May 18th 2004 Chinese Democracy (FAKE)

[Rocket_queen125]

i was doing a search trying to find the greatest hits i typed guns and roses and heres what i found

http://www.geocities.com/hempcap69/gnrcd.bmp

http://us.share.geocities.com/hempcap69/gnrcd.bmp

i clicked on cd and it said page cannot be displayed so i hit back quickly did alt / print screen.

its no longer up there there must be something in the works idk this is really awesome i will keep checking to see if its back up


copy and paste the link

[slashsaxl]

we can only hope


rock n' roll

[axls#2]

my only question is... Why would information about Chinese Democracy appear on a geocities site?

[axls#2]

i just did the search and no such related searches list.

would be great though...but i doubt that cdnow has some conspiracy of updating their site with the release date of chinese democracy at 5 a.m eastern standard time just to remove it immediately, what would be the point?

[Mutherfunker]

I did the search and the related searches is there. Don't know what all this means tho  

@#$%Muther

[Guns N Ballz]

I'm going to have to say negative and go with the clever use of Microsoft Frontpage. Just a guess.  

[axls#2]

i don't care about the related searches...someone could have accidentally hit search the web. or even cdnow probably has some sort  of cd info in its database. it has been  scheduled for release before. and the screenshot i don't know, im not all that knowledgeable on computers. But i'm assuming you could replicate and modify a web page couldn't you? don't really know about that.

I do know this though. When i type a guns n' roses search the results i get always have the album covers beside them.

[Guns N Ballz]

I just hate believing any thing.

Like somebody could save the page, figure out the font and then edit it.

But hell . . . . . I just don't want to fall for any thing except solid proof in my hands.  

[twitcher]

I'm going to have to say negative and go with the clever use of Microsoft Frontpage. Just a guess.  

huh?

he's accusing 'someone' of just creating that page using Frontpage - i.e. a hoax.

[echrisl]

Never a dull moment in the GNR world ... I don't know quite what to make of that.  Seems like if the date was chosen already that someone else's source would have mentioned it, there'd have to be some promotional material in the works by now ...

[Guns N Ballz]

Well the picture itself could be manipulated. You could "white out" the area of one cd, use the same font to retype what ever you want in its place. After all the years of lies who do you believe?

[axls#2]

convincing

[twitcher]

It would be nice to have it released....but I'm not writing that date in my diary yet.

I'd say about 2/10 on the reliability chart

[Guns N Ballz]

Well this is GNR and you never know. Promos for GH didn't start until a month before hand right? Maybe CD will be handled in the same fashion.

[axls#2]

I just hate believing any thing.

Like somebody could save the page, figure out the font and then edit it.

But hell . . . . . I just don't want to fall for any thing except solid proof in my hands.  

so your saying if somebody were to do that, they probably have alot of free time?  

[twitcher]

I just hate believing any thing.

Like somebody could save the page, figure out the font and then edit it.

But hell . . . . . I just don't want to fall for any thing except solid proof in my hands.  

so your saying if somebody were to do that, they probably have alot of free time?  

only if you call 10 minutes a lot

[Guns N Ballz]

Well 2/10 is pretty harsh for this rumor. I mean it is quality work.  

I'm not even saying it isn't believable. I just don't care to believe any thing except for solid proof.

[Rocket_queen125]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/104-6474620-6575152

thats the link that was in the adress bar
 

this is what it says now
Browser Bug?
Attention: There appears to be a bug in the web browser you are currently using. Here are some ways to get around the problem:

To return to the page you were previously on: --click the BACK button on your browser's navigation bar until you reach the desired page.
To checkout --click on the shopping cart icon at the top of the page and proceed through the checkout process using the standard server (instead of the secure server). You can phone or fax the credit card information to us.

[axls#2]

eh well...no need to really debate this one...if it's true we will find out soon enough, if  it's not, no big deal, not like we haven't been let down before....im sure we'll see something this summer anyhow.

[axl_rose_700]

Sorry to seem dumb, but what are you all talking about??

I clicked on the links and it just says that the page cannot be displayed!!

Anyone fancy shedding some light onto what you're all getting worked up about??

Taa

[Mutherfunker]

1). Trust me, it takes far more than 10mins to edit a web page like that. If you did manage it in the first place, then you'd have to alter the address in the bar on the screen shot because the edited page would have to be on your computer.

2). That picture has not been edited, I'm 99% on that, I've had a very close look.

@#$%Muther

Edit: Rocket Queen, when I click on your link, I get that message, but if I type it into my address bar, it works as a normal search (no CD of course)

[twitcher]

1). Trust me, it takes far more than 10mins to edit a web page like that. If you did manage it in the first place, then you'd have to alter the address in the bar on the screen shot because the edited page would have to be on your computer.

2). That picture has not been edited, I'm 99% on that, I've had a very close look.

@#$%Muther

Edit: Rocket Queen, when I click on your link, I get that message, but if I type it into my address bar, it works as a normal search (no CD of course)

I wouldn't copy the whole web site or the page...i'd take a screenshot and then edit the one line using the same font. And you would have no chance of telling if it was edited.

10 minutes no sweat.  

[Mutherfunker]

I would modify the page because it would be more believable. You can tell if it's been modified unless someone one has been very, very, very careful with a picture. As far as I can tell, the screenshot is not edited.

@#$%Muther

[twitcher]

didn't time it, but approx 10 minutes...(yeah you could tell it's edited coz of the spacing but if i could be arsed to perfect it  you wouldn't)

had to jpeg coz it was too big for my free site.

http://www.webpost.net/fi/finck/gnrcd-date.jpg


(BTW I never said this was edited - i believe it wasn't - I was just giving a reference for how long it would take to do something like that)

[just_one]

i searched amazon.com and cdnow.com for guns and roses and chinese democracy and didnt find anything!!!

its BS!

[Nacho Man Randy Salsa]

What?I am lost....


Can someone review what this thread is about,because I thought it was about a listing at geocities....

[pilferk]

One point to make:

Notice in the "CD" screenshot it says "Popular Music:See all 30 results"?

Notice if you do a search now, it says "Popular Music:See all 30 results"?

Now, to my logic, if CD had really been added, even for a few seconds, shouldn't the "CD" screenshot say "Popular Music: See all 31 results?

I'm not saying the screenie isn't real, but given that the count doesn't change...I have my doubts.

For any other posters out there....I have a request (we'll see if it's honored).  IF you come across a page like this in the future, do 2 things to help us verify it's legitamacy.  First, in IE, click File, the Save As.  Give the page a name and save it to your HD.  Second, click Tools, then View Source.  Then, when the source code window opens, click File, then Save As, give the file a name (gnrpage.txt or something like that) and save THAT to your HD as well.  Once you do that, we can pretty much get verificiation if the page is legit or not from the results.

[pilferk]

What?I am lost....


Can someone review what this thread is about,because I thought it was about a listing at geocities....

Xavier,
   Actually, geocities was just the place they were "hosting" the screenshot.  The original poster claims they have a screenshot of a search of CDNOW, showing CD with a release date of May 18th, '04.  They further claim that the item has now been removed, and further searches don't bring it up.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/sim-explorer/explore-items/-/B00000DAHK/0/101/1/dvd/purchase/ref=pd_sxp_filt_d/103-7477399-8799845

 

I think that 'related items' don't really have to be related.. just what another customer who bought that item also bought

perhaps same thing with searches...

[Death Cube K]

If the screenshot had been a JPG it would have been more in the right direction so to speak, but it's very very easy to take a bmp shot, modify the damn thing and put up again. Ive done it a few times with other things. No biggie.

[darknemus]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/sim-explorer/explore-items/-/B00000DAHK/0/101/1/dvd/purchase/ref=pd_sxp_filt_d/103-7477399-8799845

 

I think that 'related items' don't really have to be related.. just what another customer who bought that item also bought

perhaps same thing with searches...

Actually, I've been doing a bit of testing on the 'related searches' thing.  It appears that that information is hardcoded into the database by the DBA (DataBase Admin) - They are NOT generated automatically via relational links.  So, in summary, some DBA actually put 'Chinese Democracy' in there as a search term - but the big problem is, we have no way of knowing when.

(For those curious how I tested this - basically, I did about 20 searches for both more mainstream and some more obscure things.. the really obscure dont have ANY relationals  - even though I know they would based upon related terms if the DB built them automatically)

-darknemus

[Evil Ash]

I wish it was true! but it isn't...

If you save the site you can easily replace Use your Illusion I into Chinese Democracy...
But then the file would be on your pc... The stupid fuck here didn't host the file and just opened it on his pc!
If he put off his statusbar, it wouldn't matter but he didn't (again: stupid fuck)

So when you look in the right bottomcorner of the screenshot you see "My Computer" as where it's supposed to say "Internet"...

Damnit, I hate fucking fuckos who do shit like this!

Sorry, getting a bit angry here

  rock on

[Lucs]

Totally right Evil Ash!

Plus, it's not well done, take a look at that:



He hasn't underlined "Chinese Democracy" title, like the others... he underlined a space with the title.

I hate those kind of guys who has nothing to do except making bullshits like that.

[Death Cube K]

LOL, right! That's it then.

[pilferk]

Mods:
   Might I suggest changing the title to FAKE:(Subject)?

And, whatever disiplinary actions you see fit, of course.

[Evil Ash]

I dunno, it maybe a bold statement...

BUT THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD KNOWS ABOUT CHINESE DEMOCRACY!!!
Of course it's gonna suggest guns n' roses!!

[Lucs]

Hey, it's easy to understand why the made the relation between Guns N'Roses and Chinese Democracy.

Since 99 we know for sure that Guns N'Roses next album is being called Chinese Democracy. That's it. Amazon just related GNR and Chinese Democracy because of that.

[Mutherfunker]

Totally right Evil Ash!

Plus, it's not well done, take a look at that:



He hasn't underlined "Chinese Democracy" title, like the others... he underlined a space with the title.

I hate those kind of guys who has nothing to do except making bullshits like that.

Well fuck me! I didn't see that. Time like this you've just gotta put your hands up and say...

You fucking piece of shit motherfucker, I'm going to fucking kill you    

@#$%Muther

[McGann]

Just as an FYI, I'm just about positive that "Chinese Democracy" has been a related search on Amazon since the Greatest Hits was first on there last year before the aborted Novemeber release.
I've seen it there, at least, since November.  
/Mike

[kujo722]

To add to the B.S. factor:

I did a few searches on confirmed upcoming releases (Aerosmith, Eric Clapton, etc.) and when the title does show up, there is never a release date posted after the title.

[Christos AG]

I changed the title.

[echrisl]

How did I know that it would say FAKE in the title of this thread the next time I checked.  Nice detective work guys!

[pilferk]

Then care to explain how, in the lower right corner of the screenie, it says "My Computer" above the task bar and not "Internet"?  'Cause the fact it says "My Computer" means you're looking at a file SAVED ON YOUR PC, rather than a page on the net...

Or care to explain how, if the item had really been added, it would say "See all 31 matches", rather than "See all 30 matches" (since CD would represent one additional match)? Or how come, when looking at any other Amazon, or CDNow upcoming release, the release date is NEVER, EVER in the item "title"?

No? Can't do it?

Exactly....

[SLCPUNK]

Then care to explain how, in the lower right corner of the screenie, it says "My Computer" above the task bar and not "Internet"?  'Cause the fact it says "My Computer" means you're looking at a file SAVED ON YOUR PC, rather than a page on the net...

Or care to explain how, if the item had really been added, it would say "See all 31 matches", rather than "See all 30 matches" (since CD would represent one additional match)? Or how come, when looking at any other Amazon, or CDNow upcoming release, the release date is NEVER, EVER in the item "title"?

No? Can't do it?

Exactly....

HA!!!!!  

Bust that homeboy!!!!!

Nice detective work guys. Real fast.

So does this guy get banned or what?

[Guns N Ballz]

TOLD YOU SO!

[loretian]

Oh geeze, give it up.

Amazon.com doesn't even run off a database that they'd just accidently make the item available, the updates occur at night and are originally inputted into a different db altogether, then transferred over at a set time.    It wouldn't just show up and disappear unless someone specifically went to the trouble to do that.

Besides, you failed to address the other issues pilferk pointed out.  Face it, that was a nice little trick, but it didn't last long and you got busted.

[SLCPUNK]

ok dicksmack when you go to add favorites and check the little box that says make available offline then disconnect and then open the file hmm tell me wat is says in the bottom right corner ass hole

If you are going to try and defend yourself at least act like a gentleman about it. Don't take your frustrations out on everybody else.

[SLCPUNK]

Oh geeze, give it up.


Besides, you failed to address the other issues pilferk pointed out.  Face it, that was a nice little trick, but it didn't last long and you got busted.

Right.

Shut your cake hole and walk away.

[jarmo]

I think we're done with this thread.



/jarmo

[Will]

Or care to explain how, if the item had really been added, it would say "See all 31 matches", rather than "See all 30 matches" (since CD would represent one additional match)? Or how come, when looking at any other Amazon, or CDNow upcoming release, the release date is NEVER, EVER in the item "title"?

Rocket_queen125, if you can't explain that I guess you can kiss this board goodbye. If you are indeed a long timer, one would think you already know this kind of crap doesn't help you stay around here.