If Guns go on tour again in the USA with or without CD's release

[jarmo]

There's basically two kinds of fans: those who support the band, through everything, and those who don't.


Many use the quiet times to heckle the band, to put everything down, to ridicule everything including fans who never gave up.

Once things start happening, these fans are all back on board again. Acting like they were supportive all along. "I knew it would happen! Hooray!"


Of course some of them think that, even when things are happening and since things aren't done to their linking, nothing is good enough.

Yet, they are the real fans according to themselves. 





/jarmo

[michaelvincent]

There's basically two kinds of fans: those who support the band, through everything, and those who don't.


Many use the quiet times to heckle the band, to put everything down, to ridicule everything including fans who never gave up.

Once things start happening, these fans are all back on board again. Acting like they were supportive all along. "I knew it would happen! Hooray!"


Of course some of them think that, even when things are happening and since things aren't done to their linking, nothing is good enough.

Yet, they are the real fans according to themselves. 





/jarmo

I'm not trying to be a jerk or act out of line, but this is your site. And it seems to me that if you spend just as much (if not more) time fighting with people who you deem out of line, or not participating in the spirit of what this forum is about, the ban them. It may be unpopular, but you have just as much of a right to enjoy this place as anyone else here, if not moreso. If you don't like the way someone acts, or feel they aren't a 'real' fan then boot them. That's the beauty of having your own forum, you don't have to be fair. 

[jarmo]

Just showing how ridiculous some of these so called fans are.

Everybody knows who the real fans are....

Whining about things you don't know anything about doesn't makes your "more real".



/jarmo

[younggunner]

It saddens me to know that what's it was all about is whether you win or lose in those debates after all.

what you mean?

There's basically two kinds of fans: those who support the band, through everything, and those who don't.


Many use the quiet times to heckle the band, to put everything down, to ridicule everything including fans who never gave up.

Once things start happening, these fans are all back on board again. Acting like they were supportive all along. "I knew it would happen! Hooray!"


Of course some of them think that, even when things are happening and since things aren't done to their linking, nothing is good enough.

Yet, they are the real fans according to themselves. ?

As I have told you countless times...I agree and disagree with you on this subject. I agree that there are two types of fans. I agree that some fans are die hard/casual and the other would be considered front runners. A term most of us are familair with.

Where I disagree with you is when you somehow think that if a die hard fan begins to question certain things about a band or a sports team then they are now frontrunners because when things arent going well they are calling out the band/team on it.

for instance. I am a die hard mets fan. if they are playing bad or have had a few bad seasons in a row most die hards begin to question the players and the organizational decisions. Have you ever heard of WFAN? I dont hear the media or hosts of shows labeling those people who question the team front runners or spoiled? Its part of life. Atleast here in NY it is.

Even when a team is going good there are always questions that need to be asked.
There is nothing wrong with that. And it certainly doesnt make somone a front runner

Now with gnr. I AM a die hard fan. I love Axl and the new band. If you think otherwise your dumb. But in reality when I take off my cheerleading skirt there are certain questions that need to be asked and certains emotions that have changed because of the circumstances. So I guess that makes me a frontrunner because I think that its now 2007 goin on 08 and its crazy that the album isnt in our hands yet. I know we arent owed to it. yada yada yada.

By you censoring the shit out of these boards the past yr or so you have taken the diehards(im not the only one) and made them even more frustrated. You try to make this place come across like theres nothing wrong and if you think there is you say cya. its unreal.

I agree that there are clowns out there who just start trouble and those people need to be escorted out. But for people who have legit questions and concerns they shouldnt be. you then say oh the whining and complaining never stops...you know why? cause you dont let anyone vent! there are no threads on the main board for people to ask legit questions and stuff. You have some obscure thrread that is in a section where no1 cares about. You dont have it shown where the most people visit and talk.

What is wrong with a debate?What is wrong with a discussion? This place used to have all of that. This place was a lot different a few yrs ago. ?A LOT.

 I and many others will always stick by gnr. Some will shurg off all the frustration and some will want to talk about it. The ladder doesnt mean they are front runners or not sticking it thru.

You act like all this stuff doesnt bother you etc. You tell people they need to get a life if they are frustrated. To me thats funny. ?Maybe it doesnt really bother you. We all arent mini celebs like you. We all dont hang out with the band and its employees. If we were Im sure we all would have a btter grip of the situation and would be more passified. But thats not reality. But what is reality is that real fans can question certain things. If you dont think so...you need to come back to us jarmo.

[kollemann]

Another tour in the USA without the CD.....?

[spaghetti_incident]

It saddens me to know that what's it was all about is whether you win or lose in those debates after all.

what you mean?

There's basically two kinds of fans: those who support the band, through everything, and those who don't.


Many use the quiet times to heckle the band, to put everything down, to ridicule everything including fans who never gave up.

Once things start happening, these fans are all back on board again. Acting like they were supportive all along. "I knew it would happen! Hooray!"


Of course some of them think that, even when things are happening and since things aren't done to their linking, nothing is good enough.

Yet, they are the real fans according to themselves. ?

As I have told you countless times...I agree and disagree with you on this subject. I agree that there are two types of fans. I agree that some fans are die hard/casual and the other would be considered front runners. A term most of us are familair with.

Where I disagree with you is when you somehow think that if a die hard fan begins to question certain things about a band or a sports team then they are now frontrunners because when things arent going well they are calling out the band/team on it.

for instance. I am a die hard mets fan. if they are playing bad or have had a few bad seasons in a row most die hards begin to question the players and the organizational decisions. Have you ever heard of WFAN? I dont hear the media or hosts of shows labeling those people who question the team front runners or spoiled? Its part of life. Atleast here in NY it is.

Even when a team is going good there are always questions that need to be asked.
There is nothing wrong with that. And it certainly doesnt make somone a front runner

Now with gnr. I AM a die hard fan. I love Axl and the new band. If you think otherwise your dumb. But in reality when I take off my cheerleading skirt there are certain questions that need to be asked and certains emotions that have changed because of the circumstances. So I guess that makes me a frontrunner because I think that its now 2007 goin on 08 and its crazy that the album isnt in our hands yet. I know we arent owed to it. yada yada yada.

By you censoring the shit out of these boards the past yr or so you have taken the diehards(im not the only one) and made them even more frustrated. You try to make this place come across like theres nothing wrong and if you think there is you say cya. its unreal.

I agree that there are clowns out there who just start trouble and those people need to be escorted out. But for people who have legit questions and concerns they shouldnt be. you then say oh the whining and complaining never stops...you know why? cause you dont let anyone vent! there are no threads on the main board for people to ask legit questions and stuff. You have some obscure thrread that is in a section where no1 cares about. You dont have it shown where the most people visit and talk.

What is wrong with a debate?What is wrong with a discussion? This place used to have all of that. This place was a lot different a few yrs ago. ?A LOT.

 I and many others will always stick by gnr. Some will shurg off all the frustration and some will want to talk about it. The ladder doesnt mean they are front runners or not sticking it thru.

You act like all this stuff doesnt bother you etc. You tell people they need to get a life if they are frustrated. To me thats funny. ?Maybe it doesnt really bother you. We all arent mini celebs like you. We all dont hang out with the band and its employees. If we were Im sure we all would have a btter grip of the situation and would be more passified. But thats not reality. But what is reality is that real fans can question certain things. If you dont think so...you need to come back to us jarmo.

Take your reasoning to pms with Jarmo.

This thread is about a simple question about GNR touring again.

Why must you turn every thread into the same old shit?

We get your point.

Reality is GNR acts their way and some things you just can't question and or shouldn't because it's not going to change anyway so why waste your time stressing over it.

When there is news, we'll get it.

When there is CD release info, we'll hear about it.

Now back on topic and list some cites/staes in the fucking USA that they haven't yet toured in that they could tour in.

[martyngnr]

We will all still go to the gigs. You know it, because live gigs are the only way of hearing new songs right now. Oh yeah and the feeling that if you didn't go and missed something amazing would be awful! GNR are still (slightly) dangerous remember!

Personally i would like to have another tour followed by the new album.

[ibelieveinaxl]

I still don't understand why some people on this board put down others for stating opinions and asking for discussion. It's immature. I mean, this is a discussion/message board to exchange ideas and feelings, etc. If there is only one point of view allowed here, then the board doesn't have much worth. its fair and reasonable to ask questions and voice concerns over things you love. Just because you question something you love, does not mean you are a hater. If your opinion doesnt jive with someone's on this board, you are either banned, deleted, or thrown and buried into some section that no one  looks at....

[spaghetti_incident]

I still don't understand why some people on this board put down others for stating opinions and asking for discussion. It's immature. I mean, this is a discussion/message board to exchange ideas and feelings, etc. If there is only one point of view allowed here, then the board doesn't have much worth. its fair and reasonable to ask questions and voice concerns over things you love. Just because you question something you love, does not mean you are a hater. If your opinion doesnt jive with someone's on this board, you are either banned, deleted, or thrown and buried into some section that one know looks at....

Because it's the same old bullshit spewed back and forth that's why.




Fact is that GNR operate on their clock and not on ours.




Why debate something that has been debated endless amounts of time only to add to your frustration?


I don't get it.


If you were breaking up with someone would you pine over them or make a clean break?


If you pine, then you can't move forward.


Just accept that fact that GNR act on their own time frame and they will give us the news we have all been waiting for when they fucking are ready to.

It's that simple.

[younggunner]

Take your reasoning to pms with Jarmo.

This thread is about a simple question about GNR touring again.

Why must you turn every thread into the same old shit?

We get your point.

Reality is GNR acts their way and some things you just can't question and or shouldn't because it's not going to change anyway so why waste your time stressing over it.

When there is news, we'll get it.

When there is CD release info, we'll hear about it.

Now back on topic and list some cites/staes in the fucking USA that they haven't yet toured in that they could tour in.

um Jarmo was the one who brought up the whole fan thing. Stop trying to be a Mod. we dont need another one there are plenty around here...

back on topic.

I think GNR could play at the Nassau Collesium in LI. They have not played there. I also dont think they have played all of Texas and Florida. They even can play in the new arena that was just built in Newark. There are plenty of places GNR can still play before releasing the album. I wouldnt worry about forming a list. We should delegate that to the haters who need to get a life back. It will give them something to do on a nice sunny day...You dont need to be doing that.

Whats great about Gnr is that they want to make sure that everyone sees them live before they release the album. And thats why they are really a fan friendly band.

[Oh My Choking Soul]

There's basically two kinds of fans: those who support the band, through everything, and those who don't.

No offense Jarmo, but says you. Like it or not, there are fans that may veer outside of your black and white vision of the GN'R world.

P.S.
I like what you do here Jarmo, but I really have to respectfully disagree on that last point. Maybe, I should just stay out of it.

[spaghetti_incident]

Take your reasoning to pms with Jarmo.

This thread is about a simple question about GNR touring again.

Why must you turn every thread into the same old shit?

We get your point.

Reality is GNR acts their way and some things you just can't question and or shouldn't because it's not going to change anyway so why waste your time stressing over it.

When there is news, we'll get it.

When there is CD release info, we'll hear about it.

Now back on topic and list some cites/staes in the fucking USA that they haven't yet toured in that they could tour in.

um Jarmo was the one who brought up the whole fan thing. Stop trying to be a Mod. we dont need another one there are plenty around here...

back on topic.

I think GNR could play at the Nassau Collesium in LI. They have not played there. I also dont think they have played all of Texas and Florida. They even can play in the new arena that was just built in Newark. There are plenty of places GNR can still play before releasing the album. I wouldnt worry about forming a list. We should delegate that to the haters who need to get a life back. It will give them something to do on a nice sunny day...You dont need to be doing that.

Whats great about Gnr is that they want to make sure that everyone sees them live before they release the album. And thats why they are really a fan friendly band.

Not trying to be a mod dude.

Trying to keep a good thread from being deleted due to your constant whining about the same old shit over and over again.

I think they haven't played Atlanta, Georgia.

[younggunner]

Why debate something that has been debated endless amounts of time only to add to your frustration?

your right!why debate or analyze why the album isnt out when you can

Now back on topic and list some cites/staes in the fucking USA that they haven't yet toured in that they could tour in

 

[Ali]

I still don't understand why some people on this board put down others for stating opinions and asking for discussion. It's immature. I mean, this is a discussion/message board to exchange ideas and feelings, etc. If there is only one point of view allowed here, then the board doesn't have much worth. its fair and reasonable to ask questions and voice concerns over things you love. Just because you question something you love, does not mean you are a hater. If your opinion doesnt jive with someone's on this board, you are either banned, deleted, or thrown and buried into some section that one know looks at....

Because it's the same old bullshit spewed back and forth that's why.




Fact is that GNR operate on their clock and not on ours.




Why debate something that has been debated endless amounts of time only to add to your frustration?


I don't get it.


If you were breaking up with someone would you pine over them or make a clean break?


If you pine, then you can't move forward.


Just accept that fact that GNR act on their own time frame and they will give us the news we have all been waiting for when they fucking are ready to.

It's that simple.

I agree 100%. ?Exchanging ideas and having a discussion is one thing, bitching, pissing and moaning are all yet another. ?They are not one and the same. ?This is a discussion board, not a pissing and moaning board. ?Things will happen when things are ready to happen. ?Pissing and moaning about it won't make anything happen any faster.

Ali

[jarmo]

By you censoring the shit out of these boards the past yr or so you have taken the diehards(im not the only one) and made them even more frustrated. You try to make this place come across like theres nothing wrong and if you think there is you say cya. its unreal.

Unreal? Not at all.

I just don't need to read posts by a group of people who think they know how things should be done when in fact they don't have the slightest idea of what's going on.

The band can't do this, the band can't do that.

Says who?

You're not the one deciding what GN'R is or what it should be.

Then when there's an update from the band, these same people are pointing out that it wasn't what they wanted to hear.


I can't relate to all the bullshit that comes fro your frustration.

I wonder how empty you'll feel once it's out. All that anger, frustration and whatever else you're feeling will be gone. You can't be pissed off about it not being out, so then what?

Are you suddenly gonna learn how to be happy?

What is wrong with a debate?What is wrong with a discussion? This place used to have all of that.

What exactly is it that you wanna discuss?

You haven't been into discussing lately. Instead your discussions are all about how much the band sucks and the album has to be out now.

This place was a lot different a few yrs ago.  A LOT.

Yeah, and GN'R didn't used to tour or play new songs a few years ago.

You act like all this stuff doesnt bother you etc. You tell people they need to get a life if they are frustrated. To me thats funny.  Maybe it doesnt really bother you. We all arent mini celebs like you. We all dont hang out with the band and its employees. If we were Im sure we all would have a btter grip of the situation and would be more passified. But thats not reality. But what is reality is that real fans can question certain things. If you dont think so...you need to come back to us jarmo.

Back to us?

What the fuck are you talking about?

I still don't understand why some people on this board put down others for stating opinions and asking for discussion. It's immature. I mean, this is a discussion/message board to exchange ideas and feelings, etc. If there is only one point of view allowed here, then the board doesn't have much worth. its fair and reasonable to ask questions and voice concerns over things you love. Just because you question something you love, does not mean you are a hater. If your opinion doesnt jive with someone's on this board, you are either banned, deleted, or thrown and buried into some section that no one  looks at....

You bet.

I don't really need to have some guy posting "I've waited 16 years" in every other thread.

Then when we put it in Dead Horse, it's "nobody will read it there!  ".

Oh really?

Maybe it's because we've read that same shit for years now!


Maybe you two can go post in the Dead Horse section and discuss the situation? Be my guest. 

Now back on topic and list some cites/staes in the fucking USA that they haven't yet toured in that they could tour in.

Many bands tour without having hit albums or hit singles.

I don't think it would be impossible to play in L.A. or NYC just because the album isn't out etc...




/jarmo

[Ali]

There's basically two kinds of fans: those who support the band, through everything, and those who don't.

No offense Jarmo, but says you. Like it or not, there are fans that may veer outside of your black and white vision of the GN'R world.

P.S.
I like what you do here Jarmo, but I really have to respectfully disagree on that last point. Maybe, I should just stay out of it.

Actually, I think that is accurate. ?Either you support the band through thick and thin or you support them conditionally. ?Supporting them through thick and thin does not mean agreeing with everything they do or say. ?I think that covers all territory right there.

Ali

[jarmo]

There's basically two kinds of fans: those who support the band, through everything, and those who don't.

No offense Jarmo, but says you. Like it or not, there are fans that may veer outside of your black and white vision of the GN'R world.

P.S.
I like what you do here Jarmo, but I really have to respectfully disagree on that last point. Maybe, I should just stay out of it.

Of course.

There's always more casual fans.


I'm talking about people who either consider themselves real fans or who outsiders would consider real fans.


I'm not saying the fans can't have opinions or offer constructive criticism.

The difference between many fans is that some just like to whine about shit they know nothing about.


Others know that since they don't know the full story or know how to solve the issue, it's kinda pointless to whine about it.




/jarmo

[younggunner]

You're not the one deciding what GN'R is or what it should be.

Never said I was or should be...in fact I dont even think Axl has the answer to that one yet.

Then when there's an update from the band, these same people are pointing out that it wasn't what they wanted to hear.

Because people want an album release. People want to know why there hasnt been an update since the last update. Even Axl said if things change he would update us. Obiviously things have changed....but no follow up...but I guess thats too much to ask

I wonder how empty you'll feel once it's out. All that anger, frustration and whatever else you're feeling will be gone. You can't be pissed off about it not being out, so then what?

Ill be rockin out to what will probably be one of the greatest albums ever. And Ill also come on here to discuss the songs and lyrics.

Yeah, and GN'R didn't used to tour or play new songs a few years ago.

Most of us thought that 2000-2005ish was all part of a plan or a base for the launch. As it turned out we were wrong.

Back to us?

What the fuck are you talking about?

We all arent hangin and travelling with the band. And by no means do I think you dont desrve that. You do. You have a great site and have kept the gnr fan interest goin all these yrs. So imo you deserve any "reward" you get. But what Im saying is that you are on a different level than most fans. You might have or know news or plans or have a rough idea of whats goin on whereas the avgfan doesnt. Your placated. You have enough on your plate

I don't think it would be impossible to play in L.A. or NYC just because the album isn't out etc...

its not impossible. They can play wherever and whenever they want.

[the dirt]

There's basically two kinds of fans: those who support the band, through everything, and those who don't.

There are fans who support certain things and dissaprove of others. In the end they are no less of a fan and don't agree with some things because they are fans who want the best for the band.

[kaasupoltin]

...I mean, this is a discussion/message board to exchange ideas and feelings, etc. If there is only one point of view allowed here, then the board doesn't have much worth.

Amen to that!

There's basically two kinds of fans: those who support the band, through everything, and those who don't.

There are fans who support certain things and dissaprove of others. In the end they are no less of a fan and don't agree with some things because they are fans who want the best for the band.

Exactly, everything isn't that black and white. Well said!