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« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2007, 10:17:35 AM »


and i didnt see the movie yet.


Touche. Maybe you should see the movie first and realize what it's about before you make your judjment about how correct the Iranian government is.
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« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2007, 12:48:37 PM »

I have a question.

Was 300 actually a good movie? Or was it a "OMG! THAT MOVIE WAS AWESOME!" movie... that really wasn't that awesome.

I'm thinking about seeing it.. but it just looks pretty stupid to me. I'm not trying to bash. I'm just wondering.
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« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2007, 01:21:23 PM »

I have a question.

Was 300 actually a good movie? Or was it a "OMG! THAT MOVIE WAS AWESOME!" movie... that really wasn't that awesome.

I'm thinking about seeing it.. but it just looks pretty stupid to me. I'm not trying to bash. I'm just wondering.

depends on what you are expecting. if you are expecting a movie with brilliant acting, that is really deep, and has a intricate plot then no its not a good movie.

i was expecting awesome battle scenes and simply to be entertained by a cool war movie and thats what i got. for what it was, it was great.
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« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2007, 01:38:30 PM »

I have a question.

Was 300 actually a good movie? Or was it a "OMG! THAT MOVIE WAS AWESOME!" movie... that really wasn't that awesome.

I'm thinking about seeing it.. but it just looks pretty stupid to me. I'm not trying to bash. I'm just wondering.

depends on what you are expecting. if you are expecting a movie with brilliant acting, that is really deep, and has a intricate plot then no its not a good movie.

i was expecting awesome battle scenes and simply to be entertained by a cool war movie and thats what i got. for what it was, it was great.

that's my fear
a movie that you forget about 2 days later

and i'm sick of people coming back with the " OMG ! LIKE it's TOTALLY AWESOME ! LIKE the best evah !! LIKE I LOVE IT !! BEST MOVIE EVER !!! SO COOL  !!! "


people have done that with

fight club
sin city
kill bill
....

and in the end we all agree they are really not that good at all.



and it's NOT about it's just an action movie... that's no escuse, there are action movies that stand test of time and that are REALLY good.


we'll see.
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« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2007, 01:44:14 PM »



that's my fear
a movie that you forget about 2 days later

and i'm sick of people coming back with the " OMG ! LIKE it's TOTALLY AWESOME ! LIKE the best evah !! LIKE I LOVE IT !! BEST MOVIE EVER !!! SO COOL  !!! "


people have done that with

fight club
sin city
kill bill
....

and in the end we all agree they are really not that good at all.



and it's NOT about it's just an action movie... that's no escuse, there are action movies that stand test of time and that are REALLY good.


we'll see.


I don't think you can say we all agree.

300 is a great action epic movie. Will it stand the test of time? Can't say ,it might or might not. we will know in a few years.
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« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2007, 01:58:55 PM »

I have a question.

Was 300 actually a good movie? Or was it a "OMG! THAT MOVIE WAS AWESOME!" movie... that really wasn't that awesome.

I'm thinking about seeing it.. but it just looks pretty stupid to me. I'm not trying to bash. I'm just wondering.

depends on what you are expecting. if you are expecting a movie with brilliant acting, that is really deep, and has a intricate plot then no its not a good movie.

i was expecting awesome battle scenes and simply to be entertained by a cool war movie and thats what i got. for what it was, it was great.

that's my fear
a movie that you forget about 2 days later

and i'm sick of people coming back with the " OMG ! LIKE it's TOTALLY AWESOME ! LIKE the best evah !! LIKE I LOVE IT !! BEST MOVIE EVER !!! SO COOL  !!! "


people have done that with

fight club
sin city
kill bill
....

and in the end we all agree they are really not that good at all.



and it's NOT about it's just an action movie... that's no escuse, there are action movies that stand test of time and that are REALLY good.


we'll see.

I wouldn't say it's the best ever, but it was a cool movie, and I'm glad I saw it.  I agree that character development is sacrificed for the battle itself, but it is what it is. 

I did NOT like Kill Bill.  I thought it was silly.  I found Sin City pretty cool at first, but it gets old quickly, with each additional viewing.  I've ALWAYS liked Fight Club, though.   
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« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2007, 02:28:36 PM »


and i'm sick of people coming back with the " OMG ! LIKE it's TOTALLY AWESOME ! LIKE the best evah !! LIKE I LOVE IT !! BEST MOVIE EVER !!! SO COOL  !!! "


people have done that with

fight club
sin city
kill bill
....

and in the end we all agree they are really not that good at all.




Actually, I thought all three of those movies were fucking awesome. Both Kill Bills I find amazing, Sin City is a genius piece of work and I can't wait to see the next four... and Fight Club... Fight Club will always be a fantastic movie whatever anyone says about it. You can't argue with fact.

And there's no doubt I'll enjoy 300. I've not seen it yet, not having the chance to, but I've seen and read a lot about it, and I know I'll enjoy it.

Now everyone quit bitching. Just because a bunch of extremist newspaper editors didn't like it, doesn't mean they're right, and doesn't mean we can't watch it and enjoy it! peace
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« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2007, 02:48:45 PM »

300 is fucking fantastic.

If you don't like pure adrenaline, big body counts, visual eye candy, or you have a dislike for anything remotely cool, don't see this movie... Or if you're a history buff.

And the queen was pretty hot, too.

For the record: Kill Bill, Fight Club and Sin City were brilliant. If you don't like them, or if you don't get why they're so completely awesome, you shouldn't see 300.
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« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2007, 11:02:54 PM »

I just watched this movie and thought it was awesome.  I'm actually a history buff, but I enjoyed it anyway Smiley  Probably because most of the men were just about naked in battle (yeah not at all historically accurate there) I left the theatre wanting to kick ass.  Thankfully no one got in my way hihi
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« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2007, 02:17:17 PM »

and in the end we all agree they are really not that good at all.

But you liked Apocalypto, which really wasnt that good....so opinions vary.

So, this is a take on 300 by Neal Stephenson, he wrote Snow Crash, the Diamond Age, and lots of other great books, imo.

It?s All Geek to Me
By NEAL STEPHENSON

Seattle

A WEEK ago Friday, moments before an opening-day showing of the movie ?300? at Seattle?s Cinerama, a 20-something moviegoer rushed to the front of the theater, dropped his shoulders, curled his arms into a mock-Schwarzenegger pose and bellowed out a timeless remark of King Leonidas of Sparta that has in the last week become the catchphrase of the year: ?Spartans! Tonight we dine in hell!?

Groans, roars, macho hooting noises and sardonic applause rained down on him. The audience had been standing in line for an hour. Only a few of them were dressed as Greek hoplites. They were much better balanced between men and women than I?d expected and, racially, looked like a fair cross section of Seattle?s populace. Over the next couple of hours, they enjoyed ?300? with roughly the same level of energy and audience participation as one would expect in an N.C.A.A. Final Four game.

The film contains a lot of over-the-top material, reflecting its origin in a graphic novel. As often as not, when I found myself rolling my eyes at something particularly mortifying (the tactical corpse-pile avalanche, the Persian executioner with serrated fins for arms), the crowd reacted much as I did, some even hurling catcalls from the balcony or blurting their own lines of dialogue. It was all pretty festive for a movie about ancient history in which almost all of the characters end up dead.

This, apparently, was no anomaly. Though it opened on a relatively small number of screens, ?300? made money far beyond the most optimistic projections of its producers, racking up the third-best opening weekend ever for an R-rated movie.

The critics, however, were mostly hostile, and frequently venomous. Many reviews made the same points:

? ?300? is not sufficiently ironic. It takes its themes (duty, loyalty, sacrifice, the preservation of Western civilization against enormous odds) too seriously to, well, be taken seriously.

? ?300? is campy ? meaning that many things about it can be read as sexual double entendres ? yet the filmmakers don?t show sufficient awareness of this.  Grin

? All of the good guys are white people and many of the bad guys are brown. (How this could have been avoided in a film about Spartans versus Persians is never explained; the distinctly non-Greek viewers at my showing seemed to have no trouble placing themselves in the sandals of ancient Spartans.)


But such criticisms aren?t really worth arguing with, because they are not serious in the first place ? and that is their whole point. Many critics dislike ?300? so intensely that they refused to do it the honor of criticizing it as if it were a real movie. Critics at a festival in Berlin walked out, and accused its director of being on the Bush payroll.

Thermopylae is a wedge issue!

Lefties can?t abide lionizing a bunch of militaristic slave-owners (even if they did happen to be long-haired supporters of women?s rights). So you might think that righties would love the film. But they?re nervous that Emperor Xerxes of Persia, not the freedom-loving Leonidas, might be George Bush.

Our so-called conservatives, who have cut all ties to their own intellectual moorings, now espouse policies and personalities that would get them laughed out of Periclean Athens. The few conservatives still able to hold up one end of a Socratic dialogue are those in the ostracized libertarian wing ? interestingly enough, a group with a disproportionately high representation among fans of speculative fiction.

The less politicized majority, who perhaps would like to draw inspiration from this story without glossing over the crazy and defective aspects of Spartan society, have turned, in droves, to a film from the alternative cultural universe of fantasy and science fiction. Styled and informed by pulp novels, comic books, video games and Asian martial arts flicks, science fiction eats this kind of material up, and expresses it in ways that look impossibly weird to people who aren?t used to it.

Lack of critical respect means nothing to sci-fi?s creators and fans. They made peace with their own dorkiness long ago. Oh, there was momentary discomfort around the time of William Shatner?s 1987 ?Saturday Night Live? sketch, in which he exhorted Trekkies to ?get a life.? But this had been fully resolved by 2000, when sci-fi fans voted to give the Hugo Award for best movie to ?Galaxy Quest,? a film that revolves around making fun of sci-fi fans.

The growing popularity of science fiction, the rise of graphic novels, anime and video games, and the fact that geeks can make lots of money now, have given creators and fans of this kind of art a confidence, even a swagger, that ? hard as it is for some of us to believe ? is kind of cool now.

Video games have turned everyone under the age of 20 into experts on military history and tactics; 12-year-olds on school buses argue about the right way to deploy onagers and cataphracts while outflanking a Roman triplex acies formation. The near exhaustion of Asian martial arts themes has led a small but growing number to begin reconstructing, or imagining, the forgotten martial arts of the West. And science fiction, by its nature, has had to equip itself with a full toolkit for dealing with alien cultures, mindsets and landscapes.

Which is exactly how the creators of ?300? approach the Spartans and the Persians. The only people in the film who don?t seem as if they came from another planet are the Arcadians (non-Spartan Greeks), who turn tail once the battle becomes hopeless.

Classics-based sci-fi is nothing new. To name the most recent of many examples, the novelist Dan Simmons published ?Ilium? and ?Olympos,? science-fictional takes on Homer. When science fiction tackles classical themes, the results may look a bit odd to some, but the audience ? which is increasingly the mainstream audience ? is sufficiently hungry for this kind of material (and, perhaps, suspicious of anything that?s overly polished) that it is willing to overlook the occasional mistake, or make up for it by shouting hilarious things from the balcony. These people don?t need irony or campiness self-consciously pointed out to them, any more than they need a laugh track to enjoy ?The Simpsons.?

The Spartan phalanx presents itself to foes as a wall of shields, bristling with spears, its members squatting behind their defenses, anonymous and unknowable, until they break formation and stand out alone, practically naked, soft, exposed and recognizable as individuals.

The audience members watching them play the same game: media-weary, hunkered down behind thick irony, flinging verbal jabs at the screen ? until they see something that moves them. Then they?ll come out and feel. But at the first hint of politics, they?ll jump back behind their shield-wall, just like the Spartans when millions of Persian arrows blot out the sun, and wait until the noise stops.

Neal Stephenson is the author, most recently, of ?The System of the World,? the last book of ?The Baroque Cycle? trilogy.
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« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2007, 05:29:37 PM »

Thats someone who obviously doesn't recognize entertainment ^  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2007, 05:42:06 PM »

Overtly analytical... what happened to just sitting back and enjoying a movie for what it is!?

Analysing things is fine, to a degree... but this guy just went a liiii'l bit overboard... maybe he felt guilty for not liking it and wanted to explain every point about why he didn't like it so that the people who did wouldn't jump on his back and chew his head off.

He could have just said: "I didn't like it." hihi
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« Reply #52 on: March 18, 2007, 06:10:30 PM »

Overtly analytical... what happened to just sitting back and enjoying a movie for what it is!?

Analysing things is fine, to a degree... but this guy just went a liiii'l bit overboard... maybe he felt guilty for not liking it and wanted to explain every point about why he didn't like it so that the people who did wouldn't jump on his back and chew his head off.

He could have just said: "I didn't like it." hihi

a movie is roughly

135 000 images
5400 seconds of sound

and you just "sit back and enjoy it" ?

get an ice-cream, it's cheaper and you can actually sit back and enjoy it Wink
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« Reply #53 on: March 18, 2007, 09:03:53 PM »

Overtly analytical... what happened to just sitting back and enjoying a movie for what it is!?

Analysing things is fine, to a degree... but this guy just went a liiii'l bit overboard... maybe he felt guilty for not liking it and wanted to explain every point about why he didn't like it so that the people who did wouldn't jump on his back and chew his head off.

He could have just said: "I didn't like it." hihi

a movie is roughly

135 000 images
5400 seconds of sound

and you just "sit back and enjoy it" ?

get an ice-cream, it's cheaper and you can actually sit back and enjoy it Wink

Yes, isn't that what you're SUPPOSED to do with movies? Isn't that what they're FOR?

Pardon me ever so much for being mistaken! Roll Eyes


And yes, I'm perfectly aware about what you're supposed to do with an ice-cream.

PS: As for the 135000 images and 5400 seconds of sound... THAT'S WHAT THE CREDITS ARE FOR!!!
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« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2007, 03:14:29 AM »

The Persians are mis-characterized in the movie in order to personify them as the Asian Horde. The Persians are: thieving niggers, pig fuck bitches, queers, chinks, mud people, prostitutes, brutal foreign barbarians, handicapped, misshapen people, cowards, and slaves. The Greeks play the part of White Super Man, Savior of the World, fighting for 'freedom', even though Spartans were brutal fascists who wouldn't know freedom if it bit them on the ass.

Edit: I recognize and appreciate homo-erotic Aryan Supremacy when I see it-you just don't see enough these days. Also the support for eugenics was well done. I think this will be a popular movie with prison gangs.
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« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2007, 06:09:49 AM »

? All of the good guys are white people and many of the bad guys are brown. (How this could have been avoided in a film about Spartans versus Persians is never explained; the distinctly non-Greek viewers at my showing seemed to have no trouble placing themselves in the sandals of ancient Spartans.)

Whoever wrote that has no clue of what is going on. It wasn't about white and brown people. It was about Spartans and Persians. It is all about Greek history. Take a trip to Thermopyles, learn the history and then let's talk.
And the movie IS great. At least this time the people in Hollywood didn't fucked up the movie as they did with Alexander and Troy.
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« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2007, 03:40:29 AM »

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What Next? Spartan Zombies? After the action flick's massive two-week box-office romp, graphic novelist Frank Miller is already working on a return to ancient Greece. Maybe it can come out the same time as that Gladiator sequel they're always talking about.
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what do you guys think? just saw this over at movies.com
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« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2007, 08:53:08 AM »

i think we had enough nazi propaganda like that Wink

.... i'll reserve my full real rational judgment for tonite after i see the movie Wink

edit: shouldnt this be moved to the 300 thread or the movie thread? Wink
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« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2007, 09:24:40 AM »

Yep - done. ok
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« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2007, 11:09:20 AM »


a movie is roughly

135 000 images
5400 seconds of sound

and you just "sit back and enjoy it" ?


Given that the vast majority of Hollywood movies have nothing more to them than a large number of images and an accompanying soundtrack, what do you suggest people do with them? Even Citizen Kane is, finally, just a well-acted, beautifully shot, expertly told story - if you aren't sitting back and enjoying it Orson would be very, very annoyed.

300 is based on a comic book. A Frank Miller comic book. If anyone goes into it expecting anything other than a visually impressive wedge of macho bravado, they have missed the point.
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