Donald Trump & 2016 Election

[pilferk]

Here's a topic i think, i hope we can all agree sets a dangerous precedent. The CNN reporter banned from the WH today for asking Trump legitimate questions.

Deplorable, and a clear violation of the first amendment. Especially considering the questions she was "banned" for.

I see that many press outlets (including Fox) are condemning the action, which is good.

I would like to see all the networks refuse to send press to any of his events, or attend press briefings, or to carry any of his live comments on anything not directly related to a national security issue, until he relented.  And explain why at every opportunity.

But they won't.  There will be some feckless complaining and that's about it.  Which is too bad.

[tim_m]

Here's a topic i think, i hope we can all agree sets a dangerous precedent. The CNN reporter banned from the WH today for asking Trump legitimate questions.

Deplorable, and a clear violation of the first amendment. Especially considering the questions she was "banned" for.

I see that many press outlets (including Fox) are condemning the action, which is good.

I would like to see all the networks refuse to send press to any of his events, or attend press briefings, or to carry any of his live comments on anything not directly related to a national security issue, until he relented.  And explain why at every opportunity.

But they won't.  There will be some feckless complaining and that's about it.  Which is too bad.

Agree, there needs to be a huge backlash for this. I imagine our founders spinning in their graves right now.

[sandman]

It's not that we hate him. We don't know him personally. It's the facts that he cozies up to dictators, his disregard for rule of law, his complete lack of understanding of what a president can and cannot do that a president should fully understand. It's that he sides with an enemy of the us over our own intelligence agencies. It is that the things he does truly horrify us with what he's doing to america and makes us fearful for what america will be in the near future. I've got a 15 almost 16 year old biracial niece and i'm terrified at what kinda country will be left for her.

if you are terrified, buy a dog.

what scares you...
roaring economy?
lowest unemployment rates for blacks and hispanics?
ISIS decimated?
world peace???

#winning

Don't you get tired of repeating the same lies over and over?

Not at all. Winning is fun. our country is doing great right now and people are benefitting from that. give credit to Obama if you like, but overall, we are in much better shape than we were 2 years ago. if you step aside from all the mass hysteria from the left, you will clearly see that. and the polls prove it as well. I honestly feel bad for all you liberals drowning in misery. drink some beers. spend time with your family. buy a dog. life is short.

[tim_m]

Cohen is singing like a canary and says Trump knew about the meeting at Trump tower where the meeting with the Russians to get dirty on Hillary took place. If he has proof this is collusion and treason.

[tim_m]

Today at an immigration rally Trump claims an ID is required to go grocery shopping. i'm not sure what is more sad that he said it or that the crowd cheered knowing its a lie.

[sandman]

this is pretty funny...

27 Times People Predicted Political Catastrophes For Trump That Didn’t Materialize
 
We’ve heard 'wolf!' so many times, yet the world hasn’t collapsed and America hasn’t turned into a dictatorship.

The Hill ran a headline predicting the demise of President Trump this week, citing MSNBC legal expert Jonathan Turley. “Cohen flipping puts Trump ‘one witness away’ from catastrophe,” the headline read. Turley is a serious legal mind not prone to the hyperbole of his liberal brothers. But his latest prediction of the end of Trump’s presidency invokes a whiff of déjà vu.

Where have we heard before that Donald Trump’s downfall is imminent? Well, for more than three years, predictions of Trump’s demise as a candidate or as president have averaged about one a month.

Let’s review. Here’s a very abbreviated and non-exhaustive list of these predictions, from the top.

In 2015 …

— Politics Columnist Tim Skubick wrote in July that, “Donald Trump’s immigration remarks were the beginning of his end.”

— Conservative pundit Bill Kristol declared in July that Trump’s attack on Republican Sen. John McCain for being a POW was the “beginning of [the] end.”

— Nate Cohn of The New York Times predicted the “beginning of the end of the Donald Trump surge” that same month.

— September 11, U.S. News and World Report contributor Cary Gibson noted that Trump’s comments about candidate Carly Fiorina were so offensive that she too asked whether this was the “beginning of the end of Donald Trump?”

— NBC’s Chuck Todd told his viewers in September that “this is the week we’re going to look back on and say maybe this was the beginning of the end of Trump.”

— Arianna Huffington of the Huffington Post spotted Trump’s “Sarah Palin moment” in September, declaring that this was again the beginning of the end for Trump.

In 2016 …

— Elise Jordan of Time magazine wrote in April about the “Beginning of the End of Donald Trump,” when an incident between his campaign manager and a female reporter cemented the “basic fact holds: almost three-quarters of women voters dislike Trump.”

— Chuck Todd said on Meet the Press in October: “This one does feel different. There have been so many times we’ve said Trump can’t survive this or can’t survive that crisis. But the 2005 hot mic recording of Trump’s conversation with Billy Bush of Access Hollywood may well prove to be the type of October surprise — that even Donald Trump can’t survive.”

— In November, Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman predicted predicted “global recession” as a result of Trump’s presidential victory. “Now comes the mother of all adverse effects — and what it brings with it is a regime that will be ignorant of economic policy and hostile to any effort to make it work,” he wrote.

In 2017 …

— The Washington Post reported in January that on the same day Trump took the oath of office, the efforts to impeach him from office were already underway.

— Politico explained in February how New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman might bring down Trump.

— Nash Riggins of the Independent wrote in March: “In the White House things are looking bad. This could be the beginning of the end for Trump.”

— Morning Joe predicted the beginning of the end for Trump in May.

— David Ferguson wrote in June that after a “devastating day,” the testimony of former FBI Director James Comey would lead to the “end of Trump.”

— In October, Tony Schwartz predicted that Trump would resign by the end of the year.

— Larry Donnelly joined the chorus of writers speculating that the Mueller investigation would soon lead to the end of the Trump presidency in November.

— Newsweek’s Robert Dallek predicted in December that the invocation of the 25th Amendment could remove Trump from office for incompetence.

— Also in December, it was reported the “Flipping of [Michael] Flynn,” could be what brings down Trump’s “House of Cards.”

And in 2018 …

— The New York Post reported in January on the widespread sentiment among elites that Michael Wolff’s book, “Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House,” would “bring an end to Trump’s time in the White House.”

— Think Progress predicted in March that Karen McDougal had the best chance of bringing down Trump.

— Tina Nguyen of Vanity Fair told her readers in February that Hope Hicks could be “the one to bring down Trump.”

— Writing in the Huffington Post, Emily Peck told us in April to “Forget Russia,” because, “it’s these women who could ultimately bring down Trump.”

— Rebecca Gordon of the Nation suggested in May that Trump would be brought down by “an Army of Accountants,” although she never really explains how the accountants would actually lay “bare thieves of state like Donald Trump.”

— Rolling Stone wrote in May that the Stormy Daniels Scandal could “Bring Down Trump.”

— The Guardian speculated in June that Trump’s inner circle could bring him down.

— Michael Moore predicted in June that his release of “Fahrenheit 11/9” would “Bring Trump Down.”

— The Daily Beast informed us July 25 that Trump might soon be brought down by the Michael Cohen tape in which candidate Trump discussed buying exclusive rights to a sex story about Trump (probably to keep it quiet).


Perhaps it is because Trump’s critics compete so vigorously with each other to be heard that the hysteria is turning into white noise. We’ve heard “wolf!” so many times, yet the world hasn’t collapsed and America hasn’t turned into a dictatorship.

I’m going to swim against the tide and predict that this latest prediction of Trump’s demise might be premature.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/08/01/27-times-people-predicted-political-catastrophes-trump-didnt-materialize/

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Perhaps it is because Trump’s critics compete so vigorously with each other to be heard that the hysteria is turning into white noise. We’ve heard “wolf!” so many times, yet the world hasn’t collapsed and America hasn’t turned into a dictatorship.

I’m going to swim against the tide and predict that this latest prediction of Trump’s demise might be premature.

That pretty much sums it up.

Trump has his issues and flaws, but when it comes down to it, the economy is doing very well under him and a granted a few missteps on Russia, we are also doing well on the foreign policy front. Unless Mueller finds something big on him or some sex tape comes out on these women he allegedly had affairs with, hes looking pretty good in 2020.  I find it pretty ironic the left is so wrapped up into morality all of the sudden. I think most know we elected a flawed man on a personal level but the results this administration achieves that affect our daily lives is what really matters. 

And socialism and open borders isn't the answer.

 

[tim_m]

And you guys are proud none of that has taken him down whereas it would have any other candidate. Give me a fucking break. i bet you're just fine with his little love letter yesterday to Kim Jung Un. Where he sounded like he was thanking grandma for a birthday present and today says Kim is kind.

[sandman]

And you guys are proud none of that has taken him down whereas it would have any other candidate. Give me a fucking break. i bet you're just fine with his little love letter yesterday to Kim Jung Un. Where he sounded like he was thanking grandma for a birthday present and today says Kim is kind.

in all seriousness, it's not that I am proud. it's that I think it's all blown out of proportion. liberals are so desperate to believe there is more to all of those stories. and the media and the Dems feed us bullshit to build up the hatred for the guy. the republicans did it with bill Clinton. flawed character but in many ways, but he had some successes as a president. same thing here.

also, liberals voted for Hillary. if you support someone that corrupt, you gotta get off your high horse. cause she is a disgusting human being. talk about election fraud....she fucked over Bernie, our election process, and the American people.

as for kim, Trump is negotiating world peace. he's playing a chess match against a powerful crazy individual. he's smarter than you think and he's successful as fuck. he gets shit done. let him do what he believes is necessary. that's why America voted for him.

[tim_m]

And the president who you support is also a disgusting human being. We can do this whataboutism shit all day and all night. Were you able to type that last sentence without laughing cause I sure couldn't read it without laughing.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

And the president who you support is also a disgusting human being. We can do this whataboutism shit all day and all night. Were you able to type that last sentence without laughing cause I sure couldn't read it without laughing.

If he gets GDP up past 5% next quarter is he still a worthless piece of shit?  We all get that we didn't elect the Pope.

 

[pilferk]

And the president who you support is also a disgusting human being. We can do this whataboutism shit all day and all night. Were you able to type that last sentence without laughing cause I sure couldn't read it without laughing.

If he gets GDP up past 5% next quarter is he still a worthless piece of shit?  We all get that we didn't elect the Pope.

 

First off, what has Trump done, SPECIFICALLY, that you think has resulted/will result in sustained GDP growth?

Second: Economists are predicting growth of around 2.1% for Q3....and nowhere near 5%.

Q2 had two LARGE mitigating factors to bump growth to 4.1%:

.8% was China stocking up on soybeans before the tariffs went into effect (tariffs which are killing US farmers and, I might add, are going to result in a sizable bailout for a problem TRUMP caused...another burden on the taxpayer).

.8% was government "stimulus" spending that was tied to the tax cut bill, and isn't due to be replicated.

So, ACTUAL growth for Q2 (if we are comparing to past quarters without surge spending) would be more like 2.5%.

"We didn't elect the pope" is a hyperbolic understatement that should go in the annals of history.  Nobody expected "The pope" but a decent human being isn't all that too much to ask.  You voted for an asshole, a bully, and fucking piece of shit human being (from the primaries onward). And you had a ton of evidence from his past 30 years in public life to clue you in to that fact.  So yes: He's not the anti-christ.  That's a pretty fucking low bar to set, no? Especially from the party that claims the moral high ground (or did...and can not make that claim any longer).

Reading the conservative talking points (the federalist? REALLY? Are we going to cite infowars next?) throughout the past page has given me a good chuckle.  There's so much there that's patently untrue and misleading, showing conservatives are, once again, more in love with power than they are with reality or truth.

I'd also offer up, from sandman's articles, that there's kernel of truth in there, but it's not the one that you'd really like to discuss.  It's that, for every other politician in history (and certainly for every president), many of those things (and certainly the sum total of them) WOULD have been career ending gaffes. So people positing that "THIS THING" might finally be the straw the broke the camels back isn't hysteria, its having a grasp of history.  The fact those events have not had the same effect speaks volumes about the Republican party right now (and conservatives, in general).  At least to any objective observer.  But you keep defending Trump (and making excuse after excuse after excuse), and then clutching your pearls when the other side does/says FAR less offensive things.    Oh, and you all should DEFINITELY keep bringing up Hillary!!!

The fact NONE of those things...NOT ONE...has given the Repubs pause, or made most of them pay a single second thought to their vote in 2016 speaks VOLUMES, here.  About their double standards, about their hypocrisy, and about their true motives. 

I'd also like to point out, it's only crying "wolf" when the things aren't true.  A lot of the stuff cited in that article ACTUALLY HAPPENED (along with a bunch of stuff NOT mentioned in the article).  It's not crying "wolf' when the wolf is ACTUALLY THERE, AND EATING THE FUCKING SHEEP!  The fact is: You're just content to watch the wolf slaughter the sheep, and then make excuses for the wolf (or pretending he didn't slaughter the sheep..even though there's fur and blood everywhere). 

"Crying wolf" might be the worst use of an analogy in the history of analogies.  What conservatives ACTUALLY mean when they say that is: We've heard the wolf howling from within the pens EVERY DAMN NIGHT, and there's so many dead, half eaten carcasses, we just don't want to hear about it anymore, or have to clean up the mess.  We'd rather plug our ears and avert our eyes.

Keep drinking that kool aid.  And keep shoveling that hypocrisy! 

The phrase "Ignorance is bliss" has never, ever been more apt.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

And the president who you support is also a disgusting human being. We can do this whataboutism shit all day and all night. Were you able to type that last sentence without laughing cause I sure couldn't read it without laughing.

If he gets GDP up past 5% next quarter is he still a worthless piece of shit?  We all get that we didn't elect the Pope.

 

First off, what has Trump done, SPECIFICALLY, that you think has resulted/will result in sustained GDP growth?

Second: Economists are predicting growth of around 2.1% for Q3....and nowhere near 5%.

Q2 had two LARGE mitigating factors to bump growth to 4.1%:

.8% was China stocking up on soybeans before the tariffs went into effect (tariffs which are killing US farmers and, I might add, are going to result in a sizable bailout for a problem TRUMP caused...another burden on the taxpayer).

.8% was government "stimulus" spending that was tied to the tax cut bill, and isn't due to be replicated.

So, ACTUAL growth for Q2 (if we are comparing to past quarters without surge spending) would be more like 2.5%.

"We didn't elect the pope" is a hyperbolic understatement that should go in the annals of history.  Nobody expected "The pope" but a decent human being isn't all that too much to ask.  You voted for an asshole, a bully, and fucking piece of shit human being (from the primaries onward). And you had a ton of evidence from his past 30 years in public life to clue you in to that fact.  So yes: He's not the anti-christ.  That's a pretty fucking low bar to set, no? Especially from the party that claims the moral high ground (or did...and can not make that claim any longer).

Reading the conservative talking points (the federalist? REALLY? Are we going to cite infowars next?) throughout the past page has given me a good chuckle.  There's so much there that's patently untrue and misleading, showing conservatives are, once again, more in love with power than they are with reality or truth.

I'd also offer up, from sandman's articles, that there's kernel of truth in there, but it's not the one that you'd really like to discuss.  It's that, for every other politician in history (and certainly for every president), many of those things (and certainly the sum total of them) WOULD have been career ending gaffes. So people positing that "THIS THING" might finally be the straw the broke the camels back isn't hysteria, its having a grasp of history.  The fact those events have not had the same effect speaks volumes about the Republican party right now (and conservatives, in general).  At least to any objective observer.  But you keep defending Trump (and making excuse after excuse after excuse), and then clutching your pearls when the other side does/says FAR less offensive things.    Oh, and you all should DEFINITELY keep bringing up Hillary!!!

The fact NONE of those things...NOT ONE...has given the Repubs pause, or made most of them pay a single second thought to their vote in 2016 speaks VOLUMES, here.  About their double standards, about their hypocrisy, and about their true motives. 

I'd also like to point out, it's only crying "wolf" when the things aren't true.  A lot of the stuff cited in that article ACTUALLY HAPPENED (along with a bunch of stuff NOT mentioned in the article).  It's not crying "wolf' when the wolf is ACTUALLY THERE, AND EATING THE FUCKING SHEEP!  The fact is: You're just content to watch the wolf slaughter the sheep, and then make excuses for the wolf (or pretending he didn't slaughter the sheep..even though there's fur and blood everywhere). 

"Crying wolf" might be the worst use of an analogy in the history of analogies.  What conservatives ACTUALLY mean when they say that is: We've heard the wolf howling from within the pens EVERY DAMN NIGHT, and there's so many dead, half eaten carcasses, we just don't want to hear about it anymore, or have to clean up the mess.  We'd rather plug our ears and avert our eyes.

Keep drinking that kool aid.  And keep shoveling that hypocrisy! 

The phrase "Ignorance is bliss" has never, ever been more apt.

 My 5% reference was a hypothetical. And the Pope reference was an example of levity.

You could use some levity.   

[pilferk]

And the president who you support is also a disgusting human being. We can do this whataboutism shit all day and all night. Were you able to type that last sentence without laughing cause I sure couldn't read it without laughing.

If he gets GDP up past 5% next quarter is he still a worthless piece of shit?  We all get that we didn't elect the Pope.

 

First off, what has Trump done, SPECIFICALLY, that you think has resulted/will result in sustained GDP growth?

Second: Economists are predicting growth of around 2.1% for Q3....and nowhere near 5%.

Q2 had two LARGE mitigating factors to bump growth to 4.1%:

.8% was China stocking up on soybeans before the tariffs went into effect (tariffs which are killing US farmers and, I might add, are going to result in a sizable bailout for a problem TRUMP caused...another burden on the taxpayer).

.8% was government "stimulus" spending that was tied to the tax cut bill, and isn't due to be replicated.

So, ACTUAL growth for Q2 (if we are comparing to past quarters without surge spending) would be more like 2.5%.

"We didn't elect the pope" is a hyperbolic understatement that should go in the annals of history.  Nobody expected "The pope" but a decent human being isn't all that too much to ask.  You voted for an asshole, a bully, and fucking piece of shit human being (from the primaries onward). And you had a ton of evidence from his past 30 years in public life to clue you in to that fact.  So yes: He's not the anti-christ.  That's a pretty fucking low bar to set, no? Especially from the party that claims the moral high ground (or did...and can not make that claim any longer).

Reading the conservative talking points (the federalist? REALLY? Are we going to cite infowars next?) throughout the past page has given me a good chuckle.  There's so much there that's patently untrue and misleading, showing conservatives are, once again, more in love with power than they are with reality or truth.

I'd also offer up, from sandman's articles, that there's kernel of truth in there, but it's not the one that you'd really like to discuss.  It's that, for every other politician in history (and certainly for every president), many of those things (and certainly the sum total of them) WOULD have been career ending gaffes. So people positing that "THIS THING" might finally be the straw the broke the camels back isn't hysteria, its having a grasp of history.  The fact those events have not had the same effect speaks volumes about the Republican party right now (and conservatives, in general).  At least to any objective observer.  But you keep defending Trump (and making excuse after excuse after excuse), and then clutching your pearls when the other side does/says FAR less offensive things.    Oh, and you all should DEFINITELY keep bringing up Hillary!!!

The fact NONE of those things...NOT ONE...has given the Repubs pause, or made most of them pay a single second thought to their vote in 2016 speaks VOLUMES, here.  About their double standards, about their hypocrisy, and about their true motives. 

I'd also like to point out, it's only crying "wolf" when the things aren't true.  A lot of the stuff cited in that article ACTUALLY HAPPENED (along with a bunch of stuff NOT mentioned in the article).  It's not crying "wolf' when the wolf is ACTUALLY THERE, AND EATING THE FUCKING SHEEP!  The fact is: You're just content to watch the wolf slaughter the sheep, and then make excuses for the wolf (or pretending he didn't slaughter the sheep..even though there's fur and blood everywhere). 

"Crying wolf" might be the worst use of an analogy in the history of analogies.  What conservatives ACTUALLY mean when they say that is: We've heard the wolf howling from within the pens EVERY DAMN NIGHT, and there's so many dead, half eaten carcasses, we just don't want to hear about it anymore, or have to clean up the mess.  We'd rather plug our ears and avert our eyes.

Keep drinking that kool aid.  And keep shoveling that hypocrisy! 

The phrase "Ignorance is bliss" has never, ever been more apt.

 My 5% reference was a hypothetical. And the Pope reference was an example of levity.

You could use some levity.   

And i am demonstrating your hypothetical isnt all that likely.

I also notice, when asked for specifics......as I have over and over.....crickets. I think that pretty much says it all...and its not all that surprising.

Yes, it was levity. It might be the funniest thing you ever typed, for exactly the reasons I explained. Just not for the ones you intended.

I have plenty of levity, fyi.  Where its actually warranted.

It seems to be ALL you have, though.  And its not much of an argument. Also not surprising.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

You are so entrenched in your opinion why bother?  When you climb down from that liberal high horse you've been perched upon the last year of so maybe Ill reconsider.

[pilferk]

You are so entrenched in your opinion why bother?  When you climb down from that liberal high horse you've been perched upon the last year of so maybe Ill reconsider.

A convenient....and again, not surprising....answer. 

Ignoring I'm an indie who would vote for John Kasich of Ohio in a heart best. Or Evan McMullin. Or a whole host of other actual conservatives who stand for some actual fiscally conservative values and arent totally gaslit by the Trump cult of personality.

I'd suggest you use your own first statement as a mirror to hold up to yourself.  Because it is far more apt in that respect.

Dont bother "reconsidering". Your answers over the past couple weeks say everything they need to.....

Keep clutching those pearls snd playing the poor, put upon, victim. Its a GREAT look for you!

Bye the bye, i would rather be seated on a high horse, than to be riding a disgusting pig, and loving every minute of it.  Enjoy the roll in the mud...i have a feeling its going to stain you and the Repub party for a looooong time.

[tim_m]

You are so entrenched in your opinion why bother?  When you climb down from that liberal high horse you've been perched upon the last year of so maybe Ill reconsider.

A convenient....and again, not surprising....answer. 

Ignoring I'm an indie who would vote for Jim Kasich of Ohio in a heart best. Or Evan McMullin. Or a whole host of other actual conservatives who stand for some actual fiscally conservative values and arent totally gaslit by the Trump cult of personality.

I'd suggest you use your own first statement as a mirror to hold up to yourself.  Because it is far more apt in that respect.

Dont bother "reconsidering". Your answers over the past couple weeks say everything they need to.....

Keep clutching those pearls snd playing the poor, put upon, victim. Its a GREAT look for you!

Bye the bye, i would rather be seated on a high horse, than to be riding a disgusting pig, and loving every minute of it.  Enjoy the roll in the mud...i have a feeling its going to stain you and the Repub party for a looooong time.

Kasich is the only one that didn't make my stomach churn. I still don't like his abortion record though.

[pilferk]

You are so entrenched in your opinion why bother?  When you climb down from that liberal high horse you've been perched upon the last year of so maybe Ill reconsider.

A convenient....and again, not surprising....answer. 

Ignoring I'm an indie who would vote for Jim Kasich of Ohio in a heart best. Or Evan McMullin. Or a whole host of other actual conservatives who stand for some actual fiscally conservative values and arent totally gaslit by the Trump cult of personality.

I'd suggest you use your own first statement as a mirror to hold up to yourself.  Because it is far more apt in that respect.

Dont bother "reconsidering". Your answers over the past couple weeks say everything they need to.....

Keep clutching those pearls snd playing the poor, put upon, victim. Its a GREAT look for you!

Bye the bye, i would rather be seated on a high horse, than to be riding a disgusting pig, and loving every minute of it.  Enjoy the roll in the mud...i have a feeling its going to stain you and the Repub party for a looooong time.

Kasich is the only one that didn't make my stomach churn. I still don't like his abortion record though.

I fully expected to vote for a repub in 2016. I was not crash hot on any of the dems (and Bernie...who isnt, really) on the docket.

And the the repubs nominated Trump, a guy who I have followed, and watched be a boorish asshole and moron for 30 years (who is literally laughed at, and is the.punchline to jokes, in NYCs business communites and society circles). He is a terrible businessman and an even worse human being...but a great con man. And he conned (and continues to con) repub voters....in the most obvious and ridiculous con ever. But they WANT to be conned, which makes it sooooo much easier.

But, long story short, they picked the one guy who will never get my vote. Which is why its so funny to watch them try to pigeon hole me. The funny part? I AM MORE OF A HISTORICAL CONSERVATIVE THAN TRUMP IS!!!

But, ya know, that doesnt fit their wolrld view or narrative....and they think the LIBS need the safe spaces!!! Oy vey!

[tim_m]

You are so entrenched in your opinion why bother?  When you climb down from that liberal high horse you've been perched upon the last year of so maybe Ill reconsider.

A convenient....and again, not surprising....answer. 

Ignoring I'm an indie who would vote for Jim Kasich of Ohio in a heart best. Or Evan McMullin. Or a whole host of other actual conservatives who stand for some actual fiscally conservative values and arent totally gaslit by the Trump cult of personality.

I'd suggest you use your own first statement as a mirror to hold up to yourself.  Because it is far more apt in that respect.

Dont bother "reconsidering". Your answers over the past couple weeks say everything they need to.....

Keep clutching those pearls snd playing the poor, put upon, victim. Its a GREAT look for you!

Bye the bye, i would rather be seated on a high horse, than to be riding a disgusting pig, and loving every minute of it.  Enjoy the roll in the mud...i have a feeling its going to stain you and the Repub party for a looooong time.

Kasich is the only one that didn't make my stomach churn. I still don't like his abortion record though.

I fully expected to vote for a repub in 2016. I was not crash hot on any of the dems (and Bernie...who isnt, really) on the docket.

And the the repubs nominated Trump, a guy who I have followed, and watched be a boorish asshole and moron for 30 years (who is literally laughed at, and is the.punchline to jokes, in NYCs business communites and society circles). He is a terrible businessman and an even worse human being...but a great con man. And he conned (and continues to con) repub voters....in the most obvious and ridiculous con ever. But they WANT to be conned, which makes it sooooo much easier.

But, long story short, they picked the one guy who will never get my vote. Which is why its so funny to watch them try to pigeon hole me. The funny part? I AM MORE OF A HISTORICAL CONSERVATIVE THAN TRUMP IS!!!

But, ya know, that doesnt fit their wolrld view or narrative....and they think the LIBS need the safe spaces!!! Oy vey!

Safe to say you won't be voting republican in November or 2020 if this dipstick somehow lasts that long?

I watched all the debates in 16, i actually did agree with Kasich a lot more then i didn't. For me it was just his abortion views that really turned me off. I felt Paul could have been a good legitimate candidate if he could only grow a pair of  balls. Once he was campaigning he just started spouting the typical republican talking points and not what he really believed. Which made me think when it came down to it as president he'd just go with the flow and side with the republicans and not take a stand. Trump obviously is just a waste of a perfectly good human body and despicable. The only other who had a shot was Cruz who is another disgrace of a human and just has a face you want to punch repeatedly.

[tim_m]

Trump just admitted that the meeting at Trump tower was to get dirt on Hillary and threw his son under the bus. Raise your hand if you saw this coming. How would he know this if he knew nothing about the meeting? This has to be the last nail in the coffin. Impeachment proceedings must begin immediately.