Rock Am Ring (Soundboard) FLACs

[EFISH]

Thanks to gnr54 at CD.com

Rockpalast "intro"
 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K2G9NE83

welcome to the jungle
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C1URADDP

it's so easy
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q07W1TUP

mr brownstone
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YS0MULAX

live and let die
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U1P92YTX

knockin on heaven's door
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N03Z4NYA

you could be mine
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JMQW26RS

november rain
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MSAX7YDL

my michelle
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C0XEQSK8

sweet child o mine
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DQRB9L1K

nightrain
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BI3N2URB

patience
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LYWGHGP0

paradise city
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IDQ0UIJW

The Blues:
http://rapidshare.de/files/29009149/08-_The_Blues__GNR54_.flac.html

I.R.S.
http://rapidshare.de/files/29004557/14-_I.R.S.__GNR54_.flac.html

Better (flac):
http://rapidshare.de/files/28999760/05-_Better__GNR54_.flac.html

[Progress]

Thanks a lot!!That's fucking awesome!!
Appreciate it!
I just started thinking about collecting losless concerts,and this is the perfect start!

[Will]

Limulus might be able to back me up on that but actually, since it was aired in 256kbps, there's no need for FLACs. FLACs would have been useful if it had been aired in LPCM audio - which was not the case.
Anyhow, the best quality we will get will be 256kbps.

[timebomb]

 i do not will not listen to mo feedback from no hoarders like linulus says. because he hoarders more gnr than we will ever see only puts out what he wants to put out and hides the best stuff. till it all comes out i wanna hear nothing from him.

[Will]

Well, would you do trust me then?

[timebomb]

yes but i like flac's u maybe right but if u get your info from him i will not

[Will]

I get my info from myself. I just said maybe he will confirm what I'm saying.
Believe me, 256kbps is the best we will get from this show, hence FLACs are not needed - even though the effort is appreciated of course!

[timebomb]

can some one please re upload knohd and my michelle it said it is unavalable anymore

[EFISH]

I just found these and posted them here, and then went to sleep..

I guess I wont download them if Will says it's not lossless though

[timebomb]

ok i guess i will make them myself

[zombux]

I just found these and posted them here, and then went to sleep..

I guess I wont download them if Will says it's not lossless though

it seems this is the best version available, so who cares if it's real lossless or not

[EFISH]

Im leaving for the day... but here are these re-uploaded by him...

knockin on heaven's door (flac):
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NO3Z4NYA



my michelle (flac):
http://www.megaupload.com/fr/?d=COXEQSK8


paradise city (flac):
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IDQOUIJW

[bucketheadfan]

pls upload in rapidshare    

I cant download from megaupshit...

[Guns N RockMusic]

thanks

[Fusion]

Limulus might be able to back me up on that but actually, since it was aired in 256kbps, there's no need for FLACs. FLACs would have been useful if it had been aired in LPCM audio - which was not the case.
Anyhow, the best quality we will get will be 256kbps.

This is how I understand it - whatever your source is, if you compress it to mp3 there will be some quality loss.  Why?  Because you are compressing the source file.  Doesn't matter if it's LPCM audio or already mp3 audio.  It isn't smart enough to recognize that.  If you compress it you compress it.

But if there is some way to directly take the 256kbps audio as it was aired and use that, without further compressing that source, then it would be the same quality and it would make a FLAC version redundant.

I tend to agree that the 256kbps aired audio is the best we will probably ever get.  The question is can you take that directly or does it have to be compressed even further into another mp3?  To me, even if it's 256kbps and you compress it to a 256kbps mp3, there will still be quality loss.  Why?  Well because you are compressing it.  You can't compress it.  You need to use a tool that will directly pull the audio from the recording exactly as it is, and maintain the 256kbps rate.

Hope that makes sense.  What do you guys think?  This post is just how I understand it, but I am no expert and I've never really played around with these things.  I am just trying to understand this as well.

[zombux]

that's true Fusion.

[Fusion]

that's true Fusion.

Yeah, it makes sense to me.  That leads to the question about the mp3's we have from this show.  How were they created?  I don't know how to tell. 

[Liquid Drum]

Limulus might be able to back me up on that but actually, since it was aired in 256kbps, there's no need for FLACs. FLACs would have been useful if it had been aired in LPCM audio - which was not the case.
Anyhow, the best quality we will get will be 256kbps.

This is how I understand it - whatever your source is, if you compress it to mp3 there will be some quality loss.? Why?? Because you are compressing the source file.? Doesn't matter if it's LPCM audio or already mp3 audio.? It isn't smart enough to recognize that.? If you compress it you compress it.

But if there is some way to directly take the 256kbps audio as it was aired and use that, without further compressing that source, then it would be the same quality and it would make a FLAC version redundant.

I tend to agree that the 256kbps aired audio is the best we will probably ever get.? The question is can you take that directly or does it have to be compressed even further into another mp3?? To me, even if it's 256kbps and you compress it to a 256kbps mp3, there will still be quality loss.? Why?? Well because you are compressing it.? You can't compress it.? You need to use a tool that will directly pull the audio from the recording exactly as it is, and maintain the 256kbps rate.

Hope that makes sense.? What do you guys think?? This post is just how I understand it, but I am no expert and I've never really played around with these things.? I am just trying to understand this as well.

+1

Doesn't matter if you compress to 320kbps mp3 - It'll lose quality.

Best is to just rip the audio into FLAC if you want it as lossless as it will ever get.

[chad_er33]

could someone post these on megaupload please.

The Blues:


I.R.S.


Better (flac):

[Will]

When you convert to FLAC, you need to "encode", which means it's gonna be compressed anyway. If you want the real deal, download the DVD and extract the .mpa stream from it.

[Liquid Drum]

When you convert to FLAC, you need to "encode", which means it's gonna be compressed anyway. If you want the real deal, download the DVD and extract the .mpa stream from it.

No, Flac is LOSSLESS.

Its basically like zipping a file using winzip or winrar (flac zips wav. files).

[bucketheadfan]

please reupload this show on toher server  I can't download from megaupload  pls heeelp...

[1badapple]

you guys that say you can't d/l from megaupload, what's the problem? are you looking to the right of the megaupload logo? it'll tell you to enter code here- the codes are like LXM, PCR, some 3 letter combo, then it counts down and at nearly 10 seconds a pop up will appear, close it, then it'll tell you "click here to download".

i don't know if that'll help or not, but i've discovered that A LOT of people that say they "can't" d/l from there just aren't doing it right.


If i rip the audio as wave files, is that lossless?

[sneeks]

I've always been led to believe that wav files are lossless.

[Liquid Drum]

I've always been led to believe that wav files are lossless.

Yes WAV files are pure lossless. But might aswell rip the audio in WAV and then encode to FLAC as that is also LOSSLESS.

MP3 > FLAC is lossy

WAV > FLAC is lossless.

[sneeks]

My portable mp3 player cannot play FLAC files so I keep them as WAV files instead.

[lennonisgod]

If you're keeping them all on your computer, why not just make them FLAC because WAV files take up more space??  It's not hard to convert FLAC to WAV if you have to.  WAV files are almost twice the size of FLAC's and sound exactly the same.  So if you're leaving them on your computer, it wouldn't make sense to have a ton of WAV files.  I'm just trying to give you a tip so you don't waste a bunch of hard drive space.  You can get a free FLAC converter and convert 15 songs to WAV in about 2 minutes.

EDIT:  I use 'FLAC Frontend' to convert, which is one of the easiest things in the world to use.  If you have a bunch of different lossless files you deal with, like SHN, FLAC and APE, you could download 'Trader's Little Helper' if you wanted.  All of these programs are free by the way.

[1badapple]

the wav files aren't gonna be on my pc very long. i'll burn them to cd, then convert the wav files on my pc to mp3 @ 320kbps to keep on the computer, and delete the wav files. The wav are just to burn to cd for better quality in my car and on my stereo.

[lennonisgod]

the wav files aren't gonna be on my pc very long. i'll burn them to cd, then convert the wav files on my pc to mp3 @ 320kbps to keep on the computer, and delete the wav files. The wav are just to burn to cd for better quality in my car and on my stereo.

I should have quoted him, but I was telling Sneeks, who was right above me.  But yeah, converting them to mp3, even @ 320 kbps is about 1/3 the size of a FLAC file.  I just hate converting anything that's lossless into a lossy format.  Even though I burn them onto a cd, I always put my bootlegs on DVD's, just to have a back up if I ever need one.  I actually have almost everything I have, backed up on DVD's because I don't trust hard drives with my whole collection of music and the cd's I make for myself to listen to can get scratched, lost or whatever else that can happen to them.  Mp3 is the most popular format in the world, so more power to ya.  There's always a few of us though that think an mp3 is the devil or something really bad.  I honestly would rather have it in lossless format but if I can only get an mp3 of something, I won't fucking cry about like some people.  I would never not download a show that I didn't have, just because it was only available in mp3 format.  That's taking the whole lossless audio thing a little too far.

[Tomorrows]

Technically this isnt a pure soundboard either, right? Its a broadcast mix (made from the soundboard) put out in broadcast quality.

[Better]

any chance of getting nighttrain up there?? 

[lennonisgod]

any chance of getting nighttrain up there?? 

Nightrain is up there bud.  The only ones not working by the way are My Michelle and KOHD.  Are all of the solos and jams cut out of this or are they just not posted yet???  It would be disappointing to not have the whole show when the quality is this good.

EDIT:  Add Paradise City to the 'not working' list.

[Better]

wow. how the hell did i miss that lol. thanks for pointing that out dude XD

[estebanf]

When you convert to FLAC, you need to "encode", which means it's gonna be compressed anyway. If you want the real deal, download the DVD and extract the .mpa stream from it.

No, Flac is LOSSLESS.

Its basically like zipping a file using winzip or winrar (flac zips wav. files).

Well, I think that that is not the correct comparison.

When you zip files, lets say MS Word files, you reduce their size, but when you decompress them, they are the same than before in all aspects. You cant open those files without decompressing.

When you encode WAV to FLAC/APE/SHN, a certain (very little bit) of audio quality is lost, absolutly unhearable for human ear, but there is still a little loss. FLAC is called ''lossless'', but in fact, it is still a compressing method. There are certain things that are cut, but in the size/quality relation, FLAC is the best audio format by far.

It has no sense to upload/download or store WAV files, because they're huge, heavy, and difference against traditional lossless formats, talking about quality, is almost nule. But ''almost'' doesnt mean ''the same''.

When you encode WAV to MP3, you're murdering that audio. Simple.

[zombux]

in addition to estebanf, I don't understand why people keep using crappy mp3 format. it's decent above 192kbps, but still it really changes the music, supresses midranges and highs, and boosts basses. it sounds better to human ear than the original sound, but it sucks. the best lossy format is OGG Vorbis, because it's really similar to the original sound

[Limulus]

256kbps original mpa stream from digital satelite is the best audio we do have and probably will ever have from this broadcast. if you want to do a 2CDR set for listening on car-hifi/stereo-hifi whereelse.....256kbps/48kbit have to be "up"-converted to WAV and downsampled to 44,1khz for being CD-standard. FLACing those WAVs might be needed but they are indeed lossy cause sourced from a 256kbps lossy source! but even when listening to "my" 128kbps mp3s.....they sound so great i wouldnt mind doing the 2CDR, hell...in my ears "Nightrain" sounds more good than on the Live Era, hups, Fake Era 2CD!!

[zombux]

yes it's goddamn similar to Live Era Nightrain (I love that )

[Will]

Basically what I've been saying since yesterday. If you want "lossless" from this, just get the .mpa file.
MP3 is needed because...hmmm...many MP3 players play...MP3...not many play FLAC.

[Limulus]

when talking about technical stuff the main problem we do have is
we dont have access to a lossless soundboard source from this sow, so everything else coming from the original 256kbps (digital satelite) is even lower quality.
these days every digital cable/satelite source is using compressed not lossless audio. however the GN'R RAR sounds mint so wtf??!!!

still the thing to do for fans should be:

- spreading mp3s for all fans very fast so they can get the broadcast audio very soon after the show? <--- we did that, also for use for Ipods, mp3 players etc.
- getting/saving the original digital satelite aired 256kbps as being the best SBD quality?for now(/ever?) <--- we got/are getting that from the DIME dvd source
- maybe doing CDR FLACs from this one...but they will mess up collections in the future as many people considering FLACs being lossless which is not the case. so...if CDR FLACs will be done please mention the original lossy source in a .txt file in there
- overdubbing the circulating AUD video
- NOT ONLY COLLECTING BUT LISTENING TO IT THATS WHAT ITS MADE IN THE FIRST CASE!!!!!!

[zombux]

so, what about encoding this baby in 256kbps MP3? with a little quality harm it would be better than the 128kbps, this low quality is killing my ears anyway 128kbps is not optimal quality, not optimal for bootleg with rich sound.

[Will]

I don't see the point in repeating what I've been saying since yesterday but whatever. lol

Anyway, I won't talk about encoding/ compressing because people won't believe me. I think I still can give my advice though. As long as you won't trade it, do what fits to your ears. If 128kbps is ok to your ears, then just download what's available already, if you prefer what you hear from FLACs, so keep those. In the end, I found out over the years that all this is subjective. It depends on what YOU prefer. One trader will tell you that's best, another one will tell you you should do that, etc. Just encode/ compress whatever sounds best for your ears.

As far as I'm concerned? Who cares so whatever, just enjoy GN'R live!

[Limulus]

so, what about encoding this baby in 256kbps MP3? with a little quality harm it would be better than the 128kbps, this low quality is killing my ears anyway 128kbps is not optimal quality, not optimal for bootleg with rich sound.

only problem is some fans still do sit on modems/slow connections....thats why some people agreed giving out 128kbps....lower filesize but still sounding great. when you want other formats/bitrates etc. just get that DIME 256kbs mpa and convert it to what you want it to be it. 

[chad_er33]

hi.  it's me again.  could someone please post these on megaupload.  i don't have $20 some dollars to buy a membership on rapidshare.

The Blues
I.R.S.
Better

[lennonisgod]

I don't have a membership on rapidshare and I downloaded them.  Someone said this earlier and I agree with them, but most people that say they CAN'T download from megaupload, rapidshare or even torrents, just don't know how to do it right.  So many people on here take time out of their day to help and upload the songs to something different, for people that "don't know what they're doing."  I'm not trying to be mean by any means, but all of these ways of downloading WILL WORK for MOST PEOPLE.  It's not hard to figure out either.  If it says you have to wait 120 minutes because you met the download limit, then wait.  It won't kill you and the file will still be there when the wait is over.

[sneeks]

If you're keeping them all on your computer, why not just make them FLAC because WAV files take up more space??  It's not hard to convert FLAC to WAV if you have to.  WAV files are almost twice the size of FLAC's and sound exactly the same.  So if you're leaving them on your computer, it wouldn't make sense to have a ton of WAV files.  I'm just trying to give you a tip so you don't waste a bunch of hard drive space.  You can get a free FLAC converter and convert 15 songs to WAV in about 2 minutes.

Hey dude

The wav files are stored on my portable mp3 player rather than on my PC, on the PC i usually store them in the original format I obtained them in (FLAC etc)