Here Today... Gone To Hell!

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"Thing is, I have now heard it. Held a copy in my hand, artwork intact, and listened to it start to finish. I?ve got to tell you, it?s good. It was loaned to me by a family member of someone, (truly all I can say so no one gets in trouble as it was never to be out of this person?s sight).

I?m not talking about comparisons to Appetite, that would be apples and oranges, but a more solid effort that Use Your Illusions 1 or 2. By way of comparison, it makes anything Velvet Revolver did, or will ever do, sound like just another Slash?s Snakepit album. Remember when V.R. was going to save rock? Didn?t happen, but Democracy may just succeed where they failed. When this comes out, Slash and co. are going to be veiwed as throwbacks, and after hearing this I honestly wouldn?t want a classic Guns reunion.


Without giving too much away, and knowing that some of you have heard some tracks, this thing is going to do well. In my opinion, there are songs that are going to blow you away, (if you let them). Soundwise it is well recorded, and mixed to be played loud, (and why not). The songs are interesting with some filler, but not much. Forget about Axl being Industial, or Emo, he?s just being Axl. The band sound great and fit as GnR 2006 to a T. So much so, that when this comes out, people are going to say, ?Slash, Duff, and Andy McCoy?er, I mean Izzy who??

This band IS Guns and Roses, and Guns and Roses are going to be big in 2006 and beyond. Chinese Democracy is going to be as remembered as Appetite For Destruction, and will leave a legacy in pop music as well as pop culture.

Thank you for your time. Let the insults and disagreements fly."

Interesting. I find the whole cover art thing hard to believe. You think he would have described the art, or maybe a song in detail, maybe drop a name... bogus.

Well Gigger, if this is true........ then i fear and kind of hope that its only a matter of time before a copy leaks onto the internet!

The only thing that makes me suspicious of this is the fact that he didnt go into detail at all, no tracklisting, no descriptions of any songs....... im only thinking its true because the Rope forums are in my books considered to be pretty reliable and a decent forum!

Jonx

Sounds like BS, just someone else trying to take a pot shot at the original band ?::)

Not believing it until I get a copy, son.

Just to clarify... I didn't write this - I read it at another forum and copied here.  : ok:

fortus says that it's coming in september and this guy says it's done, including artwork. then why aren't they putting it out there??
i think it's bs

Chinese Democracy tracks are still yet to be mastered.... he didn't hear any official Chinese Democracy disc.

Hell yeah!!!!!! ? :D

This isn't real. Sorry.  :'(

the artwork thing must be fake.

Hell no!!!!! ?::)

too vague ?:smoking:

smells like bs

Any real review that is of the official disc would most likely give a tracklisting and details of a few of the tracks which may include lyrics/descriptions of a guitar solo/cool drum beat/synth... this review is obviously a sham just by looking at it. Factor in that no tracks have even hit mastering and you have one big pile of shit........

It wasn't written as a review... Just a post saying he has heard it. My wording was slightly tongue in cheek - obviously lost on some people.

Just curious as to how you know that, Mr. I....

Well, I mean if he has "heard" more than we have and he states that he has seen the "artwork", it sounds like he is trying to say that he's held an official copy of Chinese Democracy we are going to get in his hand. Furthermore, he states its made to be turned up loud or whatever and as per a few days ago I can tell you that no Chinese Democracy tracks have been mastered. Chinese Democracy will be mastered, reproduced and distributed quickly.... it's not gonna be mastered, then have 50-100 discs get passed around a inner cirle increasing the chance for a full leak.. no fucking way. That review is bullshit, unless he is just going by the 8-10 new tracks we have heard from live recordings/demos/ and "oh my god."

I say bullshit.

That doesn't sound so far fetched, there are things like record company schedules to contend with. I doubt the whole company is sitting around waiting for CD to be done, and there are plenty of releases that are definitely coming out that need attention and already have promotion money/interview and magazine coverage/etc. already lined up.

The next few months are probably going to be spent allocating money to promotion and getting press coverage set up. That stuff takes time.

hmm, no track list, no describing artwork...hard to believe...but vague enough to be believable...


Who knows anymore what is real and what is fake....one thing is for sure...If i got my hands on an advance copy it's be in my CDROM and ripped in a blink...before i listened to it, and the jewelcase insterst and cd booklet would be scanned asafp.


But that's just me i guess. ?::)

If he is a friend of the band or what ever he said, it could be true. See if we get a track listing first before jumping the gun. And teh tracks dont have to be mastered to turn up loud.

i thought your source told you that "no demos have been mastered yet". with an emphasis on "demos". doesn't mean some final versions haven't been mastered...

far too vague, if it was true than we would be seeing some sort of advertisement/hype. He makes it sound totally complete with the art work done and im sure theyd want to get it on shelves as soon as possible before it started to truly leak. bs

agreed

I thought we'd all established that no demos will ever be mastered.  :rofl:

You guys and gals do know that SOME people have heard CD right? And SOME people on that board are insiders in the industry, so before too long someone over there is going to have heard it. Not sayin this guy is legit but lets see if he gets us more before we call him names.

I'd really like to know the amount of people besides band members and guns n roses management who have heard anywhere from 16-32 guns n roses tracks. My guess is the circle would have to be anywhere from only 10-20 people. I think the leaks came from the trunk disc, and someone who had a tape handy when Axl did one of his private listening partys...

Great post Dave!!! : ok:

I just think that the album might possibly be complete, just that the label doesn't want to put any more money into the project. ?They won't release without promotion, and promotion costs money. ?Maybe they want to make sure that Axl will play his dates this year in Europe and use the cash and publicity from the tour for publicity and the album can be released after the tour... doesn't that make sense? ?The label also has other artists to promote, so they wouldn't want to counter their promotion of another band.

further solidifying why you don't know ****

 :)

I don't disagree, I would never call him a name, but I do think it looks very suspect. That is a pretty important cd to hear, he has the opportunity to be the first credilbe source for a review... and he writes that little, ambigious blurb... I don't believe it. I hope it is real, I would love to be wrong... I am wrong as much or more than anyone else, but I don't think I am now.

Real or not, doesn't really matter. It teaches us nothing, no new information, just one guy's opinion and we'll get plenty of that when (if?  :'() CD comes out. I'd rather believe RF, saying the album might, could, should (?) be out in September. That is conflicting with some guy saying the artwork is done and the album is finished. If it is, why not put it out now, before the tour?

So I say this is BS, but even if it isn't..... we will still be waiting for a release date.

Horse shit! (always wanted to say that)

"Say what you want. If you want to say I'm full of shit, that's fine.

The people involved, band, staff, and loved ones of the band are very protective of this. I asked my friend if it was OK to post this, being vague, but still giving limited details. He said that would be fine.

You could understand if you were to create something that you loved, and was going to be very lucrative besides, and some jerk gave away all of the details making your creation not as special. You might be pretty mad.

If I gave a track listing, what would stop someone from going to a peer to peer and finding everything,? I pinpoint the artwork, then what happens? I'll tell you what, Chinese Democracy on a CDR, with artwork, $5.00 on the street on NYC. Would my friend be pissed off? yes. Would band members and record types be pissed off? yes. Would lawyers? No, but I'm sure they would sue my ass.

I can't give a track listing, I can't give artwork details. I can just tell you to be in line at midnight on relese day to buy this thing. It is a purchase that few are going to regret. "

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he couldnt even give us a track listing...

I think the guy is full of shit now. I told him on that board, you cant get sued for saying the track listing or saying what the artwork looks like. He is  being vague on purpose.

If you think CITR is from a disc.. you're an idiot, it's a tape recording. If you completely buy Wes's story that some strippers stole the disc or copied a disc of Axl's, I really feel sorry for you.

"If I gave a track listing, what would stop someone from going to a peer to peer and finding everything,? "

um... implying the tracks are already available on a P2P?

HUMBUGARY, I CLAIM!

ping

Im like saint thomas, seeing is believing and till I hear the album I would say so  :)

Thanks for doing that! (Frozen you too)

OK step back for a sec and say this is actually legit info....It's pretty sad that people know they will be flamed for letting us know info about this band. We have no idea if this is real or not. I wonder what people around here will do when all the consspiracy is blown wide open...there won't be anything for the naysayers to talk about.

posts are coming so fast that this reply prolly won't get read anyway *edit: as i typed this 6 replies were made then i post it and nothing :hihi:

CITR didn't come from wes... it also didnt come from someone who taped a listening party... actually, i'm not even sure what you mean by "listening party", but i'm pretty sure it's wrong.

JUST ASK HIM ONE THING. ASK HIM TO VERIFY IF "THIS I LOVE" WILL BE ON THE ALBUM.
IF IT IS THERE, ASK IF HE CAN VERIFY THE LYRICS FROM ROSEOFVELVET.COM IS GENUINE.

I know CITR didn't come from Wes, Citr somehow/someway was taped from an audio device.. whether it be a dj at one of axl's listening partys when he throws them at titty bars/ or night clubs, or whether it be from a studio tech sneaking it out, fact is CITR was from a tape. The other tracks were from a disc or discs, whether you want to believe it was the Trunk Disc+Wes's Disc or the trunk disc, wes disc, plus one other mystery disc.

Are you kidding? He heard the cd, I doubt he memorized it.

I'm with you Neemo...

The guy offered to meet someone with a CD-R in NYC??? ok... my problem with that is, he can't tell anyone the tracklist or artwork, but he's willing to copy the CD... not only that, but the person who buys it off of him could leak it anyway.

At the same time, he could be telling the truth. ?someone should take him up on the offer! ?:)

Give me his contact info.. it will take me 30 minutes to find out if he legitimately has a copy of CD or not.  If he has it, I'll put the money where my mouth is...

THIS ISN'T A CITR POST!

What was on the CD that Axl played in the NYC club in Feb? ?An unmastered version of the entire album? ?Maybe that is what he heard?

I can be in NYC in 15min. I'll meet this punk and see whats legit and what isn't.

Unfortunatly thats the nature of things these days, im sure there are people out there who have real info but get pissed off by the behaviour of certain people on the boards! Look at it this way, if this story is legit, then CD is done, which means its only a matter of time, this thing cant stay locked up forever, not when $$$$$$$ have been spent on it.

Have a little patience

Jonx

Yeah, could be....

All I need with him is 5 minutes, then 30-60 minutes to verify any lyrics he might be able to give me from a song we haven't heard.

There was absolutely nothing substantive in that post...If they did, in fact, hear it, I say good for them...Give me something to sink my teeth into.

how about you do that

i live and work in NYC... i'll meet him with you dude.

Gonna rough him up a bit?

nothing to say its true or false really right now

...except common sen... nevermind.  :P

Yeah seriosuly.. if he offered to meet someone else already.. Why not meet us.. No harm unless fake.

That's probably it.

He didn't offer to meet anyone. Why don't people actually read what is written? ???? ::)

 someone posted that he offered to meet someone in nyc... was just responding to that.

I'm not signing up over there to personal im that dude.. but if you all can manage to get his contact info and he is willing to talk I can at least verify if he has a track that is yet to leak.... if he just heard the disc and can't remember lyrics then I have no way to verify him.

 Come on lets be real, If he was genuine we would have heard something about a release date by now. The record label involved Im sure are aware of the advantage of sending a few posters or something with ''Coming Soon'' or something like that on and they havent even done that yet! Have probably been itching too for the last few years at least! We would all flip if they just did that! Something is wrong somewhere down the line and fakers like this bloke sure doesnt help. The CD is still being mastered and we wont see it until late september the earliest! does anyone know where or if I could put a bet on that?! I'd get great odds im sure   ;)

13 new posts while writing this?!! aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhhh!!!

IF he offered.. I didn't say he was.. I was jus goin by the post by Backslash so you need to settle down and not worry about it.

No disrespect gigger but why have made a big deal out of this. This shit happens constantly and why should this one be any different.

FYI,

The thread has been removed by the Rope moderators.

so cool the person who heard this loves to hate everything from the past or anything any othe rmember will ever do.. : ok:

I always love when a review of something likethis has to belittle everyone who was ever in gnr just to say cd was awesome

I was confused by that aswell.... Where did he say he'd meet someone (thats since been explained, seven posts were made in the time it took me to type this)

Also, why does the guy think that by giving out a tracklist people can recreate the cd? unless, as he said, it is on P2P networks somewhere with correct titles.

I must've read one of his posts wrong or something... he put the offer out in general, from my interpretation of it.



Dude says he's not posting in the thread and not answering anymore PMs on it... smells fishy to me, but ya never know

I was just gonna post that :hihi:

hmmm, maybe the poster requested it? or it was deemed BS? dunno I'm not a member there

Who made a big deal out of it? I made a thread copying what he wrote. The title was meant to be tongue in cheek but obviously any sort of humour was lost on you. ?: ok:

HE CAN'T EVEN REPLY IF THIS I LOVE IS ON THE ALBUM.

IF HE CAN'T EVEN ASNWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTION.

YOU KNOW THE GUY IS FULL OF ....

I really think it was bullshit, but yeah there is a remote possibility he could have heard the unmastered stuff Axl has played at night clubs... but who even knows if those tracks are all of what C.D is going to be...

In my opinion it was way too vague and was done on purpose, if I had heard the c.d I would at least describe an unleaked song in its entirety....

He didn't have time to answer as the thread was deleted by the moderators.

People are getting far too irritated by this whole thing if you ask me.  :hihi:

Is this guy a fan or could he just be an idiot who has heard the stuff we already have heard?

Why does it matter if he can verify if This I love is on the album or not, are you claiming to have a tracklisting in which you could verify if his tracklisting matches the one you have?

if it was real why would a supposed gnr fan have to knock all the guys who made gnr back in the day.. Is it that hard to say you like the new album or it waas great without knocking snakepit or vr.. ?This is why fans are never going to get along, to much bullshit instead of just saying I liked the album..

He works in the music industry and lives in NYC.

Maybe this i love was a sucky track, a forgetable track :hihi:


By a claim that CD is out there and finished?....nah it's like vultures circling roadkill :hihi:

If that's true, then why not believe him?  People in the music industry keep their mouths shut about specifics when talking about yet-to-be-released material.

The thread got deleted.

BUT... if you noticed, the person said that the disc did not leave the sight of the person letting him listen to it. ?I doubt he story but then again, I can believe it.

where are they talking about it on that site now?

I'm calling bullshit on this.. Lots of assholes know we want this thing bad and always make up shit, just check sludge and all the ru,mors that come from there

I think if it's true, this guy is kind of a jerk for posting anything about it, why rub it in our faces? And why take the chance of getting your friend in trouble?

http://www.velvetrope.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=773426&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=2&fpart=1&vc=1

tell him there was no real reason to post that if hes not gonna give proff, no ones gonna believe him anyway, people claim to have heard the album everday

OK no point arguing over this. We shall wait for Rock in Rio if AXl has something to say.

he said it was not supposed to be out of his site...that's why his buddy would get in shit

http://www.velvetrope.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=773422&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=2&fpart=1

can someone ask him if someone can meet him to listen to just one song as proof? the guy doesn't have to give a copy of the cd out or anything- just let someone listen to a cd player for a minute? i'll be glad to do it if he's actually up for it.

Dave or FI, wanna try take care of that? I'm not a member either.

1. The guy never posted about Gnr before so he is not a fanboy.
2. He just posted another thread saying it was sad that the mods deleted his thread.
3. People, somebody has heard the music........don't know if it is this guy, but someone outside of the band has heard it.
4. I don't know if this is true or not but it should not be unilaterally discredited.
 :peace:

as much as i want to believe it, i feel it is way too vague. anyone could just pull random shit like that out of their ass. seriously, i mean he didnt even talk about the actual music that much. i know he said he didnt want to give too much away but come on.

Finally someone is speaking sense. Had to sift through 90 posts of moronic rubbish first to get to it though. ?:hihi:

he wont even give me his email address.

for what its worth, if you type in "logan5 guns n roses" there are alot of users with that username on various sites that list gnr as their interests

Funny that after your really mature "fuck you" response to him just before the last thread was closed.

amen to that Madagas :beer:

but dave2k said it back at post #25 gigger, and i agreed then too :P

I know because thats all people have done for the past decade....shoot down old gnr and hype new gnr...

give me a fukin break

Interesting....

yea well i was pissed. he pmed me back saying he couldnt give me his addy cuz it would reveal who he was..
i also asked him if he can atleast name 4 tracks that are on the CD.. i doubt he'll tell me.

Well, most on that site take "pot shots" at both classic and new GNR. All versions are generally a laughingstock.

yea well i was pissed. he pmed me back saying he couldnt give me his addy cuz it would reveal who he was..

Paul Huge? Haha just a thought.

You should have asked hism to create a new account somewhere, for temporary use.

Hey come on now, I agreed that it's possibly true, also! ?:hihi: ?I don't discredit anything... so far no one has proved that he hasn't heard CD just as much as he hasn't proved that he did hear it. ?Until we get some real proof, I can't discredit it. ?If the dude works in the record industry, the fact remains that he's under a hush-hush order and can't say anything specific anyway. Regardless, someone has obviously heard it. ?Whether he did or didn't, we'll probably never know.

By the way, did his second thread get deleted?

That might be true...but overall whenever I read an article about GNr, the new guys are the ones being mad fun of, belittled, etc....

I just laugh when I read people on this board claim that the general concensus is in favor of new gnr...talk about blinders

yea well i was pissed. he pmed me back saying he couldnt give me his addy cuz it would reveal who he was..

Couldn't give email address means a possibility that he/she is:
1. One of the members
2. AXL
3. Merck
4. Beta
5. AXL's Lawyer ?:peace:

If any of you can get his email address or contact info such as aol or msn, please put him in touch with me. I give you my word that I can verify if he is telling the truth within an hour at most times, I just need to speak to him for around 5 minutes.

My aol is sammystlaurant and my msn is jvitale2004@hotmail.com

Thanks if you can get him to contact me.

anyonne can make up some fake email to use that would hide who you are

No chance...
It's possible that the CD is finished and in the hands of a select few close to Axl or someone at Universal, but this album just doesn't exist right now with artwork, credits, etc....
This guy is full of it.

Ask him to give you 4 lines of lyrics from one of the following tracks..

1)Prostitute
2)The General
3)This I Love

Simple task for him if he has the cd, if he just "heard" it, no way we'll ever know.

mr intensity when are u gonna give it up?

Who are you MR Intensity? Do you know someone who work close with the band or in their management?

or a nobody :hihi: (which is my bet)

but if somebody see's nobody's name then nobody will be in shit...huh?? :hihi:

I know someone that can verify if he is full of shit or telling the truth, all he has to do is post some lyrics from an unleaked track. I am not with management, nor do I know anyone in guns n roses.

hes a man on a mission to outdo splat all by himself. Hes a 1 man wanna be show

he was recruited by merck to find people who have leaked nu-gnr songs

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=17321592


appears to be someone in this band possibly?

in their influences they have gnr listed, really going out on a limb here :hihi:

You mean a spy or something? What do you call those guys on the net again?

I'm a big guns n roses fan who was lucky enough to recieve CITR a week or so before it was leaked... and I told the board how it sounded and that I had it, but couldn't leak it.. so some people hate me for that. However, the same person who gave me that track has lyrics to some slated C.D songs, and not ONE person has ever posted correct lyrics to any unleaked tracks.. all bullshit so far.

-recruited

+paid

Who the hell could memorize lyrics from a song they heard ONE TIME? ?

Do you think the guy sat there and said "OK, I have to make sure I remember these lyrics, so I can tell some message board people, and they'll believe me." ?NO. ?He'd probably listen to it the same way I listened to the leaks for the first time - just sat back and enjoyed them, tried to take it all in. ?

Just put yourself in that situation. ?Would YOU remember lyrics to any of the songs, except maybe a couple of choruses? ?

Give me a break man! ? ::)

A mole or rat or snitch... I guess.

HAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA FUCKING FUNNY.. : ok:

Interesting "Review". If its real!
And if it is, The new GNR album should be ready to release..
Just gotta wait and see u guess.. ?: ok:

wow...now if only I saw and heard the same thing this person did and held it in my hand and had it in my cd player might I believe this

Someone posted lyrics to IRS a few months before the original leak occured, but left because everyone let rip on him!

Jonx

big deal....how do u knwo that guy has those songs? just because he gave u CITR means jack shit to me

A mole, that's it!

Maybe it's the same person, the person who gave me CITR and who told me the lyrics to it a week before he gave it to me doesn't post on this board, he just lurks on it.... he seen me offering tons of cash for CITR and eventually gave it to me for free.

He never claimed those songs, he only has claimed to have a lyric sheet.. and I believe him.

maybe u should follow ur friend...leave and just lurk and not talk

Then I couldn't annoy you and ruin your day. :rofl:

dude stop acting so high and mighty. several people had CITR before it was posted on the board. you're not special. stop acting like it.

on topic- i think the velvetrope guy is BS, but who knows...

Please dont turn this thread to a Mr.Intensity subject!

Back to TOPIC!

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seems he's a joker

I agree with you that velvet rope is probably full of it.

ermmmm.. i dont believe him anymore lol...

I think people just need to stop worrying about so-called "insiders."  Because in the end, they really know nothing. They know that this might happen or that might happen, but its all stuff we could have guessed ourselves, most of the time. The only way we are going to know the truth about when Chinese Democracy will be released is when Axl decides to put this goddamn press release out or when GN'R hit the stage on the 27 of May to kick off their European Tour. Jesus, this press release is becoming just as mythical as the album itself.  :hihi:

Would be a great cover Dohwww... ?:hihi:

So, do u think Bush will ever buy Chinese Democracy.. i hope now.. ?:hihi:

Logan5 :rant: what a fucking idiot!!! :rofl:

(http://myspace-057.vo.llnwd.net/00652/75/09/652629057_l.jpg)

he's either trying to change the spotlight from him or he's just genuinely a fucker :rant:

Bush looks like a douch in that outfit.  :rofl:

yeah, it's the outfit...  :yes:

hehe... I'm starting to not believe Logan5... I don't know though... he mustn't be a real fan.  he wrote "and"...  :hihi:

Can someone post it please?

Bush is looking like a Dalek in that outfit  :hihi:

One more "ping" from you and there'll be a "ban".



/jarmo

Jesus, that's like a trademark of mine from any site I post on... it's just like saying "I agree."

he didnt post the artwork.

I like it... I really do. I think you should keep using it.


Good idea. ?:hihi:

another thread for nothing.

pong

 :hihi:

what in the blue hell??? a ping is to see the delay between conections you pet!    :P

Where is the origanal post?

Jesus, I can't believe a guy like yourself hasn't read the rules.

If "I agree" posts are not allowed, what do you think posts that say "ping" are?  ::)




/jarmo

3rd grade quality fake.

He could of at least thrown something in there about how Blues, Mads & CD sound much better than the live versions.

Then could have commented that little changes were made to Better, TWAT & IRS.

Could've been a little more daring and spoke of how "This I Love" will surpass November Rain.

At least be creative when painting dogshit.

One wave of his magic wand and Axl can put an end to these attention seekers.

That review is something anyone could write without actually hearing 'CD'. It's logical that it is Guns N' Roses. It is logical it will rock our socks. It is logical that the production sounds different then UYI or Appetite, I bet it sounds great. And sure, Axl will always be Axl. And people who give the new band a chance will surely enjoy the new goods. That review is 'right' in a way some fans or people feel about the band. As in personal perception. But that doesn't mean the review is an actual review from CD.

Yep,

I believe it's a fake based on the articles like the RS ones but it will come true for the most part. :yes:

The link doesn't even work! FAKE!

That's because the thread was deleted by the original poster after he got sick of being told to fuck off by stupid GnR fans. : ok:

hah if ure gonna write a review at least make shit up like that guy did from that magazine.. dont remember which one but he ahd like a track listing and made a bunch of bulshit up which people beleived.. lol

haha what did i miss????? another review from an internet poster who has heard the album???   












cool....

stfu he didnt even have proof. couldnt name songs that were on the cd or annytthiinnggg.

You say "stupid"......I say "keen".

Yeah it must be tough to deal with "counterfeit-wise" Gunners ? :-* ?

These well seasoned gunners can smell shit from miles away.

It comes with years of experience.

You'd better bring some names of the songs or stay home.

Well, that was 15 seconds of my life I'll never get back.

Gigger, you are a good guy and a loyal fan, I like you, I really do, but....

I'm not sold that that review is for real. It was rather generic. What are this guys credentials?

He never said he was gonna offer proof and because you got all pissed off at him he isn't ever going to now. ?: ok:

I thought you dealt with the situation well though, very clever and particularly mature - didn't make you look like an idiot at all. ?:rofl:

Im not gonna argue with you  :peace:

Could be real could be fake, who knows? Let's leave it like that.

He explained why he didn't want to give away specifics (in order to protect the person who gave him the CD) yet no one understood.

I'm just not jumping on any band wagons at the moment and some of the posts over at the Rope by the people who are normally on this forum were nothing short of moronic.

gigger my man u'll believe anything wont you? :hihi:

It's kind of funny with all the insiders and splat and everything else we still have nothing and know nothing.. Not trying to sounds like a dick, just what I feel and see..

moronic thread deserve moronic replies.... you should be able to verify if he has heard it or not... what with all your sources and sp1ats internet sluth's you guys are like the Sherlock Holmes of the GnR internet world....  you shouldnt worry so much what other people post

I don't care if that review is fake or not. Either way it's a useless review.

yes kind of funny isnt it.... lol.. imagine if they spent thier time doing something worthwhile....

There is no review.

I have a CD. It has artwork. There are songs on it. VR sucks GN'R is great.

That's all the "review" says.


Groundbreaking.

I never said I believed it. I'm open minded until proven one way or the other. : ok:

Reading a problem as well?? :rofl:

One thing though, if it was fake and he made it up, why didn't he just come up with a fake tracklist when asked to keep the "lie" up?? ???

because HE DOESNT HAVE IT.

He never claimed to "have it", he claimed he "heard it".

What I don't understand is how you are 100% certain that it's fake? Doesn't seem to be any logic behind your certainty.? : ok:

I'm 50-50.

And as I said, if it was fake and he made it up, why didn't he just come up with a fake tracklist when asked to keep the "lie" up? Easy enough to do?? ???

i ment the proof  :confused:

Ignoring the harder and less convenient questions are we?  :rofl:

I'm completely baffled.

Why don't you guys believe him again?

i dont know, gigger.? ;) figure it out.

Your logic - if there isn't proof it must be fake.
My logic - if there isn't proof then it is inconclusive.

Now whose is right?  :rofl:

Do you, finally, get my argument? Or will I have to try and find another angle to explain it to my very slow friend? ::)

errmm why wont he name 1 track that he heard? "because people will download it off kazza"?  :hihi:

let me guess what ur next post will be

"  :rofl: "?

Oh, so not having a clue about how P2P networks work is evidence that he didn't get a listen to CD. Nice work, Sherlock.? : ok:

Can someone with a brain (darknemus, Pilferk possibly) help me out trying to reason with this guy?

once again the world of gnr fans jumps when any idiot says anything about CD.  after a decade plus you'd think all these people would learn, but i guess not.  there are no insiders.  there are no friends and family sharing discs.  just like always, there is nothing.

You sure?  :hihi:

sadly true...

A. I have no clue if the guy's telling the truth or not.  His story seems plausible, at least.  In addition - none of his other posts were even Guns related on there.  Not like a one post wonder attention whore type, anyway.

B. Just because he didn't give details does NOT mean he's lying.  Of course, it also doesn't mean he's telling the truth.. but it certainly doesn't prove or disprove the guy.

C. Pilferk really does have a brain :)

D. As the disc gets closer and closer to release - these stories become more and more lkely to be true.. in my opinion.  I'm telling you its only a matter of a few weeks or so until the thing's available online in its entirety.. in my opinion.

-darknemus

I give up... I'd have more chance of being able teach a blind man to read then I do trying to use logic with this moron. :rofl:

You keep shouting fake all over the place and me and the rest of the people with at least half a brain will keep insisting that it is "inconclusive" - not real, nor fake, but inconclusive.

You get it yet? If not, bad luck. You're boring me. ?:hihi:

calling me a moron, an idiot, isnt going to help me believe this guy Heard CD, but why dont you go back to mygnrforum? go suck on madisons cock, you're boring me too.? :P
but seriously, go suck her cock.

 ::)

Did somebody upset you?

I suggest reading this website, you may find it useful in life.

http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html

Shut up already!

We don't care if you two don't like each other.....  ::)



/jarmo

WHy dont we just take this battle to mygnrforum? :hihi: :rofl:

gullable bastard. peace out.

Apologies Jarmo. Won't happen again.  :peace:

#1 The review was way too vague and then he went to kind of trolling activity after his threads were deleted.
#2 I don't believe he could have possibly had a cd with artwork/full package, no Chinese Democracy tracks have been mastered. But yet they've produced artwork for an unmastered demo disc.
#3 He couldn't even give one tiny snippet of a discription of any unleaked song, a tracklisting, or even post a line or two of lyrics from an unleaked song.
#4 He shyed away from all private contact as well which could have possibly verified him.

I know everyone is anxious for the first official review of the cd... but this looks to be a load of crap.

 :peace:

in regards to D. do you really think that,and in such a short space in time

sounds about like most people who post on the internet to have heard the cd.....

I exchanged at least 5 PMs with him.? :peace:

It all depends how you approach people.  ::)

The only way D can happen is if/when c.d hits the mastering stage.. at this point there is not a mastered final version of the album. If Chinese Democracy leaks it will happen when the c.d. enters the reproduction stage most likely. When it is officially mastered I am sure only Geffen, Axl, management, and maybe all band members will get a mastered copy.

i pmed him 4 times and still i dont understand why he cant name one fucking track he heard :no: hes full of shit. soz.

Did he give you any information regarding tracklisting/lyrics/artwork?? Did the cd have linear notes of all the musicians that featured on certain songs? Or did he basically play pattycake and shy away from any detaill? I didn't approach him as I didn't take time to sign up over there.. although I had a couple people trying to get his contact info of any kind, but he didn't want to give it out......

he cant name one track coz he didnt hear it... its bullshit... same song and dance as always ....

I'd like to know the title/titles of the tracks he considered "filler." : ok:

im not being an arsehole Mr I but how do you know that CD hasnt been mastered yet,its not like axl will walk the streets shouting "CDs being mastered everyone".and i agree with you that it wont be on the net until the reproduction stage is under way. :peace:

You'll just have to trust me that it hasn't been mastered yet.. I don't know if a tracklisting has even been determined either. ;)

nah,soz,i go with alot of other poeple on here and doubt you coz you sound too certain with nothing to prove you.i cant see how it would harm you to tell us how you know it aint been mastered yet.

just imagine hes got sources? :hihi:

the only sources i can imagine him having is ketchup and burger relish  :hihi:

Anyway,  I signed up and sent Logan5 a pm, I'll see if I can get him to give even the slightest detail about some stuff. If he truly only heard the disc, then there is really no way to verify him as completely false or completely true..

Hopefully, Tommy gives us some new info on that show tonight.

have you got a reply yet?

even if he replies he (logan5) is just going to change the subject.? :-*
ive asked him plenty of times to name a few tracks and all he keeps saying is "i did not copy the cd" blah blah.? :rofl:

No, I'll cease from posting in this thread until he contacts me.....

He wont!

Jonx

Let me start off by saying that everything that guy said about Cd is true. I also heard the album and it is great.  you will not be disappointed. My favorite song in CD is a song called " GNR fans are suckers" .  Axl's voice is powerful in this tune, you can feel the anger in his voice when  singing this particular song.  I would also like to add that the guitar playing is magnificent.  There are some fast and slow melodic solos  in this 7.36 min track  that changes tempo like 3 times ( kind of like Coma).  This is going to be one true epic !    if you guys have any questions concerning CD  don't hesitate to ask me  I will be more than happy to reply.       LONG LIVE GNR !!!

so can you post the track list? lol

Hold on  let me get the CD case    Be right back    :hihi:

Quick question: Why are the 1000 insiders with their 5000 sources speculating like everyone else? They should've known minutes after it was posted whether it was real or not. Instead of insulting people who say its fake, just call one of your many sources and find out.

I will be waiting patiently to see what the radio, retail, and secret sources have to say this time.

Oh my.............

nice post " : ok:" " :rofl:"
BUT this thread should be closed.

Bullshit. There isn't anything concrete. He didn't even mention the song titles.

fernando, beta`s son, wrote "and" as well.....


it doesn`t matter anyways.......

Ping!



lol

This guy is full of shit, a disc that contains Chinese Democracy artwork does not exist..... : ok:

You are full of shit,
I think you are the last person to know what exists regarding GnR.

I respect your opinion, I'm just telling you the truth though. :peace:

Send this guy the Rhiad link, that way we'll find out if either the leak is real, or if this guy is telling the truth or whether Rhiad is on the final album, problem is we wont know which one we'll have found out.

theres a rhiad leak?

You should send him the rules.

He'll check them with his source and tell us if they're true...

It's garbage.

okay, i take back what i said about the review. it might actually be true.  : ok: : ok: :beer:

Ehhhhh what a steaming pile of vague bullshit.
Literally anyone could have written this "review"
There isn't a single word in the text that would indicate the guy has actually heard any GNR tracks what so ever.

"I heard the new GNR record and it roooocks"
Well woohoo.

whats garbage? is there a rhiad leak?

The 10 seconds of what was supposed to be rhiad that was posted was fake...

Any one of our "blogs" could have passed for that review....

THANX JARMO!!!

WC

Oh i get it Mr Ping, errrrrrrr i mean Mr douche errrrrrr, i mean Mr Insider,  we have to trust you because you've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt your credibility.

It's all suddenly clear to me, you're Jesus and we'd be silly to not have faith in you as our saviour and we'll all go to hell if we believe in all these false prophets like Logan 5.

RAMONNNNNNNE bring me a shovel for this pinging fuck !!!!!!!!!!!!

Please control yourself... I'd advise you to take some deep breaths and step away from the keyboard sir.....

Why would anyone in retail have any earthly idea if this was true?  Surely there wouldn't be any sort of PR or information passed down through retail about a leak?

Oh, wait....is that sarcasm?  From james? Nahhhhhh.....

I've been gone for a week and already I'm in GNR overload.  I'm not going to read all of this but I must ask, did this person who reviewed CD ever mention a tracklist?

No, the review is bullshit too.

Right on.  Thanks. : ok:

The review itself is bullshit, it doesn't tell us anything... except for the fact that the guy actually heard the CD, no indication of what the songs are like.  Like I've said before though, just because it's written vaguely and doesn't give any new information doesn't make it untrue.  Just that the guy obviously doesn't write reviews for a living.  I wouldn't call it a review.  More or less just a statement of hearing the album and liking what he heard.

The guy who made the review heard the CD from a Band members brother. supposedly.

Current band member, or member that worked on the album at some point?  If the latter is the case, then it's narrowed down to about 75 people.  : ok:

Current member ofcourse.

yeah I could've done without all the bashing of the old lineup. people tend to forget why we are all here

Yeah, the guy is entitled to his own opinions, nonetheless... whether or not those opinions are valid is debatable though.  Either way, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.  If he legitimately knows a GNR family member, then he definitely has a good reason for not disclosing anything about the album, other than that in his opinion it beats out old GNR.  Further, such a relationship to the band would sway one's opinions a little, wouldn't you say?  I hate the fact that there's a rivalry between Guns N' Roses and Velvet Revolver, but it's obvious that the new members would want to be able to outdo the old members.  Of course, they'd have the support from their families and friends.  Does anyone really think that someone who's a friend of a GNR member's family would say that VR is better or even just as good?  I don't think so.  Axl's band wants to prove that it's better than classic GNR.  That's why I feel they believe they are better and are sending out messages that they are better than the classic line up.

I am a long time GnR fan, most of the music I listen to however is Indie. Personally I thought VR Contraband was a manufactured thrown together piece of crap with absolutely no staying power, and I wanted it to be good. I have no bais, I love Slash, Duff and have no problem with Scott, I just thought it was a weak attempt.

Edit: I thought Scott's solo attempt was better than VR. I loved STP (for what they were... glam/grunge) and even bought Talk Show. Belive me if VR had any positive effect on me I would have sang it's praises, I just thought it was extremely lack-luster.

Here's the thing with the retail aspect of insiders. Until an album is actually ready for release, they dont know shit. There is nothing for them to know besides that, and thats a fact. If this phantom contact does know something, then CD is on the launch pad ready for an imminent release.

Obviously you don't read my posts too closely, eh?

The only thing that person has ever alerted me to is the fact THEY'VE been told to expect a Press Release from the GnR camp.  And that information has always come when OTHER people are hearing the same thing from OTHER places.

That's it.

And that's exactly the type of info I would expect would come out of the retail side of things....

this could be 100% true or 100% BS. in any cause we cant bash someone for saying anything like this. for one it seems true. if this guy seid in detail what the art work looked lke he would be fucked. or if he game any names he would be fuck up the ass. and what do you think the moment the album is done they just release it. some times albums are done a year before its out. it takes time to put the album in production. you cant make a million copys in a day. you have to have the first promo copys which are the official product befor its put in to production. this could vary well be true. i belive it in a way.

I believe our children are the future.

First of all I'm not saying that he has or has not heard the album, but what we do know from ads is that chinese democracy, the blues, and madagascar have been mastered (the boston ad in 2002). Who know's what songs axl is using and how much had to actually be mastered for the cd, he has been working on it for years now. This could be true of completely false, but there has been rumurs that the cd is done, with axl's listening sessions and what not. But in the end it comes down to the label and axl's word so who knows.

Yes, I read your posts Pilferk. You are a damn good poster. You always make your points well, and you can debate things without resorting to insults and other immature bullshit. I just think you should quit harping on this retail contact. They know nothing. You and several others have been talking about this "imminent" press release for going on 2 months now. All these sources need to go look up the word imminent in the dictionary. Its like I told Falcon in that John5 thread, all these people with "sources" are just going to keep guessing until they are finally right. The timetable on the imminent release ran out about 2 months ago. Time to take another guess.

Only By What your Definition of "Imminent" is.........

or Forthcoming....or Soon........

All in how you percieve the word..........last time I checked "Imminent" did not have a specific time

limit imposed upon it........


WARCHILD

hey Warchild. Haven't seen you in awhile. I havent been to mygnr in ages. Please enlighten me on what the word "imminent" means.

It's obviously been making the rounds, the leaks...Axl playing it to that band on their tour bus...the club listening party...once it goes to duplication and shipment it could leak - still waiting for that "official" date.

I have already bought the new album 3 days ago!
It`s true!!!!
It has 9 tracs.

Oh Ann. Ebay bootlegs do not count!

are you serious ? man we've been stuck here on this forum for so long we missed the release of the cd ! oh my !

you got ripped off, bizzle dizzle.

what tracks are on it ?? hmmmm

dear oh dear Ann - and where exactly did you buy it.  HMV?  think not!

I ahvent read all the pages here, but the original statement on page 1 - seems a little paint by numbers to me - its either an edited "review" (missing out track names or more info) or just a lie I reckon.  Either way - we're hearing new songs live that are blowing us away right now, thanks v much so I can wait as long as it takes for " imminent" to be a given.

Not to reply to a 4 month old topic or anything, but that "review" basically tells us nothing. It only stirs the fandom in all of us.

Anyhow ... I hope the real reviews will be so positive but ... well ... the Guns curse I guess.