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YAY first post. i hope its as good or better than controband : ok: :peace:

Hope it's better!

Can't wait to hear "This Fight Could Be The Last Fight"!

From everything I have heard ob those Vlogs, this album is going to be something special... I have a feeling that Brendan O'brien  is going to do VR good!

VR's latest Vlog video provided a sneak peek in the studio and showed a whiteboard full of song titles. Some song titles were already mentioned by the band members in interviews and blog postings. Some are new. Here's the full list of the sixteen reported song titles so far:

Get Out the Door,
Just 16,
Messages (They Left),
Pills, Demons, Etc.,
Queen for a Day,
(This Fight Could Be) The Last Fight,
Wasted Heart,
She Builds Quick Machine,
Motherfucka,
Boogie in "E",
Please Don't Go,
Swiss Miss,
Mary Mary,
Remedy,
Grave Dangers,
Gas-N-A-$Laugh.

If for one am very much looking forward to this album and think it will shine a lot more than CB. They've had a lot more time to gel and work as a band.

Really looking forward to this album, I hope that this album will blow contraband out of the water...

that should go without saying :hihi: :peace:

All too true.

I can;t wait, I felt good after hearing the jam session and scott in a youtube in the studio video.. I'm glad they're working hard together all at once, should be great, I liked duff's talks..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8LFdrRcsCDY

I read one thing where Scott said Duff and Slash really raised the bar on libertad or something of that nature. That has me really hoping there will be a ton more soloing. Maybe something as bad ass as Slash's solo on the "no more, no more" cover they did. Also For Duff to sound more like Duff on bass. I always dug that Duff's playing was always recognizable like on all GnR and Believe In Me. It sounded alot more run of the mill rock bass on Contraband.

Matt was on CFR and according to him the mixing is finished... :beer: :beer: :beer:

Now only mastering is left  :smoking:

Great news! Can't wait to hear the album!  :beer:



Wonder if they've decided the songs though.

Maybe they can move the release back up to May! 

I hope they don't do exclusive sales of bonus disks like they did with Contraband Disc 2 through Best Buy. 

According to Matt, they got the last mix done today

Source: Velvet Revolver Forum (http://www.velvetrevolverforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=24932.msg611762#new)


So, acording to Matt, to Scott, to Slash and to Dave.. LIBERTAD IS FINISHED

now we just need duff

I wonder if "Mary Mary" is a Monkees cover?

No way. It's about Scott's wife I think.

if it's leaked before it's released (wich it'll probably be, right?) will you guys download it?

Meh I'll wait and buy it , one of the few bands I will actually do that. They know how to treat fans , with the blogs , the updates , their shows are awesome. They are on top of their game and thats real good , can't wait to play it man from the Vlogs it sounds bad ASS.

Probably not. I get a lot of advances, so hopefully this one will be no different and I'll have a pressed copy to rock out to instead of a compressed mp3 version... we'll see I guess. But if I don't get an advance I will check out the streams and make my choice from there.

Got blank cd's at work and at home ready to go. Don't see the point in waiting.

Naturally I'll buy the album when it's released, though. And all the singles.

I really can't wait to hear some new Slash riffing. I've been listening to TSI allot lately, and even though there's some so-so songs on there, I just love Slash's riffing. The man has captured pure rock guitar tone like no-one else.

And to hear that Brendan O'Brien has helped with the guitar sounds on the new VR album, I'm really looking forward to hearing some new killer Slash rock guitar! : ok:

depends how close to the release date it is.....  I'll buy it either way though.

Definitely, 'coz the album releases here only atleast a month after it's official release.

I'll dl some tracks (maybe the whole album lol), but will buy in on the day of release.

So is 6/5 the release date?

^^^

I think so.. I am trying to put it out of my mind at the moment.. It seems so far away. I would love to hear a single soon... How long was Slither out before Contraband?

I think it was only out like a month, but they also had the big aol release as well.

I wish we'd hear more about this album, I'd like to hear about the recording, and so on.

so is the 25th of may now the official release date as I've seen it being mentioned on several different sites now...

Here's another one:

http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/music/id/1017010

Released:    25-5-2007
Please note: the above release date is for online store only due to shipping requirements ? instore release date may vary.

Yeah I know I read that, but I've also seen this date posted on several other sites who did not mention that ^^

May is better than June!

Can' wait to hear this album :) it'd be better with Steven Adler :yes: ... Scott and Dave would make it just modern enough n shit ,then you got Slash doin the kick ass old school guitar,fuckin Duff on bass(he fuckin rules!) and then good ol popcorn..with his amazing grooves like brownstone n paradise city n jungle..remember those..Steven came up with them and listen to what Matt does man :hihi: sure he might be technically skilled...but who's drumming sounds better.

  anyways..Keep on rockin in the free world,cant wait to be crankin it :)

Man, I've always thought Steven was the best drummer for GnR, I'd love to see him playing with VR but I don't know if he'd suit working with this band. In terms of talent he's totally gifted and sounds much looser and groovier than Matt. In saying that, Matt is an amazing drummer and, in my opinion, the best drummer for VR. He's probably more professional in his work ethic which is what this band needs. Steve rocks but he's GnR. If anything I'd rather see him back with Axl. Sorry for going off topic. We're hear to talk about Libertad. I think we're in store for an album with a little more depth this time. Contraband kicked ass but I felt it was more like the guys were just feeling for a groove or a sound that would suit this new band. There was bits of GnR and STP mixed with some more distorted guitar sounds. I think by now the band will have fine tuned what they're doing and will have an all round more accomplished rock album

I could see VR covering that song. The beat is something that Scott could definitly go with on stage.

MNW

The band has announced that the first single will be She Builds Quick Machine, according to a Chilean fan who saw them at Santiago.

i'm pretty sure his wife's name is Mary, so i think its an original song he wrote about her. but i could be wrong.

True: And here is a clip of the song! ITS GREAT!!! *btw, at the start is some voiceover but it fades away, listen to the end solo, ITS AWESOME!!!  :beer: :drool: :smoking: * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45wiR4KryZA

IMO the solo is the only gooooood thing.. the "what u give, is what you................." part really dont fit the song IMO at least not of what i've heard yet, i might be a lil' harsh and can change my mind later but that's how i feel now..

You can pre-order the import:

http://www.amazon.com/Libertad-Velvet-Revolver/dp/B000OXEOA0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-3212443-0144811?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1176776206&sr=8-2

It took me a few listens to really like Contraband, So the fact i hate She builds quick machines and Let It Roll hopefully isnt a bad sign.

Acccording to Blabbermouth, Libertad has been pushed back to July-Duff says SCQM was the single record company wanted to release, the band wanted a different song. Interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0FW8c1sW5w&NR=1
let it roll
dissapointing, they are so lucky slash is tht good

Yeah, he said they wanted This fight could be the last fight, and judging from the 30 seconds or so from the Vlog, I think it was the better song.

I think so too, or at least get out the door, both seem like they would be a lot more appealing and easy to digest for the public. Although I'm going to save my final judgement for when i hear the studio version of SBQM.

damn, these two new songs are not very good.

Looks as though us Aussie VR fans are getting Libertad first in the world - June 30th : ok:

http://www.sanity.com.au/product/rockpop.asp?sku=-930260

Uh Oh People. As you may know, Libertad will be a DVD/CD or plain CD release, but read This! I got this from another forum btw:
                  Apparently Avril Lavigne's new album *Which is by Sony, which is why it affects us*, which came out the same day as NIN's and debuted at the top of the charts, came in two versions. You could get the single CD, generally for $9.99, or the deluxe CD/DVD package, for around $16.99. Seems like a pretty easy decision, right: do I value the DVD or not?

But--haHA--Sony/BMG has apparently made it not that simple a decision because they did three other things with this release:

1. They made censored and uncensored versions.

2. They didn't label the censored version as "censored" and the uncensored version as "explicit", so the customer has no idea which they're getting.

3. They issued the censored version as a single CD only. And they issued the explicit version as a deluxe, more expensive, CD/DVD package.

Way to go, Sony/BMG.

http://idolator.com/tunes/sony-bmg/why-does-avril-lavignes-label-have-to-make-things-so-complicated-255274.php

 Most Cd's get a censored released version too. do to Wal-Mart not selling Cd's that aren't .

Yeah but if they dont Tell you which is censored and which isnt.....Im gonna worried that mine is  :crying: FUCK YOU SONY!!!!!!

there isn't a difference as far as the cd for Avril . the dvd thing it what caused it to have a partial sticker .


Just make sure you don't buy the thing from wal-mart.

Yeah, but the reports were from Best Buy  :crying: :crying:

yeah but what I'm saying is that the actual music cd is the same. Just the version with a DVD has a parental sticker on it.

Nope, reports were that any profanity on the CD one was bleeped out. Click that link above you

really damn . whelp my bad sir.

Just ask the sales clerk at the store and if he tell you wrong go back and return the thing and kick the clerks ass.

avrils new cd has alot of bleeped out fucks and shits on the single disc version

From Blabbermouth.net

VELVET REVOLVER 'Quietly Falling Apart' During Making Of New Album - May 16, 2007

Launch Radio Networks reports: VELVET REVOLVER's new album, called "Libertad", comes out on July 3, but for a while it looked like it might not come out at all. Bassist Duff McKagan told Launch that even though the band started working with producer Rick Rubin and writing songs, he was worried that Rubin and the group weren't pulling together. "I wasn't nervous, it was just kinda happening, you know," he said. "It was quietly falling apart. I don't know what my emotion was about it, so I can say it now because we all kind of talk about it. It was just a drag, 'cause we just didn't have a goal. We didn't have a date booked for the recording studio, we didn't know when we'd have a record out, we didn't know what we were writing so many songs for."

The band ultimately parted ways with Rubin and hired PEARL JAM producer Brendan O'Brien, who got the band back on track.

I heard SBQM on the radion yesterday, and I have to say IMO it's pure crap, except, of course, for the solo.

Have not heard Let It Roll yet...

As great as SBQM and Last Fight are coupled with the very promising awesome sounding "Get Out The Door" Libertad is gonna be amazing!

I cant wait for this album.

if the rest of the songs are like spay i'll download it only, if they are as great as last fight i'll buy it too :hihi:

The Last Fight is going to be a huge hit for them.  It's the only song that really clicks for me.  Everything else, I'm just kind of meh about. 

Spay=If Kurt Cobain had written a song with Guns N' Roses.

Yeah, his voice sounds a bit like Cobains on that song; in a good way, not a Wes Scantlin way.

I got a message from VH1 today that the album Libertad was to be  released on 5/21/07 which was  surprising given that the last thing I heard was early July. Is  it true?

Nope, it's still 7/3.

I'm really digging the leaks, they're growing on me. Good shit. I try not to compare it to STP or GN'R (old or new) and just enjoy the material in its own right.

^
I am exactly the same way. I sit back and just rock out to it.

I think thats all VR are trying to do, Rock out and make u have a great time.


I dont listen to a band like Poison as I listen to lets say Prince or Guns N Roses or the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

With VR I expect fun,uptempo, rock u on your ass material and they deliver.

For the new album, I expect a few curve-balls.

SBQM the itunes download kicks fucking ass!!!!  I love it!

Wikepedia says that the album is only 42:14

what leaks?

or do you just mean the offical previews and SBQM free download?

Yeah, it was one of my biggest fears towards the album. The sosngs we've heard s far are quite short tunes. I don't wanna be disappointed by getting a 12-song album with a 42-minute length after 3 years. They said they had like 50 songs, and had like two dozens after sequencing the better part. Then please fuckin' release enough material.

lol i totally agree, 42 minutes is a little slim, damn.

who knows tho i wouldnt trust wikipedia.

I've noticed that most of the new songs are pretty short, Let It Roll is two and a half minutes and so is Just 16, but they are flat out rockers, so I think being shorter works better for them because they get to their point quicker. And regardless of how short they may be, there's plenty of Slash's fancy fretwork, hell Just 16 has two shit hot solos in it! : ok:

I think the longer songs will be the more ballady types like The Last Fight and Grave Dancer.

I'm still digging what I've heard, but it's odd that the record company picked what I believe is one of the weaker tracks to be the first single. The should've gone with Let It Roll of Just 16, as they rock so much harder.

it doesnt matter how long it is, it will be amazing no matter what

Most of Led Zeppelin's albums weren't more than 45 minutes.

I think it's good...less fat, straight to the point.

Yeah I don't get that either. I wouldn't be surprised if they released another song to radio before the release of the album because SBQM is getting absolutely no airplay around where I live in NJ and we get the same stations as NY.

i thiught that the last fight was going to be the next single.

also you have to remember the single came out officially just last monday

Yeah, but Led Zep released like one an album per year. 42 minutes isn't good after 3 years of waiting.

To be honest, as long as that 42 minutes of music (if true) is of quality music, then I'd take quality over quantity any time.

I dont know about the rest of you...and you guys can tell me if im crazy...but the new VR single is pretty bad....i just think it goes nowhere.....its not good, its not terrible its just there....its like a waste of a few minutes....i dont know...i am pretty let down by it because I am a huge VR fan...anyone else feel that way?

Every time I hear it , It seems to get better ... sort of the same way Presence did when it was released (if anyone remembers that far back) .

I second that, I'd rather have the band release 42 minutes of killer material than over an hour of songs that only sound decent half the time.

I was the same way when I first heard the song, it wasn't until i saw and heard them perform it live that it really clicked. Since then I've viewed it as a much better and rocking song. I don't think its as good as the other songs we've heard but I really don't think its bad.

Apparently, the Japanese version was released on 5.29 with a bonus track. Anyone from Japan here who can confirm  the release date and length of the album?

there is no way the album is out in japan, the original release date was 5-29 before it got pushed back everywhere to july

I second that!

Contraband was a pretty good album, going to be hard to beat!

Sounds pretty good, some of the best rock albums ever clocked in at under 45 minutes. 

Back In Black: 42 minutes
Led Zeppelin IV: 43 minutes
Paranoid: 42 minutes
Rocks: 35 minutes

So yeah, four of the greatest rock albums.  And having heard "Just 16", i'm really revved up for Libertad.  And if Psycho Killer is considered good enough to be just a B-side, i can't wait to hear studio versions of a lot of these tracks. 

Yeah but I think what some people are trying to say is it seems short after 3 years. Every single one of those albums came out a year after the one before it. Highway To Hell 79-Back in Black 80, Led Zep 3 70-zoso 71, Black Sabbath 69-Paranoid 70, Toys in The Attic 74-Rocks 75.

im hyped for the album, im getting my sound system in my truck redone before hand so i can pump the album when it comes out

I feel that the songs we haven't heard yet will make or break this album.... If the band has been dishing out the best it has to offer already, then I think the entire CD will just be "good"... but if there are some gems like Just Sixteen or Last Fight in the remaining new songs, I think it's going to be so great the whole way through that you won't even notice how average "She Builds Quick Machines" is.

Where did you get that from anyway??

its fake

According to this site: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=BVCP-21529 , the japanese version of Libertad will have a song called "Gas and a Dollar Laugh" as bonus track.

If that's true, I hope to be able to buy it as a download.

i want the japanese edition !!!!!!!!!!

Also Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side of The Moon', 'Wish You Were Here' and 'Animals' were all 41-45 mins long.
I don't mind the length of the album, I expect it to all be killer. Although it would have been good to have some 'alright' songs to chew on.

Can anybody tell me why is it thta Japan has always special editions of ccds and dvds??  Haven't heard of a single japanese in these forums for example!!!  Anyway, I know it's a great amrket and very diverse but still why the artist keep giving them special traits....??

Yeah that always pisses me off as well. Like when "Coma" was only on the japanese version of live era. If an artist thinks something is good enough to release to one market, and there's obviously enough space on the album for it, why not release it to everyone?

I believe it's because cds are much more expensive in Japan than over here in Europe or in the States, so to make sure the Japanese don't just import their cds they get bonus tracks? :)

Or they would commit Hari Kari.

Only if it's a beautiful day, with the sun coming through in the morning. 

Yeah, i think it's to do with import prevention.  If the local stuff have special things, then people are more likely to buy them than the western imports.  Of course, this is surely a two edged sword, as it pisses us off, who don't get it, and have to resort to either paying extortionate import rates ourselves, piracy, or not hearing something with no good reason. 

Maybe the japanese are less critical, so they feel they can release more stuff, without worry?  Who knows.  One way or another, if there is a bonus song on the japanese version of libertad, i feel sure it'll end up in my hands sooner rather than later. 

Japanese don't buy it if the don't get extra stuff. Simple as that.

7/10

Total Guitar magazine


That doesn't fill me with confidence..... Because three years later, I think Contraband is lacking the songs.



/jarmo

Interesting review....I mean theres mixed views on CB...some people love it some hate it....but I don't think anyone thought it had a "giant sound" - like even the band complained that it was mixed and recorded badly in terms of the guitar tone etc....

I personally hope libertad has kinda a snakepit 1 edge to it...not sure if it will...but that would be cool!

I don't trust Total Guitar reviews since they gave United Abominations something like 5/10, and called it 'too popish' or something along those lines (despite their obsession with radio-pop friendly shit like MCR, which they insist is metal). Lost all credibility with that.
Hell, if they gave UA 5/10, then Libertad, with a 7/10 should be awesome then!   ;)

I think AMG is often spot-on, let's see what they say.

Reviews affect your confidence, huh?  I suggest keeping away from recent Rolling Stones.

Sorry to hear about your lack of confidence in the new record, though, I know you were looking forward to enjoying it.

You wanna talk about Guns N' Roses?

Are you really sure?

I mean, really really sure.....


Fine by me. Let's ruin this and make it about Guns N' Roses. If that's what Booker wants.


Yeah, I have more confidence in Axl writing great songs than I have in Scott Weiland. Sorry Booker!



Where's Falcon to tell you to shut the fuck up for trying to ruin another thread?  :-*





Reviewing unfinished leaks doesn't say how the final product will be.

Reviewing the final album does give a pretty good idea about how the album sounds wouldn't you agree?

I even explained why. They say the album doesn't have the songs that Contraband has and since I don't think even Contraband has the songs....

But that's no use. Nothing logical makes sense  to the master of logic, Booker.  :no:







/jarmo

Jarmo, other than quoting some other persons opinion on the songs, can you give us yours instead? 

Songs we have all heard and can now comment on.

She Mine
SBQM
Get out the door
Psycho killer
last fight
Just 16
and a short clip of Spay

I have not heard one bad song yet. 

Only heard the EP.

The single is boring.

I prefer Just 16 of those two.



/jarmo

has anyone heard any details about retail specific extras (best buy, target, etc?)

Get Out The Door is the stand out song for me....Written by Dave was a surprise but hey, a good surprise

Im in Vic Australia.. There will be a Normal 1 CD ed  and a 1 CD with1 DVD edition... Does anyone know what will be on the DVD..I week to go..CANT WAIT.. : ok:

Hey man - i'm from Vic too  :beer:

So theres going to be a dvd+cd edition? Is it going to be one of those dual-disc things thats a cd/dvd flipper?

Not sure what u mean bye CD flipper?
But i heard the 2 disk is 1 cd and 1 DVD?

one side DVD, one side CD?

http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/music/id/1054424




Disc 1:
1. Let It Roll
2. She Mine
3. Get Out The Door
4. She Builds Quick Machines
5. The Last Fight
6. Pills, Demons & Etc.
7. American Man
8. Mary Mary
9. Just Sixteen
10. Can't Get It Out Of My Head
11. For A Brother
12. Spay
13. Gravedancer
14. Making Of 'libertad' - (Video)


Disc 2:
1. Tierra Roja, Sangre Roja



ITEM DETAILS Artist:    Velvet Revolver
Title:    Libertad (Cd & Dvd Version)
Format:    CD/DVD
Source:    Australia

Ahh ok cool.

I've found this format called "dual disc" at JB HiFi before....and you get one disc...one side of it is a dvd, and on the other side of the same disc is a CD. The downside is because its an unusual size not all CD players will read them.

Usually the DVD side will have the album in DVD audio and a couple of video clips or a short doco or something.

VR made one for Contraband, and I also have Ac/Dc's "Back in Black" on that format.

Anyway i was just wondering if its that or a seperate discs....i'm hoping for seperate.

it's out in a week?.. and still hasn't leaked.. lame :hihi:

did it leak....HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, I WONDER

Just heard the complete album.
can't really say anything yet. the sounds are overall awesome.
will write more specific details soon...

Just heard the entire thing.... meh it's really not my cup of tea...

Great, goodbye!? :peace:

He has every right to post here like you do.  Chill out.

The music overall is very good.  Duff and Matt create some great rhythm pockets and as a result, there are some great grooves in the songs.  Slash doesn't ever really go off like I would like to see, but I respect the fact that he played what was right for the song by and large.  There are some really catchy songs like "Last Fight", "Can't Get It Out of My Head" and "Gravedancer".  Weiland shows some appealing vocal tones, writes some good and catchy melodies, but still not a fan of his lyrics.  My biggest problem with this record is that it doesn't rock that hard.  It has pleny of groove, but it's just not something I'd listen to while lifting weights.  It just doesn't seem like the kinda thing that would pump me up.  I'd give it a solid B.

Ali

I guess i totally jinxed it :hihi:

Some real good insights. I don't really have a problem with the album "not rocking hard" though, as I feel that the first one really did. I'm more concerned with solid, well-written songs. I think the new album may be better written than the debut.

After one-and-a-half listen, I certainly like this album quite a bit.  Some thoughts:

"She Mine" is my least favorite VR song.  Its still decent enough to be listenable (as was "Headspace," my previous least favorite), but it doesnt hit me, which is disappointing since it has some good parts.  The intro is good, but then it breaks into that sideways "Do It For The Kids" riff thats a little too sparse and jerky for my liking.  The pre-chorus is good - a little reminiscient of Nirvanas "On A Plain" to me - but the chorus is lackluster.  The bridge sounds really good and could have lifted the song higher had it gone into a high-charged Slash solo, but it goes nowhere, unfortunately. 

"Get Out The Door" has grown on me a lot.  The first live bootlegs didnt do much for me, but the Washington D.C. performance brought me around.  The song is fun and rocking, plain and simple.  Clive Davis was right, by the way.

The reaction has been decidedly mixed, but Im still a fan of "She Builds Quick Machines."  It has a good, solid groove, huge bridge, and great solo.  I think Duff said essentially the same thing, but I guess thats all there is to say about it.  Making it the first single was probably a mistake.

"The Last Fight" is one of VRs best.  Hopefully, itll be a big hit.  Slashs intro melody reminds me of Jesus Jones "Right Here, Right Now."  My only minor complaint would be the fade-out - Im generally not a fan of them. 

"Pills, Demons, Etc." has a really good pre-chorus ("Youve got your demons and your wasted life/ you could pull the trigger and youd end the strife"), as well as some nice guitar-work. 

"American Man" is the albums surprise highlight for me.  It evokes a number of songs, none of which I can pinpoint at the moment.  Duff offers some of his most grooving bass yet and Slashs lead during the verses is simple but sly.  The rolling, Ennio Morricone clacks give it a cool Western vibe.  Weilands vocals would easily fit on a Purple-era STP song.  Two windy Slash solos top off one of VRs best tracks.

What a hook on "Mary, Mary."  Sorum sounds great on every track, but he stands out on this song.  Its an especially catchy, grooving rocker.

Ive already commented on "Just Sixteen."  It rocks.  One of its nicest touches is the little riff that plays through the second part of each chorus.

I wouldve preferred "Cant Get It Out Of My Head" been left off of the album.  With that said, its surprisingly good, especially considering all of the negative remarks its attracted.  Im no great fan of the original; I think its simply a good song, so I definitely think that VR has done it justice.  The guitars sound great and Slash plays two fine solos.  The verseseven remind me of "Loving The Alien."  I wanted Libertad to be completely original, but this song doesnt detract from it at all.

The chorus to "For A Brother" sounds a hell of a lot like Pearl Jams "State of Love & Trust."  The vocals, particularly in the breakdown, are the most STP-sounding Weiland has done in VR to date - they sound like they couldve come straight from Purple.  In fact, that entire breakdown could have come from Purple.  A solid song overall.

"Spay" has the same nasty, late-night rock feel that "Dirty Little Thing" had.  If any of the songs on this album could have fit on Contraband, its this one.  The spindly guitar line that precedes the verses is a nice touch, as is the stutter-slam before the last chorus.  Weilands voice sounds creepily like Kurt Cobains in some parts.

"Gravedancer" confirms what many of us already know: VR is ridiculously good at making ballads.  Weilands vocals are gorgeous and Slash tears through the ending. 

The biggest surprise of the album is the hidden track ("Gas & A Dollar Laugh"?).  Like the Rolling Stones best country songs (and by extension, GNRs), this is a joke played perfectly straight and its excellent.  This is the kind of country music I love and I wouldnt mind seeing more of it from ths band.  "Dont shoot that gun at me tonight."

At the very least, the band made good on their promise to take this album to places the first one didnt go.  I think they made a really good album as well.  Id still like to see Slash return to full-GNR mode on some tracks, and some more songs wouldve been nice, but Im actually very satisified with this effort overall. 

This is all based on my second listen so it may change a bit...
Let It Roll-Best song on the album. Possibly my favorite VR song. Fuckin rocks. Scots vocals are catchy and Slash and Dave sound great. A+
She Mine-Love the simple catchy riff. Guitars under the verses might have to grow on me. Great Bridge. B
Get Out The Door-real strong track, catchy and I love the voicebox. A
She builds quick machines-you all know it. Still don't believe it was the single. C+
The Last Fight-A very pretty piece of music, altho I'm not as big on it as everyone else seems to be. Could have used a much longer solo. Backing vocals at the end are a nice touch. Not quite as good as LTA or YGNR but close. B+
Pills, demons etc.Kind of an odd sounding song. Guitars after the chorous are great tho. Pretty rad solo. Overall not that strong a track. C+
American Man- Very uptempo riff. Music during the verses sounds very STP. Some really cool leads and a catchy chorous but overall not anything really special. B
Mary Mary-Pretty cool song. Sounds like a riff that on Contraband woulda been used to write some real angry kinda song. Very representitive of an overall lighter attitude on Libertad. The lead sounds alot more like Dean Deleo than Slash tho. B
Just Sixteen-Shoulda been the lead single. Great catchy rock song. I love the contrast in Scotts vocals between the verses and pre-chorous vs. the chorous. I actually like the lyrics, I know some on the board have felt differently. I FUCKIN LOVE every note Slash plays on this song. A+
Can't Get It Out Of My Head-I Downloaded the original when I heard they were covering it and had real low expectations after hearing it. It didn't make me feel stupid for placing them so low but I Definately liked it better the second time hearing it tho. Slash does a great Solo and I love the drums behind it. To Sum it up:My Girlfriend will like it. C+
For A Brother-Not a bad song but not better than anything on Contraband. Kind of a filler song. C+
Spay-Very, Very Nirvana sounding type of song. Not in a bad way. The slide guitars add a nice touch. Not quite sure it fits in with the rest of the album. Cool solo. B+
Gravedancer-A real strong ballad. Scotts vocals carry alot of the song until Slash solos to finish the song. Again not as strong as LTA or YGNR but a good track. B+
Don't Drop That Time-An extremely Stones sounding track. Really sounds more like a tribute to every country tinged ballad the stones have ever done. Alot of fun, if you have the right attitude for it. I can see alot of fans not liking it tho. B+

Overall I don't feel the album disappoints at all. It has alot of spots that are stronger than others. Alot of the songs they havn't touched live yet seem like filler at certain points, but the studio versions of the other songs definately hold up. Duff and Matt play alot safer on this album than Contraband, I woulda liked to have heard them do a little more. I love the guitar tone Slash and Dave use for the whole album tho, a vast improvement from that of Contraband. Scotts lyrics are a lot more fun this time around, and the whole album has less of a dark feel.

I think that with Contraband, it sounded like a mix of STP and GN'R. For example "Set Me Free" sounded like YCBM part II and "Slither" could have been an STP song. With the new album, it sounds more like an actual band, a new band, if you know what I mean.

I definately agree. And alot more of the album seems influenced by 70's rock where Contraband sounded more 90's influenced.

I agree. The album does have more of a 70s sound. I think the ELO cover is pretty sweet. I don't agree with Mick Wall on that one.

A really great album. Period.

Theres definitely a 70s influence, but I think this album sounds like it couldve been released in 1994. 

When I first listened to Contraband I was dissappointed. When I first listened to Libertad I was also a little dissappointed. But the difference is as I listen to this album more and more I relize how good it is. It is a great album. Not every song will be remembered but the album as a whole I believe is a great effort and definetly better than their debut. If they keep putting albums out like this I hope VR is around a long time.:smoking:

Does Weiland sing the verse in "Get Out the Door"?

Yeah he does, seen him do it live. I think the diversity in his vocals, changing his tone to match the attitude of the different songs, is one of the greatest additions to the new album

wow all u guys praising it has really renewed my faith in this album. i'm officiallly pumped. gonna wait till it comes out in stores tho, only a week or so left.

yea i think they did a great job with this album

i think scotts vocals sound great, and i also think this album is much better than contraband

slashs solos are a lot more evident on this album than than they were on contraband

I personally think it sucks. and it sucks a big time. Contraband is far superior. this new one is very repetitive and boring. most songs have the same tempo, same drums, same riffs, same Slash solo. definitely the worst album Slash ever participated on. it reminds me Izzy albums - but Izzy has his own style so it's ok, but this is a "supergroup" so we could expect something more than a parade of mediocrity. sorry to say that, I'm disappointed.

Damn it, I can't wait no longer

 :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

I found five songs which were decent to good but there was again too much filler for my money: Gravedancer, Mary Mary, Last Fight, She Mine and Pills, Demons, ect.  The ballads though are VR's prime rib and again they stand out for me. I have not or ever connected with their harder songs: Weiland seems boxed in by the rhythm section. Is it better than Contraband? Perhaps slightly but it didn't (edit) bring me places that other songs had brought me before . Decent effort but largely forgettable from my seat.

You could make that comment about almost every album released for the past 30 years. Every artist gets an inspiration from somewhere, and stylistically there isn't a rock band out there right now that isn't piggybacking off of someone else's sound to some degree or another.

Not quite what I mean, but I probably phrased it poorly. This album didn't take me to a place inside myself where i hadn't been before. I found it standard, by the numbers rock.

The more I listen to this record, the more I appreciate the grooves and melodies, but also the more I feel disappointed by the lack of any really mean, bluesy riffs by Slash, like say "Set Me Free".  I feel Slash really isn't utilized like he could be on these songs.  He doesn't ever go off with some nasty solo that just sinks its teeth into the song.  That type of guitar playing along with the beautiful tone and melodic and lyrical playing Slash DOES show on this record are what makes Slash Slash.  I can't help but feel that Slash isn't completely there on this record.

Ali

Quick review of each song

Let It Roll - Cool intro "riff" which is repeated during the chorus, musically it loses some momentum during the verses.  Good solo, good solid song

She Mine - throwaway, B-side material at best IMO.  Generic riff, grating chorus, I wanted shut it off the first time I heard it and it hasn't improved on further listens

Get Out The Door - Not overly impressed with it at first, but now I think it's one of the better songs on the album.  Entertaining, funny song and very catchy

SBQM - generic, corporate rock garbage.  Absoutely can't stand this song apart from the solo

Last Fight - good, mellow ballad type song.  Not on the level of YGNR, LTA or even FTP but it's good.  This song was begging for a "big" Slash solo, unfortunately it never materializes, solo is adequate but left me wanting more

Pills, Demons - nice little rocker, good intro, catchy, I like it

American Man - a good bassline is unfortunately countered with a bland, stock riff, chorus is weak, this song does nothing for me.  A nice Slash solo at the end can't rescue this one from overall mediocrity

Mary, Mary - Other than a catchy hook it really has nothing going for it.  It's lacking in energy and emotion, both musically and vocally.  Definite "meh" song

Just 16 - musically, by far coolest and most energetic song from start to finish on here.  Very bluesy guitars, good rocking song.  Lyrics are excessively repetitive, and a band of 40 year olds writing songs about teenage fantasoes like banging the hot teacher is questionable in a few ways, but hey it's still a good song

Can't Get It Out Of My Head - Eh.  Average song, unfortunately wastes one of Slash's better solos of the album much like American Man.  Now why couldn't Slash have used one of these solos on The Last Fight?  Kind of a throwaway track here

For A Brother - a mediocre riff straight off the shelf, not a fan of the vocal melodies during the verses at all.  Boring, for lack of a better word

Spay - One of the heavier songs on the album but it's lacking something, not sure what, but it just doesn't have "it".  It's an okay song, I don't know, it just doesn't have anything in particularly appealing about it

Gravedancer - Good slow track, nice mellow guitars on this one, definitely one of the strongest songs on the album

Bonus track - unexpected, but good

Wow, shotgunblues. We are on the same page with the exception of She Mine which I thought was catchy.

Great review, you hit the nail on the head.

Yeah, this album for me on the first couple listens is rather unremarkable.  When Contraband first came out, I was hooked instantly, and even though that album didn't have great staying power long term, I couldn't stop listening to it when it first came out.  With Libertad there were very few moments that grabbed me and pulled me in, not many moments that elicited emotion, no songs as strong as my favorite songs off of CB.  I think that, much like Contraband, this album will be praised because there's not much of this type of rock out there in the mainstream so there will be a demand for it.  But if this album had came out when blues based rock was still the toast of the town, I think a lot of people would agree these guys are really just going through the motions on a lot of the songs here and the album as a whole is very average.  It doesn't have a lot of punch or attitude as an overall album.  I don't think this one's gonna have a lot of replay value, outside of a couple songs I didn't hear anything that I was anxious to play again

Im waiting till July 3rd.

I listened to the first 3 songs, got a taste and now I can happily wait.


Let It Roll is Awesome
She Mine Sucks worse than anything I've heard in a while
Get out THe Door is phenomenal

"Get Out The Door" is very catchy and has a nice groove.  There is something about the chorus to "She Mine" that just grates on me badly.

Ali

^
I still may end up liking She Mine


It took me tons of listens to like Spectacle and some of those Contraband songs.



I think Let It Roll and Get Out The Door sound like All time great classic rock songs.

People can hate on Scott all they want cause he hurt their feelings dissing Axl, but the man has a great voice and can sing a fuckin melody.

It happened to me.  Listened to it at top volume in the car and started to dig it.

Me too, but I think that for me, the grating comes from Scott's tone in the chorus.  He shows some great tones to his voice on this album, but I think for that song it's just a little grating in the chorus. 

I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the vocal melodies on this album.  I've never considered Scott to be a great lyricist, and still don't, or melody writer, but he wrote melodies on this record very appropriate to the songs.

Ali

Youre familiar with his STP work?

I know you know better D.  After all you currently rate SBQM as a 7 out of 10 track but when it came out you were super hyped and saying crazy things about it, like saying  these songs sound like all time great rock songs, crazy stuff  :smoking:

Im not saying they "ARE ALL TIME CLASSIC SONGS"

I'm saying they SOUND like All Time Classic songs.

They have the groove,feel,vibe and sound of the same music back in the day that was awesome and kicked ass unlike new music today which sucks.

I am, and I never considered his melodies in STP to be that great.  To me, the strength in that band was the DeLeos' songwriting ability and I think that is validated by the outstanding Army of Anyone album.

Ali

'Gravedancer' is the best song on the album hands down, simply beautiful

 :-\ :no: :crying: :-[ :(

Very sad right about now. I heard the new Libertad record and was really blown away on how disposable it all sounded. Mediocre at best. I thought with Brendan O'Brien as the captain things would have been much better than Contraband, I was wrong. Sonically it is better, Slash sounds like a better version of Slash again. Yes, the critics will bask in the hype of the "supergroup" cliche, and say witty things like "lock up your daughters here comes VR!" Here on planet earth, radio won't embrace this sub par offering, no way. Some solo's were good, most were straight off the shelf, sounding like "thats good enough" was said in the studio, on many different levels. Scott sounded oddly contrived at times, although some vocal production is slick, doesn't do anything to help the mediocre songwriting. Slash has definitely honed in on the same type of, dare I say recycled riff, over and over, song to song, not too much variation-guitar players will hear this right away. Although Matt claimed it was the next Physical Graffiti, it's really more like the emotion you have when you see graffiti on a monument or on a library wall....disappointment. This really should be their final dancing days.

the more i listen the more i like it...sounds great on head phones..

i think grave dancer closely followed by american man) is the best song...every song has strong melodies

You came to your conclusion before even hearing the album, as seen in this childish quote:

Yes! Because radio only plays good stuff like Nickleback... ::)

I have to disagree on that. When I listened to the record the other night, some songs started out promising, but as soon as scott opened his mouth he just ruined it. His voice is so god damn annoying, I don't know how anyone can say he's a good singer.

Comedy.




/jarmo

Okay, now your opinion just became completely void. You can say some absurd things, and I can accept that as merely an opinion. That however, was just too far, for me to ever take you seriously again.

So I'm not allowed to not like scotts voice now?

No, I think he meant you sounded crazy when you declared that nobody could like him. Which you did, do, and will.

I never declared that no one could like him, read what I said again instead of trying to start shit. What I was was I DONT KNOW how anyone could think he is a good singer because I don't see it in him. Stop trying to make it out to be more then it is.

Me start shit? I'm not the one who tells others to hang from nuts when confonted with a differing opinons, buddy.

Thanks for that wonderful contribution!

For someone who doesn't want to waste time on something he finds boring, you sure do spend a lot of time wandering through threads looking for opportunities to make witty comments about how amused you are by VR...

Please, neglect the trolls. Don't let them ruin the threads.  : ok:

His post made me laugh.

Trying to make Scott into something he's not just because he likes the band he's in.


 :-*



/jarmo

the album sounds like a great STP album. And im not saying that in a bad way

It's a solid record. I'm really getting into it.... all the songs rock, except For A Brother which I think is just annoying. Overall, I'm pleased. I'll be buying it when it comes out.

Oh my God, this album as a whole is awesome!!!!!!!

I love "don't drop that dime"!  Killer fucking tune.  What a great driving album.  I can already tell.  I now see some similarities to the Exile on Main Street that were earlier mentioned.  Not many "great songs", but as an album, it fits nicely.

It's a very good record.  No doubt about that.

But, is anyone else disappointed by the lack of really mean, bluesy riffs from Slash? 

I mean there is nothing just really nasty and aggressive from him on this record.  "Set Me Free" had a pretty nasty, bluesy opening riff, but I don't hear anything quite like that on this record and I've listened to it over two times already.

Ali

Good point, we will have to listen to CB to fulfill some needs, but as far as nasty playing, Sway and Just 16 fill that void nicely too.

I think you mean spay  :hihi:

Yeah, then maybe it's just a matter of personal taste. ?Those are good songs, no doubt, but to me they aren't the same kind of Slash-hitting-you-with-a-sledgehammer-of-a-bluesy-riff songs.

Ali

Ali, I would agree with that.  Like Snakepit 1. But, that being said, I still appreciate his laid back approach on this album.

Contraband had more of an STP sound than Libertad, which doesn't.

I disagree, Contraband definitely has more GN'R-style guitar crunch than Libertad does. Libertad sounds more poppy, closer to STP style.
The only difference is some of Slash's soloing on Libertad.

Yup my sentiments exactly Metallex78

I heard the record over a week ago, way before your ears heard it Booker. I posted my comments yesterday, after hearing and sitting with the record for some time. I mentioned the AOL music in case nobody had heard any tracks, they could go there and listen. I still stand by my, what you call "childish quote" though, I just feel like I've heard these songs before. Perhaps I was too harsh. People, really want Libertad to be good because of the lack of good rock. I understand that, but to me, it's pretty disposable. So go and put your top songs in order of best to worst and have fun with it....like a child would.

After a few listens of Libertad, I'm still undecided about it. There are some really great tracks like Let It Roll, Get Out The Door, Last Fight, Just 16, but there's some pretty bland sounding stuff too. It might just be me, but when For A Brother started, I thought my cd skipped back to Get Out The Door, the riffs sound almost exactly the same.

My main problem is some songs are really bland sounding and don't have much going on as far as interesting riffs, especially from someone of Slash's caliber.

I'm hoping it grows on me, but overall I'd say Contraband is a stronger album than this so far.

I thought Contraband had elements of both GN'R and STP. Songs like "Slither" could have been on an STP album. "Libertad" by contrast, with the exception of the Nirvana-esque "Spayed" doesn't really have that STP element that the debut had, IMHO.

I disagree.  The swirling breakdown on "For A Brother" sounds very much like STP to me, with Weiland even going into the low register he used for much of STPs early material.  "American Man" sounds like STP to me (he also repeats the "Where do I go?" line from "For A Brother"s breakdown).  "Gravedancer" has shades of "Atlanta." 

Id say this album is Weilands best work since No. 4, maybe even Tiny Music....  Thats not a bad accomplisment, especially considering this is his eighth full album.

Richardnixon, I think you may be making your comparison to strictly STP's Core? because after that album they became a different band, particulary "tiny music". Gravedancer reminds me of "Still Remains" in ways

I made that connection as well.  I think its due in large part to the lyrics of both songs: both describe a woman and contain references to feet, death, floating/drifting away, breaths, and flies.

Metallex, maybe their 3rd album will be the charm for you!  If you took the best from CB and the best from Libertad, you have a hell of an album.


I like the back ground vocals on this new album.  The different guitar sounds are amazing.....

Yeah, no doubt. I don't hate this album, and the good songs on there are really great. Let It Roll, She Mine, Get Out the Door, Last Fight and Just 16 are all killer, it's just the rest of the album kinda falls flat.

I gotcha.... I hope they don't release a "greatest hits" for their third album... Ha!!!!!

Does anyone have the lyrics to Pills, Demons, Etc?

Someone said this in another thread, but "For a Brother" sounds a lot like "State of Love and Trust" by Pearl Jam. Apart from that, I see your points--there is some STP in these songs, but I think Scott's STP roots are more aparent on the debut. I tend to think of Libertad as having more of a 70s retro vibe, and Contraband as having more of a 90s sound. And while Contraband sounded like a mix of VR/GN'R, the new CD sounds like a brand new entity.

And that low-baritone was on the first CD, like on "Sucker Train Blues."

I dont recall Weiland going into that Core/Purple style on Contraband.  What part of "Sucker Train Blues?" 

The verse. Also listen to "Dumb Love" from SLDD.

I personally dont consider that similar to his early STP style.  If anything, "Headspace" comes closest. 

Headspace is the closest Weiland gets on CB to old school STP.

This record is definitely more catchy and radio friendly than contraband but not nearly as good. Contraband had some seriously gritty GNR style riffs and soloing all over it. Libertad does not. Not nearly as dark and sleazy as I would have hoped. It is definitely a departure. The critics will like it better because a lot of critics are stupid and don't get what true hard rock is supposed to be. Where the fuck is Slash? I don't feel him enough on this record at all.

Quick Review on first listen:

Normally I am not a huge fan of albums first time through and it usually takes me 4 or 5 good listens to give a fair opinion.
 
Let It Roll 7.5 out of 10
She Mine Definitely growing on me its up to a 6 out of 10
Get Out The Door? 7.5 out of 10
She Builds Quick Machines 7.5 out of 10
The Last Fight *8.5 out of 10*
Pills Demons etc 7 out of 10
American Man 6.5 out of 10
Mary Mary 6.5 out of 10
Just 16 Love Slash's guitar hate the lyrics/subject matter 6.5 out of 10
Can't Get it out of my head 7 out of 10
For A Brother 6 out of 10
Spay 6 out of 10
Grave Dancer 8 out of 10
Hidden Song 8 out of 10



The Hidden Song is what I'd love more out of VR.

This song sounds like they are just having fun and creating instead of trying to Be Something.


The album on the first listen was OK

Of course I hated CB till about the 4th listen.

First listen through though its an Ok to above average album but there weren't any songs that made me feel that something special inside..............

Of course this is first listen.


On Stadium Arcadium by my beloved Chili's, I only liked maybe 8 out of the 28 songs first listen through and now I think its one of the greatest albums I've ever heard.

So Im gonna crank this in the car tomorrow and give another review at the end of the week.

I'm sure a lot of those songs will really catch my ear and my ratings will go up. : ok:

Album starts off well with Let It Roll, She Mine, and Get Out the Door. Nothing wrong there. Solid songs particulary She Mine which imo should have been the first single.

She Builds.... except for when they slow it down this song blows. Horrible choice for a single almost as bad as Diry Little Thing

Last Fight- Ironically another "ballad" that vr shines on. Great intro and overall great vibe. Reminds me a lot of stp and the last album they did. This will do well on the radio. Not as catchy as FTP but I like it better than FTP. Still not as good as YGNR though.

Pills, Demons...... its ok. Good chorus. Another song with an STP vibe. I think they kinda cut the solo short.


Mary Mary.... didnt we hear this song already?...see track 2. zzzzzzzz next

Just 16-good song.

For A Brother- Eh . Shoulder shrug type reaction. Descent Chorus but not much goin on

Spay- When I first heard the clip that was released I called the song a mess or something along those lines. I take it back. This song is very good.? I enjoyed it. More of a CB song than a song for this album but comparing this song to the rest of the album this is one that stands out. I dig it.

Gravedancer---- This song basically sums up how I feel about this album and band. The song itself is enjoyable. Ironically yes another "ballad", but I feel like I have heard this song before....um...let me think...umm hmmmm..ftp any1?

as for the bonus track...VR must have heard the nutjobs that covered silkworms....myspace does work afterall

When I first heard CB I was atleast excited that Slash and Duff were back and were teaming up with Weiland. After hearing this album I wasnt. It was more like a shrug my shoulders type reaction. Theres some good songs on here. Nothing mindblowing or even to be honest memorable. This album makes CB look great. Cb compared to this was agressive loud and in your face. THis had much more of a STP/alternative vibe. Where were the blistering SLash riffs and solos? Atleast CB offers some of that although not much. I cant believe I am glowing about CB right now. But I mean this album is a average at best. I cant even give it the "its better than whats playing on the radio" tag.

I just came away with I have heard this before vibe from these songs...Its like they used the same formula for both writings.? its one long song...All of these songs pretty much sound the same. Theres too much talent in this band for me to be hearing that. There is nothing diverse from the 2 albums...u have the rockers and ballads,,,,and each have the same formula! Can I get some kind of creativity? I mean Slash is in this band...godam Slash! Hes even more lost on this album than CB.

YGNR still stands out as the top VR song. Not 1 song comes close on this album or CB. If they just let there good songs stand out and did something else with the fillers they would have something. Its like they make a couple of good songs then decide to follow that formula and mail it in. Why? I dont get it. Give me something with balls, with bite, with a what the fuk was that sense. You can call me a nutswinger all you want but imo this album blows. CB is better and Slash really needs to take control on the next album. If they are not gonna step out of the box atleast have slash deliver some in ur face blistering solos and riffs...
duff sums it up best at the end:
yodaleoooooo....whatever........



o and...

 :rofl:

My first listen I feel similiar to Younggunner I must say.


U guys want the honest truth?


After finishing it the first thing i said was


"When's the reunion?" :hihi:


Like I said, Don't hold me to anything I am saying right now, After 3 or 4 more listens it could be very good. I am also in a pretty bad mood tonight after what all has happened with one of my fav wrestlers going completely psycho and killing himself and his family, so that may have taken some of the enjoyment out of it.

I just wrote a Bon Jovi review over at a BJ board and Im sure I was much more harsh than what I'd be tomorrow.

I've got mixed feelings about this record compared to contraband.

I think the songs I like on libertad I like more than contraband, but overall I like contraband better cos its generally heavier.

Theres 4-5 really strong tracks on libertad and a few that so far to me havn't yet made much impact...but i find my reaction to new music changes with more and more listens....

I really love "Let it Roll" thats the most fun song i've heard in years...just makes me want to rock out!!!

While I love this VR music, I do miss the kind of playing slashed used to belt out more of, and its not just solos its the riffs...like if you listen to Snakepit 1 or GNR like "Don't Damn Me"...i want more of that kinda thing...

But i'm still very happy to have this stuff.

I think the average tracks on this album are She Mine, SBQM and For A Brother... though I don't particularly dislike any of these songs.  There's very few albums that don't have a few clunkers mixed in (even the untouchable GNR CDs).... but the rest of the album is doing it for me.  I love the build up to the chorus in Mary Mary and the actual chorus in Pills, Demons, Etc.... I think this album sounds much more "natural" than Contraband (if that makes sense) and I think it will do well.

I feel exactly like I did after Contraband the first time.

I don't hate anything, but there aren't a whole lot of songs that I truly love and want to play over and over and over and over again.

Anyone else feel like the ballads, including the ELO cover, are some of the strongest, if not the strongest tracks on the record?

Ali

I wouldnt include "Cant Get It Out Of My Head," but certainly "The Last Fight" and "Gravedancer" are.  Add "You Got No Right," "Loving The Alien," and "Fall To Pieces" and it becomes obvious that VR is really good at ballads.

pretty much. Its funny how the ballads have turned out to be better than most of the rockers over the past 2 albums.

Hopefully on the next album they can take the ballads in a new direction and deliver something fresh. Twists and turns are MIA...They should have listened to Rubin when he said write more songs

gravedancers sounds like the alt version of FTP.

Is it?  "Sweet Child O' Mine" is likely Appetite For Destructions best song.  "November Rain" is likely the best song on Use Your Illusion I.  "You Could Be Mine" is probaly my favorite from Use Your Illusion II, but "Estranged," "Locomotive," and "Breakdown" arent far behind.  "Beggars & Hangers-On" is the best song on Its 5 'O Clock Somewhere and "Back To The Moment" is right behind "Serial Killer" as Aint Life Grands best.  The point is that Slashs ballads (and Weilands, for that matter) have always been album highlights.  Its nothing new, so Im not sure why it would be funny.

I personally disagree with that accessment of AFD and the Illusion albums. Plus trying to find quality on the Snakepit albums is pretty much a search for an oasis in the desert. 

In talking to yg, and I concur with his point, there is a sizeable drop off between the ballads and the rockers on these first two VR albums. That was not the case with GnR. That alone is the irony of what VR has become.

In some related irony, I actually think you could make that exact same claim about the work we have heard from GNR thus far. The ballads/epics are clearly on another level than the rockers, compared to the old days of Guns as you said where the fall-off was not nearly as it is now.

Maybe we just all need to start attributing some of the lack of ability for the original Guns members to make a Jungle/Nightrain/YCBM level rocker with their age and general position in life. I think as you age and get more comfortable that the nasty aggression of struggling youth is the first thing to go.

That would dove-tail in well with the idea that both Axl/Slash's ability to write an Appetite quality rocker has clearly diminished, while their ability to produce a killer ballad has remained intact. It may just be coincidence, but it is rather odd that they do seem to be struggling with the same affliction given given how good they used to be at it.

And I disagree with your assessment of VRs albums.  Youngunners and your opinion of VR has been the same for years, going back to your support of a Contraband boycott.  I think most on here view your opinions in the proper context.  The same can be said for esteban, Jarmo, and some others. 

... and from your Contraband review...



Not really going in with an open mind is it? ?:hihi:

By the second full album you should know they are a different band with a different sound/style (and singer!)...

Jim Bob!   : ok:   :P

What can be said about your opinion?

Would you consider yourself objective?

Explain.




/jarmo

I have to whole-heartedly disagree with that assertion. ?I believe "Sweet Child" is the catchiest, most accessible song on Appetite, but not the best. ?I think "Jungle", "My Michelle", "Nightrain", "Rocket Queen" and "Mr. Brownstone" are all better songs.

On the Illusion records, I have always believed that "Civil War", "Don't Damn Me" and "You Could Be Mine" are the best songs on those albums.

I've never called for a Contraband boycott and I've been complimentary towards Libertad, so you can't use that argument that you used with younggunner and KV towards me.

Ali

I don't agree with that at all.  I wouldn't call "Better" a ballad and it kicks ass, and "Chinese Democracy" isn't a ballad and that's a pounding headbanger for sure.  As far as Slash goes, he still has it in him, but for whatever reason, the band as a whole did not go in a direction on this record that would allow to just bust out something mean and nasty like "Don't Damn Me".

Ali

Not only that, but Sweet Child is not a ballad.  It's a love song, but by no means a ballad.  The closest thing to a ballad on AFD would be the outro of Rocket Queen

UYI albums have a lot of excellent songs on them, some of them ballads.  But epics like Coma and Locomotive are heavy, rocking songs that are also "elite" level long songs just as good as NR and Estranged, not to mention all the other class rockers like YCBM and the previously mentioned Don't Damn Me.  Also worth noting that Slash actually wrote the music for Locomotive and Coma and Axl did the lyrics, as opposed to NR and Estranged where the opposite was the case, Axl wrote the entire song on the piano and all the lyrics and then brought them to Slash to have him lay down guitars over them

huh? I actually bought two copies of Contraband, so there goes that hail mary pass.

Good point, Ali. I don't  understand that point at all.  Plus we haven't heard the entire Axl album......so this notion is unproven.

???

What are you talking about?

wow, booker, great memory!

I love the new album, but I also like VR.  So I guess I am more likely to like the new album than someone that is not a huge VR fan.  I think it Rocks.  I love the diversity. 


I think they tried and did a good job and released a released a really good album and are currently touring to support it.  Its good Rock N Roll.  Not Hard Rock or Metal.  Just good Rock.  As a musician, I love it.....  American Man is growing on me!

I'm talking about you saying that KV and younggunner have some sort of bias towards VR and that is influencing their opinion on the rockers vs. the ballads being better on Libertad and Contraband.

I have no negative bias towards VR, and I still think that the ballads are among the, if not the, strongest tracks on the VR records.

Ali

Let's put these posts in context, shall we? You love to post raw emotion and pass it off as a deceit. Slash and Duff had just filed their lawsuit against Axl, many people in this forum were pissed off at the pair. Dave subsequently starts a thread, silly in retrospect, advocating a boycott. My annoyance with a pair was very apparent early on even to the point of initially agreeing with him.

But you know what? I stopped caring. Lived my life. Bought the record twice. Even saw them live. This is the essence of being human. I channeled my anger and rose above.

Booker, you really need to stop these silly attempts at character assassination. This forum is full of raw human emotion and you fail to understand that over the past three years, feelings and opinions can indeed change and mature. Instead though, you must really misunderstand humanity if you believe one's conscience remains rigid throughout their life. In fact, i would grant you such leeway and not pull out the court reporter to skewer you when your opinion shifted.

Right, so I wasnt talking about you. 

Haha, you wish!

The guy loves to pull out quotes from like three years ago to "prove" his point. But at the same time, he ignores questions aimed at him so nobody can quote him on anything later.

He (?) seems to like to dance around certain types of questions to avoid saying bad things about the band.

He attacks those of us who are "negative" and "biased" towards VR while he tries to pass himself off as "objective".



Booker, you need to understand that not all the posters here are Weiland fans who think STP were the greatest band of the 90s......  :-*





/jarmo

*trying to not answer*

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IN YOUR ASS

ok i failed.

Very true. 

Just the other day he made a "point" of "pointing out" that I'd emphasized the same "point" a few times in a couple of different threads about the way the bandmembers and lead singer of VR had conflicting strengths in terms of what type of music they do best

Would he have made the same post if I'd been emphasizing a point that was highly complimentary to VR?  I think we all know the answer is no, he wouldn't have.

My "biased" comments were unnecessary and not worthy of being repeated, but the posters who repteadly praise on VR for everything are fine.  In fact, they SHOULD repeat their praise of VR and shout it from the roof tops, over and over again  :hihi:

It's called a preemptive strike.  Maybe not necessary, but I felt like throwing it in anyway :)

Ali

You forgot to mention a handful of those songs and others Slash and the boys wouldnt consider doing if they werent pushed to do by someone. ;D

What I mean by funny or ironic is that I always heard VR talk about this sleazy in your face lets bring back rock type deal. Yet for me atleast there best songs are the ballads. So I find it funny. I never said Slash was incapable of producing a ballad. He obiviously can. Hes fukin Slash. Look at his past work and current ballad work.....i just find it funny that there homeruns arent the rockers but the ballads....


Why are we? bringin up new gnr?? i thought? ?this was a vr board and isnt it a vr cd discussion??


You havnt heard an AFD type song with guns because of what you just said. Axl and the band are passed that. You cant have it both ways. You cant say why are you complaining about vr when gnr havnt produced and AFD song then say o well vr have grown up...make up your miind,,,,,actually ill answer it for you....gnr arent doing afd. they havnt talked that kind of talk either. but i can argue the spirit of AFD is in some of the new songs but thats for a diff thread....

enough of gnr....vr have said they are this big bad rock band. so when they fail to deliver those big bad sleazy songs you cant then come back at me and say o well they have grown up.

like i said you cant have it both ways.'

and when i say that the ballads are better than the rockers I am not saying that because the rockers dont sound like AFD. I dont want vrs rockers to sound like AFD. I want them to sound refreshing. And aside from a few songs they dont do that for me. Its too generic. There arent any twists or turns on this album. No lyrical masterpieces. Combine that with a basic formula approach you have a boring band/album....but thats just for me... : ok:


I bought CB and waited all day to be on the rail for one of there nyc concerts when it came out. What boycott? Get a life and stop with your HTGTH journal. Its lame. This is music. Its subjecive. My opinion is just as good as yours. What makes you or any other person the right person to review CD?

Dont ge mad cause this album blows. One day when Axl is done with this chapter of his life he ll give slash a call and ask him if he wants to revive his career and to some meaningful music again. Till then you can quote your lil heart out while I save my dimes for the album that will deliver the goods....

Wow, you're getting really harsh towards VR and their new album. Has it got worse after more listens?

BTW it's great that there is something to talk about. Nice boys don't play rock 'n' roll, do they? And they even release it  :hihi:

some things shouldnt be released to the public....and this is one

You should stop using your opinion as a basis for how the world should be. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean others won't truly enjoy it. Look at the reviews it's getting. Some people WILL and DO like this album, and just to spite Axl as some extremely paranoid people have suggested.

This is album is a great listen , sure its not AFD or Zepplin IV , or some ground shattering thing its just good time rock n roll. Every song on there is rock solid, a breath of fresh air for sure. The band has really come to mesh with each other , you can hear it. :beer:

Again, yet to find a bad song like "Big Machine."? "American Man" is a real dark horse for me at this point.? It has potential.? Hell, they all do!

I liked the album the first time I heard it but it's really growing on me. I think it's the best rock album of the year, so far....

This is a great album IMO. ?At the 4th listen right now and it is just really really good rock. ?The truly funny thing for me is that it sounds exactly like I would think an STP/GNR collaboration would sound with Weiland writing lyrics and doing the vocals. ?I think these guys prove that you don't need 10 years to make a really good rock album.

Concur , but in Axl's defense he isn't just trying to create a good rock album. I honestly think thats why the parted ways , Slash and Co wanted some killer rock n roll music,  Axl has a grand plan..... until I hear it I think its all BS but anywayyyyyys.

Before turning this into somthing it isn't, the 10 years isn't about making a good rock record, it's about reinventing yourself and your band musically and rebuilding your band.

Axl and Slash parted ways because Axl wanted to grow and evolve and Slash wanted to stick to the classic GN'R sound by and large.

Ali

Back on Topic.....

I get the album and what they were wanting to do. ?Their descriptions actually match the vibe I get from the album. ?I love the stripped down rock n roll "exile on main st." diversity. ?

In comparison to other current rock albums, nothing can hang with this, or appeal to as many masses. ?People who like Daughtry to Matchbox 20 can like this as can guys who like Black Sabbath or AC/DC.. ?It goes everywhere. ?Its not quite pop... Not Quite hard rock.. ?Just good Rock N Roll. ?And I love it. ?

American Man--what's that song about? "The Last Fight" is about a man going off to war (Iraq?) so is this related to war, anti-war? Weiland seems to be pretty liberal.

I hope Weiland keeps politics out of his music and doesn't shove them down my throat.  I probably would disagree with most of what he says.

A song or two with some kind of political POV is okay. A whole album...not so much.

Well, he already pissed Sorum off by posting his political views on their website.

Ali

Yea thats exactly what I was saying , Axl wanted to turn it into some huge kind of ground breaking thing , or try it. Slash just wanted to keep rocking , nothing more. I even said , axl isnt trying to make a good rock record.

I remember that.  Its not good for business either.  Look what it did to Dixie Chics.  Nobody wants to hear that shit, just rock.  We want entertained, you know.  Oh well.  Civil War was a bad ass song that not really political, cause everyone should agree with it.  Ha!

Listened to the album on my way to work and Im sorry guys but I just don't like it.

It seems to get worse the more I hear it.


I took it out today and put my New Bon Jovi CD back in.


Libertad just doesn't have anything to make me wanna keep listening.

I found myself skipping every song and sadly I think SBQM is the best song.

I liked "the Last FIght" my first listen but after another listen it bored me to pieces.


Grave Dancer is a carbon rip almost of Fall To Pieces.


There is nothing on Libertad on par with STB, DIFTK, FTP, YGNR or LTA.

D, don't give up on them yet.  Still a great live act and will do another album... I hope.  I love it though.  DIFTK I always thought was a little overrated.  I loved Dirty Lil Thing though.

Have to agree with you D, I don't find Libertad that great.

Funny how two fans can listen to the same band and have such different opinions, because I feel Libertad blows Contraband out of the H20.

I disagree.  If its done well, I want to hear it.


I just dont see this.  It has one similar line ("Everytime we fall down"), but a carbon rip?   

"Can't Get it Out of my Head" is just gorgeous. What's Wall talking about?

Listen to the intro music.
Almost note for note.



Contraband grabs me and just rocks and is aggressive and in your face.


Libertad sounds like a Scott Weiland Record and not a Velvet Revolver record.


Slash's riffs and solos don't grab me like i expected.

Im gonna keep listening and hopefully something will grow on me

I just keep remembering Slash talkin about how the CB producer didn't know how to record guitars.

Well on CB the guitars to me fuckin rocked

ON LIbertad they sound Neutered.


I can kind of see why Rick Rubin didn't gel with the band.


Im still a VR fan and will buy the album and see them live but I am really disappointed by this album.

Yeah, he told them to go back to the drawing board and write more songs.  There was an interview where they said that they had already written a bunch of songs but Rubin wanted them to come back with more.  They seemingly took offense but maybe they should have taken his advice

Sounds like a Scott Weiland album?  ???

The tone and production of Libertad is so much clearer than on CB, which sounds as though there is a can of shaving cream going on in the backround the whole time.

He's too busy producing Metallica's next piece of shit and Justin Tinkertoy.

Most overrated producer ever.

BOB is much better and a better fit for VR.

I get the vibe of it being a Scott album too, it's very 'poppy' sounding. Contraband has a shoddy mix, but the guitars pack so much more punch, that's for sure.

Dick thats one of the craziest things u have ever said


Rick Rubin Over rated?

U can't be serious.

What's so great about him?

D, when you buy a Bon Jovi Album, you know what to expect by now.

VR is still growing and going through Growing Pains it seems, in your eyes anyway. ?

We all know who and what Bon Jovi is, but not yet for VR, just like Appetite to UYI was night and day, so is this. ?Good, Bad, I don't know. ?We shall see. ?

For one he's produced rap songs that rock harder than a lot of Libertad :smoking:

That's not a sarcastic comment, either.  It's true

Because its what he wants to sing about.  Politics (and religion) have been in rock and roll for a long time.  Certainly the Sex Pistols werent concerned about offending people.  Neither were the Clash or Rage Against The Machine. 


I dont agree.  I think he should say it, in a more creative way, of course, if he wants to.  If it alienates fans, so be it.  I dont think an artist should try to accomodate everyone.  I especially dont think they should censor themselves to avoid offending somebody.  That might mean losing some fans, but as I said, so be it.


Nope.  Dont hear it.

So he's a whore and will produce anyone if he thinks he can get a hit from them?

Booker, I side with Sorum on this one and use Dixie Chics as an example.  You want to lose album sales and attendance and just play Europe?  Bash your country and you are there.  I like Political too, if done in taste and good vs. bad.  But that gibberish Scott did a few years ago was so lame, and he pretty much said he hated Bush.  See, Scott doesn't represent his own band's feelings.  Him and Sorum are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to politcs.  So why should he speak and represent the band on that level?  He shouldn't.  Not to compare with GNR, but they were not political, yet successful.  I love One In a Million by the way.  But that is not Politcal.  Listen to Rosie Odonnel, we don't need another one of them.

Maybe I will like Libertad by the end of the week.

I admit it took me awhile to really get into Contraband.

But for right now I am not liking this album at all.

I don't think scott will ever used his music as a tool for political expression. He likes to use much more artistic approaches or tell stories in his lyrics. I just don't ever see it happening, but then again, I haven't deciphered the lyrics to "American Man" yet.

Really? That opening riff sounds eerily similar to the opening riff of FTP. You can almosty sing "it's been a long year" over the start of Gravedancer and it wouldn't sound out of place.

Not sure where you're going with that comment.  He, like Brendan O'Brien, has produced songs for a lot of different bands/musicians.  And both have a lot of hit songs to their name.  Really don't see how you can call Rick Rubin a whore in defense of Brendan O'Brien

Either way it has nothing to do with production style or talent as a producer.  Rick Rubin has literally produced rap songs that have more aggressive and in your face music than a lot of what's on Libertad.  He has also produced a lot of mellower music as well.  But I'm sure there would've been at least a few more heavy, aggressive, in your face songs on the album had Rubin been the producer.  And he probably would've steered VR closer to making a lean and rather vicious rock album

Weiland suported Kerry, while Sorum wants to be apolitical.

How does that make the two "on opposite ends of the spectrum"?

But what is so great about Rick Rubin? What makes him so special.

And BOB never produced a Justin Timberlake album to my knowledge...

Oh, I meant the statement Sorum put out saying that Weiland shouldn't use the website to give political speaches. ?As in, Sorum doesn't want to be labeled a Bush hater, cause a lot of people like Bush and like VR, so why go there. ?Just read what Sorum said, its all there.

Here is a quote...."Sorum, for his part, is still irritated about Weiland's posting a long rant in support of John Kerry on the band's website. "Scott got something up his ass that day, so he put something on our website," he says. "We don't have to fucking put our political views on other people."

I agree..... Kerry was a tool anyway.  Ha!  Just kidding.

It's probably taken out of context, but I remember Slash saying in an interview last year or in 2005 about the follow-up to Contraband "it's gonna be heavier". I wonder what happened to that?

He's produced some great albums and great songs over the year and has done so with a very wide range of musicians.

The Dixie Chicks last album sold over 2 million copies.  In America.  Theyre doing just fine.  What band is only playing Europe because of political statements?



The Dixie Chicks bashed their country?


So what if he hates Bush?

And when did he claim to speak for his band?  Duff also wore a "Kerry" shirt right before the 2004 election.


They are?  Sorum might have disagreed with the way Scott made his statement, or he might share your view that musicians shouldnt be political, but when did he discuss his own political beliefs?

   

He didnt.  He spoke for himself.  The letter was signed was signed "Scott Weiland" and didnt mention his band members. 


Actually, it is a comparison.

 

Who said a band had to be political?  I simply said an artist should ultimately do what they want.  If it means making a poltical statement, they should do it.  If they dont want to, they shouldnt.

I don't know if Brendan O'Brien is at fault here because the production, while "poppy" sounding, is done well. I just think allot of the songs are pretty bland, regardless of producer.

they were talking about voting and Duff was wearing a shirt with bush and hitler on it and it said "same shit, different asshole" or something to that extent

Apparently, according to the band, Brendan O'Brien was involved in the creative process. Some producers are very hands on in working with the band and steering the musical direction of a project.  Others, not so much.  But there was an interview that made it appear that O'Brien was pretty hands on

With Rubin, it sounded like they never really got off the ground.  He told them to go write some more songs and it seems like they took that request personally, or were at least discouraged by it and the progress ground to a halt

Brendan O'Brien, if you don't know, produced the STP albums.  Wonder what Mike Clink was up to  :smoking:

Gotcha Booker. ?I just think that the lead singer represents the band in some aspects and I can see why Sorum didn't want him posting that on the VR site. ?I agree with that. ?The Dixie Chicks do not sell out any shows in the South anymore like they used too. ?2 million is nothing compared to what they used to do, they were one of the biggest acts in the country. ?I saw this on MSN or Fox News or something how only their tour in Europe did really well. ?I guess I just got carried away. ?I like Scott, but he made a stupid post about ND football too. ?See, I just don't think Scott is educated enough in Politics to influence others and he is very influential. ?The Dixie Chicks did talk bad about America while on a European tour Bashing Bush and saying we should get out of Iraq while in the middle of a war. ?Those things you shouldn't do because it makes it look like you don't support the troups so it hurt them and they are still fighting that. ?Every time Alec Baldwin says something like "I will leave the country if Bush gets elected" it takes away credibility. ?He is a great actor, but says stupid shit. ?If he wants to say it, I guess go ahead. ?What do I care. ?I am obviously going to lose this battle. ?I just frankly don't care what weiland things about politically to be honest. ?Sorry, you guys are right. ?He does have the right, freedom of speech. ?I just may not like it, Weiland's opinion, and it may have bad business implications. ?Sorry for my rant. ?And sorry for being off topic.

I saw that shirt... That shirt would probably offend Jews.? I am not Jewish, but that shirt is awful.? To compare Bush to a guy that killed 6million Jews is beyond retarded, especially when America is Israel's biggest Ally.

But, I love Duff.... My favorite Bass player. 

Next album should be Mike Clink for sure.  Weiland got to use his guy this go around.  Slash and Duff, and Matt deserve the same treatment!!!

Dave gets his on Album 4!  Ha!  Wasted Youth or Infectious Grooves, take your pick.

I took Libertad out of my cd player and put UYI in and the killer opening riffage of Right Next Door To Hell :o , you gotta wonder what Mike Clink could've done producing a VR album.

To compare Hitler with Bush is absurd...Hitler wrote a book...and was elected....

Ha!!!!!  good one!  He was also an alter boy and never drank, or smoke.  What a model citizen! 

I dont think one has to have a political science degree to express a political opinion. 



They criticized a politician, not their country.  George W. Bush is not synonymous with America.



Apparently you do.


No need to apologize.  I simply disagreed with what you said and explained my reasoning. 


It would be nice to hear Clink with the GNR guys again.  The production on Its 5 'O Clock Somewhere was very good.

The last album I heard Clint produce was Motley Crue's New Tattoo, which sounded good, but was too retro. I think BOB brought the best of of VR and I hope he's around for the next CD.

A quick search reminded me that hes producing the Camp Freddy record, which I believe will feature nearly all of the VR guys.

Hmm, Clint or BOB?

When's that being recorded?

Well, people don't like America, long before Bush and long after Bush. ?I really feel it almost doesn't even matter who the pres is anymore. ?Gas will still be high, and people will still want to blow us up. ?Regardless of who is in office. ?The mistake that Dixie Chicks did was going to a place where Bush/America is disliked and started Bashing Bush, which led to the audience cheering. ?I think Bush is synonymous with the US, whether we like it or not. ?Every President is. ?Just like Iran's lunatic pres is and North Korea's head man is. ?Its all the rest of the world knows. ?He is our lead singer/Scott Weiland. ?If the US was VR, than Bush would be our Weiland. He speaks on behalf of the US, so he is our current representative. ?If Bush Bombs Bahgdad, America bombed. ?Not just Bush.

Again, I disagree.  Now this is off-topic, and it can be continued in the Jungle if youd like, but ask yourself:

If somebody dislikes George W. Bush (or Bill Clinton, since you seem to be a Bush supporter), do they dislike America?

Thats the last Ill say on the topic in this thread.


Clink.

I think its still being recorded.  Its been in recording for a long time and doesnt seem to be coming out anytime soon.

Booker, topic done.? No, not a supporter.? Just being objective.? Just kidding.


Listening to Contraband now....? Solid, not great..? Muscially, bad ass.? Mix, God awful, major static in background.? I see why Metallex prefers it.? Headspace should have ended up better.? I still don't like Big Machine.? STB, awesome opener, most GNR sounding song musically ever.? With good Production, and Current Weiland, would be much better.?

I hear it too. At least three other Bar members remarked about this similarity. Strange. A homage?


in retrospect, the Dixie Chicks weren't wrong when they criticized Bush but the timing of the statement was inappropriate. A few weeks or so before major combat started, they did a show in London and made a statement that pandered to the European audience. At that point, no one knew that Tenet and Bush were selling the country a load of goods; the evidence for WMD appeared to be compelling, yet the band decided to make an anti-Bush statement out of an anti-war philosophy. The problem was simply that the nation wasfilled with a great deal of anxiety and anger as what was promised to be a 9/11 reprisal was about to be unleashed. Many Americans resented the fact that this group went to Europe to make these statements yet didn't have the guts to speak out at home. Others felt that they should have had more compassion and understanding for those whose loved ones were in harms way.

The group languished after the incident but as the war has been exposed for the load of bullocks that it is, they are largely forgiven, and even applauded.

KV comes to the rescue.  I agree with you, thanks for finishing my thoughts for me, about the Dixie Chics that is.

Its almost the same exact effing notes (Gravedancer) as fall to pieces in the the intro.... Maybe it is homage!  Ha!

booker are u deaf? its def an alt version of ftp

Brenden O'Brien did a pretty damn good job. Better than Josh Abraham

Listening as to what Libertad sounds like now I'd say that he (rick Rubin) had a pretty good reason for them to keep writing songs.

Anyway, I have to say that I'm dissapointed, with all those interviews from Velvet Revolver saying that they pushed themselves to the limit i'd have at least thought that the album would've sounded a bit more diverse than it actually does. I don't think that i'd be able to listen to the album all the way through..but if i'd shuffle all the songs along with some other records by other artists it might not be that bad after all.

Im thinkin right now I am simply suffering from high expectations.

I just expected a lot more so I think that is why I am having a hard time liking this album.

Does anyone know how the songs will be credited? They'll credit the whole band, or the band for the music, Weiland for the lyrics, or each song will be credited to individuals? Not that important, but I'm curious.

I've listened to Libertad and well... I liked the first 3 songs, and thats it.

But after the 5th song is like hearing the same song, again and again and again... an though I love Weiland work in STP, I find his vocals BORING as hell.

I either dont like Slash solos. Every single record in the past you could at least hear a couple of songs with that "GO SLASH!" moment that gave electricity to your body, a feeling, an emotion I cannot find in Libertad anymore.

Also the songs are like, hummm, kinda complicated... with weird estructures, buy everything seems forced... it does not flows naturally, is like the guys would have said: "Lets complicate this to demostrate how good composers we are", probably tahts why the most simple song is "Let it roll" simple right in your face good ol' r n'r.   

I dont know how to explain better what I have felt in the firsts 4 listenings.

Very, very, very mediocre record IMHO

this isn't a thread for reviewing contraband ;)

That's how I feel. Libertad is a much better album. I don't understand how fans of rock could't like the new VR.

I don't know man. takes you all several listens to figure out if you like a song?. That's insane. When you first heard Sweet Child of Mine did that take 4 listens also?.

I think you are trying hard to like something that's sub-par. Basically forcing your brain to accept something it doesn't really like. A good song clicks the first time, not 4.

I might pick this album up after I read some more reviews. I'm always interested in new music from old bands.

I needed a dozen of listens to like the UYI twins  :P  After the first 6-8 listens I put AFD back to my cassette player. Sometimes albums need more time - only a few of my all time favorites got me for the first listen. But after like 3 listens, you know if there is a potential in the songs. For you.  :P

I couldn't disagree more, respectfully of course  : ok:.  There are soooo many songs that didn't grab me right away, that I absolutely love now.  Many songs are subtle in melody, rhythm, etc., and take some familiarity before you actually "get" them...and more importantly FEEL them.  I can't explain it better than that, but I'm sure most people know exactly what I'm talking about.  In regards to Libertad, I like most of the songs on first listen.  American Man, however didn't grab me at first, but I woke up this morning with the chorus stuck in my head, and now it is easily my favorite on the album.  I actually think there is some Clapton in Slash's guitar parts on that song.

Oh, you respectfully disagree?. That's cool then. If you had disrespected my opinion I probably would have been angry.  :rofl:

Lol. I'm going to give a listen to it myself.

yeah contraband took a long while, in fact it might have never happened until i saw them live.  libertad was the very rare case of every song being liked on first listen apart from american man

Ha, I just figured I'd throw that in since there is so much backbiting and disrespect on this board.  We all have different likes and dislikes...what excites one musically is going to bore the bejeezes out of another.  Good vibes peeps. :beer:

Biggest difference so far was, even though I didn't like Contraband right away, it still had a certain element that made me give it a chance till I liked it.


With Libertad there just is no desire for me to keep listening.


Everytime I try to give it a nother listen I just turn it off halfway through.


Good music shouldn't be like bad medicine u have to force down.



OK I am listening today and I really like Let It Roll,She Mine,Get Out The Door and The Last Fight


The rest still will have to grow but  at least those songs are good so far.

there are 2 good songs, 2 ok songs, and the rest are an absolute mess.


like i said, VR is the band whose only album worth picking up is their "best of" album, but they need to put out a few more medicore releases first.

That best of album should be pretty cool tho.

With all due respect... Ive been a massive rock fan for over 10 years.... and Ive bought literally 100s of albums... and I think your talking nonsense.

Id say I love about 10 of the 14 on contrand, and so far I love about 6 on Libertad and Ive hardly even listened to a few yet.

Of this genre, this is as good as it gets nowadays.

Well those are 4 of the first 5 songs on the album. In my experience that sounds like the prototypical growing album.

I'm a big fan of rock, but I dunno, to me Libertad is just bland, especially the second half of the album. I'm trying to like it, but I've found myself turning it off already because I don't really like listening to it all the way through.

Did anyone else find that the choruses to certain songs started to get annoying pretty fast after a few listens?  Like Just 16, Spay, American Man? 

I thought SBQM and She Mine had weak and grating choruses the first time I heard them, that hasn't changed

I've been listening to it alot and the only one I can agree with you on is SBQM. I remember the first time I heard it I thought the chorous was a 2nd bridge. I even thought during the 2nd verse I was going to get a real chorous soon. Musically and lyrically it's like nothing happens during that part of the song. I think it might be the weakest song on the album. Only "For a Brother" gives it some competition.

For A Brother is one of those songs where I just go "is this really the best they could come up with?"
Bland and boring come to mind when I hear that song.

Did anyone hear the super special edition "Let It Roll (Candyman Remix)" yet?

If not, send me a PM and maybe I'll hook you up.. unless it's breaking some sort of forum rule..

Because the only thing better than Velvet Revolver is Velvet Revolver & Christina Aguilera together. :hihi:

"Let It Roll" 7.0 / 10
"She Mine" 6.9/ 10
"Get Out The Door" 8.6 /10
"She Builds Quick Machines" 5.8/ 10
"The Last Fight" 8.4/ 10
"Pills, Demons, Etc." 8.2/ 10
"American Man" 5.1/ 10
"Mary Mary" 7.1/ 10
"Just 16" 8.1/ 10
"Can't Get It Out Of My Head" 5.9/ 10
"For A Brother" 4.0/ 10
"Spay" 1.2/ 10
"Gravedancer" 8.6/ 10
"Don't Drop That Dime" 6.8/ 10

 :beer:

^Decent review

Dont know how u gave Pills,Demons Etc that high of a rating


I think Spay is horrible also and event hough I expect to like most of the album, Spay is a song I just don't like period.

My take after a few listens, in the order of the songs I like:

Get Out The Door - I just love the drumming on this, chorus and riffs are not bad. - 8/10
GraveDancer - Nice slow song, although the intro sounds like FTP. Love the wah outro. - 8/10
The Last Fight - Good song. The solo is too short. Like the vocals by Scott. - 8/10
Don't Drop That Dime - Very different and catchy. Nice chorus too. - 7/10
Let It roll - Strong rocker. But I like the live version better. - 7/10
Just Sixteen - Good guitars and music, but like some people said, I don't like the mumbling. Weak chorus - 7/10
Can't Get It Out Of My Head - Finally a decent Slash solo, but it's a cover. - 7/10
Pills, Demons, Etc -. Only the chorus is worth mentioning. Shite lyrics. - 5/10
She's Mine -  A bit weird Arabic tone. Might like it later. - 5/10
American Man - The chord changes are nice, but... - 4/10
For A Brother - Ok - 4/10
She Builds Quick Machines - Never was a fan of this song. Still don't like it. - 4/10
Mary Mary - I hear people praising this song, but I just can't listen to it. - 4/10
Spay - Terrible. - 2/10

Overall: 6/10

I just don't know. There are a few good songs, but I just don't like Slash's work on this one. Can't think of a single solo I would like to play. On Contraband, Slither and Spectacle had very good solos, not to mention the brilliant solo on YGNR. Matt drumming is much better and so are Scott's vocals (Although the lyrics are a mixed bag). I like the fact that Dave wrote GOTD. Finally he's being more visible. Duff has some good basslines on this one.

I will still buy it of course, but I'm quite disappointed.

I think it has the catchiest chorus on the entire album.

I don't think I'll ever like spay. Worst song they made yet.

I'm suprised about the hating on Spay... I think the verses are incredible... it has a good punk vibe.


Pretty much, if you don't like Libertad, you can't be happy with life.  : ok:

I dont understand it either.  Its a straight ahead rocker.  I can understand if it doesnt grab someone, but I dont understand how it would be described as "horrible" and VRs worst song. 

ive listened to this for a week now. i cant really say i think highly of it, its so weak n just crap tbh.

id say i like about 3 songs, the rest of it sucks, this music isnt rock n roll, wht this band claim to be about.
This is stripped down pussyfied commercial tame stuff, so lame, theres some good slash solos n duff basslines, thats all i can credit it for. other than that, this album is a tame piece of music compared to what those band members could make.

Yeah, why couldn't they make a real rock n' roll record like Bill Haley or Buddy Holly instead of this pussyfield commercial tame stuff....

I can understand not liking the album, but saying "this isn't what the band claims to be about" is taking certain words a LITTLE too seriously.? I think some people feel like they're being promised a certain type of record (maybe one that doesn't lean towards the alternative side so much?), and won't accept anything else.

The album has hooks... the album has guitars... the album has drums... It's what the band claim to be about as far as I'm concerned.? Rock n' roll is a big umbrella.? So let's hear the definitions of Rock N' Roll and explanations why VR don't live up to it, because being upbeat or not being "mean" enough doesn't qualify in my opinion.

It is a rock and roll record.  It's just more roll than rock.

Ali

 :P   I personally feel there isn't enough roll in music these days!

Probably has to do with the rather hideous chorus.  And while it's one of the more aggressive songs on the album but the riff while loud and "heavier" than most on the album isn't very memorable, the song is noisy and more in your face than most of the album but isn't very likeable

What I meant was I feel the songs are more about the groove than rocking out hard.

Ali

I know, I wasn't challenging what you said.... I meant that I think that may be the reason why I'm enjoying the album so much.  There isn't enough bands that have the "roll" !

i want to hear something with rocking riffs like sucker train blues or slither not an entire album of beatles-esque chorus's with tame turned down riffs.

like i said, the solos are good thats it.

I have an advance copy...it's alright...nothing to special....maybe two or three tracks shine from it but that's it..don't spend your money on this one!

Thanks for the advice but I will!....

Sorry guys

Out side of a few songs this album is very average and I am someone who kept Contraband in the CD player for about 6 months straight.

No need to apologise. I can definately see how some people could really like one and not the other cause they're very different albums. I really think everything except sbqm, for a brother, and american man is GREAT. Those 3 I could do without.

"Let It Roll" 8/ 10
"She Mine" 6/ 10
"Get Out The Door" 9 /10
"She Builds Quick Machines" 6/ 10
"The Last Fight" 9/ 10
"Pills, Demons, Etc." 9/ 10
"American Man" 5/ 10
"Mary Mary" 6/ 10
"Just 16" 9/ 10
"Can't Get It Out Of My Head" 5/ 10
"For A Brother" 8/ 10
"Spay" 3/ 10
"Gravedancer" 8/ 10
"Don't Drop That Dime" 9/ 10
"Messages" 9/10

Spay sucks. They need to reprint this record and take spay off and put messages on!

actually agreed.

spay would have stuck on contraband better

Where did you hear Messages?

"Gas & A Dollar Laugh" sounds like a looser "Come On, Come In."  Its a solid track, but not sorely missed on the album.

I'd have traded SBQM, For A brother, and Cant Get It Out of My Head..... for Messages and Gas and a dollar laugh to make libertad, but ah what can ya do.

Didn't Scott say it would be more danceable??! :hihi:  I will say seeing them live twice in 4 days that it's true!  TEHO.

gas and $ laugh shoulda been on the album instead of the ELO cover cool song, it shits me these days with bonus tracks and wat not for ITUNES fuk ITUNES i wanna hear a CD in my car not on a IPOD which i dont even own

gas and a dollar laugh? it exists?

I got the 2 disk edition and i really like the cd..Only $22 for 2 cds is awesome..new cds in Aus are usually 30.. :peace:
I really LOVE Get out the door.Last fight,Just 16 and grave dancer...and like the other songs too..only after 2 listens..im very happy with it..sounds much Better than ALL the rock bands CDs out these days.. : ok:
I Like the Re Evolution vid on the CD..I enjoy seeing stuff with the band talking and stuff..
And the 2nd CD is 30 mins of i think 3 live vids with little clips of the band behind the scenes.. : ok:

so youd chuck the most decent tracks off lol!!!

after hearing "gas and a dollar laugh" and "messages" i hope that "wasted heart" and "motherfucka" also leaks in someway or at least get's released

I agree with where's izzy, those three tracks are only so-so to me.  I've noticed a lot of people with similiar feelings as well. 

I like Pills,Demons,Etc now


The album is slowly Growing.................... : ok:

Hey, just curious, are these songs on a different release of this album?

I think Libertad is great album. Definetely far better than Contraband!!

I simply love the song 'For a brother' I can't understand why others haven't picked this song out as a great song...?

Libertad is definetely great album..can't understand why some people doesn't see this album as good as I do..

Okay so wtf where are you getting these songs and how the fuck can I get them?

Record companies have proven they got some stiff ass suckers picking songs for albums.  3/4 of the album is WAY better than SBQM.  Fuckin' dorks with college degrees gettin' the jobs that ADD fuckers like me should get. I couldn't sit through high school let alone college to get a degree yet rock n' roll runs through my veins.

Rap didn't run rock into the ground......suits did.

I like this album. I love Let It Roll!!!! The best track. ^^

I'm lovin the new single. Can't wait to pick the album up Tuesday.  : ok:

Bad move on VR's part to release three of the songs on i-tunes or on imports.

Not cool guys!  :rant:

To me the big draw card for VR is Slash, and on many tracks it's hard to make him out or it just doesn't sound as punchy as I would like it to sound. And Libertad has some very bland moments, which even if Contraband did, at least the guitars still punched you in the face with their delivery. On Libertad they don't.

As for the song For A Brother, it's a bland riff, bland vocal melody, and an ok solo. That's what I hear listening to it, which is just my opinion. If you like it I'm happy for you, but I don't like it at all.

I didnt think much of the riff on first listen, but it slowly became ingrained in my head and has been there for days.  I think the breakdown is one of Libertads very best moments.

Just had my first listen. For the first few tracks I thought it was turning out to be one of the worst albums I've ever bought, then with my expectations lowered like a whore's panties, I started to detect - get this - one or two moments of listenable music around the middle of the album. Then Can't Get It Out Of My Head started and sent the album back in to crap overload again.

Slash's solos sound tagged on to a lot of the songs, and they're not always particularly good, so perhaps they shouldn't have bothered. Scott Weiland sounds bored. Matt Sorum often sounds strangely like Steven Adler (cow bells, cow bells, and more cow bells). The production sounds flat.

Credit where its due, though. Even after one listen, despite my huge disappointment, it does at least include one or two songs which are worthy of the live show. Literally one or two.

First impression: 1/5

Just bought it today. After 3 listens..

"Let It Roll" 9/ 10-My only problem is the vocals seem a little on the weak side.

"She Mine" 10/ 10-LOVE this song. Catchy as fuck.

"Get Out The Door" 10 /10-Again catchy as fuck and an amazing Slash solo.

"She Builds Quick Machines" 9/ 10-A grower. Hated it at first but it really is one of the best on the album.

"The Last Fight" 8/ 10-Bit too 'Beatle-esque' for my liking but still a good song.

"Pills, Demons, Etc." 7/ 10-catchy chorus, great guitarwork from Slash, but nothing special.

"American Man" 7/ 10-Again catchy..but passable.

"Mary Mary" 7/ 10-I like the groove in it, but am I the only one who can't hear a word Scott is saying?

"Just 16" 10/ 10-Love it. Should have raised Slash's mic on the 'just sixteen!' part though.

"Can't Get It Out Of My Head" 9/ 10-Dont understand the hate on this song. Good cover and Slash takes it to a whole new level.

"For A Brother" 8/ 10-Good song if not amazing.

"Spay" 6/ 10-The only real downfall of the album..Not bad but I skip it usually now.

"Gravedancer" 9/ 10-Great song. Better than 'Last Fight' IMO.

"Don't Drop That Dime" 4/ 10-NO! NOT COUNTRY! YEE-HAA!...Oh dear..

"Messages" 9/10-Great song. Should've made it onto the album.
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OVERALL: 8/10- Great album. VR are in top form as always!

Anyone think "American Man" in particular has a 70s flavor to it?

Definetly but the cheesy 70's flavor thats why i hated it at first but after a bunch of listens it is a very solid track actually one of the best  on the cd

Has anybody heard any of the songs on the radio? I know She builds... is the first single, but in Los Angeles, Krock is saying nothing about it.

so does most cb haters or people on the fence like libertad better? or is it the otherway around..? I'm liking the new stuff a bit better, seems to have more depth..

American man, pill demons etc, get out the door(talking guitar) :beer: Good guitars bass drukms n vocals on these tunes

Just bought it and listened to it. She Mine, SBQM and Last Fight are the standouts for me.

The 'making of' video was cool to. "A blurse..." :hihi:

Title: Libertad, Spanish translation?  Freedom.  Freedom from GNR and STP if you ask me. 

This song is pure Rock N Roll.  Weiland's vocals and lyrics are much improved on the bands second release.  Only downfall is Itunes has two songs not in the Istore version.  Psycho Killer and the song Messages (about the men on Flight 93 calling their wives to say good bye).  Those two songs maybe the two best.  Psycho Killer of course is a cover of the Talking Heads hit song.

On to the album, everyone is on their A game.  Duff, Matt, Dave all do a really solid job.  Weiland and Slash, they really seem to beable to coexist on this album.  This album is not as "heavy" as Contraband, but much better songs.  The production is awesome.  You can actually hear two guitars and background vocals.

Let It Roll - A great way to open the album.  Rocks.  I notice Slash using Standard tuning some.  Something he never used to do.  Gets nasal sound from his wah, and I like it. Good intro riff, good verse.  Catchy aggressive song.  Nice.  Nice Slash solo. 

She Mine - Matt's Drums set tone for this.  Got a great groove.  Again, Catchy corus by Weiland.  Nice song, not their best, but good and a different direction.  Weiland's voice changes so much, this song suits his range.

Get Out The Door - A Song Dave Kushner wrote.  It rocks.  Weiland changes his voice yet again.  Great lyrics.  Nice Talkbox solo by Slash.  Perfect production.  Nice guitar effects by Dave.  Nice Cowbell Sorum.

She Builds Quick Machines - The First single of the album. Very Contraband esque, Slither feel to it.  Love the time changes.  Love the Bridge leading up to a nasty dirty Slash solo.  A decent song, it rocks.  Not Weilands best lyrics.

The Last Fight - This will be the Second single off the album.  Should be a huge hit.  Sounds like a Jimmi Hendrix type intro.  And I like it.  Kind of Beatlesesque sounding in a way.  Weilands vocals and lyrics are so strong here.  Slash is playing a Gretsch guitar.  Nice tone.  Nice solos.  Very catchy song like Interstate Love Song by STP is.  Slash leaves you wanting more though.  Again, not a bad thing.

Pills, Demons, Etc. - Man, nice wah intro, but when the band kicks in it gets cool.  Good rock song. Solid.  Nice Chorus.  The solo is so bright and raw at times.  Typical Slash solo.

American Man - This song has grown on me a lot.  Its got a 70's type vibe to it.  Again, another voice change by Weiland.  Nice bass by Duff.  Pretty good song. "Yes I am an American Man", cool song.  Killer Slash solo.  GNR esque. But leaves me wanting more!!!!  Slash's solos are always different, he does great on this album.

Mary Mary - Catchy as hell!  Matt Sorum, great drumming again.  Nice build up while Weiland sets the stage.  His voice is so much stronger on this album.  Almost like a monkey's or Stones type song with a modern heavier feel to it. Then, it just all out rocks, then back to nice verse.  Musically, all these songs are very good.  Nice, cool Slash solo.  Nice tone. 

Just Sixteen - A song about a highschool kid fucking his teacher. Kick ass Chuck Berry type song.  Fucking rocks with two nice Slash solos.  Matt's drumming nice here too!  Kushner really impresses me on this album.  Slash tearing it up.  Duff is the perfect role playing Bass Player.

Can't Get It Out of My Head - Cover by ELO.  Much different than original.  Slash's Beautiful wah solos save it!  Weiland actually does this really nice too!

For a Brother - Intro bland, but don't dare turn it off.  Weiland's vox are interesting and punk sounding, then the chorus kicks in and this song kicks ass.  Weiland is very good on this song!  Its for Weiland and Sorum's brothers that died during the making of this album.

Spay - If you like Double Talking Jive and Bad Obsession from GNR you will probably love this song.  Scott sounds just like Kurt Cobain!! I mean exactly!!!  Good hard rocking song.  Love Duff's tone.  Like Slash's slide too!

Gravedancer - Slow ballad, trippy lyrics.  Song starts off like Fall to Pieces, but a great song.  Lots of cool instruments on this album.  Scott has a nice voice here.  Lots of cool stuff going on musically.  Perfect mix.  Brendan O'Brien did great on this album.  Slash has two solo's here.  The outro wah solo is freaking bad ass. Love all the wah on this album.

Don't Drop that Dime - Secret song at end of Gravedancer, total Stones Country.  Great if you like that Dead Roses Rolling Stones type thing.  I love it.  Really cool lil solo by Slash.

Messages - Song of the year, Song of the decade.  Slash's best work in VR.  VR's very best song ever.  This song will melt your heart and make you want to cry.  The whole band is so tight.  Again, standard tuning I think.  Different chords that GNR would never play.  Really beautiful song.  Touching.  Deep.  All those words.  It makes you think about being on that plane calling your wife, so emotional. I couldn't imagine.  I mean Scott and Slash are so special here!  Slash't tone is like estranged but with a wah.  So milky smooth.  He is on fire here.  Its is freaking so heavy and beautiful.  Best song ever by VR.

Psycho Killer - Killer fucking cover.  So heavy compared to original.  Weiland in zone.  Slash on slide.  Blows original out of water!!!!!!  This is Weiland's perfect vocal range. 

Gas and a Dollar Laugh - Kick ass tune from Japanese Import.   slash's solo not as good as rest, but great rock song and everyone is a team on this one, like Messages.  For the good of the song.

Overall, buy this album, listen to this album.  Its a good one.  I would def go to itunes get the bonus songs.  There are 2 versions in the store.  One has a DVD with concert footage.  Get it, its $5 more.  Worth it.  This is a real band and not an experiment anymore.  I am proud of them for what they have done.  They are on tour with Alice in Chains this summer.  Catch them while you can. That should be a hell of a show!!!

Smoking Guns

I just did this review for a guitar player site.  So I know ya'll most of that, but whatever.  Love the album.

I noticed the production is less layered and more like how VR sounds live. Personally I like it better than Contraband which sounds a little muddy. On Libertad the overall tones change more song to song than on Contraband, which sounded the same from beginning to end.

wow let it roll is awesome live, from washington,.,The group sounds fucking amazing..

I really love the song.. I believe it was from msn, washington 2007.. Damn studio quality, but live..

after my first few listens im afraid to say im a bit disapointed, i think it sounds too "clean" and is a bit overproduced

hopefully it will grow on me

Great review Smoking Guns.? This album is growing on me with every listen.? It is so diverse.? There's lots of rock, melody, soul and some funk to this record.

Are messages, Psycho Killer and Gas and a dollar laugh sold separetly on itunes?? I can't check from this computer.

I have a mac at home.? Just got it.? If I buy single tracks off of itunes, can I still burn the songs to a cd to add to Libertad?

Anybody??

I held out on DLing the leaks and went and bought the record today.

The Last Fight is fucking awesome....... best VR ballad with YGNR and Messages.

this album is much better than Contraband but still kind of a dissapointment.....

i'm gonna listen to the album more and ill be back to talk about it more.

Just bought Libertad today. I've listened to the album a couple of times. I wasn't the biggest fan of Contraband. CB was alright, nothing special, had a few good songs, but that's it. I was hoping to see VR come from some new directions on this album and blow CB away, but that just didn't happen. Instead Libertad is just a rehash of Contraband.

Libertad, like Contraband is an alright album, nothing special, or mind blowing, but it's worth a listen.  VR still struggles with writing lyrics with some depth to them. I felt that Weiland's vocals were buried in most of the songs. Most of the songs were actually boderline "boring".

My favorite songs off of Libertad: Pills Demons Etc, Gravedancer, and the secret song.

I love the secret song, just because it was refreshing to hear VR coming from a new direction for a change.
 

I don't think you can burn from Itunes. I may be wrong. But you can get messages and psycho killer Casey!  Gas and a Dollar, someone here can get it to you.  Cool song.

I noticed in the car, or in a loud home stereo, this shit goes to another level.  The computer does not do it justice, nor show you the texture of the sounds in the proper light.

THe album kicks fucking ass. Has to be heard with the stereo turned way up so you can rock the fuck out .

Album is getting really good since Ive been listening in my car.



I still dont know what the fuck u guys are talkin about with "Mary Mary" I think the song and hooks are very average.



After A week:

Let It Roll 8.5 out of 10
She Mine *was like a 4 out of 10* now its an 8 out of 10
Get Out The Door  8.5 out of 10
She Builds Quick Machines 8.5 out of 10
The Last Fight  8 out of 10
Pills Demons Etc 8 out of 10
American Man 7 out of 10
Mary Mary 6 out of 10
Just Sixteen 6 out of 10
Cant Get it out of my Head 7.5 out of 10
For A Brother  6 out of 10
Spay 3 out of 10
Gravedancer 7.5 out of 10
Don't Drop that Dime 9 out of 10
Gas and A Dollar Laugh 6 out of 10
Messages  10 out of 10

Hardly freedom from STP. The majority of the songs are based around old STP tropes.

Regardless, Libertad has grown on me since my 1/5 first impression, though. It's gone all the way up to 3/5 after a couple of days  : ok:

I see matt thanks scott weiland, I thought that was cool, they;ve become good friends with Camp Freddy and all.. Sounds like the band really put shit behind them..

Got the album today and I'm on my second listen right now and already love it!
Favorites so far Get out the door, Last fight, Pills, Demons.. , Just sixteen, Spay and Gravedancer.

this record is alot of fun. i love pretty much every song. i still feel like they could do better, but this is more of what i felt Contraband should've sounded like. it feels more like a band.

i agree with the person who said Scott's lyrics have become boring. i feel the same way for the most part. his lyrics with STP were much more interesting..

i also agree with the person who said there aren't many "go slash!!" moments where u are just wowed. i still seems like Slash is not being fully utilized in these songs.

Hopefully "shit" stays behind them long enough to get another album out... I think this is a great CD, but I think the best stuff is still ahead if they can hold it together.

I bought the album finally......So far I'd give it a 6/10 on a whole (which isn't bad). ?It retains some of the boring elements of Contraband, but also has a few good tunes that hold their own. ?The Last Fight, Gravedancer and Let It Roll are decent tunes. ?I still can't fathom She Builds Quick Machines....I do like the cover though, they pulled it off quite well. ?I think Messages deserved to be on the album for the most part....it would have added a nice touch to the end. ?Not bad though.

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U bought it finally?

It just came out yesterday :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

I wasn't one of the "downloading motherfuckers"!!!!? Only the B-sides!? I waited like a proper little Englishman!? Tally ho for buying CDs! :peace:

To edit, the more I listen to it...I really enjoy the chorus of Pills, Demons & etc.  Half of this album is really good, half is pretty bland.  Better than Contraband though.

I listened to the album about 6 or 7 times and it isn't near Contraband for me.  The second half of the album almost, ALMOST has a "poppish" feel to it. Some of these songs are a lot lighter than I thought they would be, and certainly lighter when compared to Contraband as a whole. It's not a bad album, but its not that great in my eyes either.

Libertad is growing on me, is a really cool album, I certainly dont know, what people/media is expecting from VR, i mean is a great album, great production, Lyrics are weak, but hell, is just a R&R album. if you want to listen to a great, deep lyrics,  "perfect" album, go listen Dark side of the moon.

I agree about slash.. For some reason this just seems like flowing songs where that monster solo doesn't fit in.... Seems like you're not going to get the kind of guitar rock that was instrumental to gn'r success with vr.. They just play and move quickly..

I think they can do better but I don't know if it's what they want solo wise.. It's like the sopranos, we always wanted killing and the mafia, david chase wanted other things..

ok, first thing is first, what a nice little country song VR put at the end of the last song, the whole album is great, american man, and grave dancer are my favorites so far

You guys like it better than Contraband?

^^ yes!

yea its a definately better than contraband

but i definately think gas and a laugh and messages should of been on the album.  If they would of put in those 2 songs in place of spay and for a brother, i think the album would of been a lot better.

my guess is that the record company had something to do with those songs not being on the album, and just being itunes exclusive

No, Contraband rocked so much harder and has better songs overall I feel.

That said, Libertad does have some moments too - Let It Roll, Last Fight, Just 16 are all great songs. But there is a lot of bland stuff I hear too.

In my humble opinion, both Contraband and Libertad have got only one good song; Contraband had Loving the Alien, and Libertad The Last Fight. The rest of the album is alright, but very forgettable.

I drove 3 and a half hours from Chattanooga to Kentucky last night and listenened to the album several times through and it has definitely improved

Updated rankings;


LEt It Roll 8.5 out of 10
She Mine 8.5 out of 10
Get out The Door 8.5 out of 10
She Builds Quick Machines 8.5 out of 10
The Last Fight 8 out of 10 * I think this song is very overrated
Pills Demons Etc  8 out of 10
American Man 8 out of 10 *this one has definitely grown on me and now i like it a lot
Mary Mary 7.5 out of 10 *I really like most of this, Scott's vocals during the chorus are a little too whiny for my taste but overall good song*
JUst Sixteen  6 out of 10 Dont like the subject matter or lyrics, I think the lyrics suck big time
Cant Get it Out Of My head *8 out of 10* Nice Cover
For A Brother 6 out of 10 *Getting better, still not great
Spay 6 out of 10 Also improving, NOt a huge fan yet but at least I can listen to it
GraveDancer 7.5 out of 10  like the verses and chorus but the bridge isnt too good and the intro is just too close to fall to pieces.
Dont Drop that Dime 9 out of 10  Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!
Messages 10 out of 10  Amazing song



overall the album has went from a horrible album to an average album to now being a very good album.

Much like Contraband it takes listening at high volume and concentrating on it to really get it and like it but once u do its really good.

well with that logic you could force yourself into liking anything.

really kickass music shouldn't need that much convincing.

^
Yeah I do agree u shouldnt have to basically force yourself to like something but sometimes it seems some albums take a little listening to fully digest.


WIth me, Usually if I like an album right away, It doesnt take long for me to burn out on it whereas if it takes me a bunch of listens to like it, I usually love it forever.

If the album, is a different style or particulary new genre of music than I am normally accustom to, it usually takes me a little longer to fall in love with the record.  Libertad, unlike contraband, was an instant hit for me.

It's pretty good, it takes a while for me to like an album, I don't think I will like it as much as Contraband-to me contraband sounded a little more heavy-but it's not bad

Got it today, listened to it in pieces, then twice all the way thru- it took that much for it to soak in.  It is really good,  seems like there's more Slash on this one and the whole sound of each member fits together better than Contraband.

i bought it on tuesday while on vacation. listened to it and instantly like it ALOT. loved the first 5 songs, and enjoyed most of the rest.

after reading alot of mixed reviews in this thread, i waited to post my opinion. i thought that maybe i enjoyed it so much because, well, most things sound good while enjoying perfect weather on vacation.

gave it a few more listens, and then listened closely while driving home this morning. and still, i think this is a great album. my favorites at this point are let it roll, she mine, and last fight.

 

What's this "A Gas & A Dollar Laugh" song that  everyone's mentioning? Where can I get that? It isn't on Itunes... just bought "Messages" from there, it's a cool song, should've been on the album.

Its on the Japanese import.

From the sound of things, these B-sides might end up on another EP later in the year.

Yea Id expect it even sooner if things continue the way they are regarding album sales.

What's up dawg.. You know I seriously doubt they expected great album sales.. I mean honestly I knew jack shit about this release date .. There was no push besides some clubbish tour... It shows not even half the people that go to live shows buy the albums (well depending on the group)

I knew nothing and I was just being a casual fan for a time being.. Even if they did release b sides or whatever plus the album how much could it sell..?

ive bought this album at the weekend.  My honest opinion?

The album is shit.

Really poor compared to Contraband.  The songs are too similar, the songs sound like they are stuck in the 80's and the band have not grown musically over the time from the last album/.  All in all I am dissapointed.  There are a few nice touches/bits to the album but in general, I am not a fan of the album.  Which is a shame as I have seen them live a few times and enjoyed the first album.

This album gets more incredible with every listen.  Each song has it's own life.  Not one of them sounds similar to another. 


With that, I think they should rethink making The Last Fight the next single.


Make Get Out The Door the second single for the "fun" summer months then bring out the more moody song (TLF) for the fall.

It took a bit, starting to like it-still like Contraband better I think-BTW it's officially coming in at no. 5 on billboard with 93,000 units sold

Libertad required a few listens before I could get into it.  Now I can't get For a Brother out of my head.  It is a great song.

I really love the last fight, great tune.. I love messages thoug, so amazing, shame it's not on there, that would be an amazing single..

Same happened to me.

I feel sorry for you having such a bland song stuck in your head... :hihi:

I feel sorry that you have keep making the same point over and over again.

"Mary Mary" is on repeat for me, I really dig the vox and fuzzed out Slash solo.

My favorite tune so far.

I am finding myself really digging "American Man"

Right now the songs I can't stop singing are Grave Dancer and Dont Drop That Dime.

Surely I am entitled to say the song is bland as much people are allowed to state that they think it's great? ::)


I'm a big fan of VR, Contraband, and a few songs on Libertad, but For A Brother just sounds bland to me.

Not that it's funny but I've had the album a week and still don't know all the song names by heart, I usually only get to listen in the car so I never have the cd casing in my hands :hihi: When a street light comes along I am checking out the spiral writing then I hear a HONK.. ;D

SOmeone mentioned American Man, I really like that song as well.. I just need time between work the family and the gym to really sit down and read the booklet and go song by song..  I think Let it ROll is an awesome album opener, fast good guitar, love the vocals..//

Track 7 "American Man"

I cant get this song out of my head, seriously, slash's solo at the end has been on 'repeat' in my head since Saturday.
Its driving me insane.

It took a couple of listens for me, but I think the album is strong.   It's definitely a different sound.  10X better than Contaband. 

I liked it a lot  from the start, not like Contraband which I grew  to appreciate  only after seeing them live.

On the regular  album, I would not end with Gravedancer, however. You don't want to end with a mellow song.

Itunes  has  a "deluxe" version  with Psycho Killer  and other bonus tracks for $11.99 for the entire album. Considering that I paid $14.99 for the regular  edition, that is a  bargain.

I  wonder, though, about two cover  tunes on one album. Can't get it out  of my head and Psycho Killer. Can't  remember who did  the first tune though. Jeff Lynne wrote it, but which band performed it?
Anyone help me out?

Can't Get It Out of My Head is by ELO
Psycho Killer is by Talking Heads

Thanks!

Knew about Psycho Killer, but not  about ELO. wow, that is a blast from the past!!

I really think the "Flow" of the album I have heard people referance would have been fine if after "Gravedancer' you had "Don't drop That Dime", "Psycho Killer", "Messages", and "Gas and a $ Laugh". Thats how I have it on my ipod and I usually let it play through and it sounds great.

I admit I've been ripping on Libertad a fair bit since it came out, and it hasn't been in my cd player since a few days after I bought it, because I was pretty disappointed and had no desire to listen to it.

But this morning I had a bit of a listen on the way to work, and while I still don't think it's that great, it's certainly not as bad as I originally thought it was. Even songs like Pills and American Man seem to have grown on me a bit too.

Just bought Libertad (unfortunatley i couldnt buy it the first week, sorry for the -1 album sales VR!)  Of course this is only my first day listening to it but I sortof like the more hard rocking sound Contraband had.  Maybe my opinion will change but that doesn't mean I don't like the album.  9/10 Libertad gets from me!  Favorite song: Let It Roll

As much as it pains me to say it Libertad is a very weak album. I can't believe that I am reading people saying that it is amazing etc. VR have definetly fell way short on this one and it seems that they have nothing left. I reckon we will see one more album but only because they will be bounded by the contract. They should just cut their losses and not waste anymore time on another sub standard album. Listen to American man and pills demons etc, come on I can't even listen to these songs because they actually make me laugh from how bad they are. I'm a GnR and VR fan and this is straight from the heart.

I'm LOVING this album. Definitely one of the best albums I've heard in years. It's just so much easier to get into than Contraband (and that was one hell of a good record) and it flows so well from start to finish. My only gripe with it is 'Dont Drop That Dime'-just can't get into that. WAY too over the top country for me.

One of the best rock records of the the last ten years.  :beer:

best album since Stadium Arcadium IMO!

I absolutely agree.

This album is amazing.

It took me about 6 listens, but Damn its great!!!!

Wow, really...? You changed you mind that much about it?

I think there's a couple of good songs on there, but overall I'm still not very impressed.

Bought "deluxe edition" off  itunes....

Love the extra tracks, especially Psycho Killer (as an old Talking Heads fan).

But the video  of SBQM--don't like it  at all. Really stupid. I mean, Scott as a cowboy  shooting up the bad guys as Slash plays  guitar? Give  me a break. What a stupid concept.

Great others have also got into this song..

I was perhaps one of the first people on this forum saing don't anyone like this song 'cause I thought it was very good rocker!  :)

Eh, I think it's the worst song on the album. Always skip it.

I did not expect to enjoy Libertad as much as I do.  I thought Contraband was overrated and could never get into much of the album other than a few songs.  Libertad is leaps and bounds superior.  Weiland sounds great and I have to agree that this is his best work since Tiny Music. 

I'm still trying to work out what other people are hearing on Libertad that I can't hear, to say such things... ???


I think Contraband is leaps and bounds superior to Libertad.

i seem to have gotten into contraband way more than Libertad. i can only get into 3/4 of the tracks where contraband i loved everything/

i only listened to libertad via i tunes... so i got 30 seconds of every song... based on that...well the record does nothing for me. glad its not a gnr record (imagine slash had the rights for gnr)... would be a shame, wouldn't it?

Let It Roll and Can't Get It Out Of My Head.  pretty decent songs.   The rest of it I could never hear again and hope I dont have to.  :rofl:

That's the thing with Libertad, it feels like Slash isn't there allot of the time, and I have a hard time making him out on some tracks. I have a feeling Libertad is more of a Scott album than a Slash album.

It's hardly suprising that Slash doesn't seem to be there - didn't he say that he's been addicted to a form of opiate over the past year.....

I agree....I don't get all the praise for Libertad.  I thought Contraband was average at best and I think Libertad is much worse.   

Now if people are rating Libertad a 9/10 compared to Contraband...o.k., maybe that is someone's honest opinion.  If people are rating Libertad a 9/10 verses music in general (i.e. Appetite), then there are some mental patients on this board.   

No, he said before recording the album he had a small drug problem that arose but was taken care of after a stint in rehab.

nah drugs dont hurt slash's ability to write good songs.   i don't know what the deal is.

yeah now that i think about it he was supose to have been pretty messed up durring the Use Your Illusion era and he had no problem playing and writing amazing stuff.

Like a lot of albums I think there are some really good songs and some I didn't care for.. I love straight up rockers like let it roll and she builds, also other like the last fight.. 

I can clearly see vr is not a guitar rock band like gnr was (well that's obvious) and the way snakepit was.. I think when slash is in a group he isn't in control of he doesn't play as long as he would in other previous ones.. I think VR might be a band that isn't supposed to have a mega star that stands out above the rest of the group.. It seems like it's supposed to be spread around more evenly with egos set aside

Problem is if you liked someone like eric clapton from his cream days you wouldn't like his role in a band like vr.. I miss the double solos n big intros slash use to do when he had more control..

I really think vr is the definition of a band as far as the spotlight goes..

I enjoy libertad but I would like to see more then what they did.. I enjoyed COntraband more..

When I rate albums or movies, I dont do it in comparison to other albums.


I mean if Estranged is a 10 then no song on Libertad would rank above a 6

but I dont rank songs and albums,movies etc that way.

I do it completely independen t of other things I've seen.

So if I give Libertad a 9 out of 10,t hat isnt in comparison to appetite or other all time great albums.

I am going to say I like libertada lot more, the more I have been able to actually listen without interupton..  I think it's a very solid album with ..Anything with at least 8 good songs is a really good album, Not many can be AFD, well none can..

Can you rank something versus itself???  In that case out of all the Libertads I've listened to...I'd rate Libertad a solid 10/10.  Libertad is definitely the perfect Libertad. 

Now ranking it against say, Appetite as a perfect 10, Use Your Illusions as an 8.5, Contraband a 6.5 and William Hung's Album of cover songs a 0, I'd say Libertad is about a 5.5.

For a brother is the weakest song on the album in my opinion, that, and American Man, and spay. Just boring arrangments

I am actually quite stoked by the Libertad album.

As I read other posts dismissing Libertad, especially those that prefer Axl's unreleased tracks, I am reminded of this quote:

It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt? April 23, 1910

Not that you can't criticize VR, but it rings hallow when you are supporting a man that isn't actually playing the game. I support the doers, not the sayers. GET IN THE RING, AXL! Right now (and looking back 15 years) it looks like Axl has been playing the part of a cold, timid soul.

Cold, timid soul?  I think you're grossly oversimplifying things as if it is solely Axl's doing with regards to the album not being released yet.  Furthermore, the story hasn't been finished yet.  The album will come out and at that point Axl will not be able to be labeled a cold, timid soul.

Ali

I really don't believe that releasing the album could vindicate him at this point.  Axl has been resting on his laurels for far too long. 

Resting on his laurels and Axl do not belong in the same sentence.

I really don't believe Axl needs to vindicate himself.  He hasn't done anything wrong that requires vindication.  In the end, when the record comes out, no one can accuse him of "hiding" or any shit like that. 

Ali

downloaded libertad now... not bad... but also nothing special. the conservative rock songs (e.g. let it roll) kinda bore me... sadly slash's solos are somewhat uninspired throughout the whole record.

Cranked up Libertad this morning when getting ready for work on home stereo.  Man, this album fucking rocks.  Its good to listen start to finish.

At first Let it Roll just seemed decent, but now I love it.  It fucking rocks, and Slash has a really good dirty solo on it.

I think it's a great album, it has fast slow up down beats.. It has a little bit of something for everyone..  I actually think scott has a beautiful voice for his range/style the way axl has for his..

meh it sounds more like a STP album, good guitar work is basically non existent and yet everyone says it's good, well we still have United Abominations

How can you say "can't get u out of my head" is not great guitar work.  That is vintage Slash there.

I like the Guitars on The Last Fight as well.

1 song out of the whole album  ::)

A horrible album.

After a few weeks I dont think its aged well.

I skip Pills Demon etc, The vocals sound like some teen angst band. I can imagine 14 year old really digging that song and liking the 'F**K' that is added very crudely in one verse.

The biggest problem for me was that the Melody and the Tyranny EP had the best tracks from Libertad on it already....

IMO all of STP's albums are better (except maybe the last one), so its not quite worthy.

So whats everyones say top 5 fav songs off the album

Mine would be:

1.Just 16
2.Pills,Demons,Etc
3.Let It Roll
4.For A Brother
5.Get Out The Door

and Dont Drop That Dime is also awesome

I prefer contraband...

I don't, Libertad is a more varied and catchy album.

since i've read that so many people here loves interstate love song and VR played it last night i figured i should give it a listen.. and i must say, some melodies are very similar to some melodies in "the last fight"

yeah , the contraband is bette, because this album it does not have feeling.   :crying:

any updated slaes numbers?

Think the numbers come in tomorrow, with official stats being finalized on Tuesday from Soundscan.

I was in my local HMV yesterday (in Australia) and Libertad was down to the number 32 spot on the wall.

It will be interesting to see if the sales pick up after they release the second single next week.

Great album. Pure rock'n'roll !

has anyone found the numbers yet?

#61: Velvet Revolver, Libertad
This Week: 10,444
Cume: 192,840

http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=2025#more-2025

damn, still hasnt broke 250 k

no way in hell is this one gonna sell 1,000,000 copies.

how you like that scottie boy?  ;D   he cursed himself.

I bet Nick Lachey (spelling ? na, nevermind, who gives a fuck about that punk's name ;D) has sold more albums than VR.

Now Scott, sure you'll think twice before opening your big mouth.

This is a total flop :hihi:

Total : 192,840 ... :rofl: Bon Jovi sold almost 300,000 copies of Lost Highway in a week

How long is Libertad being released now ? A month and a little more ?

hi

In my opinion album is amazing, doesn't matter if it sells millions copies or not. Every song is killer there are no fillers in this album : ok:

Can't wayt to see 2nd video

Today did lister Contraband 1st time for several months whole album I mean n it also still and always kicks some ass.

 :peace:
donaltduck313

only the hardcore VR fans seem to feel this way.   This one isn't catching on with the general public.  but thats cool you are into it.  I wish i was that into it.   Let it Roll is a cool song.

The only song I like is Get Out The Door. But the talk-box solo just sucks.

On Bon Jovi's Lost Highway there's that We Got It Going On song with a killer talk-box solo on it. I mean a real long & fast one.

Anyway, Libertad just doesn't work for me :no:

This album just keeps growing on me, I mean like 90 percent of albums there's one or two songs I don't really fancy like spray and the bonus thingy after gravedancer, but so far the two single chosen rule, tlf is great, mary mary, etc.. Opening song let it roll to the closer is awesome..

i don't remember when i last listend to it :-\

Libertad is one of the GREATEST workout albums ever.

I was lifting weights, doing abs and then running to it yesterday and it kept me FIRED up the entire time.


I use to hate "Spay" bu t that fuckin shit ROCKS HARD now. : ok:

I have noticed the same thing!  Even when not paying a lot of attention, it still rocks in the background.  The louder the better.

Good suggestion, I used to workout to AFD, and occasionally Van Halen, but I'll give Libertad a try.  Maybe they can market it as the best workout music!

Let It Roll really gets the adrenaline rushing.

Every best buy ive been in has had like a million of the 22 dollar deluxe version and like none of the regular version of the disc

Just given this disc a spin.  I think it's pretty good, but can't give it any higher praise than that really.  Just too basic for my tastes.  Cantraband was slightly more 'diverse' I thought, although the production was totally cack.

I was hoping for more from this, and I still prefer Snakepit!

7/10

You might also want to try the Rocky IV soundtrack!  :peace:

It's been out almost 2 months now, came out July 3rd.

Has anyone every thought maybe the band doesn't really care about record sales at this point ,they just want to create music that please them?

dude, they may they say that.  but you know as well as I do that when you create something new you want to TOP what you did before.   Now they are smart in realizing they will never top AFD, but if you don't think they were hoping to do better than Contraband, you are nuts.

I'm sure they are happy to make music that pleases them but they can't possibly be pleased with how poorly this album has sold.  By all accounts they were real proud of the album, standing up for it even after Rick Rubin basically told them it wasn't good enough.  It's one thing if a Scott Weiland or Duff solo project, or Slash's Snakepit album doesn't sell well.  Those are side projects.  But when you get 3 key members of a legendary band and a lead singer from a very popular 90's grunge band and you can't entice the public that's got to do a number on your ego.

If platinum is 1,000,000 and Gold is 500,000... ?What is 200,000? ?Bronze?

More like tin. ;D. Below 500,000 doesn't count.

I wonder if the poor sales will make Axl more confident about releasing CD.

He probably doesn't think about it that much...

Thats a point I was getting too , people on this forum say how Axl doesn't care about record sales , he does what makes him happy etc... Im sure the VR members are the same way.

Different franchise altogether.

I don't think anyone's said Axl doesn't care about album sales.  First and foremost it's important to do things that make you happy in every facet of life.  For a musician that's making music, but most musicians want to get the recognition for their hard work.  I don't think Axl is an elitist who doesn't care if people buy his albums, those people are few and far between.

No, I meant he probably doesn't think much about the so called 'big competition' that is supposed to exist between him and VR? ::)

Yeah, who knows, really?... but this is exactly the type of comment made by a fan when the album sells poorly.  If it had been successful it would be backed up by "look at how well it has sold!"... and of course the non-fans are saying "of course album sales are important to them, they must be disappointed".... while if the album sold well they would be saying "who cares if they sell a lot?  Britney Spears sold a lot of records, does that mean her music is quality?".

So, I guess all that really matters is whether or not you're personally digging the record.  As for Axl, why would he feel more confident after witnessing how dead the public's desire for rock music is?   ;D

I think any band would love to sell a lot of records, but in the end, all they can control is the record they make.  I hope that Velvet Revolver and GN'R realize that.

Ali

VELVET REVOLVER, FEAST OF LOVE IN NEWS NOTES

Velvet Revolver, who is currently on tour in support of its latest album, Libertad, will hit the stage for a fund raising event at the Fine Line Music Caf?, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Wednesday (August 28) after their scheduled show at the Xcel Energy Center. The benefit will be held in honor of drummer Matt Sorum?s late brother, Daniel, who passed away earlier this year at age 11 from brain stem cancer. Proceeds from the event will go to the Daniel J. Sorum Memorial Scholarship Fund, which will benefit students at the school he attended, The Willmar Community Christian School. Doors for the benefit open at 11:30 p.m. Tickets for the event, which will include a silent auction, will be sold for $100 at the door and next to the band?s merchandise booth at the Xcel show?

In other Velvet Revolver news, the band is offering the exclusive track ?Gas & A Dollar Laugh? through Zune Marketplace, and will be the next ?On The Road? artist supported by Zune. The band, which is currently on the road, is traveling in a customized Zune ?On the Road? tour bus?

http://www.groovevolt.com/Newswires/newswire.asp?ID=2523

Would like to hear that song..

i just watched the last fight video and feel a wave of awakening

1. no matter your opinion, these guys are OUT THERE, opening themselves up for criticism...and releasing albums/videos. what other REAL rock is out there? its so easy to hide.                                         :-X

2. after listening more to the album while driving thru america this summer, i realize it does have some legit tracks. Last Fight is actually a really cool Slash riff, backing vox kick ass in outro, cool solo....video was alright i guess, they need some work there...but again, AT LEAST they are out there doing it. its so easy to hide.

3. scott writes pretty well and there are some cool moments on the album

4. they have their own name and are doing their own thing. its so easy to hide.                                  :-X                      :yes:

i give these guys credit for writing another good rock album and touring...and releasing/opening themselves up. i guess it takes guts, otherwise everyone would be doing it. its so easy to hide.







disclaimer: huge Axl and nu GnR fan

Well I didn't see that one comming? :hihi:,? I'm actually pretty suprised to read a post like this coming from someone like you...

theres plenty of better and newer rock acts out there.

VR'S new albums a pile.

you're entitled to your own opinion...and while i dont think its a classic by any stretch, its an ok to good rock album. i remember the days when artists released shitty albums with one or two good songs on them. this album isnt great, its good.

but more of my point was THEY RELEASED AN ALBUM. there will always be teenagers and 20s bands out there releasing albums...i know, i did it....but these guys are in a different place. im just saying, you gotta give them credit for writing, releasing, touring, and doing videos.









its so easy to hide. im really starting to get frustrated with this wait, i dont understand what could possibly be wrong this time....it really wears on your patience.