Importance of Buckethead in GN'R

[grog mug]

I know Buckethead is great and I'm one of his biggest fans, but he really is passing up an oppurtunity. Buckethead and Axl Rose can be the greatest combination in music history if they just stuck together and wrote music. I mean listen to Madagascar, Buckethead and Axl even go as far as playing guitar together at RIR3 during this song. Buckethead had solo's on GN'R's tours that blew people away, and I think this trend of Buckethead in GN'R should continue. I miss him already and GN'R hasn't done anything as far as putting anything new out there on the market. So Buckethead, get with Axl man you all need to work things out and promote Chinese Democracy together. Remember when Axl gave you Leatherface for Christmas?  The guy really does care about you.  I realize there is going to be mixed responses.  I figured since the album is on its way, they should promote there years of work together and stick it out. I know some other people have to agree with me...maybe some kind of letter can be issued about the importance of Buckethead in GN'R, hell I don't know what to do.

[SLCPUNK]

Deep down I hope that they work it out. But Axl needs him more than he needs Axl (putting on flame suit now).

[Stupid Head]

Deep down I hope that they work it out. But Axl needs him more than he needs Axl (putting on flame suit now).

Nah, if CD is released it will do well with or without Buckethead. With Axl, Buckethead could rise above his current cult status and become a fully fledged guitar hero.

[SADIS]

Well, I hope that dork stays the hell out of GNR.

They don't need someone who looks that stupid. Come on man, it ain't SlipKnot. Maybe he will do better in that group of ?berdorks. Just get a guitar player that looks like he fits with the rest, it's not that hard right? And Tommy also said he was glad ButtocksCrack left, so even GNR sees that they are better of without him.

And yeah, I do hate Bucketwhack with all my heart. Just an opinion though.....

[Eazy E]

With Axl, Buckethead could rise above his current cult status and become a fully fledged guitar hero.

And as a full fledged guitar hero, think of how popular his solo work would be!!  It seems like the guy really didn't have his heart set in GN'R, they're probably better off without him.

[jellyhead]

Do any of you guys remember when Slash left GN'R?  Now that meant something.  Don't get me wrong Bucket was cool but what with the constant open door policy that GNR has it's getting harder to care about who is actually in the current line-up.

[ppbebe]

grog mug, mate. I agree with everything you said and I don?t think we can do anything.
Axl must have thought the same.

I guess BH doesn?t enjoy doing what some people hate. He is not trying to be big, just want to amuse people with his music. 

I don?t know what those hatred born of.

[norway]

grog mug, mate. I agree with everything you said and I don?t think we can do anything.
Axl must have thought the same.

I guess BH doesn?t enjoy doing what some people hate. He is not trying to be big, just want to amuse people with his music.?

I don?t know what those hatred born of.

He was blamed for the rio cancel, to bad he had to leave, great playa and added to the magic,
 we have his other projects at least and his stuff on the upcoming cd

[Saul]

Buckethead and Axl woulda/coulda been the next Axl/slash , Joe Perry/Steve Tyler etc etc .. think of the videos?!

But I think the door is totally closed on a return now in lieu of Tommy Stinsons asinine remarks. But fuck Tommy anyways .. he can get back to me when he makes and sells as many albums as a solo artist that Buckethead has. 

[nesquick]

Buckethead and Axl woulda/coulda been the next Axl/slash , Joe Perry/Steve Tyler etc etc .. think of the videos?!

No, never. BH can be easily replaced. He is a shredder like another one. He had nothing special.

[Saul]

Buckethead and Axl woulda/coulda been the next Axl/slash , Joe Perry/Steve Tyler etc etc .. think of the videos?!

No, never. BH can be easily replaced. He is a shredder like another one. He had nothing special.

And that sir is just your opinion as my post was only my opinion. 

[Budweiser Froggs]

i liked bucko a lot but after he left, i realized that he really didnt fit into guns too well. ?the star wars solo and toys were all cool, but kinda gay. ?finck and fortus kick ass tho

[TK1]

I guess we'll have to see what Bucket contributed when the album comes out assuming his parts stay.  But, in my opinion, they will be fine without him.  I'll admit, he's an intriguing player, but to me, he's just a shredder as well.  I know he can play about anything and is very technically skilled, but after awhile, I get tired of him, or any shredder, just trying to play as fast as they can.  I think it starts to sound a little annoying after awhile.  It's not his playing ability I doubt as much as his writing ability.  Just my opinion! 

[Falcon]

But I think the door is totally closed on a return now in lieu of Tommy Stinsons asinine remarks. But fuck Tommy anyways .. he can get back to me when he makes and sells as many albums as a solo artist that Buckethead has.?

DISCLAIMER:? I dug BH's inclusion in GNR.

But...

Wait a minute here, Tommy Stinson is a highly respected musician who's been out there doing it for 25 fucking years.? His reputation is unquestionable and he's undoubtedly the most credible new member of GNR.

As far as he Stinson getting back to you "when he makes and sells as many albums as a solo artist that Buckethead has",? I believe BH has probably made more albums than he's actually sold....

[GNROSAS]

Buckethead was Great for the NewGNR...
Maybe when the tour starts he will be back.
Buckethead Fuckin Rules.

[Saul]

DISCLAIMER:? I dug BH's inclusion in GNR.

But...

Wait a minute here, Tommy Stinson is a highly respected musician who's been out there doing it for 25 fucking years.? His reputation is unquestionable and he's undoubtedly the most credible new member of GNR.

Tommy was totally out of the game for near 10 years , down and out and selling toner ink cartridges over the phone. He wasnt out there "doing it" then ... Buckethead has been recording non stop for himself and other peoples album since the very early 90's .. he has released and/or appeared on over 100 studio albums. Unlike Tommy in the replacements , Bucketheads music wasnt written for him like Westenberg did and instructed for Stinson. And unlike Tommy Bucketheads music isnt 3 chords downstrummed "hey ho , lets go!" punk rock. 

As far as he Stinson getting back to you "when he makes and sells as many albums as a solo artist that Buckethead has",? I believe BH has probably made more albums than he's actually sold....

Bucketheads albums usually sell as much as they print/make copies of. Being on small independent labels and having to promote your albums by word of mouth and touring isnt really easy but he still sells enough to keep going and afford him the luxury of making more albums. Bucketheads fanbase is loyal and they/we support him no matter what. I'm sure Tommys fanbase is loyal too and I guess VGH is selling well ..I dunno. I still stand by my point that Buckethead is 100x more prolific at writing and recording then Stinson will ever be.

Personally I would just like to know what Buckethead did to irk so many bad comments from tommy when nobody else in the band has said anything about Buckethead in an ill light , other then dizzy saying he was out of the band?

p.s. I doubt VGH has sold as many copies as Monsters and Robots.

p.p.s , I'm not trying to argue with or flame you .. just backing up my boy Buckethead! Peace! 

[Falcon]

p.p.s , I'm not trying to argue with or flame you .. just backing up my boy Buckethead! Peace!?

No problem, I understand where you're coming from although in the pantheon of rock music, Stinson is just about as respected as they come...

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Buckethead isn't a guitarist who you can just go out and replace and have someone else play his parts.  He's a person who makes music that takes a degree of skill to play that most people just don't have and his style is also unique and tough to imitate. 

The people who say they're glad he left the band because they didn't like his image are being superficial, the man is a genius when it comes to creating music and his talent is higher than almost anyone else out there.

The problem with Buckethead may have been something to do with chemistry, he churns out solo albums regularly but some people have a hard time creating music with others.  Buckethead is a very eccentric person obviously so maybe the chemistry just wasn't there. 

[ShotgunBlues1978]

I guess we'll have to see what Bucket contributed when the album comes out assuming his parts stay.? But, in my opinion, they will be fine without him.? I'll admit, he's an intriguing player, but to me, he's just a shredder as well.? I know he can play about anything and is very technically skilled, but after awhile, I get tired of him, or any shredder, just trying to play as fast as they can.? I think it starts to sound a little annoying after awhile.? It's not his playing ability I doubt as much as his writing ability.? Just my opinion!?

Just a shredder?  Check out the Electric Tears album.  That's as far from just a shredder as anyone can get.  Very subdued and surreal. 

[metallex78]

While I'm a fan of Slash's more bluesy style than Buckets shredding, there's no doubt Bucket can really f**king play some mean guitar. It's a little disappointing because I think Bucket was starting to become a big drawcard in nuGN'R too along with Axl.

I mean, Axl said he could never find someone to properly replace Slash, so why not go left field and get a completely over-the-top avant garde player like Buckethead?
I thought it was a very wise move on Axl's part, shame it didn't work out.

[younggunner]

Bucket seems to have an "explosiveness" to his playing. Its something I will surely miss.

[grog mug]

Bucket really can play anything and everything. I heard he listened to the Pink Floyd album "Dark Side of the Moon" and reworked it within a matter of hours in his own kick ass version.  I just really enjoyed the "big 3" of Robin, Buckethead, and Axl.  Hopefully something is being worked behind the scenes and Buckethead will once again regain his chicken coop in Axl's recording studio.

[Continental Drift]

I am sure that Buckethead is an extremely complicated issue for Axl. What you get in the way of writing, performing and "aura" is second to none. As someone mentioned... he's so left field that he actually worked as a Slash replacement because he so clearly was anything but Slash. Unfortunately, or so we're told, Buckethead is one shitty/complicated bandmate who evidently caused serious friction with Axl, Tommy and Robin.

I do hope some of his material makes it on to CD at least...

[Continental Drift]

Bucket really can play anything and everything. I heard he listened to the Pink Floyd album "Dark Side of the Moon" and reworked it within a matter of hours in his own kick ass version.? I just really enjoyed the "big 3" of Robin, Buckethead, and Axl.? Hopefully something is being worked behind the scenes and Buckethead will once again regain his chicken coop in Axl's recording studio.

The whole dynamic of Brain still being in nu GN'R given all that went on with his bud Buckethead is bizarre. Perhaps Brain holds the key to bringing Bucket back. On the other hand, Tommy seems to give every indication that Axl is plowing ahead without bucket and the band is better off for it... who knows.

[Pandora]

And unlike Tommy Bucketheads music isnt 3 chords downstrummed "hey ho , lets go!" punk rock. 

Hey, don't knock the Ramones and punk rock please  
I really don't see what you're talking about though. I don't hear much "'hey ho, let's go" , neither in Tommy's music (did you really listen to the full album?) nor in the Replacements', except on their very first albums maybe, and that was over 20 years ago, so time to wake up.

To me the situation with Buckethead is really simple. No member has criticized his guitar playing abilities or his contribution to CD. But maybe he's not very comfortable in a real band configuration. And it seems that he can't get along with some members on a personal level. That's something you can't do shit about. Creating music with so many people is a hard enough task, they don't need someone creating frictions (again, I'm not blaming BH, that's just the way it is). In that sense it's probably a good thing that he's out.

[Scabbie]

Fuckin hell, BH was the lead guitarist! Imagine the original GNR without Slash?

Well, I guess only a few know how good his guitar parts really are. What will be interesting is the response to his work if CD is released with it in - if CD is very successful maybe this will influence a return to the band for BH, unless he is going to be replaced.

[Mikkamakka]

It's really weird that when I mentioned years ago that it's ridiculos how many stupid rednecks were bashing Slash & Co. and I predicted that they will do the same with their new idols (for example Buckehead) when they'll quit, these 'hardcore fans' attacked me saying that BH and the others will never leave GN'R. Lol. Even when some members of the board said that it seems that BH isn't in a real good relationship with the others, especially Robin, and there were some fights (not physical) between the two, they were named as 'negative people' and were bashed. Now 'every hc fans' know that BH is a fuckhead, 'Fuckethead' how they call him, and they are repeating again and again that the band will do better without him, and only some people miss him. (I miss him since he was the most talented musician in Nu-GN'R.) I can imagine he's not the person you can easily get along with, but hell, he wears a mask, a KFC shit on his head, talks through a puppet and sleeps in a chicken hutch, what did Axl expect? 

[matt88]

Why the hell do people keep suggesting that Bucket go and make up with AXL

The guy fucken left. He's gone and he won't be coming back. Do u think if u suggest he go talk to axl that he hasn't thought of it himself if he actually wanted back in in GN'R.

You don't leave Axl the way Bucket did and expect to be welcomed with open arms by him. It's Axl for god sakes he prolly thinks he got cheated again in his life by Bucket's deaprture and holds a grudge.

And Tommy's an absolute tool when he said it was good that Bucket left. For fucks sakes man have a mind of your own. If Axl fuken left the project and called music quits full stop and Tommy was left in charge of the album he'd say axl leaving the project was the best thing that could happen.

No more Buckethead threads in the NU-GNR section please. The guys as outdated in GN'R as Slash and the rest of the old band are.

[Mikkamakka]

No more Buckethead threads in the NU-GNR section please. The guys as outdated in GN'R as Slash and the rest of the old band are.

On the other hand the whole discussion is Dead Horse. 

[matt88]

No more Buckethead threads in the NU-GNR section please. The guys as outdated in GN'R as Slash and the rest of the old band are.

On the other hand the whole discussion is Dead Horse.?

Exactly, a whole fuckin shitload of this section belongs in Dead Horse and Ex-Gunners

[Lesty]

I agree..this topic comes up far too often...
nothing against BH, but why are there so many people that think this band is doomed without him? You'll never be in a discussion about great singer/guitarist combinations and say...
"Well, Roth and Van Halen, Tyler and Perry, Jaggar and richards...oh and Buckethead and Axl".
If anyone enjoys his music, that's great..I think he has a diverse style that a lot of people really can get into. But...he's anything but Rock n Roll. If you're into star wars and robots and stuff, then cool..but GnR will be just fine without him. And depending on how much of his work ends up being on Chinese Democracy, he'll go down in GnR history as just a blip on the radar screen.

[Saul]

Hey, don't knock the Ramones and punk rock please ?

Hey , thats funny .. where were/are you when people jump on bucket for playing fast "shred" .. when in fact alot of music is anything but shred? 

And no , VGH isnt really punk .. it's a great mainstream album to be honest. I dig it. But the replacments were built on and live on their punk rep.

[Saul]

But...he's anything but Rock n Roll. If you're into star wars and robots and stuff, then cool..

Ignorance.

Anything but rock n roll? Geez .. go buy population overide or a thanatopis album. It's funny for me to read you guys call him "just a shredder" or "just into star wars and robots" ... ignorance at it's highest.

btw.. heres a tribute Buckethead did the day before yesterday to Ole Dirty Bastard ..

http://bucketheadland.com/odb/

[AdZ]

Hey, don't knock the Ramones and punk rock please  

Hey , thats funny .. where were/are you when people jump on bucket for playing fast "shred"

GN'R were built on Punk, among other things.  Unlike shred.
I think she has  a reason to stick up for punk rock.

[Pandora]

Hey , thats funny .. where were/are you when people jump on bucket for playing fast "shred" .. when in fact alot of music is anything but shred? 

Where was I? Nowhere. I never defended him nor bashed him, and never said he was a shredder.

[ppbebe]

But...he's anything but Rock n Roll.

Ignorance.

Anything but rock n roll? Geez ..

Agreed.? So was your punk comment.

For people who speak as if there was a formula or manuals for rock n? roll, I have some queries:
What?s rock n? roll? When did rock n? roll fall to have such a dogma?
In other words, when did rock music die?

[Mateoson]

http://bucketheadland.com/odb/

thanks for the link... that shit is sick!

I'm one of those people who thinks the band isn't the same without bucket. I honestly wouldn't give a shit if any member besides buckethead left the band. Maybe my mind will change when/if the album comes out and I get a better feel for everyone. I think, besides axl, buckethead is the hardest to replace....

Isn't it funny how Axl, and a bunch of members on this board say how the band is better without bucket, he slowed down the process... now the real work begins, etc. Yet, just a few days after O.D.B. dies buckethead puts together this mix. It looks like he is a workaholic if you ask me... look how many projects and shit he has done solo or collab. I think he was just so fed up with waiting on axl to perfect his masterpiece he just said fuck it man... I'm out. Just my opinion.....

[Lesty]

But...he's anything but Rock n Roll. If you're into star wars and robots and stuff, then cool..

Ignorance.

Anything but rock n roll? Geez .. go buy population overide or a thanatopis album. It's funny for me to read you guys call him "just a shredder" or "just into star wars and robots" ... ignorance at it's highest.

btw.. heres a tribute Buckethead did the day before yesterday to Ole Dirty Bastard ..

http://bucketheadland.com/odb/

Not really. I've heard his stuff, and seen him in person perform live with GnR. It's not ignorance, it's an opinion. I don't think a mute with a bucket on his head  is rock n roll, not does he fit in with the GnR image or style.
He has a playing style that's innovative and unique, and he's talented. I'm even looking forward to hearing his guitar on Chinese Democracy (if it's included). But if you look back on the history of this band, where it came from, etc...BH sticks out like a sore thumb and I think it's better for all parties that he left.

[oneway23]

Bucket was the element that elevated this band to the stratosphere....Great band without, peerless with....

[grog mug]

Ok, a whole shitload of this section belongs in dead horse you said your piece.  I'm just saying mine, because looking back on these new GN'R dvd's Bucket was praised by a lot of people (similar to Slash).  I know he comes to these boards and maybe he'll look back on it, give Axl a call and reform the new GN'R band in it's entirity.  Just wishful thinking on my part.

[Saul]

I don't think a mute with a bucket on his head  is rock n roll, not does he fit in with the GnR image or style.
He has a playing style that's innovative and unique, and he's talented. I'm even looking forward to hearing his guitar on Chinese Democracy (if it's included). But if you look back on the history of this band, where it came from, etc...BH sticks out like a sore thumb and I think it's better for all parties that he left.

So what new band member is "rock n roll" ? Enlighten me. Maybe it's Finck sitting behind his desk making lil collages.? Or the red headed mute with a wig on his head.  Maybe thats why Axl liked Buckethead so much in the begining. Neither talk much and they both wear strange things on their head. 

[Mikkamakka]

I don't think that the new band would identify itself as 'rock and roll'. Except Axl, Fortus and Dizzy they don't even have r'n'r roots.

[grog mug]

Just like the thread is titled, Buckethead is VERY important to this band.  Just wait until CD comes out and people hear Bucket's parts.  They will be blown away.  After I saw him perform and listened to his solo stuff during his GN'R days I became a huge fan.  Just like anyone else that picks up a copy of CD (if that day ever exists).