Here Today... Gone To Hell!

anyone know why throughout his career robin finck (he is now over 30 i guess) has not recorded much material that has been released - besides the fact that he is in a band that doesn't put out albums very quickly? the only songs/records (except the nin live stuff) finck plays on are "ghost of mars soundtrack" (or some other carpenter movie) and "further down the spiral" (here, it's only one song: "the art of selfdestruction part one). are there other cd's that can be bought where finck's art of playing can be witnessed? or songs written by him? i also wonder if there are other musical projects where finck was the creative force...

well he will be studio guy,because he is a part of the best rnr album in last 10 years

IDEM

hbk *

There's a track on NIN's Still CD, too.  The only NIN track to be recorded by the exact line-up that played live.

What does that mean?

Oh good, I'm not the only one :hihi:

IDEM = umm, that he means the same, or has the same point of view, agreeing

guys .... http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/idem

I have absolutely no idea. He obviously got song writing talent, so who the hell knows? 


GN'R and everything that surrounds it are a mystery wrapped in an enigma. There are so many things that doesn't make sense, which is also part of the draw, at least to me.

He plays on like 4-5 songs on the Ghost of Mars soundtrack too.

Atleast with Nin you have to be either Trent Reznor or atleast a producer or a studio engineer of some kind if you want your creative input to end up anywhere near the studio where TR is recording a Nin record.
Finck has to be pretty unique in a way. He has played in something like 4 world tours including mainstaging largest summer festivals there is, Rock In Rio x 2, Woodstock 94. Yet,NO relevant amounts of creative input released.
Hope it changes and he someday gets some influence and spotlight he might wekl deserve somewhere.
Always liked the guy. :yes:

I really like the guy.
I wanna hear his input.
he's my favorite of the new lineup, and I'd really like to see him shine, or be dark... which ever he prefers!

If I had to pick my favorite of the new lineup, I'd have to say Izzy !    :peace:

Hello? He's not in the band...

I guess you knew it and you're only testing to see how long before we kick your reunion ass out of here.




/jarmo

do you know what track?

Here, I changed my answer to show that I am a team player. I didn't say this to be sarcastic. I thought at this point it was unknown what Mr. Stradlin's role in the band is. Guess I was wrong? Sorry again.   :-X

Don't be too sorry. Finck is my favorite new(er) member but I thought your post was funny. People around here just seem to have a bad attitude. A bad, overly paranoid, overzealous and protective attitude.

True, Finck has never recorded a full studio album. Its just never happened. He has done some work with NIN, and on some GNR tracks like SCOM and Oh My God (he denied being on oh my god, but axl says he's on the track). He also did work for the Ghosts of Mars soundtrack.

I don't think his lack of studio recorded and  released work  is a weakness, he's spent the better part of a decade working on CD.

Thankx, Jonathan. I'm not really sorry. Sometimes it's just easier to say that .

Regardless of what "some" think , I'm a huge fan of the new band. I've been lucky enough to see them twice before and I'll happily see them again, if possible. ?I think Democracy will be an epic album and I cannot wait to own it !

In Jarmo's defense, I can see why he would not want people coming to the board and posting things like "the new band sux" over and over and over. That's fair and I 100% agree. Those people DO NOT belong here. ?Plus, that statement is completely untrue. In this particular situation, I don't see what's wrong w/ me mentioning Izzy, but whatever. As far as I'm concerned, Izzy IS a member of the GNR family regardless. I mean C'mon, him and Axl go way, way back ! I mean if you're willing to accept the "two drummer" theory, you SHOULD be able to accept Mr. Stradlin as being part of the band in some capacity. Besides, I'm sure if we were to find out he HAS in fact contributed to Democracy, some people's opinions would change. ? : ok:

BTW,

I would have to say my new fav member would have to be Pittman.

Not sure why ?  Probably because of his contribution to Madagascar.   :peace:

Izzy is very cool.

Hooray!


Thanks for telling us.

That's a good point you make. People are so willing to accept the nonsensical idea of there being "two official drummers in GN'R because they said so" which is like telling a child Santa Claus is real, yet accepting that Izzy has played numerous shows with them and is strongly rumored to have contributed something to the new album is just...beyond impossible.

It's not strongly rumoured, people just started speculating about it after he played a few songs at a bunch of shows.

Not to take this too much more off topic, but what constitutes a being a member of GNR nowadays?  Is Frank Ferrer is considered a member, I say Izzy may be too.  Do you have to have a recording on Chinese Democracy to be a member? 

Something tells me Adz is digging the whole Izzy in the band theory.    :yes:

PhillyRiot,

I haven't seen you since Jarmo told you to get over the riot.? ? :hihi:

That's my point, if you accept Ferrar as a member, Izzy shouldn't be much of a stretch.? ?: ok:

well.....  it`s quite obvious, that neither izzy, nor the current members of gnr (axl....) think izzy is a member of gnr.

frank played half of the european tour and the entire north american tour. izzy played some songs in like 20 shows...

Really? Have you heard the band say that Izzy is not a member ?   :no:

Is the glass half empty or half full?

Yes. Exactly.   :yes:

IIRC, the rumors started after Izzy stated that he'd been doing some writing with Axl.

i never wanted to say that it's a weakness.

Didn't Finck contribute to the Impotent Sea Snakes debut cd? I thought i had heard that somewhere.

yeah, i realize that, i was just trying to say he does have experience in the studio  : ok:


thats an interesting point you bring up, I'll have to look into it

Is Sebastian Bach part of GN'R too then?


Izzy is cool, it was nice seeing him join GN'R onstage for a few numbers across Europe last summer.

That doesn't make him a band member.



Now you're just being an ass.

Great job.  : ok:


/jarmo

Jarmo, you know you're streatching the point there.

I have to agree with the point someonne made about two drummers in gnr and there being a santa clause too.

That is completely different. Sebastian Bach was not an original band member. Sebastian Bach did not write half the lyrics for Appetitte and the Illusions. Sebastian Bach had nothing to do with the way the band imploded back in the day. Izzy had ALOT to do with it.

I'm sure you saw the way that the crowd reacted when Izzy was announced at the shows last year.  If not, youtube shows it.

I think its fair to say that the majority of fans view Izzy as a band member in some way.  If youtube and the fans on this forum isn't proof then I don't know what is.

Before you even say it, this has absolutely nothing to do with a reunion. I can still see Izzy as much of a part of today's lineup than as the past.   : ok:

My God. The crowd or fans don't decide who's in the band.


If you think Izzy is as big part of the band as he was up until 1991, then I think you're wrong.


I think the majority of fans view Izzy as a former band member who did some guest spots here and there because he likes to play with the band and he got in touch with Axl again after all these years.




/jarmo

and i was so naive to think we could be talking about robin...

I view him as a guest/friend...
but I do agree, many people may consider him a member...

make a poll about it.



edit: there's the whole "under the sea" or "deep is the sea" thing from 2001...
remember... Axl called Izzy and asked him about recordings of a certain song.
there are also some izzy interviews from the pre 00 where he says he contributed in the writing process of some "new" songs.
we dont know if any of those songs survive up to this date...

I would make a poll, but it would be deleted as soon as people started saying they view him as a member or want him as a member.? ?:yes:

btw, I dig whoever made it GNN - Guns N Roses News Network.    :hihi:


/bringbackadler

I suggest a little more "broadband"...
the main htgth poll...

Oh ok. Btw, I dug the Tobias thread while it lasted.? ?: ok:



/bringbackadler

Back on topic , no matter what his studio output has been thus far , there is no doubt that Robin has worked some magic all these years in the studio working for Mr.Rose. The demo's alone tell us that much.

Exactly right. A great  post.

yea, right. I dunno how people think that he is a band member, lol. He asked Axl if he could play w/ them and Axl said yes. Nothing with it. He is a friend of Axl, nothing more.

Oh MY GOD...whoever compared Izzy's importance to Sebastian is a moron.  Hello?  There needs to be a bit more respect for former members here.

BTW Adz are you trying to be a clone of Jarmo or does it just come naturally to you?

Back on topic...I think it must be pretty frustrating for Robin having his biggest creative output put on hold for the last 10 years.  He deserves to be recognised and not labeeled as a 'Slash copy'.

the former members are just that.  former members.   no disrespect meant, but that means they aren't in Guns N Roses anymore and hence really have nothing to do with the topic at hand.  : ok:

I also find it quite funny how people think its up to them to decide what Guns N' Roses is.    Like they actually play some part in the band and have some sort of say.   Its funny if you think about it.     

but to the topic at hand, I do believe CD will be Robin's first complete studio album and if his work in the studio is anything like his live playing, we are in for some good shit.  :yes:

true. especially the better solo is nothing but stunning. i would not assume that finck is no good in studio. that's not the point. but maybe he is much more into live playing ("that's what i live for") and not so much into song-writing. he once quit gnr because of the endless creative process and the never ending studio-work with no tour in sight. thus, with the gnr project he has become more studio-experienced than most other musicians (if he wanted or not). on the other hand, it's a shame that there's almost no studio material where you can see robin shine. what made me wonder is that finck doesn't seem to have other musical projects that are audio-documented. no songs created by him. it's hard to find a cd where you can see his creativity and individuality shine (not even the nin stuff; on the downward spiral trent had other guest guitarists). hope that the gnr record will have a lot of finckness (besides the solos) in it, for his work on the leaks and the live stuff always blows me away...

As far as I remember, Axl said Robin doesn't appear on the track but he helped compose it.

He was a member of Impotent Sea Snakes when they formed, but never played on the album which was released about 11 years later.  However, he did provide some cool visual stuff for live shows.

Kind of combining the two topics being discussed, i feel that if Izzy was in the band and did help write it would really help and fit with Robin's sound.  Izzy and Robin seem to have kinda the same laid back style and Izzy's bluesy stonesque sound mixed with Robin's grungy industrial sound I think would be incredible. i think its pretty clear that Robin wanted to record something and thats why he joined GNR.  I think if Trent went to Robin and told him "hey on my new album I want your input, i want your guitar, and I want you to be a real member of NIN" that Robin never would have left NIN.  However, hes kinda been unlucky in his career when it comes to studio output.  He was in a band where only one member recorded music and then he joined a band where there has been no output of studio music since he joined a decade ago.  He has suffered at the hands of egomaniacal perfectionist frontmen with writer's block and has been punished for it.  That being said he has also benefited greatly by performing live at some of the biggest places and biggest concerts on earth.  I still feel for the guy though, he wants to make his mark in Rock music and he keeps getting caught up in situations where he is in the hands of another person.  That being said im sure he doesnt mind too much when hes cashing his checks.

Oh and btw Tommy is my favorite person of the new lineup and his solo work shows that he is incredibly talented not just as a bassist but as a musician and songwriter.  He also seems to be the first person since Izzy to stand up to Axl which is good to see someone do.  Cause lets face it Axl is not Christ and if you think hes perfect than youre just a naive fanboy.  He makes mistakes like all of us and its good when someone call shim on it.

Tommy once said it was 8 men's collaboration.
After that apparently frank and BBF put their parts.

On Topic, so it will be like the debut of Robin as well as of GNR of this era.


Unsure but I think it was robin who said that and axl said otherwise.

Jarmo, youre off topic  : ok:  :hihi:

How about you? :hihi:


I make a correction. He said this not once but many times.

Well the new band is walking around playing under a name that they helped create.  Hey dont get me wrong I love the new band and I am a huge fan of Robin - but the old guys will always have an influence on what this new band is doing - as long as they make money off songs that the old guys have written...mmm kay.

Various online GN'R messageboards have been buzzing with speculation of a full-band reunion since word of Stradlin's arrival reached fans via text message. "There's going to be a reunion for sure," wrote one fan. "There's too much money involved for it not to happen. Izzy will bring the rest of the guys around, you watch." ? ? ?:yes:

I'm gonna borrow Axl's words real quick : " Umm.. you'll see it. I'm just not sure if "soon" is the word. "   :beer:

REUNION ???AGAIN...This topic is about Robin Finck not Izzy or reunion shit.I hope they never reunite because i can't see Axl just disbanding this GN'R who spend their talent and their time for CD.I mean, Look this way why do you want a reunion when two main member of Gn'R don't even like eachother and even if they ever reunite they will never be the same band that they used to be.As Slash stated its about mutual respect not about money as lot of you people think.So i choose New GN'R over Old Gn'R..

So at this point there is no need of reunion

I have to agree, but it may be sooner than people think. but id like at least another year or two to pass as id like to hear CD at least.

IZZY is Guns n Roses as much as any current member! He's played on just about all the flippin' albums and he played live with them all last year. As far as being under a contract he isn't a current member. But in true fuckin rock n roll he is official Guns N Roses! Can't believe someone compared him with Sebastian. Baz will always be Skid Row and Izzy will always be GnR  :peace:

You don't seem to get it, so I'll spell out out for you:


Baz toured with GN'R and did several guest appearances, but he's still not a band member.

Izzy was in GN'R, left the band in 1991, did several guest appearances with the band in 2006, but he's still not a band member.

Are both friends of the band? Yes they are.





/jarmo

He stepped in in '93.  He wasn't a band member then either.

Jesus , how long is this "izzy" talk gunna keep going on in this thread about robin?

Izzy is NOT a member of GNR! case closed

This is funny, how do you know he contributed anything? for all we know his contribution is :
Axl: play this and this and this and this WHEN I SAY SO. 

pitttman: yes axl don't hurt mee eeeeeep sorry i pushed the button at the wrong time..!!..

 :rofl:

Wouldnt that be funny if all these pitman swingers we worshiping a guy who presses button and gets coffee??  :hihi:

I think you guys missed my point on this.    ::)


/bringbackadler

your rhetoric (nonsense) had no point.  the current live band that plays with axl is gn'r, blah blah blah, some people say slash is gnr, some people say axl is gnr, blah blah, it's all whome you connect someone with something else.  its like... shannon hoon played live with gnr, guest appearances live and was on UY 1 and he's not part of gnr but was just there as a guest.. same thing like del james, wes arkeen (although they referred to him at the time as the 6th member of gnr) they co-wrote songs with wes.. at least 5 songs... (it's so easy, yesterday..just two i can think off of the top of my head)  why not just let the topic rest??? 

I was moreless aiming that toward how duffio said that... not what you said particulary

Oh my god...people are still thinking an old band reunion will happen. Don't be that stupid, please.  ::)

It'll happen, always does. Not for many years though, I hope.

Agree. After reading the thread last night that came from Steve's MYSPACE blog, where he discussed running into Axl for the second time  , I now believe the reunion is more imminent than ever in the future.    :peace:

In that case, you're kidding yourself.  The only reason Axl and Slash and Duff will ever want to work together again is because of the money.  Now, I dunno about you, but I think if Axl was motivated by money, we'd have had several cheap AFD clones released by now.

finck in the studio.. finck in the studio.   the topic is finck in the studio.  not a fucking reunion.   check out dead horse, there is a reunion thread over there.

Geesh, how old are you? 12?

Considering Robin brought Better to the band, I wouldn't be surprised if he brought in more material and contributed a lot to the album.




/jarmo

Going by his style it seems he also had a major hand in TWAT and I.R.S. I think Robin will prove to have been very significant in the making of what will be one of the greatest records made in the last 10 years.

I guess he's a studio guy after all ;)

NO, if he was really motivated by only money he would just tour around playing live shows without ever releasing an album, because artists make their real money on the road touring and not through record sales. Haven't seen alot of that going on the past 6 years now have we  :no:

I agree. I thing his contribution will definitely show through on the songs we have yet to hear. ?:yes:


/bringbackadler

Axl has stated in a past interview (2000, 2001, I believe) that one of the major hold-ups with the album was trying to find a guitarist that could replicate Slash's sound. Slash left a huge void when he departed. If Axl really only cared about money, we would have had several studio albums in the meantime. Axl is still trying to rebuild a band at this point. That is why we still don't have an album after all these years. Kind of like he stated at the end of the 02 VMA's " how do you take something that got so big and replace virtually everything about it." That is a very good question, indeed.? ? :yes:



/bringbackadler

that's what i'm hoping... although all members say that everybody was contributing equally in the writing process, i really wish there's a "axl-finck connection" like there once was the axl-izzy-tandem (as far as songwriting is concerned). : ok:

Hell, if he was motivated by money, Slash wouldn't have left in the first place. ?Axl'd be like, "You know what, I don't care about musical progression... so let's just release what we know will sell every couple of years." ?And what they knew would sell of course, is the AFD-type stuff that Slash wanted to do in the first place.

I agree, for Axl /Finck to have the connection that Axl/Izzy do would be great.

It's hard to tell that connection from a concert. We'll have to hear democracy first. Unfortunately, I don't think that same connection will exist. But, we can hope.   ???

i met robin in budapest last year and asked him if he had written more big guns or was holding back more of them (cause axl once said the big guns are being held back still), he just answered that "the cd is not even out yet". tommy answered the same question with: "i'm never holding anything back" with a big smile on his face.

I'm can't be sure, obviously, but I'd say Axl, Tommy, Chris and Robin have a close working relationship where it comes to songwriting. ?I can see there being songs that were primarily written by Axl and Robin, and others written by Axl and Tommy, and yet other Axl and Chris. :)

But deep down we all know Pitma...I mean Axl is the heart and soul of gn'r :hihi:


It's an amazing ability getting the best out of a player. I can hear parts of the gn'r sound in most of the members solo projects (old and new) but when they work with Axl something beyond that surfaces.

How old is that article that surfaced awhile back that discussed Axl calling Izzy to borrow the song "Down By the Ocean", or something like that. If that article was even close to being remotely current,? that could be a bad sign that Axl's writing w/ the current lineup isn't as strong as some suggest ?? ?8)


/bringbackadler

Struggling to write the best album ever is hardly what I'd call bad song writing.

Listen to the leaks, all the proof you need.

I don't think you understand. I don't think the current lineup is unable to write good songs. You're right. The demos do show us that much. The point that I was trying to make is that if they are going to Izzy looking for music, doesn't that kind of say that Axl has been unable to completely do it without reinvolving guys from the past. I'm not saying this to start an argument. Just something to consider.


/bringbackadler

I fully understand, and yes, that might be the case.

But I still don't see how Axl searching outwards for help to create the best album ever is a sign of any wealness or inability. It's just trying to stay true to your vision, no matter what.

Either way, if true at all, that's just your interpretation. Axl reaching out to Izzy could stem from alot of different motivating factors.

Robin seems to have novel ideas. mm maybe axl-robin-chris have been quite studio bound?
I expect every members input to be heard on cd and its followers.  :yes:


Where did he say that?  ???

I agree w/ you. I'm sure writing perfection IS NOT easy. I have absolutely no problem w/ Axl reaching out to Izzy for some inspiration. In fact, I completely welcome it. I think we're thinking along the same lines, just putting it different ways. ? : ok:

You know, I hate when someone is unable to provide a source. Unfortunately, I'm one of those people at the moment. I BELIEVE (all aplogies if I'm wrong) Axl said it to Kurt Koder during an interview around 2000-2001. The question was "So, what's the holdup." Axl responded, "Slash !"

Can anyone help me on this one. I'd appreciate it. Even the way he said "Slash !!" was funny.



/bringbackadler

I know he said "slash" but he didn't say he had been trying to find a guitarist that could replicate Slash's sound as far as I can remember.

Well, if you know what article I'm talkin about, go and read it. It's been awhile since I have. But, I do know that Axl did comment on Slash's distinct sound and he always knew that trying to replicate that same sound would be difficult. Those ARE NOT exact words but it is right along those lines.


/bringbackadler

Thanks, Polluxlm. I appreciate it.? ? : ok:



/bringbackadler

well...  if i remember correctly, it was something along the lines of not being able to work with slash anymore and after him leaving trying to find an equal replacement or something like that.

that means a gifted guitarist, not someone copying slash

edit:  thanks polluxlm : ok:

I was not implying Axl was looking for a Slash copy. Unfortunately, that is not possible. If that was in fact what you were implying.


/bringbackadler

that quote is a strange 1 from axl. he said he wanted to make a more trad Appetite type thing, but didnt slash say in an interview that he wanted to do summat hard and fast with very few ballads, but that axl wanted to go a different way?

see what im sayin? it seems they both claim to have wanted the same thing. but also diferent things. or am i makin a mistake in timing, as i know minds change over time sometimes. especially axls. he has been called fickle for that, but i just think he wants to do a lot, so its hard to focus.

If you read the whole interview you can see Axl may have a slightly different idea on what Appetite is than Slash.

Still to this day he claims to have made a GN'R record, and as he says;AFD is the GN'R record. I doubt Slash would consider I.R.S and Madagascar something inspired by Appetite. But apparently Axl does.

To replicate something is to copy it innit? ???

Also I thought there were many copy bands with guitarists that replicate slash's sound pretty well available if he wanted.

thanks polluxlm for the quote.  :P

i dont think he explicitly linked the CD sound to the AFD sound did he? he just said cd is a gnr album. which it is. but probably one that has more in common with UYI 1&2 than AFD.

I'm sorry that you can't understand me, ppbebe ?


 Rose: Well, not really.... Not to make a true Guns record. It's kind of like, I don't know, if you know somebody has a relationship, and there's difficulties in that, and Mr. or Mrs. Right doesn't kind of just stumble into their path, or they don't stumble across that person, they can't really get on with things. Somebody didn't come into my radar that would have really replaced Slash in a proper way.

According to Axl's quote, I suppose there WEREN' T many "copy band guitarists" that would do Slash justice in Axl's opinion. ? :P


/bringbackadler

Or maybe you don't understand axl, bringbackadler?

You keep contradicting yourself.
Didn't you just say Axl wasn't looking for a Slash copy in the earlier post? ???

I'm sorry again ppbebe that you are failing to understand this.

Let me try a little harder for you. I never stated Axl was looking for a Slash copy.

I was simply trying to state that Axl acknowledged Slash's departure as a reason for the hold up on the album. Understand ? Yes, I did use the word replicate, and like I said, those were not exact words. It was simply something in that direction.

I suppose that you are just angry that polluxlm posted the interview and it bothers you what Axl said.
Whether you agree or disagree, I personally care less. If you would like to continue w/ this, I suppose the dead horse is the place. I'm just trying to save Jarmo's finger from having to type it.


/bringbackadler

I actually think what he said was that he knew no one could replicate Slash's sound, so he was having trouble finding someone who could successfully replace Slash without replicating Slash's sound.  Like Dave Navarro... just as good as Slash, but with a completely different sound which would work just as well in the context of Guns N' Roses.
Basically, he didn't want someone who played the same style as Slash, because he couldn't get anyone as good.

He mentions how he thinks UYI is the sound of a dying band. Therefore he wanted to recreate Appetite by bringing in different styles and working on it long enough to sound right. That's the summary.

Why should I be angry about the article that clearly proves my point that Axl didn't state that he was trying to find a guitarist that could replicate Slash's sound.  ::)

It's funny how YOU were the only person that seems to have failed to understand this. I guess my parents were right. That degree did come in handy.   : ok:

  I think he mentioned the sound of a band dying regarding Sympathy of the Devil....not the UYI set. And that was from that behind the music Axl bashing at it's finest. Whatever...The thread is about FINCK

It was UYI, read it.

And the sound of CD is Finck related.

Some pople really try hard to act that they know what Axl is thinking about Cd and band members but atlast bottomline is that you mofo don't know shit about it.So why don't you do a favor and stop making your own story like"Oh Axl thinks........".cuz this is ridiculous.
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