more revenue over time.

I wish more artists would take on their own publication and promotion.  With youtube and tik tok and insta and all the other social media platforms, they have more wherewithal to do that, and less need to rely on the labels, than my generation of artists ever did.  I hope we move into a more streaming and "patreon" type environment that lets me get more money to the artists who's creations I enjoy.  I feel like I've been saying that for a decade now, and we're still not there.  Someday, hopefully.
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