2 hours ago : Ratzinger new Pope, conclave chose

[Jessica]

So the white fumes came out and cardinals, looking tired and satisfied with themselves, pushed a glowing Ratzinger towards the crowd.

( im gonna cry out of emotion )

( pss : not really )
 

That seems a sensible mature response to the announcement of a new pope, well done dear

Whatever, the guy's 78 years old, he'll soon go the same road as his old mate...

Well done again!

A german pope doesn't sit well with me for some reason.

What an amazingly odd thing to say! Because of course Germans are wicked and ungodly people

I'd like to say congratulations to Pope Benedict XVI and i hope he is successful in this massive duty. I hope that he upholds the tenets of his faith in an age where deliquents try to get any behaviour accepted.

Oh COME OOOO N, you don't expect me to be solemn about something that's as ridiculous as appointing some man who will soon have his own space in geriatrics do you ?

ts ts ts...

Ratzinger is, on top of all, quite extreme in how he sees religion and i thought catholics needed someone to help them gather more people around them, not less ?
Even the Opus Dei's happy, i mean, if they are happy, i'd REALLY question that Ratzinger person, because the Opus Dei cannot be more conservative than conservative, i mean, come on, i'd still call them the bloody inquisition if they had that power.

And they like Ratzinger ?

I'm a bit like John Paul myself, i do believe in Fatima. So we'll see.

[Jessica]

Whatever, the guy's 78 years old, he'll soon go the same road as his old mate...

I'm not Catholic but I've gotta ask Jessica, what's with the "attitude?" 

Is there something you want to say?

Of course there is something i want to say :

Don't you think modern society needs modern elections ?

How on earth are catholics supposed to emotionally do if they get attached to a man who already has a foot in the grave ?

Jesus, wake up people, i haven't anything that isn't true, he is 78 years old and will soon die because men his generation rarely live up until 90 anyway.

He is a transition pope, a pope who will not be remembered, i know it, the medias say it, the catholics say it, so don't you pretend i say something offensive because i haven't.

[*Izzy*]

They always choose an old pope after a long serving pope, it's just the way it is. I think it's stupid

  Izzy?

[SLCPUNK]

Ironic that a non-Catholic like myself should have to defend the church.

All you "progressive-secularists" make me laugh.? What?? You think that just because the world's mainstream is going a certain way that a church's doctrine should follow?

Sorry, doesn't work like that.

"The church that changes with the times will be a widow in each succeeding age." - Samual Callan

Yea...best to keep it in the dark ages....

Like I said "business as usual".

[Jessica]

Worse than usual, because they have elected a guy who happened to be in the " hitlerian youths", who is also an extremist, who is probably a faschist and who is known as " the great inquisitor".


The protestants, so i read this morning, are really not happy with him as pope, and the jews are extremely cautious because of his " hitlerian " past.

 

[Friedemann]

yeah we're all so dangerous - - -

if he was elected janitor of a drive-thru restaurant five miles outside Hogsville, AL there would still be people to say, "Well, I don't know --- a German janitor --- imagine what he will do ---"

[Jessica]

Look, i have german blood in me, autrian blood too, hungarian and lithuanian blood as well. Right ?

This pope is not german for 1, he is austrian.
For 2, austria has always been the bastion of faschism.
For 3, there are enough rumors of vatican City helping Hitler so that, i think, this decision should completely lack diplomacy for as long as camp survivors are alive.
For 4, the world is under perpetual movement, so should the church be and not regress in taking someone that brings memories back over 60 years ago.
For 5, other cults are worried. Sign of what ? Paranoia ? Too damn easy.
For 6, the world has a strong mix, but its base is quite LATIN or southern, not german nor austrian.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Worse than usual, because they have elected a guy who happened to be in the " hitlerian youths", who is also an extremist, who is probably a faschist and who is known as " the great inquisitor".

(Just speculation on my part...)

Maybe he's a religious extremist precisely because of what he experienced in his childhood.  I dont think the children had a choice about joining the Hitler Youth groups - they just had to!  And maybe seeing the godless ways in which the Nazis acted pushed him to become an extremist.   

I dont know,  I dont like him anyway, but like you said, he's a 'transitional pope' and shouldnt be very important.

Yea...best to keep it in the dark ages....

Let's hope this new pope doesnt come out and say the planets & Sun revolve around the Earth. 

[Friedemann]

he is German, believe me (unless you say that Bavaria ain't Germany, you might have a point there)

let me tell you that the Germans aren't exactly excited about all this --- yesterday, media pretty much pointed out the concerns about the "tough guy" image of his. Then I switched to CNN and BBC and they were all over the place like "Oh no, the Nazi Pope", it was almost funny.

Also remember, he's been the man behind both of the John Pauls, he's been in Vatican politics forever. It's only now that he's got himself elected Pope so I don't think that the church will suddenly become "Nazi-like" (or more Nazi-like than before, but I think that wasn't what you were about to say).

[Jessica]

Worse than usual, because they have elected a guy who happened to be in the " hitlerian youths", who is also an extremist, who is probably a faschist and who is known as " the great inquisitor".

(Just speculation on my part...)

Maybe he's a religious extremist precisely because of what he experienced in his childhood.  I dont think the children had a choice about joining the Hitler Youth groups - they just had to!  And maybe seeing the godless ways in which the Nazis acted pushed him to become an extremist.   

I dont know,  I dont like him anyway, but like you said, he's a 'transitional pope' and shouldnt be very important.

Yea...best to keep it in the dark ages....

Let's hope this new pope doesnt come out and say the planets & Sun revolve around the Earth. 

as much as it pisses me off to admit it, yes, you " may" be right. Maybe he lost himself further into faith because of his youth..i still don't think he is nice, he has a weird face that seems cruel and faces tell all about people, so he probably is. He has something kind of" dirty" in his mouth. ( and dirty mind and the church = yeew, don't want to think about the options)

[Friedemann]

it seems to come down to the fact that he's ugly

[Jessica]

he is German, believe me (unless you say that Bavaria ain't Germany, you might have a point there)

let me tell you that the Germans aren't exactly excited about all this --- yesterday, media pretty much pointed out the concerns about the "tough guy" image of his. Then I switched to CNN and BBC and they were all over the place like "Oh no, the Nazi Pope", it was almost funny.

Also remember, he's been the man behind both of the John Pauls, he's been in Vatican politics forever. It's only now that he's got himself elected Pope so I don't think that the church will suddenly become "Nazi-like" (or more Nazi-like than before, but I think that wasn't what you were about to say).

grrr, ok, he may be german, but i am sure i heard he was austrian..bavaria, austria, same to me anyway. ( not to them of course)

I know he knows the ins and outs of the vatican, but when you think JPII has done so much good, i'm just affraid a career orientated faith bearer could put 30 years of efforts down in one go.

[Jessica]

it seems to come down to the fact that he's ugly

 

Noooo, i read faces, just like i read attitudes or how people walk or stand. Some people have even made a job out of this, i haven't, but i study them a lot.

He isn't ugly outside, it's what shows of him that's not nice.

He isn't a good man, i could bet my family's entire life on it.

[Friedemann]

what does  actually mean? Rolling on the floor laughing? So you're not angry?

all I'm saying is that people should drop their stereotypic opinions about what-ever. He's German --- so the Italian press (who obviously was in favour of one of their own) dubbed him the Panzer Cardinal. British media (who have no need to bother since they're Anglicans, I presume) brought up the Nazi issue and pretended that it was recently discovered --- it wasn't, it's old news. I'm not going to comment on if he could have done anything particular to resist the Nazi regime because this isn't the place to do so --- I'd have to put on my fake white Authority beard first, and scan in my History B.A. degree ---

I'm not going to bet on anything myself but I'd say that none of the cardinals even raised the Nazi issue in their election because they know him better and they're only concerned with his theology and views and that (and of course you're free to disagree with those)

--- but in order to keep the thread at a certain level consider dropping the "ugly Nazi" issue

[*Izzy*]

it seems to come down to the fact that he's ugly

I don't think people should be judged on their face. I never smile but I'm a great person? (joking, about the great person bit)

( and dirty mind and the church = yeew, don't want to think about the options)

Neither do I

The pope is just a spiritual leader he can't actually change the laws of the church
I'm not to worried about him

  Izzy?

[sandman]

great choice for the leader of the catholic church.

most jews i've heard from are pleased....this pope knows well the pain they have suffered.

i respect the church for not sacrificing their beliefs (ie selling out) to fall in line with the "changing times".

[Kitano]

This thread is so full of bizarre half truths and outright lies I had to say something.

The vatican never helped the nazis.? Pope Julius spoke out numerous times against the nazi regieme and the catholic church was persecuted for it by the nazis with numerous priests ending up in concentration camps.? Pope julius was also responsible for helping thousands of jews get out of germany before the holocaust began.

The nazi party even started their own church to draw people away from christianity, it was called the reich church and was a bizarre mix of pagan and christian symbolism.? Hitler himself was deeply involved in the occult.? The fact that he chose a pagan symbol of good look, the swastica as his party symbol should speak volumes about him.

The current pope was a member of the hitler young but so was every other young man of his age.? Prior to the war begining the hitler youth would stage marches in each town and they would go to the homes of young men who were not members and essentially compel them to join.? There really was no way to tell the nazi party to go take a hike without ending up in a concentration camp.? In 1941 the nazi party passed a law compelling everyone below millitary sevice age to enlist with the hitler youth.? A number of jewish groups have already said publicly that they have no problem with pope benedict and reconise both his and his families total opposition to the nazi party throughout the war.? If they don't have a problem with this issue then why should we?

[GnRNightrain]

Ratzinger's previous job/title was, "Head of the Office of Inquisition".

Looks like all the gays are going to hell again.

Business as usual.

I have more respect for them because they dont change their doctrine based on progressive pressure from those that despise religion.

[jgfnsr]

Ironic that a non-Catholic like myself should have to defend the church.

All you "progressive-secularists" make me laugh.? What?? You think that just because the world's mainstream is going a certain way that a church's doctrine should follow?

Sorry, doesn't work like that.

"The church that changes with the times will be a widow in each succeeding age." - Samual Callan

Yea...best to keep it in the dark ages....

Like I said "business as usual".

You Doppelganger, and many others on this board, are so disenchanted with religion in general that you overlook the most basic element of it - absolute truth. ?(I realize that for all the subjective, moral-relativists here, that concept is an enigma.)

However the fact remains that if a religion simply bases it's tenents and doctrine on current public opinion, instead of what it believes and claims GOD's will is, it all but ceases to be a religion; and therefore remains nothing but a social organization.

[jgfnsr]

Ratzinger's previous job/title was, "Head of the Office of Inquisition".

Looks like all the gays are going to hell again.

Business as usual.

I have more respect for them because they dont change their doctrine based on progressive pressure from those that despise religion.

Agreed.