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« Reply #200 on: September 11, 2017, 02:43:00 PM »

Pedro also drilled Jeter and Soriano in the hands back to back to start a game once...and admitted he hit them on purpose.


Yes he did. Again, I never claimed Pedro never hit guys on purpose. I simply do not recall him hitting anyone in the head. Pilferk says it happened though so I guess we have to believe him. I am quite certain that he never hit anyone in the head under similar circumstances to Betances.

Listen, intentional or not Betances should have been thrown out without hesitation and given a token suspension like the rest of the guys. There was too much going on in that game to let anything slide. Did the Tigers pitcher who hit Frazier afterwards get thrown out or suspended? He should have too if he didn't.


Up and In is Up and In...dangerous to be throwing at peoples hands...

That was one of the wildest games I had seen in terms of that kind of thing... we of course have no way of knowing what goes on inside somebody's head, and not to repeat what has already been said....it seems unlikely due to the game circumstance that Betances was trying to hit that batter at all.

Throw him out regardless... If that makes you feel better... I don't know.
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« Reply #201 on: September 12, 2017, 06:34:11 AM »

Right, which is no different than you thinking that Betances didn't do it on purpose because you didn't think he did. I'm glad we finally established that after going back and forth for weeks. You brought Pedro into this and changed the argument by the way. Crafty work on your part.

Except, it's not.

Let me lay it out for you:

Me: "He didn't do it because a), b), c), d) and e)."  I gave you examples, and reasons, and history.

You: "Yes he did. I have no actual reasons why or evidence or examples of him doing it in the past or...well, anything. He just did. And you're never going to change my mind." You contributed nothing other than repeating that its your opinion and your right to it, over and over.  Which is true.  But it colors that opinion for everyone else reading, too.

Pedro was an example of your hypocrisy. It didn't change the conversation. It further proved my point. And you've continued, by trying to find any reason you can to deny it, to prove that point. When it's not "your guy", it's torches and pitchforks. When it's "your guy", it's "I don't recall" and "He didn't mean it" and "He didn't do that in the exact same specific situation".

So, you're right. Going back and forth is useless. Basically because your "forth" is sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes, and loudly chanting "blah blah blah".


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« Reply #202 on: September 12, 2017, 06:44:50 AM »

Pedro also drilled Jeter and Soriano in the hands back to back to start a game once...and admitted he hit them on purpose.


Yes he did. Again, I never claimed Pedro never hit guys on purpose. I simply do not recall him hitting anyone in the head. Pilferk says it happened though so I guess we have to believe him. I am quite certain that he never hit anyone in the head under similar circumstances to Betances.

Listen, intentional or not Betances should have been thrown out without hesitation and given a token suspension like the rest of the guys. There was too much going on in that game to let anything slide. Did the Tigers pitcher who hit Frazier afterwards get thrown out or suspended? He should have too if he didn't.


Up and In is Up and In...dangerous to be throwing at peoples hands...

That was one of the wildest games I had seen in terms of that kind of thing... we of course have no way of knowing what goes on inside somebody's head, and not to repeat what has already been said....it seems unlikely due to the game circumstance that Betances was trying to hit that batter at all.

Throw him out regardless... If that makes you feel better... I don't know.

Agree, on all counts.  I get why he was tossed, and had no issue with it. But everything considered, that's where it ends.

It was likely not intentional, by any reasonable and objective measure.  He's STILL being wild and having a hard time with the zone.  And he sailed another one a couple days ago that was, if the batter didn't dive, chin high (though maybe behind...and sailed to the backstop).  Same thing...that slurve grip is being problematic for him right now.

Also, I think at this point we know what faldors assurances about "never hitting a guy in the head in those circumstances" is worth, as his memory regarding Pedro appears a bit spotty. Wink  And, as you point out, a ball at the head is at the head.

I'll also say, again: I would not object to a short suspension, or fine, to ANY pitcher who hits a batter in the head, for ANY reason (even accident). Just eliminate the intent determination altogether. With today's concussion awareness, it would make sense.  But MLB will NOT do it. The MLBPA will NOT agree to it.  They do not want to hand out 20 to 30 suspensions a year for mostly accidental pitches. And, honestly, I don't think it lowers that number any even if they did.  It would just be "for show".  Pitches sometimes get away from guys. It happens.
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