Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Off Topic => The Jungle => Topic started by: Markus Asraelius on September 09, 2005, 01:35:32 PM



Title: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Markus Asraelius on September 09, 2005, 01:35:32 PM
Have you ever heard of this book or seen the guy on T.V.?

I've seen his shows on T.V. and his interviews and I'm so furious about what the Food and Drug Companies are doing supposedly. I haven't picked up his book yet but I'm planning on getting it.

In case nobody knows what I'm talking about, the author of the book is Kevin Lorneau. He wrote this book and it has ways you can never get sick again and cures for almost every disease out there.

He claims that the food we eat in the U.S. only, has stuff in it that makes it addictive, that makes us (spefically) fat. He also says that no drug has and can ever cure a disease.



Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: SLCPUNK on September 09, 2005, 01:53:12 PM
This guy is a convicted felon and has served jail time for fraud.



Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Markus Asraelius on September 09, 2005, 02:22:11 PM
This guy is a convicted felon and has served jail time for fraud.


Well people have used things in his book and it has worked for him. Are you sure we're talking about the same guy?


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: SLCPUNK on September 09, 2005, 02:31:46 PM
Yea, the guy that comes on late night with the ads.



Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Markus Asraelius on September 09, 2005, 02:33:16 PM
Alright, if you say so bud. I'll tell you what, I'll go out and buy his book and see if I can cure my diabetes and I'll give you guys an update on it.


Title: 'Cures' becomes self-published phenom
Post by: SLCPUNK on September 09, 2005, 02:34:39 PM
By Gary Strauss, USA TODAY

Kevin Trudeau has no medical training. He's a convicted felon. And he has been banned from hawking products and services on TV that federal regulators charge have no merit.
      
NaturalCures is No. 2 on USA TODAY's Best-Selling Books list, just behindHarry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.    

But the former used-car salesman's book ?Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know About? has vaulted to the top of most best-seller lists. (Related item: Experts call 'Cures' baloney)

Released in late June, NaturalCures is No. 2 on USA TODAY's Best-Selling Books list, trailing only the latest Harry Potter installment. It's also among top sellers ranked by TheWall Street Journal, The New York Times and Amazon.com.

Natural Cures ($29.95), which Trudeau pushes on TV infomercials, purports to offer natural remedies for many diseases and provides advice on avoiding illnesses. It lambastes regulators, drugmakers and marketers for promoting and monitoring what Trudeau says are harmful foods and medications. And it directs readers to Trudeau's naturalcures .com Web site, where the hopeful can pay $9.95 monthly (or $499 lifetime) for access.

Sold by major retailers, Cures could be the top self-published book ever, says Jim Milliot, a Publishers Weekly editor. "It sold 1.5 million copies in July. He's tapped into something. People are looking for alternative advice."

Trudeau brushes off critics. He fancies himself a Ralph Nader-style consumer advocate fighting big business and government. "Natural cures have been a passion of mine for a long time," says Trudeau, 42. "I'm talking about things that no one wants to admit."

Publishers rejected Cures before its release through his own company, Alliance Publishing. "They told me, 'Nobody will buy it. You're a nut. You'll have to tone it down,' " Trudeau says.

Much of the book's success hinges on Trudeau's talk-show-style infomercials, some of which feature former televangelist Tammy Faye Messner. "She's a channel stopper," Trudeau says.

Natural Cures was among TV's most heavily promoted infomercial products in July, averaging 140 weekly airings on national cable channels alone, says Sam Cantanese, CEO of infomercial tracker imstv.com. "He's advertising like crazy," Cantanese says. "He knows how to work the system."

Trudeau honed his pitchman skills promoting a series of infomercial products over two decades such as Dr. Callahan's Addiction Breaking System, Eden's Secret Nature's Purifying Product, the Sable Hair Farming System, the Mega Memory System, Biotape and Coral Calcium Supreme, a daily vitamin supplement.

Coral Calcium ? made from Japanese sea coral ? drew a Federal Trade Commission lawsuit in 2003 that accused Trudeau and associates of making unsubstantiated claims as a cure for cancer, heart disease and other maladies.

Trudeau, who has tangled with the FTC over product claims since 1998, settled in 2004 and agreed to no longer appear in or produce ads shilling goods or services. But the FTC settlement allows him to hawk books. "He has a constitutional right to free speech," the FTC's Laura Sullivan says.

Trudeau doesn't shy away from controversy. He's suing the FTC over a press release detailing terms of last year's 2004 settlement. And he's frank about a two-year prison term for a conviction in 1991 on credit-card fraud. A federal indictment accused him of stealing more than $128,600, using credit cards from those who had bought his products. "I made a mistake in my 20s," he says. "So what?"

Trudeau's past and run-ins with regulators tarnish the infomercial industry, says Electronic Retailing Association CEO Barbara Tulipane.

"He's charming and personable," Tulipane says. "It's easy to get sucked into what he's saying."


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: SLCPUNK on September 09, 2005, 02:35:48 PM
Alright, if you say so bud. I'll tell you what, I'll go out and buy his book and see if I can cure my diabetes and I'll give you guys an update on it.

I'm trying to save you some money that is all.

Some of the things he says are true: chemicals in food causing cancer, refined sugar in our diets, etc etc. But this is nothing groundbreaking or new.

The biggie is he has no medical training.


Title: Convicted U.S. felon's "Cures" tops book charts
Post by: SLCPUNK on September 09, 2005, 02:37:51 PM
Save yourself 29 bucks

***********


NEW YORK (Reuters) - He went to prison for fraud and was ordered by the U.S. government to stop touting health products on infomercials, but Kevin Trudeau's book "Natural Cures 'They' Don't Want You to Know About" is a bestseller.
ADVERTISEMENT

Trudeau, who for years sold snoring remedies and memory enhancers through long-format commercials dressed up as talk shows, says he is a consumer advocate battling the "unholy alliance" of drug companies and government regulators.

"It's all about money. The drug industry does not want people to get healthy," he says in a commercial for his book. Trudeau says he has sold about 4 million copies of the book in less than a year, a huge amount for a self-published book marketed initially only through the Internet and television infomercials.

The book -- whose back cover says "Never get sick again!" and "Learn the specific natural cures for herpes, acid reflux, diabetes ... cancer ... and more!" -- has topped the Publishers Weekly nonfiction bestseller list for the past three weeks.

That attracted the attention of the New York Consumer Protection Board, which issued a warning this month that Trudeau promised cures he did not deliver.

"This book is exploiting and misleading people who are searching for cures to serious illnesses," said Teresa Santiago, who chairs the board. "From cover to cover, this book is a fraud," she said, adding that a doctor quoted apparently endorsing the book died in 2001.

Trudeau filed a lawsuit to stop the Consumer Protection Board from approaching TV stations to persuade them not to air his infomercials.

He says he recommends herbs, vitamins and other alternative treatments and, while urging people to consult doctors, lists cures such as shark cartilage for tumors and organic dark chocolate for stress.

"There are multiple ways to cure cancer without drugs and surgery," Trudeau told Reuters, adding that drug companies eschew natural products because they are unprofitable.

The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine said it is spending more than $120 million this year investigating everything from acupuncture to chamomile tea and the
National Cancer Institute spends another $128 million.

"PARANOID FANTASY"

Stephen Barrett, a retired psychiatrist who runs a Web site called Quackwatch, described Trudeau's book as "a collection of false ideas" that included dangerous advice such as the claim that sunscreen can cause cancer so it should not be used.

"The danger of the book is it's an attempt to shape public opinion so people don't trust science-based health care."

Barrett said he too was suspicious about excessive profits in the drug industry, but said it was "paranoid fantasy" to suggest they would suppress or ignore cures.

"A lot of people are angry because drugs are so expensive," he said, explaining the book's draw. "He's promising magic."

In September, Trudeau agreed to pay $2 million to settle a U.S. Federal Trade Commission lawsuit over his claim that "Coral Calcium" could cure or prevent cancer but admitted no wrongdoing. Trudeau agreed to stop marketing health products, but he was allowed to market books.

The FTC called the case an example to "other habitual false advertisers," prompting a lawsuit from Trudeau.

FTC attorney Laura Sullivan said the regulator was watching Trudeau carefully but had taken no action over the book.

Sullivan said the FTC sanction barring him from making infomercials for anything but books was "extraordinary" and followed a string of previous fraud charges that were settled.

Trudeau, 42, was jailed for 22 months in the early 1990s over credit card fraud -- something Trudeau dismissed as nothing more than a youthful indiscretion.

Reader reviews on Amazon.com revealed strong opinions, including complaints that his book refers readers to his Web site for more information.

Trudeau's site offers monthly membership at $9.95 and lifetime membership for $499. He said he charges because he takes no advertising and he spends $1.5 million a week on infomercials.

"I'm doing this virtually as a nonprofit," he said. "I'm not doing this for the money. It's a passion."


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Mr. Dick Purple on September 09, 2005, 02:38:28 PM
He claims that the food we eat in the U.S. only, has stuff in it that makes it addictive, that makes us (spefically) fat. He also says that no drug has and can ever cure a disease.
Whatever colesterol you consume wether is in USA or any part in the world is gonna make you fat. I personally don't trust in these people I trust only in vegetables  : ok:
Also a lot of plant are good as medice for instance plants like (savila don't know the name in english :()


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: SLCPUNK on September 09, 2005, 02:42:36 PM
He claims that the food we eat in the U.S. only, has stuff in it that makes it addictive, that makes us (spefically) fat. He also says that no drug has and can ever cure a disease.
Whatever colesterol you consume wether is in USA or any part in the world is gonna make you fat. I personally don't trust in these people I trust only in vegetables  : ok:
Also a lot of plant are good as medice for instance plants like (savila don't know the name in english :()

When you go shopping they say it's best to shop on the OUTSIDE ailes. That is where all the natural food and fruits are. All the refined sugar, man made, crap is in the middle sections. It's about 90% true, lol, pay attention next time, it's pretty funny.

 ;D


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Mr. Dick Purple on September 09, 2005, 02:56:36 PM
He claims that the food we eat in the U.S. only, has stuff in it that makes it addictive, that makes us (spefically) fat. He also says that no drug has and can ever cure a disease.
Whatever colesterol you consume wether is in USA or any part in the world is gonna make you fat. I personally don't trust in these people I trust only in vegetables  : ok:
Also a lot of plant are good as medice for instance plants like (savila don't know the name in english :()

When you go shopping they say it's best to shop on the OUTSIDE ailes. That is where all the natural food and fruits are. All the refined sugar, man made, crap is in the middle sections. It's about 90% true, lol, pay attention next time, it's pretty funny.

 ;D

I will dude, but here in Ecuador we buy the vegetables direct from the guy that has the harvest  :)


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Markus Asraelius on September 09, 2005, 03:13:11 PM
Alright, if you say so bud. I'll tell you what, I'll go out and buy his book and see if I can cure my diabetes and I'll give you guys an update on it.

I'm trying to save you some money that is all.

Some of the things he says are true: chemicals in food causing cancer, refined sugar in our diets, etc etc. But this is nothing groundbreaking or new.

The biggie is he has no medical training.

I've already read all the complaints about him after my last post and how the actual cures are not listed in the book. I'm not going to buy the book.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Markus Asraelius on September 09, 2005, 03:14:33 PM
He claims that the food we eat in the U.S. only, has stuff in it that makes it addictive, that makes us (spefically) fat. He also says that no drug has and can ever cure a disease.
Whatever colesterol you consume wether is in USA or any part in the world is gonna make you fat. I personally don't trust in these people I trust only in vegetables? : ok:
Also a lot of plant are good as medice for instance plants like (savila don't know the name in english :()

I know but what he was saying was that on top of all the cholestrol there was an extra ingredient that makes you fat. But, I don't care now, cause the guy's a fraud.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Axls Locomotive on September 09, 2005, 03:44:55 PM
This is a subject thats quite close to me at the moment... ive started eating more heathily, almost no meat, mostly vegetables, seafood and water...ill tell you that there is so much crap they put in food right now, from preservatives, pesticides and even dirty air used to preserve food for longer , chickens have far more fat in them now than they did before, about 20% of a chicken is fat compared to a decade ago when it was about 8%...the upshot is the companies are putting out food that contains chemicals that you would never put past your mouth otherwise...even water is contaminated because of all the crap people buy and show it down the drain, from washing up liquid to deodarants, polish and bleach etc...also in the water are a disturbing amount of feminising chemicals introduced into products to make them more appealing to the senses...

here is a recent article only a few days old...this is what you are putting into the human system
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/poisoning-the-unborn111

the more ive read and learned from others over the last 4 or 5 months about this, the more i want to stop using most of these products...

vegetables are the best food you can put into your system...there is no doubt in that...but there are many adverts that would make you believe otherwise...you are being brainwashed if you think otherwise...when you eat meat, do you realise what is in the meat itself?...do you know anything about the animal you are eating?...what viruses were/are in its blood system?...what has the animal been eating? ie chickens made to eat bonemeal from other animals...its just putrifying to think about it...


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Surfrider on September 10, 2005, 01:03:52 AM
This is a subject thats quite close to me at the moment... ive started eating more heathily, almost no meat, mostly vegetables, seafood and water...ill tell you that there is so much crap they put in food right now, from preservatives, pesticides and even dirty air used to preserve food for longer , chickens have far more fat in them now than they did before, about 20% of a chicken is fat compared to a decade ago when it was about 8%...the upshot is the companies are putting out food that contains chemicals that you would never put past your mouth otherwise...even water is contaminated because of all the crap people buy and show it down the drain, from washing up liquid to deodarants, polish and bleach etc...also in the water are a disturbing amount of feminising chemicals introduced into products to make them more appealing to the senses...

here is a recent article only a few days old...this is what you are putting into the human system
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/poisoning-the-unborn111

the more ive read and learned from others over the last 4 or 5 months about this, the more i want to stop using most of these products...

vegetables are the best food you can put into your system...there is no doubt in that...but there are many adverts that would make you believe otherwise...you are being brainwashed if you think otherwise...when you eat meat, do you realise what is in the meat itself?...do you know anything about the animal you are eating?...what viruses were/are in its blood system?...what has the animal been eating? ie chickens made to eat bonemeal from other animals...its just putrifying to think about it...
How do you feel now after the change?  Just curious?  Energy, weight etc.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on September 10, 2005, 01:17:05 AM
sounds like someone is banking some cash in a bullshit book deal.

if you drill a hole thru your skull you`ll let the evil demons out of your head, thus cureing any migraine headache issues you may have.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: SLCPUNK on September 10, 2005, 01:18:23 AM
I've found changing diet is one of the more challenging things I have done.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: SLCPUNK on September 10, 2005, 01:19:06 AM
sounds like someone is banking some cash in a bullshit book deal.

if you drill a hole thru your skull you`ll let the evil demons out of your head, thus cureing any migraine headache issues you may have.

I've tried this...it doesn't work.  :hihi:


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on September 10, 2005, 01:42:14 AM
it diddnt work for me either !!

diet and exercise will make all the difference in the world.

 ( Ask me, its what I do for a living)


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Axls Locomotive on September 10, 2005, 07:52:00 AM
This is a subject thats quite close to me at the moment... ive started eating more heathily, almost no meat, mostly vegetables, seafood and water...ill tell you that there is so much crap they put in food right now, from preservatives, pesticides and even dirty air used to preserve food for longer , chickens have far more fat in them now than they did before, about 20% of a chicken is fat compared to a decade ago when it was about 8%...the upshot is the companies are putting out food that contains chemicals that you would never put past your mouth otherwise...even water is contaminated because of all the crap people buy and show it down the drain, from washing up liquid to deodarants, polish and bleach etc...also in the water are a disturbing amount of feminising chemicals introduced into products to make them more appealing to the senses...

here is a recent article only a few days old...this is what you are putting into the human system
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/poisoning-the-unborn111

the more ive read and learned from others over the last 4 or 5 months about this, the more i want to stop using most of these products...

vegetables are the best food you can put into your system...there is no doubt in that...but there are many adverts that would make you believe otherwise...you are being brainwashed if you think otherwise...when you eat meat, do you realise what is in the meat itself?...do you know anything about the animal you are eating?...what viruses were/are in its blood system?...what has the animal been eating? ie chickens made to eat bonemeal from other animals...its just putrifying to think about it...
How do you feel now after the change?  Just curious?  Energy, weight etc.

ive lost a stone in weight, my skin is less oily, no more indigestion, definitely less tired especially in the morning, better concentration...and thats after only 2 months...id recommend it, you dont have to eat meat, the stomach finds it harder to break it down, the stomach needs more acid to break red meat down so it has to create that acid from whats inside you, ive heard it takes it away from the bones...i was sceptical as anyone and i hate bullshit but since i feel better i dont think ill go back to the way i ate before...


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Surfrider on September 10, 2005, 12:00:10 PM
This is a subject thats quite close to me at the moment... ive started eating more heathily, almost no meat, mostly vegetables, seafood and water...ill tell you that there is so much crap they put in food right now, from preservatives, pesticides and even dirty air used to preserve food for longer , chickens have far more fat in them now than they did before, about 20% of a chicken is fat compared to a decade ago when it was about 8%...the upshot is the companies are putting out food that contains chemicals that you would never put past your mouth otherwise...even water is contaminated because of all the crap people buy and show it down the drain, from washing up liquid to deodarants, polish and bleach etc...also in the water are a disturbing amount of feminising chemicals introduced into products to make them more appealing to the senses...

here is a recent article only a few days old...this is what you are putting into the human system
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/poisoning-the-unborn111

the more ive read and learned from others over the last 4 or 5 months about this, the more i want to stop using most of these products...

vegetables are the best food you can put into your system...there is no doubt in that...but there are many adverts that would make you believe otherwise...you are being brainwashed if you think otherwise...when you eat meat, do you realise what is in the meat itself?...do you know anything about the animal you are eating?...what viruses were/are in its blood system?...what has the animal been eating? ie chickens made to eat bonemeal from other animals...its just putrifying to think about it...
How do you feel now after the change?? Just curious?? Energy, weight etc.

ive lost a stone in weight, my skin is less oily, no more indigestion, definitely less tired especially in the morning, better concentration...and thats after only 2 months...id recommend it, you dont have to eat meat, the stomach finds it harder to break it down, the stomach needs more acid to break red meat down so it has to create that acid from whats inside you, ive heard it takes it away from the bones...i was sceptical as anyone and i hate bullshit but since i feel better i dont think ill go back to the way i ate before...
Well, congrats.  After this weekend, considering I have a stock of Filets in the frig, I think I am going to try something similar.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Kitano on September 10, 2005, 01:36:59 PM
It's interesting how Kevin Trudeau avoids making any direct claims in his infomercial, he always says, "in my opinion" before he makes a bullshit claim.  It is a way of protecting himself from any action from the FTC.

He's just preying on desperate people.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Mr. Dick Purple on September 10, 2005, 04:27:14 PM
ive lost a stone in weight, my skin is less oily, no more indigestion, definitely less tired especially in the morning, better concentration...and thats after only 2 months...id recommend it, you dont have to eat meat, the stomach finds it harder to break it down, the stomach needs more acid to break red meat down so it has to create that acid from whats inside you, ive heard it takes it away from the bones...i was sceptical as anyone and i hate bullshit but since i feel better i dont think ill go back to the way i ate before...

A friend of mine doesn't eat meat and she has a beatiful skin (if you know what I mean  :hihi:) anyway she tells me that she used to eat a lot of red meat and colesterol but also going to the gym, she just got tunnified but the skin kept being oily so she changed her diet that and since then she got her skin softy and better.  : ok:


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Walk on September 10, 2005, 07:04:58 PM
Your friend must have previously eaten cheap hamburgers, hot dogs, sausage, and deli meats. Meat is healthy if it's good meat, like the kind off a fresh deer carcass or fish like yellowtail or salmon.  :drool: Most meat bashers compare fresh vegetables to factory farmed processed meat, which is a straw man argument and invalid. The reality is, humans are omnivores and should eat some meat.

Eating cholesterol does not affect the body's cholesterol. Eating unhealthy fats (trans, too many omega 6, etc) from an unbalanced diet and not exercising makes cholesterol go up. Of course, genetics can matter too, so at the very least have no children if you have high cholesterol, to improve the gene pool.

As for this telemarketer, he's a waste of time. There is no great conspiracy in Western medicine to make people unhealthy. If anything, people urging others to stop eating meat are more harmful! It's very hard being a vegetarian and getting a balanced diet; the effort just isn't worth it.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Axls Locomotive on September 10, 2005, 08:18:28 PM
Your friend must have previously eaten cheap hamburgers, hot dogs, sausage, and deli meats. Meat is healthy if it's good meat, like the kind off a fresh deer carcass or fish like yellowtail or salmon.  :drool: Most meat bashers compare fresh vegetables to factory farmed processed meat, which is a straw man argument and invalid. The reality is, humans are omnivores and should eat some meat.

Eating cholesterol does not affect the body's cholesterol. Eating unhealthy fats (trans, too many omega 6, etc) from an unbalanced diet and not exercising makes cholesterol go up. Of course, genetics can matter too, so at the very least have no children if you have high cholesterol, to improve the gene pool.

As for this telemarketer, he's a waste of time. There is no great conspiracy in Western medicine to make people unhealthy. If anything, people urging others to stop eating meat are more harmful! It's very hard being a vegetarian and getting a balanced diet; the effort just isn't worth it.

just because humans can eat meat doesnt mean they have to..humans can also eat paper, plastic etc but it doesnt make it smart does it...but who is to deny the healthy aspects of devouring a piece of chocolate covered polystyrene...

and there is no denying fish is good for you...i cant remember anyone saying to me that fish is unhealthy...of course the difference betwen red meat and fish meat is that red meat is denser and harder for the body to break down...

its more than likely most people dont have a balanced diet anyway so being a vegetarian would be a healthy improvement



Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Mama Kin on September 11, 2005, 12:12:23 AM
Yeah, vegtables are healthy.....you know how much pesticide and shit is on those veggies? Tons.

Vegans and veggitarins need to get used to the idea the world is little more than revolving buffet. Everytime something is eaten on this planet, something else dies.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Axls Locomotive on September 11, 2005, 12:19:02 PM
Yeah, vegtables are healthy.....you know how much pesticide and shit is on those veggies? Tons.

Vegans and veggitarins need to get used to the idea the world is little more than revolving buffet. Everytime something is eaten on this planet, something else dies.

yea i agree, there are plenty of pesticides and preservatives in vegetables but you can get organic vegetables in this country which are free of those chemicals...of course the food doesnt last as long but at least its fresh...

im not sure why youre complaining about vegetarians...if you are replying to my comments then you have me wrong as im not a vegetarian...


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: SLCPUNK on September 11, 2005, 01:15:19 PM
Being a veggie lowers your cholesterol, and you can get protein from other sources besides meat.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Surfrider on September 11, 2005, 07:06:43 PM
Being a veggie lowers your cholesterol, and you can get protein from other sources besides meat.
You can get protein outside meat; however, such protein does not have all of the essential amino acids that are present in animal meat.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Mr. Dick Purple on September 12, 2005, 10:04:36 AM
Your friend must have previously eaten cheap hamburgers, hot dogs, sausage, and deli meats. Meat is healthy if it's good meat, like the kind off a fresh deer carcass or fish like yellowtail or salmon.  :drool: Most meat bashers compare fresh vegetables to factory farmed processed meat, which is a straw man argument and invalid. The reality is, humans are omnivores and should eat some meat.

Eating cholesterol does not affect the body's cholesterol. Eating unhealthy fats (trans, too many omega 6, etc) from an unbalanced diet and not exercising makes cholesterol go up. Of course, genetics can matter too, so at the very least have no children if you have high cholesterol, to improve the gene pool.

As for this telemarketer, he's a waste of time. There is no great conspiracy in Western medicine to make people unhealthy. If anything, people urging others to stop eating meat are more harmful! It's very hard being a vegetarian and getting a balanced diet; the effort just isn't worth it.

Well yeah I guess I should've sum up saying she ate a lot of trash food. But I think that red meat its kinda unhealthy, not like its going to kill you, but you can sense the difference if you quit eating red meat.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: pilferk on September 12, 2005, 02:02:46 PM
He claims that the food we eat in the U.S. only, has stuff in it that makes it addictive, that makes us (spefically) fat. He also says that no drug has and can ever cure a disease.
Whatever colesterol you consume wether is in USA or any part in the world is gonna make you fat. I personally don't trust in these people I trust only in vegetables? : ok:
Also a lot of plant are good as medice for instance plants like (savila don't know the name in english :()

Savila, I think, is called Aloe Vera in English.

The modern wonder plant. :)


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: pilferk on September 12, 2005, 02:05:03 PM
He claims that the food we eat in the U.S. only, has stuff in it that makes it addictive, that makes us (spefically) fat. He also says that no drug has and can ever cure a disease.
Whatever colesterol you consume wether is in USA or any part in the world is gonna make you fat. I personally don't trust in these people I trust only in vegetables? : ok:
Also a lot of plant are good as medice for instance plants like (savila don't know the name in english :()

When you go shopping they say it's best to shop on the OUTSIDE ailes. That is where all the natural food and fruits are. All the refined sugar, man made, crap is in the middle sections. It's about 90% true, lol, pay attention next time, it's pretty funny.

 ;D

It's really funny, actually.  I wrote a paper in College on the "Psychology of the Modern Grocery Store".  Everything is placed for a reason...


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Mr. Dick Purple on September 12, 2005, 02:06:48 PM
He claims that the food we eat in the U.S. only, has stuff in it that makes it addictive, that makes us (spefically) fat. He also says that no drug has and can ever cure a disease.
Whatever colesterol you consume wether is in USA or any part in the world is gonna make you fat. I personally don't trust in these people I trust only in vegetables  : ok:
Also a lot of plant are good as medice for instance plants like (savila don't know the name in english :()

Savila, I think, is called Aloe Vera in English.

The modern wonder plant. :)
I think that savila is an Aloe Vera product but it's not called that, I think. I might be wrong. Thanks anyway  :D


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: pilferk on September 12, 2005, 02:09:06 PM
This is a subject thats quite close to me at the moment... ive started eating more heathily, almost no meat, mostly vegetables, seafood and water...ill tell you that there is so much crap they put in food right now, from preservatives, pesticides and even dirty air used to preserve food for longer , chickens have far more fat in them now than they did before, about 20% of a chicken is fat compared to a decade ago when it was about 8%...the upshot is the companies are putting out food that contains chemicals that you would never put past your mouth otherwise...even water is contaminated because of all the crap people buy and show it down the drain, from washing up liquid to deodarants, polish and bleach etc...also in the water are a disturbing amount of feminising chemicals introduced into products to make them more appealing to the senses...

here is a recent article only a few days old...this is what you are putting into the human system
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/poisoning-the-unborn111

the more ive read and learned from others over the last 4 or 5 months about this, the more i want to stop using most of these products...

vegetables are the best food you can put into your system...there is no doubt in that...but there are many adverts that would make you believe otherwise...you are being brainwashed if you think otherwise...when you eat meat, do you realise what is in the meat itself?...do you know anything about the animal you are eating?...what viruses were/are in its blood system?...what has the animal been eating? ie chickens made to eat bonemeal from other animals...its just putrifying to think about it...
How do you feel now after the change?? Just curious?? Energy, weight etc.

ive lost a stone in weight, my skin is less oily, no more indigestion, definitely less tired especially in the morning, better concentration...and thats after only 2 months...id recommend it, you dont have to eat meat, the stomach finds it harder to break it down, the stomach needs more acid to break red meat down so it has to create that acid from whats inside you, ive heard it takes it away from the bones...i was sceptical as anyone and i hate bullshit but since i feel better i dont think ill go back to the way i ate before...

Just remember to replace the protein you're losing by cutting out the meat with something else.  Soy is a good substitute (tofu, etc), especially.

Lots of good vegetarian cookbooks out there to help you in the right direction.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: pilferk on September 12, 2005, 02:10:23 PM
He claims that the food we eat in the U.S. only, has stuff in it that makes it addictive, that makes us (spefically) fat. He also says that no drug has and can ever cure a disease.
Whatever colesterol you consume wether is in USA or any part in the world is gonna make you fat. I personally don't trust in these people I trust only in vegetables? : ok:
Also a lot of plant are good as medice for instance plants like (savila don't know the name in english :()

Savila, I think, is called Aloe Vera in English.

The modern wonder plant. :)
I think that savila is an Aloe Vera product but it's not called that, I think. I might be wrong. Thanks anyway? :D

http://www.podernatural.com/Plantas_%20Medicinales/Plantas_S/p_sabila.htm

Not that I can read the above, but it seems to insinuate they're the same thing...but I could be wrong too. :)

Could just be from the same family of plants, too.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: pilferk on September 12, 2005, 02:16:41 PM
Being a veggie lowers your cholesterol, and you can get protein from other sources besides meat.
You can get protein outside meat; however, such protein does not have all of the essential amino acids that are present in animal meat.

You can replace the amino's "artificially", through additives.  We do it a lot here (at work) through nutritional therapy on post-op patients.

It is important, if cutting out red meat (or meat in general) to take all this stuff into account. 


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: SLCPUNK on September 12, 2005, 02:30:49 PM
Being a veggie lowers your cholesterol, and you can get protein from other sources besides meat.
You can get protein outside meat; however, such protein does not have all of the essential amino acids that are present in animal meat.

Fish is good for that, especially Salmon. Or suppliments. I guess it depends on what kind of vegetarian you classify yourself as.

There was a story I saw about a year ago about this small village in the mountains of Japan. Their primary diet consisted of root veggies, veggies and no meat. Everbyoby in the village lived well into their 90's. Many worked, farming, until the day they died. With the introduction of fried foods, and meat, many of the villages elders began to watch their middle age children die before them.

Pretty interesting story.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: jabba2 on September 12, 2005, 03:50:49 PM
Im a vegetarian. But i do like junk food like snickers, pretzels, chips stuff like that. Most days i have about 8-10 servings of vegetables. usually steamed mixed vegetables and cut up potatoes with skins attached. I eat different nuts and some fish and rice for protien.

I never eat any red meat or dairy. Sometimes on Holidays i eat Turkey.


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Markus Asraelius on September 12, 2005, 04:00:31 PM
Im a vegetarian. But i do like junk food like snickers, pretzels, chips stuff like that. Most days i have about 8-10 servings of vegetables. usually steamed mixed vegetables and cut up potatoes with skins attached. I eat different nuts and some fish and rice for protien.

I never eat any red meat or dairy. Sometimes on Holidays i eat Turkey.

I don't know how I could live without meat?

Back onto subject, I really can't stand the way that vegitarians think that they are better than the rest of us just cause the're lifestyle is supposedly better than ours. Red meat rocks, go get some!


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: jabba2 on September 12, 2005, 04:37:58 PM
Its just the way red meat and especially dairy feels in my stomache. I could eat a filet minion if it had no fat, but even thats a rare commodity these days. Once for Christmas my family purchased like 10 filet minon steaks and they were marbled with fat. it was nasty. And that is supposed to be the choice cut!


Title: Re: Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
Post by: Mr. Dick Purple on September 13, 2005, 10:50:32 AM
I do like read meat it's great and taste good, but let's face it sometimes the excess makes bad especially that the meat has to be fried in order to taste well.
I'm going to try since this week not to eat red meat for 2 months if I go well, i'll tell you later.  : ok: