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Italian GUNS N' ROSES Fan Site Shuts Down In Response To 'Chinese Democracy' 'Saga' - Mar. 8, 2007 
 
Italian GUNS N' ROSES fan site/community GNRonline.it has officially shut down as a result of the lack of official information regarding the band and the group's long-awaited new album "Chinese Democracy". The GNRonline.it administrators have issued the following statement regarding the matter:

"We regret to tell you that in relation to the protest we started on December 7th 2006, our GUNS fan sites and forums, GNRonline.it and GNRonline.org, will be shut down at once. The never-ending saga of 'Chinese Democracy', the lack of respect, clearness and mutual loyalty are just some of the reasons that has brought us down to this painful conclusion.

"Until now our detractors have always accused us of being 'Axl fanatics' (and to a certain degree, it is probably true) but today we aren't able to sustain Axl's project anymore, neither financially nor economically. We just can't afford to waste our heads on a project that has never even taken us into consideration. We gladly leave that to other 'fan' sites and forums that have the will and passion to be fooled around one more time. It is also sad that the aforementioned websites and forums, most of whom claim to have direct links to the GNR camp, have built a wall between them and other sites like ours (as well every other fan out there), reluctant to even start collaborations from whom we all would have benefit from.

"GNRonline shutting down will not only affect the flow of GNR news and discussions in Italy, but it will also tear apart a community of 3500 users who have been maintaining daily relationships and friendship through this website for many years now. Coherence though is one thing that have always been a key point of our conducts, and despite the fact that closing down upsets us a lot, this is the only thing that makes sense to do at this point.

"We still want to believe in Axl Rose and his record and we greatly wish that 'Chinese Democracy' would see the light of day before February 2008. If that will be the case we will make our best effort to re-open the site otherwise our domains will be lost and that will be the end of it." 
 

I'll risk a bad karma...
and as I said at cd.com...


this guy is giving him self to much credit.
he's just a nobody.
who gives a fuck about italian forum.
he might have had 3500 members, but probably had 5 of his neighbors posting once in 10 years.

he's such a drama queen. if you cant handle it financially, then fuck off.
nobody asked you to create the damn forum in the first place.


what a fucking wimp. where does it say that they need to contact you?!
do they need to contact every fucking nerd that knows how to log on the net?!
damn!

does he think italians will stop listening to GNR because he says so?!

he's a freek, and should go to the asylum...
or at least start taking his medicine again.

what makes him better than a regular fucking fan?! he bought a domain name?!  Big fucking deal...


I hate nerds.


I just went to their site...
and this is the banner:

(http://www.gnronline.org/forum/Images/Home/index_closed.jpg)

now let's be honest...

this is the gayest thing that ever came out of Italy...
even compared to this;

(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2084833/2/istockphoto_2084833_david.jpg)

well i cat say i ever visited the site so no loss to me and it seems also to be a silly publicity stunt im sorry but after all this time you just dont give up

'We just can't afford to waste our heads on a project that has never even taken us into consideration.'

what a whiney little asshole! Vaffanculo... vai a fare in culo idiota. perche pensi di essere cosi importante?


'You do it to yourself, you do
And that's what really hurts
Is that you do it to yourself
Just you and no one else' R

who would take such a whiny anal whore into consideration anyway.

and consideration for what?
these guys need to get a life.

My initial response in reading this is, "Get the Fuck over Yourself!"  You would think that their website was THE most important GN'R fan website in the world.  The fact that they think making a boycott of GN'R is going to get Axl or anyone from the GN'R camp to release Chinese Democracy sooner is absurd. 

News flash to all my Italian GN'R Friends out there...We are all in this together.  No website is more important then the other and we all get the same news at the same time.  It might not be a lot of details and it certainly is not forthcoming when we want it, but being a fan of this band requires Patience.

I think the time for "Patience" has been long gone.
it's time for Chinese Democracy now:)

I am with you!

ouch? :rofl: cazzo? :hihi:

"The never-ending saga of 'Chinese Democracy', the lack of respect, clearness and mutual loyalty"

Well, sorry guys, but I agree 100% with this line.

Same here. Its not that hard to release an album surely!! Especially when you are a 'professional' musican. I think each one of us on here, over 13 years, with $15mill, whichever producers, neverending talented session musicians, could all have produced an album of CD's supposed quality in that time period.

These Italian guys, they aren't happy with something and they are showing their dislike for that. No problem there surely.

i don't even know where to start...
it doesn't happen often that message board topic pisses me off but this one really did. first of all, what you are doing is extremely unfair to the users of your site who are all waiting together for chinese democracy, forming friendships and having a good time along the way, and because you want to make some pompous statement to express your own lack of patience (and obviously content in your life) you take away their community and place to hang out and have a good time with other italian gnr fans. extremely SELFISH. second, axl owes you fuck all. some of us have been waiting for this record to come out for almost a decade (that's about half of my lifetime), and we realize axl has run into alot of difficulties putting this record out and he is doing his best to put out the best possible product for us to meet the high standards set my pervious gnr records, and along the way he has given us (including italy) some awesome shows to help the wait feel less frustrating. what you are doing is pissing off fans that have more patience than you, and you gain NOTHING by this pathetic decision, you only hurt thousands of fellow fans. you are a total asshole and a disgrace to the gnr community.

..."the lack of respect, clearness and mutual loyalty are just some of the reasons that has brought us down to this painful conclusion"...
 : ok: to the italian fans, at least they've shown some self-esteem.
I'll join them and will leave this board as well, Jarmo my man, you can now ban me, you've warned me already anyway :smoking:!
The rest of you... Axl already told you - if you're waiting - don't! Which can be also interpreted as "I don't give a flyin' f...k about the fans". But it's his album, the fans don't mean anything anyway...Well, I say f...k the album, I don't need it either!
 :beer:Axl!

don't let the door hit you on the way out.
and don't come crawling back here when CD drops to kiss axl's ass either.
we don't need disloyal fans, no one will ever miss you around here. bye.

I also agree with this statement and the general sentiment behind the closing of the site.  What never ceases to amaze me, however, is the amount of blind loyalty for Axl.  Guess what loyalists...the italian websites don't owe the fans anything more than Axl does.   :drool: 

by the way there is an italian section at chinesedemocracy.com for the fans from italy ?::)

if you're so unhappy with loyal fans in the gnr community, leave. and don't come crawling back later either, "either get on board or fuck off".

I'm not unhappy with "blindly" loyal fans as much as I am entertained by their slight retardation.? ?:P?

What is there to get on board though? I always wonder this.

calling me a retard, now? the sign of a great debater. i'm not even going to sink to your level. leave.

I'm sure Axl is hanging on every word.? ::)

Self-righteous fuckers.  I never even heard of these sites until this.

Maybe Axl will release CD in Italy first ;D

I've been "on board" this site since 2002, how about you? ?I've been a fan of GNR since Appetite was released. ?I cut up the Appetite CD box and hung it in my locker when I was in junior high. ?Have you even seen the cardboard boxes CDs used to come in? ?I doubt it. ?I'll support GNR however I want to...but I won't do it blindly. ? 8)

lol @ trying to impress me, and i'm not letting you know shit about myself. let's just say i'm a longtime fan and i don't need to prove myself to people like you, or anyone. good day.

More Promotion & Marketing For CHINESE DEMOCRACY...

Thankz Italy.

HBK *

My guess is the real reason for this is either a financial decision or they just don't want to bother with the site any longer. Although I can't think of any exact examples right now, it's not the first time a fan site has closed in "protest" due to no info or bad behavior. It usually comes out later that money or lack of interest is the real reason. This may have made more sense a few years ago when NOTHING was happening. It seems like we are closer than ever, so why quit now?

Axl don't give a F**k,So do I.

Wow is there really any need at all to disrespect Italy because an Italian GnR forum shut down? Does this hurt your feelings? The guy does have a valid point...why should he run a website with the enthusiasm of an album release that has been on the slate since 1999? I love HTGTH but people need to find something else to do than post 5000 times a day.

Even though I take some of their announcement as a direct stab at this site and even me personally, I'm gonna keep my opinions to myself.

All I'm gonna say is that they have every right to decide what to do with their own site and that the band doesn't owe us anything. We choose to be fans, the band didn't choose us.

Personally I can't relate to this way of thinking. I started this web site in 1996 because it seemed like a fun idea (turns out I was right). Not because I thought years later I could say the band owed me because I started a fan site.

There probably has been more information about the band in the recent twelve months than there's been in the five years prior to that.



/jarmo

the most recent case was with a BritBirt spears site, who cited bad behaviour but in actuality had been bought out by a Japanese firm I believe

This kind of protest has no sense as I wrote in that forum (I'm Italian). Not only Axl have to give something to the fans but anyother artists have to.
You can be angry against your government not against your favourite band. It has no sense to close it.
But I think and hope that they have a good reason for that. 

When was the last time Guns were in Italy anyway ?

I wish that cry baby would just shut up and go pop in a Britney album !!

I'm sick and tired of hearing his shit already ! ? ? :rant:



*bba*

4th of June 2006... a great day!

Good morning Sir!

Italy is tiny.......there are more Italians here in New Jersey than all of Italy.

Oh, I was unaware.

That guy is still a whiny bitch !!


*bba*

What is your definition of "loyal"? I am just as loyal as you, but I can be "loyal" and still voice frustation. I am a HUGE Pittsbugh Steeler fan, they sucked yast year, all of us "loyal" fans were dissapointed, we discussed and questioned everything they did. Are we still not there biggest loyal fans? YES! So, Stop quoting what the band says, I think everyone on these boards are "on board with them". But what axl himself says tentative 3/6/07, then I expect him to deliver. Not on the tentative date, but somewhere in the ball park. April or May. That is hitting a tentative date. When they cant deliver what is promised, than us "LOYAL" fans have a right to bitch and complain, but we are still fans. And before you use the other stupid argument that "axl owes me nothing", you are right, but I expect him to deliver what he promises! if he wants to keep touring with a bunch of new guys playing somebody else's music, Fine, I will still go to the show, but just come out and say that is what you are doing.

do you have a problem with me quoting what the band says? do you feel uncomfortable when their quotes work against you?
here, let me quote some more:

"i dunno if soon is the word"
"either get on board or fuck off"
"if you're waiting, don't. live your life, that's your responsibility, not mine"

don't get your panties in a bunch now :rofl:

Axl is in the business of making music, which is to say that he hopes to sell CDs. ?FANS buy the CDs. ?We've had a 1 (arguably 2) Chinese Democracy tours WITHOUT a Chinese Democracy CD. ?We came out and supported these tours because:

1.) We wanted to hear our favorite old tunes
2.) ?We were interested in seeing the new band and hearing the new music.

Despite all the promises there has been NO (legitimate) new music. ?Would I shut down my site over this? No.

Do I think Axl owes his fans, the very reason for his relevance and success, more than he gives them? ?Yes, absolutely.

Will I lose sleep over this? Not a chance.

I hear ya bro.

I'm also a huge Steelers fan !    Next year will be better.   :yes:



*bba*

How is that working against me? If you are to shallow to voice opionions that are negative, when the situation warrents, than that is your problem. I dont need to use other poeples words, I can think on my own. If you are crazy to believe every lie this bands tells you, and to follow blindly, too bad for you. If you cant honestly say that it is ABSURD that there could be this many reasons to do something as simple as putting out a record, than you cant think on your own.

My problem is with people saying who can be a fan and who cant be a fan.

This Italian thing is pretty old news, they announced this pretty much when they realizes 2006 wasnt happening. ?They even have a video on Youtube discussing it.

AxlGurl, you dont make money off of GNR fans, Axl does, so until youre manager of the band or invest in it, i dont think you should be telling people that they should "not buy the cd" if they arent "true fans." ?You call people who have been here for years and who are frustrated not true fans. Thats messed up.

The Italian site shutting down is really ignorant, but I understand. ?They probably pay for their site with advertisements based on the amount of hits they get. ?If they have no news to report and no album, they wont get hits. ?If people keep getting more and more impatient and there isnt much for them to report on, pretty much the site turns into "This sucks", "Reunion" and "Remember 1988" threads and topics. ?So if the site isnt accomplishing anything they might as well shut down. ?Still they shouldnt blame it on Axl or feel its Axl's fault.

Are you calling the statue of David gay?

Are you alright?

I've suggested in the past that we should shut the HTGTH message board down until the album's released.

Good to see someone follow through with that idea.

Probaly the best post around here in some time... Good work? :rofl: :rofl:

got it Ronie? no one will ever miss you around here. bye.


get lost. "get on board or fuck off".

Like anyone really cares that a 'so-called' fansite is shutting down.They made that annoucement because they wanted attention,who gives a fuck.This annoucement is about as stupid as if I annoced that I was closing my GN'R fansite,I pay for my own site,but do I keep my site just to get attention,fuck no,I keep my site because it's fun,so to all of the stupid bastards that think this 'annoucement' is important,fuck off.  :rant:

What the hell do you think people who post on this message board are doing? ?Even if they come here and say "this is bullshit release the cd now etc..." They still have embraced the new gnr and "got on board." ?The quote you keep referring to didnt say "Support all the delays and only people who always think what Axl does is right are true fans." ?It was referring to getting on board with the new band. ?That quote would work if someone was saying "Bring back Slash" etc... but thats not what people are saying. ?The people who complain are as big of fans as anyone and im sure these italian guys are huge fans too. ?Fact is your pocketbook, your reputation, your legacy, and the rest of your life is not affected by the amount of people who supports the new band when the CD is released...Axl's is. ?So I think you telling people to "fuck off" is actually irresponsable and not "getting on board." ?You really dont contribute to discussions when you just say "Get on board or fuck off."

We could start with those who want to shut down fan sites leaving....

:wave:



/jarmo

get either on board with us, the fans, or just fuck off. That works for you too.  : ok:

The reasons I surf into the net while I work every night. Is this Board.
while my other friends get into the porn site every night. and didn't know what they really looking for. :hihi:
If this Site is Shutdown, Well... :confused:

 : ok:

Others websites should do it. : ok:

don't worry, jarmo isn't like those guys trying to get attention  : ok:
he is a GN'R fan. By fan I do mean true fan, not "fans" like we see here everyday.  :hihi:

Im glad you dont decide who are true fans and who arent.

Yes.  :rofl:

This thread certainly has both ends of the spectrum.... The Italian forum owners and "Bruno Poeys" & "axlgurl".

Personally, I think both attitudes are garbage.   : ok:

I'm not deciding anything, I'm just saying he's a real fan.  : ok:

I call garbage attitudes of people coming here to make fun of fans supporting the band or just people shit talking. If they don't want to support, fine, but come here each second to say that Axl was better before and that jarmo should close this forum is just ridiculous.  : ok:
I'm glad that someone else also doesn't like the way that some people act. Some attitudes are just annoying and some people here actually are annoying.

I think if we all had the same attitudes and beliefs the board would be pretty boring. Different opinions and diversity is what makes boards interesting.

that's not what I said. Some attitudes are annoying. If you tell us your point of view - fine. If you come here to say that you prefer Slash over bumblefoot - fine. If you come here to say how you love Slash, how the new band sucks and how Axl is a liar or something else - please, don't come. That's why I use to say that quote. "Either get on board or fuck off".

I'd go along with this opinion. ?:yes:

You know what?  One of two things is going to happen, no matter how many people post angry comments on this board.  Chinese Democracy will come out one day and we'll all get to enjoy it, or it won't and we'll still have five rockin' GN'R albums to listen to anytime we want.  All of the time and energy spent getting angry about this just seems misdirected.  Go for a walk or something.   :beer:

this is so sad. lucky, I guess YOU give yourself too much credit. who are you to say "probably they had just 5 people posting bla bla bla" or "who cares about an italian forum?"...I guess axl cares about italy when he had to do some money. I guess somebody down here thinks that everything is not from us, maybe uk...doesn't need any credit. bullshit. yeah. they could be gay or not...but they have two big balls each other to make a decision like that. and they don't need attention, they just need an album since...how many years? six years? no, wait, eight years! mhhh, I can't remember the first day someone said "chinese democracy", but I know that was a long long time ago. axl doesn't deserve support of anybody. what will happen now? he will start the third chinese democracy tour? and where? just australia, africa and asia? I guess the fourth chinese democracy tour will hit on mars, or maybe the moon. people must open the eyes and see that he's just tryin' to make more money abusing of retarded people that just can think "Axl, cool, metal dude, rock-n-roll, party, cocaine, yeah"

but, after all

"just a little patience"
"soon is the word"
"just we have to wait and see"
"chinese democracy starts now"
"round 1...2...3....4..."
just bullshit.

You buy a concert ticket to hear the artist perform the songs.

You don't buy a fucking concert ticket and think the artist owes you an album.


If you don't want to go see the band live, fine. Nobody's forcing you. Stay home.


The only bullshit in this situation are people who think they're owed something. Wake up and smell the coffee already.




/jarmo

 ?I agree Bruno my post was not targeted at anything you wrote.

 ? The bitching get's pretty intense here at times but at the same time there are not many fans that have been through the same thing as guns fans. I've stayed away from posting for awhile because people are either bitching or defending and it's not much fun lately.The love for the band and music is intense as Axl is intense, the shows are intense, being a GNR fan is intense. But the praise this band will get when they finnish will be fuckin' intense by all on this board. ? ?

Although I agree with you in essence(ie. I don't care how long it takes for the album to come out, because I have no particular investment in it ever coming out at this point), GNR needs all the fans they can get, loyal or otherwise. Fan sites are insular environments whose attitude about this album is not mirrored in most other places. People will always say that Appetite is an essential rock album, but in the same breath, they'll turn around and say the usual stuff about Axl. I don't agree per se, but the band needs some good press, and most of the positive energy that the tour created is rapidly dissipating as another release date comes and goes. I realize that a lot of the rumors have not come directly fom the band, but the unfortunate truth is that most people don't know that either. Bottom line, when the release date is finally announced, no one is going to believe that the album is coming out, which is regrettable - especially if it's as good as we all believe it can be. ?

this is kinda funny considering the album is closer than ever right now!!

fans that will comment things like this to other people: "damn that riff would be better if Slash was the creator", "Axl's voice isn't good now, his voice was better in the early 90's" and "I prefer the hard rocker style over this new band's style"? No, thanks.

true. everyone will be kissin' Axl's ass soon.  :hihi:

Source?

I agree.

Pretty ridiculous.

I really feel for the closed forum members, especially since we are so close.

Oh well, good riddance.

Trim the fat, I say.

Funny.





/jarmo

Del James, for starters.

bumblefoot as well. ;)

Can we PLEASE stop using the phrase "closer then ever"?  It's so stupid.  Of course we're closer than ever.  In fact, we'll be closer in 5 seconds than we are right now.  We were closer the day after TSI came out than we were the day before it came out.  Since Chinese Democracy's release is something that is happening in the future, than every second that passes is closer than the last.  It's just a dumb phrase.

Best quote in this thread.  And its why I scratch my head as to why people are getting so fucked up over this.    We have an active band now, it was dormant for years.   Just goes to show, to some people, nothing will be good enough.

Axl could release CD, tour for 2 straight years, release another CD, tour some more, and these same people are going to just find other things to complain about because their lives are so pathetic and have absolutely no meaning that complaining on a GNR forum gives them a purpose.  i guess.

It's even funnier considering that GNR toured for 8 months in 2006 (including a festival in Italy); have new show dates already scheduled; have issued statements on the official site; we (DLMFs) have all heard like 6 new songs; and Bumblefoot himself posted on that Italian site.

Obviously, running a fansite takes a hellava lot of time and effort. ?If the Italian site's admin no longer has the time or desire to maintain his site then he should man-up and say that's the case.

But I guess "It's All Axl's Fault!!!" is an easier out. ?

I'm not owner of GNRonline.it, I'm only a collaborator there, I spent some years posting daily on that board, searching news, translating articles. I've done a lot of work for GNRonline.it, and I can guarantee that the owners of that site and their collaborators made a harder work than mine, with a lot of love and passion.

They made the biggest fansite and community of a whole country, and they deserves respect. Not from Axl, but from other fans: all of you bitches.

Shut down the website was not an easy decision. It was hard, difficult and painful. I didn't want to close the website, but I respect the decision of the owners, because I konw them, and I know they love their site, they love Guns N Roses and they spent years under the attack of some italian Axl haters.

We don't say that Axl owe us the album or some other things, we say that the fans (ALL the fans, not only italians) deserves news and information clearer than those we had lately.
We can't stop to love GNR, we can't stop to love Axl, we can't stop to hope the album will come out as soon as possible. But we can't continue to be silent.

I just don't understand how they can shut down the site when we are closer now than ever. ::)

Seriously, I think the "anti-haters"(sic) around here are not giving enough credit to this sequence of events with GNRonline.it.? I have an MSN account where I have "Guns N Roses" set as a constant news-search.? That means when anything GNR-related is reported, it will appear as a story on my homepage.? After weeks of seeing articles about Slash at Anna Nichol's funeral, the first new news I see on there is an NME article titled "Guns N' Roses Fans Protest Album's Delay".?

what do you want exactly?  ::)   They are more active and giving more information than ever.   Its no a win situation for Axl and that really sucks.

what do people expect, its been this way since forever, so why shopuld it change now? :confused:

I bet you agree with everything I said on page one :D

I think the Italians need to realise that Axl Rose won't give a shit about this, even if he was to find out about it (unlikely).

What's 3500 Italian internet fans in a GNR worldwide fan pool of millions...?

GNRonline.it - shut down or stay open. Nobody cares.

I think they do, hence the closing of the site.? : ok:

that's a NME statement, not a statement from us. The open letter of our site is here: www.gnronline.it



we don't want more info. we'd want clearer and more explicit infos.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the protest started before Axl's letter. That wasn't good enough so the site was taken down.

So it doesn't look like you guys want news and information to me.


This is GN'R, you should be used to it.


/jarmo

It's only natural for conscientious artists to want to make money by giving the fans the best work they are capable of even if that takes time.


Probably the same has been true with the people in the industry and in the press. unlike the musicians they are to get money from somebodyelses fans. Would they give a fuck about those fans?

don't get me wrong that would be great.   however, i'm not really expecting Axl to just do a complete 180 and open himself up that way.   Hell, that letter he wrote in December was more than I expected.   

Just let things take their natural course.  We will be informed when he's ready to inform us.

its a bunch of crap.
those guys dont deserve any info.
only world wide forums deserve info.
such as htgth cd and mygnr.

local forums are just a waste of webspace.

if every local forum asked for info, the album would take another 15 years to make, since the band would be to bussy answering nerd inquiries.

just think if GNRAlbania did the same thing...
?!

where would it stop?!


enough with the crap, and move on.  Local forums  are there only to satisfy dictatorship ambitions of some cyber nerds... and since the "vacum" for the BIG forums has been filled, they are promoting "small" national forums.

What is GNR italy forum suposed to offer us more than some international forum? A different domain extension, and that's about it.

...and the closing of the site will achieve...?

I bought a concert ticket because I thought, with Axl promising a CD release in the very near future, I'd hear something new. ?

Everyone in the band and people who were on the tour came out and said the album is coming soon. ?Then nothing happened. ?Then they announce some new tour dates, and suddenly the album is "in the final stages" again.

I think this album will eventually come out, but I think right now it is the sole marketing tool for GnR concerts and they are exploiting it for all its worth. ?Promoting an album is fine. ?Promoting an album and not delivering one, isn't.?


_________________________

ON EDIT:

I had a great time at my concert.  I had such a great time that I will go again.  Hell, I listen to some GnR just about everyday.  I just think the GnR camp is full of BS. 

well, in Axl letter we can read:

it didn't happen. Del's statement is a bit vague.

You could read but you didn't.

you will be notified in regard to a new date.

no official date=no notification

"Either get on board or fuck off."

I guess GNRItaly decided to fuck off?  ;D

I luaghed at this when I saw it at cd.com this morning  ;D

honestly though, i think you're right on the mark with that response.

Like Axl gives a hot fuck if some w-site with 3500 members remains open or not.

Get a fucking life already !




*bba*

Yeah, I am wondering if the Italian site had the egotistical perception that their previous protest resulted in, at least in part, to Axl putting out that letter back in December.  So maybe they think doing so again will magically make Axl put out another letter.   

yeah, nobody forces me...but what this exactly means?  yeah, axl doesn't owe me nothing...but what this exactly means? I'm sorry, but I can't understand you...the way to see things in gn'r forums everywhere seems a lot distorted. seems that everyone forgot that the first thing a band have to do are ALBUMS and not the same old fuckin' shows with the same boring knockin' on heaven's door and all already seen stuff (1 - jungle 2 - easy 3 - brownstone 4 - lald 5 - bla bla bla). I guess that a serious band have to go forward in the years playin' new stuff, I'm sorry but nowadays I can't say that guns n' roses is a serious band, and I can't say that axl is an artist, because art needs to evolve. new guns n' roses are blocked since they were born. ok, someone can say "fuck you, you're not a real fan..." but I know that I'm not a fanatic, so I can see real things, and I say what I think tryin' to respect every point of view. and, returning to the topic...people can't go against gnronline.it because maybe they're exhausted to follow a blocked-band.

Once again, show me the setlists from 2002 that included any of the following songs: Back In The USSR, Better, Down On The Farm, IRS, Liquor & Whores, Sailing, Sway, T.W.A.T., Used To Love Her, You Gotta Move, You're Crazy

The Rolling Stones have been playing some of the same songs for longer than GN'R have existed.


Axl isn't an artist?  ::)



/jarmo

What cry babies! Didn't they say something about how the band only pays attention to this site and that Jarmo can't handle running it? Ha! What a fucking joke.

Good for them.  It seems like someone finally got fed up with the way fans have been treated and decided to take a stand.  I applaud them.   Whether or not it is a large site is irrelevent, the point is that an enormous Axl fan has completely shut down a site that he/she has spent countless hours at.  People are finally starting to give up hope and are fed up with the way they are being treated. 

In a nutshell all Del James said was

"album ain't done yet.. not sure when it will be" 

well no shit, thanks for the big update.  I hope we get more updates as info filled as this one.

I'm sorry, but your site have been entirely irresponsible and it's actions have created stories which are entirely misleading and sad to read.

It is disappointing.

I know what you mean.

First their threat got them the headlines, and I believe Bumblefoot was nice enough to comment on it. That didn't make any difference.... And now they're causing even more negative GN'R headlines....




/jarmo

sorry if this has already been brought up, but isn't lack on info the reason that gnrx shut down?  and that was like four or five years ago now.  i really don't see what the big deal is, but i don't remember this big a fuss being made when gnrx went down.

Back In The USSR - Cover
Better - ok, first one
Down On The Farm - cover
IRS - ok, 2nd.
Liquor & Whores - shit
Sailing - cover
Sway - cover
T.W.A.T - mmh, just two times...
Used To Love Her - same old song...
You Gotta Move - cover
You're Crazy - ..and dance

I mean NEW stuff jarmo, new






yeah, they haven't released new stuff for 8 years between 1997 to 2005...but they're rolling stones, they're about 70 years old. they aren't a new band that must show what they can really do.


no, not today. there is no stuff to judge his art in last 10 years (and three-four-five good songs aren't enough to judge an artist). I'm sorry, but I guess this is the truth.

And what posative headlines could the band be getting right now?


A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO FRIEND OF GNR SAYS ALBUM IS BEING MIXED AND THINGS SEEM TO BE OK

oh god, are you blaming gnronline.it for negative headlines? hey, there are people that have just a little more responsibility about press throwing shit.

"All of us bitches"? Take some midol and then get back to us once your IQ manages to hit room temperature. Be a nice guy.....Now go home and get your fuckin' shinebox!!!

A lot of sites are closed without making a big deal about it.

Unless you're looking for attention...



You were also saying they play the same old boring songs at shows and I proved you wrong.

How many of the fans at Gods Of Metal in Milan, Italy saw GN'R play on the previous tours? How many of them were upset about the "same old boring" set? GN'R has played one show in Italy between 1993 and today. You complain about the setlist like you've attended every show....


I saw GN'R 18 times last year. I looked around me at all shows, I didn't see the crowd looking bored.

Some looked tired, but that's understandable when you're used to be in bed by the time GN'R hit the stage.



/jarmo

I'm really sorry about the negative press.... but those press-sites that write negative things wrote yet negative things in the past, and they'd most probably write negative things without our protest. They already made negative press about Del's statement!!

It's not GNRonline.it fault if some sites do negative press: they do it anyway.

I personally didn't want to close GNRonline.it and stuff, but I've not power to decide on this. But, I repeat, since I know the website owners and staff, and the efforts they made in all these years, I can only respect them and their decisions. They really suffer closing the website, but they decided to put their coherence first of all.

Anyway, reading their statement, they are clear about their feelings, and it's clear they don't want to "close the door" about Axl.

It's obviously the decision of that board and it's members. That board doesn't owe you or Axl any explanation, but at least they gave one.

Regardless, Axl doesn't care right. ?: ok:

Well, well, I have been a member here for a while. Obviously I don't post much here though.

I also been at gnronline.it for a while. In the stuff too. So what's there to say? I agree with Jarmo when he says he opened up for fun. Well simply the fun for us it's gone, so now we close and we simply stated why the fun just isn't there anymore.

the whole "they close cause they think Axl owns them something" is totally ridiculous. Anyone with some grey matter would see that it has nothing to do with that.

I aslo think some people here aren't being very coherent. First you say "Axl doesn't give afuck about you" and then you are all worried cause we are doing negative publicity to GNR? Please....

PS: And that guy...Lucky...Get a camonille.

The story about this shutting down has now been picked up by YahooMusic.

This is not good.

Irresponsible? How about irrelevant.

Let the babies have their bottle. They will come back when the album drops, complaining about something else.

This whole incident reminds me of the Lostrose.com guy who threatened to yank down his site unless a member of GnR contacted him. Unfortunately, Gilby Clarke dropped him a message and ordered was restored.  For some people, the community isn't enough reason to carry on; they derive a false sense of power and demand to actual be part of events which they were only witnesses to begin with.

I'm not representing gnronline.it here, just my point of view. and you're not replying me. you're not replying me about the same songs, about your rolling stones idea ( ;D) or about every fuckin' thing I've wrote here. but if you don't know how to reply...you're not forced to reply.

about the show after 200 years in italy, this isn't a good reason to support axl in every shit he does...just because "maybe he'll come back".

I complain because there's band that tours everywhere without an album. A band without an album (for years and years) isn't a band.

Ugh. It's just a fan site. There are hundreds on the net, and many get closed down everyday. These guys had to do this little drama campaign and now are giving GN'R some bad press. Ridiculous.

Can one of the "non-haters", "non-crybabies", or "non-whiners" do me a favor here. ?Can you please tell me what the hell we are supposed to talk about on this board right now and not be considered a hater, crybaby, or a whiner? ?Seriously? ?What is there to talk about with Guns N' Roses right now?

and last but not least "You're A Mean One, Mr. Grinch" from Gibson Amph. in Cali  :smoking:

Nobody if forcing you to talk about Guns N' Roses now.

Dates from shows in Japan, and now South America are coming out, so you can talk about that. You can also post in the off-topic sections, or not post at all. Just because Guns N' Roses aren't active right now doesn't give an excuse to start complaining and such.

I don't know, but one thing I can tell you is, if I felt like coming to a board just for the sake of complaining, my life would be pretty shitty and I would be a sad person.

If it upset me like it upsets so many people, I would simply find something else to do taht doesn't hurt my feelings so bad.  :crying: :smoking:

Bad press? For GnR', bad press is a good thing. It's better than a fictional album called 'Chinese Democracy.'

maybe, after merck in december, next axl's letter will be "due to gnronline.it our tentative release date of march 6th will be delayed to christmas 2007".  :hihi:

Oh you mean the one that the band is 100% finished recording and is now in the mixing stage?

It seems as if some of you WANT the album to not come out.

I realize this. ?I know I don't have to be here. ?I'm just wondering if there is anything about GNR right now that CAN be discussed? ?If the news is bad news, it sort of seems like it would make more sense for the people who DON'T want to hear it or discuss it to not be here. ?And what about upcoming shows is there to talk about?

"Wow...there are going to be shows in Japan and South America next month. ?I hope they are fun."
"Yeah. ?Me too."
"I can't wait."
"Me Either."
"GNR 4EVER"


P.S. ?Thank you for admitting that GNR is not active right now, though.

you're right...we can talk about new dates. and I'll tell you more, I can tell you the complete setlist of that show. they'll play prostitute.

Actually, I don't just come here to complain.  Most of the so-called haters don't.  We come here for the good times and the bad times.  Unfortunately, there hav'nt been nearly as many good times as there has bad times.



Sad, but true.

This alone makes me think these guys think they're owed something.

Maybe I don't understand what they're meaning, but that's how I interpret that sentence.


I'd also love it if somebody could explain what I've done:




I know what I think of that statement, and I'm not gonna say anything, but if somebody could "translate" it I could at least see if my "theory" is right or wrong.



/jarmo

almost like they feel they are owed some sort of direct contact with the GNR camp, its reeks of jealousy.

seriously, you should get +1 karma for that. The karma system should give + points to those who make intelligent comments.  :hihi:

Thank you for your words of wisdom.

Since I am an owner of a local forum and site, the Greek one, I'll tell you a few things I've done to satisfy my dictatorship ambitions, as a cyber nerd that I am.

I brought Adler's Appetite to Greece in 2004.

I brought Tommy Stinson to Greece for 2 shows in 2004.

I brought Adler's Appetite to Greece again for 3 shows in 2005.

I arranged a meet & greet with Gilby Clarke and people from the fan club in 2 hours (when he came with MC5 to Greece) in 2005.

I brought Gilby Clarke to Greece for 3 shows in 2006.

No member of GNR had ever visited Greece on a solo tour, EVER.

Not to mention the countless parties I've organized and the thousands of free gifts I've paid for (t-shirts, lighters, lanyards, fridge magnets etc, etc...)

GN'R were announced only 2 weeks before their show in Greece. No TV spots, and the promotion of the concert wasn't THAT good. Lots of GNR fans would have never known if it wasn't for Gunsnroses.gr... I'm not saying that I'm responsible for 18.000 people that attended the show, but seeing more than 600-700 people with a Gunsnroses.gr tshirt there, it was enough to satisfy my dictatorship ambitions...


I'll say it.

I think it's pretty obvious that they want inside info, directly from the band, and it hurts them that htgth gets it first. Which is sad.

They should be happy that a fan site gets recognition and the band speaks through it.

It means that the band cares for the fans.

But some people want everything. And in the end they get nothing.

absolutely not. they only think that it should be a mutual sense of help in the fans community worldwide. it's not about GNR camp, it's about fans, I guess.

I'm with you on this one. If there's 12,000 people in the room, maybe two or three are rolling their eyes when they open with Jungle or close with PC. At least half the audience (including me) waited their whole lives to see Axl perform. He's aware. It's called "pulling no punches and hooking the audience" with what works.

People really need to get over that. What do they want, "Shotgun Blues" instead of "My Michelle"?

Besides, its a 2+ hour show! Dude could always just play an 80 minute hits set, say "thank you goodnight" and leave.

Why on earth would he play more CD songs if he has no idea when its coming out? What a great idea, leak the whole damn thing before its out. I think he'd like to avoid shooting himself in the foot as much as possible from now on...

What do you mean with "mutual sense of help"?

I really need to understand that...

Cause all I see from their last "press release" and this one is an attack on htgth...

well, I not decided to protest, and I not wrote the statement, then I can only guess (maybe you should write to them if you want clear up)

I guess they think that if some fans got some info they'd should share it with the whole community.

So it's not that they want GN'R to tell them information directly without them having to visit other sites such as gunsnroses.com?



And what exactly did I do that excluded these people and built walls between us?

I'm sorry, I don't speak Italian so it's hard for me to communicate with some of them.

We don't have that many members here from places like Italy, Japan, South America etc. GN'R seems to be pretty popular in those countries.

There's that language barrier but I can't really do much about that.



You're free to post the info provided here anywhere.

All I ask for is that you copy and paste it just like it was posted here and make sure people understand where it came from.

I've seen people getting suspicious of posts on forums because there's no way to check where the info comes from.


Or do these guys expect people like Mysteron (who might not speak Italian) to visit the Italian forum and post there too?



/jarmo

I think it's standing in line, waiting in the arena, etc, etc, that makes people look tiered. I was getting bashed in the front row 3 hours before the band came on stage... didnt get a drop of water. I think I've earned my right to moan once in a while. :peace:

Whatever info htgth gets, they're shared with the community. Should we email all sites with the info as well? Is it THAT difficult to check the first page of the site on a regular basis?

I still don't get the whole protest.

But anyway, it's not like I really care. Each and every one of us is responsible for his/her own actions.

If I had 3000 registered users on my forum I wouldn't use it as a way to force the band into giving me info.

It's fuckin lame.

One more thing. This is an open board which means anybody can come here and read it. You don't even need to register to read the posts here.

Unless you were registered and got banned.




/jarmo

i agree with christos, trying to force the band to release info is very lame.  :confused:

Just let things happen when they happen, because they will when the time is right.   Its not Axl's responsiblity to hold your hand in the meantime.   He said himself in that letter, if you can hang on, great.. if not, its understandable.   The band has booked dates, so they are clearly still active and not just fading away.   Although I have a feeling some of you would rather Axl just go back to his mansion in Malibu and retire forever.  And I wouldn't blame him one bit for doing that.

Yeah, in that case we advise you to open your own forum.

And if you can't afford it, you can blame the GN'R camp for lack of communication or other forums for not helping and then shut it down...

 :hihi:

for the 5,000,000,000th time...it is not about the fans!!...Axl doesnt owe us shit....he already was a part in giving us some of the greatest rock albums in history...who does gnronline.it think they are?? ?I dont understand people that still sit around and get pissed when the record doesnt come out or lack of info....Axl just sent out that letter A FEW MONTHS AGO!!! i remember from 1994 until he got arrested in 1998..i didnt even know if the dude was ALIVE!! let alone working on a new album, we didnt even hear the name "chinese democracy" till late 1999....All the bitching in the world is not going to make the album come out quicker...if it did we would have 10 new albums by now with the amount of bitchin and complaining that goes on...ok im done...

that's not my experience with local forums.
and I've visited quite a few of them. most of them are spamming SOB-s that cant make a single post with out ending it with "visit my forum at www.bullshitonline.com"...
same goes for 99% of fan forums around.
I've only respected 4 forums... in order of appearence
gnr bar...., chinese democracy, gnrtemple and htgth, .
that's about it. every other forum I've been to is a load of crap.

I don't know: I can talk only for me, not for other people (I can only guess, as I said).
I personally decided to hang on, but someone other could try other ways... everyone has the right to decide for himself.

Well, now you know better.

Not all local sites are owned by spammers.

The reason I started a local site was cause most people in Greece had no idea that GNR were still alive, and that was in 2002 when GNR had just toured the US, a bit of Europe and a year earlier they played RIR.

Not cause I couldn't start another big international site... With the money I've spent on all the things I've done with Gunsnroses.gr, I could have an english speaking site which would be on ads all over google...

But why would I do that when my dream GNR site, htgth, already existed.

I wanted to do something for my favorite band, cause I felt like I owed them something. And the Greek site was it.

I've dried out my enthusiasm a long time ago...
in 01.02.03 I was trying to bring the awareness... but I ended up looking like a fool every time.
now I'm just a browser...

I have a local site as well and I don't think it's useless, at least that's not what my visitors tell me. I've been here for more than 8 years and I plan to keep the site running for a while.

For the Italian site, I won't judge what they did, but with all due respect, I'm not sure it deserves 8 pages here. I just think it's too bad for their visitors (even though local sites are "useless" according to certain people). I don't think it's a good idea to show their appreciation or not about the band's communication by closing their site. It's up to them though.

that's right! your site is one of the best out there, I read it everyday.

Christos' site seems great, too, I'm sorry I can't read greek, lol.

I remember your site... unfortunately I havent been there for a while.
gnr Switzerland and France were one of the most important sites in 2001 IMO... and never thought of them as "local sites"...  since they had world wide audience.

and yes, I consider most of the local forums futhile, when forums such as these have diferent language sections for them.
most of the new "local sites" get opened, just because someone's ego is to big to have someone else moderating their posts.
and rarely those sections are fully used.

only people from Brazil seem to be able to find the subforums... others are either blind, or dont care.

A lot of people prefer sites in their own languages.


And like you, I think it's up to the people running the site to decide if they want to close it or not. But when their statement basically attacks me personally and the site we have here, I get a bit confused about their reasons.

As far as I can remember, none of them has contacted me personally with their issues/problems.

We get blamed for not sharing information when I didn't even know there was a problem to begin with. Everything travels fast on the Internet. Sometihng posted at one of the boards gets copied tot he others. For good and bad. I guess there's a wall between the rest of the Internet and them, and nothing ever got copied to their site.



/jarmo

I agree with one thing and one thing only. Axl lie to us and he cares what people are saying about him, why doo you think he goes back to the studio to change the music he is not happy, he will never be happy. He cares what people thinks thats why he wrote the letter saying March 6. how can you keep lying to your fans and touring with nothing new.

I only hope the album comes out soon... and all this useless arguments are behind us.
we dont need this crap anymore.
idle hands are devils playground

All this arguing is sooo irrelevant, because Axl said that CD would be out on the 6th March 2007  : ok: :nervous:

Oooh, no wait, he said he'd keep jerking chains until 3/6/2007  :-X   

The Italian site have the right to shut down because Axl?s behaving like a wanker to his fans

HTGTH has a right to continue because they like AXL being a wanker.

Live 'n let live  :beer:

Wrong, we like Axl being whatever Axl wants to be. While some think it's their right to demand other people to change and be whatever fits their needs.





/jarmo

VERY TRUE, we dont need your pathetic attacks n' stupid name callin'!!

throughout this whole thread their has been nothin' but shit from you!!

TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE!!

who did I call names?
except for the ultranerd from gnronline.it?

too bad some italian geeks let their jealousy over jarmo getting recognized by gnr management destroy a site 3500 fans loved...

I can't believe this is now related by ContactMusic ???

I dont think Axl owes his fans anything.

I certainly dont think he owes me anything.

However if you love a band, it is very frustrating when they dont release any new music.

Making,and releasing, music is the essence of a bands existance. Surely?

I believe they will put the album out this year, but I think people are entitled to vent their frustrations! :rant:

It's a shame the site closed down but I know where the guy is coming from. It must be pretty frustrating having to update a website every day with no "real" news.

I do disagree with him closing the community however. Did he give the users any warning prior to closing it ~ time for users to find another board to hang out at I mean?

yes, they gave large prior warning.

well, i think we can all agree that real fans aren't assholes like you who claims axl is only after money and only thinks of himself.

I dont think calling someone an asshole is allowed here.  : ok:

or even necessary for that matter.

that guy deserves any bashing he gets.  : ok:

Cry me a river, oooohhh cry me a river...

I personally dont give a flying fuck about this italian site. No offenses, but this was the most ridiculous move I've ever seen in the GNR community.