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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2018, 11:12:07 AM »

Funny thing: CD is the last album I physically bought.

....and people wonder why the music industry is in trouble!

I think the operative word in ITA's statement was "album".  At least it is for me.

I don't download anything illegally.  But I also can't remember the last time I bought an album.  It was after CD....but not for the past few years.

I will occasionally buy single tracks, here and there.  But honestly, with Spotify Premium.....I can listen to just about anything I want without having to permanently buy anything. The subscription model works better for me....and I actually spend less per year than I used to on music (by a LOT)!  If there's something out there that I want 5eva, or that isn't on Spotify....I buy that. There's just not much coming out, for new music, I feel strongly enough about to buy an entire album.

Labels have killed the music industry.....and artists are realizing the best way to make money is to do live shows.  New music is just a way to promote those shows, really. 

 
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« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2018, 08:00:44 AM »


Such a good article... It kind of answers, or rather, sums up a lot of questions or empty spaces I had of that period.
I am a huge fan of Thommy Stinson's GnR era. He was there for a very long time... I hope that he and Axl are still in good terms and that hopefully we will see some of the -ex new band members in some form.
I did not know Atlas shrugged had leaked...I caught Going down though and I liked it a lot... If anyone did catch Atlas feel free to pm me  Grin beer
"Tommy Stinson, who says he hasn't listened to Chinese Democracy since he helped record it, provides his take on Axl's unfinished masterpiece: "All I can is…that record was not meant to be one disc." Chinese Democracy remains curiously incomplete, and though the numbers vary, there seem to be at least 60 different tracks that were at least partially finished when the first part of Chinese Democracy was released." 
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"All of the material that hadn't been released was coming out in 2016, then, the reunion happened," says one source
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« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2018, 08:18:02 AM »

I had a dream two nights ago. After reading this article:

I went to a small record store and found chinese with the red hand cover (the one i use as a avatar) and due to a missprint This I Love was replaced by Atlas Shrugged.

I went home listened to it, and wondered how could i share what i found without getting in trouble so i came here in htgth. And asked Jarmo what should i do. At this point i woke up.  Cheesy



No Atlas Shrugged for now. As far as i know that song was never leaked, contrary to the article.
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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2018, 09:02:17 AM »

I had a dream two nights ago. After reading this article:

I went to a small record store and found chinese with the red hand cover (the one i use as a avatar) and due to a missprint This I Love was replaced by Atlas Shrugged.

I went home listened to it, and wondered how could i share what i found without getting in trouble so i came here in htgth. And asked Jarmo what should i do. At this point i woke up.  Cheesy



No Atlas Shrugged for now. As far as i know that song was never leaked, contrary to the article.

Nice dream! rofl
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« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2018, 09:54:28 AM »

I had a dream two nights ago. After reading this article:

I went to a small record store and found chinese with the red hand cover (the one i use as a avatar) and due to a missprint This I Love was replaced by Atlas Shrugged.

I went home listened to it, and wondered how could i share what i found without getting in trouble so i came here in htgth. And asked Jarmo what should i do. At this point i woke up.  Cheesy



No Atlas Shrugged for now. As far as i know that song was never leaked, contrary to the article.

Nice dream! rofl
Jarmo, will you please finish the dream... Smiley
I suppose you are right. The odds that someone who visits a forum everyday, would miss something like that... unlikely! Smiley

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« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2018, 10:52:08 AM »

Funny thing: CD is the last album I physically bought.

....and people wonder why the music industry is in trouble!

I think the operative word in ITA's statement was "album".  At least it is for me.

I don't download anything illegally.  But I also can't remember the last time I bought an album.  It was after CD....but not for the past few years.

I will occasionally buy single tracks, here and there.  But honestly, with Spotify Premium.....I can listen to just about anything I want without having to permanently buy anything. The subscription model works better for me....and I actually spend less per year than I used to on music (by a LOT)!  If there's something out there that I want 5eva, or that isn't on Spotify....I buy that. There's just not much coming out, for new music, I feel strongly enough about to buy an entire album.

Labels have killed the music industry.....and artists are realizing the best way to make money is to do live shows.  New music is just a way to promote those shows, really. 

 
. Yeah that s what i meant. Plus i’d like to share My thoughts about illegal downloads...I remember when as a teen i downloaded random gnr songs from NAPSTER and the Music was so great that i decided to buy the albums and then started to learn the songs on my guitar... same for other artists ... music industry is in trouble because their people dont do their job. Remember axl’s words: all they need is a star and a producer... they just dont look for good music or musicians anymore
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« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2018, 01:18:19 AM »

Funny thing: CD is the last album I physically bought.

....and people wonder why the music industry is in trouble!

I think the operative word in ITA's statement was "album".  At least it is for me.

I don't download anything illegally.  But I also can't remember the last time I bought an album.  It was after CD....but not for the past few years.

I will occasionally buy single tracks, here and there.  But honestly, with Spotify Premium.....I can listen to just about anything I want without having to permanently buy anything. The subscription model works better for me....and I actually spend less per year than I used to on music (by a LOT)!  If there's something out there that I want 5eva, or that isn't on Spotify....I buy that. There's just not much coming out, for new music, I feel strongly enough about to buy an entire album.

Labels have killed the music industry.....and artists are realizing the best way to make money is to do live shows.  New music is just a way to promote those shows, really. 

 
. Yeah that s what i meant. Plus i’d like to share My thoughts about illegal downloads...I remember when as a teen i downloaded random gnr songs from NAPSTER and the Music was so great that i decided to buy the albums and then started to learn the songs on my guitar... same for other artists ... music industry is in trouble because their people dont do their job. Remember axl’s words: all they need is a star and a producer... they just dont look for good music or musicians anymore

Ha, I used Napster for bootlegs; It took me forever to download Coma live - 10 MB on a 56k modem - but it was worth it  drool
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« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2018, 09:53:10 AM »


Ha, I used Napster for bootlegs; It took me forever to download Coma live - 10 MB on a 56k modem - but it was worth it  drool


Was this from the Japanese version of 'Live Era'?   That really is a solid version. 

All the more considering that it was from Spring of 1993 and they hadn't played it a year.  But both band and Axl are sharp on it.
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« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2018, 02:59:26 PM »

Funny thing: CD is the last album I physically bought.

....and people wonder why the music industry is in trouble!

I think the operative word in ITA's statement was "album".  At least it is for me.

I don't download anything illegally.  But I also can't remember the last time I bought an album.  It was after CD....but not for the past few years.

I will occasionally buy single tracks, here and there.  But honestly, with Spotify Premium.....I can listen to just about anything I want without having to permanently buy anything. The subscription model works better for me....and I actually spend less per year than I used to on music (by a LOT)!  If there's something out there that I want 5eva, or that isn't on Spotify....I buy that. There's just not much coming out, for new music, I feel strongly enough about to buy an entire album.

Labels have killed the music industry.....and artists are realizing the best way to make money is to do live shows.  New music is just a way to promote those shows, really. 

 
. Yeah that s what i meant. Plus i’d like to share My thoughts about illegal downloads...I remember when as a teen i downloaded random gnr songs from NAPSTER and the Music was so great that i decided to buy the albums and then started to learn the songs on my guitar... same for other artists ... music industry is in trouble because their people dont do their job. Remember axl’s words: all they need is a star and a producer... they just dont look for good music or musicians anymore

Ha, I used Napster for bootlegs; It took me forever to download Coma live - 10 MB on a 56k modem - but it was worth it  drool

I bought the Japanese version on CD from Tower Records JP online. If I remember right it cost me 5500 yen. The original US version I had gotten at the time had the first run error where the end of Paradise City played in reverse for the las few seconds and sounded like one of the "What happens when you listen to the White Album backwards?" things.
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« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2018, 07:36:24 AM »

Funny thing: CD is the last album I physically bought.

....and people wonder why the music industry is in trouble!

I think the operative word in ITA's statement was "album".  At least it is for me.

I don't download anything illegally.  But I also can't remember the last time I bought an album.  It was after CD....but not for the past few years.

I will occasionally buy single tracks, here and there.  But honestly, with Spotify Premium.....I can listen to just about anything I want without having to permanently buy anything. The subscription model works better for me....and I actually spend less per year than I used to on music (by a LOT)!  If there's something out there that I want 5eva, or that isn't on Spotify....I buy that. There's just not much coming out, for new music, I feel strongly enough about to buy an entire album.

Labels have killed the music industry.....and artists are realizing the best way to make money is to do live shows.  New music is just a way to promote those shows, really. 

 
. Yeah that s what i meant. Plus i’d like to share My thoughts about illegal downloads...I remember when as a teen i downloaded random gnr songs from NAPSTER and the Music was so great that i decided to buy the albums and then started to learn the songs on my guitar... same for other artists ... music industry is in trouble because their people dont do their job. Remember axl’s words: all they need is a star and a producer... they just dont look for good music or musicians anymore

Ha, I used Napster for bootlegs; It took me forever to download Coma live - 10 MB on a 56k modem - but it was worth it  drool

I bought the Japanese version on CD from Tower Records JP online. If I remember right it cost me 5500 yen. The original US version I had gotten at the time had the first run error where the end of Paradise City played in reverse for the las few seconds and sounded like one of the "What happens when you listen to the White Album backwards?" things.

Yup, I have that one, too.

AND my disc 2 is labeled as disc 1 and vice versa.

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« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2018, 09:25:03 PM »


Yup, I have that one, too.

AND my disc 2 is labeled as disc 1 and vice versa.



A friend of mine got them labeled 1 and 2, but they were both disc 2's content.
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« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2018, 08:59:20 PM »

Funny thing: CD is the last album I physically bought.

....and people wonder why the music industry is in trouble!

I think the operative word in ITA's statement was "album".  At least it is for me.

I don't download anything illegally.  But I also can't remember the last time I bought an album.  It was after CD....but not for the past few years.

I will occasionally buy single tracks, here and there.  But honestly, with Spotify Premium.....I can listen to just about anything I want without having to permanently buy anything. The subscription model works better for me....and I actually spend less per year than I used to on music (by a LOT)!  If there's something out there that I want 5eva, or that isn't on Spotify....I buy that. There's just not much coming out, for new music, I feel strongly enough about to buy an entire album.

Labels have killed the music industry.....and artists are realizing the best way to make money is to do live shows.  New music is just a way to promote those shows, really. 

 

That's sad. There's so much fucking amazing music out there, I buy loads to support bands and to have the physical items. Try buying an album a month for a year- a new release one each time. By the end of 2019 I pretty much guarantee you'll have a revived love of music. Part of that is that when you buy an album, it sort of forces you to go back to it, even if first listen didn'd do it for you. So many of my all time favourites I've not really 'got' at forst and would have given up on if I hadn't had the thing sat there looking at me.
I know many people don't agree- but I really dislike Spotify. Not just because of how little artists make from it, but because it makes the whole art form so disposable and encourages people to just flick through stuff without really listening in a lot of ways.

One of my greatest loves in life is looking through my CD and record collection, pulling out something and really listening to it- looking at the sleeve, the artwork, the whole concept of the release. It genuinely makes me sad that people don't feel that. Give that album a month thing a try- go for CDs and it's only 10 dollars a month- I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts through the year!
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« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2018, 07:10:30 AM »

Funny thing: CD is the last album I physically bought.

....and people wonder why the music industry is in trouble!

I think the operative word in ITA's statement was "album".  At least it is for me.

I don't download anything illegally.  But I also can't remember the last time I bought an album.  It was after CD....but not for the past few years.

I will occasionally buy single tracks, here and there.  But honestly, with Spotify Premium.....I can listen to just about anything I want without having to permanently buy anything. The subscription model works better for me....and I actually spend less per year than I used to on music (by a LOT)!  If there's something out there that I want 5eva, or that isn't on Spotify....I buy that. There's just not much coming out, for new music, I feel strongly enough about to buy an entire album.

Labels have killed the music industry.....and artists are realizing the best way to make money is to do live shows.  New music is just a way to promote those shows, really. 

 

That's sad. There's so much fucking amazing music out there, I buy loads to support bands and to have the physical items. Try buying an album a month for a year- a new release one each time. By the end of 2019 I pretty much guarantee you'll have a revived love of music. Part of that is that when you buy an album, it sort of forces you to go back to it, even if first listen didn'd do it for you. So many of my all time favourites I've not really 'got' at forst and would have given up on if I hadn't had the thing sat there looking at me.
I know many people don't agree- but I really dislike Spotify. Not just because of how little artists make from it, but because it makes the whole art form so disposable and encourages people to just flick through stuff without really listening in a lot of ways.

One of my greatest loves in life is looking through my CD and record collection, pulling out something and really listening to it- looking at the sleeve, the artwork, the whole concept of the release. It genuinely makes me sad that people don't feel that. Give that album a month thing a try- go for CDs and it's only 10 dollars a month- I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts through the year!
Agreed.
I counted a while ago that ive bought about 20 new releases this year. Plus some old records aswell. I love to buy music for the same reason.
Soon ill make a top 20 list of 2018 on here (bad obsession section)
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« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2018, 09:14:38 PM »

Funny thing: CD is the last album I physically bought.

....and people wonder why the music industry is in trouble!

I think the operative word in ITA's statement was "album".  At least it is for me.

I don't download anything illegally.  But I also can't remember the last time I bought an album.  It was after CD....but not for the past few years.

I will occasionally buy single tracks, here and there.  But honestly, with Spotify Premium.....I can listen to just about anything I want without having to permanently buy anything. The subscription model works better for me....and I actually spend less per year than I used to on music (by a LOT)!  If there's something out there that I want 5eva, or that isn't on Spotify....I buy that. There's just not much coming out, for new music, I feel strongly enough about to buy an entire album.

Labels have killed the music industry.....and artists are realizing the best way to make money is to do live shows.  New music is just a way to promote those shows, really. 

 

That's sad. There's so much fucking amazing music out there, I buy loads to support bands and to have the physical items. Try buying an album a month for a year- a new release one each time. By the end of 2019 I pretty much guarantee you'll have a revived love of music. Part of that is that when you buy an album, it sort of forces you to go back to it, even if first listen didn'd do it for you. So many of my all time favourites I've not really 'got' at forst and would have given up on if I hadn't had the thing sat there looking at me.
I know many people don't agree- but I really dislike Spotify. Not just because of how little artists make from it, but because it makes the whole art form so disposable and encourages people to just flick through stuff without really listening in a lot of ways.

One of my greatest loves in life is looking through my CD and record collection, pulling out something and really listening to it- looking at the sleeve, the artwork, the whole concept of the release. It genuinely makes me sad that people don't feel that. Give that album a month thing a try- go for CDs and it's only 10 dollars a month- I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts through the year!
Agreed.
I counted a while ago that ive bought about 20 new releases this year. Plus some old records aswell. I love to buy music for the same reason.
Soon ill make a top 20 list of 2018 on here (bad obsession section)

I'll look forward to reading that. These are two interesting opinion pieces on the topic that I totally agree with. For those who aren't aware HMV is a big music and film retailer in the UK that is currently in difficulty.
If it goes it will leave the UK music scene in a very odd and difficult place.

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/30/demand-for-creativity-on-the-cheap-is-destroying-music-industry-hmv

 https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/dec/30/hmv-is-a-bedrock-of-the-british-music-industry-its-loss-would-affect-us-all
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« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2018, 09:14:04 AM »

Funny thing: CD is the last album I physically bought.

....and people wonder why the music industry is in trouble!

I think the operative word in ITA's statement was "album".  At least it is for me.

I don't download anything illegally.  But I also can't remember the last time I bought an album.  It was after CD....but not for the past few years.

I will occasionally buy single tracks, here and there.  But honestly, with Spotify Premium.....I can listen to just about anything I want without having to permanently buy anything. The subscription model works better for me....and I actually spend less per year than I used to on music (by a LOT)!  If there's something out there that I want 5eva, or that isn't on Spotify....I buy that. There's just not much coming out, for new music, I feel strongly enough about to buy an entire album.

Labels have killed the music industry.....and artists are realizing the best way to make money is to do live shows.  New music is just a way to promote those shows, really. 

 

That's sad. There's so much fucking amazing music out there, I buy loads to support bands and to have the physical items. Try buying an album a month for a year- a new release one each time. By the end of 2019 I pretty much guarantee you'll have a revived love of music. Part of that is that when you buy an album, it sort of forces you to go back to it, even if first listen didn'd do it for you. So many of my all time favourites I've not really 'got' at forst and would have given up on if I hadn't had the thing sat there looking at me.
I know many people don't agree- but I really dislike Spotify. Not just because of how little artists make from it, but because it makes the whole art form so disposable and encourages people to just flick through stuff without really listening in a lot of ways.

One of my greatest loves in life is looking through my CD and record collection, pulling out something and really listening to it- looking at the sleeve, the artwork, the whole concept of the release. It genuinely makes me sad that people don't feel that. Give that album a month thing a try- go for CDs and it's only 10 dollars a month- I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts through the year!
Agreed.
I counted a while ago that ive bought about 20 new releases this year. Plus some old records aswell. I love to buy music for the same reason.
Soon ill make a top 20 list of 2018 on here (bad obsession section)

I'll look forward to reading that. These are two interesting opinion pieces on the topic that I totally agree with. For those who aren't aware HMV is a big music and film retailer in the UK that is currently in difficulty.
If it goes it will leave the UK music scene in a very odd and difficult place.

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/30/demand-for-creativity-on-the-cheap-is-destroying-music-industry-hmv

 https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/dec/30/hmv-is-a-bedrock-of-the-british-music-industry-its-loss-would-affect-us-all
Interesting read.
So basicly that one brand in the uk is keeping the cd business alive.

One thing i love about buying music is the record stores. Just spen a hour seeking music.
Last.summer i went to Tokyo they have tons of big record stores there. In europe they are mostly quite small now (amoeba in california is another example of a.great place)
In Tokyo there the last surviving tower records. The biggest onr is three storeys  big. I loved it. Big sections for every genre. Music magazines. T shirts. Posters. Meet and greets you name it.
Like amazon  but way better
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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2019, 10:33:12 PM »

You know you are getting old when "new" music to you is an album released 10 years ago.

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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2019, 10:50:58 AM »

Totally! I'm slow. I can discover "new" music released in 2005. But CD still sound great. I think we can call it timeless.
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« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2019, 11:53:11 AM »

You know you are getting old when "new" music to you is an album released 10 years ago.

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