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« on: March 15, 2017, 03:56:34 PM »

Data I've gathered:

Up to Nov 30, they've played 35 cities (excluding Coachella and the Troubadour), with a total gross of $191,600,000.

The amount of individual shows are more, but Billboard only releases figures per city.

This amounts to an average of $5,475,000 per city.

After November 30, they had 49 scheduled cities (excluding RIR).

Using average gross so far with the currently remaining cities we end up with $268,275,000.


That means a total gross at the end of the currently scheduled tour of $459,875,000.





The list would end up something like this:

1. U2 - U2 360? Tour ($736,421,584 - 110 shows)
2. The Rolling Stones - A Bigger Bang Tour ($558,255,524 - 144 shows)
3. Guns N' Roses - Not in This Lifetime... Tour ($459,875,000 - 100 shows)
4. Roger Waters - The Wall Live ($458,673,798 - 219 shows)
5. AC/DC - Black Ice World Tour ($441,121,000 - 167 shows)
6. Madonna - Sticky & Sweet Tour ($408,000,000 - 85 shows)
7. U2 - Vertigo Tour ($389,047,636 - 131 shows)
8. The Police - The Police Reunion Tour ($362,000,000 - 156 shows)
9. Bruce Springsteen - Wrecking Ball World Tour ($355,600,000 - 127 shows)
10. The Rolling Stones - Voodoo Lounge Tour ($320,000,000 - 124 shows)



Do you think they have ambitions of reaching #1?

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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2017, 04:02:11 PM »

It should be mentioned that Coldplay have shows scheduled until October of this year, so they will definitely also place in that top 10.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2017, 04:21:21 PM »

Not sure they have an 'ambition' to being number one, but I'm sure they wouldn't object!

If the tour goes on past this last American leg (which it could well do given the RIR announcement) they could be looking at it being the biggest grossing tour ever I reckon.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2017, 04:29:28 PM »

If the tour goes on past this last American leg (which it could well do given the RIR announcement)

North America: 49 shows (2016+2017 - not including the Troubadour)
Europe: 19

There's still places to play in Europe for sure. The question is if.... And when...




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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2017, 04:30:28 PM »

Not sure they have an 'ambition' to being number one, but I'm sure they wouldn't object!

If the tour goes on past this last American leg (which it could well do given the RIR announcement) they could be looking at it being the biggest grossing tour ever I reckon.

Just for the fun of it, if they play 50 more cities (2-3 legs) after North America this fall:

If they can keep up the average gross, they end up at $733,625,000.
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2017, 04:42:30 PM »

If the tour goes on past this last American leg (which it could well do given the RIR announcement)

North America: 49 shows (2016+2017 - not including the Troubadour)
Europe: 19

There's still places to play in Europe for sure. The question is if.... And when...


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Any more Europe shows would have to be summer 2018 at the earliest really- unless they want to do indoor shows of course. That would mean the tour going for over two years as well.....
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2017, 05:17:03 PM »

Any more Europe shows would have to be summer 2018 at the earliest really- unless they want to do indoor shows of course. That would mean the tour going for over two years as well.....

True.

It's what they did in 1991-1993. European tours during the summer months.



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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2017, 06:28:59 PM »

It is of no use to give dollar numbers for something that happened decades ago.

Any and all monetary values must be converted to today's money. One US dollar back in the time was not worth what it is now.
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2017, 07:09:26 PM »

It is of no use to give dollar numbers for something that happened decades ago.

Any and all monetary values must be converted to today's money. One US dollar back in the time was not worth what it is now.

They would still be in the top 10. At #7 close behind U2's Vertigo tour.

The #1 spot in 2017 dollars is $784,027,536.




But as for an official ranking, inflation wouldn't be counted. The same happens in the movie box office rankings. Gone With the Wind is the all-time highest grossing movie on the US domestic chart when adjusted for inflation. It's rarely mentioned in the media though. As Star Wars 7 has the highest amount of dollars on paper, they'll be crowned as the all-time biggest success in the media.
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2017, 05:12:47 PM »

I think they have a lot of place for 2018...More Euro dates,probably US dates in arenas,than some Asia and Africa dates,and probably a little run in South America,Australia and Japan...
I'm sure it will be in the first three tours
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2017, 12:43:45 PM »

I think there are two solid reasons to expect more european dates in 2018: 1) Impressive ticket sales for most european shows so far 2) some of their big markets are not included in '17 tour ( like Norway, more places in UK or France).  beer
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2017, 01:02:33 PM »

I think there are two solid reasons to expect more european dates in 2018: 1) Impressive ticket sales for most european shows so far 2) some of their big markets are not included in '17 tour ( like Norway, more places in UK or France).  beer

Also a big market in Eastern Europe that wasn't included in this run.

The UK and France definitely have potential for multiple shows.

  • I can see them doing a stadium leg in South America around Rock in Rio (about 10 shows), then maybe,
  • an arena run in North America doing the biggest markets (Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, Boston, New York, Philly, DC, Orlando, Houston, Seattle, San Fran, Los Angeles) (about 20 shows),
  • smaller run with multiple arena nights in Tokyo, Osaka, Sydney, Melbourne (about 10 shows),
  • a summer stadium tour of Europe (predominantly Eastern Europe + Norway, UK, France and Germany) (about 20 shows).
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2017, 10:19:18 PM »

I think there are two solid reasons to expect more european dates in 2018: 1) Impressive ticket sales for most european shows so far 2) some of their big markets are not included in '17 tour ( like Norway, more places in UK or France).  beer

Also a big market in Eastern Europe that wasn't included in this run.

It's just that the venue situation in Eastern Europe isn't always that good. Soccer is played in some pretty rundown stadiums around the region. Buildings where you can't really see a show happening. Then of course new construction is happening. Little known Kosovo is opening their new national stadium in the capital Pristina this year.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2017, 11:40:08 PM »

I think there are two solid reasons to expect more european dates in 2018: 1) Impressive ticket sales for most european shows so far 2) some of their big markets are not included in '17 tour ( like Norway, more places in UK or France).  beer

Also a big market in Eastern Europe that wasn't included in this run.

It's just that the venue situation in Eastern Europe isn't always that good. Soccer is played in some pretty rundown stadiums around the region. Buildings where you can't really see a show happening. Then of course new construction is happening. Little known Kosovo is opening their new national stadium in the capital Pristina this year.

I wasn't that familiar to be honest.  Smiley


After a quick search for modern stadiums, I found these though (capacity numbers are for football):


Ukraine - NSC Olimpiyskiy Stadium (renovated 2011, capacity 70,050)



Georgia - Boris Paichadze Dinamo Arena (renovated 2006, capacity 54,549)



Armenia - Hrazdan Stadium (renovated 2012, capacity 54,208)



Azerbaijan - Baku National Stadium (opened 2015, capacity 69,870)



Hungary - Groupama Arena (opened 2014, capacity 23,700)



Bulgaria - Vasil Levski National Stadium (renovated 2015, capacity 43,230)



Greece - Olympic Stadium (renovated 2004, capacity 69,618)



Romania - Arena Națională (opened 2011, capacity 55,634)



Turkey - Atat?rk Olympic Stadium (opened 2002, capacity 76,092)



Russia - Krestovsky Stadium (opened 2017, capacity 68,134)

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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2017, 11:43:11 PM »

I think there are two solid reasons to expect more european dates in 2018: 1) Impressive ticket sales for most european shows so far 2) some of their big markets are not included in '17 tour ( like Norway, more places in UK or France).  beer

Also a big market in Eastern Europe that wasn't included in this run.

The UK and France definitely have potential for multiple shows.

  • I can see them doing a stadium leg in South America around Rock in Rio (about 10 shows), then maybe,
  • an arena run in North America doing the biggest markets (Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, Boston, New York, Philly, DC, Orlando, Houston, Seattle, San Fran, Los Angeles) (about 20 shows),
  • smaller run with multiple arena nights in Tokyo, Osaka, Sydney, Melbourne (about 10 shows),
  • a summer stadium tour of Europe (predominantly Eastern Europe + Norway, UK, France and Germany) (about 20 shows).

This will start being painful without new music
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2017, 11:50:38 PM »

This will start being painful without new music


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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2017, 06:40:51 AM »

 

Greece - Olympic Stadium (renovated 2004, capacity 69,618)




Yes, please! Grin They played here back in '93. It has been renovated since then (for the Olympic Games '04) and many big bands have played here in the past years like U2, bon jovi, acdc ...

It's not the lack of venues that is holding us back, I believe. Our economy and lame promotion companies is the problem. If they decide to tour eastern europe with lower prices though, I can see it happening. They have a big fanbase here btw Wink
 
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2017, 08:43:06 AM »

Like Natalie pointed out, it's not always about a lack of a venue.

In some places, they could put the show in a park, or parking lot if there's no suitable stadium around.
On the upcoming European leg, some shows are in places like that (Lisbon, Hannover, H?meenlinna, Nijmegen etc).


The promoters are in the business of making money. If they don't think they can make any on a GN'R show, they won't make the show happen...


But there does seem to be a bunch of possible places for another European tour to visit.

Of the ones Spirit listed, I suspect some would be more likely than others. And this is just me as a fan speculating, knowing where GN'R has played in the past.

Athens (Terra Vibe Park seems like a popular venue there)
Budapest
Sofia?
Kiev?
Russia?
Bucharest?
Maybe even Estonia?
Warsaw?





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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2017, 11:36:45 AM »

Like Natalie pointed out, it's not always about a lack of a venue.

I wonder if corruption plays any part. It could be that some places are just easier to skip than deal with bullshit.
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2017, 12:04:43 PM »

Like Natalie pointed out, it's not always about a lack of a venue.

I wonder if corruption plays any part. It could be that some places are just easier to skip than deal with bullshit.

To avoid any misunderstanding , I didn't imply anything about corruption. When I mentioned economy, I meant that in a crisis-struck country like mine, many people can not afford to attend expensive concerts so promotion companies will not make it happen since they know they won't have the profit they want.
And skipping some place has to do with numbers most of the times, not "dealing with bullshit". If you can pay for it, you ll get one , otherwise next time.Plain and simple. And this is not a complaint towards the band management  or smth... It is the bitter truth in the capitalistic world we live in.
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2017, 12:53:53 PM »

Like Natalie pointed out, it's not always about a lack of a venue.

I wonder if corruption plays any part. It could be that some places are just easier to skip than deal with bullshit.

If that was an issue, the touring itineraries would look totally different. So I think it's safe to say the answer is no.



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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2017, 05:04:22 PM »

Like Natalie pointed out, it's not always about a lack of a venue.

I wonder if corruption plays any part. It could be that some places are just easier to skip than deal with bullshit.

If that was an issue, the touring itineraries would look totally different. So I think it's safe to say the answer is no.



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After doing gigs in places like South America, Thailand, Mexico, Russia ect. I dont think doing shows in eastern Europe should be a big issue. (im not implying that there has been bs going on around those gigs, i have absolutely no idea what goes on, for organizing huge events in those places)
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2017, 06:13:10 PM »

English isn't my first ,sa I'll try to explain my opion...

It's very hard for a band to do what Guns did with NITL tour...U2 worked 30 years for the biggest tour ever...Acdc too...
Bit with Guns n Rosea we have something phenomenal...These guys were separated more than 20 years and then they made one of the biggest tour ever...
Metallica workde 35 years for Death Magnetic tour...Guns are over this tour with Australia dates...
Guns n Roses  can make the biggest tour ever in the future...Maybe with new album and tour...
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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2017, 07:10:58 PM »

English isn't my first ,sa I'll try to explain my opion...

It's very hard for a band to do what Guns did with NITL tour...U2 worked 30 years for the biggest tour ever...Acdc too...
Bit with Guns n Rosea we have something phenomenal...These guys were separated more than 20 years and then they made one of the biggest tour ever...
Metallica workde 35 years for Death Magnetic tour...Guns are over this tour with Australia dates...
Guns n Roses  can make the biggest tour ever in the future...Maybe with new album and tour...

imo the fact that they hadn't played together for over 20 years is actually one of the reasons that this tour is so successful. Many fans that grew up with their music back in 80s-early 90s would do anything for a chance to see the original line up again after all these years. And younger fans as well , who were kids back then, and   didn't get  to see the old band performing at their heyday, have their chance to see Axl, Duff, Slash sharing the stage now, and don't wanna miss out.
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2017, 07:45:09 PM »

I don't know I believe they are stadiums going foward, at least here in the U.S.

As much as they were able to captialize on people never getting the chance to see them live...well, now they have.  I don't know how many people simply cross this off their bucket list and move on.

But I think they are a solid arena act for the next tour, even if its just the same basic show with nothing new.  And still 2 nights in some places.
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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2017, 04:23:50 AM »

As much as they were able to captialize on people never getting the chance to see them live...well, now they have.  I don't know how many people simply cross this off their bucket list and move on.

Well, now they have. Don't we all know people who simply go to their closest gig and that's done and dusted? Yes, we do.

It was mentioned here that 1% of the population are going to the gig in Finland. That's like a fuckin' mad figure really. How would it be possible to achieve anything similar if you try to go back in a year and everyone knows it's the same show?

Yeah, sure skip it next year but still. It could end up in tears anyway as in many places in Europe it doesn't matter if it's the next city having the gig as the customer base will be the same.

Many Europeans commute daily to work abroad and that's why they go abroad for gigs as well. They go grocery shopping abroad. Therefore, having seemingly 20 new European venues could well be they're not that new really.
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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2017, 09:02:39 AM »

Many Europeans commute daily to work abroad and that's why they go abroad for gigs as well. They go grocery shopping abroad. Therefore, having seemingly 20 new European venues could well be they're not that new really.


I think you may be making a sweeping generalisation there...
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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2017, 09:19:30 AM »

As much as they were able to captialize on people never getting the chance to see them live...well, now they have.  I don't know how many people simply cross this off their bucket list and move on.

Well, now they have. Don't we all know people who simply go to their closest gig and that's done and dusted? Yes, we do.

It was mentioned here that 1% of the population are going to the gig in Finland. That's like a fuckin' mad figure really. How would it be possible to achieve anything similar if you try to go back in a year and everyone knows it's the same show?

Yeah, sure skip it next year but still. It could end up in tears anyway as in many places in Europe it doesn't matter if it's the next city having the gig as the customer base will be the same.

Many Europeans commute daily to work abroad and that's why they go abroad for gigs as well. They go grocery shopping abroad. Therefore, having seemingly 20 new European venues could well be they're not that new really.

You cut out his qualifying statement:

"I don't know I believe they are stadiums going foward, at least here in the U.S."

I feel that's probably pretty accurate here in the US. They could probably hit larger venues in a few key areas like LA, New York, Chicago, Boston etc... but the vast majority of other cities if this spins into a 3rd American leg in 2018 will probably have to drop down to Arena's or maybe smaller baseball venues.

The only acts that regularly sell out stadiums year after year in the US tend to be the pop based country shows and 'bro country' acts. The reason is they are usually like a mini festivals with 4 or 5 acts on the bill, and even then they tend to also rotate into smaller single act amphitheater shows.
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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2017, 09:28:43 AM »

Many Europeans commute daily to work abroad and that's why they go abroad for gigs as well. They go grocery shopping abroad. Therefore, having seemingly 20 new European venues could well be they're not that new really.


I think you may be making a sweeping generalisation there...
Well its quite true for people who live fairly close to a border. At least in my experience. Doing a weekend trip to your neighbour country is quite fun even for the smallest reason. And something is always cheaper elsewhere
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« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2017, 11:58:51 AM »

And something is always cheaper elsewhere

Yeah, also some little things like rent and taxes. For those who don't know it's sometimes really hard to see when you actually cross a border in the EU. Some crossings are marked better than others.

There are plenty of opportunities to work in a major city but still live just across a border elsewhere with huge savings. And as for groceries, many shops accept multiple currencies because there are so many regular customers crossing borders all the time.

Many people just don't live very far from an international border anyway.
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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2017, 12:02:08 PM »

And many people do.

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« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2017, 03:45:05 PM »

Another important factor is the ticket price.

Taking London as an example - those tickets are EXPENSIVE. Like, crazily so. And they seem to have sold ok (I actually saw a TV ad for the first time the other day, advertising tickets for both nights which seems to suggest there are significant tickets left to flog to justify buying a TV ad, but that's another debate). But this a one off. And for that people may pay a premium. This tour rolls around stadiums in the UK a year later, I'd say a MAJOR percentage of those people won't pay that price that again, if they don't view the concert as a 'ticking the box' exercise (which I honestly think a lot of people attending will, sadly.)

If the tour is to continue, and hit the same markets again, I'd say something has to give- size of venue, or ticket price. Or both. We're talking supply and demand- they've built up the demand for this tour and are currently reaping the financial rewards. That won't and can't last in any business model. They'll know that as well as we do.

I'd say what COULD be likely is a lucrative trawl around the massive array of soulless 'festivals' that seem to more prevalent than ever. That's a market they've not tapped yet. Personally, I can't stand music festivals, so I'd be happy for them to avoid that circuit, but I think a lot of the sort of very-casual music fan that attends these events would probably enjoy the opportunity to take a selfie while SCOM played!
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« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2017, 03:57:18 PM »

Another important factor is the ticket price.

Taking London as an example - those tickets are EXPENSIVE. Like, crazily so. And they seem to have sold ok (I actually saw a TV ad for the first time the other day, advertising tickets for both nights which seems to suggest there are significant tickets left to flog to justify buying a TV ad, but that's another debate). But this a one off. And for that people may pay a premium. This tour rolls around stadiums in the UK a year later, I'd say a MAJOR percentage of those people won't pay that price that again, if they don't view the concert as a 'ticking the box' exercise (which I honestly think a lot of people attending will, sadly.)

If the tour is to continue, and hit the same markets again, I'd say something has to give- size of venue, or ticket price. Or both. We're talking supply and demand- they've built up the demand for this tour and are currently reaping the financial rewards. That won't and can't last in any business model. They'll know that as well as we do.

I'd say what COULD be likely is a lucrative trawl around the massive array of soulless 'festivals' that seem to more prevalent than ever. That's a market they've not tapped yet. Personally, I can't stand music festivals, so I'd be happy for them to avoid that circuit, but I think a lot of the sort of very-casual music fan that attends these events would probably enjoy the opportunity to take a selfie while SCOM played!
The British economy is doing a whole lot better than most other countries and to be honest, those prices aren't nothing compared to the likes of Adele, Ed Sheerin, U2 and even your Lady Gaga all sold out super quick. The sad thing for the UK is just 2 shows, they could easily have added 2nights in Manchester or Leeds 'Football stadiums and Glasgow and sold them out too IMHO
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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2017, 05:12:08 PM »

1991: Wembley Stadium
1992: Wembley Stadium, Manchester, Newcastle (Gateshead)
1993: Milton Keynes x 2

2017: London Stadium x 2

I can see more UK dates on another leg if they decide to tour more in Europe (yes, I include the UK in Europe Cheesy ).


By the way, London was the only city that AC/DC came back to on their latest tour.



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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2017, 05:37:19 PM »

Another important factor is the ticket price.

Taking London as an example - those tickets are EXPENSIVE. Like, crazily so. And they seem to have sold ok (I actually saw a TV ad for the first time the other day, advertising tickets for both nights which seems to suggest there are significant tickets left to flog to justify buying a TV ad, but that's another debate). But this a one off. And for that people may pay a premium. This tour rolls around stadiums in the UK a year later, I'd say a MAJOR percentage of those people won't pay that price that again, if they don't view the concert as a 'ticking the box' exercise (which I honestly think a lot of people attending will, sadly.)

If the tour is to continue, and hit the same markets again, I'd say something has to give- size of venue, or ticket price. Or both. We're talking supply and demand- they've built up the demand for this tour and are currently reaping the financial rewards. That won't and can't last in any business model. They'll know that as well as we do.

I'd say what COULD be likely is a lucrative trawl around the massive array of soulless 'festivals' that seem to more prevalent than ever. That's a market they've not tapped yet. Personally, I can't stand music festivals, so I'd be happy for them to avoid that circuit, but I think a lot of the sort of very-casual music fan that attends these events would probably enjoy the opportunity to take a selfie while SCOM played!
The British economy is doing a whole lot better than most other countries and to be honest, those prices aren't nothing compared to the likes of Adele, Ed Sheerin, U2 and even your Lady Gaga all sold out super quick. The sad thing for the UK is just 2 shows, they could easily have added 2nights in Manchester or Leeds 'Football stadiums and Glasgow and sold them out too IMHO

I think the prices of the Guns tickets eclipsed all of those didn't it? Certainly more expensive than Adele and Ed Sheerin- by quite a long way. The Lady Gaga tour has sold poorly in the UK- and she's at indoor Arenas. I'm not sure about U2s standing tickets but some seats were ?40. You can't even get the worst seats to see Guns for twice that, sadly. Gigs really are becoming obscenely expensive, and I can't be alone in being totally priced out of them now. That's what I find sad.

I'm not sure at those prices the UK could sustain much more than two shows in London. I'm actually not sure how well they've sold. As I mentioned above, a TV advert now would suggest there are still plenty of tickets left but it's very hard to tell. The practices of the Ticket Agencies are so shady now (selling their allocations through their own touting sites etc) that it's hard to know actually how well a gig has sold really. Allegedly 'sold out' gigs are often very far from it (google 'Rhianna Wembley Stadium' and prepare to be absolutely amazed!).

So....I'm not sure really that the UK could hold more gigs of that size and price level. I'm not 'inside' enough to know how many tickets are not sold yet. I'm of the thinking though that a gig in Scotland might have been ok, but anything further south than that would have struggled. But I don't know at all obviously. It's all conjecture.
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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2017, 05:38:49 PM »

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1992: Wembley Stadium, Manchester, Newcastle (Gateshead)
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2017: London Stadium x 2

I can see more UK dates on another leg if they decide to tour more in Europe (yes, I include the UK in Europe Cheesy ).


By the way, London was the only city that AC/DC came back to on their latest tour.



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Do you mean London was the only city they came back to on the same tour, or on different tours?
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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2017, 07:07:57 PM »

Do you mean London was the only city they came back to on the same tour, or on different tours?

Same tour, different singers. Rock Or Bust, Wembley in 2015 and London Stadium with Axl in 2016.



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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2017, 07:16:16 PM »

Do you mean London was the only city they came back to on the same tour, or on different tours?

Same tour, different singers. Rock Or Bust, Wembley in 2015 and London Stadium with Axl in 2016.



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That's interesting- I really didn't know that. AC/DC are one of those bands I totally forget are quite as popular as they are, and have been for years. They just routinely fill stadiums in any corner of the world, and have done for literally decades, with very little hype or press.
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« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2017, 02:25:30 AM »

Another important factor is the ticket price.

Taking London as an example - those tickets are EXPENSIVE. Like, crazily so. And they seem to have sold ok (I actually saw a TV ad for the first time the other day, advertising tickets for both nights which seems to suggest there are significant tickets left to flog to justify buying a TV ad, but that's another debate). But this a one off. And for that people may pay a premium. This tour rolls around stadiums in the UK a year later, I'd say a MAJOR percentage of those people won't pay that price that again, if they don't view the concert as a 'ticking the box' exercise (which I honestly think a lot of people attending will, sadly.)

If the tour is to continue, and hit the same markets again, I'd say something has to give- size of venue, or ticket price. Or both. We're talking supply and demand- they've built up the demand for this tour and are currently reaping the financial rewards. That won't and can't last in any business model. They'll know that as well as we do.

I'd say what COULD be likely is a lucrative trawl around the massive array of soulless 'festivals' that seem to more prevalent than ever. That's a market they've not tapped yet. Personally, I can't stand music festivals, so I'd be happy for them to avoid that circuit, but I think a lot of the sort of very-casual music fan that attends these events would probably enjoy the opportunity to take a selfie while SCOM played!
The British economy is doing a whole lot better than most other countries and to be honest, those prices aren't nothing compared to the likes of Adele, Ed Sheerin, U2 and even your Lady Gaga all sold out super quick. The sad thing for the UK is just 2 shows, they could easily have added 2nights in Manchester or Leeds 'Football stadiums and Glasgow and sold them out too IMHO

I think the prices of the Guns tickets eclipsed all of those didn't it? Certainly more expensive than Adele and Ed Sheerin- by quite a long way. The Lady Gaga tour has sold poorly in the UK- and she's at indoor Arenas. I'm not sure about U2s standing tickets but some seats were ?40. You can't even get the worst seats to see Guns for twice that, sadly. Gigs really are becoming obscenely expensive, and I can't be alone in being totally priced out of them now. That's what I find sad.

I'm not sure at those prices the UK could sustain much more than two shows in London. I'm actually not sure how well they've sold. As I mentioned above, a TV advert now would suggest there are still plenty of tickets left but it's very hard to tell. The practices of the Ticket Agencies are so shady now (selling their allocations through their own touting sites etc) that it's hard to know actually how well a gig has sold really. Allegedly 'sold out' gigs are often very far from it (google 'Rhianna Wembley Stadium' and prepare to be absolutely amazed!).

So....I'm not sure really that the UK could hold more gigs of that size and price level. I'm not 'inside' enough to know how many tickets are not sold yet. I'm of the thinking though that a gig in Scotland might have been ok, but anything further south than that would have struggled. But I don't know at all obviously. It's all conjecture.

I can only go on the experiences of friends and work colleagues who have all said that they've either not paid the prices to get tickets to those acts I've mentioned, or if if they did them how much more than I've paid to see Guns (?192 for 2 standing in London) The U2 tickets were ?140 each sitting in the gods, Gaga was just over ?100 each and the best my mate could do for Ed Sheerin and Adele was ?200+, a pop.

The prices maybe not what the face value of these were originally advertised at but, its the only ones available after going on sale. Yes you are spot on about Ticket agencies and their shady practises, which do drive up prices. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/rihanna-sold-out-wembley-stadium-concert-was-half-empty-touts-a7116896.html  I've looked at that Rhianna at Wembley article and TBH I hope a few more fans give the same fuck you to those touts and they go out of business, sadly its always the fans though that lose in this. Cry
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« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2017, 07:33:01 AM »

That's interesting- I really didn't know that. AC/DC are one of those bands I totally forget are quite as popular as they are, and have been for years. They just routinely fill stadiums in any corner of the world, and have done for literally decades, with very little hype or press.

They did two stadium legs in Europe on that tour. In North America, they did one stadium plus one arena leg.

So in comparison, GN'R is one stadium leg short in Europe, but they're doing a bigger second North American leg.  hihi


Plus the fact that GN'R toured Europe more than once on the UYI tour...



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« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2017, 07:45:17 AM »

On a sidenote I just learned that Metallica tour Europe next year and have already started ticket sales Huh

Aren't they supposed to do quite well as well? I could go, let's see where and obviously the when doesn't matter for the time being.
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« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2017, 08:04:24 AM »

On a sidenote I just learned that Metallica tour Europe next year and have already started ticket sales Huh

Aren't they supposed to do quite well as well? I could go, let's see where and obviously the when doesn't matter for the time being.

They're playing arenas in Europe. Two nights in many cities.




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« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2017, 10:59:50 AM »

Another important factor is the ticket price.

Taking London as an example - those tickets are EXPENSIVE. Like, crazily so. And they seem to have sold ok (I actually saw a TV ad for the first time the other day, advertising tickets for both nights which seems to suggest there are significant tickets left to flog to justify buying a TV ad, but that's another debate). But this a one off. And for that people may pay a premium. This tour rolls around stadiums in the UK a year later, I'd say a MAJOR percentage of those people won't pay that price that again, if they don't view the concert as a 'ticking the box' exercise (which I honestly think a lot of people attending will, sadly.)

If the tour is to continue, and hit the same markets again, I'd say something has to give- size of venue, or ticket price. Or both. We're talking supply and demand- they've built up the demand for this tour and are currently reaping the financial rewards. That won't and can't last in any business model. They'll know that as well as we do.

I'd say what COULD be likely is a lucrative trawl around the massive array of soulless 'festivals' that seem to more prevalent than ever. That's a market they've not tapped yet. Personally, I can't stand music festivals, so I'd be happy for them to avoid that circuit, but I think a lot of the sort of very-casual music fan that attends these events would probably enjoy the opportunity to take a selfie while SCOM played!
The British economy is doing a whole lot better than most other countries and to be honest, those prices aren't nothing compared to the likes of Adele, Ed Sheerin, U2 and even your Lady Gaga all sold out super quick. The sad thing for the UK is just 2 shows, they could easily have added 2nights in Manchester or Leeds 'Football stadiums and Glasgow and sold them out too IMHO

I think the prices of the Guns tickets eclipsed all of those didn't it? Certainly more expensive than Adele and Ed Sheerin- by quite a long way. The Lady Gaga tour has sold poorly in the UK- and she's at indoor Arenas. I'm not sure about U2s standing tickets but some seats were ?40. You can't even get the worst seats to see Guns for twice that, sadly. Gigs really are becoming obscenely expensive, and I can't be alone in being totally priced out of them now. That's what I find sad.

I'm not sure at those prices the UK could sustain much more than two shows in London. I'm actually not sure how well they've sold. As I mentioned above, a TV advert now would suggest there are still plenty of tickets left but it's very hard to tell. The practices of the Ticket Agencies are so shady now (selling their allocations through their own touting sites etc) that it's hard to know actually how well a gig has sold really. Allegedly 'sold out' gigs are often very far from it (google 'Rhianna Wembley Stadium' and prepare to be absolutely amazed!).

So....I'm not sure really that the UK could hold more gigs of that size and price level. I'm not 'inside' enough to know how many tickets are not sold yet. I'm of the thinking though that a gig in Scotland might have been ok, but anything further south than that would have struggled. But I don't know at all obviously. It's all conjecture.

I can only go on the experiences of friends and work colleagues who have all said that they've either not paid the prices to get tickets to those acts I've mentioned, or if if they did them how much more than I've paid to see Guns (?192 for 2 standing in London) The U2 tickets were ?140 each sitting in the gods, Gaga was just over ?100 each and the best my mate could do for Ed Sheerin and Adele was ?200+, a pop.

The prices maybe not what the face value of these were originally advertised at but, its the only ones available after going on sale. Yes you are spot on about Ticket agencies and their shady practises, which do drive up prices. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/rihanna-sold-out-wembley-stadium-concert-was-half-empty-touts-a7116896.html  I've looked at that Rhianna at Wembley article and TBH I hope a few more fans give the same fuck you to those touts and they go out of business, sadly its always the fans though that lose in this. Cry

I think those prices your friends paid are touts prices sadly. I was (almost!) considering U2 tickets as they were ?40, but decided against it at the last moment as they were in the gods, and I'm not really that much of a u2 fan at all! Ed Sheeran tickets were ?70 standing without fees, Adele ?75. I've just had a look.

Totally agree with you about touts- I hope more circumstances like that Rhianna show occur to further highlight the problem.
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« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2017, 06:00:24 PM »

On a sidenote I just learned that Metallica tour Europe next year and have already started ticket sales Huh

Aren't they supposed to do quite well as well? I could go, let's see where and obviously the when doesn't matter for the time being.

They're playing arenas in Europe. Two nights in many cities.




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« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2017, 07:53:45 PM »

On a sidenote I just learned that Metallica tour Europe next year and have already started ticket sales Huh

Aren't they supposed to do quite well as well? I could go, let's see where and obviously the when doesn't matter for the time being.

They're playing arenas in Europe. Two nights in many cities.




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Matallica will play smaller ace in Europe than Guns n Roses...One Gnr gig is like 4 Metalluca gigs

...but Metallica play in Europe pretty much every year, either a festival or their own tour. It's nothing special or out of the ordinary when they do a show.
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« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2017, 06:52:10 PM »

On a sidenote I just learned that Metallica tour Europe next year and have already started ticket sales Huh

Aren't they supposed to do quite well as well? I could go, let's see where and obviously the when doesn't matter for the time being.
They just sold-out about 20 000 tickets in minutes for May... 2018.

Its Quite ridiculous, how im supposed to know what im doing and where in 14 months. Anyway it dosent matter cause i didnt score a ticket.
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« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2017, 11:38:15 PM »

On a sidenote I just learned that Metallica tour Europe next year and have already started ticket sales Huh

Aren't they supposed to do quite well as well? I could go, let's see where and obviously the when doesn't matter for the time being.
They just sold-out about 20 000 tickets in minutes for May... 2018.

Its Quite ridiculous, how im supposed to know what im doing and where in 14 months. Anyway it dosent matter cause i didnt score a ticket.

So Guns n roses.   Did this exact same thing on this scone leg of this North American leg.   You are right it is stupid to think you actually know what's good by on a year in the future.   It's great for the band.  Just like everything else on. This tour.  But what the benefit to the fans
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« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2017, 08:01:07 AM »

On a sidenote I just learned that Metallica tour Europe next year and have already started ticket sales Huh

Aren't they supposed to do quite well as well? I could go, let's see where and obviously the when doesn't matter for the time being.
They just sold-out about 20 000 tickets in minutes for May... 2018.

Its Quite ridiculous, how im supposed to know what im doing and where in 14 months. Anyway it dosent matter cause i didnt score a ticket.

So Guns n roses.   Did this exact same thing on this scone leg of this North American leg.   You are right it is stupid to think you actually know what's good by on a year in the future.   It's great for the band.  Just like everything else on. This tour.  But what the benefit to the fans
Didnt the tickets for the north american tour 2017 came on sale couple months ago.
14 months would mean that they went on sale on May 2016.

Putting tickets on sale 6-8 months in advance in my book is ok. 9-14 months is overkill.
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« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2017, 01:46:28 PM »

On a sidenote I just learned that Metallica tour Europe next year and have already started ticket sales Huh

Aren't they supposed to do quite well as well? I could go, let's see where and obviously the when doesn't matter for the time being.
They just sold-out about 20 000 tickets in minutes for May... 2018.

Its Quite ridiculous, how im supposed to know what im doing and where in 14 months. Anyway it dosent matter cause i didnt score a ticket.

So Guns n roses.   Did this exact same thing on this scone leg of this North American leg.   You are right it is stupid to think you actually know what's good by on a year in the future.   It's great for the band.  Just like everything else on. This tour.  But what the benefit to the fans
Didnt the tickets for the north american tour 2017 came on sale couple months ago.
14 months would mean that they went on sale on May 2016.

Putting tickets on sale 6-8 months in advance in my book is ok. 9-14 months is overkill.

Tickets for the late aug Edmonton show went on sale in early dec

That's a long long time to pre book ones life

It's not just guns though.  It seems every major act is doing this these days
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« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2017, 02:39:07 PM »

Yes, they put all the summer dates on sale at the same time in early December.

At least we don't hear the "will they tour in the summer? I can't make plans until I know" comments from people like the above poster. Cheesy



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« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2017, 05:17:29 PM »

Yes, they put all the summer dates on sale at the same time in early December.

At least we don't hear the "will they tour in the summer? I can't make plans until I know" comments from people like the above poster. Cheesy



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« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2017, 09:58:35 PM »

Like Natalie pointed out, it's not always about a lack of a venue.

In some places, they could put the show in a park, or parking lot if there's no suitable stadium around.
On the upcoming European leg, some shows are in places like that (Lisbon, Hannover, H?meenlinna, Nijmegen etc).


The promoters are in the business of making money. If they don't think they can make any on a GN'R show, they won't make the show happen...


But there does seem to be a bunch of possible places for another European tour to visit.

Of the ones Spirit listed, I suspect some would be more likely than others. And this is just me as a fan speculating, knowing where GN'R has played in the past.

Athens (Terra Vibe Park seems like a popular venue there)
Budapest
Sofia?
Kiev?
Russia?
Bucharest?
Maybe even Estonia?
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« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2017, 02:14:34 PM »

Guns N' Roses were 2016's highest-earning world tour per city

Iconic rockstars were some of the most profitable performers per city on average last year for world tours
Guns N' Roses topped the list, with the legendary group earning an average per city gross of $5,004,737
Justin Bieber was second on the list with $1,676,016, before two more rockers - the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Stevie Nicks - took out the next two places with averages per city of $1,487,928 and $898,269 respectively

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4351290/Most-lucrative-global-tours-city-2016-revealed.html

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« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2017, 02:53:18 PM »

Guns N' Roses were 2016's highest-earning world tour per city

Iconic rockstars were some of the most profitable performers per city on average last year for world tours
Guns N' Roses topped the list, with the legendary group earning an average per city gross of $5,004,737
Justin Bieber was second on the list with $1,676,016, before two more rockers - the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Stevie Nicks - took out the next two places with averages per city of $1,487,928 and $898,269 respectively

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4351290/Most-lucrative-global-tours-city-2016-revealed.html

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I saw the above article, but I'm curious to where they got their info from. Looking at Pollstar's reports, Bruce Springsteen, Beyonce and Coldplay should be in there. Also, I think The Rolling Stones actually had the highest average per city gross of over $9,000,000. They didn't play that many shows though, so their total wasn't among the tours at the very top.
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