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« on: June 23, 2005, 09:37:51 PM »

Poll: In wake of Iraq war, allies prefer China to U.S.
America's rating was lowest in Turkey, Pakistan and Jordan

Manage Alerts | What Is This? WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States' image is so tattered overseas two years after the Iraq invasion that communist China is viewed more favorably than the U.S. in many long-time Western European allies, an international poll has found.

The poor image persists even though the Bush administration has been promoting freedom and democracy throughout the world in recent months -- which many viewed favorably -- and has sent hundreds of millions of dollars in relief aid to Indian Ocean nations hit by the devastating December 26 tsunami.

"It's amazing when you see the European public rating the United States so poorly, especially in comparison with China," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, which surveyed public opinion in 16 countries, including the United States.

In Britain, almost two-thirds of Britons, 65 percent, saw China favorably, compared with 55 percent who held a positive view of the United States.

In France, 58 percent had an upbeat view of China, compared with 43 percent who felt that way about the U.S. The results were nearly the same in Spain and the Netherlands.

The United States' favorability rating was lowest among three Muslim nations which are also U.S. allies -- Turkey, Pakistan and Jordan -- where only about one-fifth of those polled viewed the U.S. in a positive light.

Only India and Poland were more upbeat about the United States, while Canadians were just as likely to see China favorably as they were the U.S.

The poll found suspicion and wariness of the United States in many countries where people question the war in Iraq and are growing wary of the U.S.-led campaign against terrorism.

"The Iraq war has left an enduring impression on the minds of people around the world in ways that make them very suspicious of U.S. intentions and makes the effort to win hearts and minds far more difficult," said Shibley Telhami, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

The overseas image of the United States slipped sharply after the Iraq invasion in 2003, the Pew polling found, and it has not rebounded in Western European countries like Britain, France, Germany and Spain.

However the U.S. image has bounced back in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country which benefited from U.S. aid to tsunami victims, as well as in India and Russia.

Support for the U.S.-led war on terror has dipped in Western countries like Britain, France, Germany, Canada and Spain, while it remains low in the Muslim countries surveyed like Pakistan, Turkey and Jordan.

"The position of the United States as the one surviving superpower is to be assertive in responding in a world of terrorism. But in the rest of the world, there is a great wariness about that," said John Danforth, the former Republican senator from Missouri who also was U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. He is now a St. Louis attorney.

The poll found a positive reaction in European countries to President George W. Bush's campaign for more democracy in countries around the world. People in Muslim countries were wary of the U.S. campaign, but supportive of the idea of democracy in their own countries.

Danforth said the attitudes in the Mideast about democracy were a bright spot.

"We should keep plugging away on democracy," Danforth said. "But we need to do a better job of communicating what we're trying to do."

The survey found that a majority of people in most countries say the United States does not take the interests of other countries into account when making international policy decisions.

It also found most would like to see another country get as much military power as the United States, though few want China to play that role.

People in most countries were more inclined to say the war in Iraq has made the world a more dangerous place. Non-U.S. residents who had unfavorable views of the United States were most likely to cite Bush as the reason rather than a general problem with America.

The polls were taken in various countries from late April to the end of May with samples of about 1,000 in most countries, with more interviewees in India and China and slightly less than 1,000 in the European countries. The margin of sampling error ranged from 2 percentage points to 4 percentage points, depending on the sample size.

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2005, 09:39:24 PM »

Is this actually true?  A country which kills its own people and his horrible in the arena of human rights.  I sure hope this isnt true. 
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2005, 09:40:31 PM »

i dont see that too surprising, as America was in favour of the war in Iraq. Countries like Jordan, Pakistan, and Turkey fear the U.S's strength, and they know China wont bother to invade them. U.S always has a possibiblity of that.
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2005, 09:44:08 PM »

Is this actually true? A country which kills its own people and his horrible in the arena of human rights. I sure hope this isnt true.

when you pose the question like that, no. But that is a profoundly ill-equipped question. I'm sure someone far more clever than i could think up reasons for disliking the US and putting that into question form.


But if somebody asked me which country i prefered then i'd go for china, without a doubt. In 30 years time it'll be them calling the shots.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2005, 09:46:32 PM »

Prefer over the US?  Obviously the US has its faults, but you prefer China to the US?  Has the anti-americanism gone that far?
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2005, 09:48:57 PM »

why is it anti-americanism? do you think we have a natural love of america and this has been driven out of us?

A country is not just its government.
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2005, 09:50:40 PM »

i dont see that too surprising, as America was in favour of the war in Iraq. Countries like Jordan, Pakistan, and Turkey fear the U.S's strength, and they know China wont bother to invade them. U.S always has a possibiblity of that.
This is exactly why I try to combat those articles that question the motives of the US and claim that we lied. ?I think Bush is a jackass, but by printing stories and repeating things that have no basis in fact people believe that we have bad motives for the moves we make. ?Of course, a good part of it is the fault of the administration because they never combat any of the BS.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2005, 09:53:05 PM »

why is it anti-americanism? do you think we have a natural love of america and this has been driven out of us?

A country is not just its government.
Perhaps that is the wrong term.  But when you prefer a communist nation that kills its own citizens and is on the bottom of the list of human rights, I am not sure what else to call it.  I can see our faults, but saying that we are less preferred than China?  It makes me happy that we are distancing ourselves from the UN and other world bodies.  If people cant see the difference with the US and China, then Im not sure I want them to have any part in our decision making process.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2005, 09:57:11 PM »

I prefer china because its government seems less corrupted than the American one. Thus China operates better. But then again, thats how things look like.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2005, 09:59:51 PM »

I prefer china because its government seems less corrupted than the American one. Thus China operates better. But then again, thats how things look like.
Less corrupted?? What do you mean by corrupt?? Letting the people have no say in the politcal process?? I realize that our system has its problems, but you are preffering one-party communist China to the US.  You do realize that we have a free press here, where they have nothing of the kind.  Makes you wonder if you would even get information about corruption in China??

Certainly, I have had my disagreements with Chirac and France, but I wouldnt say I prefer Pakistan or China to them.? That would be ridiculous.
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2005, 01:07:19 AM »

I prefer china because its government seems less corrupted than the American one. Thus China operates better. But then again, thats how things look like.
Less corrupted?? What do you mean by corrupt?? Letting the people have no say in the politcal process?? I realize that our system has its problems, but you are preffering one-party communist China to the US.? You do realize that we have a free press here, where they have nothing of the kind.? Makes you wonder if you would even get information about corruption in China??

Certainly, I have had my disagreements with Chirac and France, but I wouldnt say I prefer Pakistan or China to them.? That would be ridiculous.

what the hell is this anti-american stuff coming to. i don't agree with decisions the US has made, but how in the hell could Europeans possibly view China as more favourable in regards to the US. that is ridiculous. here in Australia, there's a news story about a chinese immigrant who the chinese government is after. if we send him back to china he will be killed! i forget why they want him, but its probably something like oh.....i dunno wanting to form a democratic party. they've stopped people trying to form a democratic party before and jailed those who do.

do europeans know this? this is just one of the corrupt and unjust things the chinese government do but there are many. wow the media is saying america is so bad......now you can choose to agree or disagree or find out for yourself. but to favour china over us. preposterous!. the only reason the europeans probably believe in what they're saying is because of the constant media criticism of US, if they actually knew what the chinese government got up to these days they would be singing a different tune.

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2005, 01:19:55 AM »

Is this actually true? A country which kills its own people and his horrible in the arena of human rights. I sure hope this isnt true.

when you pose the question like that, no. But that is a profoundly ill-equipped question. I'm sure someone far more clever than i could think up reasons for disliking the US and putting that into question form.


But if somebody asked me which country i prefered then i'd go for china, without a doubt. In 30 years time it'll be them calling the shots.

Besides the War in Iraq, what do you dislike about the U.S.?

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2005, 01:30:47 AM »

Is this actually true?? A country which kills its own people and his horrible in the arena of human rights.? I sure hope this isnt true.?

I'm confused...

You are talking about China or USA?

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2005, 02:06:13 AM »

Well as far as super power goes China is on the way up.

They are trying to buy UNOCAL and Maytag, but more serious they've done deals to buy Venezuelan oil which we are dependent on. They also just bought IBM (PC business) for about 1.75 billion.

 As our dollar drops (Read: Bush) it makes hard assets easy to pick up for foreigners........ Seems like they are taking us head on economically.

I'm curious to see what happens.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2005, 02:10:43 AM »

I dont understand the backlash at all.

U can't let one person ruin an entire nation.

News stations should run a little disclaimer at the bottom of each Bush speech.

The views expressed in this interview are not the views of all americans, please believe.

I would find that shocking and disappointing to think people would hate our nation because of the War on Iraq and because of who our president is.
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2005, 02:15:14 AM »



I would find that shocking and disappointing to think people would hate our nation because of the War on Iraq and because of who our president is.

Be prepared to be shocked and disapointed then.
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2005, 02:26:35 AM »

at least china has a future, somewhere to go and to evolve.

rich countries like the US or france or, can only go worst and worst.
we're doomed. we're so rotten and sick.
america is almost decadent.

so yeah, if i had to bet on a country and go for it, i'll pick china or a poor country, they CAN go better. they can heal themselves. they can reach to democracy.

america (or any other rich country) is just fucked. we're sick with our plastic surgery tv shows and patriotism.
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2005, 02:31:39 AM »



america (or any other rich country) is just fucked. we're sick with our plastic surgery tv shows and patriotism.

Ouch!!! That hurts..........

You forgot that we are all getting fat, and have fat kids too!

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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2005, 02:54:35 AM »

Ouch!!! That hurts..........

You forgot that we are all getting fat, and have fat kids too!

Come on, be realistic... That's obviously not going to be a problem for much longer, aren't you aware that they have machines which pump your abs and you don't even have to leave your television?   yes
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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2005, 02:59:12 AM »

why is it anti-americanism? do you think we have a natural love of america and this has been driven out of us?

A country is not just its government.
Perhaps that is the wrong term.? But when you prefer a communist nation that kills its own citizens and is on the bottom of the list of human rights, I am not sure what else to call it.? I can see our faults, but saying that we are less preferred than China?? It makes me happy that we are distancing ourselves from the UN and other world bodies.? If people cant see the difference with the US and China, then Im not sure I want them to have any part in our decision making process.

Maybe it is time you take a more honest look at the actions of your country.

At what point are you going to stop blaming everybody else?

Did it ever occur to you that we have lost respect in the world?

Or is your narrow-minded view, ie everybody else is wrong, impossible to let go of?

Bush's approval rating (AT HOME!!!) is between 37-44% (depending on what poll you look at). Do you really think that the world is going to have a better view of us then the nimrods hanging onto their pride here at home?

Part of America's strength was it's ability to inspire people of other nations. We've lost that because of greed, hypocrisy, lies, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and those remaining 37-44% who think Bush is doing a great job. It baffles people abroad.
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