Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Ok, so what I wanna know is, what the fuck are (some of) you guys thinking?


It seems like there are small groups of fans (who happen to collect bootlegs), who do nothing more than whine about other(s).

Why do you collect bootlegs? Is it a competition to have the most stuff that nobody else has? When did these groups form?

All I know is that everybody hates people who sell bootlegs. But after that I'm lost.


Somebody who's into this bootleg trading, please help me understand. I don't get this childish behaviour I see daily in the section dedicated to fucking bootleg trading/collecting. Lots of stupid fights between certain people.... It's fucking pointless.






/jarmo

I see people hate me,so i give them reasons to hate me,they started without me making them hate me,just couse i have,they dont,so now i DO  give reasons,and now they are fine with fighting me,i guess.
Thats it,if u think on my case on this or other forums.

I wish i knew all ive ever wanted to do is get things out there ive sent loads of stuff for free more than ive ever got back but i dont bitch and moan if something is Mp3 and not flac or whatever but thats me im just glad to hear and see the stuff my only problem ive had with people has been them not knowing when they are constantly asking for too much.

I just want to collect the shows and i want everything out on free trade eventually but that will never happen

there are some people who have to cover their fucked up ego over the fact that they might have something that others don't have.
it's like people with small dicks buying a red ferrari.
that's just stupid behaviour. and nobody hates btd. he just thinks we do, so he can feel like a bad ass he wants to be,which is pathetic.
we just think he's a sad person that he has to brag with his shit, about which noone gives a shit anyway...

Trading is supposed to be free and fun! Spreading it around so everyone gets a little taste.

Now when some people don't get what they want they bitch and complain, and others that have the stuff laugh at them and rub it in their face, making the problems much worse.

Now I agree with anythinggoes that everything should be out on free trade, for ANYONE to access. But knowing the people in this world, that'll never happen.

I just wish there was more respect. I am on many other trading forums and mostly there is big respect for tapers/sharers.

People need to quit moaning and just chill out, respect each other and do what we are all here for: trading and collecting GNR boots.

 :beer:

So
u cant make your neighbour give u his audio cd,if he doesnt want,but u want me to give u my dvd?
Lmao.
Go,get it yourself,its there...

I feel the same way. ?I'm doing a vine for a collection of over 300 concerts and will get nothing in return (there isn't much available to give me, but at least I'm fair). ?That pissed off a lot of people and was said to "destroy GNR trading forever" - which I hope it does. ?Everything should be free and readily available to people that want it. Anyone that was making money on trading or being a dick to the "little collectors" deserves this kind of setback. ?:peace:

the number 1 reason people hate people in gnr trading hoarding it has nothing at all to do with mp3 or flac it is mostly hoarding.

people co,me out say i got this that everything . put it out or do not say u got it period btd u are noted for it

yes i said i got a 3rd vrsion of hammer 5,15 audio on cd it is not nothing no one is missing i put 2 sets out already sounds the same

And dont forget you are trader aswell. :peace:

what does a trader have to do with it i put everything out i do not go on a forum and put restrictions on d/ling or if u are on this forum or that 1 u can not get it. i do not belong to a click that  only trades to a certin few now i put out for all

First of all, I hope you can understand my english. I will try my best. It would be easier for me in spanish, but no-one would understand me.

Collecting bootlegs is a way of having fun. I do this for fun. I love listening to GNR live performances, I do it all the time, and I want to have all that is around just because I love how the band sounds and I enjoy listening to them.

There are a lot more in my same position. Internet is the best way to get bootlegs. It's free, it's fast, and you can find what you want in a couple of minutes. I think we should help each other to get the kind of stuff we enjoy. I DO listen to my bootlegs, I DO enjoy them. I dont download them just for putting them on a crappy free internet website. I do not collect stuff to feed my ego. I do not collect bootlegs to be ''famous''.

Some people think that this is a competition. Some sad losers think that his is a war, a war where the goal is having things that the rest dont have. I cant understand this, I mean... we are talking about ''virtual'' stuff. We are talking about digital media, not petrol reserves or possesions like houses or cars. There is not an ''GNR Bootleg Ranking'' where the n?1 gets a prize just for being the biggest collector. This is simply a portion of our lives, a very small portion of it. The real life, the side of life that matters, is family, friends, college, work, love, etc. This is a hobby, like playing Playstation or collecting stamps or any other insignificant thing.

People like Born To Die are the real cancer of this community. He enjoys finding out that all the efforts of one guy end in a lossy copy of a goddamn concert. He feels great for having more than the rest, forgetting that he got all his stuff from nice people who shared their stuff for free, just for giving us the chance to feel the same nice feeling of listening to GNR live than they feel. His attitude makes other people to act like him, and what is supossed to be fun, turns into an speculative sad strategy to reach the ridiculous goal of being ''king of bootlegs''.

I would love to have the chance of getting an ultra rare show, and being able to share it almost instantly for free. I would love to give back to GNR community what it gave to me. But collecting bootlegs is just ONE LITTLE portion of my life. I do not need to increase my ego with digital audio/video. If you base your whole life in collecting bootlegs, you must be a very very sad and lonely person.

Just my two cents.

PD: BTW, look at BTD's first post. He is, again and again and again and again, turning this into a ''talk about me'' thread. I cant understand how some persons enjoy being insulted. They need atention, no matter what.

let me put it this way, i do not care if u are the well liked guy here or the well hatted guy here, put everything out for all as everyone one says this stuff should be shared freely not hoarded so lets all shape up start sharing freely no bitching no complaining just do ?be a man or a women and just do it enjoy the shit do not hide it

I'm in it because I like music, and music's able to get me though anything n' everything. It's better then doing a lot of cocaine to get out of a slump, been there done that. Music frees my inner mind most of the time.

Yup, agreed.

I do think that trading a recording first should not be called 'hoarding'. As long as you have intention of releasing it, it's not hoarding.

As you know, I'm trading my recording first, then sharing with everyone else in a few weeks. Thats not hoarding and I think other traders know this too.

But saying you have something but not even sharing at all is hoarding.

Anyways, I've said my response in my previous post so I won't post again.

I absolutely agree with estebanf and timebomb. most people collect bootleg just because they love the band and they want to watch/hear live stuff. then there are some more groups. some people sell bootlegs, these are cunts because filmers of bootlegs want to share, trade or hoard stuff, but never see their work being sold. then there are some pure-traders who hate free sharing (I have no idea why, maybe they're trying to keep the value of bootlegs for longer time). then there are hoarders, these keep "rare" stuff and trying to get more "rare" stuff. I'm not the right one to judge this behaviour. and then there are regular people like me, estebanf, timebomb and most of the rest of people in this section. they just want to enjoy stuff and want to get them from torrent for free - that's logical, not everyone has money to start trading.

again, I'm not the right person to judge everything around trading community, because it's not that simple as it may look. bootlegs should be shared and traded for free, but people who film shows or do remastering and authoring may need something to reward, and it goes on...

anyway, my target, as most of people, is to get most bootlegs possible, to watch them or to use them for further trading. I'm gonna share the fuck of my bootlegs, I'm constantly sharing via torrents anything I can and people need. I'm the only remaining active operator at newgnr DC hub and I'm sharing what I can and I help people to get new stuff. damn it's very sad that some people in GNR bootleg community are not quite nice guys.

this board, HTGTH site, cd.com board and some more places brought me to start collecting bootlegs but there are so many fucking obstacles one has to pass through, you always find someone who's just fucking with you. but I swear I'm going to help people just other people helped me in the past. that's the way to do it.

hmmm the more I write, the less sense it gives so that's all from me for now.

wow... finally..

I'm 'in this business' ( ;) no, no real business, never made ANY profit out of it... ;) ) for I don't know how many years... and actually stopped trading a while ago. I did have this addictive thing that wanted me to have like ALL available shows, and damn, do I have some BAD audio and video stuff...  Never really got into this 'upgrade-to-B-sound' hype, although I can understand it completely. I think I got 5/6 of my collection out of trades years ago, and it was a fun thing to do. I mean, getting mail and messages from all over the world was nice...
Now the whole downloading era made it even easier to collect, and I think it's cool of people to share everything they have. The ones who don't do that, well... as said before it's their own right not to do so, and there's noone who can change that I guess. Try and deal with that.

But, and I've said this before, the main thing is (and I believe Jarmo was totally right when he asked for an explanation), it shouldn't be overexaggerated. All this "childish behaviour" is turning into a soap opera with annual cast changes (and no, I ain't gonna give you a summary ;)).  I mean, damn, just enjoy this hobby, listen to good music, go find more bootlegs out there, jerk off watching your collection (:P and no, I've never done that... It'll ruin my covers... ;)), whatever, but just ENJOY it! And, try not to forget, that it is this hobby that made both Axl & VR decide not to play any new songs that isn't out there...

remco

PS: I'm proud of you people, the fighting is minimal in this topic!  :peace:

one question:

whos this John M. i keep hearing about? maybe hes the reason for all this hoarding and people bitching and stuff.

hehe, he's one of the old cast! ;)

no, I believe John's cool, check out his site: www.gnrontour.com/jm78

He runs gnrontour.com and some gnr dvd guide side... apparently hes the "kind of gnr trading". hes like a god or soemthing haha... he must feel pretty damn special. ::) anyway aparently he used to sell but now thinks its wrong or something like that.. and apparently has a lot of unreleased shows.. i think alot of the serious traders dont like him, thats what ive heard atleast

yes, and he's author of the best quality DVD bootlegs even available, if you get something authored by JohnM, you can be sure it's the best you can get. well, in most cases ;D

So this guys the king of the gnr geeks? fantastic. someone sleep with him and steal all his bootlegs :nervous:

oh, ok, just to clear things... I didn't mean to put John in a bad spot. I only meant all the bitching (about him and many, MANY others) made this turn into a 'soap opera'...

no offence, to anyone.

probably JohnM hoards a lot of stuff, who knows, but I can tell you all that the best stuff I have from Guns N' Roses is his material.

Some people are very ingrate. I've read very bad things about JM, GNROSAS, Limulus, but their stuff are the best things I have in my collection.

i think you have the best signature in heretoday..gonetohell..? :hihi:

but yeah ive heard john m's stuff.. very sweet.

Just my 2 cents on this matter..

I started collecting boottlegs about 12 years ago but more systematically about 4-5 years ago.

In My opinion these are the main reasons that all this bitching is happening...

- A lot of traders want every show taped on earth released for free to the fans!!!
- A lot of traders who are not able to trade for a show start calling names & insulting other traders.

It would be great everything to be able to be shared for free.
That could have happened if taping was "legal", Didn't cost money to tape, More fans started taping shows and all tapers wanted to share.

In reality Taping:
- involves risk of being thrown out of the concert and damaging your expensive equipment
- makes you lose the excitement of watching your favorite band as you try to tape against all odds
- costs $$$ to tape.
- is "illegal"
- Only few people tape.


When you Tape a show you are on your own sweating and worrying not to get caught while the other 30.000 fans have the best moments of their life...
Then you come back home and a lot of lovely traders in these forums are suddenly your "good" buddies and want your tapes...If you ask for something in return (either $$ to cover your costs or other films to trade) suddenly they start to call you names (Hoarder), insulting you and DEMAND everything to be released for free cause they are fans and they cannot trade for it.

In my opinion

- It is really bad to DEMAND private films to be realeased as if it is your right to obtain them for free as you are fans (but not tapers).
- It looks really bad to bash the few tapers...The more you bash the less they will want to release their films...Just give more respect to tapers & authorers and be gratefull that they managed to film/obtain a show cause there is a chance it may end up in your hands....

Don't bite the hands that feed....Instead go tape a show :)

Gnrosas,awsome post,but i doubt they can really read it ,becaouse they are to deep in their own sh%t right now :rofl:

on gnrosas stand point he is right in alot of ways but also wrong' see i tried to do what he did with my cd set i got screwed on it but it is ok for him told his stuff back trade for rare ect but if i try i get bash? screwed ect is that fair no but it happened.? ? ? ? ? ? ? enough on that

now on the point of releasing shuff free i do more than most.

now when it comes to sharing gnr audio there is no one like me
i was the one on the pct to share all 85-90audio
i am the one that put out all audio 85-2002 and some 2006

i am the one that buys the shit shares freely all the stuff but 1 set so far

here is a list that i bought since janurary shared freely

GUNS N' ROSES / DAYS OF DESTRUCTION
GUNS N' ROSES / THE DONINGTON MICPAD MASSACRE where it was miss read in a trade or not i put out
GUNS N' ROSES / RETURN TO THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE? will come out
GUNS N' ROSES / ?? VERSION 1.01 alot of demoes and real stuff can not be shared htgh
GUNS N' ROSES / NO SLEEP 'TIL HAMMERSMITH
GUNS N' ROSES / CITY OF ILLUSION
GUNS N' ROSES / Mountain Rock
GUNS N' ROSES / Rock In Rio Lisoboa 2006 tv broadcast
GUNS N' ROSES / Mountain Rock II
GUNS N' ROSES / HAMMERSTEIN BALLROOM 2006
GUNS N' ROSES - WATCH YOU BLEED
GUNS N' ROSES / LONDON CALLING
GUNS N' ROSES / USE YOUR ILLUSION OUTTAKES "2nd Edition Plus"
GUNS N'ROSES / LEAKED DEMOCRACY
GUNS N' ROSES / TOO BAD YOU'RE FUCKED UP
GUNS N' ROSES / PICTURE YOURSELF IN SAN DIEGO
GUNS N' ROSES / DEEP DOWN INSIDE
GUNS N'ROSES / SELF DESTRUCT ERA = ACES HIGH presentsAt NAKANO SUN PLAZA COMPLETE & NEW REMASTERED EDITION
GUNS N' ROSES / DEAD FLOWERS
GUNS N' ROSES / ANOTHER MARQUEE TAPE
GUNS N' ROSES / VIVID ILLUSION
GUNS N' ROSES / ACCIDENTIAL FxxKIN' DISCHARGE A.F.D. NORTH AMERICAN TOUR 1988
GUNS N' ROSES / SPANISH HARLEM

i bought it all i mean all released it all but the few that i can not share here i will upload the hammer i changed my mind just to show that i do release everything give me 2 days off from upping is all


also i wanted to add if they did not get it from me if u traced the cdr's u got that are john m cd sets u go back where everyone got them some from me some threw others from me but  also if they got it from john m or a person john m tradeed to it was because of me in 1999 2000 2001 buying from john m he put all his cass tapes on cdr because of me.

I understand that. Even sending some updates with a phone takes away your attention from the show...

But then the question is, why do you tape a show? For your own enjoyment, you want to document an event or because you want to share something cool with fellow fans?



I also understand why some fans collect bootlegs, they love the music.


The only thing that puzzles me is the stupid fighting.



/jarmo

stop the hoarding all together the fighting would end if all shared everything they had i mean everything hands down. there would be no bitch. if it is audio well if u share put in flac first then mp3 for those that like that. dvd for those that like that same with divx or vcd

nice idea but you never make things like this, some people just want to keep stuff for themselves. I understand when someone keeps stuff for some time, it's absolutely legit because they try to get more stuff out through trading. but I don't understand why people hoard stuff - yes, hoarding is the name for people like the one who has for example VMA 2002 rehearsals - he won't trade it, he won't sell it. so what's the point of this behaviour? ???

not sure, probably money still is something that drives filmers or "keepers of the vault" ;)

this guy was offered pretty huge sums of money, he denied. he would have sold it because it's losing its value now with 2006 stuff coming. I don't understand it

hey jarmo, here's what i think on the "fight" about bootlegs..

First of all, There's certain people here who loves to demand uploads. Have you ever read post like: "upload xx-xx-06" or something, sometimes they dont even say thanks. Now, other people complain for not having what others have.  When these poeple who have a lot of shows say that they have it, all who dont get access to this show start to complain bad. They go insult people for not sharing. Take some south american people, for example, they dont have, lets say, lot of resources or ways to get some dvds, so, next thing you know, they sell, they leech, etc et,, so if they know theres something out there, and cant get it, they get mad. For no reason, when its not anyone's fault that they cant get this shows.  There's a lot of envy on this site, and in certain people hating a few like BTD and GNROSAS and John M. If we talk about certain people, John M and gnrosas and i think timebomb and others, they actually go and tape shows audio or video, then its up to them to release or not their stuff. Also thats another reason why some people go like: Ok, i would prefer i havent known about this.  People like me who have never been to a gnr show in my entire life all we have its the bootlegs, but i cant force people to give me what i want, its a little stupid dont you think? ,, i believe that the only reason of bootlegs existence (spl?) is people's good will. And people can insult each other and call names to certain people, but thats not gettin them any closer to what they want.

I guess I don't understand it either. If someone has something "rare" but has no intentions sharing it, then don't even bring it up, and no one will have anything to bitch about. For me personally, I only download a couple of the best sounding shows from each tour. Most of the bootlegs out there just don't sound very good. The only shows I REALLY want, are the ones that I've been too, and I got 3 out of 4, but it's not gonna piss me off if I never get the the 4th one. Even if one day someone claims to have it, and won't share it, I have no reason to get mad. I have other things in life to worry about, lol a concert from 2001 isn't gonna cause me to loose any sleep. I also have a lot of respect for the original tapers as well. They put a lot of effort into getting a recording, they take a lot more risks than I'll ever be willing to take at a Gn'R show. And I hope that someone wil take those risks and tape the upcoming Vegas shows, but if not, oh darn, I think I'll live. Ok, I am done, see you all in Vegas!

i guess it`s about the money and about being the only person who has something....

the first problem is one that can be solved... the second one unfortunately not...


it`s expensive and hard work to record a show, it`s also expensive to buy a bootleg somewhere, so i understand why people who do that don`t want to share it for free without getting their money back or even making a little profit....

i guess the best thing to do is posting a paypal link right next to the download link....  do you remember when darknemus (was it him?) bought off the hammerstein dvds from ebay?  it worked fine like that...

The question is: why do people film shows? It would be stupid just to film shows for yourself. Cause otherwise you could just enjoy the show. People who film shows are part of the trading community and want to keep the community alive.
I've only filmed one show until now (graspop) and i will share it freely on pctracker. I could keep it for trades so i can expand my collection, but i think it should be a give n' take. ?If every filmer would act like this, there would be no bitching and shit.

People should stop being concerned about themselves so much and start enjoying the fun of collecting and sharing bootlegs.
Just because filming means risk you wanna keep it for yourself? That doesn't make much sense to me.
Why do people in the U2 community obviously not think like this?

So get everything out there and keep the community alive

fuck all the hoarding and special trades shit. it's lame

For the record, I don't think collecting bootlegs is sad.

It's just sad to see what's happening in this section on a daily basis.

I'm trying to figure out why some of you keep fighting.





/jarmo

1 reason why I think a lot of people say shit back to one another here is they either have nothing better to do and are bored(so as to have something to do) or they just generally just like to talk shit, it's just how some people are, sad may it be, but it's just in some people's nature

as for the whole hoarding and trading shit, I won't even bother to get into the topic as it has been debated upon way to much in the past and the shit should just be dropped, people that hoard shit aren't gonna release anything because A. they are obviously hoarding what they have and B. becuase some of them just like to listen to many of you fight amongst yourselves over the shit. People like to trade shit in order to get other shit they don't have, I myself tade GNR bootlegs quite often in order to get new shit that I don't have already, regardless of what it is I have and shit, I just love to listen/watch shit from my fav band regardless of how "rare" it may be, who cares, that doesn't make listening to the show any better does it? a lot of this shit just doesn't make sense at all. And hey I will admit that back when I was trying to get the last few audio shows that I needed I kept a few of the so called "rarer" shows to myself initially in order to get the last few, but once I got all the audio, what sense is there to just keep it all for myself, I'm not gonna be able to get anything else with trading, so I created a forum(that is no longer around due to problems) and shared everything that I had with anyone that joined the forum.

Also, I agree with some points GNROSAS made about the tapers, they go to a show and miss out on enjoying it by having to watch out for security and shit and make sure they do a decent job of taping the show, so they should get more recognition and should get a little payback for taping, as he said it does cost to tape shows...

I think 90% of the problem is the attitude from one poster in particular.   Get rid of him, there wouldn't be as many problems.   I don't think I need to say who I'm  talking about.

when i tape a show( it's been awhile since i have), i'm doing it for my own private collection. it's like a souvenir for me. i have no problem sharing anything i get, and if i don't want to share i don't tell anyone i've got it.

i've paid for bootlegs before, and have no problem doing so. I know how much of a pain in the ass it is to capture a show. I've been caught a few times. i've been escorted out of a couple of venues, while others were cool, and just made me put the cam away.

i do hope to capture a guns n roses show this tour, but chances of it happening are slim. i do want to enjoy the show, and not have to worry about getting thrown out.

SINCE WE ARE TALKING HOARDERS LETS TALK SCOTT HOPKINS WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE AN UNAIRED MTV 90 MINUTE INTERVIEW WITH AXL ROSE AND KURT LODER FROM 1992 IN THE LIMOUSINE AND aCOUNTLESS OTHER ARE GNR MTV STUFF AND WILL ONLY SELL IT FOR 1 THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so get 1000 fans to pay $1 each

$1,000 per item or $1,000 for the set? I'd pay for it if I could find the guy.

 I second that. I'd pay $2. If everyone paid $2 then you'd only need 500 people.  :rofl:

I'd paid $20 and im sure theres a fair amount on here that would do the same, but if the money was in front of whoever has it, the answer would probably be no :-\

You think so? $1000 is alot of money, my bet says he would say yes, ....I would.

just one thousand?! we can buy the VMA rehearsals, son.

the guy is on this board..his name is velvet something....set it up..hes in california

i would chip in 10 or 20 bucks to the cause.

I WOULD AS WELL BUT THEN U GOT THESE PEOPLE THAT WOULD SAY WELL I PAID FOR IT I WANT THE MASTER.

Show him to me, I'll buy it.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=6718

Thanks. I wrote him - we'll see what happens.

99,9% no but u never know

I'm guessing that you're right, but hoping that you're wrong.  :peace:

If people where just so fanatic in recording shows as they fight against eachother here then we could see the 2006 shows in 5 cam mixes with good audio from every show of the europian tour...but no,the only thing here is have no respect for recording people..

Only thing i can say is go to the paradisecitytracker.com and download everything for free we are gonna share everything and for free..there are some people that havent a acount there ...but we are changeing it. you can get an account easyer and faster now..there also are some that are blocked there that has his reasons.

I was just thinking:
In 20 years most of the people here are in their 40-50's, and all of the good (and unsurfaced) shows will be long forgotten and packed down in a box, if not thrown away....

I used to think: Cool to have shows that others dont have, cool to have the rareties, cool to have somthing to "trade for".
Now I dont really care anymore, I'm just glad people take interest in Gn'R....

The whole selling thing I dont feel much about though.
I just saw this guy in Norway that sold lots of stuff on a Norwegian auction site. I emailed him, and he sent me his list. Just all of the shows I already have, in dvdr. He sold them for between 20-40 $, and he said he had gotten tons of responses, and sold lots of them.

Now thats just BS, but what can we do about it. He told me he had been "taken off" the site bacause it was illegal, but still he got tons of requests and emails about the shows, making lots of money.

-Eirik

Yep this topic really explains all of it.
You should just close the forum and start a new one.
I suggest flower arrangement!
I long to see the fights about that.

I'm off to bed.
Maybe dream about it.

Johan
http://www.dvd.gnr.gr
thats for EFISH

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I collect bootlegs because the best band in the world never released a live album. Yes, I am talking about Guns n' Roses.

"Live Like a Suicide" (the "A side" of GN'R Lies) is not a live album. That "live sound" is crowd noise over studio songs. Period;

"Live Era 87-93" is not a live album. Maybe an "instrumental" live album, but not a live album. Axl re-recorded the vocals on studio for pretty much all tracks.

So what do you do after you get exposed to "Ritz 1988" and "Indiana 1991" and "Rio 1991" and you find that somebody out there released CDs containing that very fantastic live music?

I buy it.

I am an unhappy fan. Happy are the Pearl Jam fans. Just check their "live" catalog.

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Firstly, I totally appreciate the stand that HTGTH has taken regarding the selling of bootleg material. It was decided that this isn't the place. Being a member of the forum that should be respected.

What I can't understand is the people who stop others from buying material for their collection which is available elsewhere, I use ebay for example. I purchased alot of items from ebay in order to be able to commence TRADING with others. Before I am hammered by those hoarders, I know its illegal to seel bootlegs on ebay, but so is taping the stuff in the first place. You can't have one rule for one and one for another.

Now I see that one or two people for what I see no other reason but to hoard their 'exclusive' material report sellers to ebay and listings are removed. Collecting has always been the same for whatever you collect you want the biggest and best collection. You want to be the one that completes the football sticker album before anyone else....Its ok for 10 year olds, but for heavens sake.... We are all fan's let's have alittle community spirit and freely share.

Keep em under your wheels.........

It's just sad that the GN'R trading community fight so much and there seems to be so much resentment because of the hoarding that seems to happen.

I don't get it.. life is short.. why not share everything and make the most of the enjoyment while we can and while we are all so into GN'R.. why go through life keeping something to yourself.. is it going to make you feel any more important and special? Is it really going to matter when you are old are nobody really gives a fuck anymore? Let's just start sharing.. it only takes one person to put what they have out there and hopefully more will follow  : ok: Let's end the hoarding and let past arguements etc. stay behind us and move on.. like GN'R in 2006  ;)

By the way that guy is Velvet1223. His name is Scott Hopkins and he's for fucking real. He sent me screenshots of all (i think) all of his GNR stuff that nobody has. It's all of the old band by the way apart from the VMA rehearsals. If he wants ?1000 for that collection and 500 fans put $2 towards it then why not, go for it!

This is the guy that accidentally leaked CBGBs proshot btw.
Basically anything that ever aired on MTV he will have. Possibly a Ritz master, who knows?

let's make a list of people then who would be willing to chip in. what rare stuff does he have? besides rehearsals

I'd give money if I had any :-\ instead I can just offer sharing anything I have. sorry I can't participate in anything that needs money :(

Man e-mail him or something, he sent soo many screenshots.

Like i said almost anything that was ever on MTV.

I just have a question as to why someone would pay so much money for the 2002 VMA rehearsals.  That was a bad performance for GNR, I can't imagine the rehearsals would be any better.  Is it because you guys just must have it at any cost even though it was when Axl was not at the top of his game as he is now?  Not looking for a fight, just looking for the reasoning that someone would want this besides the fact that it's rare.

I don't want it at all, agreed, worst Axl performance ever apart from the first 30 secs. What i want is the old stuff .ie when GNR was GNR.

I dont understand that from vmas...i have the original 18 dollar from mtv usa..they send it by airmail...its an original dual layer..

They send you what? A copy of the show?

the compleet original show with the compleet gnr performence..original mtv usa.we bought it there.(vmas 2002) no problem at all  ;D : ok:

Oh, that's not what is being discussed.  They are talking about the rehearsals for that.  I hope I never have to see any GNR performance of the likes of VMA 2002 again.  That made me cry, and not a good cry.

i have that vma dvd from mtv too. it sucks. lots of cuts in it

sorry but mine dont sucks and i think that that performence isent so bad at all...Axl has his problems with hearing himself in his ear but things like this and moment like this are normal in a live show...time was to short to make it good but there are also good moments in this performence.its nice to see he is human and has his bad moments..it was a kind of a gamble to show up here and they diddent win but sometimes you must give it a try.in 1988 Axl did wttj and it went to a hit..my thoughts wre that they gonna try it again tonight at vmas before the usa gigs started and then directly bring on chinese democracy.i thought it was a kind of way in usa that you bring out a cd there while you begin to tour there.people who wanted that "orig" vma disc dual layer: send me a dual layer and anough stamps to send it back and i will burn them for free for you.only replying on emails no pms (to much sites to check that)good show tonight!

we're talking about this:

http://chinesedemocracy.com/viewtopic.php?t=7905
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=30299.0
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=32827.0
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=23237.0
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=22124.0

ok sorry, i have only that normal mtv clip of the rehearsels

I'm not trying to be awkward but if/when these rehearsals are finally available, it'll probably be a big let-down because people want them so much and will expect more.

Never saw a pic of Buckethead without the bucket, wow!

so, maybe now you know better ;)

Never doubted but I do have to admit now I am curious after seeing the pics, haha

But for 1000 I will stay curious

Apparently, this is him in 1989:

Edit: Pic removed. /jarmo

I dont think youre allowed to post that here. I remember posting it upon one of my first days here and got a PM from I think a mod that said bucektheads manager or something contacted them and asked them to ban that pic from the site. Maybe it was a different forum, but im pretty sure it was this one : ok: and yes that is him

Oh well.

who cares :) bucket rocks, no matter what he looks like without the mask. it's just not important.

please tell me who got that rehersal shit,maybe i can do something.

I doubt it mate but try anyway. His name is Scott Hopkins, his username on here is Velvet1223

his email is gunnervelvet@yahoo.com

thanx email is send i will let you know if somethings happens. : ok:

check this, http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=34972.0 BluesGNR is already negotiating with him