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« Reply #2880 on: May 24, 2019, 06:37:14 PM »

Who else writes in big black Sharpie like a child?  rofl rofl
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« Reply #2881 on: May 24, 2019, 06:44:39 PM »

"I know words, I have the best words"




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« Reply #2882 on: May 25, 2019, 04:11:39 AM »

I’m confused.  What is that exactly?  You guys are now trying to make fun of a piece of paper with chicken scratch notes on it?   Roll Eyes.
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« Reply #2883 on: May 25, 2019, 06:01:44 AM »

I think people are concerned about his health. Mental and/or physical....




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« Reply #2884 on: May 25, 2019, 06:43:11 AM »

Trump approves $8bn Saudi weapons sale over Iran tensions


US President Donald Trump is approving the sale of billions of dollars' worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia, citing Iranian threats to its arch rival.

Mr Trump invoked a rarely used aspect of federal law to push through the $8bn (£6bn) deal - bypassing Congress.

He did so by declaring that ongoing tensions with Iran amounted to a national emergency.

The move has angered those who fear the weapons may be used against civilians in Yemen by Saudi-led forces.

Some Democrats accused the president of bypassing Congress because the sale of weapons - including precision-guided bombs - would have been strongly opposed on Capitol Hill.

Weapons will also reportedly be sold to the United Arab Emirates and Jordan.

Members of Congress have heavily criticised Saudi Arabia's human rights record over its role in the Yemen conflict and for the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last October.

Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48404923





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« Reply #2885 on: May 25, 2019, 08:37:50 AM »

Who else writes in big black Sharpie like a child?  rofl rofl

That is an impeachable offense, we need an investigation on where he bought the sharpie , how much he paid for it, did he claim the purchase on his taxes and when did he use this sharpie.  Grin
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« Reply #2886 on: May 26, 2019, 12:56:34 AM »

Who else writes in big black Sharpie like a child?  rofl rofl

That is an impeachable offense, we need an investigation on where he bought the sharpie , how much he paid for it, did he claim the purchase on his taxes and when did he use this sharpie.  Grin

You know what, I chuckled at that. Well done.  beer
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« Reply #2887 on: May 29, 2019, 04:59:09 PM »

Trump supporters are sure quiet today after Mueller's presser. 😁
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« Reply #2888 on: May 29, 2019, 05:29:40 PM »

Trump supporters are sure quiet today after Mueller's presser. 😁


You know how it works:


And we are not commenting on the guilt or innocence of any specific defendant. Every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in court.

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As set forth in our report, after that investigation, if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.

Leads to: No collusion. Case closed, Trump is 100% innocent.






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« Reply #2889 on: May 29, 2019, 09:22:25 PM »

Trump supporters are sure quiet today after Mueller's presser. 😁


You know how it works:


And we are not commenting on the guilt or innocence of any specific defendant. Every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in court.

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As set forth in our report, after that investigation, if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.

Leads to: No collusion. Case closed, Trump is 100% innocent.






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Mueller all but said Trump obstructed justice, and they suspect thats why they were not able to find evidence of conspiracy.

Trumpers will try to spin and spin and spin it anyway they can.  But that's what he said.  He did not say "if a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation". He said

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When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of their government’s effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable.

It's very apparent that Mueller believes Trump obstructed justice, intended his report to lay that out, and for Congress to take up the case since he couldn't, he felt, legally indict a sitting president. Again, he very clearly said that if they thought the President had not committed a crime, they would have said so.  They didn't.

That's what he said. Succinctly, directly, and clearly.  To anyone that is not swinging from Trumps nuts.

On top of all that, William Barr lied to Congress. First in his letter, then in his testimony to Congress. He didn't mispeak. Didn't exagerate.  Didn't misunderstand Mueller and the report.  He flat out lied to congress (and to the American people).  He should be charged and, quite frankly, he should resign.
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« Reply #2890 on: May 29, 2019, 09:55:00 PM »

This is an absolutely disgusting way to treat a war hero, and the men who serve on a vessel that bears his name:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-wanted-uss-john-mccain-out-of-sight-during-trump-japan-visit-11559173470?mod=e2tw

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« Reply #2891 on: May 29, 2019, 11:47:27 PM »

This is an absolutely disgusting way to treat a war hero, and the men who serve on a vessel that bears his name:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-wanted-uss-john-mccain-out-of-sight-during-trump-japan-visit-11559173470?mod=e2tw

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White House Wanted USS John McCain ‘Out of Sight’ During Trump Japan Visit
Every day it gets worse, each more despicable actions then the day before.
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« Reply #2892 on: May 30, 2019, 01:19:03 AM »

This is an absolutely disgusting way to treat a war hero, and the men who serve on a vessel that bears his name:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-wanted-uss-john-mccain-out-of-sight-during-trump-japan-visit-11559173470?mod=e2tw

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White House Wanted USS John McCain ‘Out of Sight’ During Trump Japan Visit

If that were Obama he would be impeached by the next day at noon.
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« Reply #2893 on: May 30, 2019, 04:26:57 PM »

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« Reply #2894 on: May 30, 2019, 05:16:24 PM »

So Trump still is not guilty of collusion.  Maybe obstruction.  But Mueller left that up to the DOJ.   

I'm curious to see what is yielded in the investigation of the back story. 

Anyone find it interesting that Mueller wont take a single question from reporters let alone congress?

 
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« Reply #2895 on: May 30, 2019, 07:33:37 PM »

That was his only option really, since he abides by the DOJ ruling a sitting president can't be indicted. That's why the Constitution gives power of impeachment to the other two branches.

I expect nothing truthful to come from that. Barr is a Trump lackey.

At least not publicly he won't. I wish he would but i think he just wants to leave it up to Congress and the Senate now.
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« Reply #2896 on: May 30, 2019, 07:51:53 PM »

What about coming to a conclusion or making recommendations?  Seems a bit bizarre.

One thing we know for sure is that Mueller does not want to be asked questions about anything. Which I think pisses off both sides of the aisle.
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« Reply #2897 on: May 30, 2019, 08:11:18 PM »

So Trump still is not guilty of collusion.  Maybe obstruction.  But Mueller left that up to the DOJ.   

I'm curious to see what is yielded in the investigation of the back story. 

Anyone find it interesting that Mueller wont take a single question from reporters let alone congress?
 

No, he left it up to CONGRESS. And he clearly said he thinks one of the reasons they were unable to gather enough evidence for conspiracy was the obstruction. The man was lawyerly, but certainly clear on that front.  See the quote in my last post.

He also clearly said, yesterday, he believes the DOJ has no role in the process because they can't indict a sitting president.

Mueller wants his report to be his testimony to Congress. It's clear he believes that, as a member of of the DOJ, who can't indict (and thus can't provide a forum of fair justice), he shouldn't be saying any more.

Like it or not, he's going to end up in front of congress at some point.
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« Reply #2898 on: May 30, 2019, 08:16:52 PM »

What about coming to a conclusion or making recommendations?  Seems a bit bizarre.

One thing we know for sure is that Mueller does not want to be asked questions about anything. Which I think pisses off both sides of the aisle.

Not bizarre. Principled.

He isn't making accusations, because he can't present them in a forum (ie: court) where the President can defend himself.  As a member of the DOJ, he feels making an accusation, without providing a forum for justice, violates principals and DOJ rules.

But he also said IF they could ACTUALLY clear the president of wrong doing, they would say so.

They didn't, in either case. And yesterday, even parsing words, he made it pretty clear he feels there WAS wrongdoing when it comes to obstruction, without actually SAYING it, outright.

They said they lack sufficient evidence on conspiracy.  And the report clearly makes that determination is in light of the obstruction. as well as the inability to get certain individuals to testify, or provide truthful testimony. "Just because we could not find the evidence does not mean it does not exist".  Right in the report.

I agree it's frustrating. But he clearly feels the remediation goes through congress.  And his testimony outside what's in the report would taint that process.
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« Reply #2899 on: May 31, 2019, 08:18:24 AM »

What I am finding odd in all of this is if Mueller made a decision on collusion, why couldn't he on obstruction? 

 He could have said there was enough that was found in the investigation for an obstruction case and left it at that. Then it goes to the AG. At that point if Barr declined to go further then there'd be no denying that the AG was biased.

A lot of unanswered questions left on the table with all of this. And Mueller wants to not answer for anything.  He stirred the pot and now goes into hiding.
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