Cd.com ?

[GNRreunioneventually]

is anyone else having any trouble getting into chinesedemocracy.com? every time i type into my browser it says "page unavalible" or some shit like that.

ITS STARTING TO PISS ME OFF

can some one tell me why its doing this or what i'm doing wrong?

Thank you in advanced

[supaplex]

it's the same for me so i don't think you're doing something wrong.

first roses of velvet, now cd.com

OMG chinese democracy starts now!!!!!!!

[GNRreunioneventually]

If what i think is happening CHINESE DEMOCRACY will never start 

[workaholic]

I'm getting only a white page.
Any ideas?

[GNRreunioneventually]

I'm getting only a white page.
Any ideas?

do you have dialup?
cause it'll take a good 2 or 3 minutes longer to load if it is. If not then i don't know can't help ya




btw welcome to the board

[cotis]

why is it down this time?

'discussing things'?

[GNRreunioneventually]

Goddamn hackers

[Dark Angel]

Got told that its complicated and they are working on it 

[cody6977]

anybody know why chinesedemocracy.com is down???  just curious....

[bumbleslash]

go here
chinesedemocracy.com

yeah, tell me what the heck is up..all links to the forum are dead, and thats all there is at cd.com.
 
did gn'r buy the domain?

[LittleFly]

Could be interesting...

History indicates that it's probably not all that interesting though

[Orgasmatron]

I've been wondering the same thing dude, but who knows..

If it is the start of something it's about damn time, but let's not hold our breath..

[bumbleslash]

"This Is Guns N' Roses. This Is Chinese Democracy"
"Chiense Democracy: ONLY ONE"

this is like some NIN hints haha?:S

[Orgasmatron]

Sladdi better not just be stuffing around 'cos I wanna go back and post on CD.com already dammit!

[Verse Chorus Verse]

Probably site maintenance or something of the like, probably means nothing.

[Voodoochild]

Yeah, they were in maintenance yesterday already.

[bumbleslash]

Yeah, they were in maintenance yesterday already.

they were discussing stuff yesterday..

and all the links to the site are dead, like go to whatever link you have in your history of a thread and its dead.

[Voodoochild]

If they are messing up with the database, of course all links would be dead.

[bumbleslash]

If they are messing up with the database, of course all links would be dead.

then why is that page up, it has come up in the past few hours as well.?

this is gn'r this is cd. JUST ONE.

..its just interesing..

[Voodoochild]

I dunno, maybe its just a tease for a brand new board/site or at least a new script or design?

[bumbleslash]

i dont think they would change they were VERY proud of there design, i must admit its the most importnat feature i look for in a board.

[Orgasmatron]

They changed designs many times, I joined late 2005 and saw 4-5 maybe 6 different designs..

[mrbucketfoot]

regardless of what's happening, it's dramatic and cryptic. whether that is necessary is yet to be determined.

[gnrjanus]

Whats up with the website,  it's down, I know for maintenance.

But it says now,  This is Guns N' Roses, this is chinese democracy,  and   Just one??? anyone

[gunns1]

updating the look of the site from what ive been told,

Looks great by the way,
looks fresh clean and bright, although I think i prefered the previous one,

[gunns1]

has the current design" of htgth always been the same?

caus no offence, but if this is an improvement on old designs,
then 

but it does the job at least,

once again,no dissrespect to the board

[seely]

Didn't they already update it at the start of the year?

[Orgasmatron]

updating the look of the site from what ive been told,

Looks great by the way,
looks fresh clean and bright, although I think i prefered the previous one,

What looks fresh, clean and bright? I know for a fact you can't have seen the board in its current state.

[oneAXLinamillion]

Didn't they already update it at the start of the year?

yes they did....quite wierd they're updating again!

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

we'll be back soon i think ...

[roboaxl]

hmm... just an update. All good I guess. Of course the subtitle of Starts Now was misleading at first. But typing ChineseDemocracy.com into google mentions the site now has bews and biographies. Seems the site's expanding...

[jarmo]

Sladdi's version of the events: http://www.newgnr.com/forum/index.php?topic=33157.0





/jarmo

[Christos AG]

Another drama unfolds?

First ROV, now cd and newgnr?

The soap opera writers could get a few stories off the net.

Damn, this is getting better and better...

[Jim Bob]

so both sites have basically teh same forum/database up, but are running seperately? 

edit: yup, i have the same set of private messages on 2 different sites now.      Its gonna be like alternate cyber realities.

[GNRreunioneventually]

i just got an email not 3 seconds ago. I'm assuming all CD.com members got one like this-

Dear forum members,

Unlike Oasis, we could not find a way...

As you have noticed, the forum you knew as ChineseDemocracy.com has been down for the past couple of days. It is now again reachable under NewGNR.com/forum. The reason for this is that your admins, BP and Sladdi, have parted ways. Unfortunately, the parting of ways was not an amicable one.

As the forum really belongs to you, its users, I feel that you deserve an explanation of what happened. This is the story as told by me, Sladdi. There may be other sides of the story, which I encourage you to listen to, and to then make up your own mind.

• BP and myself both have owned GN'R fansites for a long time, gunsnroses.us and NewGNR.com.
• BP and I both owned forums for our websites from around 2001. In addition, we both were members on the forum that was owned by soemeone else on ChineseDemocracy.com. Later on, I also became a moderator there.
• In 2003, we decided to join forces, and merged the NewGNR.com (~5000 users) and gunsnroses.us (~1000 users) forums to NewGNR.com/bbs. In early 2004, BP bought the ChineseDemocracy.com domain name for a bargain through eBay to use it for our forum.
• We both do the pages and forums in our free time, and on our own money. Running a page/forum that gets as much traffic as ours does cost a lot of time, and money. So you might not have been surprised when we started having ads on our forum in 2006.
• ChineseDemocracy.com, as well as the merger forum before, was hosted on my servers for nearly 5 years. Yet, the ads we showed on the forum were BP's, i.e. all the money went to him, while I paid for the servers. I was fine with it, as at the time, he needed it. And regardless what you are told, the server IS costing me money at certain occassions, and in my current sitaution I consider this serious money.
• It's now two years since we've had the ads. Since then, I have intensified my studies at the University, and paying for the server would become difficult sooner or later. I approached BP last week to ask if we could run my ads for a while on the forum. He has refused to have his ads removed, and he prefered we would part ways and continue with our own forums, so we can both earn. I would also have to hand over a copy of the database (including all posts, users, passwords, ...) to BP, which I refuse to do, not only for safety reasons (passwords), but also I wasn't comfortable with the idea that BP would technically be able to just put up a copy of this forum and the database and it's "his new ChineseDemocracy.com" - which would be nothing but unfair.
• To protect the forum, I removed BP's administrative rights, and turned the forum off until we would have sorted things out.
• I noticed that the DNS entry for ChineseDemocracy.com no longer points to my server. Given the timeframe in which it happened, I'm tempted to believe this change was initiated before BP proposed his idea mentioned above.
• Since I invested all the money (and most of the time - creating all forums we have had together, as well as the redesigns in 2004 and 2006 which were entirely Bessam's and my work), I don't understand why I should hand over the forum to BP, with or without copy for me. I therefore moved it to NewGNR.com/forum, where you'll find it from now on as it used to be.

As many of you know, the relationship between BP and me was more than just net-buddies. BP and blueheart have asked me to be their best man - which was really an honor; I was here when they kinda got together and then to see them marry was truly beautiful. I value the friendship to both of them very highly. I am sad that things went down the way they did, it certainly never was my intention to hurt their (or anyone's) feelings. Eventhough I don't agree on same forums and databases being copied and hosted at different places, I wish them all the best with whatever their plans for ChineseDemocracy.com might be.

Sincerely yours,
Sladdi

To unsubscribe from these announcements, login to the forum and uncheck "Receive forum announcements and important notifications by email." in your profile.

You can view the full announcement by following this link:

http://www.newgnr.com/forum/index.php?topic=33157.0

Regards,
The Guns N' Roses NewGNR.COM Forum Team

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

drama s

Another drama unfolds?

i cant stand internet drama, i just want to look at a good looking forum and talk about how sexy jackie kennedy is !

hey christos, i still have the GNR.gr lighter you gave in london, it's my favorite gnr item ever

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

bp answer

I didn't approve of any of this and sladdi's facts are way off.? I'll give my thoughts at a later time, but he has 0 bills for server and never did.? 2. I pay around $200 for the GNR Community a month. Adsense helps me only a little bit. sladdi makes much more than that with newgnr.com.? I'm sorry sladdi wants everything and to leave me nothing:

No server access (Not allowed backups and not allowed files) are you kidding me?
didn't want me to work on the site
didn't want me to collect any adsense towards my server while he had a $0 bill
Didn't think I had a right to my files?? are you kidding me man?
No uTube
No mods whatsoever
basically said I can't do or have anything to do with my part of the site including my files.

He refused to work with me even half way and instead of us working the forum together he wanted the site on newgnr.com to collect more ad revenue because with what he was collecting $$ already was not enuff for him, but certainly a lot more than me. and I am the only one with bills.

so this will never happen again, and I worked hard to get the site back up and now everything is on my server. I wish it was both of us working side by side.

I'm sorry, but now in the best interest of cd.com, everthing will be fine now.? That's all I have to say.

-BP

lets end the drama discussion anyway ... useless.

[Christos AG]

hey christos, i still have the GNR.gr lighter you gave in london, it's my favorite gnr item ever

It should be...

[leatherebel]

Regardless of whether you liked them or not, whether you were a member there or not, or whether you cared at all - this is all very sad.....

...apart from the part keeping Christos entertained with the drama and soap...


Interestingly, it is not the first time BP has had to deal with dirty laundary in public...

[sladdi]

Hey all - thanks for your concern about our forum. My explanation/opinion has been posted above, thanks to Jarmo / CHINESE  DEMOCRACY eventually.

As you can imagine, I'm a little busy right now (not to speak of being stressed out because of the last couple of days). I'll answer questions if you have any...

Thank you for your concern and understanding.

[blueheart]

Ok... I have to say that the last couple of months have been difficult for cd.com.... I wasn't really happy with the decision that sladdi and BP got to part ways....

Knowing that BP is really tired to make a full explanation post about the situation as he has been working on bringing CD.com back since Friday night, let me say our side of the story...

BP got a server some months ago in order to host the gnr tracker with lots of bandwidth, memory, space etc... As the cost of this server is really high per month, the income of the cd.com ads is going towards to that bill and the rest of it it's covered my BP's "pocket" and user donations from the tracker...

At that time I asked him why he is not moving the forum at his server instead of paying hosting and I was surprised to hear that sladdi is hosting the forum at a friend's server and that BP doesn't have access to it... He then made clear that sladdi's friend is not charging him for hosting and that's why they were hosting the forum there...

Following that I suggested Sean to talk with sladdi about equal access to the forum files. So Sean asked sladdi to give him access to his server or even better move the forum at Sean's server in order to benefit the better bandwidth, have professional emails chinesedemocracy.com when email users, work on new things like private section etc etc....

Sladdi refused to give access or move the site and Sean felt like he doesn't own his own site... and Sean feels that he has a responsibility to maintain the users (members).

Many discussions were done during all these weeks when suddenly sladdi suggested some days ago to overtake the ads of cd.com in order to gain some money for himself... I understand that he might needs the money for any personal reasons but Sean made him clear that the money from the ads go to the server and as there was no way to work things out, he suggested to part ways. Sean told sladdi to put the forum under newgnr, as with the rank position the newgnr has, he can earn lots of money... considering how much money newgnr gets in daily basis....

There were lots of arguments and sladdi decided to lock Sean out of the forum, close the forum and keep all the database files for himself... thank God Sean run a backup through the admin panel and he was able with lots of work to restore the website today...

By reading sladdi's announcement I was AGAIN surprised to see him writing that he did the most work on cd.com considering that most sections of the forum were created by Sean such as CD.com support, The Green Room, The Garden (was always at cd.com and was Sean's idea to keep it), Bands and Artists, Artists & Thinkers and East Village along with all the international boards... 

Also all the graphics were made by Bessam and we really thank him for continuing working with cd.com

Another note is that gunsnroses.us had about 3.ooo members when the merged happened and not 1.000 as sladdi mentioned...

There was no intention from our side to part ways and Sean redirected the domain on Friday night when Sladdi shut down the forum. We always considered sladdi as family and that's why we asked him to be our best man on our wedding. He has been more than just a friend and partner to Sean all these years and to me since I met him... I never expected something like that happening and I hope that soon we will leave all these things behind.

CD.com will launch an even better layout soon and I really wish the best to sladdi and his new (?) solo project...

Sincerely yours,

- Demy

http://chinesedemocracy.com/forum/index.php/topic,33157.msg832140.html#msg832140


oh and vess you better keep your mouth shut when you don't know shit... you always had a weird agenda against BP, weird when you never talked with him...

[leatherebel]

I have nothing else to say to you than the fact that you look gorgeous?
Yes, try to put all drama behind and try to focus on the postives. This is one of them.


If anyone doesn't understand all that is happening is because of nickel n' diming and power in the gn'r community (both current but especially future), then they should seriously start worrying about their intellectual abilities.


BTW, having put things like this on your web site isn't really nice:

HOLIDAY SEASON 2007 - SHOP GUNS N' ROSES
Support Guns N' Roses by supporting GUNSNROSES.US. Shop this holiday season through our Amazon.com Store. GNR STORE

Do you really need GN'R lawyers attention now?


Happy Holidays!

[Jim Bob]

BTW, having put things like this on your web site isn't really nice:

HOLIDAY SEASON 2007 - SHOP GUNS N' ROSES
Support Guns N' Roses by supporting GUNSNROSES.US. Shop this holiday season through our Amazon.com Store. GNR STORE

Do you really need GN'R lawyers attention now?

Thats just affiliate marketing... its not illegal. 

[jarmo]

BTW, having put things like this on your web site isn't really nice:

HOLIDAY SEASON 2007 - SHOP GUNS N' ROSES
Support Guns N' Roses by supporting GUNSNROSES.US. Shop this holiday season through our Amazon.com Store. GNR STORE

Do you really need GN'R lawyers attention now?

Thats just affiliate marketing... its not illegal. 

Well maybe not illegal, the wording is a bit weird in my opinion.

I'd say it like: "Support my site by buying GN'R products at our Amazon store".....

 




/jarmo

[chineseblues]

BTW, having put things like this on your web site isn't really nice:

HOLIDAY SEASON 2007 - SHOP GUNS N' ROSES
Support Guns N' Roses by supporting GUNSNROSES.US. Shop this holiday season through our Amazon.com Store. GNR STORE

Do you really need GN'R lawyers attention now?

Thats just affiliate marketing... its not illegal. 

Not illegal, but not cool either. It's pretty much what Romano does by making money off GNR. And as we all know, BP has always been against that, right?

[Jim Bob]

BTW, having put things like this on your web site isn't really nice:

HOLIDAY SEASON 2007 - SHOP GUNS N' ROSES
Support Guns N' Roses by supporting GUNSNROSES.US. Shop this holiday season through our Amazon.com Store. GNR STORE

Do you really need GN'R lawyers attention now?

Thats just affiliate marketing... its not illegal. 

Not illegal, but not cool either. It's pretty much what Romano does by making money off GNR. And as we all know, BP has always been against that, right?

well mygnr.com is basically one giant ad.   it gives off the appearance that its sole purpose is there to make money, not run as a fan site.     

i don't see anything wrong with using one or two ads on a site, it does cost money to maintain a site.  as long as its tasteful and the ads are built around the site, not the site built around ads.. JMO.   Everyone has different opinions on it.   

And of course thers sites like this one that never use ads, and thats definitely respectable.    And I agree Jarmo, it could be worded better.

[chineseblues]

BTW, having put things like this on your web site isn't really nice:

HOLIDAY SEASON 2007 - SHOP GUNS N' ROSES
Support Guns N' Roses by supporting GUNSNROSES.US. Shop this holiday season through our Amazon.com Store. GNR STORE

Do you really need GN'R lawyers attention now?

Thats just affiliate marketing... its not illegal. 

Not illegal, but not cool either. It's pretty much what Romano does by making money off GNR. And as we all know, BP has always been against that, right?

well mygnr.com is basically one giant ad.   it gives off the appearance that its sole purpose is there to make money, not run as a fan site.     

i don't see anything wrong with using one or two ads on a site, it does cost money to maintain a site.  as long as its tasteful and the ads are built around the site, not the site built around ads.. JMO.   Everyone has different opinions on it.   

And of course thers sites like this one that never use ads, and thats definitely respectable.    And I agree Jarmo, it could be worded better.

I'm not really talking about the google ads though, I'm talking about the "store" thing. That's one thing I totally disagree with on any fan site.

[GNRreunioneventually]

So since Sladdi is now newgnr.com and BP is now CD.com can i sign into both using my one account? i can get into newgnr just fine but i'm wondering about CD.com cause it won't let sign in there

[jarmo]

BP got a server some months ago in order to host the gnr tracker with lots of bandwidth, memory, space etc... As the cost of this server is really high per month, the income of the cd.com ads is going towards to that bill and the rest of it it's covered my BP's "pocket" and user donations from the tracker...

A dedicated server just to host the tracker?

Nothing else?

As far as I know, the whole idea of BitTorrent is that the files aren't hosted on the web server....

I guess it gets a lot of traffic then.





/jarmo

[gnr2006]

Blueheartweb hosted sites must be really expensive........

since all of yours are and have been for quite some time tracing back to your own hosting, that you resell. (cd.com, the tracker)

i hope all those ads for scalped tickets in 06 paid the huge blueheartweb bill for that tracker

on a site note, Good Luck Sladdi, we all look forward to what you have planned for NewGNR! Thanks always for your hard work

[EstrangedReality]

As far as I know, the whole idea of BitTorrent is that the files aren't hosted on the web server....

Exactly.

You only need to pay a lot for bandwith if your tracker has a huge number of users constantly browsing the site - a tracker like The Pirate Bay, OiNK (R.I.P.), Demonoid, Dime a Dozen, etc. I find it really hard to believe that there are thousands of users all active at the same time on this small tracker eating up tons of bandwith. The GN'R fanbase is only a few thousand consistent users across two main forums, and I doubt even a quarter of them were active on this tracker.

[blueheart]

I have nothing else to say to you than the fact that you look gorgeous 
Yes, try to put all drama behind and try to focus on the postives. This is one of them.


If anyone doesn't understand all that is happening is because of nickel n' diming and power in the gn'r community (both current but especially future), then they should seriously start worrying about their intellectual abilities.


BTW, having put things like this on your web site isn't really nice:

HOLIDAY SEASON 2007 - SHOP GUNS N' ROSES
Support Guns N' Roses by supporting GUNSNROSES.US. Shop this holiday season through our Amazon.com Store. GNR STORE

Do you really need GN'R lawyers attention now?


Happy Holidays!

Yes, this is called affiliate marketing and as far as I know many websites have the same thing listed? including newgnr.com. Just click at the http://www.newgnr.com/store ...

The GN?R lawyers can contact Sean for anything that has to do with GNR.us and CD.com. They also have a special account for the forum that they can read things that you can?t ? like deleted threads and others.

Also, let me remind you some things from our last chat? Sean and I are almost never online the weekends. The thread you were talking about when you resigned from cd.com was moved back from another admin and not from Sean. Sean immediate deleted everything as soon as he was aware about what was happening. You don?t know him. You have never talked to him except from the times you were asking about more moderating rights? or should I say administrative rights as you had exactly the same rights with all the mods. There is also a proof that another admin asked you not to remove that thread ? yet ? that day? you had receive a pm that day? Sladdi also promised that was going to talk to you about that entire situation? I don?t know if he ever did.

BP got a server some months ago in order to host the gnr tracker with lots of bandwidth, memory, space etc... As the cost of this server is really high per month, the income of the cd.com ads is going towards to that bill and the rest of it it's covered my BP's "pocket" and user donations from the tracker...

A dedicated server just to host the tracker?

Nothing else?

As far as I know, the whole idea of BitTorrent is that the files aren't hosted on the web server....

I guess it gets a lot of traffic then.



/jarmo

A dedicated server for the entire GNR.us network? I guess you know that the tracker is under that. And yes a tracker needs a dedicated server for many security reasons; bandwidth, ports? plus most hosting companies don?t want to host trackers and simply delete them. They are shutting them down. Shared hosting is not reliable and it wouldn?t work. This way there is complete control over ports etc.

[tonya_ytzerman]

Also, let me remind you some things from our last chat? Sean and I are almost never online the weekends.

Yeah, especially last Saturday and Sunday you weren't online, like when those hackers put a forum on your servers, and then they made a new design for it too. Someone really should've called you. What are you talking about, anyway?

A dedicated server for the entire GNR.us network? I guess you know that the tracker is under that. And yes a tracker needs a dedicated server for many security reasons; bandwidth, ports? plus most hosting companies don?t want to host trackers and simply delete them. They are shutting them down. Shared hosting is not reliable and it wouldn?t work. This way there is complete control over ports etc.

If you have the tracker on blueheartweb, where's the problem with hosting the tracker? And good to know that you call your own shared hosting unreliable... As goes for the bandwidth etc issues I second Jarmo, gnr2006 and others - but I don't own a webhosting company, so who am I to know. Plus, the gnr.us tracker really shouldn't have (had) anything to do with the cd.com forum, so what's the issue anyway.

Seems like there's tons of dirty laundry, nice to know you're washing it at last - though I didn't necessarily expect you to let everyone watch it too. You should sell tickets  .

[blueheart]

Also, let me remind you some things from our last chat? Sean and I are almost never online the weekends.

Yeah, especially last Saturday and Sunday you weren't online, like when those hackers put a forum on your servers, and then they made a new design for it too. Someone really should've called you. What are you talking about, anyway?

A dedicated server for the entire GNR.us network? I guess you know that the tracker is under that. And yes a tracker needs a dedicated server for many security reasons; bandwidth, ports? plus most hosting companies don?t want to host trackers and simply delete them. They are shutting them down. Shared hosting is not reliable and it wouldn?t work. This way there is complete control over ports etc.

If you have the tracker on blueheartweb, where's the problem with hosting the tracker? And good to know that you call your own shared hosting unreliable... As goes for the bandwidth etc issues I second Jarmo, gnr2006 and others - but I don't own a webhosting company, so who am I to know. Plus, the gnr.us tracker really shouldn't have (had) anything to do with the cd.com forum, so what's the issue anyway.

Seems like there's tons of dirty laundry, nice to know you're washing it at last - though I didn't necessarily expect you to let everyone watch it too. You should sell tickets  .

it's really funny how you think you know everything... sladdi took the forum down on Friday night and didn't want to cooperate... that's why we spent this weekend online... maybe you don't know the meaning of the word "almost"... also note that cd.com wasn't online until the time that sladdi sent out a message that included lies to all the member list of cd.com... at the begging cd.com was up with no graphics at all... and later last night a draft template was updated... maybe you don't understand that what sladdi did was stealing...

the server that the tracker and the GNR.us site is hosted is dedicated and not shared... we never offered services for hosting trackers at blueheartweb... and again... exactly like you said... you don't own a hosting company and no you don't know...

The gnr.us tracker never had to do anything with chinesedemocracy.com... I don't know why you said that... all I said is that the dedicated server was bought for the tracker as it is a dedicated server it would be fair the forum to be hosted there so both Sean and Sladdi would have equal access as Sladdi's friend didn't want to give access to other person than him...


As I said to another board, it's funny how Sladdi claims that he pays for hosting when he doesn?t. That?s why the forum was hosted where it was. Because it was free!!!! If his host now asked for payments, that I doubt it, he could had just move it at Sean?s server that it would be free. (as Sean asked him many times so they can have equal access to cd.com). If again he had to pay for newgnr.com for bandwidth or whatever, he could again have moved his site at Sean?s server for free. But NO. He wanted everything for himself. Not equal access, no changes at the forum, no more mods and the ads for himself.

so please, back off... you can support sladdi to whatever point you want... and I have stant up for him many times and he knows that... but spreading lies it's not exactly good...

concerning the laundry you might want to look after yours... I washed mine and ironed them too 

[tonya_ytzerman]

Suddenly, we're clarifying a lot of things, aren't we?

it would be fair the forum to be hosted [on the tracker-dedicated server] so both Sean and Sladdi would have equal access as Sladdi's friend didn't want to give access to other person than him...

So it doesn't have to do with Sladdi being the mean, evil, power-hungry bastard - rather with his friend, who gives him a server for free and - understandably - doesn't want people he doesn't know to have access there.

he could had just move it at Sean?s server that it would be free.

Hmmm, a couple of posts ago you said it costs $200 a month. Interesting. But again, I don't own a webhosting company...

[chineseblues]

Suddenly, we're clarifying a lot of things, aren't we?

it would be fair the forum to be hosted [on the tracker-dedicated server] so both Sean and Sladdi would have equal access as Sladdi's friend didn't want to give access to other person than him...

So it doesn't have to do with Sladdi being the mean, evil, power-hungry bastard - rather with his friend, who gives him a server for free and - understandably - doesn't want people he doesn't know to have access there.

he could had just move it at Sean?s server that it would be free.

Hmmm, a couple of posts ago you said it costs $200 a month. Interesting. But again, I don't own a webhosting company...

Technically neither does blueheart, she owns a reseller company. She doesn't really own the servers as far as I know, some other company does...

[blueheart]

Suddenly, we're clarifying a lot of things, aren't we?

it would be fair the forum to be hosted [on the tracker-dedicated server] so both Sean and Sladdi would have equal access as Sladdi's friend didn't want to give access to other person than him...

So it doesn't have to do with Sladdi being the mean, evil, power-hungry bastard - rather with his friend, who gives him a server for free and - understandably - doesn't want people he doesn't know to have access there.

he could had just move it at Sean?s server that it would be free.

Hmmm, a couple of posts ago you said it costs $200 a month. Interesting.

you don't get it... right? The site was hosted at sladdi's server and only sladdi had access. That was ok because it was a solution at no cost for both of them. Few months ago... when Sean got his server (to host the gnr.us!!!) asked sladdi to move cd.com over there so they can both have equal access and some other things... but SURPISE!!! apparently sladdi didn't want Sean to have access and not his friend... 

The server does cost 200 $ and that's the hosting for the tracker!!! as it is a dedicated server sladdi wouldn't have to pay anything for hosting so it would be again free for him... same goes for the newgnr... Sean would had no problem to host sladdi's site at his server at no cost... BUT AGAIN... He is currently hosting his website for free so there was no need for that... whatever happened... happened because he needs the money. And I do understand that due to the fact that currently he is not working and he has his college bills... but I really believe that GNR community is not about making money for personal benefit. The money from the gnr.us and cd.com goes towards the bill of hosting plus a serious amount that goes out of our pockets each month...

and because you don't know me or my husband... be aware that I have done and offer many things to support the band, the forum and the gnr.us site... oh... also the greek forum that Christos is running when I made and paid for the lighters and for advertising his site at the biggest greek online community... and again for advertising the GNR concert in Athens ...

there is no personal benefit and whatever we do is for supporting our favorite band

and yes... we are clarifying things but I guess you lack of understanding... maybe it's time to get rid of your blinkers...

[blueheart]

Suddenly, we're clarifying a lot of things, aren't we?

it would be fair the forum to be hosted [on the tracker-dedicated server] so both Sean and Sladdi would have equal access as Sladdi's friend didn't want to give access to other person than him...

So it doesn't have to do with Sladdi being the mean, evil, power-hungry bastard - rather with his friend, who gives him a server for free and - understandably - doesn't want people he doesn't know to have access there.

he could had just move it at Sean?s server that it would be free.

Hmmm, a couple of posts ago you said it costs $200 a month. Interesting. But again, I don't own a webhosting company...

Technically neither does blueheart, she owns a reseller company. She doesn't really own the servers as far as I know, some other company does...

Personally, I don't own anything... BP has a dedicated server for his sites and pays a monthly fee to the data center that his server is located. That fee is 200$ per month and technically he can do whatever he wants with this server... He used to have a reselling account for simple hosting packages... he had that before getting the dedicated server and he wasn't happy with it (as I said before that kind of servers are unreliable). Reseller account are servers that have many sellers on it. That's not what Sean do... 

[jarmo]

The money from the gnr.us and cd.com goes towards the bill of hosting plus a serious amount that goes out of our pockets each month...

By hosting you mean the dedicated server you use for your hosting company that also hosts GNR.us sites, such as the tracker, as well as paying customers' sites?


I can understand that many hosts don't want to allow such thing on a shared server, but your posts are a bit misleading when you claim the server was purchased for the tracker alone. Just my opinion. 



/jarmo

[Lucky]

^I dont see what is that business of yours....
and this thread is about the forum, not the servers.

[jarmo]

^I dont see what is that business of yours....
and this thread is about the forum, not the servers.

She offered an explanation that I considered was misleading. That's all.

I don't care what they do with their money. But to say it went to a tracker alone when it appears to have gone to hosting multiple other sites as well, is misleading in my opinion.



By the way, the ads, servers and money wasn't something I brought up in the first place....




/jarmo

[Christos AG]

and because you don't know me or my husband... be aware that I have done and offer many things to support the band, the forum and the gnr.us site... oh... also the greek forum that Christos is running when I made and paid for the lighters and for advertising his site at the biggest greek online community... and again for advertising the GNR concert in Athens ...

Watching these board fights was fun for me until my name was mentioned for no particular reason.

No matter how much money I have spent on this band, I've never asked for anything in return. I spent it cause I feel that I owe my life to this band.

I'm not asking for any help, probably too proud or stupid to do it.

However, if someone wants to help, he/she is welcome to do it and I'm thankfull for it.

But don't use that help to get a tax return or justify anything else like some stupid forum fight.

Let's stop talking about that.

[blueheart]

The money from the gnr.us and cd.com goes towards the bill of hosting plus a serious amount that goes out of our pockets each month...

By hosting you mean the dedicated server you use for your hosting company that also hosts GNR.us sites, such as the tracker, as well as paying customers' sites?


I can understand that many hosts don't want to allow such thing on a shared server, but your posts are a bit misleading when you claim the server was purchased for the tracker alone. Just my opinion. 



/jarmo

I don't feel like I have to go to further explanations but I will answer your question.

The blueheartweb at first was made so Sean would have something to work on in Greece as for some months when he first moved here he couldn't find a job. It was really hard because he wasn't speaking Greek. By the time he finished implementing the blueheartweb site he started working for a company over here and never started promoting it. He tried though to host the tracker at the original account he had but unfortunately the tracker wasn't working right. When he decided to do all the upgrades to the tracker he had a chat with his host and decided to order that dedicated server only for the tracker. At this dedicated server currently is hosted the gnr.us network, the new cd.com and 2 gnr fan sites that each of them are paying 6 dollars per month. Sean has worked on many other websites in Greece for the company I work, for the company he works, for some other companies in Greece but only for the design. All these sites are hosted at local servers here in Greece.

so, Sean's dedicated server currently servers only his websites and 2 other gnr fansites. He also hosted for a while gnrontour when john needed help with his hosting...

[jarmo]

I appreciate the answer. 

Now it's a lot clearer and there's no misunderstanding or misleading info. 



/jarmo

[blueheart]

and because you don't know me or my husband... be aware that I have done and offer many things to support the band, the forum and the gnr.us site... oh... also the greek forum that Christos is running when I made and paid for the lighters and for advertising his site at the biggest greek online community... and again for advertising the GNR concert in Athens ...

Watching these board fights was fun for me until my name was mentioned for no particular reason.

No matter how much money I have spent on this band, I've never asked for anything in return. I spent it cause I feel that I owe my life to this band.

I'm not asking for any help, probably too proud or stupid to do it.

However, if someone wants to help, he/she is welcome to do it and I'm thankfull for it.

But don't use that help to get a tax return or justify anything else like some stupid forum fight.

Let's stop talking about that.

I've never mentioned online what I do or what anyone does with his own money until I read sladdi's message and I also never asked anything in return. I didn't say you asked help, sorry if I didn't make clear that I offered help as I wanted to support your site and the band. I didn't have this intention when I mentioned your name. I mentioned helping you as an example because you are one of the people that we personally know and you personally know us. 

I am really sad and tired with this story and I feel like I gave enough explanations.

[leatherebel]

Also, let me remind you some things from our last chat? Sean and I are almost never online the weekends. The thread you were talking about when you resigned from cd.com was moved back from another admin and not from Sean. Sean immediate deleted everything as soon as he was aware about what was happening. You don?t know him. You have never talked to him except from the times you were asking about more moderating rights? or should I say administrative rights as you had exactly the same rights with all the mods. There is also a proof that another admin asked you not to remove that thread ? yet ? that day? you had receive a pm that day? Sladdi also promised that was going to talk to you about that entire situation? I don?t know if he ever did.

You are mixing things up and confusing even yourself.
Yes, I asked BP for more moderating rights some time in Feb or March after I had asked him twice to remove me as a mod which he didn't want to do. As a mod on cd.com at the time I didn't have many right. I could not delete posts (yes, every time someone posted a stupid rumor or a link to a leak or asked for one I had to manually edit their posts - done it thousands of times), I could not delete threads (I could just move them to the admin section, from where they often were restored to the main section without even letting me know why), I could not give meaningful warnings to users let alone ban them, and I had absolutely no mod rights in other sections of the forum such as the Garden/Jungle/etc where users would eventually find their way to post links to leaks. So, I had to do alot of manual work to keep the main section of the forum clean from links to leaks, requests for such, baseless rumors, and bashing among users and of other forums. And every time I would work my way through cleaning up your house and politely asking users to stop posting or asking for leaks, there would be dozens of them telling me to fuck off, insulting me, and basically making fun of me. Well, in a situation like this, don't you think it's normal I either ask to resign or ask for more power so I can control your pesty users. BTW, nice forum culture you are nurturing over there.
In the end I got neither more mod power nor being removed as a mod. And of course, with my name on the page I couldn't just ignore what was going on in terms of rumors, leaks, and bashing. So, I kept cleaning up for at least 2 more months...until I'd had it.
The day that I quit, when the MSL leaks happened, I watched your board all night, doing the manual cleaning, and naively asking users to behave. And when they didn't, I did the only thing I could've done after I cleaned up the threads - I locked them. Yet Mr GoodMan BP could not let his precious board members be treated so harshly, so he unlocked all threads without even sending me a message, at least one thread with leaks that I had removed to the admin section was restored temporarily and of course at least one of the Jarmo-bashing threads was restored too...for whatever reason. You and BP were online that day/weekend/whatever. I have no way of knowing who restored the removed threads but it was him who unlocked all the locked ones. The incident that you refer to happened months before that when Madagascar leaked, if I remember correctly. I removed a thread with the leak seconds after it popped up and was asked by an admin very politely to leave it there for a couple of hours so enough people can grab it (notice that there was at least polite comminication here). A request that I honored only for about 30 minutes since I couldn't any longer. That was the only case I have ever cooperated in terms of being slow in removing leaks, rumors, or bashing. I was not proud of it.
I am not defending Sladdi here, though he did have tons more personality and humbleness than BP and communication with him was much easier. Just calrifying what you refered to.? As to your comment that I was after administrative power, it is just preposterous and you know it. I'm just a fan who has a completely unrelated job and a career, which I can't afford to neglect since I happen to live in one of the most expensive corners in the world. I was never after power and money in the GN'R community, unlike your husband. And neither you nor anyone else has any proof of the opposite. If I was, I would've started with a "fan" site, spreading leaks and "news" and then when attracting significant number of users, would've put ads and used fancy misleading language like BP's to convince users I'm their connection to the band in the gn'r community and they should do business through me. Or, at least I would've tried to move to help on another gn'r site.
I did realize it was a mistake to get involved with helping on any gn'r sites. It is an ungrateful job (as you have probably found out by now yourself) and if you have a pretty busy life, then it's really tough. So, yes, I do regret ever being a mod and I have never wanted to be one since then. Although, I have been approached by another gn'r board admin (not Jarmo if that's what you are thinking) to whom I respectfully declined.

[blueheart]

You are mixing things up and confusing even yourself. Yes, I asked BP for more moderating rights some time in Feb or March after I had asked him twice to remove me as a mod which he didn't want to do. As a mod on cd.com at the time I didn't have many right. I could not delete posts (yes, every time someone posted a stupid rumor or a link to a leak or asked for one I had to manually edit their posts - done it thousands of times), I could not delete threads (I could just move them to the admin section, from where they often were restored to the main section without even letting me know why), I could not give meaningful warnings to users let alone ban them, and I had absolutely no mod rights in other sections of the forum such as the Garden/Jungle/etc where users would eventually find their way to post links to leaks. So, I had to do alot of manual work to keep the main section of the forum clean from links to leaks, requests for such, baseless rumors, and bashing among users and of other forums. And every time I would work my way through cleaning up your house and politely asking users to stop posting or asking for leaks, there would be dozens of them telling me to fuck off, insulting me, and basically making fun of me. Well, in a situation like this, don't you think it's normal I either ask to resign or ask for more power so I can control your pesty users. BTW, nice forum culture you are nurturing over there.

Correct me if I am wrong but I think that sladdi was the one that set you up as moderator and not BP. As far as I remember you didn't ask him to remove you from moderator you asked him to make your name invisible (not highlighted) from the mods. You asked from the beginning to moderate the on tour section and they gave you rights to moderate the main gnr section as you were the only mod set from US and it would be good to have somebody moderating the forum on time that noone of us could be online due to the time difference between Europe and US. You didn't ask to moderate the jungle section and the garden has always been an uncensored section of cd.com. Despite that fact posts with illegal staff get removed. The bashing against moderators is very usual phenomenon, I got annoyed many times as well, until the things got out of control and Sean and Sladdi banned plenty of people for bashing the mods and for posting links to leaks.  A sticky topic was made in February at the gnr section... http://chinesedemocracy.com/forum/index.php/topic,24431.0.html and it has been moved lately at the support section. People will be always bashing against admins and mods, not only at cd.com, here too and to other forums as well. It's part of it. I' m sorry you felt like that, I felt it too, Sean and Sladdi the same, even Jarmo had several attacks at his forum. After a while I guess you are getting used not to be so sensitive.

In the end I got neither more mod power nor being removed as a mod. And of course, with my name on the page I couldn't just ignore what was going on in terms of rumors, leaks, and bashing. So, I kept cleaning up for at least 2 more months...until I'd had it.
The day that I quit, when the MSL leaks happened, I watched your board all night, doing the manual cleaning, and naively asking users to behave. And when they didn't, I did the only thing I could've done after I cleaned up the threads - I locked them. Yet Mr GoodMan BP could not let his precious board members be treated so harshly, so he unlocked all threads without even sending me a message, at least one thread with leaks that I had removed to the admin section was restored temporarily and of course at least one of the Jarmo-bashing threads was restored too...for whatever reason. You and BP were online that day/weekend/whatever. I have no way of knowing who restored the removed threads but it was him who unlocked all the locked ones. The incident that you refer to happened months before that when Madagascar leaked, if I remember correctly.

BP unlocked a thread that you had cleaned from every request and every link, put up a note that was saying Discussion only, no requests, no links, no pms, so people have the time to chat about the songs. Apologies for not letting you know that he was going to do that. Many people got banned cause of bashing at this thread and cause they were asking for pms, messages that were instantly removed. CD.com was never a site that liked censorship. Our members are allowed to say their opinions. Bashing and insults are not allowed though - except from the Garden section were the Jarmo thread was located - not restored. Thread with leaks was not restored. Except if you mean thread that was cleaned and moved back for discussion. No matter what, you were always attacking to Sean, without having any proof of who did what. And when I said that you wanted administrative rights I meant the banning module. The only people that could ban members (and move threads back from the admin section) were BP and Sladdi. Noone of the mods have the power to do that... also note that we changed from phpbb to smf back then and that reset all settings. We did have some issues with rights. I've read pm that Sean was telling you to be patient. Also sladdi was supposed to talk to you more about the rights but he never did.

I removed a thread with the leak seconds after it popped up and was asked by an admin very politely to leave it there for a couple of hours so enough people can grab it (notice that there was at least polite comminication here). A request that I honored only for about 30 minutes since I couldn't any longer. That was the only case I have ever cooperated in terms of being slow in removing leaks, rumors, or bashing. I was not proud of it.
I am not defending Sladdi here, though he did have tons more personality and humbleness than BP and communication with him was much easier. Just calrifying what you refered to.  As to your comment that I was after administrative power, it is just preposterous and you know it. I'm just a fan who has a completely unrelated job and a career, which I can't afford to neglect since I happen to live in one of the most expensive corners in the world. I was never after power and money in the GN'R community, unlike your husband. And neither you nor anyone else has any proof of the opposite. If I was, I would've started with a "fan" site, spreading leaks and "news" and then when attracting significant number of users, would've put ads and used fancy misleading language like BP's to convince users I'm their connection to the band in the gn'r community and they should do business through me. Or, at least I would've tried to move to help on another gn'r site.
I did realize it was a mistake to get involved with helping on any gn'r sites. It is an ungrateful job (as you have probably found out by now yourself) and if you have a pretty busy life, then it's really tough. So, yes, I do regret ever being a mod and I have never wanted to be one since then. Although, I have been approached by another gn'r board admin (not Jarmo if that's what you are thinking) to whom I respectfully declined.

Considering who asked you politely to keep a thread with leak you contradict yourself on many of the things you have posted against BP and the threads with the leaks. I am not going to defend BP's or sladdi's personality and communications skills but I do respect both of them. Maybe it was a bad time... Now regarding the money, you better my posts above to understand how wrong you are, as BP invests lots of money from his pocket in order to run his gnr sites. But I guess is so difficult for you to understand it... Concerning your job and where you live, believe me, WE HAVE to work and WE DO work plenty of hours every day, and we live in a Country that doesn't offer so many choices and opportunities. The gnr fan sites is something that we do because we love the band and its music and has nothing to do with personal benefit.

[leatherebel]

Blueheart, please, don't discuss other people's PMs in public.....please....
Do you realize how uncool that is?
I mean, you just demonstrated in the last couple of days that you wouldn't think twice about looking into other people's old PMs and make them public in order to defend yourself or to make a point. How would that make your forum users feel about trusting you? How about those that actually do business with you?

I am not saying Sladdi did not do things that I considered wrong and was disappointed about. The last one of those was that he never talked to me when I started showing discontent with what was going on on cd.com. I think I did send a message to him as well when I did to BP about the above mentioned. Sladdi never got back to me. BP did and he left me with the impression that everything is discussed between them, so I didn't bother copying Sladdi from then on. But my limited communication with BP turned out fruitless. I tried to understand about the template and stuff, but not fixing this for months made me lose my patience at some point. Plus other more specific things which I have discussed with you in the past.
I agree that it was not cool how I ended things by going in public. I was very affected at the time. I am not proud of that. And if you haven't noticed I never discussed the incident in public since then...until now that you provoked me.

You accuse me of always having an agenda against BP. While, I admit that I  never liked his "I'm the greatest attitude", you can't really accuse me making things up because I am not the only one who has had problems with BP. In fact I should be the least of his problems - I am nobody in the community. I mean, just take the other gn'r site admins: BP has had a history of problems with Eric, RainX, Jarmo, Sladdi, you name it.... Compared to me, all these people are celebrities in the gn'r community. And sadly, they'll probably all share my opinion. And, no, there is no conspiracy here - some of these guys I haven't even spoken to. And sadly again, you can't really say none of them knows BP as you always say this about me.

So, it is a pretty common belief in the community that BP has an ego and an integrity problem. My humble suggestion is that he works on it and try to make things better in the long run.

I don't understand why you don't let him do the talking. Why are you doing it? You've never been accused of anything as far as I remember. Not by me at least. In fact, I compliment you on your looks every chance I get. Not only do you never return the favor, but you also don't even say "thank you". How nice.

I appologize for my comment regarding "the place where I live". I now realize it was in poor taste - I agree, making a living can be tough anywhere in the world. My point was more that you are not forced by anyone to spend money and time on your fan sites. It is admirable that you are doing it, but just because you are, doesn't entitle you to any benefits and respect in the community regardless of how much money it costs you. BP has always acted as if he is indeed entitled to that.

[blueheart]

Blueheart, please, don't discuss other people's PMs in public.....please....
Do you realize how uncool that is?
I mean, you just demonstrated in the last couple of days that you wouldn't think twice about looking into other people's old PMs and make them public in order to defend yourself or to make a point. How would that make your forum users feel about trusting you? How about those that actually do business with you?

I never said that I went through other people's PMs. That's impossible anyway as each password is highly encrypted. Even if you lose it you are the only one that can reset it. Don't make it sound like something else of what I said. I said I read BP's pm because it happens to share the same computer at home and because we had lots of discussion about this matter as I always supported your effort and work at the forum back then. I also mentioned a message that was sent to you because I was told so...

I am not saying Sladdi did not do things that I considered wrong and was disappointed about. The last one of those was that he never talked to me when I started showing discontent with what was going on on cd.com. I think I did send a message to him as well when I did to BP about the above mentioned. Sladdi never got back to me. BP did and he left me with the impression that everything is discussed between them, so I didn't bother copying Sladdi from then on. But my limited communication with BP turned out fruitless. I tried to understand about the template and stuff, but not fixing this for months made me lose my patience at some point. Plus other more specific things which I have discussed with you in the past.
I agree that it was not cool how I ended things by going in public. I was very affected at the time. I am not proud of that. And if you haven't noticed I never discussed the incident in public since then...until now that you provoked me.

I guess due to the latest facts you can understand that BP couldn't work on the template as he didn't have access to the server that the forum was hosted. So he was telling you that things were in progress, and that was the truth.

You accuse me of always having an agenda against BP. While, I admit that I  never liked his "I'm the greatest attitude", you can't really accuse me making things up because I am not the only one who has had problems with BP. In fact I should be the least of his problems - I am nobody in the community. I mean, just take the other gn'r site admins: BP has had a history of problems with Eric, RainX, Jarmo, Sladdi, you name it.... Compared to me, all these people are celebrities in the gn'r community. And sadly, they'll probably all share my opinion. And, no, there is no conspiracy here - some of these guys I haven't even spoken to. And sadly again, you can't really say none of them knows BP as you always say this about me.

So, it is a pretty common belief in the community that BP has an ego and an integrity problem. My humble suggestion is that he works on it and try to make things better in the long run.

At our last communication, if you remember the emails we exchanged, I explained to you many things. Each person has each own personality. BP might makes you thing he as big ego. That's your opinion and it's fine. You also say he had problems with some other people... BP never had anything against you and he was really disappointed when you accused him that night for things he didn't do. These things were things you thought he did. I spent much time back then talking with you. If he had anything against you except that, believe me I wouldn't been bothered. Excuse me for not knowing who RainX is. BP also has no problem with Jarmo. We all met previous summer. He does appreciate his work on the forum. He did make a sticky post for being against Jarmo's bashing. He did ban people when things got out of control. We also wouldn't mind to meet with him again in the future and why not... may have a beer too (lol). At the end please do not mention sladdi, because sladdi for Sean and me means a lot, he is not just a person on the gnr community.   I believe that there was lots of pressure and things got out of control. It wasn't exactly a good reaction to shut down the forum without Sean's approval. They both owned it. They both run it. 

I don't understand why you don't let him do the talking. Why are you doing it? You've never been accused of anything as far as I remember. Not by me at least. In fact, I compliment you on your looks every chance I get. Not only do you never return the favor, but you also don't even say "thank you". How nice.

He will say what he has to say as soon as he finds the time. I don't think he can right now as he stayed awake for more 3 days and was working (at his real work lol) 14 hours yesterday and 14 today...  As for the comment, I really thank you. Sorry for not returning the favor before but I am really under lots of pressure the last days.

I appologize for my comment regarding "the place where I live". I now realize it was in poor taste - I agree, making a living can be tough anywhere in the world. My point was more that you are not forced by anyone to spend money and time on your fan sites. It is admirable that you are doing it, but just because you are, doesn't entitle you to any benefits and respect in the community regardless of how much money it costs you. BP has always acted as if he is indeed entitled to that.

there is no need to apologize for the comment "the place where I live". But it would be nice to try to understand that BP is not exactly "all about the money" as you stated before. He does spend money and time because he wants to and never acted like he is entitled to. However, people, including you, can see it however they want.

[AdZ]

Wow, you guys are fucking freaks.

[Lucky]

^wise words from a wise man

[mrbucketfoot]

Just a personal opinion here, but the whole forum split thing is completely ludicrous.

As a GNR Community we had the established MyGNR, HTGTH, and the CD.com forum. Three "main" sites, each with different advantages and fanbases.

The whole split isn't good for the Community and quite discouraging really. Sure we all need to make a honest buck, but at the cost of what? Both forums have the exact same content on them at the moment. Which doesn't make sense from any standpoint. It's child-like stubbornness at it's best.

The quote from Rock In Rio 3 "unlike Oasis...." would be fitting if you had a huge rock band that was in the process of being reinvented with amazingly talented players, but you aren't. You are some guys and gals who know a bit of HTML code and know your general way around Photoshop. You have a website. A delicate trust, a young marriage. The forum wasn't even that mature. You had a lot you could add to offer your members, but no, you had to cut your resources in two.You aren't Axl Rose, in short. Sladdi will always be a better webmaster, graphic designer, and all of the above than BP and Blueheart. Except for they have the server/hosting skills that Sladdi probably is a little weak on, so it makes sense.

And it would be one thing if either BP/Blueheart/Sladdi were huge posters like Jarmo on this board. I've been on your boards and you don't do shit. Sure you do some behind the scenes stuff, but as far as posting? Forget about it. It's nothing really of substance. We don't listen to you or think your posts are highly credible or add something awesome to the community. The old CD.com forum was made by your members generating discussion about the band that they loved. And sure, some chose to heed Axl's advice to "see you again later", but splitting up a forum that was already on the decline? Smart fucking move. Makes so much sense. Now individuals like me, friends, and everyone who ever used those forums are either going to post in Sladdi's or BP/Blueheart's. Good job cutting your visits in half. Again, smart move, less ad money for you.

And gunsnroses.us isn't a good website. It tries way too hard to be hot shit and fails. There's no continuity of design in either of the sites anymore. NewGNR is still going to be doing well, it's well made and maintained. Some great content on there. But the online community was never really that special. So, in the end you need each other.

If you decide to be stubborn dicks, be my guest, I'm fine here on this forum. And if you don't like it here, theres MyGNR. As GNR fans, we'll be fine without you.

Just some thoughts.

[spaghetti_incident]

Is the fight over because now I get just one site again.

[cotis]

no, the layouts just the same. or at least thats how it appears to me.