Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Paul was a cool guitarist, but wasn't he the reason that Slash left? I mean, Axl brought in a new guitarist without consulting  him first and he got all pissed off, etc.

Anyway, why did Paul leave the band? Not that I'm saying I don't like Richard Fortus (he's cool as fuck!) but I was just wondering anyway.

problably either because he doesn't want to be big or the more likely scenario is that he was only used for writting because he's the absolutely worst guitarist this planet has seen :hihi:

"Pauly the Parrott" is the worst guitar play to ever be afilliated with the guns name. He has the stage presence of a mic stand and I won't even mention his playing.

Yes he is indeed one of the main reasons Slash left, that and musical differences b/t Slash and Axl. Pauly was the little bird on Axl's shoulder telling him he's always right, a proper "yes Madam" if you will.

Lets no forget he's the reason MAtt got fired as well, and asit was said b/f he's G n' R's Yoko Ono.

paul wanted matt back in the band.... i think most of us are blaming paul by the cover..... and if salash left because of paul, isnt that a ltittle weird? and pauls work on Sympathy For The Devil is cool! you cant say he ruined the GNR songs....

poor, poor guy... and he was walking about and rocking out alittle, but remeber! it was his 4/5 show! i would be nervous as hell playing for such a big crowd so early in my carrier!!! who of you woudlnt? so if you give the band slack cuz of fucking up songs and going out of breath, do it for the whole band, not just the "cool" ones...

He got Sorum fired? Why?

the roumur has it to matt said something bad to paul and paul said it to axl and then axl fired him... then on hs way out (matt ) paul came running after wanting him back... and matt said, "i cant, axl fired me"

but matt is too good a drummer to be fired for that reason! as far as i know axl and matt came well along, right?

Paul Tobias talked a lot of shit about Slash behind his back. Matt Sorum didn't approve and defended Slash..and threw couple bad words towards Paul.....you know, the soup was ready...it was Matt's time to leave them band.

I remember something that Matt said "I couldn't let to Paul trash mouth about Slash when he wasn't even around" something like that...it is in some article, maybe someone will remember it.

no Matt when up to Axl to complain about Paul then Axl fired him.

I'd complain about Paul if he were in my band ... and we're no Guns N' Roses ...

I don't know enough about Huge to make a comment. He has been around Guns since the beginning though (he was in the AFD cover 'thanks').

Matt is pissed at Axl and Guns, that much is obvious. So maybe his accounts aren't entirely accurate. Who knows? Fact stands, Paul was in Guns, now he isn't. For a novice he held it together pretty damn well at RIR. Especially when you consider he was on stage with some serious veterans, and top notch players from top notch bands.

I wonder if he was even plugged in. His solo in Rocket Queen was pretty atrocious.

Matt getting fired didn't happen at the same time as the argument between him, Paul, and Axl.  It was later on.

(By the way, I'll bet Paul is a better guitarist than anyone on this board.)

I don't know there are a lot of members here.

I doubt it ...  I have a feeling there are at least a couple kick-ass guitarists here ... I know I've picked up some great help for my playing from this board.

He's certainly not as bad as people make out. I dont think he is bad at all....

but yea, I'm better. :)  Saying that, someone said Pauls playing on SFTD was brilliant... but I have to say... he played very little on that track.  Most of the guitars are Slash's and the parts Paul played are very simple.  In fact most of the main stuff he played was the stupid mirroring of Slash's lead.

That pissed Slash off, because Axl was like, lets do SFTD, Slash had decided it was a bad idea, but what the hell... it will get the band in the studio again... who turns up?  Slash, Duff, and Matt.  No Axl.  And then Axl went in and brought Paul in, without anyone's consent, and recorded all these parts without any consultation with Slash or the band.  Slash said he argued quite a lot about that and how Axl had agreed not to bring anything like that up again without the other members consent.  Of course, it was already on its way down at that point.

No Dizzy...

this is a Slash quote

"... and the next thing you know, there's this "answer" guitar going on during my guitar solo! It's Paul Huge! I will probably never forgive Axl for that."

Those echoed solo parts are Paul Huge.

As I said.

My mistake!   :-[

I'm not to big afan of him.

Don't know too much about him, seemed okay to me though he was just one of the few that stuck with Axl, didn't he co-write Back Off Bitch? If he did im guessing Slash must of already known him it won't of been like Axl brought a total stranger in

"Back Off Bitch"

(Huge / Rose)

Paul Huge a.k.a. Paul Tobias.

Paul Tobias was a fuckin? bad guitarrist.
I bet I?m a better guitarr player than him.
And If he is one of the reasons of why slash left, I HATE HIM MORE.
Fuck,  and the reason of why was matt fierd, god!
well he isnt in axl?s cover band any more, haha.

As much as I love Slash and Matt, I can' t tell that Paul is a bad guitarist... just watch and listen RIR3... he is doin'  good job there. And remmember that he is just rhytm guitarist not lead...

just what are you stating that on? have  you heard his original work? have you heard him play outside RIR3? and MAYBE the las vegas thingie... didnt thikn so.. so dont call him a bad guitarist based on 1 or 2 shows... right?

But he's not a good guitarist/musician.  Maybe he can play other people's stuff ok, but he's obviously not that talented or we'd have heard more about him.  The amount of things he could've done with Axl as his best friend and the best thing he can come up with is Back Off Bitch?

he has been in GUNS N ROSES.... we havent heard too much about that band in the last ten years, so they all must be taletelss...  how do you know that he hasnt written anything for GNR the last years? you DONT.... its like i say buckethead is gay 'cuz i havent seen him with a girl...

Um....no it's not.

We have proof that all the members/ex members/brief members of GN'R are talented except for Huge.  NIN, Praxis, Buckethead, The Replacements, Tool etc..

The only thing we've heard from Huge is that he might be about to start a band with the brothers from STP and in the news article he is "Ex Guns N' Roses" when he played on one song that nobody (minus Axl) thought was good.

If he can play guitar and write songs then why doesn't he have his own band, or why isn't he in GN'R?  How many guitarists has Axl gone through?  If Huge was as good as people like, Wylde, Buckethead et al then people would have heard of him.

Another fly on the wall who knew exactly what went down! :hihi:

His Guitar work wasn't bad, but I don't think he was ever really a member of GNR. I think Axl even said this, he was basicly a fill in until they found the third guitarist.

Paul and Matt never got along, and the only thing I've ever heard about him was Slash saying he just didn't like him from the moment he met him. I've never heard or read anything that he did that made him a dick. He did say something about Slash after Slash left, Matt said something back to him. Axl fired him. Paul tried to talk Matt into coming back into the studio and he didn't. That's the basics of how Matt was fired according to Matt.

i know a really good guitarist, but he isnt famous! what kind of crock is taht?!? he doesnt want to be... you know that paul wanted to be in GNR 'til they started touring, so he did...

and can you really say that RIR3 was bad? i mean, the whole band didnt sound at its best, but tobias was not bad!

and since buckethead is maybe the best guitarist now, why isnt he world famous? CUZ HE DOESNT WANT TOO!! 99%of the people dont know who BH is... unless i tell then....  so your argument is abselutely stupid, miz... back it up alittle more..

Show me an example of his talent.

well, Sypathy For The Devil... is paul's playing there THAT bad? and show an example on how incredible bad of an player he is then... RIR3 wasnt bad either... im not saying he is GREAT! im saying he is better than what most people say he is!

Well, it's not exactly what i'd call good guitar playing, I mean, I could do that, and i'm not good by any stretch of the imagination.  I'm not saying he's actually crap, I'm just saying he's not good.

okey... but we actualy dont know if he might be an kick ass player... you can play 99% of slash's rythm guitar and songs without beeing too good...

GNR is better without that asshole

I recall reading an interview with Duff in which  he had talked about pauly huge. I remember him saying something on the lines of "Then Axl brings in this guy (Pauly) and he can't even play".

Has anybody else read this interview?

Nevertheless I still believe pauly is a fucking horrible guitar player. He's a fucking snake in the grass, he proved that with his little stunt he and Axl pulled with SFD.  

 

Exactly.  Duff saying Huge sucks is more than enough proof for me.

Yes, I remember reading that quote before. A while back someone on another board posted a bunch of quotes from Slash, Duff, Gilby, and Matt and not one of them seemed to be fond of Paul. There was this general consensus that they didn't need him and he wasn't that good of a guitarist to begin with. It's very obvious that Paul was only there because Axl wanted him to be there.

Paul probably sucks as a guitarist, but he was brought in for song-writing help for Axl.  Without Izzy, 90's GN'R would sound like Snakepit, and if you feel that those two albums are great than we just have different tastes in music.

there you got capitan pal!!every body here says he bad as fuck as a guitarist.RIR didnt suck, but Paul screwed it up a bit just because of being there.And then you have Slash,Duf and Matt saying how bad he is.
SO there you have my argument

Come on Captain Pal, answer to that!!
Try to argue again.Try to come up with another excuse to defend him

ah christ...

its not like im defending this guy...
all i say is that dont jugde the guy unless you know them! and you cant judge if paul is a bad player.


now, if we are suposed to go with that duff said he sucked, OK. then we have to go for all the stupid things said against slash and axl and duff and the others!!

slash refused to work with GNR says axl. so i guess slash killed GNR then.

all you guys can argue with is that duff, who didnt like the guy personaly, didnt like his playing.

but i dont really give a fuck what you guys think.  :peace:

Captain Pal:
I apologise by the way I said that: come on try!!
I was a bit pissed off...
well...
lets not give a shit about this paul guy anymore...

Hey,

Got a few things to say

1) His name is Paul TOBIAS, not Paul HUGE. For those people who consequently call him HUGE, that is disrespectful. It is probably the same thing as calling Axl William Bailey (and, no, Axl's real name is William Rose). TOBIAS is his mothers maiden name while HUGE probably is his fathers name. He changed the name because he has something against that name so let's be adults and not call him HUGE.

2) Yes, he did write "Back Off Bitch". And I saw at least one comment that "couldn't he have written anything better?" Let's not forget that "Back Off Bitch" was probably written back in Lafayette. It's old as hell and it might be the oldest GnR song. Axl was 18 when writing it which means Tobias was probably 17. If age means something (which I think it does), it was not all that bad. Hell, people say that song could've been on Appetite and would've strengthened the album! And Appetite is the best rock album ever.

3) About the Matt incident: Does anyone think of who of those two members were more important? It's obvious that it was Paul. He's gonna get songwriting credits on CD. For those of you who heard Matt's solo debut, you know it sucked. For the rest, I just quote his song "The blame game" and you will see how awful the lyrics were "I blame you, you blame me, he blames her, she blames him". Pointless crap. It went right to the trash for my part.

4) And about Slash/Paul: Someone needed a vision for the band. Slash wanted to do "It's Five O' Clock Somewhere" as GnR. That would have destroyed the band (I state that as a fact). Axl didn't want to do that and he needed people to write with him. That's where Paul fit in.

*Shudders*

That with the GNR name on - it wouldn't have shifted 10 copies....

Exactly... there's really few who realise that and think about it. That was what Slash, Matt and Gilby wanted to do. Duff, Dizzy and Axl disagreed. It was no one-man show, like the press like to paint the picture. People have their role and Axl is the bad guy., and then he get all the shit. I think he did the right thing and choosing from Matt and Paul was easy too. Axl couldn't keep them both in the band.

And come on those of you who say that Duff left because of Paul. Duff fuckin' was in the band till 1997! Paul joined in 1993. Duff was into the creation of the new album for a long time. Duff didn't dislike Paul that much, and he left because he didn't want to do it anymore. And he was getting a daughter too.

Paul Tobias Is An Ass Hole.. And He Can't Play Guitar, He Is Axl's Little Bitch..

And as  some once said: "Back Off, Back Off Bitch"

:hihi: Yeah That's Right!

.

Wow...theres nothing more puzzling than a Paul Tobias fan.  Exactly what is it that makes one a Paul Tobias fan?  Are you floored by his playing in "Sympathy For The Devil"?  Stunned by his role in writing "Back Off Bitch"?  Or just impressed by his live work?  I ask in seriousness, because I dont get it.  All of the guys in the new GNR have some kind of body of work one could point to, even if theyre just concealing the fact that theyre fans only because of the Axl affiliation - which I suspect is the case here.  "If hes okay with Axl, hes okay with me" - seems to be the general mentality with most hardcore Axl fans.

I stick up for him coz i didnt see anything wrong with him.. and everyone tears him down for no fucking reason at all...

the mentality is "If hes not cool with Slash, Matt, Duff, then hes not cool with me"

exactly as you kind of pointed out... his work was not that big on SFTD or the 4 Live shows he did... you should have no reason to love him or hate him... He works full time as an engineer and worked on the album to help his friend.. nothing more. nothing less...

He seemed like a nice guy on stage and seemed proud to be playing the opening notes on PC in Rio..

no need to hate him coz Matt and Duff do... no reason to love him coz Axl Rose does..

Id rather the old members dont air thier dirty laundry in the press about him. Hes just a guy with a famous as fuck friend who plays rock n roll for a hobby..

Well, no.  People tear him down for his role in tearing apart the band, and because they dont like his playing.  

Secondly, Im not asking why you stick up for him, Im asking why you would want to "bring back Paul Huge".


I doubt people hate him, but they dont care for him, dont appreciate his "contributions" to the band and dont want to see him in the band.


Judging from Duff and Matts stories (and others), he was a little more and a factor in the bands falling apart.


 :confused:

Well, that settles it.  He seems like a nice guy, and seems proud to play?!  I guess all the criticism is undeserved then, he really should be in GNR because he looks like a nice guy.


Its not hate, and its not because of Matt and Duff.  Its because he hasnt done anything to actually be a fan of, and has done a lot more bad for the band than good.


Theyre just being honest.

 
Guys who play rock n' roll for a hobby shouldnt be using their famous friends to slide their way into the worlds greatest rock band.  His presence was obviously not wanted by the rest of the band, but because its Axls friend, youve gotta defend him.  His role seems very Yoko Ono-ish to me.  Claiming constantly that he should be brought back, thats irrational.

Is it possible that Axl asked his friend to play guitar on a track and Paul agreed to help his friend out?

"Hey Paul, we don't have a rhythm guitarist at the moment, could you play on this track?"

Do you think Duff, Matt and Slash were at the studio telling him "Hey Paul, get the fuck out of here. We don't like you being here."?

As always, we haven't heard Paul's side of the story. We've heard about this mostly from people who left or were fired. Axl's side of the story mentions how Paul was there to write.

In case you've forgotten it, when GN'R went out on tour Paul was replaced by Richard..... Whatever the reason is, he didn't tour with the band. Is it possible that this was the idea?



/jarmo

Its possible, in which case that would be Axls fault since he was making uch decisions without the consent of the band, even sneaking him onto tracks without the others knowledge.  

So it might be a little unfair to place such blame squarely on Tobias, but the point remains that he simply didnt belong.  And stories from Matt and Duff suggest that he wasnt completely innocent in all of this, either.


Dont know...From the sounds of it, they werent in the studio with him much.  But do I think they wanted him in the band?  Absolutely not.  But who cares what they think, its gotta be Axls way.


So is their story any less valid because they quit/were fired.  If Paul was a part of the reason they left, it only makes sense that they give their accounts the way they did.  If Matt was pissed about Paul disrespecting Slash and told him so, is he supposed to change the story to make Paul look good?


Well if Paul was just there to write, its odd that hes playing on "SFTD" and doing live shows (and he played on "OMG" too, right?).


I dont know why he was replaced, but I know that 1) Im glad he was and 2) he did play live a few times with the band - he seemed like a member at the time.

Like I said, I dont want to necessarily paint Tobias as a bad guy, but by most accounts, however innocent he might have been, his presence in GNR was a problem.  Maybe thats Axls fault, but thats just how it is.  So in the long run, it appears hes done more harm than good.  Thats all.  And if theres any reason that one would call themselves a fan of the guy, Id honestly like to hear it.  

first, why the fuck didn't they use gilby on sftd, he was still jamming with slash and them at the time??? second, how can a guy walk into a band and join them without the bands blessing if you will?? he can never have felt welcome so why didn't he stay back??

i do think it's a bit different with him joining i concert, although he has the stage presence as a mic stand as someone stated earlier, if that was needed for the gig happening... but again, why the fuck didn't they have him step in at rir4??

got to give the fucker credit tho, it takes some serious balls fucking with a guitar legends guitar parts :confused:

Well, probably because Axl was around and allways watching everything and I can?t imagine what would have hapened if Axl had entered the studio and watched Gilby with the rest of the band recording.
"Hey guy how are you...?what???!!! what is this asshole doing in my stuio playing withy my band, get the hell out of here!!!!!!"
Yes it is posible,indeed.But Paul can?t have been a "little help" from 1994 to 2001, in wich he was considered as a band member.....

Those people have no idea what happened and are just taking Duff and Slash's word as fact... yourself included.
If you dont like his playing fine. but I dont think you have heard enough of it to judge. You can hear him on ONE fucking show and that was his BIGGEST one yet.  SFTD? its not an original song and he didnt write that music. but the song sounds fucking great. Go ahead and say its shit or its only great coz of Slash or what ever lame ass excuse you want to make to tear the man down..

I dont want to bring him back. I like Richard. I just put that there to show support for the man and to say that if he were ever back on stage with the band I would support it coz I saw nothing wrong with his work...

Why not?? We have no idea what his "contributions" to the band were. If Slash or Duff would have never said anyting bad about him you wouldnt either...

There you go... judging from only Matt and Duff's Storys..  Matt was fired...

Duff stayed the longest with Axl while Paul was helping or "filling" in so Duff obviously didnt have too much of a problem as he stayed about 4 years with the two...


I never said that.. Stop trying make somthing out of nothing..I made an observation about him from the only Video of him playing on stage.... and hes not in GnR...

you are sooo backwards... If Matt and Duff had never said anything bad about him you wouldnt either...
you say "he hasnt done anyting to actually be a fan of"
so that in turn would also say he hasnt done anything to actually dislike him for either... what? one show?? you have seen him in one show...

"hes done a lot more bad for the band than good"
How the fuck would you know??  Honestly why would you say somthing that fucking stupid? I read the majority of your posts coz for the most part they are intelligent and backed up with facts or your opinions and thoughts on why.. but why would you say this??

you have no idea what your fucking talking about here...
With out him you wouldnt have ANY of the 2001 RIO or Vegas shows..


you dont know that... you dont know them... you dont know Paul Huge.. your choosing to belive the ex members
 
I dont think he did.. Hes not in the band.. he never was.. he helped his friend.. If he wanted to be in the band and be on tour HE WOULD BE IN THE BAND

Thats very hipocritical of them and you to say since his presence has been there since day FUCKING ONE... read the linear notes for AFD.

no i told you why i defend him...

oh geee where did you hear that one?? now your taking Matt Sorums comment as your own??? how kewl...

I have never said he sould be brought back unless they need a fill in guitarist.. like as it seems right now,  I like Richard Fortus.. he fucking rocks...

The only thing irrational is the fact that you have given no reason of your own to dislike him..

Its Matts story, Duffs story, and its essentially become common knowledge...

"In 1996, everything fell apart when Rose, allegedly acting like an angry dictator, insisted on including childhood friend Paul Huge on recording sessions. Clarke was shut out of the group, while the tension between Rose and Slash reached its breaking point over the final cut of the band?s cover of ?Sympathy for the Devil.? Rose had replaced original cuts with those of Huge without consent from the band." - Rollingstone.com

"The source also hinted that one of the so-far-unreported factors leading to the split between Axl and Slash is the presence of longtime Axl friend Paul Huge during the Guns recording sessions. Huge, a boyhood friend of the mercurial singer from Indiana, who received co-writing credit on the Guns last proper album, 1991's Use Your Illusion I on the song "Back Off Bitch," has reportedly been tapped as Rose's writing partner for the new album, although to everyone "except Axl" it's unclear if he's a full-fledged member of the band. According to the source, Huge's presence didn't sit well with Slash, who reportedly has "creative and personal" differences with the latest Rose writing collaborator, which played a part in his decision to leave the band "for now, because you never know with these guys." - Addicted To Noise

Are all these guys lying?  Or is it just how things went down?  If Matt and Duff both say the Huge was a negative force for them, theyre being honest.  Theres obviously something there, and since Paul caused those feelings, theres no doubt that hes been more harmful to the band than helpful.  

"There is a funny story to "Sympathy...". When the movie came out (in the US) a couple of months ago, Geffen called and said, "Could you do us a favor?" That movie coming out was a big issue for me, because the books ("The Vampire trilogy" by Anne Rice) were great. They have a real kind of passion in there --a sort of dark romanticism - and I'm a real heavy-duty, old time vampire horror movie freak. And it was like Tom Cruise AND Brad Pitt? No fuckking way!
   So I got this call saying would we do "Sympathy For The Devil" for the movie. I thought, "well okay, maybe it'll be a vehicle to get the band back together and get the wheels in motion for some pre-production stuff." So I went to the screening in one of those stiff theatres full of showbiz fucking suits, and I'm half asleep! I'm not having a good time, and I couldn't just get up and leave, so I was trying to be cool. I started smoking some cigarettes, which is not something you're meant to do in an LA cinema... it's like murder! So I got up and left before the lights went out. I have to say Tom Cruise did the best he could, but the film's laughable to me. The Stones' version of the song was playing in the same place ours was meant to be. Anyway, I got up and went home. I called Doug (Goldstein) and said, "Leave it: the Stones' version's fine. There's no need to do a song that doesn't need to be redone."
   Then Axl went to see the film the next day, and it's inevitable that he likes it and comes out of the movie completely at odds with me! It just goes with the territory - I love this singer/lead guitarist relationship in bands... it's just f**king stupid! So Axl went and saw it and said he loved it. He was ecstatic. "Let's do the song!" he says. So I said "okay".
   We show up at the studio... who shows up? Matt, Duff and I. That was it. Paul Huge came in with Axl a couple of days later. While we were doing it (recording the song), we had to write down how many bars each section was, because without vocals you don't know where the next change is going to come. But we got it done and the guitar solos on and everything, and then Axl went in to do vocals... and the next thing you know, there's this "answer" guitar going on during my guitar solo! It's Paul Huge! I will probably never forgive Axl for that. But we talked about it. We made a deal that if Paul ever plays on anything, then I should at least be told first, because it really took me off guard. I wasn't there when he did it.
   Axl likes the song. I haven't listened to it since it was mixed. It's not like it was lousy guitar playing or anything; I think it's how it went down. If people like it, then fine. I haven't gone to see the movie again again because I don't think I could bear it." - Slash (Kerrang! 1995)

Now Slash is being somewhat diplomatic about it because he was still in the band at that time, but its obvious that Huges presence was causing problems, even if it was really Axls fault for the most part.  Simple as that.  

I feel for Slash,  He didnt really want to do the song and then when he did and it was not what he wanted and done with no input from him then i can see why he would say "fuck this'...

I feel for Paul, Axl asked him to do something and still 8 years later people wont forgive or forget that he was only doing a friend a favor..


Thanks for digging those up by the way......

Yeah...I'm sure thats all that happened.  Slash, Duff and Matt don't like him just because he played on Sympathy for the Devil?


Sure, if my friend who happened to be in the most famous band in the world happened to ask me to play guitar on a track, i'd jump at the chance.
If the lead guitarist and the bassist who were both founding members in said band then told me my playing was crap and they didn't want it on their material, I would totally respect that.
And i'd take Steven Adler over Sorum any day of the week, but if my friend fired Matt Sorum because he didn't like the way the band was run, or me, and spoke his mind, then I wouldn't stand back and let it happen...I'd talk some sense into my friend who'd 'just asked me for a favour'...

But I guess i'm just fucked up.

you talk about it like you know what happened .. get real... more "I hate Paul coz slash and duff said he broke the band up"....

 :drool:

Ok, I know most of you guys don't like the song, but I do. Oh My God was Axl/Paul, if I'm not wrong, and I love this song. I know, there's not that much to hear what Paul play in this tune (I guess that licks after the solo and before the final "oh my god, I can't deny this..."), but I'm sure he co-wrote the whole thing.
About SFTD, I really like his "mirror guitar". I think it's cool and, IMO, way better than anything Gilby did in TSI.
About the gigs he did: he bring back most of the guitar work that Izzy made back in AFD. And that's was really nice to me, 'cause I hate when I hear Rocket Queen with Gilby and his lazy playing with just power chords. Of course I would like to hear Izzy, but as he's not in the band anymore, I like what Paul did.
But, of course I like more Richard than Paul... But you know, 90% of Fortus work in the new songs are wrote by Paul, even if he did improve this parts.
I'm with kockstar99 and Captain Pal. Altought he's not that good guitar player, he's better than Gilby and he did bring back the elaborate rhythm guitar work to GNR.

Indeed...seeing as you can't spell 'guitar'  ::)


Dude, are you on smokes?! Izzy never did any elaborate guitar work! And Gilby's been quoted as saying he played Izzy's stuff and then some extra stuff that the band liked...so explain that to me! And to add to that, I'd like to see you learn 40 songs in 2 weeks and then go on a fully sold-out world tour with the biggest rock band in the world...

Gilby's a kickass player as well...and had done notably more gigs and played some of his own material (which was good stuff) before he joined Guns.

wow, man! i never meant he was better than Gilby! Gilby is THE man :D

what i meant was that everybody hated Pauls playing even before they heard him....

but Paul aint a bad guitarist either.. he is better than me  : ok:

Oh my god!!!One fucking r is that bad??I was  writing fast guy, and If I  con spel guitar right, so what?

What??I highly doubt it

I don't hate him...I don't know him...I just don't like what I think he did to GN'R.  I don't think he singlehandedly broke up GN'R...Guns N' Roses destroyed Guns N' Roses...but Paul Tobias didn't help to fix Guns N' Roses, or contribute anything particularly constructive.  Ok, he played some extra bits in the SFTD solo which I think are pretty cool.  Whether I liked it or not is however irrelevant.  It pissed Slash off.  Slash left GN'R because Axl did things behind his back.  Like bringing in a guitar player who SLASH, DUFF AND MATT THOUGHT WAS CRAP.

All three have commented on Tobias.  All three didn't like his playing, and questioned his ability.  Gilby got screwed because of this guy.

I don't know what happened, other than what the former memebers have said in interviews (Axl has never disputed any of the things they've said about Tobias), but I do know what Slash, Duff and Matt thought of Paul Tobias...and that is enough for me to judge him.  There is no reason for them to lie about it.

that sounds fair and are good reasons... no argument here...

Um... I would not consider myself a PT fan. You're right that there's no reason to be. But considering the fact that Axl kicked Matt and not Paul - as long as considering Axl a rational person - I think it's clear that PT was way more important. That's also backed up by the fact that Tobias can really write music, which Matt really, really can't.

Other than that, it's cool to see this discussion taking place in a good way. Just wanna add that Gilby wasn't fired, he finished his contract and wanted to continue, but didn't get to. That was because of Axl, but Axl did it because Gilby would not be capable of taking over Izzy's role. And Slash wouldn't too. Or Duff.

Izzy never did any elaborate guitar work? Wow, so I guess I'm on smokes, 'cause I heard a wonderful job in Rocket Queen, One In A Million... Did you heard those songs with onle the left speak on? You should try...
BTW, you can pick any RQ with Izzy and with Gilby and don't tell me that Gilby didn't throw out all the rhythm work that Izzy wrote. That's what Paul Tobias did: he learned the Izzy parts and played like him.
I dunno about Gilby skills in his solo albuns, I just heard a couple of songs. He sure did a great job when he learned 40 songs in 2 weeks, but it seems that he had to simplify some songs to learn faster. But, after one year, he should try to learn some songs better...
On a side note: I'm not trying to be better than Paul, Gilby or Izzy. I can play those guys parts, but they wrote that songs and I didn't (neither Gilby).

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Exactly, how can you expect any guitarrist to learn 40 songs in two weeks perfectly?

Yeah, you  are richt in that one

 

Paul kicks ass...end of story...he was there to help axl as a friend,on a professional level and was there at rio so we could all see a gnr comeback show....

All the speculation about Paul (through the years) on this thread is a joke. I'll read it closer, but from I saw, it's nothing but misinformed specualtion, no truth.

Paul is awesome - I have been following his work since the late 80's and have never been disappointed once with his musical talent. He is also a hell of a guy along with the other Mank Rage guys. Listen to his work here... www.mankrage.net (http://www.mankrage.net). The songs are older - from the early to mid 1990's and they are awesome. They have only gotten better over the years and when the time is right -- their CD will be on the shelves. His talent speaks for itself.

Crazy thing is that, since Paul did a lot of studio work for GNR, very few people know who they are hearing on a track. You praise one song thinking it isn't him and it is. You bash a song thinking it is him... and it's not even him. Until you have facts to back up your statements, save yourself the stress and drama.

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right on girl..wellspoken/typed...they keep rehashing the same s#@t...these new tracks have paul all over them, and they praise the guitar work and bash paul. he can play you f$#@$%g idiots, get over it. listen to the first snakepit record..now imagine it released as gnr...now go ahead and puke and get over it...like i said b4...if you are an axl fan then you are a paul fan..if he indeed had the power to break up one of the biggest bands of all time, then i would like to have some of that voodoo.

someone help me out here please?...i recall a quote from axl about paul where axl stated that if it wasn't for paul, there wouldn't be a gnr. do any of you fans or bashers of paul recall this quote?
all of the gnr fans owe paul a thank you  for stepping up to the plate and accepting axl's offer to work with him...as far as that offer goes... do you think axl would have made the offer if he wasn't confident about paul's talent and capability as a creative force as a songwriter and guitarist?
axl is not a fool who would make such an offer to someone to work with based on friendship alone...after all, this is big business, and axl knows the business.i also think that paul would have refused the offer if he hadn't felt up to it. we are talking mutual respect here between two music artists.
fans will be fans... and bashers will be ignorant... enuff said for now

I dont think that paul is Yoko Ono for GNR . the band had problems before he join them , and its realy anfair to blaim paul for Problems that GNR had in those years.

Agreed. I do like the song as well. IMO It's a bit unfairly pooped-on, partly because it was the first GNR song released with only Axl from the original lineup. I wager that if it would've leaked around the same time as Better and TWAT, the response (as well as the song itself, likely) would've been different.

Agreed. I guess if Rhiad and OMG were leaked this year (without being previous released/played live), people would get a better response...

My post is more than two years old, but I stand in my opinion.. Paul brought an excelent work and I guess people will see this once the album be released.

I think Paul was cool on Rock in Rio3,he did the Rocket Queen solo pretty well great vibe on that show. : ok:

I think he handled it great.....how many people were at rio 3? ..he certainly did not run scared or hide behind his amp.......although I have video of him puking onstage....lol

..........just kidding..... :beer:

I guess 200.000 fellow brazilians were watching Paul.. Also, there was the live broadcast on TV (3 channels, one open) here in Brazil... I don't think it's easy, but I didn't see any major fuck ups from him. The mix didn't help him, but his guitar work in The Blues was almost everything what Richard plays now - so, I guess he's the writer and did an amazing job, BTW.