Saddam sentanced to Death

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None have died here since due to Iraq.

sadly enough, george bush has killed more americans in iraq than were killed during 911 

and he still can't tell us why we're there.

how can americans get so angry at saddam when bush does the same fucking thing to his people?

American serviceman exist to defend American people.  They are defending us by keeping the terrorist at bay in Iraq and not in our cities.  Do I want to take a bullet for an Iraqi, fuck no.  But I'll gladly do my service in Iraq to make sure they don't come over here.

Dude, IRAQ HAD FUCK ALL TO DO WITH TERRORISM.  In fact, that's what Saddam did well - he enforced law and order and kept that shit in check

[Guns N RockMusic]

How is it more dangerous to be an American?? When was the last attack here?? Before we invaded Iraq 3000 people died, on American soil.? None have died here since due to Iraq.? ?Intended or not, all the Islam extremist are flocking to Iraq and it's there they are fighting.? I'd rather fight a proxy war in Iraq then in the streets of America.

Well the latest report from the National Intelligence Estimate says we are less safe and that Iraq has created more terrorists.

I'd take that pretty darn seriously.

I do take it seriously. ?That's why I'm not up in arms or screaming for the ACLU when suspected terrorists or "contacts" are being monitored.

[SLCPUNK]

Show me where GOP officials have discussed this.  If a dictator is installed, it will be by Democrats who will have gained control of congress after tomorrow.

It was in the paper some time ago............

Right.........bring up the Dems, it's all their fault..............even projecting into the future, it is their fault.

[The Dog]

hrm, ok,,,,

iyou guys are going to kill me for saying this, but I beleive that the world was a better, safer, more peaceful place when saddam was in power.  bush has killed several hundreds of thousands more people and has made it dangerous to be an american.

Honestly, for the greater good, I think saddam should be put back in power (he is the only one who has shown he can deal with the mess that is iraq) and bush should be tried for war crimes.

How is it more dangerous to be an American?  When was the last attack here?  Before we invaded Iraq 3000 people died, on American soil.  None have died here since due to Iraq.   Intended or not, all the Islam extremist are flocking to Iraq and it's there they are fighting.  I'd rather fight a proxy war in Iraq then in the streets of America.

Yeah, instead they died OVER THERE! Almost the same amount that died on 9-11. 

[SLCPUNK]

American serviceman exist to defend American people.  They are defending us by keeping the terrorist at bay in Iraq and not in our cities.  Do I want to take a bullet for an Iraqi, fuck no.  But I'll gladly do my service in Iraq to make sure they don't come over here.

They were not there until we got there. The NIE says that too................

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hrm, ok,,,,

iyou guys are going to kill me for saying this, but I beleive that the world was a better, safer, more peaceful place when saddam was in power.  bush has killed several hundreds of thousands more people and has made it dangerous to be an american.

Honestly, for the greater good, I think saddam should be put back in power (he is the only one who has shown he can deal with the mess that is iraq) and bush should be tried for war crimes.

How is it more dangerous to be an American?  When was the last attack here?  Before we invaded Iraq 3000 people died, on American soil.  None have died here since due to Iraq.   Intended or not, all the Islam extremist are flocking to Iraq and it's there they are fighting.  I'd rather fight a proxy war in Iraq then in the streets of America.

Yeah, instead they died OVER THERE! Almost the same amount that died on 9-11. 

actually, more have died in iraq than in 911

[Guns N RockMusic]

Show me where GOP officials have discussed this.? If a dictator is installed, it will be by Democrats who will have gained control of congress after tomorrow.

It was in the paper some time ago............

Right.........bring up the Dems, it's all their fault..............even projecting into the future, it is their fault.

I'm not blaming anyone.  But if a dictator is installed, the Democrats will be in power.  How can I blame Bush, a Republican or anyone else if that course of action takes place.

[SLCPUNK]

actually, more have died in iraq than in 911

Latest study that shows over 600,000 people have died in Iraq since the invasion.

[SLCPUNK]

Show me where GOP officials have discussed this.  If a dictator is installed, it will be by Democrats who will have gained control of congress after tomorrow.

It was in the paper some time ago............

Right.........bring up the Dems, it's all their fault..............even projecting into the future, it is their fault.

I'm not blaming anyone.  But if a dictator is installed, the Democrats will be in power.  How can I blame Bush, a Republican or anyone else if that course of action takes place.

I'm not saying it is going to happen. I'm saying that top officials from the Bush administration have come forward to say that it has been considered since Democracy is simply something that is not going to happen in Iraq.

[Guns N RockMusic]

hrm, ok,,,,

iyou guys are going to kill me for saying this, but I beleive that the world was a better, safer, more peaceful place when saddam was in power.? bush has killed several hundreds of thousands more people and has made it dangerous to be an american.

Honestly, for the greater good, I think saddam should be put back in power (he is the only one who has shown he can deal with the mess that is iraq) and bush should be tried for war crimes.

High ranking officials have said the same thing.

I would not be surprised if the US installs another dictator in there to try and reign the place in again (and that has been discussed as well.)

Show me where GOP officials have discussed this.? If a dictator is installed, it will be by Democrats who will have gained control of congress after tomorrow.

RandallFlagg, I think you're forgetting something here:

We didn't put him in office, he was there long before that. ?It's unfair to use that picture in reference to who installed a dictator. ?Roosevelt met with Stalin, does that mean we supported a murdering, socialist regime?

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actually, more have died in iraq than in 911

Latest study that shows over 600,000 people have died in Iraq since the invasion.

yea, I saw that also, but in terms of actual Americans who have died, I think the number is well over 3000 now (does anyone has the most recent figure?)

[SLCPUNK]

yea, I saw that also, but in terms of actual Americans who have died, I think the number is well over 3000 now (does anyone has the most recent figure?)

Americans.......yea, and about 10,000 that are wounded.

[Guns N RockMusic]

actually, more have died in iraq than in 911

Latest study that shows over 600,000 people have died in Iraq since the invasion.

That study is not conclusive and is an estimate.? I also find it unfair to count the deaths of enemy combatants as a reason to quit.? We're just killing too many of the enemy, it's not fair.? Soon enough there won't be anymore to fight

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hrm, ok,,,,

iyou guys are going to kill me for saying this, but I beleive that the world was a better, safer, more peaceful place when saddam was in power.  bush has killed several hundreds of thousands more people and has made it dangerous to be an american.

Honestly, for the greater good, I think saddam should be put back in power (he is the only one who has shown he can deal with the mess that is iraq) and bush should be tried for war crimes.

High ranking officials have said the same thing.

I would not be surprised if the US installs another dictator in there to try and reign the place in again (and that has been discussed as well.)

Show me where GOP officials have discussed this.  If a dictator is installed, it will be by Democrats who will have gained control of congress after tomorrow.

RandallFlagg, I think you're forgetting something here:

We didn't put him in office, he was there long before that.  It's unfair to use that picture in reference to who installed a dictator.  Roosevelt met with Stalin, does that mean we supported a murdering, socialist regime?

OK, i stand corrected.  we only provided them with arms, gave them tons of monetary support to fight iran, and removed them from our list of states that sponsor terrorosts (1982) 

[SLCPUNK]

That study is not conclusive and is an estimate.  I also find it unfair to count the deaths of enemy combatants as a reason to quit.  We're just killing too many of the enemy, it's not fair.  Soon enough there won't be anymore to fight

The study was overseen by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. I'll take that well over any type of denial you guys are dishing out these days.

[SLCPUNK]

We didn't put him in office, he was there long before that.  It's unfair to use that picture in reference to who installed a dictator.  Roosevelt met with Stalin, does that mean we supported a murdering, socialist regime?

OK, i stand corrected.  we only provided them with arms, gave them tons of monetary support to fight iran, and removed them from our list of states that sponsor terrorosts (1982) 

Of course we supported him. We put him into power and watched him kill the kurds with the gas we provided him.

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That study is not conclusive and is an estimate.  I also find it unfair to count the deaths of enemy combatants as a reason to quit.  We're just killing too many of the enemy, it's not fair.  Soon enough there won't be anymore to fight

The study was overseen by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. I'll take that well over any type of denial you guys are dishing out these days.

RandallFlagg is a master of logic and can disprove any study that doesn't agree with his right wing agenda   

EDIT: and he's especially talented in field outside of his formal academic education

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That study is not conclusive and is an estimate.? I also find it unfair to count the deaths of enemy combatants as a reason to quit.? We're just killing too many of the enemy, it's not fair.? Soon enough there won't be anymore to fight

The study was overseen by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. I'll take that well over any type of denial you guys are dishing out these days.

I'm not denying its merit. ?I'm addressing its numbers. ?It accounts for enemy combatants. ?And the reality remains that it is an estimate based off of polls, not physical body count. ?Don' t kid yourself either. ?It doesn't matter where the study comes from, it backs up your beliefs so you're endorsing it. ?If I found a poll from them that hurt one of your aruments, you'd denounce it.

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Killing too many of the enemy? ?Thise numbers are of the innocent men. women and children killed. ?Bush is a war criminal for this and so are his stooges. ?All this so Haliburton can make big money. ?I truly cannot comprehend how anyone with any reason or logic can still justify this war.

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That study is not conclusive and is an estimate.  I also find it unfair to count the deaths of enemy combatants as a reason to quit.  We're just killing too many of the enemy, it's not fair.  Soon enough there won't be anymore to fight

The study was overseen by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. I'll take that well over any type of denial you guys are dishing out these days.

I'm not denying it's merit.  I'm addressing it's numbers.  It accounts for enemy combatants.  And the reality remains that it is an estimate based off of polls, not physical body count.  Don' t kid yourself either.  It doesn't matter where the study comes from, it backs up your beliefs so you're endorsing it.  If I found a poll from them that hurt one of your aruments, you'd denounce it.

Randall, you do realize that this is an illegal war (geneva convention) started without a rational reason, right?  many of those 'enemy combatants' are trying to defend their fucking country against United States' terrorism.