Here Today... Gone To Hell!

well now they see another fucking sign to understand they're humiliated n' fucked up by their own ex-friend, what da'fuck ex-gnr members r gonna do now when Axl has made a cheap publicity to promote his new songs, today axl says "new gnr songs are comin? up" but do they belong to GNR for real this time? Oh c'mon folks, we gotta admit it!, GNR's over since they all broke up in 1996!, Axl n' Dizzy are the ones to stay there but we all know Dizzy has no words to express some fucking opinions 'bout how to rule the band!, I man he?s another employed in there to hear orders!?

... I can't say that Axl's not makin' some good stuff these days, BETTER is a? amazing song but he honestly should call GNR right now : "Axl's musicians", it ain't a good name for da'band? It ain?t? honestly?? ?;D

...i truly love axl rose more than i love life itself but i gotta be honest to make you see that the new band isn't GNR since ex-gnr members are gone!, so if you really love every gnr member then you gotta accept that Axl?s also someone to blame after all this time, i'm wrong?? ::)

i strongly agree with you...? :) Good post.

what the fuck did he just say?

If you and four people built a home... then over time four of the people who helped build the home left you alone. Wouldn't it still be the same home and wouldn't you be allowed to invite in whoever you may wish.. :peace:

Oh God...he's back... :confused:

Axl said new GNR songs are coming up?

...huh?

Very good point, especially if you built most of the home

get over it! you should enjoy GNR 2006 and that's it! ? : ok:

even better point... cheers to GNR 2006

Better is an amazing song, I agree with you, I thought the crowd on the 15th went nuts for it. ?But it isnt an Axl song, its Robins song, Axl wrote the lyrics. ?So we're not going to call it a new song by Axl and Robin, its a new song by Guns n' Roses, because Axl and Robin are in Guns n' Roses. ?I don't recall Axl saying new songs are coming, when did he say that?

You have to be kidding me!! comparing a band to a home is retarded and no they are not the same band.. be real..

glad to hear you didn't commit suicide, old buddy.

i was at the show on the 15th too, i thought it was an amazing show, how about you?

Explain how axl built the band mostly by himself.. cause he didnt!
I love Nu Gnr...

Yea the 15th was great, Im sure all the shows were, I wish I couldve went to more. ?But when did Axl say new songs are coming???

The comparison fits perfectly, the original members built the name/legacy/home what was called Guns N Roses... most the original members left the legacy/name/home... Axl stayed, its his house to invite people into....

and they did alot of remodelling ! which is great

I dont think you love Axl as much as you say you do - not that you have to, anyway...
Well, I do.
To me Axl=GNR. 
Axl+Finck+Fortus+(whoever Axl wants)+.....  still is GNR

Apart from the name, what do you think is more GNR? The new GnR or VR? I think it's new GnR.
Slash alone is not GNR. Duff and Izzy either. I think Axl is.

Dont get me wrong, I love and respect the original line-up, but since I have to choose, I'll go with Axl... He has my full support.

BTW, enough with this shit, I think we should all stop bitching and moaning and enjoy this huge comeback!  :peace:

No its doesnt work like that.. So it would have been perfectly fine for McCartney to run around touring the country calling himself the Beatles.. No!! your comparison is just a way for you to justify it!

Which was Axl's right too in my opinion, the builders of the name/home never got together and said, ok we're going to tear this thing down or end it..... some people just left, new people came.... and this is where we are now. :peace:

and i HATE the phrase "Nu GNR"

after hearing Axl on the Trunk show, and barely scratching the surface of what other problems were in the band, and everything else he said just being cool ... Axl is the spirit of GNR, and members in the band deserve every right to be called Guns n' Roses

Axl, Tracii Guns, Izzy and Ole Becih started GNR, and when Ole and Tracii didnt show up at the first show Axl invited Duff and Slash to join, therefore he built more of GNR and musically he is better

well said Mr I ?:beer:

and dont think for a moment that if slash and duff owned the guns n roses name, that VR wouldnt actually be GNR. ?and VR songs dont compare to the GNR's new songs, so Axl did us a favor ......... and please some one tell me when did axl say new songs are coming !!!!!!!!

No the comparison is spot on... Guns N Roses was never AGREED upon to be disbanded...the root of the members leaving rested in Axl and Duff/Slash disagreeing about musical direction, Axl stood his ground, so did those guys... but they LEFT.. the three never said "Guns N Roses" is no more.... what would you have preferred, the name to die in musical complacency/laziness, or would you prefer the result that happened, Axl taking his time, trying out new members, and eventually putting out an album that will live up to the old name..... I'd rather see the name try to live on, then just die because some people didnt want to try new things... if an appetite rehash happened gnr would be looked upon as an 80's hair band or some shitball act like poison...

Tell em what people think of when they think GNR..Axl/Slash thats GNR..

I have no problem with axl calling NU GNR .. GNR.. I dont lose sleep over it but your comparison is just wrong!

there was no ticket to the nyc shows that had nu GNR on it, it was Guns n Roses, all the merchandise was Guns n Roses, and they performed like Guns n Roses....so basically it was Guns n Roses

I think he could have done like alot of artists and toured under the name Axl Rose.. Many artists have done it and been just fine.. Ozzy..

Sometimes I feel like I'm beating a dead horse........ ::)

In axl's phone interveiw he said Nu GNR and Old GNR..

hell yeah, that's why Paul is the beatles AS WELL!  :hihi:

If paul went around saying he was the beatles he would face alot of heat.. and i think he respects his old bandmates..

yea and michael jackson owns the beatles catalogs so the beatles obviously didnt make alot of good decisions. ?axl made the decision to keep the gnr name, and play the old songs with the current band

The Beatles were larger then GNR.. And also released alot of material...  :peace:

i know that, but known of the members own the songs ... which are worth a shit load.  Axl owsn the gnr catalogue and the old members get royalties.

hell yeah, Paul does that but Axl does as well?  ::)

I would bet its safe to say that Paul.. Is wealthier then axl..

axl will always be associated and compared to guns n roses  . it would be impossible for him to have a different band name or solo thing without getting unfair comparisons.plus when singers change bands or go solo,they usually want to do something way different musically.i think axl is pretty much the same,same voice,same lyrical style and he actually is guns n roses..he knows what hes doing and he knows whats good for the namesake of guns n roses   thats why there is no more buckethead..i was htere may 12 and i didnt miss the big top hat or  or duff or steve...its been along time ago since they were together so im pretty much accustomed to the new millineum guns     just enjoy the show

Well people, you're really crazy  :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: THIS IS NOT GUNS N' ROSESTHIS IS NOT GUNS N' ROSESTHIS IS NOT GUNS N' ROSESTHIS IS NOT GUNS N' ROSESTHIS IS NOT GUNS N' ROSESTHIS IS NOT GUNS N' ROSESTHIS IS NOT GUNS N' ROSESTHIS IS NOT GUNS N' ROSESTHIS IS NOT GUNS N' ROSESTHIS IS NOT GUNS N' ROSESTHIS IS NOT GUNS N' ROSES
VELVET REVOLVER IS more Guns thing than axl's band, 3>1, It's logic, Axl is the best but he's been disappeared all these years due to this, this is his mainly personal problem, he really thinks he's guns n' roses but knows the truth

IMO, GNR does not exist without Axl Rose.
Does The Doors exist without Jim Morisson?

im not arguing with you peeps    youll all be running as fast as you can to jump back on the bandwagon once the album is released

It's the same old Situation.  S.O.S.  Some one call Vince Neil Axl's gonna whoop his ass.

Nu GNR

deal with it nut hugger

No but Van Halen existed with out Lee Roth
Black Sabbath existed without Ozzy

Well, If VR's frontman was somebody as major as Dio, I would gladly dub them GNR - but he's a joke.  :P

That's your opinion, which you are entitled to, however it doesnt necessarily make it a fact. Is he as good a frontman as Axl, no, but he's a damn good one in his own right in my opinion & many other ppls opinions.

I'm sure if he didnt say those bad things about Axl & that he wasnt paired with the "evil" former band members (coz they're such bad ppl  ::) ) then u wouldnt be saying this. Your just riding an Axl band wagon against his suposed advisorys (he probably has way less hate towards VR than any of you axl nut huggers on here & mygnr). Its kinda like how 2Pac fans hate Biggie just coz 2pac hated Biggie (at least in songs it wasnt as big a deal in real life as ppl make out to be)

Regardless of that, its not the quality of the singer, its the principle that there more main core of Gunners (Duff & Slash, hell even Matt) than there is in the nu GNR (yes deal with the name) (Axl & even dizzy since i coundted Matt) so yeh.

My personal opinion is none of the them should be using Guns N Roses. Guns N Roses was Axl Izzy Slash & Duff without 2 or 3 of those components that made them successful neither should get to use the name but Axl made Slash sign over the name before a concert one nite yonks ago so he still gets to use it.

As i said he can control that legally, but what he cant control is our opinions & what we (the public that isnt blinded by a bias unlike half the ppl here & even some of the VR fans) can hear & see. & what im hearing & seeing from either band isnt Guns N Roses from 1985-1994 there both unique & have there own sound & band & they're seperate entitys in MOST peoples eyes & in the end thats whats gonna count. u cant sell records with the ppl in the public buying them can u

Thats what u guys dont seem to get. MOST PEOPLE ARENT HATING on the NEW GNR, as far as MUSIC & SOUND, but as the name seems to imply its the same band as the one from 1986-1994 when it isnt its a different sound different musicians all but 1 is new

eNgIeS, I can see here you're coming from.  But I ensure you I haven't liked Scott since day 1. I think he's insufficient. Slash has always been underestimating himself and he would work with anyone just for the money - you can't argue on that.

I happen to be a big Axl fan and I can think of his band as GNR because I can do without Slash and Duff.
I think Axl has been the 65% of the talent in the original GNR (the rest 35% i beleive it was Izzy).
He is totally capable of finding a bunch of talented guys and form a band - which he did.
I don't care what they're called, they are still better than Slash&Co.

Slash's talent is playing the guitar.  Do you really think his riffs made GNR huge?
Most of the GNR fans can't tell if what they hear is a Slash or a Richie Sambora riff.

I understand Axl+Slash+Izzy+Duff(+Steven)=GNR, but if only one of them has to own the GNR name, it's is Axl.
He's the voice, the face, the soul and most of the talent of GNR.
Of course, this is just my opinion.

it's time to admit it guys, the new band ISN'T GNR anymore, they r just Axl's musicians!, without ex gnr members axl would NOT be our HERO THESE DAYS, i'm wrong?  :D so we gotta open our eyes to understand that ex gnr members have done their best to show they can make greatest hits again without sayin' "WE'RE still GNR just to sell out our new stuff THESE DAYS" but is axl doin' the same RIGHT NOW?  AXL JUST USES THE NAME TO SELL OUT HIS NEW SONGS N' SHOWS TO DATE, Axl'll be always on my mind like the best rock star ever but i can't be a liar n' shut up the shocking truth!  :peace:

Not again....... :-\

 :rofl: :rofl:

At least CD.com isnt the only gnr site getting torchered!

Especially if the home is in your name...

I can only assume by this post that you were not at any of the Hammerstein gigs last week.

Well you havent liked Scott since day 1, thats your opinion, theres plenty who will agree & disagree with you. I like Scott loved STP his a different kind of frontman than Axl is. Axl is better no doubt but Scotts good in his own right & am pleased that if Axl cant get along with Duff & Slash, that Scotts the man to fill in or join them. Theres not many other good frontmen out there these days Scotts the last of a dying breed IMO.

I dont think its necessarily for money. Its a shame that people think that Slash may not actually like what he plays on & he has played on good things like with Michael Jackson. He just likes playing guitar & if his playing can be added to a song im sure he likes doin it & the moneys a bonus

Umm yes  his riffs coupled with axls voice made Guns. He was the 2nd or even tied for most known GNR member. Paul & John, Mick & Keith, Steven & Joe all were there most known in there respective bands. To me Axl Slash Izzy & Duff have a 25% share in GNR's success each for sound & song writing. If u dont have good solos & riffs it can ruin what could be a good song (such as the solo in Rhiad, that songs promising until u hear the crap solo). Slash makes his guitar sing listen to Fall To Pieces thats guitar playing not whatever crappy eratic all over the place solo like the one in Rhiad (again not sure if thats Bucket or what but whoever did it did a horrible job)

The bottom line is theres only 1 component of the real guns n roses where as there was 4 ppl b4 who were contributing i just dont get why it canmt be just "Axl Rose" hell even "Axl" thats a good band name & could work like Ozzy Osbourne. Ozzy couldnt legally use Black Sabbath but even if he could i doubt he wouldve

wow! Vens back - good to see !  :beer:

I think I hear what youre saying Ven, and the majority of people outside of these forums agree as well

you people make me sick

Yes actually. They released two albums as a trio where Robbie Kreiger took over vocals.

Not their most popular but those two albums do have a growing cult following.

I do hate that sentence too :yes:

Besides, for the person who opened this useless topic (like it has never been discussed before :confused:), you don't think this line-up is GN'R, but the original line-up only recorded two albums together (AFD & Lies) The line-up who recorded the UYI was allready different (no Steven), and the line-up that went on tour tu support the UYI albums was again different (no Izzy).

So ... Live and let die ;D

This to me is more GN'R than anything else. And much much much more than VR.

it's not guns n roses, really good band but the old band accomplished to much in the world of rock to just be replaced by anyone axl feels fit... Same shit with teh doors or queen it's not them without freddy or jim.. Any top bands of all time that put gnr in there always talk in the past tense as in broke up... Gnr is pop culture now, they could achieve success with anyone in the band, anyone would go to shows regardles of who was in it.. A band is much more then a name, I could buy the name from axl would you all call it guns n roses still?

Proof is when izzy hit the stage he got the loudest cheers and chants after the song was over.... ?Half the people had no clue who was there onstage...

Those shows were great but not as special watching them playing all/mostly old tunes with people that had zero to do with everything on the instruments... wttj ,.scom, nr, pc, all great slash playing, it's just not the same without the people who are worldy famous for gnr..

Doesn't prove anything. He got the same cheers when he joined VR onstage.

People where just happy to see him onstage with Axl, it doesn't mean they hate the other guys.

Man, the four shows were sold-out ! And believe me, not for Izzy.

As for musical acomplishment, yes the old line-up made some good things, but I honestly think that the best is yet to come.

well of course he did at vr concerts because they are mostly gnr fans... if it was a bunch of people who had no clue who izzy was who would be cheering? Even once the song was over they were still chanting for him, ask most people there and they'd take him back in a second... Forum fans are such a small vision of what is reality..

The old band made some good things :hihi: that's an understatement if I ever heard one.. :rofl:
four shows were sold out and not even half the people knew who was in the band.. GNR does a show people buy it doesn't matter who's in or out at this point, the name is bigger then any member there today.. You had all those celebrities like lindsey lohan going, it's pop culture, seeing gnr today is trendy...

In all time rock they always measure up roughly top ten, this is why they sell, the old band made them ,this is just the past helping the new..

Axl owns the name.
He could put SpongeBob SquarePants
Into lead guitar

And it would be Guns.
True, you don't have to like it,
But HE owns the name.

Splash

/Mike

you could be right but please remember that Axl just uses the NAME to promote his new album, this way the guy keeps his fame alive while people think he's the same rock star that the planet knew before but should EX-GNR members do the same after bein' humiliated by AXL this way ?
-hell yeah, they should go out n' say to Axl:? "HEY AXL, WE ARE GNR TOO, WITHOUT US YOU WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY,GOT IT?!!!!? ?:rant: "

...but they're ALL so fucking jerks to say it on some tv show!, i'm wrong?? ::)

I'm sorry... The correct answer was "no".  ::)

hey Lara. u r not takin' this so far?  :-\  :hihi:

so maybe we'll have two great records(CD and Libertad) and two great tours(GnR and VR) to see this year instead of just one or the other

5/17 at the Hammerstein sold me to the new band

I hope so, I love the new band, I just don't think of it as gnr is all..

there not the original line-up but now we have two great bands to see live ;D

we know how you feel, do you have to say it in every single thread? Seriously dude your like a broken record, "its not gnr, its not gnr, its not gnr". Over and over again. Its about time you got over it.

 ???  ???

(what do the quotes above have to do with what i'm saying...?)

At least for the people that have read here for years it seems pretty obvious. You would think they could stop repeating it.

.that's right!, Adler can say he's GNR as well, so if axl can tell it then why ex GNR members can't?  :rant: :rant: :rant:

Basically, because he's got the legal rights.  :-\

But he cant own our opinion & view of reality

Yeah, but this is one of the world's greatest rock bands, not a home. : ok:

If you want to think
That two plus two equals five,
You may.  But it's false.

Splash

/Mike

the magic of gnr back in the day was the world fell in love with them.. Nobodies that became global sucesses, household names, so many millions of albums sold... That's something you can't just recreate.. The gnr name has a massive following, they were one of the biggeest rock bands in history.. People loved them for that what you see is what you get raw feel... Their attitudes, their swagger, their don't care attitudes...

You just can't recreate these things, many old bands that were huge make changes but they still have success simply because they have die hard fans that follow the name..

I'll even use vr as an example, it wasn't some special magic, it was just scott slash duff fans following one of their projects..

people follow axl and gnr because those two things are special to them, but the magic of what made gnr great is no longer there regardles of how talented the players are....

it's like loving a team 69 or 86 mets, sure there are better teams but that was just magical though... Anyione can start an all star team, but you'll still love the teams you have been following,,.,

When it comes to loving a music group it has to be a natural thing ,somethign you just love, something that wasn't already huge using it's past success to regain glory..

It's like KISS could start again and throw on makeup and do one of their fairwell tours and they would do great regardless of who was in the band, it's all due to past success....

-EX GNR members used to share their drugs with axl
-they used to share their food with him when they weren't rich n' famous
-they used to roam around L.A city just to find a place to get through the night
-so why Axl gotta destroy'em this way to date? ...guess the guy isn't a good human being really!  :no: :'(


  :nervous:

Everything from these 'new guns' isn't going under Guns N' Roses on my ipod anyway. All this new leaks n live stuff is going under  'Axl Rose and friends...' Because lets face thats what it is. Nice to see some people are realists here to and actually would agree with me on that. If you think Chinese Democracy is gonna be better than Appetite, you are a disgrace.

How you personally classify the new songs on your iPod means nothing whatsoever. And for the record, people having their own opinion or outlook on a project doesn't make them a disgrace.

that's pretty much my view, but can't make everyone feel that way..

it's like gnr storms nyc article.. Was it really world famous gnr out there, it could have been anyone out there... it's like the vmas, was that really one of jimmy fallons favorite bands out there?? I mean it's the name, his favorite band wasn't there..  Gnr was a band, now it's an individual using the name.. Everyone is so excited for new gnr that everyone was talking and hoping reunion in music,., Everyone that did interviews as fans was saying I hope to see izzy...

I personally continue to be disinterested in Izzy rejoining in any fashion. And I still cannot understand how people who went to the Hammerstein gigs don't see that they are very much functioning as a true band by this point.

I bet most of the pro "nu gnr", have never seen the real gnr live

I certainly did.
"New" Guns is Guns n' Roses.
That's the way it is.

Splash

/Mike

gnr was a particular group of people

look how much the lineup has changed just in the paast 50 years whilst recording CD

its just axl and a load of hired guns


take a car, then strip the thing leaving only a engine... is it still a car?? nope just a engine calling itself a car :/

why did you change the thread title Ven?

I saw GNR in 91, 92, 93, 02 & 06. Having seen about incarnation I can say that this band really has what it takes to be Guns N 'Roses.

Ok McGann.....so you're telling me this current band we are seeing called Guns N Roses is the same one responsible for hits like Jungle, Paradise, Sweet Child & November Rain?

I always thought of gnr as the young guys brought up by your farm team in baseball.. Home grown talent that your team raised that became stars, unknowns..


I look at the newer like a team that wins the world series but are made up of all stars simply to win... Kind of like a yankee thing, sure they are very talented but it's not the same as raising them yourself..

For the record I have done nothing but praise each player, so I am not talking about their talents, just simply the use of name and how big this band is..

There's a reason each time I tell someone I went to hammerstein or I'm going that they say it's "only" axl right? Granted I speak to people my age or older, so they tend to be more faithfull and realistic about values in who's in a legendary band

Agree wholeheartedly

Yes most people I know (casual fans who would still go to the concert coz they like the songs) say its only Axl, or the ones that say ohh they're back i say "no not all band members on axl is back" "that sucks then" "nah the musics good the bands good they just arent the same GNR as b4" "thats sucks not looking forward to the album"

Its a shame but thats the battle they face. I personally think callin the band Axl or Axl Rose or even Rose would still do well just because Axl is Axl, but by calling it GNR it confuses ppl & some will fell ripped off (come on, u dont tell me u dont feel a lil ripped off not seeing Duff Slash & Izzy in the band with Axl)

of course I went to each show in nyc,... I twas very tough because I was raised on gnr another way... Slash for me was a main part, every solo I hear from every song I love is him whaling away, every time I watch making the videos or wttv's it's him and them...  The hardest part too is not being so familiar with the new lineup, then having so many old tunes played by people who had nothing to do with them... I know what the beatles should look like, it can't just be anyone with that name.. :peace:

"People will hear music this year"

Rolling Stone Interview Jan 2006

Firstly, in reference to the name dying, you could argue that's whats been happening for the last 13 years. Very slowly. But, it's always better to burn out then fade away. He's attempting to ressurect it now but he allowed GnR to fade away instead of burning out, not a good thing for their legacy.

An Appetite Rehash is exactly what's happening at these gigs, so to use that as a defence for Axl is odd. Third of all, I love Appetite and I don't care if music critics or anyone else look upon them as an 80's band, another hard rock album would have been perfect. In fact that's what Axl wanted to do had Slash stayed in the band.

Money and who legally owning the rights doesn't make it right. It makes it legal, but it doesn't make it GnR. If Michael Jackson started a beatles cover band and called it the Beatles, whether or not he had a legal case still wouldn't make it right.

IMO GNR shouldn't exist without Slash or Izzy either.

Well, most casual fan says SCOM is the best song and that was their biggest hit and most people say Slash's intro riff is GnR's best moment so your first point is clearly bullshit. The intro to WTTJ and the outro to NR and all his parts to PC were key to the success of them songs also, so Slash played a big part in all the hits, which is what makes a band huge in the first place.


It's easy to tell the difference between a Slash and Richie Sambora riff. Slash's riffs are classic, Richies are shit.

Yeah, but only because you threatened to burn it down unless it was signed over!

Even Axl is referring to the bands as NewGnR and OldGnR interviews. Even when Izzy left people weren't specifying the difference. Therefore Axl has admitted this is a new band. Therefore this is not Guns N' Roses.

Lets put this in the context of other major bands of the last 40 years. Someone mentioned The Beatles. Well what if Led Zeppelin continued with only Plant? What if Black Sabbath continued with only Dio or Ozzy?, What if AC/DC continued with brian johnson? Ask yourself that question for every classic band there has ever been, those are just some of my faves. And now ask yourself this, What if Guns N' Roses continued with only Axl?
It would be sacrelige, just like the rest of 'em.

Huh? Axls been calling it a new band since RIR3 and everyone else on the planet has been calling it a new band since Oh My God was recorded. What Axl refers to it as doesn't make it "not Guns N' Roses". What it is, what they do and the music they will put out makes it Guns N' Roses.

I think huge bands need certain members, that's all I'm saying... One person only didn't make gnr, so it's kind of sad to think one person ows it today and acts like it's still the same by getting that first class treatement...

This isn't 3 door down we're talking about, we're talking about a group, notice I said group.. That started a musical tidlewave from the late 80's and sold so many millions of albums... These men are still spoken of to this day, they weren't fly by nighters .. Slash has been named top guitarist several times, his scom riff has been called number one in many countdowns, gnr have been top ten bands of rock of all time... You can't just substitute the ingredients and call it the same thing...

Every major gnr song scom,. wttj pc, nr, dc, estranged, coma, civil war has some great guitar work, all memorable that wouldn't have been the same without the solos n riffs... it works both ways, they needed eachother...

It's official, you are now my favourite llama!

Of course I am not,
It doesn't, in fact, matter.
Here's an example.

When I was a kid,
I LOVED the "Marathon" bar.
Big caramel braid

Chocolate covered.
Stopped production long ago.
Now, "Marathon"'s back

But it's different.
It's some protein bar thingy
No appeal for me.

I miss "Marathon"
The way I remember it
But that one is gone.

I cannot say that
The new one's not "Marathon"
Legally, it is.

Weird analogy
But it does, in fact, apply.
That's how the law works.


Splash

/Mike

I speak for everyone here when i say, that's a bit stupid......

Splash?

Everyone keeps forgetting one major thing. None of these guys (except for Steven) were fired by Axl. They all CHOSE to leave one by one because they don't want to be involved in the direction that GNR was/is heading.

It's like the Pink Floyd split. When Roger Waters quit in 1985 he claimed that Pink Floyd was "a spent force creatively". Then in 1987 the band put out another album without him and he was furious. He went about making all sorts of claims about how he WAS Pink Floyd and you couldn't have the band without him. But to the other three guys credit, they kept pointing out that they didn't feel their band should be over just because Roger decided they were over.

I realize the numbers aren't the same, but the principle is. As much as you guys seem to love Slash, Duff & Izzy, those guys all chose not to be a part of Guns N' Roses. What is Axl supposed to do? Just say "Oh well.... I guess if those guys have chosen not to be here then this band is over?" .

From everything they all eluded to on Behind The Music they didn't like the direction that Axl wanted to take the band and that's why they left. We've had a chance to hear some of the direction that Axl was going in and for the most part we all seem to love it. It's for all of these reasons that it's still Guns N' Roses to me. Does that mean it's gonna be GNR to the average Joe? Nope. Never will. But that's not what really matters to Axl in the end. I think what matters to him today is the same thing that mattered in 1986 through today: making the best possible music under the Guns N' Roses banner as possible.

simply put yes, axl is supposed to say ok all the members of the band have quit this means we shelf the name go our seperate ways and use ti again if one day we can meet eye to eye again.. A break up is a break up, wether it's one a guy a year or whatever.. It's like when vince neil left motley crue it wasn't motley crue anymore, when dlr left van halen it wasn't van halen anymore..  Many bands have the decency to call their solo projects seperate names from their super famous bands.. The ones that do keep the name do it only to keep the fans coming.. Axl has to do nothing to promote the band, he could shit on the album and whistle dixie and the loyal gnr fans would buy it, plus the others who are buying gh's.. Point is the other guys made the band something, now it's living off the past..

ac/dc, metallica, motley crue, etc could just say hey we're touring and people would flock to the shows, the fan abses are so huge that the name now exceeds the membership.. Axl knows this so he just keep the name because he doesn't have to promote or do leg work to show off his new band, he can just say hey gnr is coming to town and everyone from 15 to 50 turns their head...

Plus gnr was dead, there was no reason to resurect it, I thought it was a sad thing, they broke up but hey they ruled the world at one time and a reunion was always possible.. When izzy left they had huge obligations to fufill, they had tour dates double platinum albums, money to be made... Here it's a little different...

I just don't see it as very different at all. I still don't think that Axl uses the name for the draw power. I very much feel that those guys all just walked away from GNR and he replaced them as they did so. That the major difference I think. Guns N' Roses never "broke up" by definition. Slash left and the others left soon after that. Nothing like this has ever happened in the history of rock besides maybe The Yardbirds or Pink Floyd.

All those other examples (Motley Crue, Van Halen, AC/DC) involve someone who was either fired or died. With the members of GNR, they decided to leave. On their own. Because they didn't like the way the band was going. Just like Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton with the Yardbirds. The only time when they decided to change the name of the Yardbirds was when every component was finally changed not just because Beck then Clapton left.

well I wouldn't call it gnr regardles of whoever from the old band owned the name.. That's how I see it.. I go to se axl these days and that's it, and see the familiar name,..

Thats bullshit man and you know it. Why should he stop using the name because the other guys tried to kill it by leaving? Axl wasnt the guy who tried to kill the band, that was slash, duff etc. Not only that but it was GNR BEFORE slash, duff etc were even in the band. So logicaly it would still be GNR after they left.

come on the guys who were there for two months hardly count. They both started in 85..

if this is gnr to you then great, i have done nothing but say how good the new guys were live at all the shows.. I just don't think it's gnr with anyone you decide to hire..

Umm wrong actually Guns N Roses didnt exist until Axl Izzy Duff Tracii Guns (thus the name) & some drummer joined. Traci left so Steve & Slash joined & HELPED MKAE GNR WHAT IT WAS!

Slash & Duff didnt try to kill it, Axl wanted to be the one in control & it turned into a dictator ship that it is now (by that im not saying Axl was an asshole to band mates, but more or less he has the final say on the bands creativity

And we can tell by Contraband, Loaded and the Snakepit records that this is a good thing.

You really dont know your gnr history very well do you? Axl, Izzy, Tracii Guns, Ole Beich and Rob Gardner, that is the original guns lineup.

and who knows any of those people that are into gnr music? Not talking about die hards that know this history..

You're getting rediculous now, these people had zero to do with success of the band...

Even btm skipped them :hihi:

We're talking a few months here, a few strip shows... if that's what you call gnr then congrats,..

that's why New GnR, NuGnR or whatever fits....the current incarnation of GnR

Orig guns is dead and gone :'( interestingly though, i even consider the UYI guns to be orig guns. well minus Dizzy...always considered him a live musician...an addition if you will, IMO Dizzy is on par with Teddy Zig Zag, Traci, Roberta and the 976 horns

the younger crowd considers this current version to be GnR cuz that's all they've known...simple as, and it don't matter what they are told or what our PoV is...they still see Axl, Robin, Bumble, Richard, Tommy, Dizzy, Chris & Brain as GnR.

I've been into GNR since I bought Appetite at a Pace Warehouse with my older sister in 1987 and I still consider the current line up to be Guns N' Roses. Just for the record.

but the amount of people that bought afd first hand that considers these guys gnr to those who don't is so one sided... it's like mini me fighting mike tyson in his prime..

haha good point mike :hihi:

yeah the odd person will feel the way you do russtcb, but deep down in your heart....who would you rather see at a gnr concert? if you say the orig lineup then you are just as bias as we are :P if it don't matter to you, then both versions are gnr :peace:

when i saw GnR in 2002 i only went to see Axl....now if they swing my way I'll go to see Axl again...but I'm psyched to see Bumblefoot too : ok: and Robin i guess, but i just want him to impress me cuz i got a really bad impression of him in 2002

Thats not what I meant. Even though Tracii Guns helped to write alot of the stuff on Appetite before slash was even in the band and never got credit for it because he signed his rights away. But I guess you rabid slash fans didnt knwo about that because slash "wrote all his own guitar parts!"  : ok:

well i'm sure tracii wrote some of the melodies and stuff, but with izzy and Axl and gardiner and whoever else...but I'm sure slash put his own spin on things when he arrived or even made entirely different solos...i find it very hard to believe that he took Tracii Guns' solos and played them note for note...i don't know a guitarist who ever plays other people songs exactly how they originally were written.

im not talking about solos, im talking about riffs and melodies etc. The fair majority of the stuff was written by Tracii.

according to Tracii ::)

if he's so great, then how come LA Guns and Brides of Destruction suck so much? :hihi:

I'll tell you why cuz the orig five guys in GnR took those AFD songs and made them their own...that's why :P Tracii is just kicking himself in the balls for picking the wrong side back in '84 or '85 or whatever and now talks shit to whoever will listen

Well Robin Finck tries and Bumblehead and Fortus, so now you do. And don't try and say they put their own spin on things, becuase even when they do they only do it for about half the solo and then resort to Slash's again.
And you honestly beleive that dickhead Tracii Guns? It's obvious from Slash's body of work over 20 years or so that Appetite has Slash written all over it. We all have proof he came up with WTTJ, Sweet Child, Paradise City, It's So easy (w. West originally on acoustic i think). Izzy came up with the Out Ta Get Me riff, and that's all i can gather from old interviews and things with the band. But i'm sure Izzy and Slash did the rest too. Like the band has said (including Axl), pretty much all Appetite songs were written about things that were going on at the time of recoring. Tracii left the band in 1984/85 so what the hell kinda songs did he write with the band? Maybe you and him listen to a different AFD from the rest of us. And lastly if you listen to tracii's other bands they dont sound close to the riffs or anything in Appetite as regards style. And fuck up about that being the original band anyways, you might as well say Hollywood Rose was the original band if you wanna be that stupid. Without Slash, Izzy, Duff, or even Steven Adler there wouldn't be a guns n roses and me and you wouldn't be arguing about it. People like you piss me off. :rant:

whoa...settle beavis...i think you combined CB and myself there in your little rant. :hihi: anyway for the most part yes they do play the orig stuff, but they still don't play it exactly like "slash" did which was my point.

as for tracii's contributions to AFD....I think we're almost of the same mind on that issue Mr Bootlegs :hihi: :peace:

There are so many things wrong with that paragraph man, i dunno were to start.

whatever, mr. hudson ::) write us a little essay, then, on how the AFD album was written and recorded....I can't wait to read it.....since you were there and all

I was wondering the other day if Slash even cares all that much that Axl is going on with the GNR name. Has anyone ever read anything that says one way or the other. I mean, seeing as he quit, I wonder if he even cares.

i think that him and Duff were quoted as saying that it's not GnR at some point recently (like 2 or 3 years ago). but this year everybody is freinds again...so who knows what to think anymore :confused: :-\

Umm Contraband was a very good album & i think if Axl was involved it wouldve been great but it was stilla  very good album as Weiland is a very good frontman. The only people who dont like it are the Axl-ites here who are obsessed with disrespecting & hating Axl's so called "enemies" when u guys probably harbor more ill feelings towards them than Axl does himself

iIt was a difference of opinion no one could agree on songs doesnt mean they really hate each other you guys just make it out to be alot worse than what it is, & spend ur time 24/7 on here taking every little news bit lyric article & blow it up way out of proportion & create reasons to hate slash duff or any ex member & speculate on this & that coz ur all a bunch of obsessed tossers with no lifes :D

Snakepit were crap i think that was just put together just so slash could play somethin he's said in later interviews he wasnt pleased with it, so dont dare put Snake pit in the same sentence as Velvet, Snakepit wasnt 1/100th of what Velvet is

exactly

I personally find Contraband to have 2 good songs on it. Loving The Alien and Slither. That has nothing to do with Axls feelings for Scott Weiland one way or the other. Thats my personal opinion about the album and has been since my rep gave it to me over two years ago (well before any words erupted between Weiland and Axl).

As far as the validity of VR that remains to be seen, but the verdict is already in on Contraband. It's just really not the sum of its parts. Weiland can produce alot better and we know the rest of the band can produce alot better. It will be very much forgotten with time.

 :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:   i'm so sure that ex GNR members r claimin' to come back to GNR THIS YEAR but Axl is there just to kick'em in the ass over n' over so that's why Axl is LORD for everyone to date, their ex mates can't stop adorin' him after all this time, then today should we all love GNR as well?   :rant:

ive been reading this thread and havent noticed anyone say this so..
heres my way of expllaining about gnr ..
Think Axl Rose as a Manager of some big name Soccer team. Every couple years or so he drops out team mates and repklaces them with fresher faces for new material and basicly to make the team better.
But does trthe manager stop calling his team England ? NO cus he owns the rightds to the team so he can do whatever he sees fit to make the team right no matter what the public think. So think slash, duff, adler as old hat footbal players who arent as gud anymore and need to be replaced by fitter players.
Probably ythe most stupid way of explaiing it but hey  a none die hard gnr fan should be able to understand that ;)

Worst....analogy......ever! Comparing a band with a football team. you sould be shot.

Obviously neither of us were there, so i'd rather believe what the band have said in past interviews, rather than trying to figure out some conspiracy theory. I suppose you americans didn't land on the moon either?

There have been several interviews were they say its not guns n roses anymore, most obviously would be the VH1 BTM special were Slash says that "most people think its sacrelige but he doesn't give a hot fuck!" Of course they care

Well i know i wasn't there ;) I'm just peicing together interviews from all sides.

Axl and Izzy were in a couple bands with Tracii and Rob Gardiner before GnR that's why i am of that mind...

btw I'm not american either :P but the U.S. lunar landing is another messed-up conspiracy theory :hihi:

slash and duff aren?t good anymore? That?s new to me... so isn?t Axl right? Axl should be replaced to by some new fellow... Soz but i really don?t agree with u. :-\

Exactly, the thing i disagree with on that football analogy, is that you say Axl is the manager of the band. I belive the manager was Alan Niven back then or Doug Goldstein as well. Axl just happened to be the egotistical singer of the band who thought and still thinks he IS Guns N' Roses. And it's sad to see people are agreeing with him, when he just plays the old songs with the exception of a few that suck, (apart from the blues)

I for one don't agree with him. I thought that the people that were in the band back then were Guns N' Roses. Since some of them have quit and replaced with people I feel are very qualified for the job, I view the new band as Guns N' Roses as well. I don't think it's GNR just because Axl is involved.

 :beer:   samoice , I KNOW U R RIGHT, Axl is just doin' what he wants to, these days he rules the band, everyone gotta do what da'guy is sayin', IF YOU HEAR Better you'll notice that the old GNR ain't come back anymore   :no: :rant:  , ...i mean CAN Y'ALL IMAGINE SLASH'S PLAYIN' WITH AXL THIS NEW SONG? hell, i honestly CAN'T!!!!!  ::)

why didnt you kill yourself??????
this is a very very lame topic...

And thats a good thing in my opinion. I love that song.

Slash gotta play it with Axl when axl's been destroyin' his ex-mates for years  :( :rofl:  ?  I guess you r not a gnr fan at all cuz ur opinion makes me think u've only been hearin' Shakira after all this time!  :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

...plus:  i do as well. listen to the chords Richard and Finck play, so much more interesting than the power chords of Izzy and Slash. but when you compare Richard/Finck's riffs to Izzy/Slash's, it's obvious that Izzy and Slash's are better. the 2 bands are both great, but....

we must live in the present, and as of right now, 'new' GN'R is what is playing, so just appreciate them and all the hard work they've done!  :rant:

What side of the argument do you represent?  :rofl:

:-\

:-\    u never went to school so that's why you can understand that i'm always ironic, but it's not too late to learn so go n' use a good dictionary right now!!!  :yes: : ok: 

I love your posts. Seriously.

He's from da Hood

Slash gotta play it with Axl when axl's been destroyin' his ex-mates for years  :( :rofl:  ?  I guess you r not a gnr fan at all cuz ur opinion makes me think u've only been hearin' Shakira after all this time!  :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:
Huh?? I love how when anyone disagrees on this board they're automatically "not a GNR fan"

...plus:  i do as well. listen to the chords Richard and Finck play, so much more interesting than the power chords of Izzy and Slash. but when you compare Richard/Finck's riffs to Izzy/Slash's, it's obvious that Izzy and Slash's are better. the 2 bands are both great, but....
Here's another thing no one here seems to understand; the above is YOUR OPINION. Just stating it doesn't make it correct. Being in the majority doesn't make it correct. Nothing will make it correct, that's why it's opinion and not fact.

oh yeah, u r so fucking right Mr God, let me kill myself in front of you!!!  ::)

wow people get awfully passionate and pissed off stating there opinions around here.....

If we want our Axl fix, we have GnR  ;D

If we want our Slash / Duff / Matt fix, we have VR  ;D

luckily, the 2006 version (why do I feel Like I'm talking about software :hihi:) of GnR is a way better live show the v2002

and VR just puts on a unfuckenbelievable live show so why is everyone up in arms ???

What would really be nice is if they would be kind enough to co-headline a tour and play NYC for about 2 weeks before going off to the rest of the US so i could see my favorite bands and save a few bucks :hihi:

Again, completely incorrect assessment of the post. It's not about being right or wrong. What people are stating on here are OPINIONS and you need to get that through your head.

hmm finally people who agree with me on this band being called something else, and i see a lot of opinions saying "what are you complaining about now we have GN'R and VR" but the thing is..its not GN'R its Axl Rose and a GN'R Cover Band thats it...i mean there playing 95% of the set list  written by other musicians...change the damn name Axl you werent the entire band back in the day, you have no moral right to do this

...   :hihi: ok, i just can see people can't admit the fucking reality THIS TIME but anyway we all gotta see it sooner or later, i mean GNR is destroyed since 1996 (when they couldn't go on together anymore):

-EX GNR members have made shit to called ?rock band? since then

- Axl just disappeared for so many years just to say at rock in rio 2001 :" I never denied y'all something good to enjoy"

?so what kind of crap we've been supporting after all this fucking time? God damn it   :rant: !, we're human beings, not fucking retards who can't analyze lies !!!  >:(

Don?t ya think we deserve some fucking respect like fans?   :-\

...   :hihi: ok, i just can see people can't admit the fucking reality THIS TIME but anyway we all gotta see it sooner or later, i mean GNR is destroyed since 1996 (when they couldn't go on together anymore):

-EX GNR members have made shit to called ?rock band? since then

- Axl just disappeared for so many years just to say at rock in rio 2001 :" I never denied y'all something good to enjoy"

?so what kind of crap we've been supporting after all this fucking time? God damn it   :rant: !, we're human beings, not fucking retards who can't analyze lies !!!  >:(

Don?t ya think we deserve some fucking respect like fans?   :-\

I completely agree with you on points like this. However, I just LOVE the directions things are going in now so I've decided to be happy about it. When the leaks happened if I hadn't like the music I would've been disappointed and moved on. But the strength of the music and the quality/quantity of shows makes me feel like I waiting for at least some reason. Ya know?

...don't ya think someone gotta stop every gnr member right now just to set'em all on their fucking feet again? me, i do!  >:(

cool thought, makes sense

hey, wait a second, we all know that no one left the band, at first adler got fired so Axl understood that was the right time to put every member out of GNR when they were able to say "NO" to him? :hihi: , so who ya foolin', Guy?? ::)

did you take your medicine today?

yeah the guy is all over the place... Bring back slash n izzy, but keep this band the way it is :hihi:

Can anyone make sense of AxlRoseVen's posts? I have no idea what is going on.

I know ya don't wanna face the fucking truth but let me tell ya anyway that we're all talkin' to a corpse right now n' i'll explain you why : Ex GNR members r gone forever, axl has a new band that's called "GNR" still so everyone understood that they will not be the same anymore since 2001!, no offenses, no jokes, i just say what it's real today!  :peace:

they are gone right now, anything can happen in the future same way the band changed it can reform in some way..

maybe u r right but everything's been gettin' more n' more absurd since gnr played at rock in rio 2001, B.H left the band so sooner or later we might see axl does the same  :'(

Well the band has changed many times, look at when oh my god came out you had a different band, then in 2001 it was different, in 2002 it changed in 2006 it changed again.. Only  a few have been there long

Then r ya meanin' that gnr is gonna sound like Britney Spears soon just cuz they're designated to change frequently?  :o

i love that there called guns n roses. For me axl is guns n roses, it wouldn't work without him. It works without everyone else. The shows this year are testament to that.

...oh yeah, Axl could record every gnr song without his ex-mates
- ex gnr members didn't do a thing that time
-slash has nothing to do with November Rain n' Locomotive
-izzy never wrote a song for gnr cuz robin wrote with axl don't cry n' patience
- axl was the only one to produce every note  :hihi:

I think he means in a live setting. No-one can replicate the vocals.

...so what?    :rofl:

....can the new members create new solos like Slash ?  ::)

No, but Guns new material is evolving. They don't call for Slash solos. They call for Robin solos.

oh u r right!, robin solos are amazing, slash should be ashamed cuz he can't play like robin,no doubt   ::)  !!!!

The solos in the new material fit the new material. Robin, Richard and Ron are not trying to be Slash. That makes me pretty happy. I can hear a bar band play solos exactly like Slash so I'm glad these guys don't.

Im glad you are destined to see my point, WTF!!  ???!!  ::)!!!

oh, so u r facin' that those new members can make music but ever they won't create masterpieces like ex gnr members did! , what axl gonna say next,this? : "we have a new name for the band just to make you see what's the difference today"   :hihi:


 :-\

I personally couldn't see Slash coming up with something better for a solo in The Blues.  : ok:

 ?:o :rant: :crying: how u say that? what about Bumblefoot? that guy did his best to play in GNR...gnr gave?em a chance but all they did it fine too... anyway!, do you think it's so easy to find a guitar player like Bunblefoot? hello!!!! , you can roll around the world n' never find a' amazing musician like him!!! so the new gnr members have much to do with gnr these times, no matter if you're agree with it or not! ? :yes: : ok: :nervous:

Read the post again. That is in no way shape or form what I said.

Here's the thing; if you love old GNR then get out your old GNR albums and have a ball. The rest of us are looking to the future.

I don't know about that : ok: I've seen bar bands with talented guitarists that couldn't pull off slash's sound

but that's another matter

the new members solo's fit the new songs fine.....hopefully when this tour gets back to NYC we'll get to hear more of them ;D

oh ok!, so ex gnr members r for ya broken shoes that axl once forgot? ?:confused: :-\ :o :rant:? 

...don't ya feel sad when you see/hear the old gnr's stuff then? ?:(? ?? ? at least slash is rich n' famous forever while you'll just be a simple human being? :hihi:?

I'm not sure if you think it's cool to post stuff that no one else understands but to each his own I guess.

The only time I feel sad when I listen to stuff like Estranged and I think of the heights that people like Slash were pushed to be Axl only to have them not want to reach and surpass those heights.

As far as Slash being famous and only being a simple human being, that's pretty much anyone whos ever had any fame so it's nothing wonderful Slash did.