November 3rd, 2018 - Monterrey, Mexico

[jarmo]

The official GN'R web site has added a new date on November 3rd, 2018 in Monterrey, Mexico. The show will be part of the Mother of all Festivals at the Parque Fundidora.

Fan club presale starts on July 12th at 10am. Public on sale on July 16th at 10:30am.





/jarmo

[jarmo]

http://www.motherofallfest.com.mx/




/jarmo

[HBK]

Orale Cuates !!!

 

[jarmo]

They just announced more acts for the festival, including Steel Panther, Wolfmother, Garbage, Sammy Hagar, Whitesnake and more.



/jarmo

[Nytunz]

Whitesnake warm up for guns. That would be cool to experience

[jarmo]

/jarmo

[cineater]

Wait, the Queen movie comes out on the 2nd.  Can't miss that.  Anybody willing to facebook live it to the band?     We've got skills in that area.

[GypsySoul]

Don't know if there will be any videos or streaming or whatever on the festival's official youtube page but here's the link anyways:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzAT5EfVtv8pl7oh_8dDSOA

According to Jarmo's previous post of the festival's stage time listing, GNR is scheduled to go on at 10:05 local time.  Jarmo posted a link in the tour section that you can click on to see what the time difference translates to your local time:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=66738.0

[Muerto]

Wait, the Queen movie comes out on the 2nd.  Can't miss that.  Anybody willing to facebook live it to the band?     We've got skills in that area.

Duff, Richard and Slash didn't miss it !!! ... 

http://www.elhorizonte.mx/escena/captan-a-guns-n-roses-en-cine-regio-vieron-bohemian-rhapsody/2347825

[GypsySoul]

Guns N' Roses @gunsnroses
🇲🇽 MONTERREY 🇲🇽

[allwaystired]

Excited to be back to this!

Hope those going enjoy the fuck out if it! As ever, I'm there in spirit!

[GypsySoul]

https://www.facebook.com/eduardo.chaconramirez.5/videos/10157108615608623/

https://www.facebook.com/erickacecilia.hernandezdiaz/videos/1928662657224535/

https://www.facebook.com/erickacecilia.hernandezdiaz/videos/1928646747226126/

https://www.facebook.com/erickacecilia.hernandezdiaz/videos/1928634033894064/

https://www.facebook.com/monterreyrock/videos/356106208491340/

https://www.facebook.com/erickacecilia.hernandezdiaz/videos/1928619720562162/

https://www.facebook.com/Destination4Festival/videos/112161939722567/

https://www.facebook.com/berenice.tovar.522/videos/348260259265904/

https://www.facebook.com/monterreyrock/videos/187011012209687/

https://www.facebook.com/ahmed.briseno/videos/363027544274980/

https://www.facebook.com/monterreyrock/videos/340267026738343/

https://www.facebook.com/gunsnroses/videos/276778916306991/  (official gnr facebook)

https://www.facebook.com/erickacecilia.hernandezdiaz/videos/1928491677241633/

https://www.facebook.com/quiltshop.rl/videos/2174321612886283/

[GypsySoul]

deljamesgang  Guns N’ Fuckin’ Roses!

[izzyjim]

From the bits and clips I've seen (Thanks Gypsy!) it looks like the same (awesome) setlist.
Is it correct?

[jarmo]

It’s So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Chinese Democracy, Welcome To The Jungle, Double Talkin’ Jive, Better, Estranged, Live And Let Die, Slither, Rocket Queen, You Could Be Mine, You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory/Attitude, This I Love, Civil War, Coma, Band Intros, Slash Solo (Godfather)/Sweet Child O' Mine, Wichita Lineman (Glen Campbell cover), Wish You Were Here/November Rain, Black Hole Sun, Only Women Bleed (instrumental)/Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Nightrain

Encore: Jam (Melissa)/Patience, Don’t Cry, The Seeker, Paradise City


/jarmo

[bolton]

For first video I've seen (except TIL) ,Axl was very goo on first show...

In past he had bad days on first shows (RIR,Berlin...)...
Now he was in fire...

[rebelhipi]

Seems like they have a new stage.
Or is it just rhe festival setup?
Looks great.

[echeguns]

Haven’t posted in a while but I guess I’ll say it. I was really hoping for some changes in the set list.  I figured Shadow of Your Love would be added since it was the unofficial single from the box set. Not hating as I love this set list and they rock it but a few tweaks even if new covers would have been cool. 

[allwaystired]

Haven’t posted in a while but I guess I’ll say it. I was really hoping for some changes in the set list.  I figured Shadow of Your Love would be added since it was the unofficial single from the box set. Not hating as I love this set list and they rock it but a few tweaks even if new covers would have been cool. 

It was added in the last leg of the tour....I expect it might be back again at some point.

[reayj2003]

Seems like they have a new stage.
Or is it just rhe festival setup?
Looks great.

Think it’s probably a case of “Welcome to the Budget”. The set up has been reduced each year.

[rebelhipi]

Seems like they have a new stage.
Or is it just rhe festival setup?
Looks great.

Think it’s probably a case of “Welcome to the Budget”. The set up has been reduced each year.

Has it?
I didnt see any difference between 2017 and 2018 euro shows

[ITARocker]

For first video I've seen (except TIL) ,Axl was very goo on first show...

In past he had bad days on first shows (RIR,Berlin...)...
Now he was in fire...

as much as i like him, his voice is clearly shot. Hope he will rest a little

[reayj2003]

Seems like they have a new stage.
Or is it just rhe festival setup?
Looks great.

Think it’s probably a case of “Welcome to the Budget”. The set up has been reduced each year.

Has it?
I didnt see any difference between 2017 and 2018 euro shows

Perhaps not- definitely changed from the original 2016 US run.

[SV4GNR]

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

[ITARocker]

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

[Ginger King]

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

But doesn't history show the opposite???  That he actually gets better vocally as the tour goes on?  The beginning of each leg of the tour he doesn't sound as good/powerful but then, once he gets a few under his belt, it all (or a lot of it) comes back.  If he sounds like this at the end of this tour, then yes, something's up.  Otherwise, it's business as usual so far.

[Ali]

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

No, just no. This is ridiculously off base.

Ali

[rebelhipi]

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

Too bad they havent got you as aback up singer to save the shows

[Ali]

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

Too bad they havent got you as aback up singer to save the shows

Lol.

I went to shows in 2016 and 2017, and honestly heard/saw no appreciable difference. I watched 5 videos from this Mexico show. The only thing I heard was that Axl was not holding his notes as long. That could be due to something as innocuous as a cold. There was no significant tonal difference. Of course, he will only settle in more and more into a groove as the tour progresses.

Ali

[(t)]

I watched a couple of videos and it did sound like Axl was consciously singing a little differently. A lot of clean-low voice on Nightrain which actually sounds pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B36iuxmnhio

[ITARocker]

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

Too bad they havent got you as aback up singer to save the shows

They don't need me,  they (he) just need to rest.

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

Too bad they havent got you as aback up singer to save the shows

Lol.

I went to shows in 2016 and 2017, and honestly heard/saw no appreciable difference. I watched 5 videos from this Mexico show. The only thing I heard was that Axl was not holding his notes as long. That could be due to something as innocuous as a cold. There was no significant tonal difference. Of course, he will only settle in more and more into a groove as the tour progresses.

Ali

no way dude...in 2016 the texture of his voice was very different... You can listen almost every 2016 concert without saying "WTF!?" ... 2018 he sings full falsetto and he's mainly out of breath and tune and you can hear cracks everywhere, it's a mess, if you can't (or don't want) hear it i don't know what  to say. If you are telling me that he's singin coma like the first shows  while he was sitting on his behind i think you have to change your ears. His voice is shot, and sometimes i hope people surrounding him would tell him to stop at the right time. Stressing already stressed vocal cords is not a very intelligent thing to do.

[Ali]

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

Too bad they havent got you as aback up singer to save the shows

They don't need me,  they (he) just need to rest.

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

Too bad they havent got you as aback up singer to save the shows

Lol.

I went to shows in 2016 and 2017, and honestly heard/saw no appreciable difference. I watched 5 videos from this Mexico show. The only thing I heard was that Axl was not holding his notes as long. That could be due to something as innocuous as a cold. There was no significant tonal difference. Of course, he will only settle in more and more into a groove as the tour progresses.

Ali

no way dude...in 2016 the texture of his voice was very different... You can listen almost every 2016 concert without saying "WTF!?" ... 2018 he sings full falsetto and he's mainly out of breath and tune and you can hear cracks everywhere, it's a mess, if you can't (or don't want) hear it i don't know what  to say. If you are telling me that he's singin coma like the first shows  while he was sitting on his behind i think you have to change your ears. His voice is shot, and sometimes i hope people surrounding him would tell him to stop at the right time. Stressing already stressed vocal cords is not a very intelligent thing to do.

I completely disagree and think you are completely off base.

Ali

[allwaystired]

I absolutely can't be fucked to trawl through rubbish camera phone footage (in my view, people who stand and film the concert on their phone absolutely kill the atmosphere and I don't really want to encourage it too much), so maybe I'm speaking out of turn.....but I don't see that his voice can possibly be that bad.

The 2018 show I saw I thought he sounded absolutely great on. Maybe it's the 'being in the moment' thing (you know, actually recognising I'm actually at a live gig and not wanting to stand there stock still looking at a mobile phone) or perhaps I got 'lucky' on the night I went, but I just didn't see anything to complain about vocally.

Have things deteriorated massively from then to now? Really? I doubt it.

[Ali]

I absolutely can't be fucked to trawl through rubbish camera phone footage (in my view, people who stand and film the concert on their phone absolutely kill the atmosphere and I don't really want to encourage it too much), so maybe I'm speaking out of turn.....but I don't see that his voice can possibly be that bad.

The 2018 show I saw I thought he sounded absolutely great on. Maybe it's the 'being in the moment' thing (you know, actually recognising I'm actually at a live gig and not wanting to stand there stock still looking at a mobile phone) or perhaps I got 'lucky' on the night I went, but I just didn't see anything to complain about vocally.

Have things deteriorated massively from then to now? Really? I doubt it.

No. I wasn't at any shows this summer, but I also doubt it. Of course, there will be some nights, and some songs, that vary in performance. But, welcome to the world of live music. Overall, he was very consistent from 2016-2017 from when I saw him.

Ali

[Six Strings]

I was in Wrehter 2017 and Downloads Madrid 2018. I was with the same 4 people in both concerts and all of them were saying that Axl was actually better in Madrid than in Brussels. How about that?

[DeN]

"The rehearsals… it's been really, really cool. It's like now I know the benefits of rehearsals for the first time in my life."


and then he forgot.

[PermissionToLand]

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

But doesn't history show the opposite???  That he actually gets better vocally as the tour goes on?  The beginning of each leg of the tour he doesn't sound as good/powerful but then, once he gets a few under his belt, it all (or a lot of it) comes back.  If he sounds like this at the end of this tour, then yes, something's up.  Otherwise, it's business as usual so far.

Um, no? The only time that may have been true was the UYI tour when his voice was still young. He sounded bad in '91 and excellent in '92, but even still started getting rough by '93. The next long tour he did was after CD came out and he sounded great in 2009-2010, and after that only got worse. 2016 sounded like classic Axl almost, then he progressively lost power and rasp through 2017. That's his problem, he's never known when to stop and rest his voice.

IDK where you people get the idea that the vocal chords are like a muscle; getting stronger with use. No, they wear out with use. This is a well established biological fact.

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

Too bad they havent got you as aback up singer to save the shows

They don't need me,  they (he) just need to rest.

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

Too bad they havent got you as aback up singer to save the shows

Lol.

I went to shows in 2016 and 2017, and honestly heard/saw no appreciable difference. I watched 5 videos from this Mexico show. The only thing I heard was that Axl was not holding his notes as long. That could be due to something as innocuous as a cold. There was no significant tonal difference. Of course, he will only settle in more and more into a groove as the tour progresses.

Ali

no way dude...in 2016 the texture of his voice was very different... You can listen almost every 2016 concert without saying "WTF!?" ... 2018 he sings full falsetto and he's mainly out of breath and tune and you can hear cracks everywhere, it's a mess, if you can't (or don't want) hear it i don't know what  to say. If you are telling me that he's singin coma like the first shows  while he was sitting on his behind i think you have to change your ears. His voice is shot, and sometimes i hope people surrounding him would tell him to stop at the right time. Stressing already stressed vocal cords is not a very intelligent thing to do.

Yeah the cracks are especially obvious. Just listen to the bridge of Better. People are just being willfully ignorant about this.

[GypsySoul]

"The rehearsals… it's been really, really cool. It's like now I know the benefits of rehearsals for the first time in my life."


and then he forgot.

He didn't forget.  He just realized he was mistaken when he made that comment.
Think about it.  Before Slash and Duff rejoined, no rehearsals and start times were 3, 4 or more hours later than they are now so there was plenty of vocal cord rest n' prep time.  IT'S ALL SLASH N' DUFF'S FAULT!!! 

 

TBH, I have more concerns with Slash.  I hope it's just his style of playing but he seems to be deep in concentration when he plays. How is it possible for someone to be just standing there while playing Johnny B. Goode??  Not saying that Slash doesn't do Chuck Berry proud with his rendition but even Marty McFly moved with the groove!!!

Note to Slash:  Forget the handstands.....  DUCKWALK!!! 

[allwaystired]

I think basically all criticisms of anything could be covered under 'natural fatigue'. They've been tpuring a long time now- after these dates, recharging and looking at the next move is vital.

[Ali]

I was in Wrehter 2017 and Downloads Madrid 2018. I was with the same 4 people in both concerts and all of them were saying that Axl was actually better in Madrid than in Brussels. How about that?

That will be ignored, unfortunately, by some because those of us who disagree with their point are being "willfully ignorant".

Ali

[cineater]

Note to Slash:  Forget the handstands.....  DUCKWALK!!! 

   I vote for that! 

[Sillything]

Could be lack of cardio? I know he seemed like he was in better shape at the start of the NITL tour which would def make his vocals stronger.

Naa...he clearly has vocal chords issues. He can't sustain his head/clean voice and when he tries to add some rasp he loses control and u can hear cracks everywhere.  Even those few ghosts tracks he uses couldn't help him at all. Worst concert since Rio but overall it's in the same league of those 2018 shows: more miss than hit. I think this last leg of the tour will be a nightmare, we've been there already  2016 was very good (fantastic thinking about ac dc), 2017 still decent, 2018 really bad and it can only get worse at this point.

Ghost tracks???

[PermissionToLand]

I was in Wrehter 2017 and Downloads Madrid 2018. I was with the same 4 people in both concerts and all of them were saying that Axl was actually better in Madrid than in Brussels. How about that?

That will be ignored, unfortunately, by some because those of us who disagree with their point are being "willfully ignorant".

Ali

Ignored? Let's dive straight into it. Brussels 2017: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHf8aLDT7VE

Madrid 2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9FO0jr5Tw4

Yeah, "willfully ignorant" pretty much describes it.

[PermissionToLand]

I was in Wrehter 2017 and Downloads Madrid 2018. I was with the same 4 people in both concerts and all of them were saying that Axl was actually better in Madrid than in Brussels. How about that?

That will be ignored, unfortunately, by some because those of us who disagree with their point are being "willfully ignorant".

Ali

Huh... no response. And it's us who are ignoring evidence?

[Six Strings]

I was in Wrehter 2017 and Downloads Madrid 2018. I was with the same 4 people in both concerts and all of them were saying that Axl was actually better in Madrid than in Brussels. How about that?

That will be ignored, unfortunately, by some because those of us who disagree with their point are being "willfully ignorant".

Ali

Huh... no response. And it's us who are ignoring evidence?

Firstly, I don't live in the forum to begin with. I saw your replies now. Secondly, have you been at the shows or it's just keyboard typing on youtube videos? From what I can see the quality of your videos are very different not to say that the Madrid one sucks. Thirdly, I am quoting you what my friends told me and these people have been on both venues including myself. And finally, I really enjoyed both of the shows and cannot tell which once I would prefer and in which one Axl's voice was better. No hard feelings, if you think Axl was better 2017 compared to 2018 let it be so.

[Ali]

I was in Wrehter 2017 and Downloads Madrid 2018. I was with the same 4 people in both concerts and all of them were saying that Axl was actually better in Madrid than in Brussels. How about that?

That will be ignored, unfortunately, by some because those of us who disagree with their point are being "willfully ignorant".

Ali

Huh... no response. And it's us who are ignoring evidence?

Firstly, I don't live in the forum to begin with. I saw your replies now. Secondly, have you been at the shows or it's just keyboard typing on youtube videos? From what I can see the quality of your videos are very different not to say that the Madrid one sucks. Thirdly, I am quoting you what my friends told me and these people have been on both venues including myself. And finally, I really enjoyed both of the shows and cannot tell which once I would prefer and in which one Axl's voice was better. No hard feelings, if you think Axl was better 2017 compared to 2018 let it be so.

Yes. The quality of recording is different. IMO, the vocals are more clearly audible in the 2017 video. Also, IMO, there are subtle tonal and phrasing differences, but not this dramatic difference. Third, Six Strings is talking about his and his friends opinions on the whole shows.

Ali